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I did ur run

ss0 liv so huge 
nahh, it's lux score 
Me safe with 2s3
this paking blue dot gonna flash forever on this garbo babylonia mode? 
@buoyant hornet I need that 232 void
the chests in the babylonia thing have yellow tix and ht mats
322 was cw was 630 was smthing much i remeywith cw 

Is he fr chat
This cannot be real
yes
wut peak 222 liffu
i played it for about 5 seconds and that's what i did
i walked around for 3 feet, opened a chest, and then left
pak dat, I won't subject myself to this zero optimization walking simulator for some measly cards 
He says 6.7
7.3 should be but better zone need
High reso+ ss cub
Yeah zero optimization so heavy
nuke invest


ye, a whole 10 cards per chest
kuso so generous 
why not 100

But ht mats tho
DF Liv set is kinda expensive isn't it
PPC set too maybe
Damn that was good. I have similar invest too😭biggest pain in the ass would be rearranging memories and resonances

nahh, me better save my poor laptop from this, it's gonna burn after only 5 minutes just standing in there 
20 retries for this

Oh wait
Was that legend?
Dont rember need to see again
Damn
he grandpa, eyesight is bad at that age, please forgib 
what are phylotree characters?
fomo characters
Wait how much reso again is that
222?
Exclusive characters who (with their weapon and cub) only return in future phylotrer banners
Not part of standard pool
dalao teach hax
Oh sure thing I think I recorded one
there is a 322 in the video title, must be right 
💀
R3 can guesscw also pillar so
But R2 should be enough incan super meh rarely changes things
Nana also don't need dlt for swap
yeah there's about 30 chests and they contain 10-20 yellow tix + 25-35 blue and yellow ht mat
not worth it
Damn
idk why they didn't do their pgr thing and just slap some missions
I thought they're gonna make mithpicking chestpicking op in the openworld Babylonia
Wuwa is the only Kuro game fr
casual demograhic is most likely loving it
Oh it's one time?
theu getting ready for the ultimate plot wuwa x pgr
lootmapper is for cowards
I'mma let that sht rott in dust until I forget even pgr exists
At least give us weapon reso shard drop that reset every week smh 
Something worthy to hassle
how the fruit can you find all of these in just 30 minutes? 
I am just glad that we got a little more hypertune mats. That sht is rarer than pull currency
That "more" is doing massive lifting

more is a massive overstatement

Massive?
don't do it 
What does one even do in that game mode
i don't know, as aforementioned i spent 5 seconds in it
lmaooo
I played 2 quests
one was about lucia wedding
other was walking simulator
walk from point A to point B, exchange the letters with the whole alphabet from all languages
that's the full content there
so it's like dorm hangout events
idk man, a lot of people like it
me included
really fun feature
explain fun
cog is back only to troll 
i get to interact with my favourite constructs, play that coffee game, see babylonia for what it is
like ts is really damn pretty
and the interactions are nice too
i get that we should complain about things being bad and all but
this is just hating for no reason imo
nothing of the sort
but the dorm is failure
the only thing you can do is run errands for your constructs

babylonia is what the dorm shouldve been tbh but, ehh idm
if I wanted to play coffee minigames and interact with my favorite constructs, I'd play a flash game from 2006 and click on lucia in the main menu
old times, old tech and old engine
yeah the optimization is doodoo
but i believe it can be better
and its good as is
the "interaction" is an illusion. there is no true interaction
god you must be. so fun at parties
can you take constructs on a date? can you ask them a buttload of questions? can you hangout with them?
there are like 6 characters in babylonia 
and they stand in 1 place staring at you 24/7
there is a reason I don't play all these overrated walking simulators ("open world")
I don't have time for all that walking for 783972647815 lightyears, I didn't sign up for this
if I wanted to have fun interacting with my characters I'd play ZZZ
then go ahead?
they actually executed that well, it's literally you and a character going on a hangout
yall are asking for way too much on something that just came out
and them forcing me to do that for measly things like 10 cards? haha... no. just no 
i mean no one is forcing you to do anything
if story becomes an open world id kiwi 
thats the whole point of giving little rewards
something that, let's say took 3 years to came out
so you dont feel forced to do it
we don't actually know when they began developing it
we do know when they had to start all over
but I do feel forced cuz that paking blue dot never stops blinking 
when they announced it a year ago
wasnt it announced on 5th anniv
start over? what
yea
they announced it on the 5th anniv, everyone didnt like it and they announced they are revamping the entire thing from the ground up
your argument of "we shouldn't be hard on them" is like when you receive microwaved food at a 3 star restaurant and then go "ah it's fine the chef must be having a bad day"
my argument here is that this is good enough
not that we shouldn't be hard on them
entirely two different things
clearly you are eating kuro's ass
or any game developer that does sloppy content update
talk to me when youve seen all of my other complaints about the game
pretty far from a bootlicker 
Guys
instead of making 3d babylonia they could've revamped the UI for all platforms, since it's still far from ideal
i literally study and work in game dev dawg
so that makes you a professional judge of all game updates?
ahh yeah then instead of focusing on pgr they should just kill it and instead focus on wuwa bc this game can never be good
lets not focus on the thing everybody wanted since dorm came out
and revamp the ui again


type sht
no, that makes me able to understand their decisions and make my own conclusion
through a lens that not many people have
that doesnt make me right; that makes me able to understand
then perhaps you can explain why this is a good decision since
- new player retention is still bad
- many people kiwi'd in the last 2-3 months

dawg babylonia got nothing to do with allat 
you were just talking about the game being dead compared to wuwa
the game is still bad in other areas
it has everything to do with it because it's affecting the game's lifespan

Do my light

do my df
please pgr 2 when
how the hell did i get slightly lower score with solo liv than someone with an sss liv and nana

me no more opening game until fire boss
casual
wow drama
If I see you post a wz screenshot tomorrow
Ur gone
mostly cn
and even if they're twittards, they are, at the end of the day, players

man
me too until the next glacio boss 
that doesnt devalue their decision or opinion at all
my shoulder still hurts after malding
Do I farm Watanabe now from SS -> SSS? 
time for nihil
so you're saying the most competitive region was waiting for a walking simulator which many other gachas already had perfected
Assuming his life span lasts until after alpha
rest
the most competitive region is also the one with the biggest amount of players man
not everyone who plays this game malds
surely you know that
chinese players outrage over some skins being too revealing and literally cancel companies
are you trying to tell me the same people are in awe of the 0.1 alpha pre-release dorm?
does sss wata get fieldtime in nihil
because compared to the one they were teased before, it was hot ass
Yes
1 full rot?
and this is coming out of a game where a 'walking sim' feature wasn't even intended to exist
Full ult if you can fit it in
so we go back to my first point: it's an illusion
they released a shtty dorm, people didn't like it, and now they released something that resembles what people like so it's all good
4 alph 4 dv?
Yes
do you think everything is a conspiracy
you said earlier you are a game dev
surely you know what's good for a company and what's not
this is not even close to a conspiracy
companies deliberately release bad stuff just so the good stuff (which is half-assed) are praised excessively
unless the community is not braindead and sees through the bs
yeahhh sure bro
im not even gonna argue if you think thats what actually happens
good luck man
that is very real, if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy
idk bro who works in game dev here
lmao 0/10 ragebait
game development and marketing are 2 different sides

the people who create something aren't the people who call the shots
That's allotta text
yeah and im sure marketing ai generated everything about the old babylonia
to sell
now you're putting words into my mouth, try again 1/10
and yet you ask me if i know whats good for a company or not
Hi guys, what's the mem on Vera on fire if unc is the davinci holder?
Shakespeare and?
4 shake 4 cottie
yeah I'd expect you to have your own consciousness and capability to think for yourself and not just "ooga booga good game developers"
just like how you did with mine? oh wow crazy that you're triggered over what you did the entire time
So there's no eins and guin holder in fire team?
When talking about investments, what does stuff like 232 113 mean
suddenly i dont have a conciousness when i agree with what the devs do 
yeah man
you can put pyros harmo on eins but only in specific zones
we all gotta be deviants
dont quote me on this
hate kuso or you're not one of the good guys
and you're a bootlicker
i know how game dev works, i know they worked their ass off for this
and you have clearly denied that outright
I agree with this
usually fire
what else do i gotta say man
whatever makes you feel good
i aint arguing over someone who whips out everything out they ass
was it in mobs or boss zones
could say the same thing to you buddy
probably mob, I haven't seen this detail specifically

like bro. i dont even know far you're stuck up in your own reality
when ive told you this isnt the case
since its a waste of money and resources
but uh
ok but can yall stop arguing before some mod comes and smite you
marketing and HR tends to waste resources because their head is so far up their own ahh that they don't even stop to think for a moment what the people want. they just make their bogus charts of profit and give the developers/engineers a plan that they think is good
they cant and dont make two seperate versions of babylonia. why would they
I see. Thanks. eugh i need to change my vera build again 
...i think you vastly underestimate how easy it is to code
what do i have to lose
im a man with nothing to lose rn

no I'm 100% real with you, this is literally how it is. they don't care about the difficulty of developing or planning. if they say something it must be done
the only time it's different is when a company's manager is actively looking at feedback and, yk, doing things that are based on said feedback
Steam is a great example
but if you still want to debate this let's take it to DMs
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hr and marketing dont call the shots.
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how is hr involved with this???
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pr handles feedback, not hr
im not in the mood to go into another echo chamber
you are still proving my point btw
the one calling the shots are the execs and/or hod
marketing takes whatever is available and makes it into content
if pr isn't handling it, they have a marketing and communications team (marcom) to handle it
aight suit yourself
i know, but this is way too much fun to stop
shhh ur ruining the popcorn
im amazed to see how someone can be so far up their own reality
both of you are cringe as hell
luna doesnt need dlt right
not with leap
since hold ult eats her orbs
luna genuine r0 character now
my queen
ga doesn't really work with her new rot, ml is kinda whatever in wz
shes already passed her expiry date
void attacker soon 
annihilator is just a meme
Vonnegut void
if she is past her expiry date
what is daren
Teased alpha releases in 3 years
her prime
whos alpha
What is this slander
virgil's daughter
Does sss liv do 2 ult per swap?
If Daren is still around next april fools, it'll be a good opportunity to annnounce the new dark tank as another Karenina
that dante dck mustve been good huh
What
who else would he fck 
What
what

her hold ult isn't affected by ga reso lmao
just r3 and use all 3 attacker reso at once 
huge +100k score
my nihil is so bald
nobody has a cub
by some turn of events everyone ended up using lingya


df should be better at same invest i think
but i'm not super familiar with ss3 selena
what builds
bath cottie, alphonse dv, guin eins cottie
Hai I need rotation guide on 2.332.3 df and ln
what is teddy class and ele?
ice amp 
fr?
Yea
Qu is gonna be gone first
Also teddy is ice/ray so finally bianca's ray have a use
true
how many ults with liv in df
How many do you think
infinite
Go ahead
ok
damn, glacio doesnt score higher?
though their glacio is actually at a slightly lower invest cause alisa isnt 3s
Yeah alisa not 3s kinda bricked 
I mean depends what you mean by same invest
considering i have to deal with watanabe, vassago, and alpha again
maybe would be different on a different week, idk, but rn that is the case
Yeah I dnt even try cuz glac in my acc better
hurricanes is a banger
anyway i had a lot of fun with df
duo glacio can score 11m
And i have both ss3 attacker
I score 11.2m since hero score bricked legend can commit 12m

Duo glacio is Selena and SSS Alisa with sig?
duo as in zone

No it mean duo enemies
2 mobs in a wave

alpha on df is so cringe

i wanna kill that stupid woman so badly
you're right that is worse
skipped dante and vera 
so burn is nonexistence on my acc
at least your brain wont be fried running in that abysmal stage
glad to hear 
wym
i ion wanna mald
Who's that
some fraud
Figured
alpha
Oh
4 patton 2 cottie
thx cottie goes bottom right?
yes
thanks really appreciate it
is there now a new source for knowing builds and stuff or gotta ask people ?
no
Setsu's sheet but he ain't put A rank builds innit
ah daam the bot was a luxury that we all took for granted ngl xD
Who
fraudmael
So slap Daren instead then? 
Alpa wym she's the wz bricker

Im supposed to kill 2 wave her and 1 gear in first vid, since in 2nd vid she's decided to do some motivation bs dodge i only kill her minus 1 wave
At this point alpha and vassago can bricked any team in wz
So Midianca's 2nd name is alpha huh 
do i do 2 vera > 2 liv and repeat in df
Did you do dark team on darkflow? 
Nu this dark wz long time ago
i just want to show how alpha can dodge dmg in every wz

between 3s geiravor and 3s crepe, which one better to get ?
Both 
all 3
In a vacuum, crepe stronger gain
But Vera key unit on 2 meta team
While crepe only exist as plasmabeam alternative next patch with Teddy
gib me money
me brokey
With SSS capsule, u can justify 4dv Lilith in the future
yeah i think im gonna go with crepe
id say that vera has longer lifespan
if new dark tank release (if kuro have balls), crepe might have more field time than lilith
If can only SSS one unit, go with favorite waifu
So you dont regret even if got powercrepes
lowkey regret getting lamia sfx skin on rerun
Vera is used in 4 teams rn

While Walter is in 2
And below SSS, capsule might get kicked out of team ngl
New dark tank + Lilith + off ele amp 
rosetta gon kick her out
midianca until SSS
ohh damn u actually right
cant even kill a single wave on wave 15~
Hmmm

Even now 4DV Lilith scores better in some zone
With SSS capsule
The @glaciogod has many dark run with various memo setups
Very Dejavu
big melon tho
what about the 25k BC I spent on her
Spent more 
Give me a refund if she's getting benched because of Rosetta 
Or you know, Bianca 2cottie
Just ult fast (4sec) swap again for off field + qtw nuke 
my biggest regret on my account is pulling lamia
Surely gives better buffs than an extra amp 
Got her in 10 pullz 
had sig r1, never even used her
Lobby decoration
At least shes unique, the only feesh in pgr
Capsule design too generic ngl
Ye too many clankers, need a bit of fresh feesh sometimes 
does lim even use 4poin?
Create ur own zaza 
I remember back when lamia solo carried my acc 
how do i efficiently do the 2nd rot on lim df?
What do you mean efficiently
How many blue orbs do you have on second ult
Its 5
I'll save the hassle for you
You're supposed to have 6
But you're either doing the sp delay tech or the 2×3p dodge 3p
Or ur not on sig
idk bro i just started playing df 20 minutes ago
4bath 4cot
how different is liv rotation when in darkflow team?
is it the same rot as in lightning?
u mean as in rots?
Or full-fast depending on invest ig.. like if u have a billion resos
can i get a link? of a video
Yea full ult fast ult
What’s ur invest
sss
Everything?
just liv
Hmm
other ss
Oh ok lemme find u
dark team i have ss vera ssswata
Oh u need light rot too?
Ur inv kinda weird for light ngl idk abt that one but df u can check empress
no, only darkflow
They have S+ all but rot should be same
SSS+ you sure same?
sorry for the absence, im back to mald the god week.
SSS0 Liv Limpidity R2 S cub | 4 Bathlon 4 Cottie (6 Core)
SSS0 Watanabe Epitaph R2 SS cub | 4 Alphonse 4 Davinci
SS3 Vera Geiravor R3 SS cub | 4 Guinevere 2 Cottie 2 Einstena
Azlao save us all
See? Theres always zaza out there 
hoiw much darkflow stacks does liv consumes in 1 rot?
Azriel just doesn't miss with the thumbnails
10 stacks
She needs 10 minimum else she deals lightning dmg
Then she refunds 6 stacks after long ult iirc, so max 15 stacks is enough for 2x Liv ult
then can she do 2 ult rots in darkflow? been trying and cant seem to get 20 dark stacks
15 max darkflow bro
2x ult possible cuz theres refund
1x full ult Vera gives 15 stacks instantly
Just follow that video above anyway, already at ur invests
U do ur warzone. Dont wait till 1hr before closing 
Or I guess thats ur aim huh
Im lesser than you. How can I pilot lol

Needs more


quick question, can i save the blue banner selection for later?
have all the units i want and wanna know if i can save it to skip a unit and get em later
my Fluctuation level is too high

Skill issue 



No eng va for no one 
Tencent probably gave kuro more money
halo me start punish grayraven 3 days ago which one is gooder rosettar: igor or hanying: solatune
how to play Liv in lightning?
whats her rotation?
every gacha game studio becoming worse and worse after making a mainstream gacha game by copying hoyo formula
What invest
SSS, might need to change her build she has sig mem
what the hell is he talking about SS0 liv outperforms SSS0 cw
Full sss team?
SSS Liv SSS nana SS3 Ishmael
It's true thoi think it was SS0=SSS3 much o remember
i got SS 21 but i m thinking she is useless
Wait writing
my limpidity is SS0 5* S cub and dont have correct memory resonances, no hypertune and it deals more damage than my SSS0 6* r3 SSS cub WITH mdps build cw

all this and forgot to type cw 💔
liv is heisen and cottie right
with atk + core at SSS
Nat is fine
For warzone
Better a bit much sss players talking
For tankier endings
Ult reso
hmmmm
And attack
atk top ult bottom?
Yes
It works. Just misunderstand the wording
Its just Livs ult dmg isnt good
But SSS ult dmg got buffed
So the difference is reduced
Just go with whats already built left
Like nuke said its still fine
Double ult stat
First swap
Swap hold dodge-ult1-hold dodge-ult2-swapout
2nd and followup repet
Swap-HD-Ult1-blue-Holddodge-Ul2
3p-dodge-3p-3p-ult1-blue-white spam-HBA-Ult2-swap out
Ish inputs are
RYRRDD
If ult 2 got do it
From 2nd ish swap
Nana roations one quick one long
#pgr #pgr_cn #punishinggrayraven #퍼니싱 #퍼니싱그레이레이븐 #ishmael
Blue before ult 2 for first swap gives a bit more ult stack can do that as well
First rot
this is for Liv?
Yes
so the one who goes first is Ish then i swap to Liv
i saw this guy doing a 3p blue after ult1 on liv tho
for liv darkflow i go 4 bath 4 cottie ?
yes
alright thanks
Not understand which part?
timestap
right at the start
got this
yeah i learned it later
sorry couldnt say it before
scire
SHE STARTED INVADING YOUR WORDS AS WELL
*score 
she a true chinese wuxia immortal

should i remove DLT?
Dlt don't need yes
what to replace it with?
Ml only option left
i dont think Machine Learning would do great here, but ok
Machine Learning 

ok i can definitely do upto wave 40(hero)
what should be the mems on Ishmael @noble zinc ?
Vinci 4guin or 2guin 2 ein
It's hero so 4 guin you go
Vinci?
Da vinci
i was going around with this lol

and what of her weapon resos?

SAR?
Super conduct axial ray
she got this rn

you got this Nuke 
4 da vinci and 4 guin?
For hero yes
btw
Liv's reso's were Atk + ult right
ill have to redo hers as well
i had core on her
Yea sss ult better
Last zone it was*
If don't want to min max it's fine can save resources

on Ishmael
is guin the one i harmony on
or do i do it on da vinci?
other what?

@noble zinc thank you
can i get higher than this
so now
HOW DO I PLAY DARKFLOW WITH LIV AND EVERYONE ELSE?
My 2s3 team is 9.7 yeah you can more
3s liv alone gives like 4m+ jump
Solo go
Wave 55 you can prob cross
easy mode or hard mode?
ok i've been trying nana cottie with 2s3 team for a while now and it seems worse
hmmm maybe it might be worth to SSS Ishmael as well
you FK whel anyway yeah
easy mode
well i dropped WW
Wait
ok
No sp delays used. I don't think I'll bother learning that for wz-spam (only for PPC) mald. The score could be better; I'll revisit it when I'm bored.
SSS+ Liv R3 - DLT/Afterglow/Incand - 4Bath/4Cottie - 6Atk/6Ult
SSS+ Wata R3 - Corro/Matrix/Incand - 4Sig/4Dv - 6Red/6Class
SSS+ Vera R3 - Ray/Glorious/DLT - 4Guin/2Eins/2Cottie - 6Atk/3Ult/3Clas...
Classic long ult for liv i guess you know
That's only we do
everyone else is gonna be seething lmao
Fk whel
10 stack I think was min for going into df state can just copy the process
Hold ult for vera wata both need
How r u 11m without knowing how liv works
can you please write their rot?
SSS gang
💀
Doing
by following the rotation nuke gave me
That’s actually crazy
thanks
He casul malder it's fine 
Im almost 9m from ss3 nuke rot too

and dealing with react native makes me want to
😂😂
I feel that

i was just a happy Android and iOS dev
And I travel for work
who knew flutter
I want to 💀
came in here
'here have this 4 year old react native project as your first job'
'please update all of it to latest version'
there are no direct replacement alternatives...................
then onto next one for suffeering
Nope then I study
until AI just takes all the jobs away
AI will take it away dont worry
all the programmers and excel managers and accountants are gonna be obsolete anyway
true
once AI becomes better, all programming jobs gone
dwag once AGI comes
We still write code for data processing
programmers are no longer needed
Even tho technically ai can alr do it all
AI can do all code and evolve by itself
AGI is like
The boogeyman
They keep talking abt it
Idt it happens anyyyy time soon
i give it until 2040
nah its gonna be earlier than that
honestly thinking of learning generative AI and backend stuff
then jump onto Machine Learning
yet here u are malding lightning warzone
@noble zinc you done wiht darkflow rot bro?
bro i get like 2 days off
lemme live a little
Wata
Hold ult- BA-holddodge-red blaze parry
-ult2
Consume ult stack as per need-ult2
for vera same as fire rot
-just hold ult
Liv double long do
First rot
First swap-HD-Ult1-blue-whitespam-ult2
2nd
3p-dodge-3p-3p-ult1-blue-WHitespam-ult2
end
3p-Dodhe-3p-3p-swap out to next chr after ult1 prep done
Process that video can use for now
dodhe
Oi oi you got any acc with SS3 wata for df
thanks
22.32
R3 vera

🐳
Works
alright
i start with Wata then?
Wait
Fk whel
sorry i m only interested in fictional 2d women
Me but men
so i wont Fk a whel
I mean wha-
Navily video need to refer can't find rn 
Later will give when he comes back
22.32 121 EncoreWheeze
oh i forgot to ask btw
what are the dark flow builds for all these characters
like mems, reso and wep resos and harmony
What was the first affix to exist
I love that ur pronouns are dps/tank🤣🤣🤣
disruption
no have and hero
uhhh
me no understand
ig ill do the rest of them tomorrow
fake affix 
Guin vera he got then?
coins enough for build 260k bath
Don't need it's fine 
then burn 
but as an actual team true slash came first
dv vera as "main" 
ein main set not built?
2pc
can build if want
harmo alrdy got ein and guin

i've never got called out so hard
Still fine
priorities

Maifu > Weta
why you became so whel? 
||or is this one of the 838967 billion accounts you pilot?
||
He full whel now
Fk whel


whale
460m cogs
ban the pilots! 
... 67
Working over time so difficult 
pilots 
Can reso swap Lilith ein memo?
Seems he don't have enough hyper mats
sure
Better this work
why lamia cub 
Pyro took everything 

he too broke pyro on fate all 90
How do I but leap mats

Wata not leaped
Yea war shop seems need to use
ye use it

223
is it worth getting the new liv? What does her team look like
@noble zinc how do you skip the whole 'hold blue orb' when playing Bainca?
you dont
i m gonna have to waste time in PPC
by holding blue orb?
that sucks
its still pretty fast
bonka delete boss
if you do a second ult you can hold basic instead of hold blue
faster
its too slow even that way
just ult without blue
cottie and dlt
i got those
Do you have nanami startrail
what are you doing
ye
extremely slow kill then
probably will max out Bianca to SSS after this month
she's ss0
Liv is paired with nanami and feral/ishmael for lightning, and for darkflow she's wiith geiravor and epitaph
she's worth it? But ye I got all 4
your hell score should be like 16s maximum
Well at ss0 she's really mediocre in lightning until we get a new lightning amp
right, what about dark flow?
where yo lilick
Darkflow is really strong but how good it is does depending on whether you have sss watanabe and also wants Vera to be r2 or r3 preferrably
But the most important aspect is sss wata
alright thank you
These are my runs with ss0 ish, ss0 bianca and sss r2 lilith https://youtu.be/znYRcuxSlO0
Note: On the start of Chaos/Hell, it's important to quickly input 2x 3ping blue orbs before ult 1 in order to activate Lingya's active skill for the 8% buff to Bianca
Chaos can get the same score (14s) with the same team used in Knight run, but it demands perfect timing and execution and the Bianca run is much easier.
00:00 Builds
00:04 Knight...
Ofc your kill times should absolutely be faster than mine on chaos and hell especially
is ss3 r1 bianca better than sss r3 lilick for primal
Actually here's a video with ss3 bianca https://youtu.be/P-mP6BGIWTo?si=-BC2LfZ-1v6FX2Hy
No they work together
Bianca does a quick ult for damage and to set up her off field dmg ticks + qte nuke, lilith handles the rest
but my ish is on overseer 
Bianca goes 4bathlon 2cottie 2darwin here
It can work without ish, the 2nd video I linked was without her
Although ish makes things smoother and can give better runs overall
luna zaza with wata
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