📨・meta-help

[orchid owl]

otherwise you get punished, anything off element is 0.2x damage iirc

[noble zinc]

Hold dodge-
Or blue- hold dodge after getting into ult1

[orchid owl]

well yes you could
if you also get her weapon, and her to SS0

[sick flower]

huh

can you show me it ingame

[orchid owl]

and her proper memory set, resonated and hypertuned preferably

[wraith spruce]

getting her to ss0 will be a challenge but i think i could get the weapon

[orchid owl]

that's the bare minimum for war zone runs
if you want to compete

[noble zinc]

https://youtu.be/auUxYWMsenk
Inputs given

[orchid owl]

phantom pain cage gives you skulls to use to buy shards to SS characters for free

[wraith spruce]

yeah ive been using them on vera lol

[young badge]

have ref for ss0 liffu with 3s nana?

[noble zinc]

none

[young badge]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-gif-27544204

[warped axle]

metaslaves assuming u have ss3 liv is crazy now

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao raydiance is garbage in beta rn

[simple dew]

get ss3 liv or

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311311759629353020/1438047924679479468/cat-brick.gif

[buoyant hornet]

Teddy is garbage at her own affix in v1

[warped axle]

Bianca is supposed to be DPS anyways

how's she doin in Ice?

[young badge]

garbage

both garbage

ice raydiance

the only good thing is prob the insta 20 raydiance stack

[warped axle]

👀

[buoyant hornet]

That doesn't mean the other members should do negative damage

That's the literaly reason plasma is now aging badly

Only lucia does damage and everything else is filler time

[warped axle]

wdym garbage? how do she compare to others?

[buoyant hornet]

Bad

[near yoke]

it should be like burn, where everyone can do dmg

[buoyant hornet]

Horrible damage distribution

Her ult2 is strong but everything else before it is bad she just constantly ends up overkilling

[warped axle]

this is SS0?

[buoyant hornet]

All invests are similar iirc

Even at sss or higher she's bad lmfaooooo

Although ss3 or sss should probably be better than ss0 qu but like

By how much idk

[young badge]

even qu has better dmg distribution than her

[buoyant hornet]

If v2-v3 doesn't bring major changes then this character is screwed

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah lowkey

At sss qu has objectively better distribution

Idk about ss0 for sure yet though

But yeah this is looking really bad

[warped axle]

lilith prolly has better distribution than ted

[young badge]

qte bot on release 🥀

hopefully v2 full rework

[buoyant hornet]

I mean lilith is known for having really good wave flow and dmg distribution

(well assuming her red orb actually lands)

[buoyant hornet]

Desperately needed lmfao

[gilded flint]

Changed to tank, no rework, feral new radiance amp with leap

[true pivot]

eos

[unborn hound]

isnt this a repeat of wata daren situation they will either make her like lilith or give the wata treatment to not powercreap feral

[buoyant hornet]

Atp might as well lmao

[buoyant hornet]

Idk we'll see but rn she has bigger problems than that

She's really bad in v1

like REALLY bad

SSS and higher she can't even outscore qu lmfaooooo

And for f2p comps idek if she'd be much better than her

[unborn hound]

[true pivot]

her entire rank kit from ss3 - s+ is all dmg buffs other than 3s for the glow 20 stacks

[noble zinc]

[unborn hound]

are they gonna shaft her just for alpha to aura farm or something

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao and garbage kit in warzone and horrible dmg in ray

[unborn hound]

kuro be like

"amp with ass dmg? perfect!"

[buoyant hornet]

It's not even amps atp it's everyone

Liv is bad at ss0, bianca is bad at ss0, veronica is veronica

And vera was intended to be bad at ss0 too

[noble zinc]

Selena pyro too

[unborn hound]

i mean from what you are describiing she sounds bad at sss too

[noble zinc]

Ss0 shafted

[buoyant hornet]

Eh for their release time they were huge upgrades to their teams

Everyone else who followed wasn't like that

[noble zinc]

Oh wait I read wrong

[true pivot]

oh thats hilarious

[sick flower]

chat is my fire team correct

[true pivot]

a 17m glow wz

bianca is doing 5 rotations

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1310194043635896360.png?quality=lossless&name=kokowheeze&size=48

[orchid owl]

empyrea > pyroath

[sick flower]

ew

[orchid owl]

pyro is just cringe

her only job is to be a good little qte bot

[true pivot]

if bianca had endless orbs she would be solo all the way lol

teddy is so bad

[orchid owl]

oh sht this is beta?

[sick flower]

i will see you all crawling for lucia when she gets her leap just wait for it 💔

[true pivot]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1jdyABmEvP/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.1&trackid=web_related_0.router-related-2206419-dbw5n.1763675838933.723

[unborn hound]

that sounds pretty bad

[true pivot]

absolute comedy

[orchid owl]

hold your horses, we still don't know
maybe cw will replace pyro

[buoyant hornet]

yes

[true pivot]

teddy should have done more damage

[buoyant hornet]

But she's free lol

[sick flower]

what the hell are you saying

[true pivot]

lilith is free

[buoyant hornet]

Honestly her bigger problem seems to be horrible dmg distribution

[orchid owl]

just obvious misinfo with a sprinkle of ragebait

[golden merlin]

They prob meant new alpha will replace

Oh

[sick flower]

beta just started today, everything can change

[orchid owl]

that's what I meant yeah

[buoyant hornet]

yeah i'm not justifying, just saying this is 2025-2026 kuro brick mindset

[orchid owl]

I'm just too used to calling alpha cw since that was her only frame for a long time

[true pivot]

after veronica i refuse to trust this

[sick flower]

its cs not cw @orchid owl

[orchid owl]

crimson fraud

[buoyant hornet]

I'm not even hopeful for better v2-v3 anymore

[sick flower]

mmmm fraud physique mmmmm

[buoyant hornet]

Last few times we said that nothing happened except veronica ignition kit buff

[unborn hound]

i doubt they can change her dmg distrubution

[orchid owl]

that's not even the best part

[buoyant hornet]

Iirc they even nerfed bianca between beta and release

[sick flower]

khaled my hatred towards you is gone im unblocking you

[true pivot]

3s or brick at this point

[orchid owl]

how did that happen

[unborn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-meme-lightskin-stare-owen-wilson-ben-stiller-gif-27270450

[orchid owl]

newbies getting slapped, then the wall slapping them back

[sick flower]

he was btching about liv 💔💔💔

[orchid owl]

I meant how come you forgive him

[sick flower]

oh, its been like a month i dont see a reason to keep the hate

khaled is a cool guy even though he has some weird takes

[orchid owl]

[buoyant hornet]

Also notice how they made ss3 liv ridiculous while also making her kickstart the disgusting phylotree system

To gate f2p from ss3ing her from blue banner lol

[orchid owl]

https://tenor.com/view/liv-punishing-gray-raven-hello-waving-gif-1772443076074702491

[buoyant hornet]

Like the blatant greed lately is genuinely getting on my nerves

[orchid owl]

liv waving goodbye after this patch

[true pivot]

forcing people to get her ss3

and forcing people to spend to get her 3s

[pallid cypress]

karenina weapon isnt really worth it right?

daren i mean

[buoyant hornet]

basically

[orchid owl]

not at this point

[pallid cypress]

got a copy of luna's weapon as fodder

[buoyant hornet]

can be used in ppc temporarily but that's about it

[pallid cypress]

nah, already got luna's weapon dupe

[orchid owl]

also the QTE time stop of liv was a great disappointment

I thought that her QTE was just a QTE that also triggered TLC
turns out it only happens if she gets to play her fancy camera lock mid rot

[pallid cypress]

so should i R2 liv and R3 lilith or R1 veronica and R3 lilith?

or R2 veronica?

[orchid owl]

from my understanding you already have R2 lilith and R1 liv

veronica is a fraud so only thing she needs at most is R1

[true pivot]

her qte technically does trigger tlc

[orchid owl]

save your USB or use it on someone else, maybe slide your huaxu

[orchid owl]

but only to a certain extent, I thought the possibilities were endless

well you could technically have "infinite" time stop on certain characters who can spam ult, but it would just be a really lengthy run nothing more

[true pivot]

well, cant really win them all

[orchid owl]

yeah but we are losing a lot lately

[true pivot]

if im not wrong it can also help with internal cds like dv, guin, eins, etc

[pallid cypress]

@orchid owl https://huaxu.app/na/players/12280975/characters

you can check

[orchid owl]

it does stop buffs too yes, but only for her animation (or at least there is no record of the TLC duration)

[pallid cypress]

only daren and feral are sigless

everyone else have their sig at R1 at least

[orchid owl]

where vergil R1?

[pallid cypress]

oh shoot, kinda forgot about him

only use him when ultima slash comes up

[orchid owl]

although he isn't priority
he is still meta and genuinely strong unit with ultima

[true pivot]

no like cooldowns, some mems take time to recharge, and her qte can help that

[pallid cypress]

who should be priority?

and my vera is R3

[orchid owl]

so mem cooldowns aren't stopped with TLC?

[pallid cypress]

should i R3 lilith?

or she is fine at R2?

[true pivot]

no

[orchid owl]

fine

[true pivot]

the duration is stopped

[orchid owl]

I have R2 lilith

[true pivot]

cooldown isnt

[pallid cypress]

i have vera R3 because it brings the best of both worlds, DPS resos and support resos on her

[orchid owl]

R3 is just overkill

[true pivot]

at least, to my knowledge of how tlc works

[pallid cypress]

was it a bad idea to go R3 on vera?

[orchid owl]

not necessarily

[pallid cypress]

she feels rather smooth with DLT and the amplifier support resos

[orchid owl]

she doesn't get full value from it in ppc but in wz it's pretty good

she does get a lot of benefit there, if you use ML/GS + SAR and you can still put on DLT

[pallid cypress]

should i R2 liv?

[orchid owl]

idk about that one

r1 is plenty

[pallid cypress]

i guess veronica at most only needs R1

[orchid owl]

ye she fraud

[pallid cypress]

or maybe R2 S rank teddy right away when she releases

[orchid owl]

hold your horses, we don't know nothing about her yet

and by the looks of it she looks weak in raydiance

[true pivot]

as of now im gonna doompost teddy

[orchid owl]

she might just be a fraud like vero, can only tell when she releases

[true pivot]

im not trusting them to work on her properly till its fully out

they are slowly leaning into 3s or bust

[orchid owl]

@pallid cypress to give a definitive answer
I've looked at your acc and seems everyone has R1 besides veronica, dante and vergil
now dante is doodoo since you have veronica, and dante is technically only used in igni while vero can be used in phys too
so you have 2 choices, or 1 if you can do both
R1 vero and/or R1 vergil

[pallid cypress]

i have weapon fodder an a USB

[true pivot]

what are the chances df is gonna be more constant now

[orchid owl]

save a USB for the upcoming unit(s)

[true pivot]

zone so bad honestly might as well just play other affixes below 3s invest

[orchid owl]

R1 vero if you want more value (tho she is technically worse than vergil in value even tho she is in 2 teams)

from what I know vergil does need DLT

so you maybe wanna make him a functioning member since he is the end all be all of true slash

if we can believe hearsay, vergil will be here for at least a couple months to come

[unborn hound]

is this worse than v1 vero?

and v1 vera

[true pivot]

talkin about df

[orchid owl]

yomm did you kiwi?

[true pivot]

yea i kiwied

[unborn hound]

[true pivot]

[orchid owl]

good for you

[true pivot]

cough

[heavy marlin]

How Do i play 2.12.12 w/ amp ish in lightning ib?

[sick flower]

my SS0 5* limpidity without any memory resonances perform around equal to my SSS r3 cw im crying 😭

[real jackal]

why ish instead of feral if both ss3?

[warped axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hasan-dog-hasan-piker-electrocuted-gif-2794498358389000074

[sick flower]

https://tenor.com/view/hasan-dog-clash-royale-zap-hasan-piker-gif-7696590236334055992

[true pivot]

obligatory

[orchid owl]

I can't imagine the amount of time this took

by this I mean cutting liv's hair

[true pivot]

it took less than 10 minutes

[orchid owl]

what about the idea

[rose yew]

Down a vodka and sketch anything on a piece of water

[true pivot]

idea was thought about it as soon as liv was revealed to be lightning attacker

crafting the entire thing didnt take long

alpha was the issue lo

i was gonna make a doro ver

but i got lazy and just slapped like 4 adjustment layers to it

[shy jackal]

Doro ver would've been glorious

[sour nest]

can I just ask what the current phys meta is

only asking just to see

[noble zinc]

Selena han vero

[sour nest]

thanks

[icy otter]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-staring-suspicious-memes-gif-9038143639402170425

1tap was 5.8m let me try this

[noble zinc]

[noble zinc]

@orchid owl now seeing i got this
5 reso rn left

If ayla fodder to teddy then 6

[icy otter]

Technically I don't have to try

Top 2 retain is 20m

Me

[crystal rune]

Fat whel

[icy otter]

What abt urself

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/865899693468418049/1199236675470118982/image0.gif

[crystal rune]

I’m f2p

[golden nacelle]

[icy otter]

Mods get him out

Ill do light if I get sniped within 9 hrs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1140525183568982066.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=Frog_WorryThinkMath

3 dudes with 0 score

[crystal rune]

Hi ét

Go 25.5 with pc hax

[golden nacelle]

naur

[crystal rune]

I did fire ult gera at the end and still got 2508w

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/892718733209002005.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worrykekleave

[cobalt prawn]

Got liv cub SS

And my scores barely moved

Lmao

[round lake]

Welcome to the reality of SS CUB

[carmine roost]

That's ss cub for ya

[median spade]

no cub -> cub bigger upgrade than s cub -> ss cub

[carmine roost]

Unless you're nuke, that number ain't going anywhere

[median spade]

[round lake]

Thats why SS CUB isnt worth for most of us filthy casuals

[buoyant hornet]

LMAOO

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah that's why I'm very selective with whose cub I ss lol

Otherwise I just save ores for recycle

[carmine roost]

I don't think even have a ss cub

[noble zinc]

[still python]

Did anyone know why I can't use Qu's weap to reso my liv sig?

[median spade]

default means its part of a preset, equip her with something else in her preset then you can

[dawn cloak]

Why are you killing Qu tho?
She might still lives next patch
Nothing conclusive yet

[median spade]

nah double amp meta frfr

[round lake]

For the moment Teddy looks like she can only one rot

Well atleast until dalaos figure out stuffs

[golden nacelle]

ni

[noble zinc]

[dawn cloak]

So Ice still cant be saved from even being the most bottom scoring huh

[golden nacelle]

[vital nova]

is df better than glacio rn?

[median spade]

much better

[crystal rune]

ni

[vital nova]

gg

[median spade]

ce guy

[cobalt prawn]

how to become nuke

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1334512405480345661.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=Selena_Yes

[cobalt prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[median spade]

i blame ezra for these actions

[vital nova]

ss0 dlt liv rot pls

[noble zinc]

SS0 liv no rights

Just use double long

Dlt don't need

[median spade]

step 1

get S+

no tase me nuke

[vital nova]

guys this is not helpful

[noble zinc]

I'm being real

I'm doing this this whole week

[median spade]

double long rot works

no dlt no sig

[dawn cloak]

But thats long
More than 12 sec

[median spade]

i'm doing you this whole week

[vital nova]

2 rot liv, 2 rot nanami, and 1 rot feral.....?

[noble zinc]

It's just not good

[worldly ore]

Hi, should I get Hanying or Ishmael in the member target banner ?

[noble zinc]

Double long best I found

[median spade]

why would you rot feral

[noble zinc]

7.4mil

Unless can score better someone

[median spade]

feral no field time

[vital nova]

cuz cooldown

[dawn cloak]

Dayum
SS0 so scam these days 😭

[noble zinc]

Yomm with 3s amp 7.8m so you got it

[median spade]

no cooldown on double rot liv nana

if double long liv

[vital nova]

hmm lemme try

[noble zinc]

[vital nova]

does liv do same rot in df?

[noble zinc]

Not
Kind of

[median spade]

[noble zinc]

Sp delay you go there

Normal light can also use

But not it's not worth that sweat

【【战双】打的难受！2.0丽芙2.0薇2.3渡英雄暗衍830W-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/Mp6BvgI

Df

[vital nova]

if liv not dlt, should she use glorious afterglow?

[noble zinc]

Yes

Sp delay if doing then need much i rember let me check wait

*dlt

[vital nova]

i find that liv is still on cd after 2 nanami ult

[noble zinc]

What full inv your

[noble zinc]

Need with sp delay yes

[vital nova]

ss3 nanami r2 and cub

ss0 liv r1 and cub

ss3 feral r1

[noble zinc]

【【丽芙测试服】全2雷单批发678万-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/Lf3vUu3

Can refer

[vital nova]

so feral does get a bit of field time just to cover liv cd

[noble zinc]

Just deer buff

Min max that

Do or not upto you

[vital nova]

what did u expected me to do when liv is on cd and nanami already 2 rot tho?

[noble zinc]

stand there

Or prep your

Nana 3p

Half yellow

or full

[vital nova]

half

[noble zinc]

[noble zinc]

I go 3ult nana can also use that

with cottie

[vital nova]

cottie on lightning nanami?

[dawn cloak]

Need better qte management
So heisen covers all waves, cuz Liv Heisen
Good luck balding

[noble zinc]

It works tho

[noble zinc]

https://youtu.be/D-gJaf8nD2U?si=WtxSroBcIlJvJhd3
Ref run

[astral pond]

is 4 heisen actually better on liv below sss?

[noble zinc]

Thats the talk goin

SSSfrok nat

[dawn cloak]

Cuz her ult dmg kinda ass

[astral pond]

it really is ngl

[dawn cloak]

Also the memo doesnt buff ult dmg
turns out it doubles the ult buff stack

Confusing wording there 😂

[vital nova]

nanami needs dlt doesnt she?

[noble zinc]

Need

[vital nova]

idk if thats any better to the previous video

[true pivot]

nanabeam

[noble zinc]

There's 3 variation both similar scoring

Whatever do

[vital nova]

ss3 feral or ss0 ishmael?

[noble zinc]

Ish

[vital nova]

more buff?

[noble zinc]

It's same

I like that tlc finisher

[vital nova]

i think i like the rot with a bit of feral fieldtime more

[noble zinc]

If got ish skin then?

[vital nova]

no ish skin bro

[blazing bridge]

Is the reduce 3s switch cd useful? Am I missing something not SSS wata?

[noble zinc]

[spiral merlin]

ban

account deletion

[vital nova]

[vital nova]

very usefull yes

[astral pond]

how much ish skin cost again?

[vital nova]

like 10k

[astral pond]

damn

[spiral merlin]

basically zero if you consider that its ish so forfeit all mortal posessions

[astral pond]

I'm sure my account can recover from 413 bc

[dawn cloak]

Mostly in warzone
Usually main dps entry is about 4x on 2 min warzone
Now can 5x entry

[vital nova]

[dawn cloak]

[vital nova]

does df liv do 2 rot?

[astral pond]

the itch is real...

[placid terrace]

damn bro in meta help
bro is just another

[spiral merlin]

how could you not

[formal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-agnes-tachyon-clapping-clap-アグネスタキオン-gif-20931158

[vital nova]

shut up

[placid terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-band-cry-fuck-you-middle-finger-anime-anime-middle-finger-gif-2820563862196474345

[vital nova]

i dont wanna get involved with whatever is going on in off topic rn

[placid terrace]

off topic calmed down

[dull gust]

what are the ss3 prios rn

[vital nova]

bump

[dull gust]

bot is dead for while eh

[formal radish]

Yeah...

[noble zinc]

Cw #1

[dull gust]

[formal radish]

Do your job helper boy.

[crystal rune]

Whel

[dull gust]

she is already ss3 nukelao i go for ish on blue ticket what you say

[noble zinc]

Gib huaxua

Ss3 ish big yes but if main ones not done yet then

[vital nova]

bump2

[dull gust]

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/23768669/characters

[noble zinc]

Vera do it

[dull gust]

damn

[true pivot]

its like 300% effects 0% view on the gameplay

[crystal rune]

Fat whel

Join 1s after reset nezt week pls

[vital nova]

bump3

[crystal rune]

Keep bumping

[real jackal]

so we're still set on 4p heisen over sig for ss0 liv now?

[buoyant hornet]

ish

[buoyant hornet]

yeah

[real jackal]

why ish?

i didnt' get a response when i asked that q

[buoyant hornet]

He responded actually lol

She allows some funny shenanigans with instant ult1 to proc liv's qte on the last second of warzone runs

Also her qte is a bit better

[real jackal]

nah when i asked it was nothing but hasan dog shock memes

[round lake]

#BuffTeddy
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p6yABZEy8

[noble zinc]

[round lake]

Oh bruh wrong link somehow

[dawn cloak]

[buoyant hornet]

😭

tlc = timestop

It's especially important if your liv is ss3 or higher

[real jackal]

how big a buff is ss3 for liv?

[buoyant hornet]

ishmael can do an instant ult 1 at the end of the run to proc her qtes

Which is huge dmg

[buoyant hornet]

Tremendous

[buoyant hornet]

Peak animal

[noble zinc]

7.4-9.7

For now

[real jackal]

ong? frfr?

[real jackal]

oh wtf

[dawn cloak]

Very big
Get it now or regret for possibly 6 months to 1 yr

FOMO is great huh?

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah

[real jackal]

imagine having self control even for non-limited chara

[crystal rune]

Sss even bigger

[dawn cloak]

But costs bigger too
SS3 is cheaper

[real jackal]

i got 60k bc, but im not gonna sss her if it doesn't meaningfully make the rot more fun

[dawn cloak]

[crystal rune]

Sss is cheap

[buoyant hornet]

Btw have you seen or tested ss liv in df? I got 8.3m in legend account but ss3 liv people got 10m so idk if it's just ss3 diff or if I'm not playing right

[dawn cloak]

Then you fund it yeah?
Dont pilot

[crystal rune]

Nah

[noble zinc]

It's nanas -3 who allows diff rot

If 3s

Or else 2s3 is fine

[real jackal]

im one copy away from nana sss

[noble zinc]

My liv ss3

Pilot acc builds not done fully

Or they got SS3 too

[real jackal]

what's the highest value sss rn then?

excluding liv

[noble zinc]

Ss3 liv 11+

[noble zinc]

wait for 3 s players

[real jackal]

actually, i think i alr asked this sht on reddit

https://old.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/1oye25w/daily_questions_megathread_november_16_2025/np9rfit/?context=3

[spiral merlin]

Highest value sss is difficult to choose

[buoyant hornet]

Can try mine but so far I only built bathlon vera and bathlon liv still haven't done any other builds

[spiral merlin]

If you mean like for what they do what the biggest improvement is then it's Bianca

But that's only like 2 teams

[real jackal]

bianca is not real

[spiral merlin]

For versatility that title prob goes to nana or vera

[real jackal]

i still use feesh

[buoyant hornet]

meanwhile nanami has creeped her way into her 1111th team

again

lmao

[spiral merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-try-not-to-laugh-speed-dont-laugh-gif-9393628858940137350

[real jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-surprised-surprised-fish-potato-fish-peaceful-potato-gif-26886367

wtf is ss3 liv rot then?

[noble zinc]

Your vera got Vinci guin cottie build?

[dawn cloak]

The ss3 buff is big cuz it buffs the special qte nuke even more
And her dmg being more reliant on core passive, SS3 buffs core while SSS buffs ult generally

I dunno rot, asks Nuke

[dawn cloak]

Solon, pls buff Teddy
Else Nanami being meta there is useless

[buoyant hornet]

yeah

[spiral merlin]

Teddy giving Bianca 2 gigabuffed rotations is pretty nice regardless of her own dmg but like

[buoyant hornet]

Raydiance needs help badly in v1 lol

It's just worse plasma rn

[spiral merlin]

Bianca glow is too?? strong for wz rn

So much dmg wasting

[buoyant hornet]

And plasma is already falling behind as is

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah zero flexibility

And no one else in the team is doing damage to make up for it

[spiral merlin]

I can kinda see why they didn't give her glow wz but also I want glow wz

[noble zinc]

Also 2pc poin can build you acc?

[buoyant hornet]

On liv? sure go ahead

[buoyant hornet]

Wait what

There's no glow zone?

[spiral merlin]

Nope

Its plasma rn in beta

[crystal rune]

Still scoring like 1660

[buoyant hornet]

What's even the point of this damn affix entirely

[spiral merlin]

Yea glow is the new plasma

[buoyant hornet]

The worse plasma even :kek

failed emoji attempt

I blame solon

[spiral merlin]

Uhh

It's the stronger plasma no?

[vital nova]

bump4

where is my answer

[buoyant hornet]

is it? what I heard is it's worse in general

[spiral merlin]

Oh wait naur I forgot what plasma scores were

[buoyant hornet]

idk even if it's better it's not by much

[crystal rune]

~1853w

[spiral merlin]

18m was double weather boss

[crystal rune]

Ye

[spiral merlin]

16m should be on par with normal plasma then

[crystal rune]

And this glow is single wearher in plasma zone 1660

[buoyant hornet]

And it's definitely less interesting to play rn Bianca glow is fun but I hoped teddy would add more dynamics to the zone

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/892718733209002005.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worrykekleave

[buoyant hornet]

Watch them leap lucia and make kamui ion tank then it goes 30m scoer

[crystal rune]

F2p 30m

[spiral merlin]

I think Lucia leap is inevitable but damn

[crystal rune]

I need wanshi leap forst

[buoyant hornet]

They'll do it even if they have to break their rule of leaping characters in release order

[spiral merlin]

Yeah

And hanying

And Veronica tbh

[buoyant hornet]

Hanying needs it

[crystal rune]

Hanying and wanshi leap same patch

pwoinvest

[buoyant hornet]

Imagine the resource sink

[spiral merlin]

Works for me

[buoyant hornet]

I'd take it

Wanshi will definitely age poorly as meta progresses

[vital nova]

bump5

at this rate I'm gonna ping the dalaos

[buoyant hornet]

Magma is teddy's lightning amp mode permanent like veronica in beta rn?

[dawn cloak]

So they were testing it on plasma wz not glow wz??
~~ I cant read chinese sorry ~~

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah pretty sure the buff should affect glow the exact same iirc

[dawn cloak]

Guess Plasmaoath is truly skippable now fr

[buoyant hornet]

But it's really hard to understand how this affix even works anymore

[noble zinc]

Nd 2pc bathlon for wata memo reso

Not doing hyper

[buoyant hornet]

Technically yeah

[buoyant hornet]

sure go for it

Can use memory usbs for tank class

[round lake]

Nah she'd die

Gen 4 coming after half Anniv

What's the better way to celebrate than to kill our beloved wife first

[dawn cloak]

If we count KuroGreed right now
Wanshi leap is more probable
Cuz already voucherable and free, it wont reduce their potential income

[round lake]

I expect Hanying and Wanshi leap

[crystal rune]

What about

Liv leap

[round lake]

But Lucia is gonna die first no doubt

[buoyant hornet]

SS0 qte nuke when

[dawn cloak]

~~ Liv leamp ~~

[round lake]

First gen 3 attacker, first to die

[crystal rune]

I mean she technically already has one

[dawn cloak]

Die by Alpha's hands, trust

[crystal rune]

It just takes a uwhile to charge

[round lake]

Frankly that's one of my prediction as well

[crystal rune]

Nah

I reckon

[round lake]

If Rosetta is Ice Attacker, you bet Alpha is gonna kill Lucia

[crystal rune]

Every team is gonna hit 30m

Fire still stuck at 22

Then comes fire attacker

[round lake]

From what I remember, Fire is always the first to get ahead

Fastest powercreep on average

[crystal rune]

I mean fire was the weakest team from release iirc

[dawn cloak]

And fire team curse
Always on fire 🔥

[round lake]

It's an endless cycle

[dawn cloak]

They never touching bottom of the barrel anymore since flashbang Liv

[round lake]

Weakest > first to get new gen > Strongest > get surpassed by every other ele eventually > Weakest

[crystal rune]

Man we are 1 dark tank away from 30m team

It’s scarily close

[dawn cloak]

Look at ice now, still bottom of the barrel even after Teddy beta v1
So Wanshi leap needed

#plsbuffTeddy😭

[round lake]

Its just V1 and Teddy beta lasts for a whooping 1 month somehow

[vital nova]

bathlon or cottie bottom?

[round lake]

This is 2x longer than Liv beta wtf

[crystal rune]

12 days

[dawn cloak]

~~ you bottom ~~

[dawn cloak]

134 atk Bathlon vs 135 atk Cottie
3 atk difference smh

[vital nova]

[noble zinc]

[steady otter]

My brain dirty

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/936952109612552192.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worryEggplant

[vital nova]

finally a dalao is here

[steady otter]

Allo there

[round lake]

Windlao will save Teddy with his new found tech

[vital nova]

@steady otter help

[crystal rune]

Windbell ppc dweller knows nothing about wz

[steady otter]

Im not touching df yet

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/892718733209002005.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worrykekleave

[vital nova]

[steady otter]

🦓

Im deadge

[round lake]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1N7yPBYEaN

Solid dmg but man, so slow

[rose yew]

[steady otter]

Pakyu

[crystal rune]

4worrywaah windbell so important

[steady otter]

😭

[round lake]

May be they intended to make Alpha rot 3s nuke

[vital nova]

tell Joseph peter Hurst to go fck himself with the meetings

[round lake]

Fastest unit in history trust

[steady otter]

Im like my boss right hand

[crystal rune]

Pls be my right hand

Need speed hax

[steady otter]

All hydraulic ship project depend on me

Need to find a good time to try df

So yeah im deadge

[vital nova]

windlao face reveal

[crystal rune]

Woah I just realized

[steady otter]

He is my big boss

[crystal rune]

pwoinvest

[steady otter]

Face refeal on my fb

https://tenor.com/view/phrolova-gif-1119392749854539790

[vital nova]

windlao is thicc

[steady otter]

No, it just bad camera angle

[vital nova]

sure

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205201024596316172/1408031681574866964/togif.gif

Lemme delete it

Pakyu

[crystal rune]

I like thicc men it’s okay

[orchid owl]

[round lake]

I saved it

[orchid owl]

"Huge and fluffy, the perfect combination"

[round lake]

One pic for 50$ ty

👍

[vital nova]

damn he deleted it

[orchid owl]

I committed it to memory

Windlao img lives on in my heart

[steady otter]

Whoops

[orchid owl]

@steady otter you work in engineering? Looked like an electric board on the meeting

[steady otter]

Hydraulics

[orchid owl]

Cars or not specifically?

[steady otter]

No, only ship

[vital nova]

this Joseph peter Hurst is a director in a company called...... buma international, or something??

[steady otter]

@orchid owl

[steady otter]

Ya

[vital nova]

ok windlao is a certified wkwklander

[carmine roost]

*scirely close

[orchid owl]

I don't understand what's going on but kewl

[vital nova]

here I thought windlao is from Singapore or smth

[carmine roost]

Where is that

[steady otter]

Bali

[carmine roost]

Wong Bali

[marsh raptor]

Would Epitaph or Oblivions weapon have more value? I dont know which to pick on the choice pack T^T Epitaph is my goat but i wonder if the banner would be wasted on him? I have no idea how important his weapon is lolol

[vital nova]

[carmine roost]

Kerja sambil liburan yekan

[steady otter]

That was hydraulics propulsion system

[vital nova]

I think windlao doesn't like speaking with the locals

dw I don't too

[steady otter]

Im speaking almost fulltime eng on head office

[orchid owl]

How does that work for the ship? Since you said propulsion it means the ship is being moved by being propelled?

[steady otter]

Cuz head office workers are usually not from indo

[vital nova]

false alarm, windlao may not be from indo but is in indo

[carmine roost]

[steady otter]

Hyd fluid > hyd pump > rotate the shaft > rotate the propeller

[steady otter]

Im indo

[vital nova]

[carmine roost]

How's the weather there for the past several weeks

[orchid owl]

[iron beacon]

Uh guys I just came back.. Who will I pick on the free S rank omniframe and weapon choice pack?

[carmine roost]

It has been storming non-stop here for like 3 weeks straight

[vital nova]

wait why are we talking about hydraulics in meta chat

[median spade]

make a new account first

[carmine roost]

Why not

[orchid owl]

You should decide if you have to start a new acc first lmao

[steady otter]

I would say bali is weird
Almost hot weather all a long
But once if bali getting rain season
Is like 2-3 days full with rain w/o stopping

[vital nova]

@ moderators

[median spade]

814 days ago means new account surely

[orchid owl]

Can you show us huaxu?

[median spade]

they have nothing most likely

[carmine roost]

Damn

[orchid owl]

Ah true

That's like CW era, or before that

[iron beacon]

Do i really have to? My account is kinda decent i think

[orchid owl]

Starfarer

[orchid owl]

Brother you missed over 2.5 years worth of content, everyone you have is powercrept

[median spade]

nah you have missed all of sync and 1.5 years before that

[vital nova]

well if u rly care about meta, I think it's better to start over

[median spade]

if you care about optimal picks, begin fresh

[vital nova]

otherwise,u do u

[orchid owl]

Take no offense, we are simply telling you what's optimal since this is #📨・meta-help

[median spade]

as a new account you wanna use the thunderbolt manual, standard banner, and get the debut unit. best way to do that is starting fresh and using all the resources a new account gets

[orchid owl]

Tho I do wonder if he begins a new acc is it truly better? One thing he has going for him is if he has a rosetta with sig

[median spade]

you can get rosetta with beginner picker

[orchid owl]

Ik but for sig you pick tonitrus for echo normally

[median spade]

idk i haven't done the math for a non-sync patch but i think you still get enough resources to do all of that

yeah you still do that

you kinda pick your battles as a new account

phys already bricked, a rosetta with sig wouldn't make it leaps better

[orchid owl]

Yeah, ik

Nanami storm it is

[median spade]

THE GOAT

[orchid owl]

5 star weapon having more passive for B rank then any newly released unit's

[steady otter]

Whare is global beta

[noble zinc]

@buoyant hornet improvement

[ashen parcel]

Almost SSS+

Just 2 more humble pulls

[nova forum]

goddamn whel

[crystal rune]

Whel

[ashen parcel]

[winter wind]

in ss3 ish sss wata sss luna void team, is ish still considered main dps so I would format as 2.333?

[orchid owl]

Well you could
Or you go by roles which would put luna in front and ish at the end

I do the latter

[winter wind]

yea alright

so in 332.3 do you use luna leader or ish leader now?

for void

[orchid owl]

Ish still from what I heard

[gilded flint]

I was about to get a new score higher than that, then alpha stunlocked my vera and I couldnt get ult 2 out

[orchid owl]

Also to expand on this, you can use any if you just provide the char order

[near lodge]

I just got myself the top up weapon selector ticket, who's sig should I go for
vera, wanshi or nanami

[orchid owl]

Out of those 3 wanshi isn't even a contender
As for the other 2 it depends

You probably want vera's though

[gilded flint]

nanami is more versatile but she still works without it, vera with sig opens up more exclusive stuff tho

[orchid owl]

Can you drop a huaxu?

[orchid owl]

Both need it for the same reasons

Vera a bit more if you can get DLT on

[near lodge]

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/18356451/characters

Here

I am aiming for SSS pyroath during this patch

currently at SS4

[orchid owl]

You are beating a dead horse

[near lodge]

doing it mostly because fav, not really for meta reasons

[orchid owl]

Take that with a grain of salt, but imo pyro is old enough where investing now is a bad idea

[noble zinc]

[orchid owl]

Investing geiravor is better spent

Anyways

I see your nanami already has her harmo build setup

So just for that I would probably get her sig
If you don't plan on getting livpidity, even more so

[near lodge]

well I am going to get her but I don't think I'll be using her anytime soon

mostly because I still need scars

[orchid owl]

Well up to you ig
Both vera and nana are equal in age, arguably nana has more value since she fits in more teams

Bro if I fat finger T 1 more time

[royal geode]

Should I spend my bc ? I dont have any sources to get more blue tickets

[orchid owl]

No

And you do have sources, you just don't know them

Albeit very small

[near lodge]

ig I will go with nanami' sig then

thanks for the advice

[royal geode]

Where ?

[orchid owl]

You can get basic tickets every week from operation guardians

Idk how much it was

Maybe 250

[royal geode]

I got her cub and her sign only her

[orchid owl]

And randomly from the panel in guild

[orchid owl]

Well you don't spend bc on check unless it's getting reset (which it already did)

[royal geode]

24 pulls attempts free gonna be blue ticket or rnd ticket?

[orchid owl]

A mix probably

[royal geode]

Ok Im gonna wait then

[orchid owl]

Like 6 pulls here, another 6 there

[royal geode]

Only 14pulls more

[young badge]

how to play glacio

[crystal rune]

Click

[young badge]

[sonic tide]

Qte timing

[young badge]

wutf bd2

[sonic tide]

[crystal rune]

Gôner

[winter wind]

at 2.32.32.3 lightning does liv do fast full fast ult?

I'm watching some chinese warzone vid and they're doing fast full fast but without sp delay

ah I see why fast full fast, cause of the weather this week

so you have max stacks for 2nd ult

[pearl solstice]

Why isn't Natasha recommended for sss and below

[limber yoke]

ult does mid dmg compared to core

[pearl solstice]

That bad?

[limber yoke]

yes

[ripe stag]

Damage ramp too bad for Liv to use

[sour silo]

Her core is better than ult

[pearl solstice]

Mine is ss3 rn

So 4x heisen 4x cottie

[ripe stag]

Yea 4 Heisen 4 Cottie with core reso

[pearl solstice]

Ok

[ripe stag]

[pearl solstice]

What abt weapon

[ripe stag]

R0 works

[pearl solstice]

Harm

[sour silo]

Is poincare even used at whel invest?

[young badge]

r3

[ripe stag]

Literally said 4 Cottie

So Cottie harmo

[pearl solstice]

Oh wait

[crystal rune]

Whel

[vital nova]

gui, cottie, or eins bottom?

[pearl solstice]

Sorry

[ripe stag]

SSS+

[pearl solstice]

What abt reso

[ripe stag]

Cot

[crystal rune]

No

[ripe stag]

R0 works

[sour silo]

Zamn useless affix memo

[pearl solstice]

Ok

[young badge]

ga incan

[ripe stag]

But you can give her Glorious Afterglow

[ripe stag]

And incan

[pearl solstice]

Thanks ezra

[vital nova]

second best being eins?

[ripe stag]

Pakyu

[ripe stag]

Cot bottom

No one comes close

[sour silo]

How many times do i need liv to ult for light at 2.332.3 invest

[crystal rune]

Twice

[pearl solstice]

Pakyu?

[sour silo]

Full and fast?

[crystal rune]

Fast full

[vital nova]

well imma build 4gui 2eins 2cottie for df vera

[young badge]

does liv carry ein at ss0? with 3s nana

[limber yoke]

no

[crystal rune]

Whel

[vital nova]

so who's second best for bottom

[limber yoke]

whel

[sour silo]

I see aight ty, i will try later after class

So far full and fast got me 10m

[vital nova]

this no good for vera?

[limber yoke]

yes

i mean good

[crystal rune]

Maybe

[vital nova]

why must u say maybe

[crystal rune]

Idk

[vital nova]

its the build in the pins

[crystal rune]

Ok

[young badge]

ok

[vital nova]

[pearl solstice]

Man Liv is so bad

[vital nova]

very helpful guys

[steady otter]

Midliv

[limber yoke]

because ur whel invest

not poor invest

[crystal rune]

Baby gronk rizzed up livvy dunne?

[sour silo]

Miv

[crystal rune]

I got outed for being poor now I’m getting outed for being whel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/892718733209002005.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worrykekleave

Society

[limber yoke]

this is life

[crystal rune]

Do you wanna know how I got these scars

[vital nova]

nah

[sonic tide]

Nu

[vital nova]

anyway bottom should be cottie and...... eins? or gui??

[limber yoke]

cottie

[crystal rune]

You’ve ran out of responses

Pls come back tmrw at 2:58 pm

[vital nova]

cottie only takes 2 slot wth

[pearl solstice]

Sniff

[crystal rune]

It doesn’t matter

That much

[vital nova]

times like these is when i wish the bot is still alive

[crystal rune]

It is alive

You just don’t know it yet

[vital nova]

[pearl solstice]

Where

[crystal rune]

Anyways both eins and guin have some attack value

Doesnr matter

Just build 4guin 2cot and harmo eins

[vital nova]

i already have a gui harmo

am i bricked?

[median shell]

Yes

[vital nova]

[zenith thorn]

cogs is still alive idk what u talking about

[vital nova]

wtf is a cogs

[limber yoke]

doomy

[crystal rune]

Have you tried critting

[zenith thorn]

bot is alive

[vital nova]

[limber yoke]

bro thought its in this server

[vital nova]

well where is it?

[crystal rune]

Somewhere

[zenith thorn]

somewhere we used to know

[crystal rune]

Something in the way

[limber yoke]

which way

[pearl solstice]

Man Liv is real strong at ss3

[crystal rune]

Mmmmmmmmm

[pearl solstice]

[zenith thorn]

ss3 no rights

get to sss+

[pearl solstice]

[vital nova]

fork, where to find this cogs bot?

[pearl solstice]

Idk

[zenith thorn]

its an old bot dude :lmaocry:

[pearl solstice]

I haven't been using the bots for some time since the shut down of the old one

[zenith thorn]

wayyyy before celica

should be the 3rd bot

since celica is the 4th bot

died on feral (cn patch)

[vital nova]

pls revive celica

[zenith thorn]

(not updated)

[sonic tide]

Commit sss and get the best human rights tlc core

[zenith thorn]

but doomy somehow still keep it alive

[limber yoke]

the archives

[zenith thorn]

ah the old builds

without harmo

so peaceful

[winter wind]

any have a 2.32.32.3 lightning wz vid to link

[pearl solstice]

No way

I can't afford to invest that wat

Way

[crystal rune]

Sss is animal rights

[pearl solstice]

Feels like teddy is going to sux without ss3

Since they are giving one for free

[crystal rune]

Teddy sucks without sss

[pearl solstice]

WHAT

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/892718733209002005.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worrykekleave

[pearl solstice]

Nergi U can't be serious

[crystal rune]

Teddy still sucks with sss

[pearl solstice]

[limber yoke]

minimum rights for free amps

[pearl solstice]

Who is she replacing

[crystal rune]

But sss makes her glow better

[pearl solstice]

Ayla?

[limber yoke]

always has been

[hazy sandal]

Raydiance vid out

[pearl solstice]

Cool

[hazy sandal]

[pearl solstice]

Can we get male construct

[sonic tide]

Yes way welp idnt even sss her idnt rlly care bout lightning too much but still best human rights

[pearl solstice]

I thought Liv ss3 is good enough

Ss0 isn't good enuf

[ripe stag]

MEHDIANCE

PLEASE KILL MEHDIANCE

[pearl solstice]

Hi ezra

[ripe stag]

Pakyu

[pearl solstice]

What do U think abt teddy

[ripe stag]

[pearl solstice]

Who is pakyu

What do U think abt teddy

And he is gone

[ripe stag]

KUSOGAKI DROPKICK

[sonic tide]

Ss3 Issok her problem is when do long rotation so long especially tht hold BA after white, so yeah timestop when her do hold ba help a lot

[pearl solstice]

Bruh

[ripe stag]

[ripe stag]

Nah
I'm too busy managing resources to R3 Teddy

[pearl solstice]

How bad is her ss0

[crystal rune]

Bricked

[pearl solstice]

Can't rotate?

[crystal rune]

Barely improvement over solo nana

[pearl solstice]

Liv ss0

Oh

Ss3 is improvement right

[ripe stag]

Ye

For Liv

[pearl solstice]

Ok

[simple dew]

ss3 is fun to play

[crystal rune]

Liv performance is held back by feral

[pearl solstice]

I think they make Nanami too strong

Plsnnerf

[simple dew]

she can solo decently

[sonic tide]

Same with bonca cuz daren

[pearl solstice]

I soloed with ss3 liv

The combo is ok no?

[ripe stag]

No

Liv's perfomance is held back by Liv

POWERCREEP LIV IMMEDIATELY

[sonic tide]

Yeah ofc still better improvement than ss3 bianca for me

[ripe stag]

Tactical Boots at work

[simple dew]

vero ruined the game