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zinc charm
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🤑 pls fund the game dalao so f2p can still float

chilly trail
buoyant hornet
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Oh right at least I can use her sig from the new selector for harmo/20% buff

chilly trail
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Seems like liv poincare vera dv is better

buoyant hornet
chilly trail
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2.332 112

buoyant hornet
trim apex
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Vera dvKareninaGasp

carmine reef
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i'm getting a worse score trying your nanami double long rots

buoyant hornet
carmine reef
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but it's possible i did not know how to best make use of it

chilly trail
buoyant hornet
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Maybe ss3 doesn't need all that

trim apex
# chilly trail

what if you swap 4 bath from wata to vera, and put dv on wataWorryCommandant

buoyant hornet
trim apex
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oh wait, 4 poinKareninaGasp

buoyant hornet
# chilly trail

Did you try bathlon liv or just not worth? I was waiting before building her darflow set to ask first

chilly trail
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Got only 9.5 liv bath vera guin wata dv

buoyant hornet
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Lol wonder if ss0 liv can 9m df

chilly trail
buoyant hornet
chilly trail
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When vassagay appear

carmine reef
zinc charm
chilly trail
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Im broke on ht mats nowWorryCommandant

pallid cypress
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oh goddammit already used ishmael on dark

zinc charm
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universal broke

pallid cypress
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guess ill have to wing it with sigless feral

pallid cypress
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alread used

noble zinc
pallid cypress
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she was on my dark team

peak halo
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I felt u
But with Ss5 r2 feral

pallid cypress
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and remember her weapon is locked behind the paid path of thunderbolt manual

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still salty about that btw

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well my feral is SS3

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but without sig she is useless

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can i use Vera or lilith as amp instead?

peak halo
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Yeah
Less heal buff

pallid cypress
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oh, vera is my only option left

peak halo
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Kinda yes if r2

pallid cypress
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lilith was also used in dark PPC

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my vera is R3

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gonna try vera with 4 sams and 4 guins

mossy sentinel
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ss3 crepuscule or ss3 geiravor?

pallid cypress
mossy sentinel
tight pawn
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So do we know now what Liv uses at ss0? for darkflow and lightning

atomic kayak
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What does Selena ss3 do

formal radish
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Lets her flower ult be useful

sick flower
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how?

carmine reef
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lets blue be useful

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🗿

formal radish
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how?

keen meteor
trim apex
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I don't think 2.332 teams sp delayEvilLiv

trim apex
chilly trail
carmine reef
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i don't think 1 full 1 fast is the play for me

keen meteor
trim apex
carmine reef
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vera

carmine reef
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i've gotten hit by lightning trying to sp delay for the past 4 runs now

formal radish
trim apex
# carmine reef vera

And you put Liv as starter and swap into wata 1 rot then vera 2 rot at the start right?

gilded flint
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And Vera rot isn't cancer starting rot and can just do the easy dodge rot for the rest of the run

trim apex
carmine reef
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i'm trying the other way rn but my high score is like that

gilded flint
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Did you get 10 milAlphaPeek

carmine reef
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still 9.7

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the problem is that slightly improving earlier wave progression makes wata/vera run into vassago

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painge

peak halo
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Even that the only logical way cuz wata needs 1 rot to shreds df

trim apex
# carmine reef yeah

so... I think if you start wata 1 rot into vera 1 rot you'll save about 3-4 seconds. Then if you do full ult > fast ult throughout you'll have enough time to double full ult on Liv for the end.

noble zinc
carmine reef
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that's what i'm trying rn

atomic kayak
trim apex
carmine reef
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oh fk

noble zinc
carmine reef
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well B is for one way to do A

trim apex
# noble zinc Ys

idk, maybe if both wata and vera are higher invest than Liv that'd be worthDumbDawn because you delay your first Liv rot by 3-4 sec

trim apex
noble zinc
atomic kayak
carmine reef
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blue orb is used to do a faster route to flower ult that ss0 cannot do

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faster and more powerful

trim apex
# noble zinc <:1owhh:1205017833348665384>

I was doing 2 full Liv ult per rot, so I needed to start Liv rot as quickly as possible. Combined with sp delay tech I managed to fit in Liv 2 full ult, wata 4 blaze ult, and vera ult1 at the endQuDio

noble zinc
keen meteor
trim apex
carmine reef
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i've tried what you said and it's worse, though not by much

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the issue is that you can't sp delay out of short ult

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so you have to hold dodge on entry again next swap

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also changes qte timings on vera in a way that's kinda worse

trim apex
noble zinc
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Yeah est good

young badge
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what 3s liffu rot

noble zinc
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Light or df

young badge
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prefer both

gilded flint
carmine reef
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yeah it would be doable if i put dlt on but

gilded flint
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No dlt

carmine reef
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not sure if this is worth taking ga off for

gilded flint
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I'm not r2 liv

noble zinc
# young badge prefer both

Light 2 variations I know
One alternate between 2/3
Another constant 2ulta with offifled hits of liv with ish buffing nana followup

carmine reef
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i'm not either

noble zinc
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Df goes so delay 2lomg full

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*sp

young badge
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wuts liffu short input

carmine reef
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hold dodge

noble zinc
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One blue-hood dodge another only hold dodge

trim apex
young badge
noble zinc
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Blue-hold also letsmore energy for insta 3* 3p ult

carmine reef
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yeah not talking about during liv rot, i mean it changes when vera gets her dv

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and when she gets liv super qte

noble zinc
carmine reef
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and it's not saving as much time as it should because i can't sp delay out of it because no orbs

young badge
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1st swap is 2x 3p into ult1?

carmine reef
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i'll try with dlt out of curiosity though

noble zinc
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followup 2 variations said

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Diff stat

carmine reef
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it doesn't work with dlt either

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or at least, it worked for first swap

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but then i didn't have orbs on second icant

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i don't think it's worth taking ga off and still needing to do hold dodge

glass edge
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Can we recycle CUBs guys?

peak pumice
glass edge
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Demn I could have saved a lot if I knew this xD

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Ty

hazy sandal
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Discarding liv 3 rot.

noble zinc
cobalt prawn
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It’s not consistent tho

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I’m not sure what the issue/setup is but I run into same issue as u sometimes, and sometimes it works out

carmine reef
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if your inputs are the same then most likely you're just slower sometimes and you go slow enough that dlt kicks in

cobalt prawn
hazy sandal
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4s

hazy sandal
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But doesn’t matter

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2s3 is able to replicate

cobalt prawn
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U do the same tech regardless?

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Oh ok thx

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Mine will be ss0 until next week or two tho😔

noble zinc
cobalt prawn
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Do u still do instant hold BA for first Nanami ult if she’s below SSS?

fallen sandal
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21 is outdated

hazy sandal
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Superior

carmine reef
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cooked

trim apex
icy otter
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I can mald 8.6

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But that wave isn't dying

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Unless there's some core rotation change

trim apex
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what rot are you doing atm?

icy otter
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Or enough time save somewhere to get squeeze in a wata ult

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That's 212

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Liv wata vera

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For breakpoint purpose on some swaps I force 6 stack wata ult

surreal mural
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i just saw i forgot to replace natasha with heisen

peak halo
surreal mural
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i'm cooked

peak halo
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Even cant do 6stacks wata in 1.5s or 2s

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I cant cancel her swap perfectlyDumbDawn

stiff mist
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Luna: 3 Ping + 3 Ping + Hold BA + Hold Dodge + Ult + Blue 3 Ping + Red 3 Ping + Hold BA + Ult

Parhelion Amp: Double Blue 3 Ping + Hold Dodge + Yellow Orb + Ult + Full Enhanced Dodge Combo + Hold Dodge + Red 3 Ping + Ult

Lucid Wanshi: Double Blue 3 Ping + Hold Red + Spam Bullets + Dodge + Spam Again + Ult

Who is first, second and third in a good rotation where Luna is the DPS (even though I think Ishmael does morem..)

clear jewel
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Hey! Just downloaded the game yesterday

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Wanted to know if there is a valid tier list

fading kestrel
noble zinc
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@compact fern what tou ss3 liv score

fading kestrel
chilly trail
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U record?

fading kestrel
clear jewel
noble zinc
clear jewel
fading kestrel
noble zinc
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Yea this giga stonk DumbDawn

chilly trail
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Ss3 team?

noble zinc
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Yomm acc they be struggling 8mil

chilly trail
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Idk how to play light now

noble zinc
noble zinc
compact fern
clear jewel
chilly trail
fading kestrel
chilly trail
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Only got 8 rn

noble zinc
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9i think should be min

clear jewel
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And from the free S rank selector what should I take?

noble zinc
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Idk I just put sss rot here with some adjustment

chilly trail
fading kestrel
ripe stag
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Uh guys

clear jewel
fading kestrel
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tenebrion

clear jewel
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Any particular reason for why?

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Also, is the white hair girl Luna Oblivion? The one you were telling me to pick

fading kestrel
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all the others are so massively outclassed by easily accessible units, that theres no real point in getting them

analog mirage
fading kestrel
ripe stag
analog mirage
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Ok bro

fading kestrel
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creature

clear jewel
analog mirage
fading kestrel
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is it the massive selector with every S or

clear jewel
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I think yea that one

fading kestrel
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the smaller ones

analog mirage
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I use a translation app so the language might be a bit awkward.

young badge
analog mirage
fading kestrel
peak pumice
clear jewel
fading kestrel
# clear jewel Got it!

you can also do every units tutorial, even if you dont own them
so let that help you choose

ripe stag
analog mirage
peak pumice
analog mirage
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oh i forgot to ask you play in hero or legend zone

ripe stag
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SS0 is stupid

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For Liv

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I can 10m I think as well

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Yea

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Wave 43 kill

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Is 10m

analog mirage
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currently i get 8m2 with rotation i came up with

ripe stag
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But liv is on 2 full ults

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ALWAYS

analog mirage
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SS3 is so strong

ripe stag
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SSS0 is whats strong

analog mirage
ripe stag
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Imma never pull SSS0

analog mirage
ripe stag
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Me flat broke for future now

clear jewel
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Wait am I gauranteed a S rank on my first 10 pull in the beginner banner?

ripe stag
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Good enough

ripe stag
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60 pity guarantees the selected S rank on the basic banner

analog mirage
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yes, pull SSS is too expensive

ripe stag
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And there's no beginner banner

analog mirage
ripe stag
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It's just your basic banner but with 40 pity if you never hit pity there

peak pumice
clear jewel
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I just used up all my luck then ig

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Got the S and A ranks I selected in a single 10 pull

analog mirage
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Currently I have a very strong Glacio team, invest 333. But I don't know how to play Selena. My score is even lower than DF team 232

peak pumice
analog mirage
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I don't know if I should spend 1200x6 Vouchers to buy Luna Void pieces. 6 more pieces and I will have SSS.

analog mirage
peak pumice
analog mirage
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I have Ishmael rot

peak pumice
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I think my issue is that I could not fit the last ult in the amp buff

analog mirage
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yes bro you have to do 3 rounds in 10 seconds

peak pumice
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I'm always a split second too slow

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maybe playing on m+kb is why

analog mirage
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I think this team play only kb will be faster

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because you only need 3 orb slots 1, 2 and 4

peak pumice
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I think it's mainly the dodge into hold dodge that causes the slow input

deft apex
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Doesn't matter if u hit 40 or not

shy jackal
simple dew
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why we dont use it anymore

analog mirage
analog mirage
ripe stag
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Oh yea that

final fog
young badge
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ss3

analog mirage
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Ss3

young badge
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ss0 is DK RRDD on 2nd rot

peak halo
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333 light how many sec on overseer hell?

young badge
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888

peak halo
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then i save 12

trim apex
noble zinc
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Pak 18k more baldcatnips

young badge
noble zinc
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Hero

young badge
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what u doing in hero

trim apex
noble zinc
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Slacked last week my accbroke

shut fulcrum
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What is this Ishmael lightning team tec?

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With draining or smth?

peak pumice
analog mirage
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Yes yes

cobalt prawn
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I’m not sure either, he just did RYR dodge x2 idk what he meant

fluid gulch
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Anyone got SS3 liffu rot?

spiral merlin
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Smth everyone should have done before

simple dew
noble zinc
wooden sable
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whats the best thing to resonate on upper half of livs memories, they say its any atk but which one is the best if we are being specific

simple dew
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any

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crit doesnt work on elements and hp/def is useless since she is immune 99% of the time

wooden sable
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so i can js go resonate blue orbs and everything would be fine?

simple dew
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reso top atk bottom core passive

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assuming <sss+

wooden sable
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its js SS

fluid gulch
noble zinc
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Inputs long video prob will give

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tomorrow thenhmmThumbU

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km_fastrun now sleep

median spade
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nuke sleep

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slacker

cobalt prawn
faint monolith
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I love Lifu

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Best attacker in the game fr

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Midianca could never

peak pumice
faint monolith
night locust
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Anyone know limpidity’s ppc rot?

orchid owl
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maybe windbell

hasty bluff
earnest jay
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how does Vera get enough orbs for 2 rotations if she uses 4 guin, 2 Eins, and 2 cottie?

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for Darkflow

gilded flint
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Its something like holding basic while pressing dodge occasionally

earnest jay
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during wata phase attack while holding dodge, use Lingya cub, then swicth to Vera?

gilded flint
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Im sending an example rn

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Not the cleanest but good enoughEvilLiv

earnest jay
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i see

simple dew
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give input EvilLiv

earnest jay
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im seeing different youtube darkflow runs yet was confused on vera and Liv having enough orbs for 2 rotations

simple dew
gilded flint
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yes

simple dew
gilded flint
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hold dodge ult can also be used tho

earnest jay
# gilded flint

would giving Vera DLT also help for darkflow or she still wants to use Superconducting and glorious spear?

simple dew
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just r3 and dont think much

gilded flint
earnest jay
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yea i have r2, was wondering i sacrifice spear for DLT

gilded flint
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No DLT means no life no money no double rot life over

spiral merlin
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doesnt below sss vera take hervor

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or is that still in testing

earnest jay
spiral merlin
earnest jay
gilded flint
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Me and zex doing runs, but we both doing 4 guin 2 eins

earnest jay
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in order to get those white stacks?

spiral merlin
warped axle
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4x white and hold basic

earnest jay
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maybe i should record my run and let u guys tell me what i need to do better

gilded flint
earnest jay
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because im def doing something wrong

gilded flint
earnest jay
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no score because i keep messing up rotation kekwtf

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thats why im here

gilded flint
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Im not gonna introduce you to sp delay yet, but when you get to livs 1st ult 2, press a blue ping before so you can do 2/3 3p into ult 1

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instead of using hold dodge

simple dew
spiral merlin
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so just the sss bera set also

simple dew
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just wait till sunday and copy the top 1 on darkflow QuDio

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can we make charas glued to their sig sets

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would cut all of the build shenanigans

spiral merlin
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nah make it like vera make sig 99% useless

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all dmg buffs innate to kit

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even tho people are using heisen liv that 100% edb is sorely missed

simple dew
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can you refund ht mats from mems

spiral merlin
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no lol

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i wish

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best use of them is reresoing somewhere theyd be useful

simple dew
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yea im gonna use derketo and diesel

earnest jay
simple dew
earnest jay
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what you think of rotation?

spiral merlin
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liffu need 2 blue orb for white orbs holy brick

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that and no core timestop

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didnt know it was this bad

gilded flint
spiral merlin
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i think you have the general idea of the rotations but you need to be faster and not spend so long on vera

simple dew
spiral merlin
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and ye cottie is basically doing nothing for vera if ur not dodge cancelling

earnest jay
spiral merlin
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ss0 truly no rights

gilded flint
simple dew
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can ss3 liv solo AylaThink

spiral merlin
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ss3 sounds the same as sss so i would guess yes

gilded flint
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yea in df

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Im assuming 232 011 111

gilded flint
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YeaEvilLiv

earnest jay
gilded flint
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no, its when you hold the basic atk

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in ult1 form

simple dew
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dodge when her bottom core goes down

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is there a point in cancelling reds

gilded flint
spiral merlin
gilded flint
spiral merlin
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you only press dodge after the first red

simple dew
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how much faster EvilLiv

spiral merlin
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idk like 0.5s

gilded flint
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prolly like .5s - 1s

earnest jay
# gilded flint

u talking about that red line at the bottom of vera spear icon?

simple dew
gilded flint
earnest jay
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talk about maximizing damage doing the smallest of things deadge

gilded flint
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thats the meta help for youEvilLiv

spiral merlin
gilded flint
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if save .001s then mald it for life

earnest jay
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how about my liv rotation? was that more or less how u do it?

spiral merlin
spiral merlin
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You'll want to sp delay tho

earnest jay
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ok now what does THAT mean beef

gilded flint
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3p + ult at basically the same time

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only for the 1st ult 2 tho

spiral merlin
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In reality you press 3p only very very slightly earlier than ult

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But practically yeah same time

earnest jay
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i mean i could try but my brain would prob just be pressing buttons as fast as i can

gilded flint
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a book mark to do it is after liv makes the void

spiral merlin
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The game gives you a nice flash indicator from the animation to tell you the point where you can press buttons again

earnest jay
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can any of u tell me the timestamp where that mark is on my vid?

gilded flint
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like 1 02 to 1 03

earnest jay
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thanks guys u been a great help

winter wind
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btw magma I started doing the sp delay, I always had my right 3 orbs right to left bound to g t v, so T is the ping blue on liv

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it makes it substantially easier to try and sp delay

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with t and r as ping and ult respectively

spiral merlin
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nice

winter wind
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Maybe some others should try it makes it super easy

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Also does liv's giga QTE have time stop?

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nvm it says in the description I just missed it'

spiral merlin
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yeah

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would be crazy if it had that animation and no timestop

winter wind
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yea

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I was worried xd

hasty bluff
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today too

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i cannot sleep

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so i head to meta help

spiral merlin
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good choice

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this channel will put you to sleep in minutes

hasty bluff
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i hope it does

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i need it

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gotta read the pinned to induce some

boreal lynx
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between lucia, hanying, and selena, who should i sss

winter wind
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not hanying that's for sure xd

hasty bluff
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i would do selena idk how much it is worth it though

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and i think ss3 pyroath and ss3 selena would be my thing

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instead of all in on one

boreal lynx
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all of them are ss3 alr

hasty bluff
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oh zamn

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i really dk which one is better between pyro and selena

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i guess it should be selena

wind hemlock
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thonk2 I can get one SS3 with the base ticket reset, which is the best choice? Nanami, Vera or one of the attackers?

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Everyone is SS already

hasty bluff
boreal lynx
hasty bluff
boreal lynx
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ye

hasty bluff
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damn

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whel

boreal lynx
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😭

spiral merlin
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funnily enough i got cw from base banner and that got me s+ vera

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useful from beyond the grave

hasty bluff
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alpha still helping players after eos

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true meta

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and here i have s rank alpha never bothered to raise her

boreal lynx
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how come when i switch to heisen its 11s slower than Nats

spiral merlin
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heis vs nat still needs quite a bit of testing i think

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i get better scores with nat

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at sss

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but its very close

boreal lynx
spiral merlin
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supposedly the lower rank you are the better heisen is

boreal lynx
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im at sss

spiral merlin
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so maybe

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oh

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well it should be close

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idk

pine pier
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for darkflow liv have we decided that cottie is better than poincare

wind hemlock
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Bathlon Cottie?

pine pier
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yeah instead of bathlon poincare

carmine reef
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well poincare is not competing with cottie, cottie is needed regardless

golden merlin
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Eh
Liv darkflow uses bathlon not poincare

Tf was the point of either new memory set

carmine reef
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always good to have options, it might be useful if/when we get a darkflow boss in ppc

spiral merlin
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my dark is flowing

icy otter
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The problem is roseblade

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W24

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Wata swaps in exactly on dead wave so he stays in place

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Which makes it too far for parry

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I mean surely ss3 is like 1.5m diff and that's what zex got

gilded flint
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There goes my hopes and dreams of df ss0 reaching 10 mil dfBiancaThumbUp

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Also im getting results that wata starter better than liv starter
When I did liv after wata run all the timings on the left remained red after like wave 20

icy otter
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I can minmax 8.6 but I don't want to

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Because the run brick happens 4 mins into the run

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I'm tired boss

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@peak halo yea ok nya definitely a whale

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Ok no I'm pissed

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I'll mald

cobalt prawn
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Oh wow

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Ss0 -> ss3 liv took me from 5.7 lightning to 6.75 in 2 tries

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And idek know the optimal rots yet, I’m mostly doing 2x full ults with some fast + full ones in there

icy otter
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What da ss3 do anyway

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It let's u do 1 fast 1 full that's all I know

cobalt prawn
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So u only need to blue ping once to white ping 4x

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And dmg buff off + qte nuke

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Liv’s qte is kind of unique too in that it does delayed/continuous dmg

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So if u pop double qte, don’t click her’s instantly u have to wait

shy jackal
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so basically not getting as much damage out of the qte

cobalt prawn
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it doesn't stack

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Also I'm scoring higher doing 2x full ult on liv instead of fast+full idk if that's normal or if im messing smth up lmao

shy jackal
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liv, somehow goated and a giant mess at the same time

golden nacelle
hazy sandal
median shell
cobalt prawn
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oooh i discovered triple ult liv

analog mirage
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Ful u @golden nacelle

cobalt prawn
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got up to 7m hero now

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all R1

gilded flint
gilded flint
cobalt prawn
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1 fast ult opener into full-fast-fast

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but I think for df, full+full is still better(?)

gilded flint
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yea that seems to be the best unless theres some stuff for a break point

cobalt prawn
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well, she took my lightning from barely 4m to 7

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im very happy hehe

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good unit

gilded flint
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maybe ss0 liv has rights after all

cobalt prawn
#

I got 7.3M df with ss0 liv, let's see what ss3 can cook

cobalt prawn
#

the qte is so bad

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at ss3 with good qte timing u can fix sm awkward waves

wind hemlock
#

Just like Luna leap, needs SS3 to shine

cobalt prawn
#

for sure.. it's night and day for liv

wind hemlock
#

Way to sell your limited banner kuso topkek

golden nacelle
crystal rune
crystal rune
#

Not 25 yet

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Am trash

cobalt prawn
#

does Vera run the Hervor triple ult build at ss3?

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so Vera 3 ult, Liv 2, wata 1 is the rotation/

zinc charm
#

does anyone has rots guide for leaped SS3 luna

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i havent done my nihil run EvilLiv

limber yoke
zinc charm
#

speaking of whats a good third member if SS0 R2 ish and SS3 R2 luna

i am thinking the list could be

3S wanshi R2
3S wanshi R1
3S lillith R2
2S0 Vera R3

cobalt prawn
limber yoke
#

yes

cobalt prawn
#

and Liv does.. 2 full ult? (SS3)

limber yoke
#

if u want to sp delay maybe

crystal rune
#

Sp delay is fun

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And also fps gapped

cobalt prawn
#

without sp delay it would be fast+full then

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I can't get sp delay off consistently

zinc charm
#

felt like its too tight

analog mirage
zinc charm
#

how you do fast+full @cobalt prawn

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i always do 2 full ult regardless

cobalt prawn
#

swap in, hold dodge, ult1, hold dodge ult2.
3p, hold dodge, ult 1, 3p blue, white x4, hold ba, ult2

zinc charm
#

is it possible to do it with ss0 +ga? or do i need to change ga to dlt?

cobalt prawn
#

oh thats for ss3

zinc charm
#

sadge

cobalt prawn
#

ss0 u can do full+fast

zinc charm
#

same principle?

cobalt prawn
#

yup

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I think u need 2x 3p after the first ult2 tho

#

and also 2x blue ping

zinc charm
#

isnt that the full ult part

#

so 2x full first rot then i can do the full+fast?

cobalt prawn
#

hmm with ss0 liv I opened with 1 full ult

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and then did full+fast

zinc charm
#

3 ult in opening rot? or you do the full+fast on next switch in

cobalt prawn
#

next switch

zinc charm
#

hmm i usually still do 2 full ult on opening rots, idk if its unoptimal

blazing sorrel
#

New lightning team confuses me. What memories should be on SS+sig Nanaknight and Liv? Grayravens isn't helpful suggesting Heisen for both. SSS+sig Feral just uses 4gui+4DV I assume?

wind hemlock
#

Both Nanaknight and Liv use Heisen for now

cobalt prawn
#

fffflkllkk

#

vassagooooo

#

I went from +16s to only +5 after that damn wave

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then from +12 to +2 when he showed up 2 again 2 waves later

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so stupid

buoyant hornet
#

@noble zinc did you test any ss0 liv stuff yet

blazing sorrel
#

What about dakrkflow/another 4-set? It shows essentially different mixes of cot/poincare/frederic. And for darkflow it (again) shows bathlon on both her and Vera

cobalt prawn
#

Vera should be on either: 4 guin 2 eins 2 cottie (if Wata is SSS)
or:
4 Hervor 2 guin 2 cottie (if Wata not SSS)

#

the idea being that without 12s swap timer, Hervor allows Vera to do 3 ults (covering downtime)

winter wind
#

I saw this guy do some crazy builds

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highest scoring 2.332.3 on sea

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He's doing 4 poin 4 cot liv, 4 sig 4 bath wata, 4 dv 2 cot 2 eins vera

buoyant hornet
#

All of the possibilites listed are usable but will have some minor or major differences in outcome that we can't come to a consensus on just yet

winter wind
#

I'm too broke to try his build anyways xd for some reason the sig energy gain on liv is different with 4 poin vs 4 bath even though there's still 4 cot, I'm only able to keep up with his rotation by doing SP delay

buoyant hornet
#

2 good player I know got identical scores with vastly different builds it's funny

buoyant hornet
winter wind
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💀

#

I'm hoping it stays a thing for a little longer so I can keep up with that guys rot, idk why he gets so much more sp using 4 poin

round lake
#

KR Discord just fked up and posted a video too early EvilLiv about new unit

blazing sorrel
round lake
#

Although it's no big news or anything ig

buoyant hornet
#

ping ping dodge ping ult1

cobalt prawn
#

hm.. .capping out at 8m df for now

gilded flint
#

Feyer, what do you think the highest score for df 232 112 111 is?

winter wind
#

I was watching at .25 and was counting, so I thought he only did 2

limber yoke
#

and u need dlt

cobalt prawn
limber yoke
#

hero?

cobalt prawn
#

was stuck at 7.8 for awhile and then got a run where the stupid worm didnt burrow

round lake
winter wind
limber yoke
#

?

zinc charm
cobalt prawn
#

if I figure out sp delay i think my score can go even higher

limber yoke
#

ye

round lake
winter wind
# limber yoke ?

I'm doing sp delay instead of the 2p hold dodge because he's getting more sig energy, when I tried with 4 bath 4 cot, it's too slow

I'm only able to keep up with time by doing sp delay, idk what it is about the 4 poin that's making him get more sp on hold dodge on rot 2

gilded flint
cobalt prawn
#

and does she have sig + dlt

zinc charm
blazing sorrel
#

SS, Wata is SS3

cobalt prawn
blazing sorrel
#

All sigs with 1R

gilded flint
cobalt prawn
#

so for ss3 does this mean I can immediately hold dodge after ult2

gilded flint
#

Nah, doesn't give you stacks

cobalt prawn
winter wind
#

@cobalt prawn I do it like 90% of the time right now, I've always had V T G as my ping 3 2 1 respectively, and so T is my blue ping on liv ult form. So I just press T and R to do sp delay

cobalt prawn
#

oh so just 3p x2 ult 1

winter wind
#

works almost every time

cobalt prawn
#

(does this need dlt)

gilded flint
winter wind
gilded flint
cobalt prawn
#

yay ok

winter wind
cobalt prawn
#

ok thx

#

i think im spam tapping ult too early or smth?

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dont have time to 3p

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OMG I GOT IT

#

oof not consistent

crystal rune
#

It’s harder on low fps

#

So there’s that

cobalt prawn
#

what do u guys mean by void..

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This frame?

gilded flint
#

Yea, around that

cobalt prawn
#

so I shouldn't spam press ult to cast it the instant it's up then

buoyant hornet
gilded flint
#

You can, but I just ping and ult right after once

winter wind
buoyant hornet
#

Ik kuro has issues responding to feedback but ig I'll at least try to do a bug report with video proof on lilith's red not working on mobs lol

#

Who knows maybe SOMEHOW they never recieved a report on it before

carmine reef
#

thank you for your feedback. we appreciate all our commandants reaching out to us. in response to your feedback, please see the following bugfix:

  1. lilith red orb fix now available in top-up shop
buoyant hornet
#

They just dropped a hotfix with 30 separate fixes and didn't fix a literal character like ok

winter wind
winter wind
#

so it's right next to R

#

that was just my keyboard setup already before learning sp delay for liv so it was convenient

#

It's really easy to do it every time

#

unless you're controller EvilLiv

pearl solstice
#

Who to pick in s rank selector banner

#

Crepuscule?

median spade
#

sure

winter wind
#

Depends on invest

pearl solstice
#

Or is there better alternative

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Ss rank

winter wind
#

I mean like your acc invest

#

don't ask me though

#

I'm not confident in the info I can give you xd

median spade
#

are you missing any other ss3’s fork

buoyant hornet
cobalt prawn
#

VERY hectic tapping is happening to my screen

winter wind
pearl solstice
#

I don't miss anyone

#

Gotta be a dupe I can use

winter wind
cobalt prawn
#

Thankfully I only have to do it once per rot

#

Im not super consistent yet the timing is hard

#

I struggled less w SSS bonka tbh

median spade
#

what ss3’s do you have fork

winter wind
#

add a usb dongle to connect your phone to a keyboard EvilLiv

cobalt prawn
#

I’m on an iPad

#

But yes

#

That could work

#

But I’d have to relearn the controls…

pearl solstice
buoyant hornet
#

for ss3 dupes from A rank banner selector rn: Nanami > Selena >= Crepuscule > Geiravor

winter wind
#

yea I'm just joking gl with trying to do that on ipad certainly takes more skill than what I'm doing

buoyant hornet
#

Ishmael is also an option but eh

winter wind
#

We have no confirmation yet on whether future units will be phylotree limited too so

pearl solstice
#

Most of my characters are ss0

#

@@median spade

pearl solstice
median spade
#

refer to feyer prio

pearl solstice
#

Is it cuz of liv

median spade
#

nana the best

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that’s why

#

i wanna s+ my stigmata with the standard selector

pearl solstice
#

Wait ur iunoKareninaGasp

median spade
#

yes i like iuno

#

that’s wife NODDERS

pearl solstice
crystal rune
#

Wrong wife

buoyant hornet
# pearl solstice Wait why Nanami over the rest

It's a high value ss3 mainly because she herself is a versatile high value unit used in many teams (ss3 gives her 10% more shred, double dmg on hold basic slam which is an already hugely damaging move, double dmg on backflip explosion move after holding yellow in ignition, double ignition stacks)

pearl solstice
#

Wtf

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Ok

#

Ss3 then

#

Why is she so powerful

peak halo
buoyant hornet
#

Her ss3 doesn't give any rotation changes but it's high value because of how it affects her shred and dmg values as well as ignition stacks (veronica works well with higher burn stacks because she makes them into explosion ticks instead of small dmg btw)

buoyant hornet
pearl solstice
#

Plus I heard she isn't a lot better than alisa

#

Is that true

winter wind
#

you can select veronica after next patch

#

cause selector is 2 patches behind

peak pumice
winter wind
#

excluding liv cause she's phylotree

pearl solstice
#

Alisa is cuter tho

#

Oh right I'm in meta help

winter wind
#

alisa still used in glac team

peak halo
#

Ss0 vero = sss alisa in phys

buoyant hornet
formal radish
#

My bad

winter wind
buoyant hornet
round lake
#

Vero is very helpful, thanks to skipping her that I got Liv SSS

winter wind
#

what are the team scores rn? It's like ice is lowest and how far behind is phys?

pearl solstice
#

Ignition with nanami

formal radish
round lake
#

Highest Darkflow 26m
Lowest Ice 12m

buoyant hornet
# pearl solstice Ohhh

btw if you echo is less than SSS then vero would still be an objective improvement regardless

crystal rune
#

Phys is higher than glacio from what I remember

peak pumice
#

I got Vero because I skipped Dante. Was a good decision though since we have good ignition substitutes. Meanwhile you're not doing Slash without Vergil

round lake
#

Phys 18m, higher than Glacio & Plasma

winter wind
#

oh damn nvm

#

I'm just biased cause I have to play hanying

buoyant hornet
#

Even more so if your hanying is r1, veronica allows hanying to run shred reso instead of DLT and she can do 1 rotation while veronica does 1 long rot

winter wind
#

feels like -3m score from that alone

crystal rune
#

Nah phys only gets better at equal invest

round lake
#

Although we're talking about max invest because Vero is mostly dogshjt at low invest compare to a well invested Alisa

crystal rune
#

333 vs 333

pearl solstice
#

Is physical the weakest again

nova forum
winter wind
round lake
#

Phys worst team with a full gen 3 setup

pearl solstice
#

Ohh ice

buoyant hornet
#

nergi do you have videos of lilith red orb clearly whiffing on mobs

pearl solstice
#

How strong is liv

crystal rune
#

I don’t

#

Surprisingly

pearl solstice
#

Liv is lighting right

winter wind
buoyant hornet
#

Trying to submit a bug report and collecting as many obvious videos as I can

crystal rune
#

I have one where alpha stuns me completely tho

#

But Ig that’s a feature

#

Not a bug

round lake
#

Liv is the second strongest attacker I think, at max invest

crystal rune
#

How second

crystal rune
#

Shes definitely just the strongest

buoyant hornet
# pearl solstice Liv is lighting right

Yeah ss0 liv is looking pretty disappointing rn but that might change if we get a new gen lightning amp (or if you have sss feral/ishmael for some reason)

round lake
#

I wanna say Midianca should be second but to bring Dark to nearly 21m with Daren is the biggest feat I've seen

pearl solstice
#

Damn

buoyant hornet
#

Currently ss0 liv swap with nanami is really disappointing under gen 2 amp class passive values at ss0

pearl solstice
#

If I boost her further would she be good

round lake
#

One new Dark Tank even dealing zero damage could bring Dark to the strongest team easily

pearl solstice
#

Like ss3

peak halo
winter wind
#

SS3 is super good on liv

buoyant hornet
steady otter
#

under sss is non human

round lake
#

Liv is strongest overall because she's good at all invest

pearl solstice
#

Is it like 2x better

winter wind
#

kuso games been gatekeeping a lot of the kit at SS3, liv bianca etc. Vera was like the last really good at SS0

round lake
#

Midianca trash below SSS

crystal rune
buoyant hornet
pearl solstice
#

Hmm

buoyant hornet
#

Like a lot better

pearl solstice
#

Ss3 huh

#

So need one more copy

#

That's 25k?

peak pumice
#

Dianca is so cracked at SSS WTF Kuro

round lake
#

I fcking hate Midianca

pearl solstice
#

💳 use this

round lake
#

I should've skipped that bjtch

peak pumice
pearl solstice
#

Isn't Nanami the most worth

round lake
#

Although it's either her or stay with Lilith semi solo which are both trash choices

#

Cringe

crystal rune
#

Or go sss

#

Like a normal person

buoyant hornet
round lake
#

Playing Phys is more fun honestly

#

Fck Dark

buoyant hornet
#

so to ss3 her you need 30k total on normal banner assuming you don't get an early pull

nova forum
#

that's why you should pull on fate for guaranteed early

steady otter
#

pakyu

round lake
#

Fate is peak, 30k spent

peak halo
crystal rune
#

Whel

crystal rune
#

Oh wait you have s+ cw so could be 9/10/11

nova forum
#

goddamn whel these days

round lake
#

CW still meta fr fr

crystal rune
#

Nah

#

She’s worse than Luna

round lake
crystal rune
#

And Luna is off elementing

peak halo
peak halo
#

Fk u liv

crystal rune
nova forum
#

is rayd usable with ss0 crap

round lake
#

The sister of peak reign the meta 🔥 🔥 🔥

#

Liffu, Nana weak

pearl solstice
pearl solstice
#

So I only need one more no?

buoyant hornet
pulsar viper
#

Is glaciation or dark flow better for that war zone?

formal radish
#

Try both and see which one you score better on

nova forum
#

nobody been giving straight answer since monday

crystal rune
#

Since forever

nova forum
#

gotta wait until sunday bro

#

for that last second mald motivation

buoyant hornet
#

darkflow better unless your glacio is just a generally higher investment

opaque ridge
crystal rune
#

Proeieokwpaal

pulsar viper
cobalt prawn
#

@winter wind got it semi-consistently and got up to wave 40

#

(df)

#

8.56M hero hehe

pulsar viper
winter wind
#

are you ss3?

cobalt prawn
#

I think i missed it twice

#

but all other rots good

crystal rune
cobalt prawn
#

none of them are fully hypertuned either

#

because I'm very poor

#

in hypertune mats rn

winter wind
#

nj

#

yea I'm broke too

cobalt prawn
#

I think i could do wave 42 if ht

crystal rune
winter wind
#

Oh wow

limber yoke
#

ice amp radiance

winter wind
#

I really thought it would be rosetta ice amp

mighty tusk
crystal rune
#

Special shop like Lilith banner maybe Prayge

#

Free everything

limber yoke
#

spend min 5 rc

peak halo
#

Ohh ice amp teddy
So need to seen qu or wanhi how changing them rotations

round lake
#

Rejoice

#

Finally Ice is usable

buoyant hornet
steady otter
#

global beta when

#

global cc is just gimmick

buoyant hornet
cobalt prawn
#

sss wata + wanshi + teddy time?

#

hm ig wata makes no sense if wanshi sss alr anyway

#

maybe just... ayla teddy wanshi?

peak halo
#

Why want ayla when teddyWorryCommandant

hard sparrow
#

Service shop? Is that the dorm?

peak halo
#

Maybie but should be like lilith banner

round lake
#

Not Dorm

#

Probably Lilith style

#

Or so I hope

peak halo
zealous oxide
#

Free!?

hard sparrow
cobalt prawn
#

Omg teddy is dorm shop unit

peak halo
#

Bruh pgr became less f2p frendly every patch

cobalt prawn
#

Ahhhhhhh

#

Asdihoashdjosauidjsoahdoas

hard sparrow
cobalt prawn
#

Well not dorm shop but free like Lilith

peak halo
#

Should be

cobalt prawn
#

I hope she’s strong like lilick

round lake
#

Ofcourse free in voucher

#

Time to make her SSS(Can't do)

#

Not for first week atleast

hard sparrow
crystal rune
winter wind
#

what are the average scores you guys have seen, if any, for 2.332.3 df wz

cold walrus
round lake
#

Fak whel

fresh cairn
cold walrus
#

No more shukra in wz it's win guys