why guinevere 
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simple dew
sterile seal
why guinevere <:LivSussybaka:860803752822833162>
huh?
dim oriole
dlt for tanks and amps i think its axial ray thats what i have on my feral
sterile seal
why not?
dim oriole
except lilith she needs dlt
sterile seal
do you have any other meta fire charas
im gonna pull for lucia pyroath so i would have one
tight marten
anyone got darkflow team rota with CW? my liv is still S
also if i use CW in darkflow, what will be her build?
simple dew
anyone got darkflow team rota with CW? my liv is still S
get liv to ss and ditch cw permanently
fallen sandal
except lilith she needs dlt
what about new liv? what r1 does she need??
dim oriole
anyone got darkflow team rota with CW? my liv is still S
i used mine on S iit still worked fine tbh
tight marten
get liv to ss and ditch cw permanently
prolly next week, cant SS rn
dim oriole
what about new liv? what r1 does she need??
dlt
tight marten
i used mine on S iit still worked fine tbh
oh ok, whats the team rotation in that case?
dim oriole
oh ok, whats the team rotation in that case?
starter wata swap to vera her normal rotation but hold ult then liv does her regulat rotation and back to wata his normal but hold ult
simple dew
youre better off doing just wata + vera over cw
viscid cave
soo.. is Vera did more damage for darkflow or Wata if they equal.
i'll use wata 3S wit battlon + qte and vera use hervor and cottie. they only reach 4.5m
my team is 311 2.311 211
tight marten
starter wata swap to vera her normal rotation but hold ult then liv does her reg...
thanks, is the liv rota doable with 5*? ill hopefully get her sig this week
dim oriole
thanks, is the liv rota doable with 5*? ill hopefully get her sig this week
since she's S i did 1 rotation
with her sig u can do 2 rotations but idk if it worth it with S
simple dew
soo.. is Vera did more damage for darkflow or Wata if they equal.
i'll use wata...
where liv 
warm stirrup
yo im using ish for lightning whats the build for her
tight marten
since she's S i did 1 rotation
alright
dim oriole
thanks, is the liv rota doable with 5*? ill hopefully get her sig this week
i did 2 rotations vera 1 liv 1 wata
i had deconstruct on wata
simple dew
yo im using ish for lightning whats the build for her
4 dv 4 guin if amp
warm stirrup
4 dv 4 guin if amp
huh still the same with 21
viscid cave
with her sig u can do 2 rotations but idk if it worth it with S
liv 4 poin 4 cottie
dim oriole
liv 4 poin 4 cottie
whats poin
viscid cave
wrong ping sorry
dim oriole
lmao
viscid cave
where liv <:AlphaNeko:862944454833995786>
liv 4 poin 4 cottie
warm stirrup
liv 4 poin 4 cottie
4 bathlon 4 cottie do more but sure
dim oriole
bambi>qu
warm stirrup
wait really?
yep, poin do lesser score
tight marten
well damn
dim oriole
i harmonised poin bruhh
on the brightside its just a harmony not a resonance lol
i harmonised my wata like 4 times 😭
tight marten
oh wait i meant hypertuned. i cant harmonise cuz no sig
tight marten
rip my hypertune mats
warm stirrup
on SSS nat is straight up better
dim oriole
i just ran out on liv so hanying has to wait
viscid cave
on SSS nat is straight up better
me just SS sadly,i though use 4 poin is better. and battlon just shred
well gonna try glacio first
warm stirrup
yeah wata cant hold bathlon so we gotta wait for new tank
viscid cave
wata still qte bot i guess. but we lack of darkflow damage dealer. and they expensive
vera is good from begining, but doesn't have damage when reach 15 wave
warm stirrup
should i ditch feral entirely for ish?
simple dew
wata still qte bot i guess. but we lack of darkflow damage dealer. and they expe...
liv ?
viscid cave
liv <:LivSussybaka:860803752822833162> ?
you can't solo liv in the end
warm stirrup
why do you want to solo an affix
aura
turbid sinew
I tried using 4 nat 2 cot 2 poin and this is the results
viscid cave
yeah... i stay with glacio then.
it did more damage.
viscid cave
well maybe because Glacio is friendly team
zenith thorn
I tried using 4 nat 2 cot 2 poin and this is the results
i can tell you that's pretty low
crystal rune
Did you ununinstall
turbid sinew
i can tell you that's pretty low
well it's SS0 team can't do much 
turbid sinew
zenith thorn
full potential isnt figured out yet
viscid cave
well it's SS0 team can't do much <:LunaDepressed:969258451727429702>
glacio SS can do 7m
well Wanshi and Alisa is 3S, but they free at least
noble zinc
solo ss3 liv 2s nana ish
peak halo
Sss solo nana score
zenith thorn
Where wave 39 wtf
just 1 more reset
peak halo
Sadly my liv fast handly get sss
Before i get the idea test ss0 liv my habd clicked
simple dew
does pyros qte bomb increase at sss
noble zinc
just 1 more reset
It's easy yes expect bij sometimes goes to the other side of map
core hits nothing
zenith thorn
have you tried just 1 more reset
noble zinc
limber yoke
does pyros qte bomb increase at sss
yes
wind plover
has anyone tried 4 pc natasha and 4 pc heisen on liv?
young badge
glacio on boss???
young badge
I can definitely go higher
is that boss?
mighty tusk
ripe stag
is that boss?
Yea
crystal rune
Pwo pls do my glacio
mighty tusk
is that boss?
lightning, glacio and darkflow boss
young badge
glacio boss peak
mighty tusk
Pwo pls do my glacio
ok whel
frank jungle
So how's Liv now HEISEN vs Natasha?
ripe stag
WHY IS DARKFLOW SHRED SO ASS
noble zinc
ripe stag
<:LamiaReplaced:1380172366541357127>
Do mine
noble zinc
Gimme legn plz
young badge
wtf sea gb lineup is crazy
mighty tusk
But it same invest as you :vailozbomayeobietnoijluon:
huh? just use darkflow
eager oasis
doing the new ppc boss and somehow nanami outdoes liv
how
faint monolith
Not bad
quiet vale
Why does Liv's 2nd slam ult does no darkflow damage ?
eager oasis
Why does Liv's 2nd slam ult does no darkflow damage ?
did you start with over 10 stacks of DF?
quiet vale
did you start with over 10 stacks of DF?
The 1st ult yes but the 2nd one it droped to 5
chilly trail
Fk i accidentally upgrade ss3 liv, i want to try ss0 first
quiet vale
did you start with over 10 stacks of DF?
The darkflow gauge drop from 15 to 5 after ult 1
eager oasis
SS feral w/o sig VS SS ishmael with sig for lightning team?
still moat
The darkflow gauge drop from 15 to 5 after ult 1
she consumes 10 DF after ult1
so its normal
wtf no more cooldown
peak halo
So how can 2 rot with her?
quiet vale
she consumes 10 DF after ult1
so do I just use 1 ult on liv and swap out ?
daring abyss
1 of her abilities gives 6 stacks
still moat
So how can 2 rot with her?
have to start with long rot
still moat
so do I just use 1 ult on liv and swap out ?
no, liv generates 12 stacks with long rot
quiet vale
damn got baited by spider 2b again
still moat
what did he do this time
quiet vale
he said you could short ult into long ult for SS3
still moat
are u sure he is not saying that for lightning
quiet vale
for darkflow
still moat
give me timestamp
peak halo
have to start with long rot
Sss is can be done under 10s
cuz i felt i done slow the long rot
still moat
thats long rot into short rot
eager oasis
SS3 prio?
Vera - Ishmael - Solacetune - Bianca?
still moat
oh this part
eager oasis
alrdy own ss3 nanami, lucia and selena
uneven linden
Yeah that's not a thing for darkflow
upbeat orchid
Last week, I was in 8th place in Hero, and had 1/2 reputation.
Today, I'm still in Hero with 1/2 reputation.
How is it possible I wasn't demoted?!
still moat
upbeat orchid
Did my Merit get consumed instead of my Reputation...?
I didn't have 2 reputation though
I had 1
I still have 1
cedar vapor
which one should i use for liv ss rank + sig
uneven linden
Core
peak halo
I still have 1
But u get a another cuz had scores
quiet vale
i dont think he knows DF liv cant do that
thanks I have been doing short ult to long ult wondering why I do no damage on 2nd ult
upbeat orchid
Huh, alright, awesome :D
There's Darkflow Affix in the new Warzone and I don't have the Hypertune Crystals for the three Darkflow builds lol fml
Also I'm missing just two shards from SSS Watanabe: Epitath
peak halo
There's Darkflow Affix in the new Warzone and I don't have the Hypertune Crystal...
Only needs 2 df wata same as fire
upbeat orchid
Oh I don't need to rebuild Epitath for Darkflow?! Nice.
uneven linden
Core for under sss
Sig for sss or higher
peak halo
Oh I don't need to rebuild Epitath for Darkflow?! Nice.
If the df build not changed which i know then no need
cedar vapor
what resonance first?
fallen sandal
Core for under sss
Sig for sss or higher
what does her core do
uneven linden
Everything that's not ult
fallen sandal
but signature works too i heard that
uneven linden
I mean, if you don't care about minmax either works
pulsar shell
what resonance first?
Dlt for fast 2x ult rotation (ss3 preferably ) or glorious afterglow for dmg. I would chose glorious afterglow
dawn cloak
but signature works too i heard that
If youve seen her ult dmg ..... yea lol 
Also if SS3, it buffs core dmg even more
graceful summit
What's the situation with Fran heisen liv?
I got a spare hypertuned Fran and I want to save ht mats
fallen sandal
If youve seen her ult dmg ..... yea lol <:EvilLiv:976915741888626738>
Also if S...
oh ok i thought i made a mistake
cedar vapor
Dlt for fast 2x ult rotation (ss3 preferably ) or glorious afterglow for dmg. I ...
i have ss
frank jungle
Gays I have SS0 sig Luna leaped so it tried warzone but it seems like my score went lower than unleaped luna
https://huaxu.app/ap/players/26887799/characters
I blame the skin
pulsar shell
i have ss
Glorious afterglow I guess. U can swap weapon resonances any time it’s not a permanent thing.
crystal rune
better not to use her at all
formal radish
Just use an amplifier
stable terrace
Like 4davinci 4guinevere?
i like this
formal radish
Well you do you then
stable terrace
better not to use her at all
nah i did not build my ishamel as support nor did luna
formal radish
Ok so you have ishmael and luna
stable terrace
so i aint using lilith for nihil
formal radish
Really even wanshi is better here
Nanami
Like even a gen 2 amp
Ayla
Feral
Empy
stable terrace
...just how worse is she
uneven linden
Teddy ain't doing anything in void
formal radish
She's almost the worst possible option
Her being "nihil" barely puts her above some other healers and ofcourse the gen 1 tanks
But that's an extremely, extremely, extremely low bar
She also isn't good at dealing nihil damage at all so even that advantage is useless
round lake
Teddy is a fraud ass Nihil unit
formal radish
If you don't have ishmael or luna but you do have teddy for a nihil zone, just use your strongest team
formal radish
Yeah
crystal rune
That’s all
stable terrace
well i thought she would a good as a qte in nhil
round lake
Nihil is already fraud as an element
Disruption is a fraud ass affix
And combine that with Teddy, you got a triple fraudness Nihil unit
stable terrace
Labeled with nihil
ok this got me
formal radish
well i thought she would a good as a qte in nhil
No
deft apex
She also isn't good at dealing nihil damage at all so even that advantage is use...
She isn't "good at dealing nihil dmg" because she is literally incapable of doing so
formal radish
Idk I don't play teddy
uneven linden
Would you even see a difference between using teddy or b liv
deft apex
She's completely dark except for a small line on her qte I believe
round lake
well i thought she would a good as a qte in nhil
Switch Lilith mem to 4 Guin 4 DV
formal radish
She's better than using a physical unit
uneven linden
I literally forgot what ele b liv was
crystal rune
Physieoeel
formal radish
She's physical "element"
stable terrace
Switch Lilith mem to 4 Guin 4 DV
basically to support build
round lake
Yes
stable terrace
slender scarab
Damn, overseer already made its appearance while chiko still hasn't made her debut yet
zenith thorn
so i aint using lilith for nihil
just use lillith
teddy isnt even doing void dmg
shes 99% dark
faint monolith
Nihil in name
faint monolith
<:KareninaGasp:910236491362488370>
Does this invest justify this score or it should be higher
zenith thorn
500w is low
crystal rune
Why is nana on dlt
zenith thorn
do nana really need dlt
crystal rune
No
faint monolith
Cuz I just gave it to her
karmic anvil
zenith thorn
add cub to liv too
faint monolith
Guys let me keep it for a bit she didn't had a resos on weap until 30 minutes ago
round lake
Kekw they removed Chiko from achievements
faint monolith
add cub to liv too
Wat do I give her 
zenith thorn
lightning cubs
karmic anvil
Kekw they removed Chiko from achievements
white oriole
How is Nana 3S vs Liv SS3
faint monolith
Huh why would remove Nana's cub off of Nana
faint monolith
deft apex
Ss3 nana and ss liv do I just solo
crystal rune
How is Nana 3S vs Liv SS3
Whel going for ss3
zenith thorn
i think you should uninstall
white oriole
Whel going for ss3
I got lucky
crystal rune
i think you should uninstall
Pilot my uninstall pls
zenith thorn
Pilot my uninstall pls
ok
crystal rune
I got lucky
You get lucky with everything
zenith thorn
i charge you account
crystal rune
faint monolith
i think you should uninstall
white oriole
Ayo no timer?
deft apex
i charge you account
Ok u can charge it already I'll give credentials later
zenith thorn
Ok u can charge it already I'll give credentials later <:EvilLiv:976915741888626...
ok give me your account
deft apex
No u coda me
white oriole
Ok u can charge it already I'll give credentials later <:EvilLiv:976915741888626...
Fabio how do you know there is another hidden achievement in the story btw 
zenith thorn
no
deft apex
Fabio how do you know there is another hidden achievement in the story btw <:swt...
My secret eye never lies...
faint monolith
Why give lifu Nana's cub when I can pull hers already
Oh damn am 4 pulls short
Eh I'll just use BC
ripe stag
6 mins 30 seconds of nihil warzone
deft apex
Fabio how do you know there is another hidden achievement in the story btw <:swt...
But u are right, it might be a scrapped achievement
ripe stag
No wonder my hands hurt
deft apex
Lilith had a clearly obtainable but scrapped achievement too
white oriole
@crystal rune What is SS3 Liv rot?
Swap in > Hold Dodge > Ult > Matrix Ping > 4p > Hold Basic > Ult > 6p > Hold Dodge > ... > Swap back to Nanami?
trim apex
Lol I guess I’ll be second
white oriole
Who's the tc
trim apex
Btw is this you or are you pilot
crystal rune
Btw is this you or are you pilot<:LuciaPlan:1433251736612769873>
I’m the pilot it’s xeno’s account
white oriole
Alright I won't do anything today then 
Actually I can do the other PPC and Nihil WZ
ripe stag
<@565857097753821214> What is SS3 Liv rot?
Swap in > Hold Dodge > Ult > Matrix P...
Initial rot
- swap in > hold dodge > ult > hold dodge > ult > swap out
2nd rot onwards
- swap in > hold dodge > ult > hold dodge > ult > 2x 3p > hold dodge > ult > 3p blue > 4x White > hold white till slash > ult > swap out
Basic rot for SS3 and above Liffu
You can do a bit faster with 4x 3p instead of 2x 3p > hold dodge
Let me rest my hands now
They are tired
Been trying out rots since reset
faint monolith
keen meteor
LOL
faint monolith
crystal rune
Too whel for windbell
rough mica
faint monolith
Wait if SS3 Lifu is pleb territory
faint monolith
What does that make SS0 Lifu
faint monolith
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/936952109612552192.gif?size=48&animated=true&n...
Am NOT stealing this one
peak halo
Ss0 liv cant 600k overseer or how called
faint monolith
She can't?
analog mango
Epitaph Darkflow build?
noble zinc
WHY THIS CONS EXIST
Do SS3 
faint monolith
Haven't tried bro yet
analog mango
Epitaph Darkflow build?
SSS+ btw
faint monolith
How much health does overseer have
crystal rune
34m
faint monolith
Damn
peak halo
She can't?
Donno but windbell say she why exist then can be that the case
faint monolith
crystal rune
Cw dshit carry
peak halo
And s feral
faint monolith
Kuso releasing first ever limited unit and after 6 years and she's mid
peak halo
Ss is always mid wdym
limber yoke
hi everyone im stuck with the new boss with ss0 liv
omaigotto its the dalao acaxi
tender tapir
how do you do selena rotation without cottie in glaciation team ?
faint monolith
Ye but I mean you'd expect a change since girl's truly limited
rough mica
omaigotto its the dalao acaxi
omg its the naively dalao
peak halo
Comper to sss
But how power scaled highly the graph get higher
rough mica
i watched ur ss sheet ref
pulsar shell
Cuz darkflow is the weakest affix
steady otter
@rough mica how much score did u get ?
ripe stag
<@266607213152436225> how much score did u get ?
Let me ask one thing
Can liffu even do 20 bars of damage alone?
rough mica
thinking ways to do chaos and hell
ripe stag
thinking ways to do chaos and hell
2 rots + QTE ain't working?
rough mica
222 122 111
rough mica
2 rots + QTE ain't working?
wdym ss0 where qte dmg
steady otter
Send vid
echo current
So whats the verdict for liv's build?
ripe stag
don't tell me it's bad
echo current
Heisen>sig?
ripe stag
ripe stag
So whats the verdict for liv's build?
4 Heisen 4 Cottie
echo current
Holy ass
echo current
I heard that non hypertuned heisen is better?
steady otter
Let me ask one thing
Can liffu even do 20 bars of damage alone?
Im doing liv solo
So 30 bar
echo current
I heard that non hypertuned heisen is better?
@ripe stag this true tho?
ripe stag
she can solo forever with sig
No i mean on overseer
How many bars within like 20s ?
ripe stag
<@753199617943797780> this true tho?
That can't be true
You are gonna miss around 12% EDB
steady otter
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/865899693468418049/1199236675470118982/...
Bruh i got 15
222 111
echo current
crystal rune
Wor 15 knight??
echo current
Wait if I salvage nat memories that has been hypertuned do I get resources back?
crystal rune
rough mica
i guess u used 21
steady otter
Ye
limber yoke
Glaciation better
it is
limber yoke
selena can everything
ur wife
zenith thorn
hi everyone im stuck with the new boss with ss0 liv
hi everyone im stuck with the new boss with ss0 liv
tight marten
my sigless wata holds 4alphonse2eins
zenith thorn
is there any help
rose yew
hi everyone im stuck with the new boss with ss0 liv
rough mica
why windbell hasnt uploaded a vid yet
radiant night
I'm adjusting the team setups and currently I'm adjusting ultima-slash team, for SS3 hanying + dlt, what harmony shall she use? oh and the 2-piece set in the memo as well
crystal rune
Windbell getting old
zenith thorn
windbell is lazy
crystal rune
:bomaychiuroiday:
rose yew
Windbell preparing for miku expo in two days 
tight marten
what should be vera's darkflow build? my wata has 4alphonse2eins, liv will have 4bath4cot
fresh plover
On the same note, has anyone figured out the optimal sets yet for darkflow
crystal rune
ok
rough mica
cháo
crystal rune
echo current
My glacio scored better than df 💔
sterile wasp
guys who should i get for the blue ticket check thing? i have the alpha team and i pulled limpidity pianissimo and oblivion
hazy sandal
what is vera's darkflow build?
4guin 2dolf (2poin or 2eins) for sss+
4guin 2dolf 2eins for sss0 ~ sss6
sterile wasp
guys who should i get for the blue ticket check thing? i have the alpha team and...
and i have alisa echo and lilith
tight marten
4guin 2dolf (2poin or 2eins) for sss+
4guin 2dolf 2eins for sss0 ~ sss6
ss0 :( :(
hazy sandal
Still ongoing
tight marten
np
fresh plover
4guin 2dolf (2poin or 2eins) for sss+
4guin 2dolf 2eins for sss0 ~ sss6
It's so funny that the turbowhale sets got figured out before the normal ones
crystal rune
Because 90% of cn is sss-sss+
tight marten
damn
peak halo
dawn cloak
It's so funny that the turbowhale sets got figured out before the normal ones
Cuz he whelz
fresh plover
Because 90% of cn is sss-sss+
CN isn't ahead anymore tho
dawn cloak
~~ also more whelz ~~
tight marten
how much of the playerbase is CN tho? im curious
above 50% for sure but how much exactly
dawn cloak
Around 10x
If going by huaxu database
tight marten
holy
peak halo
Not like us pleb gbl players
fresh plover
Also what exactly is darkflow rotation anyway
shy loom
Guys, why my liv(sss) with 4 nat 4 cot do better than 4 heisen 4 cot in lightning wz(43waves compare to 41w). I thought nat do better only in sss+ ?
dawn cloak
Guys, why my liv(sss) with 4 nat 4 cot do better than 4 heisen 4 cot in lightnin...
SSS still debatable tbh
Need more testing
tight marten
is there a chart of some sort i can refer to for all optimal team builds?
carmine reef
builds are very fluid
dawn cloak
~~ so its not solid ~~
carmine reef
there isn't a single optimal build for every team setup because it can differ based on character invest, zone, weapon setups, etc
dawn cloak
is there a chart of some sort i can refer to for all optimal team builds?
Teddy bot soon
Just keep praying
carmine reef
better off just asking here on a case-by-case basis
tight marten
understandable
carmine reef
randall did you do the sothless ish last week
faint monolith
is there a chart of some sort i can refer to for all optimal team builds?
Setsu sheet
carmine reef
setsu only lists builds by individual char
it's not as comprehensive when it comes to builds that change based on the teammates
tight marten
Setsu sheet
will check it ty
faint monolith
it's not as comprehensive when it comes to builds that change based on the teamm...
carmine reef
classic migu
peak halo
rose yew
Solon it’s been 8 months please give me access back
graceful summit
Huh
How did that even happen
fresh plover
Wait
Liv SHOULDN'T use her signature set?
formal radish
Huh
How did that even happen
Troll
carmine reef
maybe close to two years even, idk
graceful summit
Wait
Liv SHOULDN'T use her signature set?
Yeah
She use heisen for lightning
peak halo
I guess more than a year
faint monolith
fresh plover
Yeah
She use heisen for lightning
Ffs
rose yew
All I did was create damage graphs
formal radish
Looks like you just spent 4 precious memories worth of hypertunes huh
fresh plover
Is nanami ss3 still on heisen too?
rose yew
I help people
peak halo
Ss3 cw blue bar1
carmine reef
i also ht'd my natasha but it's no sweat, it'll have use in ppc
formal radish
I help people
July 37
carmine reef
well
tight marten
Yeah
She use heisen for lightning
i hypertuned poin for darkflow, turns out bathlon is better
i hypertuned nat for lightning, now it turns out heisen is better
life is great man
carmine reef
maybe it is a problem for people who were super poor on ht mats and blew the little they had on natasha
graceful summit
i hypertuned poin for darkflow, turns out bathlon is better
i hypertuned nat for...
🧱
carmine reef
i hypertuned poin for darkflow, turns out bathlon is better
i hypertuned nat for...
you can still use your poincare
just put bath harmo
faint monolith
maybe it is a problem for people who were super poor on ht mats and blew the lit...
Plebs ain't got rights
hazy sandal
Also what exactly is darkflow rotation anyway
Just in case.
Full 2times red strike exit
formal radish
Im at samgyeop rn ts fire
fresh plover
Honestly the liv part was the only part that was clear to me, that's just double full ult no
hazy sandal
Yes simple
But there is a one magic when it comes to ss3 or higher
When trying this
tight marten
is your vera using hervor?
hazy sandal
No
tight marten
ohk
fresh plover
is your vera using hervor?
Cottie and dlt i think
fast vortex
is liv running 4 piece heisen? probably been asked 20000 times so I apologize
hazy sandal
I assume this vera rot doesn't work at low investment?
For low rank vera, hervor can be a one of the options to prolong 3 ult
dawn cloak
That Vera too many orbs
Haxxx
Whel haxx
fresh plover
is liv running 4 piece heisen? probably been asked 20000 times so I apologize
Seemingly better atm
hazy sandal
But not finalized yet
fast vortex
Seemingly better atm
I see, thxs
fresh plover
For low rank vera, hervor can be a one of the options to prolong 3 ult
Why do you need 3 ult anyway
So you don't have to switch in wata past the original rotation?
dawn cloak
Wata no dmg even at SSS
dawn cloak
sss wata deals 0 dmg in darkflow
Not zero, but just too low
carmine reef
if you have sss wata it's probably not the worst thing in the world to swap to him for a couple seconds i think
fresh plover
Why the opening ult for wata, do you need the first darkflow stacks for something specific?
carmine reef
i feel like hervor is only the play if you have below sss wata
simple dew
Not zero, but just too low
vera does more dmg even without shred
dawn cloak
Last time I tried in dummy, Vera SS0 5* dmg is equal to SSS Wata
Like its so lmaoo
And we know how bad Vera 5* dmg is
simple dew
5* then idk
carmine reef
Why the opening ult for wata, do you need the first darkflow stacks for somethin...
needs to be initialized to darkflow mode so he does df shred
but he can stay in that mode for the rest of the run
fresh plover
Lmfao
carmine reef
so theoretically you don't need to swap to him again
dawn cloak
Wata leap is to finalized him being qte bot
fresh plover
Also someone really gotta learn me the proper timings for vera cancels because i cannot get those to work
rose yew
~~ but Daren is immortal ~~
fresh plover
My rotation is too slow :(
rose yew
Get better fingers nya
formal radish
I think I could still pull off a sub 10s vera 2rot
fresh plover
I know it's apparently possible to cancel hold ba but idk when it's optimal and how to do it properly
So generally i just cancel the first blue with dodge, second with ult and then the red pings too
carmine reef
you don't cancel the 2nd red with dodge
fresh plover
Im not sure if i do actually
carmine reef
after the 2nd red you hold ba, then once the animation stars you do the first dodge while still holding ba, then after a heartbeat you do the second dodge, also while still holding ba
basically you do two dodges while holding ba the whole time until ult2
fresh plover
Oh
Yeah no not gonna try tapping dodge while holding ba on mobile
carmine reef
mobile players no rights
fresh plover
I have the game installed on pc
I can't get used to controller controls
Or kbm controls
Ive spent like three hours and just gave up
graceful summit
basically you do two dodges while holding ba the whole time until ult2
I think I'm gonna redo my interface
carmine reef
if you cannot basic and dodge at the same time then yes you should consider a change
fresh plover
My phone does have two bumpers but im using those for qtes so that would just mess up my muscle memory
carmine reef
because that combination comes up across multiple characters
hazy sandal
if you have sss wata it's probably not the worst thing in the world to swap to h...
Yes
And if sp delay is successfully done for liv
Wata is able to appear onfield
fresh plover
Sp delay?
graceful summit
How the hell would it even work anyway
Putting dodge in upper right corner?
graceful summit
Maybe I'm gonna utilize the left side of the screen
keen sable
how is the liv testing going on
limber yoke
sp delay just right before ult2 presumably?
b4 ult2
carmine reef
is that for fully skipping hold dodge or does it let you do the hold dodge fast ult1
hazy sandal
sp delay just right before ult2 presumably?
At All core slash moments
Yeah I am aware you normally don’t watch the vids
carmine reef
fresh plover
Guys pretend like i didn't play this game since launch
What is sp delay
carmine reef
signature point delay
you ping orbs at almost the same time as you do an ult
such that you kind of bug the energy into carrying over into the next ult form
instead of overcapping
fresh plover
Oh i think i have done that on accident before, with CW
hazy sandal
And kuro is incapable to fix this bug
carmine reef
good
hazy sandal
It is now considered as a skill
carmine reef
sp delay is fun i hope it never gets fixed 
ornate zealot
guysss r2 ss3 nanami or r2 ss3 lilith?
carmine reef
probably lilith
fresh plover
How narrow is that window?
pulsar viper
Nanami better be meta for at least one more year used my blue banner on her 
ornate zealot
probably lilith
ahhh okay thanks!!
fresh plover
probably lilith
Nanami is applicable for more teams no
carmine reef
yes
pulsar viper
@carmine reef pre sync how long did characters last?
carmine reef
but the question wasn't getting nanami, it was getting them r2
hazy sandal
Like:
trying to explain as a superfast jiggling metronome would work but
fresh plover
Oh
carmine reef
nanami r2 is less relevant than lilith r2
fresh plover
Fair enough
carmine reef
<@82360936878313472> pre sync how long did characters last?
for glb it was like low 30 days and for cn it was closer to 40
crystal rune
Chatacters
pulsar viper
for glb it was like low 30 days and for cn it was closer to 40
I mean in the meta overall
carmine reef
oh
analog mango
2 years give or take
still moat
atleast 1 day
carmine reef
yeah well can't really compare pre sync to now because
affix makes "lasting in the meta" a really really messy question lol
pulsar viper
carmine reef
like consider that period of several months where balter was killed off in phys but still technically meta in ts except that ts was so bad that nobody was playing it
how do we treat that lol
pulsar viper
Actually with affix wouldn’t characters last even longer now that we aren’t in sync
formal radish
Does nanami field have 100% uptime?
carmine reef
that's what i'm saying, they "technically" last longer but it's a messy question
pulsar viper
Even if their main element gets replayed their affix will still make them usable
carmine reef
because they can be "technically" meta but affix teams are always in the optional entropic zone
so if they're bad enough they'll not get played anyway
just like balter era ts
pulsar viper
like consider that period of several months where balter was killed off in phys ...
Yeah good point about balter
carmine reef
affix will never be a main zone, there will always be another option
and if you're the worst affix team you will never be played
so is it really accurate to call that "in the meta" at that point
pulsar viper
Oh yeah affix is never the #1 option
Is there any affix that’s stronger than a main element
I think all the main elements are pretty strong now right
formal radish
Alot of them are no?
analog mango
Even if we ignore affix since it's mostly irrelevant outside of high ranks, the meta lifetime is typically 2 years
pulsar viper
well yeah affixes are usually stronger than main zone in wz
Oh nvm they have higher damage multipliers for affixes
carmine reef
the affix dps usually do yeah
the affix enablers usually have lower multipliers
makes affix gameplay so lopsided and asymmetrical
formal radish
Such wise talk
fresh plover
makes affix gameplay so lopsided and asymmetrical
Glaciation feels weird
The issue is that there isn't really an incentive for me to super sweat
carmine reef
you have to make your own incentive if you want to play the game long term
the game is really generous with all the ingame resources so eventually you'll just have an excess of everything
fresh plover
you have to make your own incentive if you want to play the game long term
The issue is that i already easily top hero and dont really stand a chance in legend
carmine reef
The issue is that i already easily top hero and dont really stand a chance in le...
top 6 legend
formal radish
The issue is that i already easily top hero and dont really stand a chance in le...
Yeah that's the f2p life
Just get top 6
carmine reef
that placement lets you bounce hero/legend
and it's easily achievable for low invest players
provided you actually want to try
fresh plover
Wait there is a difference between top 6 and bottom 3?
carmine reef
promoting 1st place from hero>legend gives +25 merit
demoting 3-6th from legend>hero gives +75 merit
fresh plover
Didn't even know there were merit differences woop
pulsar viper
The issue is that i already easily top hero and dont really stand a chance in le...
I have the invest to stay in legend but I’m too ass at malding wz 
carmine reef
so if you promote from hero in 1st and then demote from legend in top 6, you can immediately get back to legend after 1 hero round
simple dew
so if you promote from hero in 1st and then demote from legend in top 6, you can...
hug
huh
carmine reef
hug
simple dew
i thought u gotta spend 2 in hero
pulsar viper
When I’m in legend I just play wz for a min and then afk for weeklies
carmine reef
first you want to hug me then you want to choke me
fresh plover
So that's why i sometimes get up faster than other times
carmine reef
i'm beginning to think this guy has some sort of feelings for me
simple dew
keen sable
When I’m in legend I just play wz for a min and then afk for weeklies
same literally no reason to try
carmine reef
there is always a reason
and that reason is flexing your score in the punishing: gray raven official discord meta help channel so that you can tell people they should be scoring higher
surreal nest
play better
simple dew
wehl better
keen sable
ye send me sss units
pulsar viper
and that reason is flexing your score in the punishing: gray raven official disc...
I can’t just whale in peace sometimes
fresh plover
Is this correct for glaciation or should wanshi be on something else
pulsar viper
I sss units to not mald
carmine reef
tbh i've gotten close to 30m as an ss player if the lineup is perfect
pulsar viper
tbh i've gotten close to 30m as an ss player if the lineup is perfect
That’s actually insane
still moat
is that ss3 piano
simple dew
Is this correct for glaciation or should wanshi be on something else
wth are these cubs
pulsar viper
One day I’ll take the time to study wz
crystal rune
One day I’ll take the time to study wz
never
fresh plover
wth are these cubs
Don't have their actual cubs
carmine reef
Is this correct for glaciation or should wanshi be on something else
that's fine
go 4 klen selena though
fresh plover
Wait 4 klen?
pulsar viper
~~never~~
What if I just give up entirely to mald and have you pilot for me
For free
fresh plover
sss lingya?
I pulled it a lot
carmine reef
yes 4 klen
crystal rune
What if I just give up entirely to mald and have you pilot for me <:EvilLiv:9769...
In 6 months its a possibility
simple dew
i just keep 4 lingyas flying between different teams all the time
carmine reef
what the whel
i have one lingya i pass around like a sorority girl
i didn't even get a single lingya until like 8 months of playing
fresh plover
i just keep 4 lingyas flying between different teams all the time
No reason to, don't need cubs for norman and that's the only time you can't easily pass it around
carmine reef
hard times
pulsar viper
~~In 6 months its a possibility~~
If they somehow give a bigger incentive to mald that’s when I’ll learn
polar flame
how much difference (in terms of %) do hypertuning memories make?
Cause I am gatekeeping the memories before the best builds are given to them?
carmine reef
it's a pretty big difference
but its' also reasonable to wait until people have tested and confirmed the best builds
fresh plover
Do have two yuan ye bc didn't have cubs for the fire team at all
So i used both at the same time
polar flame
yeah, I did score 5 mil in my lightning wz
I'll wait and see how much I would get if liv is hypertuned
simple dew
like solo ss nana is 5m
carmine reef
they did say ss0 liv barely scores higher than nana solo
simple dew
~~they did say ss0 liv barely scores higher than nana solo~~
might be a small increase in scores but actually makes the team fun to play
carmine reef
strength being canon?
meanwhile hyperreal:
simple dew
instead of nanamis failure gameplay
carmine reef
~~might be a small increase in scores but actually makes the team fun to play~~
should've had sss cw
i did so i wouldn't have to deal with mindnumbing nanami solo forever
fresh plover
strength being canon?
meanwhile hyperreal:
Hyperreal was strong on release no
Or was that just bc fire was weak
formal radish
Hyperreal wasn't really strong even though fire was weak
carmine reef
even among the other attackers of his generation hyper was pretty underwhelming
opaque ridge
hyperreal in 2025
formal radish
even among the other attackers of his generation hyper was pretty underwhelming
Wasn't he the worst
carmine reef
probably
simple dew
should've had sss cw
was better to wait for her replacement than waste vouchers on her
formal radish
If lore strength was canon you'd spend all your money on hyperreal pyroath ishmael blah blah
simple dew
luna 
carmine reef
if you were f2p yeah but if you were bp buyer you should've had more than enough to use them on cw
opaque ridge
cya luna
formal radish
I guess Luna
fresh plover
I did get cw to sss
formal radish
Yeah I remember
fresh plover
My feral is still at ss3 tho
opaque ridge
congrats
carmine reef
and never will
simple dew
i have sss wanshi, lilick, wata and waiting till next char gets announced for ss3 luna
simple dew
make me a credit card
carmine reef
it's 5 rc
simple dew
make me a credit card
carmine reef
you don't need a credit card
fresh plover
make me a credit card
Paypal works, don't have credit card either
fresh plover
Its such a good tool to have tho
formal radish
Im gonna spend 5rc soon
feral patio
Yes
formal radish
And like some level stuff
simple dew
useless
carmine reef
this guy said useless
feral patio
Smh
formal radish
Idk if you're sarcastic rn
simple dew
he thinks luna dupe for one dollarino is useless
im talking about the rest of the deal
carmine reef
some people are just too far gone
simple dew
opaque ridge
why is luna free?
analog mango
By all technicality it is since her SSS+ is free via vouchers
But still a good deal if you're a spender
formal radish
It's just a dollar
simple dew
how many shards can i buy with 20k vouchers
carmine reef
"free via vouchers" mfs when they find out how to get the vouchers for anything more than 1 character per year:
analog mango
how many shards can i buy with 20k vouchers
At least 5
opaque ridge
not enough
analog mango
With or without discount?
simple dew
With or without discount?
with discount
fresh plover
By all technicality it is since her SSS+ is free via vouchers
But still a good d...
"free" there is an opportunity cost
And it's slow as hell if you arent buying the battlepasses
simple dew
pyro leap when
feral patio
Also doesn't help there won't be any more 3x patches
feral patio
How?
analog mango
Haven't used any since LD
feral patio
I envy your self-control
carmine reef
i have like 110k and i sure have used them
simple dew
how many patches are in a year
feral patio
I blew my vouchers on Wanshi and Lilith
simple dew
1 sss unit a year
simple dew
peak halo
simple dew
yeah like i said
what hurts the most is that you will have to wait 5 month to buy the chara you want on a discount 
fresh plover
For the rest i just do monthly pass and that's the only money i spend
simple dew
you get 20 discount per month right
analog mango
I envy your self-control
Well it's hard to spend vouchers when I have everyone or SSS+ already (like Epitaph), or I skipped them entirely (like Daemonissa)
Nothing to spend them on
simple dew
lilick
slender scarab
I'm holding my vouchers in case we get a new free s Rank soon
fresh plover
Well it's hard to spend vouchers when I have everyone or SSS+ already (like Epit...
Mr leviathan over here
keen sable
Well it's hard to spend vouchers when I have everyone or SSS+ already (like Epit...
skipping lilith damn
fresh plover
Thanks for keeping the game running
peak halo
Skipping in meta help
simple dew
I'm holding my vouchers in case we get a new free s Rank soon
nihil appears once a patch so im doing the same
carmine reef
damn bro is whel AND dumb
simple dew
upper grove
What is the meta unit for lightning and fire element?
carmine reef
What is the meta unit for lightning and fire element?
find meta teams sheet in pins
keen sable
my wata and luna will stay ss3 keep voucher for next unit
analog mango
skipping lilith damn
Oh you want to know how deep the pettiness goes?
You know the Bianca emote with the harp we got in the mail
I withheld using "claim all" for the entirety of the last patch just so that mail could expire, so I could skip getting that emote
keen sable
Oh you want to know how deep the pettiness goes?
You know the Bianca emote with ...
meanwhile me regret pulling liv
keen sable
simple dew
damn its just an emote
analog mango
meanwhile me regret pulling liv
And people call me crazy for asking them to run some tests for me smh my head
I don't want to make a mistake
analog mango
damn its just an emote
Counterargument I don't like Bianca
carmine reef
he said "i don't want to make a mistake" seconds after admitting to willingly skipping the free dark dps
feral patio
Real
analog mango
Daren Parhelion CW
carmine reef
jsakofhjaskldfhlashdfklashfkladhfklahsdfkhahahahahahasldkfhasdf
simple dew
carmine reef
carmine reef
peak
uneven linden
Nothing to spend them *on*
Buy shards for chars you already have at sss+
Trade that in for new char shards
simple dew
im speechless ngl
analog mango
Buy shards for chars you already have at sss+
Trade that in for new char shards
That's what I'm thinking
analog mango
im speechless ngl
I can one up that
uneven linden
I'm unironically doing that
carmine reef
this is like the second coming of patton rozen guy
analog mango
I have a list of characters I don't like
It's kinda long
Playable only
It's longer than the list of characters I do like
keen sable
peak halo
Not said that mestermind backup player
My ptsd is on
feral patio
If one of them is Selena then I'm blocking you lmao
analog mango
Not last Anime Expo in LA but the one before that
And before that? Idk like 5-6 years ago?
carmine reef
zamn
keen sable
If one of them is Selena then I'm blocking you lmao
u can block me
analog mango
If one of them is Selena then I'm blocking you lmao
||Yes ||
keen sable
selena is trash
opaque ridge
selena is trash
dim oriole
does the glaciation team have different builds than their normal ones?
peak halo
I skipped daren balter
Get them latter
Both just why not
feral patio
carmine reef
wanshi is the same because it's same base element, other than switching to class reso
the others ofc they are different, physical is completely different
wait i just realized since this is the first boss zone glacio has ever gotten, i can finally use eins in glacio 
dim oriole
man i didnt even build alisa since she came out
feral pollen
wait it's dankflow and lightning wz this week 
time to build bathlon for liv limp dik
analog mango
As for dark team
I skipped Laurel, Tenebrion, Cappuccino, Daemonissa, and Crepuscule
Am I missing anyone?
analog mango
That's Cappuccino
keen sable
thats just 1
analog mango
She only has 1 dark frame though?
keen sable
feral patio
What's your thoughts on Vera?
analog mango
She's on the list
simple dew
lucia?
feral patio
Bruh who do you like then?
simple dew
Bruh who do you like then?
cw and ishmael, list ends here probably
simple dew
nanami?
analog mango
ESPECIALLY Nanami
keen sable
i was a bianca enjoyer since release but now not anymore, its vera and ishmael now
nova forum
just be like me
analog mango
I didn't mind Bianca until Balter
nova forum
metaslave, no one to adore definitely not karen
round coral
🗿
round coral
I use my 1$ currency from google survey
keen sable
I didn't mind Bianca until Balter
balter was my fav for a long time
with plume frame
i dont like pyro lucia
analog mango
I used CA from 2021 until 2025
nova forum
feral patio
I like the lotus frame if only it wasn't shite
analog mango
Real
analog mango
Kinda unrelated to helping the meta 
but here's the list, since it's easier for me to list the characters I don't like than the ones I do, even though that list is shorter
||Lucia, Liv, Nanami, Bianca, Kamui, Ayla, Sophia, Vera, Changyu, Qu, Luna, Selena, No.21, Pulao, Haicma, Bambinata, Hanying, Noctis*, Lamia, Lilith, Jetavie, Discord, Veronica, A2, 2B, 9S||
analog mango
That's the dislike list
analog mango
I thought you were defending her playable design lol
formal radish
It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't Veronica
nova forum
ero momen
feral patio
Ehhh it should been like an FF Dragoon Knight
formal radish
But it is so it sucks
feral patio
Oh right lmao
analog mango
-# It's also better
dreamy pelican
I used CA from 2021 until 2025
analog mango
Hey look
opaque ridge
me too
formal radish
<:worgil:1367047497377251389>
I saw his teams once
analog mango
The guy that made me stop using VA
opaque ridge
CA > Virgil
dreamy pelican
CA > Virgil
lotus > ca
analog mango
CA > Virgil
Peak
young badge
who
carmine reef
cause you were awful at it
feral patio
As a Vergil enjoyer calling bs
analog mango
Oh boy here I go posting again
Tbf they aren't as bad as before
I remember my old dark team was Daren, Teddy, and Echo
carmine reef
it was
formal radish
I never showed anyone how I played wanshi
analog mango
But then Parhelion came
dreamy pelican
Oh boy here I go posting again
Tbf they aren't as bad as before
I remember my ol...
carmine reef
also that dark team would be better than your current one
because your current team is essentially daren solo
analog mango
My ice team was LD + Hypnos + Glory
jovial current
what is phys vero rot
formal radish
You still haven't elaborated how you've seen my wanshi
analog mango
It still is that for PPC (technically it's Daren not Glory but if dark is in then it is Glory) and in WZ it's LD + Parhelion + CW
Also I just realized that sharing your teams is harder thanks to the new update
formal radish
Sprry what
analog mango
I can't put several teams in one screenshot
formal radish
CW in ice?