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[ripe stag]

3 orbs per swap considering first rot gives back orbs but not use them

Gives orbs while using hold blue

Upto 3 per rot

Upto 12 max

Per swap

[young badge]

so its for glow?

[ripe stag]

For all

[vale raft]

Bianca: Crepuscule

Aurora ★★★★★★

Night-Ending Daybreak

ATK increased by 10%. For every 3 points of Commandment used, obtain 1 Signal Orb. A maximum of 12 Signal Orbs can be obtained this way for every swap-in.

ATK

354

CRIT

201

Whip Sword

[ripe stag]

Here

Commandments = core gauge

[young badge]

oh

commandant

[ripe stag]

So basically

Hold dodge fills the core gauge gradually

red/Yellow fills it depending on the number of ping

Hold Blue uses it

The gauge stacks upto 9 (there are 3 sections each holding 3 stacks)

Each hold blue takes 3 stacks

And with sig, 3 stacks consumed = 1 orb refund

[young badge]

does dark use blue?

[ripe stag]

I mean

[young badge]

[ripe stag]

What's the fixed orb

Whatever is the fixed orb

Yea it's Blue

The variable orbs are red (dark) and yellow (glow)

[quartz silo]

Wouldn't luna on thunderbolt banner and nanami on Beginner banner make the most sense?

[young badge]

isnt it the same thing either way?

[quartz silo]

I wanted to maximize my dmc teams so I went for hanying instead for luna

[quartz silo]

Yeah

[young badge]

maximize dmc

[slender scarab]

I'd be fine on this patch. But next patch the beginner banner gets vera and selena no? It would make more sense to get one of them in that case I think.

[quartz silo]

Vera probably

Selena can get soft replaced by vero

[young badge]

no?

vero dmg is sht

[quartz silo]

Im sad that vergil is now a qte bot in my team

When we're coping phys

[cyan pollen]

what memoies does nanami take

[quartz silo]

Oh nvm

[ripe stag]

Maximize DMC

[cyan pollen]

in ignition wz

[ripe stag]

Sure sure
Vero damage is shi

Rn

[quartz silo]

I thought they're keeping with the whole new unit breaks the meta trend

[young badge]

they need to revamp vero

[ripe stag]

4 Herschell 4 Cottie

[ripe stag]

A whole lot

She's slow af too

[quartz silo]

I run 2 ein 2 cottie, is that less optimal?

[slender scarab]

I think we can't assume anything about Vero at the moment the beta numbers can change

[frail hinge]

[ripe stag]

Nanaknight's damage is significant so won't prefer that
Also Eins shredding ignition will be very time specific

Not worth it

[quartz silo]

Okay

[frail hinge]

5m probably possible if I can figure out why exactly Im doing better

[young badge]

is 233?

[ripe stag]

Use your Ishmael properly

[frail hinge]

22.32.3

[ripe stag]

He is 322 knowing Luna

[quartz silo]

Should vera go 2 ein over 4 guin then?

[frail hinge]

IM TRYING

[ripe stag]

Oh wait you aren't lotte

[cyan pollen]

can someone send me an ss0 ignition rotation i cant find it

[frail hinge]

Sss is very expensive

[ripe stag]

4 guin
Mob warzone no?

[frail hinge]

Most I could afford for Luna was skin

[quartz silo]

Its mob and boss

[slender scarab]

I'd just not use eins in wz if I were you. I have been there...

[young badge]

what is luna rot without dlt?

[noble zinc]

Ba weave

[frail hinge]

Mom existent

[quartz silo]

Isn't it (3-ping hold yellow ult)

[young badge]

🥹

[noble zinc]

It's fun

[cyan pollen]

idk about nanami sometimes they use full gauge sometimes half

[quartz silo]

Do two 3pings if youre opening on ss0 for one ult

[cyan pollen]

sometimes no gauge

[young badge]

so like ba 3p ba 3p ba?

[noble zinc]

Homeless void got nothing anyway

[quartz silo]

Then it's just 2 half gauges for 2 ults?

[noble zinc]

Wait

[quartz silo]

You want to shove an extra 3 ping in before yoh switch out i think

[ripe stag]

Dltless or sigless

[young badge]

dltless

[cyan pollen]

do i do 2 dante rots or 1

[ripe stag]

Homeless invest

[young badge]

pwo invest

[quartz silo]

Sometimes I run just short of an ult after the 2nd gauge

[ripe stag]

Pwo isn't that bad

[quartz silo]

2

I sometimes do 3

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1411343970365214843/togif.gif

[frail hinge]

Erza what does "use your Ishmael properly" entail

I've learnt most of her core

Although I haven't the faintest idea as to what the dice in the center does

[young badge]

i got 4.1m with solo ish ss3

[crystal rune]

What the solo swap weather

[young badge]

how much can luna bring that up dltless

[frail hinge]

Ik the candle represents yellow buff time

The key is her dodge atk meter

[young badge]

what candle what dice

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364252806646726757/1412863319223701544/ish_-_1962042937321324768.gif

[frail hinge]

Ishmael's core passive bar

[crystal rune]

There’s a candle and dice?

[frail hinge]

She has like 3 different segments to it

All of which do diff things

[crystal rune]

[frail hinge]

Lmao I can't even blame you cause I barely noticed them before a few days ago

But they're all important

Ishmael gameplay took too much slander she's kinda cool

I've still yet to figure out what the dice does

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/976268956279144458/1387601413516820680/ezgif-3a9d3a31cf3245.gif

[ripe stag]

I mean
Time it right

Nothing else

I suck at Nihil myself

I hate it

Cuz it has Luna

[frail hinge]

Booooo

I thought I was skilled with luna till I saw other people's play

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364252806646726757/1412863200612843550/antyheeeee_-_1963138863641301242.gif

[frail hinge]

They were so fast

[noble zinc]

Havent played luna quite some time rusty more or less like this

You can quick ult do as well will save orb

[ripe stag]

Why even play Luna

She's Luna

Trash

[noble zinc]

Fun

[ripe stag]

Not even alpha or Vergil

[young badge]

do i do 3p swap out?

[noble zinc]

Yes

[ripe stag]

The 2 characters worth playing in PGR

[young badge]

with ba?

[noble zinc]

no just 3p swap out

We ba only for orb

[young badge]

what are the dodge cancel on luna

[noble zinc]

Wait

[quartz silo]

4 ult startrail?

What sorcery is this?

[ripe stag]

Damn Bianca's BA animations can be delayed for a good while

They kept it from Balter

[wintry parcel]

That's what i learned

And been doing great with it

[quartz silo]

I always find i need to swap in vera at some points though

[wintry parcel]

I only have 5 star weapon on my Geiravor

So I don't have a reason to

[slender scarab]

What if I do hold ult on 2nd time with dltless Luna and just swap to Vera until Ish comes back

[quartz silo]

Im gonna try to not field her for a run

[wintry parcel]

The thing with hold ult is that it consumes all of your signal orbs just for a one time slightly more damage

Just do one rotation and be done with her

[remote fossil]

The gap of these scores are still diabolical

[ripe stag]

WAIT A FREAKING MINUTE

[cyan pollen]

valid for ss3 dante ss nanami ss vera sigless?

[ripe stag]

What's the difference between Crepuscule's hold Blue > Ult and Hold BA > Ult in dark mode

[wintry parcel]

Is it all 3 of them sigless

[cyan pollen]

(i invented the rotation no one wanted to send me one)

[wintry parcel]

Or not

[ripe stag]

I don't have that invest sadly or would have sent one

I have SS3 Nanaknight

[obsidian dune]

[wintry parcel]

Okay Whale

[ripe stag]

You play CN?

[obsidian dune]

nope

[cyan pollen]

thats fine thanks anyways i do think something is wrong as sometimes i ult with dante with the affix not on i know its a skill issue but idk how to fix it

[remote fossil]

Dunno but if im right, one for current rot, the other one for setup

[obsidian dune]

@analog robin

[young badge]

have u tried solo nanami?

[ripe stag]

What

[noble zinc]

Here you go

[young badge]

omg

[cyan pollen]

no should i?

mine isnt ss3

[ripe stag]

What tab is that

[obsidian dune]

i try to ping and i see 10 fafs

[noble zinc]

I pad 10

[wintry parcel]

Is all of your character sigless again

[ripe stag]

Ah

[cyan pollen]

no only characters i dont like

nanami and dante have sig but nanami not on dlt

[young badge]

yes

[wintry parcel]

I mean that's what I need to know

[remote fossil]

I mean maybe hold blue for current run to get ult, hold ba for setup to automatically ult next run

Or maybe i just made it up

[cyan pollen]

alright ill try it rn

[remote fossil]

misinfo

[cyan pollen]

i would be sad if solo nanami does better than my dante

[wintry parcel]

I have recorded a video in Hero tier with SS3 rank Dante with Startrail using signature weapon too and SS rank Geiravor with only 5 star weapon

Not really a good score because I don't even have Startrail cub

[cyan pollen]

and the results?

[wintry parcel]

6 million

[cyan pollen]

ouch

i got 5m in legend 💔

[wintry parcel]

That's unfortunate

[noble zinc]

[cyan pollen]

can you send me the video

[wintry parcel]

Oh sure

[cyan pollen]

ty

[wintry parcel]

https://youtu.be/kRL3sK9kJfw?si=-PlMn9xQcaX4VlZw

[cyan pollen]

okay ill do your rot

did you invent it?

its really smart

[quartz silo]

Turns out the solution is just don't field vera

[wintry parcel]

I guess?

[young badge]

yo thats my ss3 solo nana score except i got a bit more

[wintry parcel]

I mean I learned most of the things from Dazzal video

[quartz silo]

Also i think Im safe from legend

[wintry parcel]

But then add some adjustments here and there if the wave isn't too friendly with the rotation

[quartz silo]

Thats depressing since my dante is sss

There's like 2 whales that haven't done their turns

[cyan pollen]

tbh didnt help much

[young badge]

u can get like 9m with 3s dante

[fading walrus]

Which S and A character should i pull in blue ticket as a beginner

[quartz silo]

Oh thats... a bad look for me then haha

[wintry parcel]

It's easy to mess up Dante qte if you have a high rank Dante

[sturdy river]

is Lucia Pyroath a good character to replace lilith?

[wintry parcel]

You can squeeze a lot of damage simply from timing it properly

[cyan pollen]

no.

[young badge]

ngl i rlly wanna try dante in ignition

[sturdy river]

how about oblivion?

[cyan pollen]

could work

[crystal rune]

What is this for

[wintry parcel]

Time to get him then

[crystal rune]

Because they both have entirely different roles

[quartz silo]

With r1 dante?

[wintry parcel]

:D

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979392387803672616/1374948190473949255/MiyabiNo.gif

[cyan pollen]

yukino what memories on luna an lilith in solo nanami ignition

[young badge]

yes

[sturdy river]

clash reflection

[crystal rune]

Wut

[wintry parcel]

It's pretty fun to be honest

[crystal rune]

You can litetally use anything in cr and they die

[wintry parcel]

Just use your strongest team

[young badge]

luna 4dv 2gloria 2 ein
lilitch 4 elemnetal shred 4 guin

[sturdy river]

oh alrigh

[wintry parcel]

It doesn't really matter much what team you use in there

[cyan pollen]

tf is elemental shred bro

[wintry parcel]

Any team would clear it

[crystal rune]

Shakespeare bathlon etc

[wintry parcel]

(with sufficient skills)

[cyan pollen]

ah alright

[young badge]

shakes,bathlon,heisen,etc

[cyan pollen]

lowkey imma just stick with my lame score

at least im close to someone with sss dante

[crystal rune]

[cyan pollen]

also guys i got a question that i never really questioned cuz i thought it was normal, my nihil score with ss luna ss ishmael both sig (luna no dlt) and lilith ss6 gets me aroun 2.7m in nihil wz

i thought nihil is too mid but now it kinda looks unrealistic

is this fine

[wintry parcel]

That much score with a SSS rank is awfully embarrassing

[wintry parcel]

Heh

Oblivion without Deadline Timing is easily major loss

[slender scarab]

I got same score with sigless ish and ss vera so you can probably improve it

[wintry parcel]

But I think it's probably something to do with your rotation

[cyan pollen]

just basic attack

[wintry parcel]

Definitely can improve

[cyan pollen]

ill try

[wintry parcel]

Have you tried

[cyan pollen]

tho idk how one may improve ishmael since shes like an ult chain

[wintry parcel]

4 rotation Parhelion with using only Deadline Timing?

:)

[cyan pollen]

i dont know how many rots i do i just keep going until im out of orbs

[wintry parcel]

Real

[quartz silo]

Is there a way to dodge cancel dantes ba hold in ignition?

[young badge]

man ts is so pain

[slender scarab]

cancer pov

[young badge]

not enough for next rot after swap in

[quartz silo]

May I ask for a source video please. I need guidance

[limber yoke]

9m is ss3 dante

[young badge]

for the malders yes but not him for sure

[calm blaze]

Is it okay if i use fire instead

Of ignition

[young badge]

i dont have source i just check the huaxu lb

[cyan pollen]

a fellow bloodborne fan?

yes ignition is meant for end game players

[quartz silo]

Ss3 nana by any chance?

[calm blaze]

Yea... I match with my gf so that's pretty peak

[limber yoke]

Yes

For asia 9m is probably for ss3 invest

[quartz silo]

Yeah my nana is ss0

Im in na

Very sad

Also huaxu doesnt really distinguished between ss0 and ss3

[crystal rune]

Just check profile

[quartz silo]

The closest I found was a 8m sss dante

With ss3 nana

[crimson swan]

Ss3 nana is enough for 8m

[noble zinc]

That's with na hax only

7.7 peak I guess should be it

[crystal rune]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-vibe-cats-party-rgb-meme-gif-21364041

[young badge]

7.7 peak baldness

[noble zinc]

[stiff elm]

how much does selena benefit from cub?

[crystal rune]

Embrace the bald

[stiff elm]

I realized I had her cub but never equipped for some weird reason

and its REALLY doing shi

[noble zinc]

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1411343970365214843/togif.gif

[young badge]

40% atk

[stiff elm]

overall?

[young badge]

yes

[crystal rune]

Perma 40% atk and 10% phys glacio buff

[stiff elm]

WHAT THE FU-

[noble zinc]

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1082089523124641792.gif

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/935924265960751144.webp?size=16&animated=true

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/935924265960751144.webp?size=16&animated=true

[stiff elm]

how do I cast this..

sometimes it doesn't work

[crystal rune]

Hold basic when you have music notes

[young badge]

u need the chant

[crystal rune]

Chant

[young badge]

bone

[stiff elm]

sometimes it doesnt charge, it just straight up dashes

[crystal rune]

Mambone

[crystal rune]

When it charges you need to let go of hold ba

[stiff elm]

yeah but sometimes it doesnt charge

and straight up dashes

[crystal rune]

Yea Idk I just go with it

[young badge]

u dont charge it

[crystal rune]

Usually wheb swap in you have to let go and after a 3p it’s instant

[young badge]

u 3p then insta dash

[young badge]

yeah

if u do 3p it will insta dash

[stiff elm]

when it does charge

[stiff elm]

that was 2p

[young badge]

?

[stiff elm]

look at the video

[young badge]

which one

[stiff elm]

top

[crystal rune]

No that was definitely a 3p

[stiff elm]

top is 2p, bottom is also 2p

[crystal rune]

The entire orb lineup is red

[stiff elm]

wait music note or ping?

[crystal rune]

Orb pings

[young badge]

orbs yes

if u want to play selena the psycho way u swap in then hold ba then release into 3p 3p

[crystal rune]

Psycho?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244661729791709204/1401505835439358043/2f0c56aeb7c49243ef23ed17c072e98c.gif

[young badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979392387803672616/1374948190473949255/MiyabiNo.gif

[hasty badge]

just a thought, with the new physical amp, will the ss3 selena goes down in value? just like what happened on lucia pyro

[final fog]

Wife

[quartz silo]

Too early to tell

[sonic citrus]

Wait for official release.

[obsidian dune]

leta hope its as broken as gei when released

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204144731135938592/1412498882528678108/tedplap.gif

[nova forum]

what buffs does vero has?

crit rate + crit dmg float buff?

[shy jackal]

Teddy and ish doro wow

[shy jackal]

Probably

Imagine if alisa still stays meta because vero doesn't buff crit rate

[hazy sandal]

Yapping done

Me going sleep

[final fog]

Whats subtle control technique?

[quartz silo]

Okay the subtle control points are encouraging

[quartz silo]

What does he mean by lilith having similar tech?

[shy jackal]

So eins becomes useable off element waos

[quartz silo]

Probably some hidden tech that speeds up rots?

Thats why im intrigued by his point about lilith

[final fog]

Ok but what is it?

Dodge cancel?

[quartz silo]

If its dodge cancel wouldn't he have referenced vera

[river nymph]

[quartz silo]

Its probably variable output

Like how lilith can have 5 levels of strength for her ult2

Depending on amount and order of orbs spent

[buoyant hornet]

She has the exact same crit buffs as alisa and it's ALSO tied to sig mem 💀

[buoyant hornet]

Just dmg control stuff most likely but if he mentioned lilith and bianca specifically then he could also be referring to reverse ult rots

i.e. prepping an extra ult before swap out and insta ulting on next swap

[shy jackal]

Ew

Basically just alisa 2.0

[quartz silo]

To be fair, short of a straight up overhaul of how phys dmg works, what did you expect?

[quartz silo]

Can't most characters do that

[buoyant hornet]

Usually pretty niche or unreliable

Lilith and bianca are two of the best users of that tech

[slate gull]

anyone got glacio IB red huaxu vid refs?

[buoyant hornet]

But also idk hyperspecific bianca stuff

Lilith has many instances where she can shift around her dmg distribution to fit wave flow

Could be referring to that too

[barren plank]

Espada should have smth tho keep in mind his invest is a little inflated

[slate gull]

okay i'll check

[keen sable]

do we have any numbers on veronica, how strong she is

[noble zinc]

[quartz silo]

Beta

[simple dew]

ass

[keen sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1206594969784291368.webp?size=44&animated=true

[simple dew]

[noble zinc]

If with dante can help
Soo nana cant

ping/reply mention on message me I do miss chats or else

[river nymph]

[peak halo]

the first 1 is could called a good score for 333 team?

also everyone r3

[visual topaz]

what zone

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

wait

is that PhalanX on EU

[peak halo]

legend

yeah i guess

[visual topaz]

ye no it's bad

Void ~10M this week

[river nymph]

[peak halo]

also im the 2nd with 233 team its could be improve

i also try swap to vera but get shreded by purple bar

so idk how to get more

[visual topaz]

get a better route ig

[peak halo]

aslo why i cant found just minimum sss luna if x33 team
cant get a ref score

nvm finally found

[formal radish]

Score really low for sss

Atleast 15m

[peak halo]

when my 2 zone combined 15m🚮

[formal radish]

U just skill issue

U see

Then look at my acc

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/13907300/characters

[peak halo]

i not had a skill to had a issue

[formal radish]

I think that's called a skill issue

[peak halo]

yeah mambo

[formal radish]

no im raiden fafnir

[river nymph]

[peak halo]

i get use to check profile

[visual topaz]

Xeno what wave for void

[river nymph]

[river nymph]

39, void shield

[visual topaz]

i choked 37

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

can't reproduce my run because of bomb drop with 2 ein Luna

when she doesn't get staggered at all, any ishmael misinput is also run killer for me

💀

only my 2 tap run when trying 4 guin zaza was more or less okay

[river nymph]

luna getting bombed is so tilting

[visual topaz]

like 90% of the time i can't get past the 1st rot because of bomb drop

then 99% of the time i can't get past the 2nd rotation

[peak halo]

what bomb drop?

[visual topaz]

mob leaving bomb on death

too bad i deleted my footage alrdy

[peak halo]

ohh i keep forgeting that
idk when the time when i had issues with that

also which ish rot u use?
i guess thats my problem

[river nymph]

i just spam the basic 3 ult rot

with kick before the last two ult

idc enough to learn the others

[visual topaz]

https://youtu.be/92bURw_-Tfk 2-tap sample

w18 could have prolly dodge-killed the mob last HP instead of wasting Ish last ult2

w29 kill improvable so that Geiravor doesn't end up on void shield w30

[peak halo]

ohh i see
even i just slowmo ur first ish rot yet
3ult in 8s holy
im just truly casual here

[peak halo]

sad things always happened🥀

but also thanks

[visual topaz]

w13 is a run killer

i managed to fit my luna basic/dodge weave with the bomb timing

most of the time she gets stunned

[peak halo]

for me i get a -4s on w10 and w11 my previous best run idk how

[visual topaz]

i threw exact same run lmao

[barren plank]

Ew can I ask you a few questions cause I can't seem to find answers to them anywhere

[river nymph]

[barren plank]

Omg it's

[river nymph]

[cyan pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[visual topaz]

whut

[barren plank]

U are CN player right

[visual topaz]

I'm not

[barren plank]

Oh

Welp

[visual topaz]

didn't you ask me that thrice

[barren plank]

Never mind

[visual topaz]

[barren plank]

Did I?

Honestly do not remember

Actually lemme just ask you anyways cause I cant find out anywhere so maybe you know

What the hell

[rocky wedge]

i use ein cottie

[barren plank]

Does Discord's weapon do

[barren plank]

Cause I cannot find it for the life of me anywhere

[rocky wedge]

4 cottie on two dps is 💀

[river nymph]

im ready for 2cottie 2cath selena after vero

[rocky wedge]

oh ye phys is weird ye no cath

but ig han has 100% shred without it no?

[river nymph]

dont think so

[rocky wedge]

cant remember actually

[river nymph]

cuz on ts i run 2cath 2darwin on her

[quartz silo]

Why?

[visual topaz]

i don't understand

[barren plank]

Like the weapon passive

[visual topaz]

o

[barren plank]

THANK GOD

[visual topaz]

10% Atk

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

and half sig rate consumption

[river nymph]

is she good in siege?

[barren plank]

Id assume so

Cause she has TLC

[visual topaz]

probably just because of timestop alone

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

for A rank

[barren plank]

Also me stoopid

What does this mean

[visual topaz]

idk

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

i've never read her kit

i assume it's about signature move

since it refers to energy

[river nymph]

im more excited for discord than bonca tbh

[barren plank]

Im considering coming back very briefly for Discord to test how she doesd in TS compared to Balter

But it seems that Empress might be willing to test that out for me so Im not touching PGR if she does

[river nymph]

balter? where tf is your bergin

[barren plank]

We know Virgin is better

[rocky wedge]

cause lacking debuff / buff

[barren plank]

But Im doing this for people that miss out on him

For my CN teams guide

[river nymph]

well let me put it this way, without vergil would ts ever even beat the other team in the mixed zone?

[visual topaz]

TS without worgil atm is Selena

[rocky wedge]

4 cottie only buffs the character that uses it, ein at least benefits the one holding it and the main damage dealer

[visual topaz]

it's helluva cope

[river nymph]

selena beats balter?

[rocky wedge]

ts exists without vergil?

[barren plank]

Probably not? (It's moreso just to know who is better to play the team)

[visual topaz]

no clue

[barren plank]

Esepcially cause fcking Powered exists

[visual topaz]

I don't even do 3rd zone nowadays in wz

[barren plank]

So it is somewhat relevant for people that come after DMC

[karmic anvil]

oh mb
thanks for correction

[river nymph]

people just use glacio

[rocky wedge]

ts trash without ss3 han and vergil

[visual topaz]

get good score on 2 normal zones = can slack 3rd zone or skip it

[barren plank]

But what do you do if it's Powered Emperor Veronica

[visual topaz]

adv exists

[barren plank]

You can't use glacio or ion to bruteforce

[rocky wedge]

then just dont care that week

[visual topaz]

[barren plank]

But that's brick

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

decent acc players would have no issues

[rocky wedge]

doubt

[visual topaz]

the tourist invest would be lopsided anyway

[river nymph]

we are getting into never before seen levels of cope

[barren plank]

Veronica

[river nymph]

[barren plank]

Dunno why I typed Monzano

[visual topaz]

I did Fire on Veronica on lilith-less acc

got 58w still

[barren plank]

[visual topaz]

these bosses are nowhere close to being that punitive like off element voodoo 2 years ago tbh

[rocky wedge]

how is that one week, which will be a rare occurence, be cope if u have to deal with undesirable score - please explain xd

cause i cant see a world where anyone should care about that

[river nymph]

idk i dont even do ppc

[rocky wedge]

so then at that point u may as well say skip vergil is brick

[river nymph]

well yes

[rocky wedge]

and ss0 han is also brick

well, yes but also no xd

[river nymph]

skipping dmc is brick that has been well established atp

[visual topaz]

i got SS3 hanbrick on my F2P alts

[rocky wedge]

cause ss0 nana is also brick but also not

[visual topaz]

but i'm not pulling worgil

[rocky wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-gif-26736050

[visual topaz]

BC allocation too tight for the return imo

[rocky wedge]

ye he is kidding

[river nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-laughing-gif-3676435433606054883

[rocky wedge]

u will be super fine without them xd

[visual topaz]

wz and ppc are dedge

[rocky wedge]

not having other characters like nanami for example is way worse

[visual topaz]

there is no urge to mald

[river nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663533657155305481/1409894672851275877/IMG_4146.gif

[barren plank]

Tbh it kinda always was a brick to me to skip him

If I was still playing I would pull him

[rocky wedge]

ill take ur word for it

[visual topaz]

still costly investment

[rocky wedge]

its because its not brick

[visual topaz]

we just came out from triple patch w double S rank to pull

[rocky wedge]

especially if u not even gonna mald for peak scores lmao

[visual topaz]

some ppl started at 0 after that patch end and we came back to x1 schedule

[rocky wedge]

same like with nier too, if u couldnt afford pulling them - pulling them was actually more brick and its same case again

[visual topaz]

BC is too scarce atm especially with next patch S

[rocky wedge]

cool lemme go pull vergil and not even know if i will get his weapon cause 80/20

and there is a new S rank attacker the next patch for a strong team

and the most recent selector we got was the same as previous : D

so unless u get lucky or can 100% afford getting them, its brick

to pull them actually xd

[visual topaz]

need to pull char + sig (including off rate possibility) + cub for signature skill

so roughly ~25k ish BC investment when next patch requires 22.5k too

[rocky wedge]

its brick for competitive whales yes, but that doesnt mean its brick generally unless most people are all thicc whales? xdd

[visual topaz]

i almost finished pulling dmc on my acc

and i started to preplanning my BC since 2 sync patches ago

[rocky wedge]

ye like if u want to fight in ppc or wz and dont have them with whel acc, thats for sure brick

ts also still kinda arguable cause of how trash it is to play apparently and kinda does look like that from gameplay

[visual topaz]

i had to give up on geiravor dupes to have enough BC to gamble on Fate

[visual topaz]

lone whale in this ded region

[rocky wedge]

is that even working out? Dx

Eu has quite a few whales but all casual

[visual topaz]

3.0 geiravor dmg is helluva cope

[visual topaz]

which is why my acc investment seems just like swipe to win at this point

[rocky wedge]

there was some 3s guy who mald the whole of sunday last week to beat my ss0 scores by 20k points Dx

but atleast he didnt let me beat him so ggs

[visual topaz]

litterally slacking in ppc/ibppc/wz due to lack of whale malders

[rocky wedge]

no i mean pulling on fate since uve probably got large sample size by now

[visual topaz]

well

[rocky wedge]

xD

[visual topaz]

it compensated?

[rocky wedge]

ye was it worth it

or did it end up kinda the same? or u actually saved a lot?

[visual topaz]

Dante 7 dupes cheapest S+ i've ever had

Vergil on the other hand set my ratio back to avg

[rocky wedge]

its literally a gamble

[visual topaz]

not accounting sig and cub pulls obv

[rocky wedge]

thats wild

[visual topaz]

cubs too

I'm missing 1 cub atm

ran out of packs and BC

18/20 last cub pity count atm

[rocky wedge]

thank you for supporting this dead game 🛐

[cyan pollen]

bro lilith boss fight is so fkin ahh why does the time get slowed with every attack

[rocky wedge]

tho idk if its actually dead, just competitively feels like it

[visual topaz]

read the affix

you need to fish matrix

for her to stop teleporting

[rocky wedge]

ye and her HP has to drop to a threshold from that point for her to stop doing that

after the matrix is done, she can just phase u again

[visual topaz]

cutscene HP threshold so around 70

[rocky wedge]

i think its 70 for her but might be wrong

[visual topaz]

ow yeah

typo

[rocky wedge]

i remember hating this cause it means more time for no reason Dx

[visual topaz]

she starts the animation at 85

[rocky wedge]

i like to just whack this stuff now and get it done with asap

but with lilith : D nah

[visual topaz]

I'm retaining atm with Void + lightning score

EU is just too slack atm

[rocky wedge]

ye even my acc retained legend xD

and I think wata is my only ss3 gacha S rank

oh and hanying i forgot

[visual topaz]

like there is no incentive at all to keep malding

this IB huaxu is the same

[rocky wedge]

ye that kinda depends on enjoyment

for me i still mald, well one for content but also cause I enjoy it

[visual topaz]

no need to use DMC when off element S+ outscore all DMC havers due to lack of proper invest thresholds + mald

there is one SSS DMC above me at best

but i could probably shave off another 10s glacio and 3s on ion

SSS invest still coping against IB huaxu

[cyan pollen]

whats flash counter

[visual topaz]

counter attack after a matrix

it was explained in ToS tutorial

[rocky wedge]

isnt that just ur attack after dodging?

oh ye

[cyan pollen]

in what universe that is

[rocky wedge]

the training thing that gave selector and weapon selector

[cyan pollen]

ohh

its any attack right?

it doesnt result in a special interaction or something

[rocky wedge]

ah not sure if its matrix specific like ew said or any dodge Dx

[visual topaz]

just dodge

and attack

[rocky wedge]

that part cant remember, have a feeling its any dodge tho

dodge > ba pretty much

but u must dodge an attack from the enemy and I think the attack must also hit them

[visual topaz]

yes

naur

zebratu top 16 with 2 zones

[cyan pollen]

ty

[keen sable]

Any Info on Veronica weapon is it Like Vera?

[rocky wedge]

hanying dv incoming maybe oh no

[keen sable]

I replace my selena

She got No sig

[river nymph]

[slate gull]

father and daughter

[river nymph]

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

maybe w38 max score for my invest

[noble zinc]

[noble zinc]

[visual topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-gif-27544204

[stray siren]

Almost x10 more players total and WZ with almost x3 less good players

Idk about ppc, last times I played on my SSS account, my one tap scores were top 10-15

[stray siren]

Good for a gif

[slate gull]

cooked

[pallid cypress]

should i change these builds for warzone?

nanaknight is on herschell and heisen

[stray siren]

It depends, is Alpha SSS?

[pallid cypress]

nope

SS0

[stray siren]

Just add Luna 4 DV 2 Gloria 2 Einsteina

And

Lilith 4 Samantha 4 Guinevere

Nanami solo will have a better buff

[pallid cypress]

oh ok

any resos?, like QTE+ or something?

for the bots

[stray siren]

Nah, maybe Class on Lilith, to kill one more wave in Nanami's first Ultimate

But it rarely happens

[pallid cypress]

her guins are already on class

[stray siren]

Thats ok

[pallid cypress]

axial or spear for lilith?

actually i have nanaknight at R2

so she has DD

[stray siren]

The one that gives 8% permanent

[pallid cypress]

so axial

[stray siren]

Yeah, DLT + DD

[pallid cypress]

so start on lilith and then swap into nanaknight

[stray siren]

Yeah, equip the deer pet on Lilith, 3x2 blue fast + deer then switch to nanami

[pallid cypress]

no ult?

does SSS buffs CUBs?

[stray siren]

Nah, you're just looking for the pet buff

Something like this

https://youtu.be/J9C31DazGeY?si=RtiWZ9VFp6pUKQnD

[pallid cypress]

what are the builds for nihil platform?

do i just replace nanaknight with ish?

@stray siren

should i do molten chasm or dark forest?

[stray siren]

It depends on how you are playing, there are currently three teams

Normal team:
Ishmael DPS (4 sig4cottie/Luna subDPS (4sig 4 Cottie)/Amp (4DV 4 Guinevere) if ish SS0 then Lilith, of ish SS3 or above then Vera

Ampmael:

Ishmael DPS(4 sig 4 Cottie) / Wanshi/Nanami SSS (Normal build) / Luna (4 DV 2 Gloria 2 Einsteina)

Tankmael

Ish SS3 (4 sig 4 Cottie) / Vera SSS (4 Shakes 4 DV) / Luna (4 Dv 2 Gloria 2 Einsteina)

[stray siren]

Molten is more score

[pallid cypress]

oh thanks

gotta redo it then

ill go with normal team

lingya on lilith still right?

[stray siren]

Yeah

[pallid cypress]

ill do it tomorrow, i need to build dante

or theres a nanaknight solo team for ignition?

[stray siren]

Yes

Nanami 4 sig 4 Cottie

Lilith 4 Guinevere 4 Shakepeare

Luna 4 DV 2 Gloria 2 Einsteina

[pulsar viper]

What’s the builds for nihil wz

[stray siren]

#📨・meta-help message

I remember you are an SSS player, maybe normal or tankmael will work better for you

[pulsar viper]

Ok thank you

I wish there was an updated spreadsheet

[visual topaz]

Like the Karen orb one

[astral bison]

who do i use on trailblazer again

[visual topaz]

Your strongest team that doesn't brick your fu shen and Veronica score

[limber yoke]

Void

[quartz silo]

I used lilith dark for trailblazer

[barren plank]

You’re strongest team that isnt taken by another boss

[astral bison]

well i dont have one

my strongest team is glacio probably which is obviously out of the table
and aside from phys and dark all my other teams are doodoo

[quartz silo]

Does the weather frame get any bonuses beyond the supposed synergy?

[barren plank]

Wdym

[barren plank]

Do you have ice or void team

[astral bison]

ice yea void no

[quartz silo]

So like a weather like Shattering Soprano

[barren plank]

Use ice

[astral bison]

but my ice units are kinda eh

[quartz silo]

It gives crit dmg when you switch in

Its pianissimos weather

[barren plank]

Yes

[quartz silo]

But that bonus is good for basically any unit

[barren plank]

For any phys team, yes

[remote fossil]

Some weathers good for all, while some just selfish

[astral bison]

wait which weather is good for all

[barren plank]

And this fact is reflected in the zone scores for the week

[quartz silo]

Something like extra dmg on switch in

[remote fossil]

Forgot, but iirc like fire, pyro's weather benefits all team while vera's just the selfish one

[astral bison]

never seen that

[barren plank]

For example, if two weeks have dark warzone (assuming the fluctuation is the same,) one week’s score with Lilith weather is gonna be way higher than one with Scire weather

[quartz silo]

Lucid dreamer and selena's weathers are like dmg on switch

[river nymph]

the mythical lamia weather

[barren plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1332554730391732224/lamia2.gif

[remote fossil]

What's hers? Forgot already

[quartz silo]

Ping for moar dmg

[barren plank]

Tbh tho they have started to get a little lazy with weathers for a while now

[river nymph]

stacks up to 100% bonus

[quartz silo]

I do remember vera's weather being so specific for her

[barren plank]

I believe it’s bugged actually

[remote fossil]

I see

[river nymph]

yeah weathers used to be much more unique

[remote fossil]

Vera's weather just a recycle from feral's

[river nymph]

og feral weather 😭

[remote fossil]

Yea the og one

[quartz silo]

I wonder if dante and vergil's orbs count as 3pings

[river nymph]

as long as they consume the white orbs i think so

[barren plank]

Yea it’s the same as Solacetune and Pyroath

[obsidian dune]

how is vero beta v1 me lazy watch stream

[wintry parcel]

Mid

They polished her overall animation, but her number is wack

Time to wait for more beta

[obsidian dune]

[night ermine]

Wack as in overpowered or underpowered

[wintry parcel]

As in mid

[crimson swan]

Dog sht at best

But she buffs dmc so shes good

[remote fossil]

Underpowered

[night ermine]

Thanks

[fickle oasis]

how come?

[peak halo]

So she not became maid dps bruh

[wintry parcel]

That's just how she is right now

[fickle oasis]

i guess kuro messed up with geira and she's the odd one out

[fickle oasis]

do numbers generally change much within beta?

[wintry parcel]

They didn't mess up Geiravor

[fickle oasis]

i meant they messed up making her too strong

[wintry parcel]

They didn't

Geiravor wasn't strong

[vague nebula]

even if they dont change in beta they can change right before live release

lilick example

[remote fossil]

Ofc, we have discord

[fickle oasis]

what did they do with her

[mighty tusk]

Strong in v1, got nerfed hard

[vague nebula]

they nerfed her on live release
Idr the exact details
she was way stronger than this even at the end of beta
now imagine what she could have done

[fickle oasis]

aiz

can SS vero replace SSS alisa in phys?

[mighty tusk]

Likely

Just wait for live

[vague nebula]

of course she will be gen 3
her ss gonna be way better

she gonna give u crit rate buff without needing a mem set

[mighty tusk]

Uh

Her crit buff is tied to sig memory

[remote fossil]

For now someone said ss3 vero = sss echo

[vague nebula]

fk u kuso

[fickle oasis]

bruh

truly affix unit for dmc

[vague nebula]

its just echo in disguise then

[mighty tusk]

I heard her stacking also sucks in burn

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280331315627036836/1413206187507454083/verocarplap.gif

[vague nebula]

fk u kuso

[remote fossil]

Sadly, they just love dmc more than us

[fickle oasis]

why does kuro hate her damn

[mighty tusk]

But does more dmg in burn than phy iirc

[wintry parcel]

Geiravor wasn't really strong the moment KuroGames released her

Unlike Daemonissa that becomes the main Dps on her debut

[fickle oasis]

how is she in solo burn nanami

[wintry parcel]

It's just that players managed to find an exploit to her

[obsidian dune]

[wintry parcel]

And abuses Cottie set with her

[obsidian dune]

how is that abuse

thats how cottie works

more ult energy

[mighty tusk]

I think it's the dodge cancel and hold ba

Speedrunning her rot

[obsidian dune]

i mean cancelling is part of game too

[vague nebula]

dps

so ig i dont need donut

[obsidian dune]

she is very strong no doubt

[mighty tusk]

Just wait for live ver

[vague nebula]

oi by that time donut will be gone

[mighty tusk]

I heard full sss phy can do 8,9,11 on new phy weak boss

[crystal rune]

How much hp does she have

[remote fossil]

30m

[crystal rune]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-vibe-cats-party-rgb-meme-gif-21364041

[vague nebula]

in before they buff it to 45m

[wintry parcel]

If they were to make Geiravor an actual Dps, they would have made Hervor set as a better dps set similar to Barcelo to Daemonissa

Rather than getting Shakespeare as her main set

[mighty tusk]

Nvm, it's 9,10,12

[remote fossil]

At least lilith and vera's amp kit not locked behind their sig memo

Vero still the same like echo

With the same buff

[mighty tusk]

Which means no 4dv 4 phillip setups from her

[remote fossil]

Yeah

I heard that she cant even hold 4 dv cus her ult needed quite a lot of energy

[crystal rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1358099919684243486.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=worry_tased

[river nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663533657155305481/1409894672851275877/IMG_4146.gif

[vague nebula]

so the weekly boss is chiko?

[remote fossil]

Yeah chiko

[vague nebula]

character development

[vague nebula]

she gonna be playable next year

[crystal rune]

[vague nebula]

I dont want anymore collabs to this game
I want pgr to be pgr

[remote fossil]

Dunno what will happen to her tho, just hope that she ||not ded even with new timeline||

[remote fossil]

Yes

[peak halo]

Uhh chiko get better design than vero

[vague nebula]

I dont do story
haven't done since chrome glory patch
so no idea

[peak halo]

Vero is just out of pgr to me
More like a coatings

[vague nebula]

[remote fossil]

||Mad|| vero is peak, then they do this cheap fan service

[river nymph]

need that

[crystal rune]

[river nymph]

i dont think ive ever been more attracted to a female pgr character

[feral flume]

Ohh shii just when I thought so

[feral flume]

Replacing whos boss btw is it FUSHEN

[crystal rune]

Yea

Hes lowest hp phys boss atm

[feral flume]

Ye figured it out since shes squishy

Hes*

Im not even surprised if the next boss getting replace is madorea when new liv gets released another pain

[crystal rune]

Now that’s just obvious

[remote fossil]

Just dont make ice/ts

[crystal rune]

What does this mean

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280331315627036836/1413206187507454083/verocarplap.gif

[lapis elbow]

it means
driving in my car right after a beer
hey that bump is shaped like a construct
DUI how about you die
I'll go a hundred miles an hour

[crystal rune]

I meant the image Dazzal sent

[lapis elbow]

same meaning

[ripe stag]

It's over

This is the end

I have drowned and dreamt this moment

[quartz silo]

if it was truly unintended, they would've patched it

[rose yew]

wep har 3 lvl:

[frank falcon]

teat

[round lake]

Aether might need to update this pic cause aint no way Nanami solo Ignition is a worse choice than Pyroath swap

[karmic anvil]

let aether rip
call mycledra

[quartz silo]

for ignition, if you have sss dante, do you still adhere to his 2 ult rot, or do you flex into a 3rd ult rot if you have the orbs?

assuming nana ss0 r2

[wintry parcel]

Test it yourself

See if Dante 3rd rotation gives you more overall score than the initial 2 rotation Dante and then Startrail

[lunar lava]

https://tenor.com/view/fireelmosteve-gif-26958979

[viscid cave]

Gonna ask for Lightning WZ. Is Solo nanaknight use Cottie? I can just put heisen on feral and Luna hold dav and Einstein.

[obsidian dune]

well no

[peak halo]

Cottie for ignition

[obsidian dune]

you also get 10% extra damage bonus from 4 piece heisen

[peak halo]

Light Still haisen
Only needs dlt for sustain

Also if u use luna zaza use lilith instead feral

[green arrow]

If I hyper tune memories can I swap resonance skill after or is it locked after?

I don't understand hypertune but have all the materials to do so.

[crystal rune]

you can change the resos after

HTs are also not binded to the character but the memory itself

[green arrow]

I see. That's good to know.

[formal radish]

I can't be bothered to 13/13/16

[pearl solstice]

[formal radish]

At best it's 14/14/17

[pearl solstice]

@crystal rune go back to gen help

[crystal rune]

is that a command

[pearl solstice]

No

[crystal rune]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gore-blood-shooting-gif-24724777

[pearl solstice]

Just a request

[pearl solstice]

No violence

[crystal rune]

wtf

thats

[pearl solstice]

[crystal rune]

idk

[formal radish]

I was on pace for 1.85m anyway

[crystal rune]

no fun

[formal radish]

I only needed about 607k to 1.85m

[crystal rune]

bust

[crimson swan]

Go 13 13 16

Youre a fafnir

Even my fatass went for 16 hell

[peak halo]

Na u not a skill issue like me
Aim top 1

[formal radish]

I already saved

[crystal rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/944802613378035733/976328729821339669/A7DE3942-7CD6-4863-95C2-70189BE26570.gif

[merry depot]

Hi, this is the correct Nihil team?

[karmic anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-cat-gatito-crazy-insane-gif-4445261359056491120

[crimson swan]

Why no mald

[raw swift]

I dont understand why is there two

[median shell]

Just choose normal mode

[raw swift]

do they give the same amount of rewards?

[median shell]

Yes

There's no point on doing explore mode

[raw swift]

alr thanks

[formal radish]

Mfw i did explore mode cause i thought i needed it to unlock ch14

[slate gull]

peak Mavuika

[karmic anvil]

damn nice fart

[rough mica]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

[keen sable]

so veronica is just vera

[fading kestrel]

but with worse damage distribution

actually, some of the worst damage distri in the game

[keen sable]

sig looks the same as veras

might be no sig unit for me

[deft apex]

[keen sable]

physical brick as always

i hope liv is not like these new amps

idk if she gonna be amp

liv about to be dark tank

[deft apex]

[frozen raft]

[keen sable]

affix stink, cant fooder weapons that fast anymore

alisa only gets replaced in pysical

[leaden tinsel]

I see only two differences...

[young badge]

good sht

[round lake]

Cottie buff kekw

[peak halo]

Omg qte bot ish with eins

[round lake]

And more shred for Fraudmael

[young badge]

yes finally

[round lake]

May be I should actually get her for my alt now

[peak halo]

Idk who will seen very well the cottie buff
But i guess vera will a good cases
She had nice ult1 dmg

[keen sable]

karen to bed