#📨・meta-help
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ezra cant even go 1 hour without talking abt dmc, then he said he hates it 
So do i
like bro 😂
Im a fake dmc hater
Ur crazy for maining zzz ngl
fak yall traitor 
I LOVE dmc
Can't help when ZZZ offers more content than PGR
send id we should check u too
Aight time to delete my discord account
more polished and just an overall better game
Cant help but dislike every 5050 game
what did BA copy BD for asuna & toki or BD copied BA
What is this, Hoyo glazing in my PGR server
im pulling for meta 
im not like them that spend hours in beating up those one bot in training zone
We need to KILL HOYO
can't help but dislike 100% rateup game

So true, 50/50 slop could never
Ur right should just quit 
80/20, such predatory gacha slop smh
and in my defense, i never said i dont pull dmc 
cannot help but dislike liar games that are throwing S rank back to back to back instead of the normal schedule

Whel so rich pls fund me bianca’s booba
so all games then
we those are the dumbest... they're doing it for what again? $20 Amazon gift card?
based gaming hater
That's the unfortunate norm in like 99% of gacha games though
steal RC from the rich, give RC to the poor
we need to KILL ALL GAMES
Its not an excuse, but it is what it is
nah pgr lied to us, no other game did
bro its $100, theyre gonna get rich and buy dmc5 for console
no u fund me im borkies
Im poor
what lied, isnt this game meant to be Punishing 
Wait fk i cant use that excuse anymore

say that again...
they said it was f2p friendly
i give u wine and next day u have ferrari park in front of ur house 
Pls fund me im jp cant top up globalul


the community lied to u
we need to KILL PGR COMMUNITY
pgr available offline (real)
since when ?
come play the popular offline game PGR available on mobile
I thought it was a PC game
PC? offline?
Does he know?
Seeing this, i really dont care about any collab huh
k between bd2 and nikke
wym? even I didn't pull vergil
pick ur poison
TRAITOR!!
If it's lewdity then bd2 by miles
Worth it for booba and booba
I can get 5 mil on TS anyway
Selena and bianca
already 11k + 3210 event tix
30k +11k yellow tix
F2p btw
u got the free bante 
trash content isnt content
its just garbage
No he got 30bc
me who thought nikke was the worst game ever made
Nice alt
bd2, I searched there's a live2d uhhm...
way way way way way worse
its like super below there down the pits of hell

which of these 3 do i max first echo leap skills
i use her with pianismo ss with sig
Payment problem frfr
the other 2 useless?
They smell foreigner money and said no 
Uhh visa sanction for suspicious transaction (not a lie trust)
they highly useful... u asked for priority right?
ima level all then
Ahh thats normal 
i can vouch for that and so can many others x)
Yes yes very normal
its only the people that manage their accounts badly that complain about this
doesnt make it right, but at least we arent getting less stuff
or u know, using our time in the game to rate off at max pity - what did u spend all ur time for then?
one word with 4 letters thats starts with g and ends with n xd
bro I suffered the back to back to back of nanaknight to selena so bad on my cn acc
The game is fairly f2p friendly until they pull the 3 s rank simultaneously garbage
people on globlul didn't feel it bc catch-up
Other than that i agree lol
4 if count vera, dante, vergil then bianca
I had no problem in taiwan? and i wasnt even lucky in these patches
also I'm wondering... how those mf managed to throw nanaknight and ish back to back at us ?
The answer: anniv
ontop of that I also skip content a lot so idk how people allow this to happen, like I trust myself with understanding what to do with not spending money - tbh cant say the same for others
Wata and qu also had the same situation
cause when i talk to other f2p players, the ones who have a similar mindset to me dont complain
So vero and liv prob gonna be back to back paid s
fck it
and lilith was free so was her cub and her weapon
so what BC was needed to be spent in that patch? xd
those mf are cleverly throwing back to back paid s ranks at us
also not sure what is ones baseline for F2P investment? xd cause having a lot of resos isnt necessary either its a luxury
with no compensation
there is compensation man, the amount of rewards we were getting was definitely more
Baseline for me is ss0 sig r1
Fairly doable without double s rank or collab
ye and thats enough for a very enjoyable experience + to complete all content
Ss0 and sig is doable, r1 quite hard sometimes
even 222 100 is fine for most stuff with how strong chars are
wdym r1 is free
its practically free with norman and guild expe
My only problem is weap banner
The first several weapon resonance for about 3 characters can be obtained from thunderbolt mission to be honest
ye thats the gacha element : D at least its guaranteed after first rate off now
If you lose 8020 then that basically breaks the normal income
~~just be lucky ~~
u can always get the weapon later anyway, at least u can get any character u want unlike the 50/50s
Yes, if we lose 20 early, it's fine, if it's hard pity...
but this game and those are very different anyway since pgrs main content is competitive, where with others its mostly casual content so there is more things to do generally
I've never lost an 8020 by hitting pity two times
Overall fairly f2p friendly we usually get 2 s rank every 3 patch
predatory game
Thats about 45k/2 s rank or 22750 per s rank
By like
What standards
predatory ? go play wuwa
Fine to me, only thing is stuff like selena

should also consider the gacha rates too
this people again just want to ignore when talking about this stuff
I do base on 60 pity for char and 25 for weap
or ig just dont think about
22750 is mostly enough
what patch was before dmc?
but the rates are pretty good also over other games too
in cn
Vera
try fate next time 
what before vera?
Only time where i thought the game was predatory was when i pull bianca sss and ploom sig incident lmao
the game is thee most frustrating out of the big ones though since its not very straight forward or easy, so some people can be very biased and blame their own mistakes on the game or developer xd
jet
Jetavie
But bianca is on me
you either die a fate gambler or live longe enough to be called a coward
alright
I'd rather be called coward tho
ye and i mean even for me too i dont have bianca rn in taiwan cause i threw some bc at DMC which worked out, but that was greedy
Selena , jetaive and vera
I'd gladly die as a fate gambler
Lost 3 8020 in a row and 74 average pity for sss bianca
so now i must accept delaying getting bianca, thats not the games fault or kuros xd
Waiting for ur funeral
Kuro just being sketchy with vera > dmc > bianca when dmc gives quite a little resources
I already died once 
dmc is technically skip patch
die more
k
i got him on 91
u either acknowledge spending for them or skip or try ur luck its not hard
I stopped there lmao
its a collab i mean its not rocket science
I consider dmc a vergil patch
Yes, idc about them, but just said it's kuro being sly to make it like that
If you play competitively you kinda needs vergil
ye should of had A rank after actually
my copium is that i got him early on first and second time
hopefully next S is free or I will be mad for sure
cause also the recent selector was also bad
so i didn't really go into the negative zone
Vero prob free
It's anniv, dont hope too much
Even with the dmc patch, should still have enough for the next patch
Cuz whoever after liv is 99% s rank
4th and 5th anniv already shown that
like from that point i wont agree, but beforehand it was way more fair than any other gacha
99.99999%
liv no free?
If ur competitive is 1.8m ppc with hero legend bounce then no need DMC
From the trend of the last 2 anniv, liv unlikely free
Meanwhile i consider that casual
But dunno if kuro can be kind there
that's just about 0.1% of players
But just diff perspective
u will be surprised more players just play ppc 6 times
Ig 
get the BC and go
2 ice units were free
Maybe thats why in drowning in skulls rn
u know what the actual issue with all this nonsense is, is just plain stubborness xd Im a big fate fan right - if we get fate collab, I will be really REALLY sad if I have to skip the collab characters. However since im competitive, i will stick to doing that since I know I wouldnt need them xd
Probably might get a another free ice unit
Kuro gotta give em enough skulls

if i didnt care about my scores and was playing for characters then i can do what i want no
but then i shouldnt complain if i struggle since its BC i spent on something unneccessary
they don't care about that, they skip some characters to S+ their faves
By like
What metric or standard
Unit release schedule:pull currency ratio?
as f2p
just lewdity ofc
another game on my black list lol
Just 1mm of cloth covering the cooch
Ye nikke's pretty safe if we consider bd2
I didn't know about bd2 until someone posted a commercial of it in cn-lobby
a couple of weeks ago
Pushing the lewdity aside, I'm being completely serious when I say nikke mald is harder than pgr mald 
Fkin hell I'd go as far to say nikke is family friendly compared to it
I thought nikke was turn based
Same with AL
Nope
Nah
i cant stand those games with the loli stuff tho that crap is too weird
The thing that makes it maldy is the endgame and story pushing
So u can't stand gacha games
If you're below the recommended power level for the story stage your stats get slashed
loli is the dumbest shite that humanity has ever created
My obly problem with pgr rn is the story and no real endgame content like babel or old norman
You can fight against it, but the stat cut gets worse and worse as percentage goes up
pgr is just grind atp
Trial of simulacrum is just not it
me who haven't done the story since 2022 I'm feeling it
No real stake
Yeah
tos is shite
If you die just reboot
same with the story
And random conditions locking rewards
no i mean the loli thing is fine, lewding them isnt
u die u just restart with no penalties
story also restricts alot of gameplay
so shite to do
pgr is practically for wz xd
need help with team building
is pianissimo strong?
If pgr dont have wz id prob quit a long time ago
what team
ye same
Score malding is the only thing thats fun for me in pgr tbh
I unironically have more stuff to do in nikke than pgr
Ye, idek now what the purpose of me playing pgr, now not really have any non-competitive hard content and the new main chap (ch 34) is just snoozefest for romance🥀
so this game has nothing that just a bunch of masos
go outside, do something else constructive, play another game
Nikke has its own fair share of meta masos too 
I have more stuff to do in arknights than pgr lmao, arknights has auto ffs
this game isnt meant to be one u spend all day playing its a side hustle
it respects peoples time
https://huaxu.app/ap/players/24915447/characters
need to build fire team
Explore the 39 characters of Tiook. from the Asia-Pacific server of Punishing: Gray Raven.
well nowadays at least, in the past definitely not
is it gonna be gei + knightnami + empy?
I like that the game respect ppl’s time but again i also need solid side content like story and events to be good
the only reason I've played this game for 4+ years is because I don't actually need to spend much time
I need the optional content to be good
why its hidden
Dont have compassion to do it
full time job and stuffs
ye that i cant argue with, im clueless with story also im still on ch13
and the events suck xd
not my account 
At least we can all agree on this lmao
Very rare do they have good event
i really admire the people that play this game casually
well some xD but idk how they manage to do it
wdym go read 16h hour cinder burn chapter 
pyro vera wata if you have
peak gameplay
why are gacha events all just some candy crush brainrot
Dunno
because why not
A lot of casual people if they saw this would go "meta brainrot how about you experiment and actually learn to play a character for once instead of following rotations" 
oh ye
Pgr even have perma candy crush...sigh
free rewards
At least make a different fkin minigame
This is the last time I'm gonna mention nikke but the last few events they included suika, sorters, and even made a whole ass *metroidvania that takes like 15 hours to complete
me as a pgr player I would never do that
well i mean there is people that play for pure love of the game and chars, that is special
Pgr should make pvp atp, just that dont do leaderboard based rewards
osu in pgr when
That's not really pvp
an auto battler type shite
could also be culture difference regarding this stuff
but with kuro its probably not that xd
but pgr only exist becuz of china
Most game companies especially for mobile gonna target those east asia countries anyways
Because they neglect global
its a chinese game, u chose to play it no one forced u xd
Im count as casual nowadays
No time to mald effectivly
Just 1taps or when i get the flow i i funning on wz and hope better score
i've never said it's bad, it's just what it is
i mean in a perfect world, it would be nice for other cultures to be catered too but its not as easy as that
0 advertisement, 0 offline event
Not even a website to sell goods
atleast theres a site for the wallpaper
ye nothing wrong with that
there is only one right and one wrong and that is enjoyment
if u are enjoying ur time, u are doing something right for urself - if u arent then ♿
like i get to points where i dont enjoy playing and do the same as u and play mostly other games
but I always get pulled back by my main enjoyment in the game i dont get anywhere else
Yeah this keep me in
segs
Well i can in dota actually but the team aspect gets too annoying
I like malding
but life is life
Cant do anithing with that
Fair enough, for me personally im close to quitting atp
ye i have to watch my bosses' place from sat till sunday next week so i cant mald then
I can understand malding for your favorite team
Half of me somewhat enjoys the game and the other half just hates it
or when dealing with trashy employees that dont know how to work : D
I still somewhat enjoy wz and ppc but also hates the story
i hate the enemies in this game and some of the mechanics
Kinda in a rough spot rn with wether i should stick around longer or not lol
but that hate also creates love for it Dx stupid stupid stupid
just follow what ur body tells u, cant go wrong with that ever
Exactly how I feel with nikke mald
Spending 7 hours on a bossfight 
but if im honest with myself, usually i take breaks when i feel like i have too much skill issue
Yeah same as me with rl and cs2
Randos pretty inconsistent and inpredictable
Barly just playing with friends

ye with friends its way better
but playing alone for me these days I cant, my tolerance for dummies is too low Dx
and somehow i always get the guy that crashes out
is there any info or plan to bring back coop into the game
or a mix of both where one guy wants to play some stupid idea that doesnt work, which then makes another player crash out cause they are tired of the same thing from other games xd
kinda funny ngl but also big waste of time
what coop?
not so far
there is like an auto pvp in bianca's patch but its pretty zzzz
this game has coop ?
40% of my passion to play is cause of coop
before it has coop

coop endgame fr
how was it?
does co-op work well in any gacha actually?
They gonna bring the monster hunter one back, but dunno when
the boss died quickly tbh
confirmed?
imo coop doesnt even have to be good, it just needs to be an option
back in my day coop so annoying, the hitlag was so noticeable lmao
Yes, they confirmed it on bianca's livestream
idk if its bad may as well not have it
not to mention bugs and all that shite
is the info just "bring it back" or is it gonna become permanent mode?
That's dunno
not going to come back
Since the previous one just beta
The thing is, it's rlly bad
U fight the boss 21 times on high latency
if its tied to rewards, ye its bad
Eh, the rewards r useless
Doesn't feel like a coop either since ur not rlly doing anything together apart from fighting the boss
5star weps iirc?
Ye
any hero players what are your scores on ss0 plasma team in wz
4.8m (na) ik im bricked
yea reported
ss3 lilith right?
ye
how much weapon reso on plasma team
121 (2 on nana tho)

what rot u do with ss0 lucia
12515
idk if its even worth i might just hit 4.5m only since i only have 1 reso on pyro rest dont have
already got 4.3m with ice

plsma fun tho 
What invest
I had 22.33 112 6m in hero last time we had mobs plasma
ice team haver 

wdym rest doesnt do anything
artimeto be clearing a few waves 

223 6min
6.46one tap
How
6m wantapable?
6m what invest
wait lemme get that 1 pic
found it
Duo last ion
does the BP mean anything? is Lucia CW stronger than nanami?
bp means nothing
that nanami is significantly stronger than your cw
Yep
bp means nothing? bm means battle power 👍
though it contributes to nothing except in norman
also how does the synergy between characters work? can I use Lucia CW and Nanami with lilith
same element/affix = synergy 
same element, always.
one tank, one attacker, one amplifier
lucia and cw work. lilith does not
same element with 3 main class ,attacker tank amplifire
use Feral
why some team use different element
battle mewers ?
battle moggers
affix teams or weird zaza
then is it ok to use dante, nanami and feral?
switch out feral for geiravoir
feral no
i dont have her yet
then get her
Feral is free
free
Unless you mean geiravor
free public property
In which case can't get her for now
how often can I get memory resonance books?
Or is it fine to use memory shards/memory dupes to gamble memory resonance for nanami
just gamble it
really depends on your wz performance
Use simulated battliefield points
use your simulation token or wtv it doesn't matter
but perfect reso will always be late game stuff to do
I just started sooo yeah do I just do her resonance later
you will not feel it until you know how the damage works
build all your teams first
random resonance to ultima unit,then focus on other unit after finishing ultima
i have one book tho for nanami
Thank you so much @shy jackal @zenith thorn @nova forum maybe Ill just save book for another unit, ill gamble resonance for now to ultima
Thank you so much @DMC Collab Arrived, Time To Kiwi @❄CryoZero @安巴图康 maybe Ill just save book for another unit, ill gamble resonance for now to ultima

ur not altera lil bro
get altera'd
whaletera
I have 800 BC left and 10/30 pity on Hanying's sig 💔
idk if I should save the banner for Walter
hopefully MPA will save me
save for new bianca
once you got her, you can slowly pull hanying sig
MPA + BP can help
I only plan for Feral BP and MPA's tho
if you're gonna buy future MPA's then play the long game
I might have to buy MPA on walter patch because of spending event, might have to buy up to 2 MPA's and 1 feral pass which would cost around 128 RC
should be enough to get both
plus, its only a single S rank in a 2x patch
hopefully
we're still not sure if next patch is double

so better have plan b
is it legit 11k?
Do u have any ref for 333 phys ib this week
yeah, not even counting the BC I believe
no
you'll have to ping someone in office
HOPEfully 🙏
@ken he is not here isnt it
@turbid bridge 

OH THERE IS, thats good
I like to be rewarded for swiping😌
Do u have the spending event milestones and rewards?
Is there a tier list on the meta?
S rank = meta
Omg karenina ember meta 
Fairs
anyone know where this voice clip is from 😭
is this worth it guys? first time whaling
🧱
"
1949"
NOOOOOOOOO
Thank you
Who is better for Vergil and Pyroath or Alpha
alisa for vergil, wanshi and kale to complete your ice team
I have no ice character
Urm I am new
point still stand, hell it's amplified
based on your statement, get alisa first, then get those 2
point still stand
based on your statement, get alisa first, then get those 2
Should I max her all skills? and promote her ?
||also not so fun fact: vergil won't work without S hanying||
doesnt that apply to dante too
when is this event coming?
Bianca patch
vergil simp, dante out of the topic 
thanks
Do u have a pic?
Is it good for Echo? Or should I melt the selector for Vergil weapon resonance
Does anyone have the spending event milestones and rewards?
how to rot ss3 phys hanying?
u have dlt?
simple
why cant we say the f word
stab
slash slash slash stab slash slash stab repeat and miss every single dooking stab
we dont use ult2?
u do
opening:
3r1y + green -> ult -> 3b + tap ult 3x -> (don't consume anymore orb) hold ult -> 1y
onward swaps:
3r1y + green -> ult -> 3b + tap ult 3x -> (don't consume anymore orb) hold ult
3r1y + green -> ult -> 3b + tap ult 4x (consume 3blue) -> hold ult
1yellow
2nd ult need you to ping matrix red 
why tho
to fill the gauge
aight thanks then
Any way to get less than 10s on knight Madorea?
I’m doing Wanshi 6 shots + ult
Without reload
his hell benchmark score is 9s
What builds
i used
wanshi 4list 4cjy matrix
kale 2ein 2guin 4sam
any tank with dd 4dv 2gloria 2lantern
sss wanshi tho
It won't work if you use ishy
Oh srsly?
nvm
Yeah
forgot there's no gen 3 ice amp
Ish won't do anything if you have 2 tanks
But my kale is s0😭
I’ll just take the 10s clear it’s fine
What invest is vera and pyroath
And do they have sig with weapon resonance
With sig and resonance?
No Vera? 
And what about vera
Idc about vera since I skip her
I’m dead
Okay so your fire team is cooked
You just lost your main dps
So now Pyroath has to carry again
Yea fire team cooked 3.5M average I need to find another rot
Oof
My fire team with vera gets 6m
Get her soon if you can
Ss3
Depend
SS0 vera and SS3 pyroath yeah
But if you're not getting vera, wata just holds 4alphonse 4shakespeare
So what build?
Alr
wait leader or starter
oh right fire dmg vs atk buff
What
vera buffs team atk as lead
pyro buffs fire dmg
5% fire on amps also
so not worth over pyro leader?
Vera overkills
No because Vera is already too strong
oic
Setting her as leader makes her overkill waves even more
just clear 1 wave with hold basic and ult for next wave
Wait for ion
Who run Einstein?
I think Nanami run 4 sig 4 Heisen and Lilith run 4 dv 4 guin?
no one
Aight that’s what I thought
ion kills wave so fast that using eins would be wasteful
What about pain cage?
this ion is weird as hell, only getting 5.2mil
phat whel

how i win against whels like these
What second reso on nanami for ion 

Incan
Is building Shukra a must for Wanshi Lucid dreamer team?
i think the meta ice is Qu Shukra and the free 2 ice team on dorm right?
If you want to swap
Solo Wanshi is not a very enjoyable experience
Nor is it as effective.
what you gonna do without her?

Wata >>>>> Qu
Wait what is this selector, it cant be the one from last patch...
Nanami>wata
mobile players need a 3rd hand
So true man
=>qu>wata
why would you auto click?
daren
that character is already mid enough and getting banned cuz of her is just sad
Its definitely a ban if caught
Did they add autoclick on pc because of it?
I wouldn't use it ofc, just saying it could work if someone is crazy enough 
her hold addition was probably just qol i don't think cheating had anything to do with it
i think the "auto clicker" was a 3s feature from the get go
where u would just hold ba and it would spin really fast by itself
but then leap came and fk that feature
lmfao
i think ive been nerfing myself by playing on mouse camera controls
is ss3 pyroath r1
sss lilith r2
ss3 nanami r2
is it possible to reach 600w on legend?
Yes
maybe
I see, is it better not to do 5 ult rot in every waves? been doing that and only hitting 500w so far
Depends
on what specifics?
enemies
can you elaborate?
Placements of mobs, their hp varies
every week diff
no
So what better or not weed to change as well cuz of it
uh what's the mem set for ignition war zone and pain cage?
i think i might have build it wrong somewhere
whats the recommendation for me to pick from this i have:
Crimson,Feral,nanami as a team atm
dont have a 2nd or a 3rd team developed but S units i have i guess are Virgil SS (with weapon) Daemonissa S (with weapon and cub)
is this the standard banner?
Idk I am just asking cuz I want my boi Wanshi to be op
no
thats the thunderbolt selector
does it have Vera in it?
Selector from last patch
no. its up to nana
then either Hanying or Lucia
have you used your standbard banner choice option?
yea thats how i got nanami
i would say probably Hanying
but im also biased cause ngl i just dont really like Hanying
mm...
Many of us dislike Hanying but cant deny how important she is
i think the ideal route is picking nana from thunderbolt manual and then depending on when you start using standard banner for somebody important you've missed. tough spot for you
I would normally say pyroath but you seem to be a dmc boy
im not really a dmc boy lmao
Hanying is basically Daren #2 with how resource intensive she is
Currently, I'd say Pyroath because no one can kill Veronica but her
i didnt even download the game for dmc i just pulled virgil because i read around that collab characters rarely come back so i decided to grab him
no SS3 AND DLT? yeah you're fck
Just SS0R1 is fine
then probably Lucia then
Its possible to kill Skych with Keklena alone, but no one can kill Veronica
SS3 isn't a need
i think pyroath is #1 choice for your account followed by luna imo
luna opens you up to using zaza comps
especially with who you are missing
ngl at this point basically just wait for the 3rd void unit to come
cause by that time feel like they gonna be doing so much daamge Luna probably isnt gonna be on field or something
i love how the benefits you statedd for Luna isn't even about void 
because its not about void 
Nihil forever shafted
if you don't have ish ignore void
Luna is fun zaza
I don't think she's as important as Hanying thohh
Hear me out
Alpha future Nihil Annihilator 
no
alright i guess ill just pick pyro then
i need both Hanying and Daren gone
Good way to shaft Alpha while still giving her fan a chance to cope
pls Veronica be a dark tank
luna helps me do solo dark and lightning runs. been helping me a lot retaining or even climbing to legend with it
running Nanaknight solo with DLT is really really rough now
^^ zaza op
Light Umbra Attacker would be ideal
Kill Alpha + finish Darkflow team so Kusogame can launch Darkflow contents without it feeling like shjt
21 also need to be gone asap
Alpha will get a new frame anyway, we all know it
liv ice amp surely

Kuro’s balancing is so terrible
Like how do you have a whole month of testing and you still make character that is so strong you basically have to run them solo
Cause everyone else is too weak
They fked up again with Bianca, she's way too strong now that I'm afraid we won't get a new Dark Tank anytime soon
That's what I was worried about too
Is Bianca also forced to solo entire dark zone?
No lol
wish they would buff some older characters. not to the level of newer ones but at least to a level where they're not deadweight
Not solo but super annoying rotation because they have to adapt to Daren terrible shred
Ohhhhhh it's so bad I'm gonna 

The problem wouldn’t have happened if the jump between each generation isn’t this far about
Like why does the next character have to deal from 3-5 times the damage the old units deal
Feel like gen 1 and gen 2 and gen 3 should have like a 2.5 jump at most between each generation
Now the hp is getting so bloated using any gen 1 unit for a normal (non end game) event take 10 minutes to kill
Imagine if Veronica is a Dark Tank, guess whats gonna happen
- Team power increases by atleast 30%
- Score improve to beyond anything we've seen, likely 24-25m
- Lilith becomes QTE bot
- New Dark boss stronger than Lloyd, Projection is going to Outlier
A future where a 27m HP boss is going to Outlier? INSANE
if veronica is a dark tank, it will be the first team to have all 3 members from gen 3 right
Hm power wise we can consider Fire team a full gen 3 team now...
Wata with Leap is a worthy gen 3 unit
Yeah isn’t Wata basically a gen 3
I see him as gen 3, some ppl still don't though
Yes
He was the first gen 3 tank in term of buff before leap
So he pretty much is the gate way to gen 3 anyway
If we're considering empyrea, capriccio, and nanamech as gen 2 then wata should be gen 3
Cause of no affix but he has pretty much every attributes we can see from other gen 3 tanks
And now he has affix
With that said, beta Fire team with Wata leap couldn't even outscored Dark

Seriously what have you done Solon, this is too much
He doesn't have gen 3 damage unfortunately
Soon he will, thanks to the leap
I mean even in the same gen the damage is growing
The gen isn’t based on the damage but the function
The first gen 2 unit barely deal as much damage as the last gen 2 unit
Fire team is the most balance between all members now, beautiful
If we forget about ayla ice is so

but now the problem is Wata also probably gonna be kicked out first
there's no way they be kicking out Lucia first
so now let see how many patch he can survive with leap
also yeah
lately, the leap are just adding affixes
they dont give huge damage buff or kit QoL like before anymore
He's a dedicated Darkflow tank so he'll survive quite a bit
His leap does make him stronger
The problem wouldn’t have happened if the jump between each generation isn’t this far about
Like why does the next character have to deal from 3-5 times the damage the old units deal
Feel like gen 1 and gen 2 and gen 3 should have like a 2.5 jump at most between each generation
Now the hp is getting so bloated using any gen 1 unit for a normal (non end game) event take 10 minutes to kill
Lilith will be tertiary dps like how Epitaph is
Poor man got nerfed though
imagine going out of your way to add affix for Daren
and she is barely in ion content for 3 patch
but she still have to serve dark zone
Possibly 37m boss
does he build darkflow stacks like vera or spend like alpha
Thats too low, 40m minimum
1 blaze orb = 1 stack
Lloyd 35m already
27m HP going to Outlier sounds insane
Unless they pull a Selena and don't add a boss
Do they only have 2 bosses per element?
Yes only 2
Damn Lilith retired in cn
So yeah, a new Dark tank is that big of an issue
they really need to take a chill pill
like while yes making a char too weak is not good, but making this much of a jump between each gen is also just not healthy
like why is the god damn support and tank keep outdoing the dps
still so funny they decided to replace lamia instead of scire. they could just make dianca a tank
We are not calling her dianca
This is why I massively doubt the possibly of Veronica Fire tank
The new Fire tank would be so insane that they would kick both Wata and Lucia out of the field
On everybody's soul we're calling her walter
Bianca, Lucia and Alpha cant be anything other than attacker
Vera can be anything but attacker
I can understand that with veronica since her boss element is fire
Wont change much tbh, Lamia fated was sealed
A new Dark tank would 100% kick her out, rotating with Lilith
i need it to be dark tank PLS
Just imagine if we get a new Lightning Amp
It would be the end of CW just the same
Watch veronica not even be a tank

but yeah 21 also need to go
And be like a lightning amplifier or something
I would love a new lighting amp
I do want a new Lightning Amp, more power for my Nanami why not
would 21 be considered gen 3?
Ofc not she's gen 2
I see
No affix, gen 2 passive
I'll still use cw even with the new amp if it happen
I'll try my best 
Ice liv 
All I ask for is that they don't inflate the stats too much within the current gen
Need her now
if they do inflate keep it within affix content
Karenina hails eternal lol
would be quite fun if they made another karenina and we get 2 meta kareninas

please make a new karenina to kill off hanying
she needs to be off the meta asap
schizo bish, doesnt even know what Gen 3 does, despite being a gen 3
I mean why not, wasn't watanabe always an attacker and they made him a tank with ephitaph now
It seems they're actually trying to balance affix now ngl
You can probably notice how most affix teams have only one main DPS, the other can barely deal dmg
Only exception is Ignition because Vera and Nanami are too cracked
Don't blame hanying blame phys for being dogshit
damn the Hanying hate 
how dogshit is phys in comparison to a different element team really
Actually physical is really good
It's just Hanying who sucks
im not blaming Hanying for phys being doodoo
im blaming her for true slash being doodoo
I don’t know about yall but my ss3 selena is way out damaging my fire team for example
It seems Kusogame is trying to avoid another Vera Nanami issue by nerfing Wata Darflow really hard
yeah I agree she’s complete ass
yeah, and honestly it's a good way of segregating the stats inflation. New frames would do REALLY good for this one zone or against this one PPC boss only
Enablers dealing high dmg is too cracked
They just want to keep cw in the team
as much as I love her design wise
Vera doesn't deal cracked damage
doesn’t she outdamage lucia in fire though?
Also that ye because in beta the best Darkflow team was Vera Wata Daren 
the problem with Hanying is at base SS + sig alone she can barely even count as an enabler for true slash
it basically dont even exist
maybe not cracked but cracked for her role maybe
For something off ele, she deals wayyyy too much dmg
is SSS6 Shukra worth it ?
Main ele has like half dmg in affix zones and Vera still manages to enter the field
or do i go 3.6 Feral/Echo?
In Nihil team her 1 ult rotation into 1 ult Luna out-performs Luna 2 ult rotations. So she's definitely doing some dmg. (granted Luna's stats is showing age)
Luna is on dead list after Qu
Wait fr
?
I'll actually not play double rot Luna then
How your wata?
S+
might differ depending on your invest, but for my 333 111 team yeah
I guess echo
Too whale
bruh wdym Qu
feel like ice team is doing pretty decently
like sure she's aged
but it doesnt feel as brutal as the other element right now
wouldn't Feral or Shukra shards be worth it
Feral relegated to QTE bot
i use parhelion for lightning
since she can timestop aboos
Not really decent, they're like 2x weaker than Dark
The worst ele team in CN currently
feel sadge man, Oblivian's design is one of my favs
It is what it is
Okay
or maybe i just pick whatever char shards i already have S+
luna is fire
to have 1/3 new char
No she's nihil
hah hah.
Could do that and save it for bianca
😭
New Luna in 1 year trust
My Uncle is John Kuso
Cool
luna is gonna get replaced by vonnegut 
Von Nugget Nihil Amp/Tank to complete the team
Since they reset the story timeline they are gonna do more ascendants stories right? (copium
Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm ummmmmmmm
Ye they can use it as an excuse to make more frames just like Bianca
luna should have upgraded roland's frame instead of lamia
i already have my tickets for that since this is saving patch
Example, Alpha finally embrace the full power of the Ascnet to protect Luna > new frame so ez
Basically what Vergil did
Accepted his human side > turned out he's pretty nice guy

Make sense
jackpot

Liv Empyrea gets upgraded? Coping or hoping
Nihil teams always have unique classes tho, so maybe a potential Von frame would have some whacky class skill that's gonna break nihil
as long as ish isn’t oowercrept for a good while I honestly don’t care, she’s my goat
powercrept
lol
Ish is making it so confusing man
Wait
Since in lore we are back to Balter patch and Crepuscule story is basically an alternative representation of Across the Ruined Sea (Stigmata story)
Does that mean Lee might get upgraded?
she matches everyone at max rank upgrades except scire edr buff
Von's gimmick is gonna be all affixes like how Luna is all elements
Like how is she gonna work when we get a new Nihil tank
Which Amp is she copying?
Yooo
how long is it really gonna be till a new nihil tank comes out though
that's the idea with the reset, anything is possible, any new frames is possible. PGR for another 5 years LETS GOOO
She just gets gen 3 amp buffs
realistically 💀
if anything they’ll make a nihil amp
A tank would have more impact
but ish is already tank
exactly why I don’t think they’d do it
Nihil is unique guys, gotta think outside the 3 class system
also true to be fair
Thanks Kusogame for making it confusing af
pretty cool tbh, confusing, but cool
Wanna see a funny thing?
I haven’t even been playing that long and yea 😭 proper confusing but I’m liking it as well
And for what? Ass Nihil zone once every month
Ish probably my fav in terms of character design (visually and gameplay wise)
this one gets it
slightly behind selena for me but super close
How come we still havent gotten a Nihil boss in UPPC
at least it's interesting right?💀
I think ish’s gameplay is more satisfying though. that axe kick is pure neuron activation
No one's ready to break shield for score

4000% Physical Damage on swap out saving Vergil's ass
isn't 3S stigmata faster
Ib have the void shield
IB Void is pepega
Too much inputs
Did you see that one video where the guy dodge cancels Vergil blue 3 pings to ult asap and switches out
Me dead
Saw it just now
yep that one
Anywyas







