📨・meta-help

[pallid cypress]

is 15 seconds with this guide good?

[gilded flint]

you have sss echo?

[wet tusk]

where in gods green earth did you get a picture of selena driving a car??? 😭 💔

[gilded flint]

because thats a massive buff

[pallid cypress]

nope

[gilded flint]

oh shi misread

[pallid cypress]

oh right i misread

she is still SS0

[gilded flint]

?

The echo in the vid is sss

[pallid cypress]

yeah thats why i said i misread

[gilded flint]

Oh

We are both

[pallid cypress]

and i used my vouchers for her leap

[gilded flint]

15s knight if thats what youre talking about yea

[pallid cypress]

yep

[gilded flint]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pallid cypress]

i know

[chilly trail]

Doing glacio rot on hell not enough dmg?

[pallid cypress]

stupid on my part, no wait i used my vouchers on SS3 lilith and SSS0 wanshi

nevermind, didnt blow my vouchers on the leap

i blew them on wanshi and lilith

[lament yoke]

Oi

[gilded flint]

I didnt test glacio because theres 40% phys shred and I just went to auto pilot phys

[feral pollen]

bro this is going straight into brickistan hall of fame

[chilly trail]

No, just selena hold dodge - 6white - hold dodge

[pallid cypress]

i already remembered i used my vouchers on SSS0 wanshi and SS3 lilith

[gilded flint]

Yea that doesnt do enough dmg for my invest, unless theres qte malding involved

[pallid cypress]

see?

[gilded flint]

22.32 111 111

[white oriole]

Oh god am I cooked?

[gilded flint]

You cooked

[white oriole]

Wantap

[gilded flint]

Your wantap did 200k higher than my wantap

[white oriole]

Slacc bracket

[gilded flint]

You can prolly do better tho

[white oriole]

I can see myself doing 4-5 more waves

[peak halo]

I also coming to home
How seen my slacc bracket

[sly geyser]

coming?

[gilded flint]

I think comming = commuting

I am smar

[pallid cypress]

no wonder i cant do this guy times

they are a freaking whale

is 20 seconds in chaos good?

[gilded flint]

Yea

[pallid cypress]

im gonna try with 4 guin, 2 davinci on alisa

[gilded flint]

No SSS echo no 1st amendment rights

Glacio?

[peak halo]

I had the baddest english in the world

[pallid cypress]

no, normal physical

[azure barn]

huh why

[pallid cypress]

im gonna try glacio tho

[gilded flint]

then don't 4 guin

unless glacio

4 phillips

[pallid cypress]

would lilith need luna?

because last week i screwed myself by bringin wanshi into trail blazer

[azure barn]

if your Scire is below SS3 then yeah

[pallid cypress]

and was screwed against primal projection

[pallid cypress]

so luna, wanshi and ish?

[azure barn]

what mode are u trying to do tho

[pallid cypress]

im not doing glacio then

[pallid cypress]

PPC

started with skych

[gilded flint]

Nuh uh, you will still have bad ass english in the world

[pallid cypress]

save?

[gilded flint]

And to defend myself that was more of an expression of logic because I thought comming = comuting, which makes my sentence still be correct

[twilit haven]

Ur still correct tbh

[sly geyser]

playing on PC and not even 13s smh

[pallid cypress]

no SSS alisa

[sly geyser]

oh

what r u waiting for

[pallid cypress]

and its chaos

[sly geyser]

[gilded flint]

Chaos?

[pallid cypress]

oh wait

[gilded flint]

I thought it was hell

[sly geyser]

bricked score

[pallid cypress]

sorry wrong picture

@gilded flint

[sly geyser]

still 20s ?

[gilded flint]

Can get like 16s

[pallid cypress]

already saved

[gilded flint]

Oh my

[pallid cypress]

at least i will be able to shred lilith with wanshi and luna

[formal radish]

Im cooked

I have to use Vera on cradle

[lament yoke]

Hi kj

[formal radish]

Hi mambo

[sly geyser]

ofc ai is cooked

[pallid cypress]

could have been worse

[frank kindle]

what did u do

[formal radish]

Use lilith on lilith

[sly geyser]

630k skych or brick

[frank kindle]

not even 620k, brick

[lament yoke]

Only 2.2 with solo vera

[formal radish]

I have to get 630 on skych and 600 on cradel or I'm not getting 1.85 this week

[young badge]

630k

[formal radish]

I think my fire wantap was 5.6m yeah

[frank kindle]

legend?

[formal radish]

I think I can get 6m

[lament yoke]

You have wata tho

[sly geyser]

hero ofc

[formal radish]

I'm in hiiro

[frank kindle]

[sly geyser]

fkin knew it

[lament yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-he-doesnt-know-pepe-gif-14019260

[frank kindle]

need more resos

[formal radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1175175990020952094/1351458706977456191/Gagamaru.gif

[crimson swan]

My god my hands are gonna fall apart lol

Malded burn for 3hrs and still garbage score

[sly geyser]

r3 vera and u should be fine

[frank kindle]

fund me then

[young badge]

how 4m dark

[sly geyser]

fk whel

[lament yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267535702854340699/1318583254667886702/gato_agua.gif

[frank kindle]

wdym how

[sly geyser]

no need funding

[crimson swan]

Isnt your fire a bit low

[formal radish]

My invest on fire is 2.32.32 122 111

[young badge]

my dark is cooked

[sly geyser]

just swipe more

[formal radish]

I need to work on on my dark a little lol

[frank kindle]

222.3 111

[formal radish]

I should have atleast 5m

I only got 3.4m on my wantap

[sly geyser]

the 111 is reso or ht

[peak halo]

I guess i see
Its a good info
My English is very poor and started to use less the translaters

[formal radish]

Now that's a bad onetap

[frank kindle]

What is this slacc bracket

[gilded flint]

Just zaza and wait for bianca

[crimson swan]

Im 2.32.32 312 but my rot is the same with ss0

[young badge]

[formal radish]

Yeah I will tomorrow

SSSR3 lilick these newbies won't know what hit them

[crimson swan]

Also 6.2m on a decent run

[formal radish]

But also I'm with a whel in my bracket

[frank kindle]

u got nuke qte lucia + 2 resos and 1 additional reso on gera

[cobalt prawn]

I’m in a slacker bracket again, no one has done any runs yet

[formal radish]

Wata doesn't need dlt anymore from my testing

So i just gave him resonant echo

[gilded flint]

I hope your english journey sails with calm waves

[cobalt prawn]

Oooh yay

[formal radish]

R0 wata havers rejoice!

[cobalt prawn]

Cuz he has that orb transfer mechanic now right?

[crimson swan]

It actually doesnt do much vera overkills too much

[formal radish]

The what

[cobalt prawn]

From his leap

[formal radish]

No this is pre leap watanabe

[gilded flint]

You dont even need dlt before leap

[cobalt prawn]

Oh

[gilded flint]

I have wata rot

[crimson swan]

Dont have enough dmg to clear trash and not enough to execute

[cobalt prawn]

I don’t even have wata so

[frank kindle]

it does a lot on tanky bears

[cobalt prawn]

[formal radish]

I can't even tell if my pyroath qte is actually doing anything

Vera's damage is too spread out

Their hp is always going down

[crimson swan]

Doesnt matter when vera whiffs the slash of ult just because her jumping around kill it

Also now that you mention it fire has so little bears

Like 4/26 or something

[frank kindle]

around 20 should be one too

[crimson swan]

I dont count the first 6 waves cuz they died too quick

[spiral merlin]

Phys took all the bears

[frank kindle]

oh ye phys is dank af too with bears

[crimson swan]

Nah dark

Dark has even more bears

Almost every wave have bears

[spiral merlin]

eu phys is the same

[crimson swan]

Wait nvm you eu

[peak halo]

Bearzone?
Long time ago not had a true one

[frank kindle]

ofc im eu

[crimson swan]

Dark is bear zone so im bricked on dark

Fire is ok for now phys i cant play hanying

[peak halo]

At least hero will be tanky

[frank kindle]

im always going unga bunga on dark untill it works

[crimson swan]

Like i killed the construct or whatever goes along bear

[frank kindle]

once wata is here i'm whaling vouchers on resos after sss wata

[crimson swan]

And the bear just stands there menacingly with almost 3 bars left

Also around wave 20 or so 3 stack lilith ult with full qte dont one shot them

[peak halo]

Bears had more hp than a actual boss in ppc on legend late waves specialy on w28

Its taked 2 vera ult last week

[crimson swan]

They have less hp but more other stats i think

Cuz they die much quicker if you have some kind of shred

The boss you can kinda brute force them

Dw them eating a whole plasma slash and not dying says alot

[peak halo]

I hope its bearable

[crimson swan]

Dies cuz unbearable

[peak halo]

[gray beacon]

Why😭

[frank kindle]

wdym why

[ripe stag]

can't wait to see myself getting crushed by random Vergil users in Ultima Slash warzone

While I do Glacio or whatever the 2nd zone is

[true pivot]

they dont even know how to play him optimally, ur fine

[glossy pasture]

i need help with team build i run this one and is it worth to replace lux with No.21?

[peak halo]

one tap phys
at least its better than my legend run

[shy jackal]

They just gonna spam jc

[shy jackal]

Yes, and cw should not be your starter

[lucid mountain]

is this foreshadowing on how you need to "get good"?

[shy jackal]

It should be feral/liv, then you swap to cw

I have to ask though, where is your startrail

Garnet old af

[simple dew]

where can i fight the gardener in celicas class

i wanna test some things

[twilit haven]

Someone please point me to a good plasma guide

[simple dew]

ss3 pyro or die

[twilit haven]

I have ss3 pyroath

[twilit haven]

So pretty please point the way 🙏

[simple dew]

i lost the rot im using

[slender sandal]

https://youtu.be/GLrYyQCus8U

[simple dew]

thank you for self promo

[slender sandal]

'

[noble zinc]

Hidden dalao

[young tiger]

UM.

1. is lamia meta?
2. is pgr a game where you have to play meta characters or can you build anyone

[frank kindle]

lamia is roasted by bianca in 1.5 month

[young tiger]

i mean i guess i have mats so im fine

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-bianca-bianca-crepuscule-crepuscule-punishing-gray-raven-pgr-gif-10008792888214096683

[last blade]

u get pulling currency from participating, not getting the highest score possible

so take that how you will

[young tiger]

OH YIPPEE

[frank kindle]

hope u didnt pull her anywhere

[simple dew]

having no tlc on this would be silly

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-bianca-crepuscule-bianca-crepuscule-crepuscule-pgr-bianca-pgr-gif-16929768483433618348

[last blade]

PITS

[thin turret]

this ulti makes me skip dmc ngl

this and the huge sword attack in effect form

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-lick-malamute-gif-27300348

[peak halo]

on 3s vera on a 233 pyro nana vera team:
how its good to do triple rot vera?

[spiral merlin]

walter so peak

[upbeat orchid]

One week and two days

[lament yoke]

Eos

[upbeat orchid]

Lmao

[fervent elm]

How much dmg increase will I expect going from ss9 wanshi to sss?

[upbeat orchid]

Is there a way to set up 2FA for this game's accounts?

[noble zinc]

Super big

[visual topaz]

Yes.

[fervent elm]

Awesome! This can’t come sooner.

[sick flower]

do you seriously consider keeping him ss9

[visual topaz]

prolly waiting for voucher shop reset

I'm 9 shards away from SSS0 Lucid and Daemonissa on my alts

[lament yoke]

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[gray beacon]

Wish that was now😔

Solo wanshi will be so much better.. i hope

[visual topaz]

is Veronica oneshot-able in CR

[final fog]

She still has to do that move

You can one shot after that

[visual topaz]

what a timeloss

[gray beacon]

Story or roguelike modes faster bc / event ticket farming?

[final fog]

Tundra

[gray beacon]

Feck

Suffering here we come

[final fog]

There is a strat to make it faster

Like much faster than doing it normally

[gray beacon]

I dont get how u do that whole redo thing

Oop

Msg deleted

[visual topaz]

not on my watch

next time you bypass the filter is a formal warn

[gray beacon]

Damn im only insulting myself😔

[final fog]

#📨・meta-help message

[gray beacon]

Do i need to max out certain stats for it to work?

Reconstructing confuses me

[final fog]

Whel

[sick flower]

should have spent the money on a new device

[gray beacon]

Wth bro 1s😭

[gray beacon]

Maybe its just screen recording quality?

[final fog]

Ishmael time stop is op

[gray beacon]

I kinda want her skins but money😔

Both if them are so delish

This one and that green one✨️

[sick flower]

i am 80% sure its about the games resolution

[gray beacon]

Maybe

Oh well

[sick flower]

and that explains the lack of graphic quality too

[gray beacon]

True

[final fog]

Yea i think its in the skill tree

[compact yoke]

Guess so

[gray beacon]

Oh rigjt okay

Thats prob my issue then-

[final fog]

Lucky you this strat exists

I had to do it the old fashioned way

Torture

[gray beacon]

I have been doing old way

Once i max skill tree ill do new way

2 kids and a twink😔

[naive sigil]

hi there, brand new player here and I'm wondering if there is a starter guide for the game. What to prioritize, what to spend my resources on, etc. Kinda overwhelmed with everything there is

also is it worth trying to get 1 copy of pianissimo before the banner ends, considering fresh account?

[gray beacon]

Vera prob better

Paino u can get in anniversary banner

[naive sigil]

vera is the red spear lady? how come she's better?

is anniv soon?

[formal radish]

Yeah

[gray beacon]

Shes more versatile and also u cannot get her in the anni banner

[naive sigil]

ah, so wiser allocation of resources

[woven oracle]

Is it recommended to pull for thunderbolt in his case

[frank kindle]

Wdym

Thunderbolt is up to nanami

[hallow sentinel]

is this confirmed? KR patch notes only show anniversary banner only being up to lilith but not sure if that's how it actually is in game

[naive sigil]

is it good to pull for jetavie and her weapon? I tried her out and enjoy her kit

[simple dew]

no

[formal radish]

She's free

[simple dew]

shes free to sss+

[naive sigil]

wait she's free? how

[simple dew]

spend serum

[naive sigil]

hmmm

[hallow sentinel]

serum consumption missions

[naive sigil]

oh wow lol

yeah I guess I missed that. Sorry, like I said, new player, shit's super overwhelming with like 20902384r023905823490562349058 menus

what about her weapon?

[formal radish]

It's not free but

She's an a rank I wouldn't pull for it

[hallow sentinel]

generally don't want to pull for an A rank's weapon

[gray beacon]

Is the basic idea to reconstruct every part of AT?

[formal radish]

What

[gray beacon]

You do not unless ur fine with bricked account

[gray beacon]

Like every area of awakening tundra

[naive sigil]

pulling for A rank weapon = bricked account?

[gray beacon]

Pretty much

[formal radish]

Uh no I don't usually go that far

[naive sigil]

jesus, is this game that stingy with pulls

[gray beacon]

No

Its just really not worth

[naive sigil]

i see... shame, was really enjoying daybreak's kit

[gray beacon]

Get her 5star and 3 reso it instead

[formal radish]

You can pull it if you're not playing for meta

[naive sigil]

oh, so she's still worth using

[formal radish]

Not in 2 patches not really

[gray beacon]

Yeah u can use her but even lamia>jetavie

[naive sigil]

i see lol

[gray beacon]

I mean

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-bianca-bianca-crepuscule-crepuscule-punishing-gray-raven-pgr-gif-10008792888214096683

[gray beacon]

Personally i would get her 5star and max it out just in case

Give it some time b4 u impulsively pull

[gray beacon]

Oh eluu whel im trynna use ur AT strat rn🙏✨️

[frank kindle]

nice

tundra?

[gray beacon]

Yup

[frank kindle]

not mine strat tho, i just made vid

[gray beacon]

I was wondering why i couldnt reconstruct till i realised i had to unlock it first...

[gray beacon]

Helpful af either way

[naive sigil]

is 9 days enough to spend 6000 serum lol
funnily enough, that's about 666 serum a day

[formal radish]

My first run of the hardest difficulty I didn't even build a single thing

Didn't know you needed it

[slim pewter]

Yes? I mean u can spend all of that in 1 day on sim battle if u want

[naive sigil]

i don't even have that unlocked so I wouldn't know what that is 😂

but good to know it is possible, ty

i checked the newbie faq doc for advice on how to use my S rank selector and it did not have any suggestions lol

best pick here?

[rose yew]

Exactly

[frank kindle]

tenebrion is okay choice

[rose yew]

@unkempt grotto im gonna be MIA in MRE server til Saturday so don't ping me here

[gray beacon]

Wait how dyu know how many levels u will get if u leave at a certain point in the AT game?

[frank kindle]

amount of pools u click

more u click = more exp

[gray beacon]

I clicked a lot more but got the same amount as last time without reconstruction

[simple dew]

what at game

[gray beacon]

Pools are the squares right?

[gray beacon]

Like literally double

[gray beacon]

Awakening tundra

[earnest owl]

What has better value ss3 Walter or Selena?

[gray beacon]

We dont know yet

Id wait a bit tho

[rose yew]

It's always the newer unit

[gray beacon]

Also is there a cap in levels u can get per tundra run?

[frank kindle]

selena

[normal sierra]

bruh dis skych briccing my runs with his giga hitlag attacks

[frank kindle]

what times u getting

[normal sierra]

9s knight done, now trying for 10s chaos

but that seems impossible with all the hitlags we get there

[fickle oasis]

i think max you can get from 5x is 4k something tickets

[gray beacon]

?

[fickle oasis]

those tickets that you earn to increase in level for rewards

5x is the maximum tundra depth/difficulty

[frank kindle]

3800 iirc so around 4.5lvl-5lvl

need to check first vid

ye 3800

[fickle oasis]

swear i got 4400 from a 5x run yesterday??

[frank kindle]

nah

u also can almost cap in second stage

going from 4 to 5 lvls is another 30-40seconds so not worth

[gray beacon]

Well that explains a lot-

Ive been getting that every time

[astral dew]

do we have a cub tier list of sorts? trying to figure out which one I'm missing i should go for

[gray beacon]

At 1.6mil points and at 4.6mil points

[frank kindle]

that doesnt matter

[gray beacon]

Shame

[frank kindle]

it matters

[gray beacon]

How do i know when ive reached 3800?

[simple dew]

nanami/wanshi>current rate up> all else

[frank kindle]

56 pools clicked

[gray beacon]

Cuz i spend like 10-15each run cuz i finish thr whole thing

[gray beacon]

Ight ill click 60 then leave

[frank kindle]

just do strat in vid lmao

[gray beacon]

Yeah ik im slow

Rogue mode noob

[simple dew]

how long does it take to do tundra in 1 sitting

[frank kindle]

1h maybe less around 45-50min

[gray beacon]

Bro the amoujt of time i wasted

Well atleast i get it now

Thx welf the ultimate helper

[simple dew]

https://tenor.com/view/lain-iwakura-papas-pizzeria-lain-serial-experiments-lain-computer-gif-25242657

the tundra experience

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/coraline-dad-gif-typing-gif-18806780

[wintry parcel]

If you can afford a S rank cub, it is highly recommended to get the ones that are currently in the rate up drops that have 100% drop rate because it's the debut, this avoid the possibility of your pulls wasted to a random rate off S rank cub

So try to get Pianissimo Cub while it's still possible

Geiravor Cub is also very strong, highly recommended to get after you get Pianissimo Cub

[astral dew]

it is?

[wintry parcel]

Yes

[astral dew]

thought i saw people say it sucks lmao

[wintry parcel]

Geiravor damage is very good

[spiral merlin]

it kinda does

f2p/low spender can skip easily

another fire cub will do

[wintry parcel]

I guess that makes sense if you already own several other S rank cubs with a fire element

[astral dew]

unfortunately im not making the smartest choice atm by skipping selena in favor of the DMC units

[wintry parcel]

I see

[astral dew]

I'll probably save my cub pity for bianca

since vera's isnt that great

i could get veras and craft bianca's though

[wintry parcel]

That can work too

[gray beacon]

Oh shi ur saviour

[wintry parcel]

It's still gonna be sometime until the new Bianca comes to the global server

[gray beacon]

I did 4min and got full points

[quartz silo]

In a fire team without pyroath, who's the main dps between epitath and geiravor

[wintry parcel]

The DMC collaboration version is going to last for around a month

[gray beacon]

What would i do with the help channels😔

[wintry parcel]

Geiravor with sufficient investment

[silk sierra]

hi who do i pick? this is what i have

[quartz silo]

Sufficient investment meaning?

[wintry parcel]

I mean technically she's going to be the main dps still if both of your Epitaph and Geiravor is underleveled

[quartz silo]

Im not gonna pull for her sig until the collab is over

[wintry parcel]

Signature weapon with 1 weapon resonance is preferred

But if you don't want to, that's fine

[wintry parcel]

Kamui: Tenebrion is a decent pick

[quartz silo]

Yeah I know its gonna be subpar for a little while

[silk sierra]

do i replace anyone here for that?

[wintry parcel]

You can replace No.21 if you want to

Both Tenebrion and XXI are a Tank

[silk sierra]

ok ty

[wintry parcel]

You're welcome

[silk sierra]

btw this one?

[wintry parcel]

It's kinda whatever

You can choose Liv:Lux so that you can evolve her faster to a higher rank, she will help Nanami: Startrail as a support greatly if you have her

Otherwise you can choose whoever you want

[silk sierra]

is nanami new? is she in the current banner

[wintry parcel]

Nanami: Startrail is quite new

But she's not in the current banner

[zinc jungle]

do I sss feral, if I have ss3 everyone else (sss echo)?

[lapis elbow]

watch new liv be lightning amp 🙂

[frank kindle]

Imo

Get qu and again qu in bianca patch

[zinc jungle]

for sss qu?

[frank kindle]

Yea

[silk sierra]

i have these, are they any good? to replace teddy (sorry for so many pings and questions)

[gray beacon]

Istg last time i just gotta say thank u whelf cuz ur genuinly saving me sm time, yes ik its a strat thats already out there but i wouldnt have known if u didnt tell me

💖

[gray beacon]

Ayla is a decent qte bot for ice

Wym to replace teddy?

[silk sierra]

my team is teddy and the first 2 S character

[gray beacon]

Use luna ofc

[zinc jungle]

for levelling it doesn't really matter, but goal of the game is to build a team for every element

[gray beacon]

Yup

[zinc jungle]

ayla is for ice, teddy is for dark

[zinc jungle]

when will we know?

because I can sit on it for 7 weeks

[lapis elbow]

idk depends on if veronica or her is next

[frank kindle]

Why would u

Sss qu is best option for u since we know wata gets leap

[silk sierra]

no i mean, my current team is luna, kamui, teddy

[gray beacon]

Oh mb

Id add ayla prob

[waxen vine]

it is done

[zinc jungle]

kuro might leak something about new ice attacker

[gray beacon]

Altho tbh u dont rly have 1 team

[gray beacon]

Omg...

[silk sierra]

oh

[waxen vine]

@ripe stag i finally did it

[frank kindle]

They will not replace qu before ayla what u smoking

[waxen vine]

[gray beacon]

They better not, ayla gotta go

[frank kindle]

I suppose the closer we are to dmc the more brainrot ill see there

[gray beacon]

😭

The closer we are to dmc, the closer i am to temporary kiwi

[waxen vine]

lol

[true harbor]

hi! which website do we use again to share to others the current omniframes we have?

[twilit haven]

What memory set for solatune phys

[zinc jungle]

is wanshi or lilith sss3 worth it or should I save vouchers for something else

[fickle oasis]

huaxu.app

[obsidian dune]

can i use vergil isntead of selena 🤓

[wintry parcel]

Epitaph is getting a leap upgrade in the future version

You might consider him if your Epitaph isn't at SSS rank yet

[zinc jungle]

epitaph is getting added to voucher shop when?

[crimson garden]

SS3 uncle or shukra

[wintry parcel]

The version after the new Bianca

[wintry parcel]

Who's uncle?

[true harbor]

tysm 😄

[grave ingot]

I'm currently trying to resonate my memories for Alisa Echo, and it says skill 'level +1' is the best. But what does that actually mean in game? Is class skill her ping attacks? Or basic attack? Im using the item which lets you choose whatever resonance you want but I see nothing that says 'skill level +1'

[crimson garden]

watanabe

[wintry parcel]

Oh

SS3 rank upgrade for Epitaph is good

Although I just realized you can eventually get his rank up upgrades through the voucher shop now that he's getting a leap upgrade

I wouldn't really know which would be better

[obsidian dune]

i ss3 qu first

only if u got alot of vouchers

[wintry parcel]

That's true

[obsidian dune]

i use nanami fire

[calm panther]

thing is you'd rather just save vouchers for newer units

[obsidian dune]

so wata is dead to me before leap

[wintry parcel]

It's going to cost a lot to get a SSS rank character through the voucher shop

[true harbor]

based from this list of characters that I have, who should I get from the free selector, shukra or watanabe? https://huaxu.app/ap/players/29040343/characters

[calm panther]

like you'd rather just get wanshi and lilith

[crimson garden]

I was thinking that too, and then SSS him down the line.

[calm panther]

and after you have those 2 you'd rather save for next unit

unless you're like swimming in vouchers

[wintry parcel]

If you have neither of Epitaph and Shukra, you can get either one of them and it's going to be fine still

I would personally recommend Shukra

Since you already have Startrail, she can be used as an alternative for a fire tank especially in Warzone stage if you need one

[wintry parcel]

Honestly, I would just see how Epitaph goes in the Beta server right now

Because I've heard that he's used in the Darkflow team?

[calm panther]

"team"

but yes

[wintry parcel]

I'm not sure how it goes yet

I still haven't heard much news about it

[true harbor]

thank you sm!

[wintry parcel]

No problem

I'm glad to help

[calm panther]

as far as I'm aware you don't use cw in darkflow

as expected

but there's still not any darkflow content where you could even see how darkflow really works

even in beta, so

[crimson garden]

Alright thanks. Surely I won't forget claiming it within 7 days

[wintry parcel]

Good luck

[grave ingot]

Is 2 piece Patton or 2 piece Catherine better for Hanying Solicetune? For reference I plan to main Vergil and am trying to build her around him.

[slate gull]

2pc cath

your vergil will be on 4pc patton

[grave ingot]

@slate gull thank you! I'm new so I'm trying to utilize what little resources I have

[slate gull]

[twilit haven]

What memory set for solace tune phys team

[slate gull]

4sig, 4patton

[twilit haven]

As in signa?

And which on top

[slate gull]

signature memory = changwuzi

[slate gull]

doesnt matter

[twilit haven]

Bless

[shy jackal]

Darkflow tank specifically

Not even like cope dark tank, he only shreds df

They knew what they were doing

[sonic citrus]

Daren taking CW spot for dark flow.

[shy jackal]

Scire lives another fcking patch

[slate gull]

isnt he the main dps in darkflow

[shy jackal]

Thats only if they plan on allowing dark shred to stack with df shred though

[shy jackal]

For now I think yea

Since iirc even vera out-dps's cw df dmg?

[calm panther]

if not scire, then lilith

but yeah cw is not gonna be in that team ever

Also, yeah, I find the fact that Scire was protected against wata hysterical

these mfs really don't want her to die ever

[shy jackal]

At least the one good thing they did to make up for the fact that wata can't be used as dark tank is make his base affix shred high as fck

[slate gull]

im fine if daren never dies

[shy jackal]

It starts at 40% and becomes 60% at 3s

[slate gull]

juicy

[calm panther]

they could've at least split it

[slate gull]

wdym split

[shy jackal]

Even splitting it would've made daren obsolete tbh

That's how bad she is

[shy jackal]

Like give partial dark/darkflow shred

Like how lilith gives some light buffs but at 3s she only gives plasma buffs

Kuro did that so she wouldn't send feral packing

[slate gull]

ahhh

[shy jackal]

I'm pretty sure if kuro split it everyone would use wata over daren for dark

Shred field that ticks in timestop, qte procs shred field, actual decent damage, fast rotation, like it's so bruh

[calm panther]

I'm just surprised they care

as if scire was relevant to their bottom line lmao

[slate gull]

i was already considering using him in dark awhile ago

[shy jackal]

I wouldn't be surprised if veronica is dark tank even if it's unlikely if kuro wants to be sensible to powercreep(solon wants his wife bianca to be on top )

[calm panther]

im so ready for wata dying before scire after failing to kill scire

[slate gull]

[shy jackal]

At least the people with bad hands can rest easy now

Kuro added automatic animation cancel into wata kit so they don't have to do it themselves

Via giving extra blaze orbs to certain moves

[limber yoke]

Wata animation cancel isnt that bad

[shy jackal]

It was what made him fun to play

[limber yoke]

Nah hes still mid

Vera more mid

[slate gull]

yeah all pgr units mid

[river nymph]

wuwa clears

[sand laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-lick-malamute-gif-27300348

[river nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-5312829283079539011

[sand laurel]

phrolova yummy tears

[river nymph]

ayo

[static badge]

Ok. So my current Dark Team is Jetavie Daybreak, Lilith Daemonissa, and Luna Oblivion. I'm considering pulling for Ishmael Parhelion to replace Luna. What do you think?

[final fog]

You can use any tank you have
Nanaknight or lucid dreamer are good options

Since luna's passive makes their shred universal

[chrome wind]

Any tips to get up to 7m in physical
2.323

[gilded flint]

https://youtu.be/qFzDnGdVc9g?si=gSHEitIrdzZE4QNr
Nuke is your savior

[still moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565860804323311638/1397266572304711830/image0.gif

[slender sandal]

https://youtu.be/GLrYyQCus8U?si=YjZZre3JpJU7UHkj

[thorny bolt]

hello chat, do i use stigmata for slash wz or do i use selena instead?

[rocky canyon]

dont use physical in slash wz, it does way less damage than slash would

if you dont wanna do slash wz because of bianca, just do physical wz with the physical team

[ebon adder]

how big of a buff is ss3 hanying to phys and ultima slash

[thorny bolt]

okay

[mellow matrix]

when is next S rank selector reset?

[rocky canyon]

its never at a specific time, so we just have to wait

also this should be in general help im pretty sure

[mellow matrix]

ah right

lol mb

should i save it tho?

[rocky canyon]

you can save the pity if you want

[still moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKyw50oKCMg

[ebon adder]

damn nanami is that good compared to wata?

is nanami ss> wata ss?

[still moat]

no

wata is better at equal invest

[ebon adder]

what if nanami ss3?

[still moat]

should be about equal

[round lake]

oops wrong place kekw

[chrome wind]

Did this i got lower score im skill issue

[gilded flint]

How many resos do you have for phys?

[chrome wind]

2 for selena and hanying 3 for alisa

[gilded flint]

Yea skill issue🫡

Whatd you think youre doing wrong?

[nova forum]

[chrome wind]

Timing probably

In the vid its ss3 hanying prob can i can 7m with my ss0 hanying

[gilded flint]

I believe in you

[vagrant pewter]

I already have SS pyroath, S1 alpha, S Feral, S Vera fire amplifier (I have SS luna oblivion for my third team so i dont need any more Attacker)
What should i take tho?

[mighty tusk]

Either epitaph or shukra

[quiet lily]

watanabe or qu

[vagrant pewter]

ok thanks

[still moat]

https://youtu.be/t68Yo8ejVJE?si=Ue9xqNYa1MFk1UWq hey guys review my physical rotation pls

[quiet lily]

fk phys

mf this aint phys

mod ban this dood

[still moat]

That's phys

[quiet lily]

nuh uh, thats brick

[still moat]

[river nymph]

[maiden sleet]

do i need ss3 vera for dante ignition team or is ss fine

[slate gull]

her @ss is fine

[shy jackal]

Her ass?

[slate gull]

[river nymph]

[frail hinge]

Heheheh how's that

[oblique fulcrum]

Y'all what is ignition team

I mean the member

[frail hinge]

Dante nanami and vera

[oblique fulcrum]

Vera have two huh

[fervent elm]

Does Patton-like memory effect stack with each other if I use void luna qte bot?

[warped axle]

I think it does, try it on trial zone

[slate gull]

[formal radish]

No

Heisen and Chen Jiyuan won't stack

You can try though

[warped axle]

just use samantha-dv cope

[mighty tusk]

what are the odds that with wata leap, pyroath can hold 4 dv if she's below ss3

[formal radish]

7 maybe 7.2

[wintry parcel]

Seems unlikely

Considering high rank Pyroath wouldn't be able to use as much Pyroath qte as it's used to

[mighty tusk]

and ss0 pyroath?

was wondering since she does not have qte nuke

[wintry parcel]

I don't know

SS rank investment seems like a mess

[forest knot]

At that point you might as well not use Pyro and just run 2 healers

[fervent elm]

Hmm. Einstein should work right? Also I don’t have Lunavoid just yet. Thinking of pulling her during anniv patch (I got her weapon from offrate)

[formal radish]

Einsteina doesn't stack

[quiet lily]

if eins + element shred mem, then can work

if eins+eins doesnt stack

[fervent elm]

Got it. Still find it weird how patton-like memories don’t stack with each other.

[quiet lily]

eins+gloria stackable

please not patton-like xD

luna cant convert patton

bcs phys dont work with void

[formal radish]

Bathlon like

[fervent elm]

Fair

[quiet lily]

but ye, if it stackable it would be busted since shred kinda big

[formal radish]

Imagine the ppc strats

[crimson swan]

woah new launcher

gotta polish it a bit for cn ig

[formal radish]

Send ss i cant see im at school

[fervent elm]

Noooooo my wicked idea to abuse qte bot void luna for ppc turns to oblivion

[formal radish]

Oblivion

[lament yoke]

~~Send proof ~~

[lament yoke]

Nice feet

[formal radish]

Thanks can I see yours

[formal radish]

Nice

[feral flume]

Whose more worth to get a sign cub in these chars? Luna, Nanami and Vera i can only get one btw

[indigo dirge]

Who's the amp in the Ultima Slash team atm? Ishmael? For WZ specifically

[mighty tusk]

always use alisa for ultimaslash

ishmael is useless in any physical team comps

[mighty tusk]

nanami

[opaque ridge]

always use alisa for ultimaslash
ishmael is useless in any physical team comps

[spiral tapir]

Should I sss lucia, or ss3 qu?

Crimson wave*

[frank kindle]

Qu

[slender sandal]

you can get lucia sss from exchange voucher

[spiral tapir]

Ohh alr alr

[frank kindle]

Stop cw is useless anyways

[mighty tusk]

unless they spend more BP

[frank kindle]

echo is nice too

[quiet lily]

Dang new priority updated

[tepid nova]

Vergil at SS best ultima slash dps?

[slender sandal]

Huh? Wata can now be exchanged ?

[quiet lily]

Soon

[slender sandal]

Legit?

[river nymph]

real

[shy jackal]

yes

in about 2 patches most likely

since he's getting a leap

and a pretty strong one at that

[mighty tusk]

pretty much the only thing he's good at

also requires his teammates

[quiet lily]

hes good at motivating others too

[mighty tusk]

to brick?

[quiet lily]

[hoary dagger]

[quiet lily]

omg its haxpada

[calm panther]

who invited CW to darkflow

[still moat]

Me

[spiral tapir]

Sss cw me happy

[simple dew]

make bianca the darkflow dps

[formal radish]

Gague

[stray siren]

Peak team

https://youtu.be/Q8zy3E1jnIk?si=wXQGAvO_Lu3KEXDG

[formal radish]

Old time

[zenith kernel]

[quiet lily]

fak old phys

[stray siren]

I was perfecting Bianca until I was finally able to achieve the top 1 Hero NA phys (No FBZ in the round)

But I still never managed to surpass sNazz

Bianca*

[zenith kernel]

so dalao

[opaque ridge]

I was perfecting Bianca until I was finally able to achieve the top 1 Hero NA phys (No FBZ in the round)

But I still never managed to surpass sNazz

[zenith kernel]

Oh no copy pasta

Bianca phys was my bread and butter
Literally the only team i could brag about being good at

Now I'm washed

[formal radish]

I remember when I had a decent ice team...

[zenith kernel]

Not good at any team smh

[formal radish]

Atleast compared to other people

In leader

[stray siren]

My only good team was Ayla Plume & disgrace team

[zenith kernel]

I remember your Daren ice zaza

[formal radish]

The wata ice zaza

[stray siren]

I loved Mob Ice Wz with that team

[zenith kernel]

[zenith kernel]

loved mob ice
What the masochist

[formal radish]

I remember being completely dumbfounded when Ayla outdpsed my plume

SSR2 vs SS05*

Plume is r2

[ripe stag]

Is it the same dude who was arguing with me about Plume vs Kaleido?

[formal radish]

No

I wasn't in the discord server yet

[stray siren]

Everyone said the same thing

[ripe stag]

Ah

[zenith kernel]

[hoary dagger]

quesolao so op, pls teach me how to physical, i can only do 2.1m
https://youtu.be/rohZArATnIQ

[ripe stag]

No one draws teams like this anymore

[calm blaze]

Vera sig or selena sig

[foggy rampart]

vera

[ripe stag]

Hanying imo

Better shred

[stray siren]

I could never master Bianca SS3, I remember a friend lend me his account to play and my brain stopped working

[quiet lily]

hello chat, does vergilchan need dlt?

[mighty tusk]

@ripe stag

did he need dlt for TS?

[quiet lily]

no im playing for phys

[mighty tusk]

[quiet lily]

[mighty tusk]

he cannot do 1.5 rot without dlt

[quiet lily]

i heard wata is a good tank for phys

[mighty tusk]

@ Moderator

[quiet lily]

but ye serious q, does he need dlt for ts?

[calm blaze]

Over vera?

[crimson swan]

Probably

[quiet lily]

ohh one more question, if i play with CN voice, will the dmc bros speaking in chinese?

[mighty tusk]

only en

you haven't seen empress vid?

[quiet lily]

awww man

i didnt pay attention too much on future unit until its close

wait so they only have en voice?

thats cringe

[ripe stag]

Vergil? Very damn much

Better to just show

[mighty tusk]

@quiet lily have fun malding TS

[ripe stag]

It's without dlt
Just used 1 rot

See the orb use

I got some energy cuz of spamming basic

It'll be more than 11 orbs per rot

[mighty tusk]

and judgment cut is not used often?

[quiet lily]

15 orbs, thats not much

[ripe stag]

JC is gonna creep the power of JCE cuz JCE won't be able to use Truewill stacks then

[azure barn]

Ohhh that's why Million Stingers is used instead

[ripe stag]

Dante needs 12 orbs per rot btw

[ripe stag]

Million Stab

[azure barn]

Oh mb

[ripe stag]

It's technically Mirage Edge Combo A2

[azure barn]

Did V1 not have that limitation on JC, seen ppl spam it a lot in the early beta vids

[ripe stag]

JC a lot of deals damage

[calm panther]

damn casual, do you even play dmc. these damn tourists smh...

[quiet lily]

yknow even after all that, i still have to deal with hanying's issues

[cold walrus]

Is it true that vergil cub is very mid and skippable for f2p?

[vale raft]

Mirage Blade <:s_rank:1287636749052412026><:physical_element:1290613978057146379>

Control, Damage

**Passive Skills**

Mirage Blade Formation

If the carrier is not Vergil, the Mirage Blade's Active Skill deals 70% more DMG. If the carrier is Vergil, Base DMG of Devil Hunting Expertise: Blister/Heavy Rain Mirage Blade and Devil Hunting Expertise: Storm/Spiral Mirage Blade increase by 70%.

Light-Devouring Storm

Increases the carrier's ATK by 100.

Blood Frenzy

Each time Mirage Blade casts an Active Skill, increases the carrier's Extra DMG Bonus by 5% for 8s. Duration resets each time it is triggered. When Vergil casts Devil Hunting Expertise: Blister/Heavy Rain Mirage Blade and Devil Hunting Expertise: Storm/Spiral Mirage Blade, the effect will also be triggered.

Soul-Smiting Lethality

Increases the carrier's Physical DMG by 10%.

Ultimate Devil's Dance

Base DMG of Judgement Cut End increases by 50%. The first time Judgement Cut End is cast since entering the battlefield, the Mirage Blade can perform a joint attack during Sin Devil Trigger: During the 3-hit slash of Skewer/Yamato: Combo, the Mirage Blade will cast Blister, dealing 375% Physical DMG 8 times; during the 5-hit attack of Judgement Cut/Beast Uppercut/Beowulf: Combo, the Mirage Blade will cast Heavy Rain, dealing 600% Physical DMG 5 times.

[mighty tusk]

it buffs his ult though

[azure barn]

I've never played a single DMC game

[calm panther]

ever since dmc got that pgr collab we don't stop getting pgr players who have no clue about dmc it's annoying like...

[azure barn]

Am too poor to afford buying one back then

[wintry parcel]

I mean anything related to the DMC collaboration version is skipable for f2p players

They're very niche meta units

[azure barn]

The inverse is true too tho

[ripe stag]

50% BASE DMG UP FOR JCE

[quiet lily]

since when u f2p

[ripe stag]

You think it's bad?

[calm panther]

(I think only the inverse is true ngl I'm just trolling)

[frank kindle]

Gl retaining legend or top ib without virgin

[calm panther]

[mighty tusk]

it's bad when you pull vergil cub but miss bianca

[azure barn]

Damn my vouchers

[ripe stag]

True that

[calm panther]

virgin just seems kinda cringe

ss3 hanying...

[ripe stag]

Wanna see something funny?

[azure barn]

SS0 Hanying is fine if Vergil is the DPS

[ripe stag]

Selenaskip

[forest knot]

You'll use it in WZ, for PPC/IB Million Stabs vs JC depends on speed, JC to JCE is faster but less damage, Million Stabs is slower but more total damage

[cold walrus]

I saw showcases in bili, some of them doesn't have vergil cub. Thats why im asking

[azure barn]

He's more efficient with TS stacks

[calm panther]

I'll prob only get vergil

[ripe stag]

Probably skipped cuz you don't need his cub to use the cub skills

[wintry parcel]

Seems like they just can't afford one

[calm panther]

dante* i mean

But we'll seee

[ripe stag]

@mighty tusk

[mighty tusk]

I better see you put up results of vergil in physical

[ripe stag]

Seleskip

[azure barn]

I'm too poor for DMC stuff (just ignore me pulling for SSS Nanaknight instead)

[ripe stag]

Kekw

I think I'll pull DMC

[calm panther]

That's the right move

[forest knot]

3S Nanaknight losing her jobs slowly

[ripe stag]

Just to try Ignition and Ultima

[mighty tusk]

and here I'm skipping dmc for a certain wedding skin

[wintry parcel]

I think that actually has a better value than the collaboration

[calm panther]

my problem with dmc is

[azure barn]

Still fine, since she's my DPS for Ignition

[calm panther]

man it's cringe pulling for chars that have half the usage of normal chars

[azure barn]

Being Affix-only?

[mighty tusk]

it's cringe that they are part of the meta in the first place

[calm panther]

yeah

[azure barn]

Fr

[calm panther]

yeah

[obsidian dune]

dmc 3s is alot cheaper than usual though

[forest knot]

Honestly I've seen anecdotes saying 3S Dante outsped SS3 Lucia in IB, so tbh at the very least Dante isn't terrible for the cost

[obsidian dune]

is not whale its not worth it

[azure barn]

Might do the same with Shukra since we're getting 2 free Shukras from selectors

[azure barn]

Means I just gotta pull one dupe for SSS

[calm panther]

I mean yeah but dmc 3s being cheaper doesn't matter for most people so

[mighty tusk]

and vera is the main dps anyway assuming equal invest

[azure barn]

I genuinely dunno where to use my event selectors atp so

[wintry parcel]

Might want to see how the future character goes first before committing

[azure barn]

True

[wintry parcel]

Some rumours are quite interesting

[calm panther]

psure ss0 vera goes very well against ss3 lucia so

[quiet lily]

im using next selector for cw

[azure barn]

I was about to go for the Feral plan (get 2 copies from free selectors to get SSS) but...

[calm panther]

at least from what I've heard from ss3 lucia owners

[azure barn]

I uhh

I have SSS Ishmael

So getting rank ups for Feral is useless

[obsidian dune]

feral is buns

below 3s is same as s0

[forest knot]

Lucia SS3 doesn't help her on field damage at all so whatever DPS she did on field is just as inefficient vs Vera, the QTE buff is +2 waves tho, p substantial

[quiet lily]

ye its useless af, i still havent touched 3s feral

mostly bcs feral dont have dlt and ish can easily trigger lingya 2x3p

[calm panther]

forever cursed to never benefit from extra copies of tanks and amps once they become qte bots

[quiet lily]

maybe ill use feral this week for cradle

[ripe stag]

Give me a random feral dupe

I need 1 dupe to SSS Feral

Girl's stuck in SS6

[azure barn]

I got gimped for my last random Standard pull a while back

I got my wife Scire

[quiet lily]

i mean sss feral is useless if u dont swap

[ripe stag]

Don't care
It's daughter

My daughter

Is my daughter

[quiet lily]

[obsidian dune]

[ripe stag]

Not anyone else's daughter

[azure barn]

You'll need to eventually, cuz Weave is also getting SSS for Darkflow

[ripe stag]

[azure barn]

[ripe stag]

Weave who?

I deleted her sig and cub

[obsidian dune]

except scire is better for darkflow

[azure barn]

Damn

[ripe stag]

And scraped Diesel for shards

[obsidian dune]

scire is immortal fr

[calm panther]

there's no shot weave is slotted in darkflow

[azure barn]

I have betrayed the creed, I'm actually having fun with her 3 Ult rotation

[calm panther]

there's no way it's not scire or lilith

[ripe stag]

Damage is so poor you better off using Epitaph DPS yes

[calm panther]

yeah

[quiet lily]

whose 3 ult rot

[obsidian dune]

they thought nerfing vera df dmg would do sth

nah

[ripe stag]

Kaiseldan has betrayed the creed

TIME TO ASSASSINATE

[quiet lily]

[azure barn]

[calm panther]

they failed to realize that the issue wasn't vera

[quiet lily]

mf i dont understand da faking refs

[calm panther]

but cw's 2 damage per rot

[ripe stag]

https://tenor.com/view/roshan-assassins-creed-mirage-assassin-gif-26693586

[azure barn]

Weave gets a special 3 Ult rot if Nana is below SSS

[obsidian dune]

the problem is that cw needs another leap

[calm panther]

imagine darkflow wz you swap to cw do your full rot and you did half a wave

huge

[quiet lily]

ohh wtf cw got more zaza

[azure barn]

(only possible if Weave is SSS, since this rotation uses the enhanced Swordwaves that gives more energy)

[obsidian dune]

also wata ult doing 900% for df

like come on bruh

they really tried to nerf everything to the ground to make cw viable

[azure barn]

I only saw the strat from Có so yeh

[obsidian dune]

and she still sucks balls

[calm panther]

df is just doomed

[quiet lily]

darkflow content still deadge right? no content?

[azure barn]

Remember when df means devil fruit

[calm panther]

yeah, like they're trying to keep her alive for no reason and dragging everyone back just for her

[azure barn]

Yep nothing from beta notes

[quiet lily]

co my goat

[obsidian dune]

we need cn to riot kuro games hq

then theyll fix this abomination

[quiet lily]

no wonder the numbers for darkflow have been so mid

[calm panther]

bianca stigmata TS ahh afix

prob worse, tbh

[ripe stag]

Trust me guys
Epitaph gonna get nerfed just cuz Alpha fans will riot

[ripe stag]

It is worse
Bianca saw some use for Ultima Slash

CW straight up died

[calm panther]

yeah

bro my favorite part of DF is gonna be when wz for it releases and going off-element is better even when you're doing 20% the damage

[ripe stag]

Bianca hacks

[quiet lily]

im gonna use darkflow for those 2000% hp regen mobs fk

[ripe stag]

Oh yea

[obsidian dune]

imagine using dark would just do better than df

[ripe stag]

Heal

[azure barn]

Hop on DF team where everyone has enabler multipliers

[ripe stag]

Except CW

And Epitaph

Epitaph stacks 1 stack per blaze

That's 15 blaze for full stack

[quiet lily]

ye but sucks they going for the direction that wouldnt allow us to abuse parent element for affixes

[calm panther]

df life drain on it's way to outdps cw's entire rotation:

[obsidian dune]

kuro making questionable decisions lately

[azure barn]

I still hate the fact that Epitaph didn't even get a new attack from his Leap

[calm panther]

yeah I don't understand what the point of trying to make darkflow a team is if you actively kill it at the same time

[azure barn]

Their leaps are just getting worse and worse

[obsidian dune]

reskin + dmg nerf 👍

[quiet lily]

gotta appreciate at least u can trigger his bomb with qte

[calm panther]

yeah leaps don't mean anything anymore

[fading kestrel]

what nerf lmfao

[strange stratus]

Guys- what character should I pick as an f2p newbie?

[fading kestrel]

Tenebrion

[quiet lily]

doesnt matter, pick any

[calm panther]

leaps used to be older char is now better, now it's older char can slot in affix and even that's a 5050 because they might still suck so badly you don't use them

[azure barn]

Teneb is the least sht option tho

[calm panther]