📨・meta-help

[formal radish]

Are you calling me trash?

[keen sable]

[simple dew]

[formal radish]

Watch your mouth boy

[simple dew]

[noble zinc]

[formal radish]

Maybe tonight you won't be able to speak anymore so savor your tongue while you still have it

[waxen vine]

[quiet lily]

[simple dew]

[keen sable]

waiting for new alpha

[keen sable]

sss her and go f2p arc

[waxen vine]

what new alpha?

[keen sable]

yyea in 1year from now on

[waxen vine]

niceee

[nova forum]

is there still no stronghold update on cn?

[sly geyser]

[waxen vine]

that kinda looks nice ngl

[simple dew]

its alpha so its an easy skip

[quiet lily]

crimson beaver

[waxen vine]

bro kuro should hire me for naming cus i just got a name idea crimson dream / crimson dreamer idk

[quiet lily]

L kuro

[sly geyser]

I'm a better namer

[waxen vine]

kek

[quiet lily]

sholdve hired abyss immediately

[sly geyser]

crimson shite

[lapis oasis]

yes, now come here, i give you candy

[formal radish]

Omg

[waxen vine]

ngl that is fire

[sly geyser]

thumbnail sample

[quiet lily]

[mighty tusk]

idk how to get 21 sec

[steady otter]

Glacio ?

Is that SS20 siren ?

[mighty tusk]

3.633 322

[quiet lily]

taishi no spill the strat?

[mighty tusk]

nah

[quiet lily]

u mald 6blue?

[mighty tusk]

what 6 blue? what kind of rot is that?

[quiet lily]

i dont think can 21 if not 6 blue starter

[mighty tusk]

3 red > hold basic > blue orb > ult1?

[quiet lily]

https://b23.tv/sJ0n183

wanshi starter

[steady otter]

[quiet lily]

6b mald though

[mighty tusk]

will try that

surely the guy did not hypertune wanshi and alisa....

[quiet lily]

uh

surelyyy

[odd roost]

Sell ur soul

[mighty tusk]

1 sec improvement

I prob missed some timing

[remote fossil]

Since too many people abusing glacio, it's finally arrived on ib huh, even greedy is the environment name kek

[quiet lily]

Ye onetap was 22

[odd roost]

Wonder how much I can get with SS3+SSS pia&LD

[quiet lily]

Mald the timer bug now

[mighty tusk]

so 21 sec is supposed to be tight?

[quiet lily]

Kinda

Last time i did 22 too on off ele

But phys got 21 bcs its a phys buff

Try compare the timing for each ult

See where u missing

[rocky wedge]

2.02.33.0 hero

[quiet lily]

[odd roost]

Damn does SSS alisa really benefit the team that much

[young badge]

not rlly

i saw someone got 7m with ss alisa on the ranking

[odd roost]

The damage difference between 5* and 6* wep vera is just too disgusting

[opaque ridge]

whel mentality

[young badge]

[odd roost]

SS+6* oath can barely 1 cycle Shorthalt but SS+6* vera can at knight

[wintry parcel]

The damage difference between optimized run and unoptimized run is also disturbing

[odd roost]

I'm too lazy to do the double ult rotation. I ain't gona break my fingers everytime for that lol

[young badge]

welp your loss

[odd roost]

My mental health and fingers will be safe. It ain't my loss

[opaque ridge]

your loss?

your score will last a week, your fingers?

wantap and sleep is the way

[odd roost]

I wish I could do the same for plasma

But the plasma mines keep calling me

[radiant panther]

🤏 I need more

[rocky wedge]

where Oo sss alisa will have a pretty decent impact

[lament yoke]

[wintry parcel]

Is Kirai online?

The one that's responsible for this sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1--NFm3o__MguetZJQsEIjIbx4bvp3MPm0QWlA4q26zk/htmlview

[rocky wedge]

ss3 selena with ss alisa could probably do that, but doubt ss0 would be able to

[ashen parcel]

Hey

Does Echo have other skins?

[lament yoke]

https://grayravens.com/wiki/Alisa:_Echo/Gallery#tabber-Alt_3

[vague nebula]

afaik she has 3
2 free
1st one was on her debut
next one will be next patch free

[ashen parcel]

Awww i see

@lament yoke @vague nebula Ty

[mighty tusk]

the more I play physical, the more I hate hanying

[ashen parcel]

I like Twillight Veil can i still get that?

[lament yoke]

Now S+ hanying too

[worldly hornet]

Guys, how big is the difference in scores between SS0 and SS3 Selena? With R1

In phys warzone

[keen sable]

whats your score right now

[nova forum]

[ripe stag]

I didn't test it
Can Vergil and Dante jump cancel in PGR ?

[rain anchor]

whos gonna be skipping vergil and dante?
me personally i think i honestly will

[last blade]

u skipping dante?? 😭

the free dante??

[mighty tusk]

I'll be skipping vergil

[wintry parcel]

I'll get Vergil just because I'm curious

[mighty tusk]

finally hanying decides to cooperate with her starter rot

[keen sable]

ss0 selena no sig

[waxen vine]

it took long time but she is finally there

[last blade]

but pwowo how are u gonna do TS

[mighty tusk]

ignore it in wz (or do it with selena just for fun), powered ult ppc is easy to off-element so I wont lose much

[last blade]

oh

would u recommend the same if my vergil is just ss0 no cubu no sig

[mighty tusk]

vergil can kinda 580k powered with just ss0 (no sig nor cub)

[odd roost]

Better to just SSS dante with that.

[ripe stag]

This is probably what 12FPS looks like

[ripe stag]

590k

[last blade]

ah shi i didnt mean ss0 i mean s0

[ripe stag]

You can't have S0 vergil

You get 1 copy for free when you pull him

Upto twice

So pull 2 get 2

[last blade]

oh

right okarr

[rain anchor]

thats what i worry about

[nova forum]

what's the swap sequence of phys rot

alisa > hanying > pianis?

[spiral merlin]

Pianis is a crazy shortening

[keen sable]

without sig and cub?

[pine slate]

void feels so trash to play

[odd roost]

Just write Piano

[nova forum]

no

[frank kindle]

What invest

I got links for 2.32.33 and 2.323

[nova forum]

32.33 122 111

[frank kindle]

Zamn

[quasi talon]

yo im new to pgr who the best dps in the game

[nova forum]

[frank kindle]

[nova forum]

idk wtf i should do

[frank kindle]

I can find one on bili once i get home

Im in bus rn owo

[nova forum]

if i do alisa glac rot hanying will have 3 sec extra time before pianis switch cd, if i do phys rot then it's a time waste

[quasi talon]

anyone?

[ivory patrol]

Should I build Ishmael or Luna first in nihil team

[frank kindle]

Iirc i think u want 3s han for alisa glac rot

[nova forum]

5 different team, so no singular answer

[quasi talon]

who are they? just the dps names

[ivory patrol]

Should I build Ishmael or Luna first

[frank kindle]

Its team building game, u cant use one team everywhere

[nova forum]

oh man

[frank kindle]

Build u mean pulling or build as in reso and hyper

[nova forum]

is ss0 gei stronger than ss0 pyro, both have dlt

[frank kindle]

Gera higher dmg

[ivory patrol]

Reso and hyper and allat stuff

[frank kindle]

When it comes to hyper just hyper 4 5 6 memories

Reso, do both lmao

[ivory patrol]

Why?

[frank kindle]

Those are atk memories

1 2 3 u get dps increase from pact so 6%

4 5 6 is stat increase and pact

[nova forum]

fire: geiravor
ice: (depends on investment) ss3 shukra > sss lucid dreamer >= ss0 shukra
dark: lilith
phys: pianissimo
lightning: star trail

[ivory patrol]

Ahh ok thanks also I'm like basically at pity for sig weapon should I get Ishmael weapon on lunas weapon

[frank kindle]

Are u going dmc or not

[ivory patrol]

I probably will go DMC, won't be building the character past like ss3 with sig weapon

And I'll probably spend a lil bit

[frank kindle]

Cuz u might get luna sig from offrate in dmc

[nova forum]

i shoulda use that command

[frank kindle]

10%

[quasi talon]

wait a min, vera is a better fire dps than lucia?

[nova forum]

yesn't

[frank kindle]

U either 1 rot everyone or 2 rot gera and rest 1 rot

[nova forum]

if you play her correctly then she'll have higher dmg

[quasi talon]

oo

[ivory patrol]

Vera is way more fun to play than pyroath on everybody soul

[frank kindle]

There is also 2 rot lucia but she needs heavy investment for it

[nova forum]

sss?

[frank kindle]

Yea

[quasi talon]

thx!

[nova forum]

[ivory patrol]

Swear vera only needs like SS to be able to do 2 rotations?

[nova forum]

*ss and dlt

[ivory patrol]

Dlt? I'm new lmao

[nova forum]

deadline timing, the signature weapon reso that gives orbs periodically

[ripe stag]

Yes

[frank kindle]

Also 2 rot gera uses different memories

[keen sable]

iguess my bianca is on same lvl then?

[nova forum]

i wasted my ht mats on her dv set

[ivory patrol]

Ahhh ok ty

[keen sable]

sss3 bianca r1 cub = ss0 vergil no sig no cub?

@ripe stag

[frank kindle]

U still use her in that state in ignition

And main dps pyro in ppc

[nova forum]

aight nvm

[frank kindle]

[nova forum]

eh

[keen sable]

anyone got a selena physical rot video?

with ss alisa ss hanying?

[round lake]

Virgil likely worse
SS Virgil > SSS+ Balter
No sig no cub = 3x weaker than usual

Honestly with such investment you'd get better result with Glacio team

[ripe stag]

Bianca might take more time but yea I think

[round lake]

Reliable guy because he got attention from CN server, any thing he f up will be noticed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8zY7TkTd98&t=392s

[ripe stag]

SSS6 Bianca wasn't able to kill hell Powered in one hit

[round lake]

Neither can Virgil

[keen sable]

yea i asked for vergil ss no sig no cub

[ripe stag]

38s with no sig no cub SS0

[round lake]

that's two rot

[ripe stag]

20s SSS6 Bianca 8 hp left

Idk

Might be similar ~ Slightly worse (Vergil)

[round lake]

just Glacio it

[ripe stag]

Is something bad here?

[round lake]

better than both

[keen sable]

no sig selena

[round lake]

bruh

[keen sable]

[round lake]

what are you doing withall these no sig units

[ripe stag]

I can get Vergil and Dante without killing the account

[keen sable]

my nanami got sig now okay

[round lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guCcH75EsxI

best youtuber for cope build

[keen sable]

i think im fine

[round lake]

bruh just realize I'm in meta help

well I always answer with meta slave mind anyway

[keen sable]

[steady otter]

[wanton jay]

should i pull ishmael on arrival or the new vera?

[ripe stag]

Didn't get Vera yet? Pull her
Also Selena if you haven't

Never touch arrival

[wanton jay]

i had to stop playing after i got pianissimo. my pc broke. i just got back

[wanton jay]

alrightt

[keen sable]

selena bricks phones and pcs damn

[frank kindle]

which stage of grief is that

bargain?

[orchid owl]

Only PCs from pre 2010

[ripe stag]

Idk

I'm even more hyperld up to pull them cuz of comments like these

Need to prove it

[mighty tusk]

bro we're about to receive worse than these once dmc patch is here

[tight marten]

is there a guide for derived from matrix speedrun like for cursed waves?

[radiant panther]

this 12? this is around 15 to 20fps

[ripe stag]

I can't understand
If they hate the game, why even play for the Collab

[mighty tusk]

#📨・meta-help message
like this?

[mighty tusk]

tell him to play this game everyday for 2-3 months

[tight marten]

yeah, but the spreadsheet doesnt really have a speedrunning guide no?

[spiral merlin]

Speedrun guide is something along the lines of
clear map 1, use rewind, clear map again + boss, clear map 2, use rewind, clear map again, finish

[deft apex]

what speedrunning doesn't tell u is that u have to reach ending 2, then get ending 5 (i believe it's 5), and then buy the thing needed for rewind

[keen sable]

[ashen parcel]

What's the difference between main DPS

and high rank dps

Like which one should i go for?

[mighty tusk]

do you see the description?

the ranks it's recommended?

[ashen parcel]

Oh i see ok

nvm ty

[fading kestrel]

how da fak do you play glacio
2.322 101 111

my ib rot was dookie

pwow you fatass

@mighty tusk tell

[chrome wind]

Ss7 selena
Ss3 wanshi
Sss alisa is it possible to get up to 7m score in glacio?

[mighty tusk]

uh...you know our invest is different right?

also do double hold dodge for selena in IB

[mighty tusk]

looks feasible kinda

not sure how the 15 sec switch cd is gonna affect your performance though

[pallid cypress]

i have to check if i did warzone

[fading kestrel]

but youre the selena guy
you have to know all rots for every invest

[mighty tusk]

no I'm not
also selena does double hold dodge in IB

I think it's 3-ping > hold ba > 3-ping > hold basic > ult1 > hold dodge > 6 concerto > hold dodge > ult2?

[half iris]

for glacio, should Alisa have 4pc dv 4pc gv, or 4pc dv with 2pc gv and 2pc einstina?

[mighty tusk]

that depends on what wanshi holds and if it's wz or ppc

[half iris]

wanshi is stiill using his normal set

[fading kestrel]

hold ba twice before ult1, waduh
also like, 2klen 2cot, or 4klen

[mighty tusk]

4 dv 4 guin in wz

[half iris]

what about ppc? im using it for trailbalzer

[mighty tusk]

4 klen

[fading kestrel]

then im guessing thats what the two HB's are for

lemme give it a whirl

[half iris]

wanshi is 4pc chen and 4pc liston

[mighty tusk]

4 liston is kinda redundant for ppc

[half iris]

oh, then what should i put on him

[mighty tusk]

4 chen is a must for him

[half iris]

got it, i'll give him 2pc ein and 2pc gloria maybe?

instead of the 4pc liston

[mighty tusk]

you can do 4 chej 2 gloria 2 eins wanshi and alisa with usual 4 dv 4 guin

[half iris]

got it thanks

[mighty tusk]

there are times where you can use 4 dv 4 chej wanshi and 4 guin 2 eins 2 gloria alisa

[reef orbit]

Do we have beginner guide here? And is it applicable for CN?

[vital nova]

how exactly do we proc wanshi glaciation?

[spiral merlin]

hold dodge instead of hold red

[vital nova]

i did but it doesnt seem to be working

[half iris]

switch in to wanshi, do one 3 ping, hold dodge and spam red then ult
I'm not sure if that 3 ping is necessary but i do it

[ashen parcel]

Hey so there was an ishamel video where she did like insane dmg it was a chinese player anyone here have the video can you link pls i need to show someone how good she is when maxxed out

[spiral merlin]

wdym doesnt work

[vital nova]

yeah mb, it worked

what set does selena use in glac? 4burana 4klen?

i tried using that set but couldnt do the rot in the pin bcuz lack of energy

[half iris]

2pc cottie and 2pc klen

instead of 4pc klen

[noble zinc]

4klen we use for glacio

[vital nova]

how come the bot recommended 4klen

[formal radish]

4klen works too

[vital nova]

if so, the rot in the pinned video doesnt work

[half iris]

im not sure tbh.but I use 2pc cottie. maybe 4 klen is better but you did say you didn't have enough energy to rotate properly....which cottie will help with

[noble zinc]

How?

[vital nova]

like i said, lack of energy

[noble zinc]

consume music stack

Using Hold BA

Energy problem solved

1roate glacio we go anyway

For selena

[vital nova]

Swap in Selena
3p + HB
3p > ult
HD
HB
6 White
HD
Ult
Swap out > Swap in Alisa and do her double rot
is this not the rot?

i lack energy in the 3p > ult part

[noble zinc]

3p again hold ba

Then ult will come

[vital nova]

now i lack enough orbs for second ult

does she need dlt?

[frank kindle]

wdym second ult

[vital nova]

the flower ult

[frank kindle]

u ult once on glacio

[vital nova]

yeah i know

i meant the flower

[frank kindle]

also

is your selena ss0 or ss3

[vital nova]

ss0

does she need dlt?

[half iris]

I've got 1700 ppc shards, I can SSS lillith if I use 400. Should i? Or should I just wait to get them with vouchers?

[vital nova]

i'd say use it

[wintry parcel]

Doesn't sound bad

[frank kindle]

wanshi is sss?

[half iris]

yeah

[wintry parcel]

The only thing preventing you from spending your Pain Skulls with that amount is if you still have plans to get multiple SS rank upgrades for other units

[frank kindle]

yea worth

[wintry parcel]

Which is only you would know

[half iris]

My only concern is that I wouldnt have enough to SS upcomin characters, I have all of the current ones at SS and I dont even plan to get dante and vergil

[noble zinc]

Warzone recommended

[half iris]

So I think Im safe right?

[wintry parcel]

Yeah

[half iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1364303167935742007/image0.gif

[wintry parcel]

You have about an entire DMC collaboration version to save up Pain Skulls

[frank kindle]

idt selena needs dlt in glacio

[wintry parcel]

Even if it were a singular version, the Pain skulls income is still pretty good

[frank kindle]

always used afterglow

[noble zinc]

Ppc on your stat

[vital nova]

what about ib ppc?

[noble zinc]

I did went without dlt a few weeks ago

works

2 roate kill

Tho mine

[half iris]

yeah true

[fervent rapids]

just got vera for the lucia team. What sig weapon should I pull, Watanabe or vera?

[wintry parcel]

I'd personally recommend Geiravor's signature weapon

[crystal rune]

Vera

[wintry parcel]

But you can wait for the other opinions

[fervent rapids]

is it for the amp vera or sub dps?

[crystal rune]

Main dps

[vital nova]

is she above ss0?

[noble zinc]

SS0

[wintry parcel]

It'll work for both

[nova forum]

[fervent rapids]

alright, thank you

[wintry parcel]

You're welcome

[vital nova]

so i guess the options are 2klen 2cot or 4klen+dlt

[noble zinc]

Tho multiple roate kill cottie
Single roate klen mostly I see nd do as well

[muted coral]

Worst app ever

[vital nova]

real

[young badge]

why does hanying sometime 1 shot wave 1 and sometime doesnt?

[frank kindle]

han tech

[young badge]

what tech

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-sometimes-han-solo-gif-23189014

[young badge]

is it crit

but i alrdy qte alisa

[noble zinc]

Ys

[dusk swan]

Hi im starting out and im planning to use dante and vergil is there anyone to keep in mind to build their teams?

[frank kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/shimizu-esora-d4dj-d4dj-petit-mix-anime-credit-card-gif-21654154

[fading kestrel]

first of all, go to #📨・general-help instead of meta
going for dmc at the beginning is bad from a meta standpoint, so this channel isnt really for you. anyways
look at the Ignition and Ultima-slash teams here. those are their teammates
the teammate on the left is extremely important, while the one on their right is more of an extra

[feral pollen]

gonna need to edit dat and put wata in darkflow

[frank kindle]

[fading kestrel]

do we actually know if its darkflow yet? or is it still just conjecture

[keen sable]

if discord patch got no leap it might be over for old man

[nova forum]

What is that ignite set up

[dusk swan]

oh ok tysm

[nova forum]

[radiant panther]

I badly needed to topup rn man...Ill wait for my uni to post my grades so that I have a reason to go out and topup 40$ worth of RC

[frank kindle]

at least grab 50$ pack

[radiant panther]

where? show me

[feral pollen]

omg whel-help again

[frank kindle]

also isnt wata leap just copium speculation

[shy jackal]

Well it is whel-fie after all

[cobalt prawn]

Isn’t it rare for affixes to have 2 leap characters

To activate the effect

[radiant panther]

this packs worth more wow wait lemme do the ratios

[cobalt prawn]

I bet Veronica will be Darkflow tank

[frank kindle]

u lose 4 RC if u buy with 9.99 5 times instead of 49.99 1 time

[radiant panther]

ok Ill try it

[cobalt prawn]

The higher ones always add up to more than lower ones added together

[frank kindle]

one might say, but its only 4RC, then u are 4RC short from some pack and its pure pain

inbefore no leaps in beta omegalul

[radiant panther]

Damn...

[feral pollen]

[frank kindle]

that could been made 5 minutes with photoshop

[radiant panther]

Ypu have to be a madman to reverse engineer the assets and map out sizes, its too much to convert those assets into usable png image or jpg whatever, so many processes

[frank kindle]

assets are out there on huaxu

so it's like 2 minutes to actuallly find them in directories, take them into photoshop and thats another 1 minute of settings things up

that's why making things like that is simple af

[keen sable]

not going wanshi s+

[frank kindle]

if wata leap, sure thats great as long as he gets better shred field

[radiant panther]

Oh thanks for this, I now have a reason to skull wanshi and SS3 him

maybe SSS

[cobalt prawn]

Don’t use skull use vouchers!

[keen sable]

wata leap not gonna happen

they give oblivion a leap cause she ass

[radiant panther]

S0 Wanshi not good for skulls?

[keen sable]

[cobalt prawn]

I never used any skulls on him and he’s 3S now

U can get it all from voucher shop

[radiant panther]

Everything resets once the timer is up right?

[cobalt prawn]

Save the skulls for the gacha only constructs

Yea

[frank kindle]

time to save skulls

[keen sable]

[feral pollen]

[cobalt prawn]

The upcoming beta is for which character

[radiant panther]

https://tenor.com/view/dh9511dh-empty-wallet-hurt-look-away-gif-13355852

my ppc rn

[feral pollen]

wait i forgor to do cr and it's about to reset

[frank kindle]

zamn

[spiral merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-rebrand-gif-21570633

[keen meteor]

[cobalt prawn]

Not 3S Nanami scoring higher than 3S wata in fire wz😭😭😭

[faint monolith]

Where the fak is my share

[muted zenith]

whats the build for fireteam on ppc?

[faint monolith]

Definitely not dps Vera cuz no shilling

[solemn spoke]

Vera deserves the glaze

[muted zenith]

is it just me or did they buff ishmael's hp by a multiplier of 10

[faint monolith]

Kuso ruined her after removing the buff, now wata is the one holding DV instead of Pyr if you want to dps Vera

[muted zenith]

is balter crap-is-cool worth ss3?

[feral pollen]

yes

[faint monolith]

For ts yeah she's worth

[feral pollen]

walter ss3 = cw sss for light wz

[muted zenith]

ts?
wait what?

true slash
on
the new balter?

[faint monolith]

Oh you were talking about Walter? No idea then

[muted zenith]

idk who walter is

i just said Balter crap-is-cool

the new bianca unit or whatever her name is

[feral pollen]

call here walter

[faint monolith]

Yeah Walter

[vale raft]

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[frank kindle]

white/wife balter = walter

[vale raft]

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[radiant panther]

what? no Crepuscule Bianca?

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[spiral merlin]

whar

[radiant panther]

oh right its still a Chinese to eng translation

[faint monolith]

Celica lost it or wha

[fading kestrel]

its just not in the bot yet bruh

ek didnt do it

lazy ass

[fading kestrel]

its not
Crepuscule is official

[faint monolith]

I know-

[frank kindle]

busy with work, he might update this weekend

[faint monolith]

Just felt like slandering blonde girl

[fading kestrel]

thats what he said last week

[radiant panther]

So the database haven't been updated, huh...Damn okay, thanks for the confirmation

[tepid dragon]

Nanami field lasts 12 seconds or 15 seconds if she has ignition mark?

ye, this im asking

- If the Blazing Mark is active when casting this skill, the domain will instead deal **50.0%** Ignition DMG per second for 12s. Duration resets every time it is triggered.```

[spiral merlin]

I think the ignition mark lasts 15s but field lasts 12s

That way you get a bit of lingering shred

Well essentially infinite really

[tepid dragon]

explains tomi skill issue

[frank kindle]

any idea if echo sig weap buff upgrade works on glacio?

[tepid dragon]

thx

[spiral merlin]

For example mark lasts 15s > place field down at 14s > further 12s of fire shred

[spiral merlin]

As in the phys qte buff?

Yes it works for glacio

[frank kindle]

pretty huge then

@ripe stag

[ripe stag]

So it's a 30% Glacio Physical buff?

SHEEEEESH

[frank kindle]

isnt it 10% base then its 10% additional from sig

[ripe stag]

10% base

+5% at SS from leap

+5% at SSS from leap

+10% from sig

[frank kindle]

huge

wasnt sure if u were talking about sig alone or everything combined

[ripe stag]

Decisive Omen level 2 is SS0

Mark of Libra level 2 is SSS0

[ripe stag]

Ofc I have sig

[frank kindle]

some were confused by wording on the signature weap

its all good

ready for wata/feral leap

[still moat]

8s

Whether she has the mark or not

[tepid dragon]

8 seconds the swap out field right?

[arctic pebble]

Btw for the ice team, can you do double wanshi and qu shukra
Washi a rank, lucid dreamer and qu?

[tepid dragon]

yes, and aim to get big girl Ayla to use in hypnos place

[still moat]

It's qte field

[arctic pebble]

Ughh i hate playing characters with a lot of jiggle physics

[still moat]

But they all have 8s duration

[tepid dragon]

A rank wanshi at SSS can substitue then, 20% dmg buffs

[arctic pebble]

Mines at SS rn but i am getting stuff

[tepid dragon]

k... k...
that question was regarding her ult laying down the shred field cuz tomi vasius a fraud

[tepid dragon]

dis

[still moat]

It's the same shred field

[opaque ridge]

Ughh i hate playing characters with a lot of jiggle physics

[still moat]

What u said by swap out field it's her qte, she automatically triggers her own qte when exiting the battle

[tepid dragon]

k. still gud info

[still moat]

12s is the DoT

[cobalt prawn]

Just spent 36k of the blue coins rerolling resos

Finally everyone has the optimal ones

And now I need hypertune mats😭

[arctic pebble]

Btw since this is meta help, if I am ok with copium teams should i ask those questions in gen-help lol

[fading kestrel]

Yes

[odd roost]

Tomorrow BETA!!!!!!!

DARK TANK!!!! PLEASE!!!!!! FREEE!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!

[fading kestrel]

a rank dark tank

[cobalt prawn]

My amp buff is always running out before 2nd Selena ult, am I doing smth wrong?

[pallid cypress]

well what builds you guys recommend for shorthalt?

should vera be main DPS?

or i can keep using pyro?

also is shorthalt less annoying than gwynplaine?

[formal radish]

Vera mdps

Less annoying sure

Shorthalt has less hp

[cobalt prawn]

@frank kindle halp?

[pallid cypress]

i think i have is the sub DPS set built

[ripe stag]

Even on Gwyn you use Vera Main-DPS cuz she's just better

[ripe stag]

You are slow

[cobalt prawn]

am I missing smth.. I swear Im spamming buttons before animation goes off

[ripe stag]

Can you hold ba as soon as she enters white hair mode

?

Cuz that part is taking the time

[merry cobalt]

As for Ismael memory Resonance, should I get AtK, Def or AtK, Crit?

[obsidian dune]

how ppl getting 298k with lilith zaza in ib

[river nymph]

you cant fit 2nd ult in amp, only her full 2nd core at most

[odd roost]

Magik

[ripe stag]

Any of the ATK ones

As long as it's ATK

[river nymph]

even for sss

[ripe stag]

+15 atk

[merry cobalt]

Should I can just mismatched it?

[ripe stag]

Wait so SS3 bricks the amp buff but more damage still?

[ripe stag]

Yea

[merry cobalt]

I already use my item for Ishmael to had 6 Signature move, only need to reroll her AtK now

[river nymph]

well i guess im going based off sss, is ss3 faster?

[ripe stag]

SSS is faster if I'm not wrong

[river nymph]

well sss cant fit 2nd ult in amp

[odd roost]

Looking closer at Discord's art it looks like she's creating Ice crystals

[ripe stag]

Discord's "art"?

[formal radish]

New a rank ice support

[ripe stag]

but there's no beta yet

Beta is tomorrow

[spiral merlin]

are we ready for darkflow wata

[odd roost]

Looks like ice or metallic crystals

[ripe stag]

Remember
We got Physical Bianca with dark effects

[spiral merlin]

i would like more glow content but we probably wont see it for a while

[river nymph]

no

[cobalt prawn]

wattt ok

[odd roost]

Darkflow wata lol no.

[spiral merlin]

[odd roost]

Veronica's flame design looks like darkflow

[cobalt prawn]

I'll try

[spiral merlin]

what else would wata be

[odd roost]

She'll probably be the darkflow tank

[odd roost]

Replaced

[spiral merlin]

naur

[ripe stag]

@river nymph already said even SSS can't ult within amp passive so you good tbf

[river nymph]

im youre prob right but i want him dead

[cobalt prawn]

oh ok

[ripe stag]

I smell a Wata leap

[cobalt prawn]

wtfff so how is that more dmg then

[ripe stag]

My hunches are normally right

[spiral merlin]

leap senses tingling

[gilded flint]

@cobalt prawn do you know that holding ba while pressing concert orbs make the animations go faster

[ripe stag]

Flower ult does insanely high damage

[spiral merlin]

it was alisa then lamia got replaced so wata next

speculation

[odd roost]

Ur sense is malfunctioning lol

[cobalt prawn]

I did not

[river nymph]

[spiral merlin]

whatever u say

[odd roost]

That tech is quite widespread

[cobalt prawn]

is that regardless of whether u have the hold BA stack or not?

[gilded flint]

https://tenor.com/view/what-can-i-say-youre-welcome-gif-9726990

[ripe stag]

Base Damage of Orchestra Ult - 1000% Physical DMG

Base Damage of Flower Ult - 3500% Physical DMG

[cobalt prawn]

didn't spread its way over into my brain sadly

[odd roost]

Tell him the glacio numbers too

[cobalt prawn]

oh jeez I thought it was just double

[ripe stag]

SS3 also has

• increase base damage of hold dodge by 20% for every musical note (hold ba) consumed upto 100%
• permanent 500% Base damage up for QTE after Ult 2

[cobalt prawn]

no wonder orchestra seems to do nothing

glad I got ss3 then:)

[ripe stag]

This is why the difference between SS3 and SS0 is huge

[sly geyser]

wait ss3 orchestra seems to do the same no dmg for me

[ripe stag]

Wait

[gilded flint]

Does anyone know if selena is coming to standard banner next patch?

[cobalt prawn]

shes in the anni banner

[gilded flint]

Im not pulling anyone in anni

[spiral merlin]

orchestra always does nothing

[gilded flint]

I mean the blue tic banner

[sly geyser]

shite ult

[river nymph]

selenas clones do more dmg than music ult

[ripe stag]

Selena: Pianissimo

• Physical
  • Base Damage of Orchestra Ult - 1000% Physical DMG
  • Base Damage of Flower Ult - 3500% Physical DMG
• Glaciation
  • Base Damage of Orchestra Ult - 3000% Glaciation DMG
  • Base Damage of Flower Ult - 7500% Glaciation DMG

Double

[sly geyser]

hence core reso recommend lmao

[cobalt prawn]

7500!!!!!!

[sly geyser]

funni thing is

we can't even spam flower ult

[worldly hornet]

[ripe stag]

Still 3000%

[sly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936177246018895882/1322031512710811760/1263735698985586709.gif

[ripe stag]

It's big

[odd roost]

For SS3 rot so i Ult1

Only
5white+hold dodge

or

hold dodge+5white+hold dodge?

[ripe stag]

• Spike Damage

[worldly hornet]

Thise who has Selena at SS0 cannot use flower ult at all

[river nymph]

kuro always gotta brick selena somehow

[ripe stag]

6 white > Hold Dodge > Flower Ult

[sly geyser]

yes but like why not doing it every rot

that's a schizo design ngl

[odd roost]

Good good

[cobalt prawn]

Uhh am I doing it right

[odd roost]

When to press blue then?

[ripe stag]

Selena: Pianissimo Flower Ult input

• SS0
  • Ult 1 > Hold Dodge > 6 white > Hold Dodge > Flower Ult
• SS3
  • Ult 1 > 6 white > Hold Dodge > Flower Ult

[ripe stag]

Blue only for SSS0 and higher

[sly geyser]

wth is this ?

taking way too much time lmao

[cobalt prawn]

He said hold BA while pinging white😭

[sly geyser]

I'm hope it's not for ppc

[ripe stag]

You are taking too much time

[odd roost]

No lol

[cobalt prawn]

Ok I’m sry idk where that huge ahh emoji came from

[ripe stag]

Who

[gilded flint]

I only did one jump up not 2

[spiral merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-taking-too-long-jackenstein-deltarune-chapter-4-gif-9089560851254498960

[gilded flint]

W deltarune reference

[cobalt prawn]

Ohhh u don’t mean holding it the entire time

[gilded flint]

?

Now I wanna try it

[cobalt prawn]

no i just misread I thought u meant to hold ba for the entire duration of pinging the white orbs

[faint monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/your-taking-too-long-jackenstein-its-peak-deltarune-gif-3586120190318122790

[gilded flint]

No I did not say it correctly either lol

[upbeat orchid]

I'm having trouble using Wanshi, I hold dodge to enter Glaciation mode and when it zooms in and shows a freezing effect, I tap red and... nothing happens. It's really inconsistent.

[spiral merlin]

make sure your gauge is full

[upbeat orchid]

*This is after pinging once

[spiral merlin]

full gauge > hold dodge > release dodge and hold red

[cobalt prawn]

time to mald tf out of plasma wz... man anni cant come soon enough I need ss3 pyro

[upbeat orchid]

I don't need full gauge to start it though?

[spiral merlin]

you need full gauge to do anything with wanshi

[upbeat orchid]

O_O how come it sometimes lets me just swap to him, 3-ping only one time and then successfully charge up Glaciation for Pianissimo?

[spiral merlin]

because your swap is a 3 ping

two 3p fills gauge

[upbeat orchid]

AH

[upbeat orchid]

Then this is with full gauge, I always swap from Alisa to Wanshi

[spiral merlin]

so it should work

[astral bison]

can i make solo vera work on shorthalt?

[pallid cypress]

when are we getting the full darkflow team?

[simple dew]

we already do

lcw vera and daren

[spiral merlin]

selena is most at fault here

[pallid cypress]

ohhh right, i forgot daren leap is darkflow

[spiral merlin]

daren leap is plasma

[spiral merlin]

tomorrow

[simple dew]

but her element is dark

[pallid cypress]

what build should vera have?

[simple dew]

do we know what element discord is

[pallid cypress]

for main DPS

and what build should pyro have?

[spiral merlin]

nope

[simple dew]

or atleast her sprites

[spiral merlin]

we can Speculate on what Affix a Potential Wata Leap Might Be

[simple dew]

umbra

[pallid cypress]

hey for fire PPC what memories should vera have?

[spiral merlin]

[spiral merlin]

sprites are out there

leaks tho

[simple dew]

what would veronica be then

[spiral merlin]

ur guess is as good as mine

light attacker, light amp?

fire tank??

[white oriole]

In 2nd rot of Hanying, doing 3 Red then Yellow makes the different in her gauge?

[spiral merlin]

3/4 charge

requires 3p blue

[pallid cypress]

should i go shakespeare or hervor?

[spiral merlin]

never hervor unless solo

[pallid cypress]

at least i have shakespeare cottie ready

[white oriole]

When I do 3 Red > Yellow I got 3/4 and don’t have enough Ult energy
When I do Yellow > 3 Red I only have 2/4

[pallid cypress]

but vera is R0

should i hypertune this set?

also what set does pyroath uses when vera is main DPS?

[pine slate]

Probably cuz of the matrix ping?

Red matrix ping gives u a lot of gauge, idk about yellow

Imagine doing 3r+y hanying

Ss3 whels smh

[white oriole]

Wait my Ying is SS

I should do 6 Red?

[pine slate]

Ye ss0 is 6 red

[white oriole]

O

[pine slate]

Tf u doing 3r+y for, know ur place smh

[gilded flint]

4 sig mem 2 cot 2 eins is an option or 4 sig 4 cot

[pine slate]

U got no rights

[gilded flint]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-dog-gif-5675918182332792219

[white oriole]

What about switch in/out?

[simple dew]

this screams fire/dark to me so idk

[gilded flint]

Its gonna be ice

[simple dew]

but benching wata right after his leap would be just stinky

[pine slate]

Hanying 1st rot is 3r+y, 2nd is 6r

[odd roost]

Dark/darkflow

[spiral merlin]

We all know kuro rolls the dice on role

[white oriole]

Doesn’t saying this means you don’t have SS3 Hanying too?

[pine slate]

If u yellow before swapout, u do 3r on next swap in

[pine slate]

Ya i dont

[simple dew]

then go figure out an affix for her

[odd roost]

Darkflow is the affix lol

[gilded flint]

@pine slate Do you think 2.32.33 111 can get 8 mil in ion legend

[white oriole]

Okay I remember why I was doing 3r + y I was watching 2B back then

[simple dew]

but wata leap

[odd roost]

No leap for wata kekw

[pine slate]

I got 7.2m so most likely u can

[gilded flint]

Why are people reacting with pregnent man emoji?

[simple dew]

we love pregnant men

🫃

[crystal rune]

Mpreg🫃

[spiral merlin]

Circle back to us soon

[pine slate]

8m+ is prolly max score idk

Better to ask nuke tho

Im skill issue, usually 1m+ less than max score on ion

[white oriole]

https://youtu.be/1QH0KGie6b8 Waitttt

[odd roost]

I might Spend Skulls on wata if he got leap

If he ever comes in voucher then I'll even SSS him if he gets leap

But that ain't ever gona happen kekw

[sand laurel]

male
replaced without leap

female
gets leap
two affixes

[simple dew]

who

[sand laurel]

I heard rummors that karenina will have light affix, idk if thats true, but thats what's this joke based on

[simple dew]

[crystal rune]

[cyan talon]

pyroath and vera are ss w/o sig and wata still on s w/o sig
is there any changes i need to change?

[crystal rune]

Let her die

[simple dew]

burn her on a stake

[odd roost]

Doesn't matter cause goat is there

[sand laurel]

goat for everything

why they made nanami so stupid to play

orb selfsustain

[odd roost]

Infinitely self sustain in warzone if there was no timer

[zenith thorn]

that rumour is as concrete as a tofu drag project

[odd roost]

Copium Daren fans making up theory

[zenith thorn]

she's already old

[spring seal]

Guys just wanted to ask but what is the Average Good dmg per tick for Ishmael's Ultimate?

[zenith thorn]

she's older than 50% of pgr players now

ALL the oldies already kiwi

[zenith thorn]

this sentence makes absolute 0 sense
watch a wz video to watch a proper benchmark

watch a proper benchmark?

get a proper benchmark

[spring seal]

Well I just wanted to ask as if what's the average damage she does per tick of her ultimate that's it
Nothing more nothing less
Thought if someone has any idea they would tell me then

[simple dew]

like hell we know

[zenith thorn]

dmg is variants
counting on just "avrg damage" isn't how this game works

[pallid cypress]

i was told to not go sig unless solo

[gilded flint]

???

[zenith thorn]

we uses warzone and occasionally ppc as benchmark instead

[gilded flint]

No sig on vera or pyro

[pallid cypress]

both vera and pyro have signature weapons

[sand laurel]

https://tenor.com/fytOWy0feQ3.gif

[pallid cypress]

and yes pyro has her signature memory

[odd roost]

Who in the micky mouse said that?

[sand laurel]

just let her get one last affix go for at least one patch

[zenith thorn]

it was correct
until we found out rydle was cooking

[sand laurel]

[pallid cypress]

guess im using more USBs

[zenith thorn]

4dv4guin was the correct memory either way for casuals

[gilded flint]

Go sig if youre playing solo, and go sig if youre not playing solo, sig is important nonetheless

[zenith thorn]

her sig memo is primarily orb

[odd roost]

Aah it's for vera.

[simple dew]

@spring seal her ult 1 deals 1600% nihil dmg and ult2 4300% and both leave a zone that deals 10% per sec over 12s

[sand laurel]

I like to keep some smiling USBs in my inventory to keep the positivity up

[zenith thorn]

dps is shakes

[odd roost]

I thought it was oath

[spring seal]

Okay ty

[spring seal]

Thx

[simple dew]

you can use /elementcalc to figure it out

[pallid cypress]

yeah its DPS vera

for shorthalt

[zenith thorn]

there's a calc if u wanna crunch the numbers

it's in the bots

watch doomy element calculation to understand how the calc works ig

[quiet lily]

[odd roost]

I used 4 cottie for knight. She one shots SH unlike pyroath

[zenith thorn]

https://youtu.be/b_Q3lxWSkFE?si=QPBciNsGW6X3J7CS

[spring seal]

Actually I just want someone to review my build whether it is okay or not
Since I'm a new player and idk why but I became obsessed with Ishmael cuz of her Galaxy and pink theme

[pallid cypress]

4 cottie and 4 shakespeare?

[spring seal]

Okay

[sand laurel]

[zenith thorn]

her build is just what's in the bot

that's already good

[odd roost]

Yeah for 1st difficulty. The other 2 I used 4shaks+2guni+2cottie

[sand laurel]

grayravens has good information
https://grayravens.com/wiki/Damage_Details

[zenith thorn]

if ur new
it may not be good to head dive into the technical function of calc

but hey it's up to u

[pallid cypress]

guin on harmo?

[odd roost]

It wish which harmo cottie or guni.

[pallid cypress]

also what meories does pyroath and wata use?

[odd roost]

Or I can just stick with 4 cottie

[zenith thorn]

ye
they did copied it from doomy either way

[sand laurel]

yeah, think reading kits and watching guides is better first

[spring seal]

Ohhhh
Now i understand sorry y'all
Mb I didn't know it was so convenient over here 😅😅

[odd roost]

Doesn't matter cause 1 pyro ult+1 vera ult = dead SH

[sand laurel]

how will the build theory crafting look like after we in sync with china?

[pallid cypress]

@odd roost so pyro stays on heraclitus and cottie?

[odd roost]

Yes

[zenith thorn]

wz dalaos

[pallid cypress]

and wata?

[odd roost]

I got 15/19/21

[zenith thorn]

it's boiling in the office

[spring seal]

Also one more thing
Is Stigmata and Jetavie worth investing in?

[pallid cypress]

which memories wata uses?

[odd roost]

I used 4DV+2Einst cause I don't have sig wep

[zenith thorn]

since every wz laos no longer here :lmaocry:

[pallid cypress]

oh i have his sig

[zenith thorn]

im too washed

[pallid cypress]

with DD

[quiet lily]

unwash urself

[odd roost]

If u have sig use 4DV+2gloria+2einst.

[zenith thorn]

how about you pay me 200

i need a new mouse

[quiet lily]

[odd roost]

For Warzone change to 4DV+4alphonse.

[quiet lily]

go diy lah buy rm20 can buy 10

[zenith thorn]

diy rosak in 5 days

10 only last 50

[quiet lily]

50 days, close enough like our patch

[zenith thorn]

probably still better than Logitech

[quiet lily]

every patch change mouse

[zenith thorn]

:lmaocry:

[zenith thorn]

ok rich unc

[pallid cypress]

resos required?

[quiet lily]

logitech low end kinda pepega ye

[sand laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/jane-doe-drink-beer-ai-generated-gif-8625485139055043894

[zenith thorn]

ngl I'm kinda aiming for vxe r1 pro max

[odd roost]

Who has reso in ur fire team?

[quiet lily]

wtf i change mouse after 3-4 uears

[zenith thorn]

good budget i heard

[pallid cypress]

both vera and pyro

[quiet lily]

ohh ye the one u ask in office, i kinda check it out

[pallid cypress]

with wata having resos in his alph+DV set

[quiet lily]

design kinda comfy

go buy one for test, later if good can buy many times

[zenith thorn]

uncle
im unemployed

where money come from

[quiet lily]

apply ptptn later

[pallid cypress]

first picture is vera

and changed wilde to cottie for pyro

[zenith thorn]

wow uncle giving bad life advice

[odd roost]

Pyro glorious afterglow and Vera axial. Wata with Ligyna pet for 1 free orb

[gilded flint]

Why isnt wata on 4 alphonse too?

[quiet lily]

[zenith thorn]

i dont applied for ptptn

[pallid cypress]

vera main DPS

and its PPC

[quiet lily]

u just pay rm50 a month

[odd roost]

It's PPC wata ain't gona see field time

[gilded flint]

I c

[pallid cypress]

so whats the rotation?

@odd roost

[odd roost]

https://youtu.be/KwU_Ar9V4nY?si=nQrcJcN3BPmxWNjm

[white oriole]

Is 5m decent for Phys? 2.322 111 111
Any reference video? I’m so clueless rn

[odd roost]

Always check windbell for budget PPC

[pallid cypress]

i dont have to copy 1:1 the builds right?

because the video is using pyroath as main DPS

and im on vera main DPS

[zenith thorn]

ss solace and ss alisa bad af

think that's really good

you could aim for 5.5m

[white oriole]

I think I got carried by Selena

[odd roost]

https://youtu.be/e5SPrB7_R58?si=UpKeDK6mHfqwegRE

[zenith thorn]

i can see

[odd roost]

If u want vera to main dps then this one

[white oriole]

Alright ig I can rest until rest then

Will snipe later hopefully not needed

[odd roost]

U can adjust around.

[pallid cypress]

should i put vera on blue or red or that doesnt matter?

[odd roost]

It doesn't matter for units like pyro, vera, hanying

[pallid cypress]

got 14 seconds

[odd roost]

Naice

[pallid cypress]

maybe i should put wata on blue

[odd roost]

Adjust accordingly

[pallid cypress]

but the rotation is easy enough

[odd roost]

Yeah

[pallid cypress]

cant do 11 seconds

for some reason i think windbell is doing animation cancel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SPrB7_R58

between 0:15 and 0:20

how do i do that?

they only did 2 attacks and the bar emptied

@odd roost

oh its with evade

[odd roost]

Yeah with dodge u can cancel animation to fit 2 rotations in 10sec

Before the amp buff expires

[pallid cypress]

i cant do it

[odd roost]

I also can't and I don't want to lol

[pallid cypress]

im trying but i cant get the timing right

oh i have to hold dodge

still cant push under 14 seconds

[odd roost]

U put empyrea in team?

[pallid cypress]

yep

[odd roost]

With sig?

[pallid cypress]

is just the timing of the animation cancel

[pallid cypress]

yup

[odd roost]

Aah

[white oriole]

Swap in > Dodge > Blue > Dodge > Blue > Ult1 > Red > Dodge > Red > Hold Basic (continue doing this) > Dodge when the bar start to deplete, and the camera angle change > Dodge again after a bit > Ult2

[pallid cypress]

im doing that but i cant get the cancel right

also this is my score

[odd roost]

practice makes perfect.

[pallid cypress]

14 seconds in knight and shorter times afterwards could compensate primal projection?

[odd roost]

Oh man u gotta get the exact time in the videos

[pallid cypress]

well got 13 seconds

[odd roost]

Around 609k needed lol

[odd roost]

Naice

[pallid cypress]

is 12 seconds good enough?

[young badge]

could be better

[pallid cypress]

@young badge is to compensate for primal projection

[odd roost]

This guy trolling lol.

12sec is great

[simple dew]

why are ppl malding ppc

just whel harder

[pallid cypress]

dammit i cant get 12 seconds anymore

[odd roost]

Bruh u didn't save 12 sec?

[pallid cypress]

no, still trying to push 11

[odd roost]

lol do hell 1st

If u get 350k+ u can calculate the other 2 easily

No need to mald in the lower ones that much.

[simple dew]

what kinda scores did u get on primal that u need this high scorew

[pallid cypress]

already showed

[pallid cypress]

@simple dew

[simple dew]

homeless lilith

[odd roost]

U can just go 350k, 175k, 88k score and you'll reach 1.8mil

[simple dew]

all you need is 604k on shorthalt

[pallid cypress]

then i can do with 12-13 seconds on knight then

[odd roost]

Yes

Bro's malding on the wrong difficulty.

[pallid cypress]

dammit i run out of orbs

[simple dew]

malding knight

[pallid cypress]

im on chaos now

and now i get it i need to start on wata

[odd roost]

Bruh do Hell 1st if u get 350k on hell then u can relax on the other 2. Just do simple calculating to know how much to get

[simple dew]

should have put more effort into primal

[pallid cypress]

tried but didnt had wanshi for res shred

[simple dew]

[pallid cypress]

how is windbell getting extra orbs on hell?

im always an orb short for the second rotation

@odd roost am i doing it too fast?

windbell is being way faster than me but still has the 6 blue orbs after the first rotation

[crystal rune]

You need lingya on starter

[simple dew]

lingya?

[pallid cypress]

yeah on liv

[simple dew]

ultima?

[pallid cypress]

and she is the starter

[pallid cypress]

yep

[simple dew]

idk then

[pallid cypress]

and she is on blue

[pallid cypress]

i always get confused with lingya because it doesnt feel consistent to me

[crystal rune]

You need to 3p with lingya holder