📨・meta-help

[stark field]

Shouldn't Nihil dmg be boosted?

[zealous goblet]

Is it just me or Lilith doesn't do crazy damage like the other DPS's we've had in recent patches? She kinda feels underwhelming even with her sig and SS

[sharp valve]

Ishmael ain't dps

[stark field]

Guess I'll just SSS+ Nanami and brute force Nihil

What a joke

[indigo hemlock]

Are we gonna pull for DMC cubs with collab tickets as well?

[haughty vale]

guys where to grind blue base ticket

[lean plinth]

there we go

[rocky wedge]

She is very strong but quite difficult to understand

[broken fox]

slide to the right

[dull moon]

im getting 300k on hell on ppc group y with lilith but i need at least 340k

[rocky wedge]

Probably one of the more difficult characters she has a lot of orb combos

Lilith is an amp though but ye her damage for an amp is very good

[lean plinth]

@chilly trail this is with the amp buff

[round lake]

the issue with Lilith is her teammate are weak af

[stark crystal]

who are the best a ranks to have in general ?

[peak sonnet]

I can't mald anymore

[round lake]

so you have only one choice: to buff the hell out of Lilith with everything you have

[lean plinth]

wtf.

[rocky wedge]

Should send video, SS0 Ishmael can score 5mil in hero with Luna as qte slave and sub dps SSS wanshi

[peak sonnet]

I can't get 5m I'm slow af

[lean plinth]

im getting 2 mil

;-;

[peak sonnet]

You'll get there eventually

[rocky wedge]

Wait what map is that, nihil or lightning

[peak sonnet]

Nihil

[lean plinth]

how dude wtf is ur damn builds

[peak sonnet]

Im using this rot https://youtu.be/2jogbcFG_Gk?si=Y1VxnNLMrIIWaEiN

[rocky wedge]

Sig weapons, cubs and weapon resonance can reach those scores

[lean plinth]

this nihil team?

[peak sonnet]

Yes

[lean plinth]

how tf did wanshi lucid dreamer do that much dmg

am I missing smth, i have Lilith btw so.

[peak sonnet]

SSS r1 wanshi

[chilly trail]

Hmmm still low

[peak sonnet]

My ss3 Lilith doing worse

[lean plinth]

better but yeah ur right

[lean plinth]

tf how.

either way i wont question it

[hexed osprey]

The orange ones are the ones I should resonate, or every one?

[lean plinth]

what the hell am I doing wrong

[peak sonnet]

Luna rot is clunky af

[hexed osprey]

Also, what should I spend doing that?

[peak sonnet]

Cuz I don't know how to 3 rot

[peak sonnet]

Everyone

[tired socket]

orange is for harmonization which requires 6star wep

[hexed osprey]

I see, thanks

[harsh storm]

which colour orb for lillith awaken

[hexed osprey]

What resource should I spend doing that then?

[peak sonnet]

Doesn't matter

[naive portal]

what's with the leap skill do i just upgrade 1 or all those 3 leap skills?

[rocky wedge]

What is your investment firstly

[hexed osprey]

?

[peak sonnet]

All

[naive portal]

oke thanks

[peak sonnet]

Do you have a memory usb?

[rocky wedge]

Like mine is 2.03.02.0 213 all harmo

This is order of character ranks / weapon resonance

[hexed osprey]

I don't think so

[chilly trail]

His 222 150 100

[peak sonnet]

You'll definitely eat up a lot of resources by using the event token

[hexed osprey]

The ones from the Lilith Daemonisa event?, also I should get her cub and fragments?

[rocky wedge]

Memories ideally, the same memory can be used for resonance or you can use memory reso USB to choose important resonance you need (don't use this for the top resonances, only for ones such as class, core, Sig move which are on bottom reso slots)

[karmic breach]

Is it okay to almost use finish my resources to build a team?I just started not long ago

[rocky wedge]

Probably missing hypertunes and border pact also

[hexed osprey]

Thanks!

[rocky wedge]

Should still have higher score but ye won't reach over 4m I think

Or maybe even 3 ♿

[lean plinth]

hmm ok a bit better with only 1 mess up

[chilly trail]

I think he has, also luna ss3 actually

[lean plinth]

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/18278264/characters

check

[indigo hemlock]

Border Pact? What does that have to do with WZ?

[rocky wedge]

Ss3 Luna not a big diff

[lean plinth]

i could without sacrificing other character ranks that's why I did it

also it's a noticeable difference so I don't mind

[peak sonnet]

Additional skill lvl

[rocky wedge]

Extra +1 to all skill levels and also the extra dmg bonus on hypertunes from the second border pact

[peak sonnet]

So more dmg

[indigo hemlock]

Wait that applies OUTSIDE?!

[lean plinth]

i mean ..

[chilly trail]

Use cub too, Lilith n cw's
Put +atk and dmg bonus when using cub

[stark crystal]

help me pick an s rank from this

[half parcel]

Whoever you like

[lean plinth]

.

[stark crystal]

ok

[lean plinth]

who should I put the cw's on?

[half parcel]

Yes, put a fully resonated character there

[lean plinth]

as if I have one

i need to complete Lilith build so i can put that chac there

[lean plinth]

this will be filled by watanabe

and next pyraoth

[fading kestrel]

no, there are no skins in the dmc patch

[lean plinth]

i have pyraoth but not enough materials to use

[lean plinth]

alright that's doable

[lean plinth]

build her*

let me try it with cub

[zinc charm]

wdym arent dmc gives free alisa skin there?

or am i tripping and its for next patch?

[fading kestrel]

skins for the dmc units specifically

[zinc charm]

ohhh i mean do they need skin? their design alr peak

like Scrumptious delicious juicy thick

[unborn hound]

zex is your rot still the same or have u updated it?

[carmine reef]

different

[unborn hound]

do u have a video?

[carmine reef]

i alternate between the regular 4rot and a zaza 4rot i came up with

i have a video

https://youtu.be/7JBpNESjeaE

[unborn hound]

show please because i might need to do exactly what u described lol

[cursive mason]

made it to 1.8 mil for the first time
this thing here is tanky...

[spice aspen]

wata can solo babel tower right?

[rocky wedge]

Yes applies everywhere you can use your characters

[spice aspen]

finally my wanshi can shine

[rocky wedge]

PPC, wz, Norman, Alles my bru

[frank kindle]

Soontm

my tourists are slacking with quests

[spice aspen]

my tourists chat is barely active

[astral marsh]

Can someone ping the cn team bot? I keep forgetting the command prompts...

[buoyant hornet]

@lean plinth just started watching your run and right off the bat

You probably shouldn't start with luna altogether

[unborn hound]

i had that happen to me

[last blade]

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/22688082/characters yo what should my lighting team be now that I have feral and CW? I used to use Ayla luna

need to do PPC but also need CW for 3 of them for the manual

[peak sonnet]

You use feral instead of ayla

[dull moon]

@cursive mason what did you use for dark ppc

[wet tusk]

about the vouchers, is it okay that I ss3 lilith first before I try to sss0 wanshi?

[fluid gulch]

Garnet, Star trail, Feral

CW is out of the team

[last blade]

don't got garnet

ah I know but CW is needed for the missions thing

[wet tusk]

because my dark team is hella bricked with s0 karen, and no lamia lolol

[cursive mason]

my SSS Lilith, my SSS+ teddy and SSS XXI

[buoyant hornet]

• You set Luna to starter and didn't swap off, that's already a big no no. If a character is meant to do a proper rotation the starter should always be a QTE bot or another character, and you instantly swap to the character that's supposed to do their rotation (the entry attack counts as a 3 ping while gives ult energy + affects every character's kit in some way)

• Starting with luna led to having to land too many moves on waves without shred. Ishmael's rotation leaves behind a shred field that helps avoid that

• QTE management needs work

• Letting Luna's orb animations play out is a major time waste, you should dodge cancel the orb animations and use 1 basic after every dodge (tricky inputs to get used to)

(Still haven't finished watching, these are initial notes) @lean plinth

[unborn hound]

not r1

[dull moon]

@cursive mason im only at ss3 and teddy is ss not built

[wet tusk]

about the vouchers, is it okay that I ss3 lilith first before I try to sss0 wanshi?

[unborn hound]

if r1 the score will be 5.0m

[cursive mason]

do you have some battle pass vouchers?

[buoyant hornet]

What's the use case for this maybe I should try it

[frail hinge]

Okay

[wet tusk]

can someone help me 😔

[frail hinge]

I can't for the life of me break 3.5million

[carmine reef]

it's just better. i literally spreadsheeted it out. the only thing is that you have to alternate it with the regular 4rot to have mark at the end

[frail hinge]

Tripple ult rots for ish don't work cause of the weather

[carmine reef]

i can send you my sheet

[fluid gulch]

You either can run CW with dv set, or you can use Lux

[cursive mason]

honestly my lilith got SSS with vouchers and my wanshi is still at SS0 so...

[frail hinge]

Bro wdym 4 rot bruhhh

[carmine reef]

i spent ||a couple hours|| just figuring all the math out

[unborn hound]

send the sheet

and also why not 3 rot anymore?

[frail hinge]

What am I doing wrong

[buoyant hornet]

Hmm I got 5m with 3ult luna 3ult Ishmael I wonder if it can go higher lol

[frail hinge]

Zex is 3.5m void good

[carmine reef]

ish weather is 4 rot

[last blade]

then what's feral going to have? rn she has 2 guin 2 vinki

[cursive mason]

though I do not know if that was the best thing to do

[foggy ridge]

whats ur invest

[unborn hound]

no

[frail hinge]

222 121 111

[buoyant hornet]

Depends on invest pookie

[unborn hound]

what if weather is luna?

[frail hinge]

I can't break past 3.5

[foggy ridge]

[last blade]

38282746262764727181828281 17282818181 18281818192

[foggy ridge]

luna brick fr

[frail hinge]

Tripple rot ish isn't doing much better

Actually doing slightly worse

[buoyant hornet]

I got much better results with 3rot for some reason

Went from 4.77 to 5m

[carmine reef]

i still had better results with 4rot on luna weather but i'm not going to make any hard claims for that week bc i tried like 4 different setups

[foggy ridge]

idk what the difference between 3 rot and 4 rot is either

[buoyant hornet]

Video?

[carmine reef]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e31H4jbh90OKvFOKSlkbe-pTHGvPmxu3KVxOEIS3q0w/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[frail hinge]

Should 3 rot ish be scoring less

[carmine reef]

my zaza rot is at the bottom

[foggy ridge]

no seriously what is it

[unborn hound]

im getting better result with 3 rot even in this weather tbh

[frail hinge]

Cause double rot ish double rot luna is so far my highscore

[last blade]

WTF IS WEATHER??

[buoyant hornet]

Should be higher but also depends on what cubs you have

[carmine reef]

oh i forgot to change hold on

[wet tusk]

what the hell is a weather?????????

[carmine reef]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e31H4jbh90OKvFOKSlkbe-pTHGvPmxu3KVxOEIS3q0w/edit?usp=sharing

[frail hinge]

There is an effect that applies to each warzone cycle that buffs according to specific things

Currently

Void weather buffs void damage bt like 60% for the first 18 secs after swap

[frail hinge]

I have luna and ish cub and lingya

[unborn hound]

it's 30 degrees outside

[foggy ridge]

my void is actual brick bro someone give me sss loona

[frail hinge]

I can't for the life of me get it higher
Tripple rot is just doing worse

[last blade]

ohhhh

[frail hinge]

Can y'all fit 3 rot into the 18 sec.time window?

[carmine reef]

you can fit 4 rot into 18s

[frail hinge]

There's no anim cancels for ish so idk what I'm doing so wrong

[carmine reef]

that's why i said ish weather is 4 rot
it's exactly 18s

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah should definitely be at least 3.8-4m

[wet tusk]

30 degrees what? north of west?

[last blade]

@fluid gulch hello

[frail hinge]

I'm just scoring less idk why man

I'll try some more

[buoyant hornet]

Probably qte management issues

[frail hinge]

Tripple rot ish double rot luna right

[buoyant hornet]

3rot luna needs proper qte management

[frail hinge]

Bruh I'm not a casual or anything my qtes are good😭

[unborn hound]

outside has 30 degrees north and west?

[foggy ridge]

me doing triple rot is too fast for lunas cd to end is that normal? 😭

[carmine reef]

famous last words

[frail hinge]

Ssshhh

[wet tusk]

yeah, 30 degrees in a triangle?

[frail hinge]

Tripple rot outline Right

[foggy ridge]

i dont want to keep switching to ayla just to proc deer on that 1 second downtime godDAMN is it garbage to do

[carmine reef]

ish 3rot is 14s
if you're doing 3rot you should be swapping to 3rd

[buoyant hornet]

Qtes are often trickier than you'd expect lol even good players can trip up on qtes if they're new to using a rotation

[frail hinge]

Why's it scoring sm lower

[hushed grotto]

Hello, im a new player and would really like some clarification on the r&d tickets. I was following the tutorial and it made me summon im assuming? I am now showing 1/40 guaranteed S rank researched. Did I waste my currency by accident?

[foggy ridge]

lmao im still garbage at qtes

[frail hinge]

Nah

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah

[frail hinge]

Sigh

[unborn hound]

no

[frail hinge]

I'll keep trying

[crystal cipher]

What do crit rolls on memories give? Crit rate? Crit dmg?

(For example, the atk 15, crit 15 memory resonances)

[hushed grotto]

This is what I got

[unborn hound]

whale

[carmine reef]

i don't like this for 3 rot which is the same reason i didn't like it for 4 rot, which is that the kicks are understacked, which is why i made my rot in the first place

[hushed grotto]

Not sure if it did a multi or just a single

[buoyant hornet]

How much faster

[frail hinge]

Idk tripple rot luna tho
Wouldn't you be out of orbs by the third

[unborn hound]

[frail hinge]

Okay teach me your rot

[carmine reef]

and also that the kicks are always desynced from ult

bro i literally put the sheet

[frail hinge]

Desynced from ult?

[buoyant hornet]

Well

[frail hinge]

Well yeah I did see that the kicks are always pretty understacked

[foggy ridge]

like maybe 1 second or less before lunas swap cd ends

[carmine reef]

my rot has kicks into ult2 so that you can dv buff on both

[fluid gulch]

Actually, let Feral run 4 pc dv, 2pc guin, 2 pc samantha, while CW will be running 2 pc gloria and 2 pc eins

[foggy ridge]

i could prolong it by just wasting more ish dodges

[last blade]

I don't have ferals Sig ahem..

[frail hinge]

Okay teach mee

[foggy ridge]

but idk how viable that is without wasting time somehow

[carmine reef]

SCROLL UP CLICI THE SHEET

[last blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ashton-hall-videogame-ashton-hall-ashton-hall-angry-game-gif-10405350340312903712

[hexed osprey]

So, the void team is Luna Oblivion, Ishmael Parhelion and Lilith Daemonisa right?

[buoyant hornet]

That's fine

[frail hinge]

That tripple rot was scoring less than double rot anyways

[frail hinge]

Ew documents

[hexed osprey]

What set should I use on Lilith, then?

[buoyant hornet]

Clici

[unborn hound]

bro is using double rot bruh

[frail hinge]

Video where

[carmine reef]

I LINKED A VIDEO TOO

[foggy ridge]

double rot luna?

[fluid gulch]

that rot is buns

[carmine reef]

[frail hinge]

Where

[carmine reef]

YOU WERE LITERALLY TALKING IN CHAT

[unborn hound]

both luna and ish have better scores with triple rot

[foggy ridge]

ew luna triple rot

[buoyant hornet]

Lies

[carmine reef]

i would not say it's guaranteed that you should do luna 3rot always

[last blade]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-never-cry-queen-never-cry-baby-gif-13756904774161979111

[carmine reef]

it's something you should keep in mind but 2 rot will be better in many situations

[unborn hound]

smh

[frail hinge]

I'm tired dawg been trying variations of tripple and double mjd class day

[unborn hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JBpNESjeaE&t=

[buoyant hornet]

My hater era is approaching

[frail hinge]

Is this it

[last blade]

do we have a document for rots for everyone

[buoyant hornet]

I saw it I'm just anti zexous today

[frail hinge]

Ew no 4 rot

[last blade]

we need that

[buoyant hornet]

When zex says something helpful I have to combat it

[onyx jasper]

Erm, can someone explain to me something

[carmine reef]

i'll just stop saying helpful things then

[buoyant hornet]

Spread misinformation‼️

[last blade]

do the good work soldier 💪💪💪

[unborn hound]

[onyx jasper]

Where's the grind stuff for specific materials? It changed?

[last blade]

NOOOOOO

[buoyant hornet]

Ty pookie now we can retain legend easier

[onyx jasper]

Like what happened here

[foggy ridge]

oh they moved it on the resources tab

oh nvm im dumb

[foggy ridge]

no they removed it altogether

[frail hinge]

Zex where's the rot I'm not scrolling up the professor is staring dead in Mt ehes

[foggy ridge]

simulated battlefield is way better for it anyway

[carmine reef]

it's in the sheet you can find it with a search

[buoyant hornet]

Khaled just linked it a 2nd time 😭😭😭

[foggy ridge]

tell ur prof he/shes hot

[frail hinge]

That was 4 rot

[buoyant hornet]

.

[frail hinge]

Didn't zex talk about tripple rot

[foggy ridge]

timi is fighting demons rn

[carmine reef]

i have my triple rot in the sheet too

[buoyant hornet]

On which character exactly 😭

[carmine reef]

which you would know if you opened it

[fluid gulch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e31H4jbh90OKvFOKSlkbe-pTHGvPmxu3KVxOEIS3q0w/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[onyx jasper]

Come again? What am I supposed to do now? Just use the simulated battlefield and gamble the points I get there to get my gear?

[fluid gulch]

IT'S RIGHT THERE

[unborn hound]

unfortunately zex rot can't work for me cause wanshi shred is 12s

and i don't want to luna

[foggy ridge]

what are you looking for exactly?

[foggy ridge]

right ur on zaza void

[copper ginkgo]

how you gamble you get what you want

[onyx jasper]

Bloody anything lmao EXP, Memories of the like

[onyx jasper]

Like here I just gamble what I get

[foggy ridge]

just click on simulated battlefield and on the shop on the bottom left. you can get exp and shiz straight up with the blue coin currency

[onyx jasper]

Yeah they changed the system entirely to this? Seems very instant and short now

[foggy ridge]

gamble? no you just buy it straight up

[onyx jasper]

I like it personally just quite wack

[buoyant hornet]

Btw luna triple rot I forgor

I won't include basic weaving and dodge cancel inputs

Swap > 3p to fill gauge (unless it's already pre-filled from previous swap) > hold basic > ult 1 > 3p > 3p > hold basic > ult 2

3p + 3p > ult 1 > hold basic > 3p + 3p > ult 2

Hold basic > ult 1 > 3p +3p > hold basic > ult 2

[carmine reef]

you messed the last line up pookie

you hold basic immediately after ult2 on the 3rd rot

[foggy ridge]

if ur talking overclock mats ig but tbh you can trade the excess mats into something else you need

[buoyant hornet]

Oh fck

[carmine reef]

you're using too many orbs in what you wrote

[fluid gulch]

What's the point doing hold ba after ult1?

[onyx jasper]

But it says here what gives you is random

[vivid reef]

Yea... It's "sort of" gamble

[carmine reef]

luna 3 rot
rot 1: same as usual
rot 2: ult1 then hold ba then 2x3p then ult2
rot 3: hold ba then ult1 then 2x3p hold ba

[carmine reef]

energy

[foggy ridge]

oh yeah. but you can always trade excess stuff for what you need. sorta like the synthesis system in wuwa/hsr on the regular shop

[buoyant hornet]

Ult energy

Basically doing that + 2 3pings gives you enough energy to ult but it's weaker since you didn't fill the gauge and use the drill attack

[onyx jasper]

I see, well I dont care about that stuff at the moment so I guess I'll just let it be

[onyx jasper]

(I play neither of those games) but alright

[vivid reef]

I just buy 999 of these at once

[buoyant hornet]

Ty for correction my brain is melting today

[foggy ridge]

based

[frail hinge]

Dude just teach me ish 3 rot

[onyx jasper]

Also, important question, isn't this BADASS looking girl the one Vergil fought?!

Wait wrong image

[foggy ridge]

cw?

[foggy ridge]

yeah

[onyx jasper]

They're just giving her for free?!

[carmine reef]

it's literally labeled and everything, if you want to be even more spoonfed than this than you need to go search up a kindergarten

[astral marsh]

Quick question, how's vera dmg looking like? At ss0r1 invest on fast ppc boss will she replace pyroath as DPS? Or pyroath is still dps and she's qte bot?

[unborn hound]

Is there no attack weaving involved here?

[vivid reef]

Yup

[buoyant hornet]

Yes because she's outdated in meta lol

[buoyant hornet]

There definitely is lol

[young folio]

what is Lilith's weapon reso recommendation?

[carmine reef]

no weaving required with 4rot ish for either 2 rot or 3 rot luna
3rot ish requires half as much weaving as pre-ish

[faint agate]

How much in $ does it cost to sss and build everyone theoretically and have all skins and weapons too?

[onyx jasper]

Screw meta, she's indescribably badass, I'll main her

[carmine reef]

if you're doing 4rot ish luna gets so much time for dlt that you don't need to weave at all

[foggy ridge]

with a catch atleast. depending on ur invest and certain circumstances, she might not see use at all cause shes pretty old as a unit

[buoyant hornet]

For dark: dlt > amp resos

For plasma: amp resos > dlt

[carmine reef]

i'm not doing any ba weaving at all on luna rn

[cursive mason]

oh now I know where I can potentially use my future A-Ranks
I don't have enough teams to do all of babel tower 😭

[onyx jasper]

Though she's supposed to be very important far off in the story no? Though her name LITERALLY spoils me that she's supposedly Lucia or something renamed Alpha

[carmine reef]

feels pretty good to fit both ults cleanly in amp buff

[foggy ridge]

just be wary it might affect u in the future is all

[young folio]

so if I'm using plasma I do amp reos?

[buoyant hornet]

Whale

[carmine reef]

i know ur ass has same invest as me

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah although you can use dlt for convenience if you don't care about maximizing score

[astral marsh]

Anyone know?

[cursive mason]

do Affixes work in babel tower or do they do less damage there?
asking for future use of Dante and Vergil

[carmine reef]

you do not even come CLOSE to needing dlt on lilith for plasma

[unborn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

[carmine reef]

don't even recommend it for convenience

lilith is literally not even orb negative in plasma

she needs FOUR ORBS

[stark crystal]

wait ishmal can heal ??

i just noticed it

[astral marsh]

If u use her as amp, yes

[vivid reef]

If she's used as a amplifier, then yes

[azure barn]

if she's the Amp yes

[vivid reef]

[buoyant hornet]

Isn't long -> short rot fitting into amp buff with ba weaving? idr tbh

[stark crystal]

ok that is why i wasen't seeing it in my lightning team

[young folio]

oh I'm just interesting in the most optimal resonance for her in general for plasma

[astral marsh]

Any cn bros/testers know??

[stark crystal]

she was tank in that

[onyx jasper]

Am I rhubarbed where am I supposed to click here the only clickable thing here is the skip button

[carmine reef]

without ba weaving you can fit the actual 2 rot in amp buff, like the normal 2 rot with drill atk both rots

[vivid reef]

Skip and report

[carmine reef]

with ba weaving you can't

[hushed grotto]

Okay so going forward how does r&d tickets work

[buoyant hornet]

She's like -1 negative if you use the big brain zaza cycles but extremely minimal basic weaving is more than enough

[onyx jasper]

Report how? And what?

[carmine reef]

??

[vivid reef]

Report the bug or something in this discord server

[carmine reef]

you know you can just stay in ult form on lilith the whole run right

you don't want to use the ult anyway cause you want lucia to trigger it

[vivid reef]

@onyx jasper https://discord.com/channels/595893569609269251/867754042791952394

[carmine reef]

you just stay in ult form and all you need is 6 orbs and hold atk triggers matrix so 4 orbs

what big brain is there to do about it

you get 4 orbs by default for swapping in

[buoyant hornet]

Oh yeah last week I was doing that it's actually nice to get both into amp buff

But somehow I find her quick rot input more annoying than basic weaving 😭

[onyx jasper]

Alright thanks

[unreal halo]

What weapon reso for lamia

[carmine reef]

dlt

[unreal halo]

Hmm

[spiral merlin]

She's slower than wata and about on par with wata dmg

[unreal halo]

Downloadable Torrent

[spiral merlin]

At this invest

[ruby rock]

Is it fine if i don't get Ishmael's 6 star and stick with her 5 weapon?

[buoyant hornet]

Idk a couple of peepol mentioned the orb thing probably a very strat-specific issue idk

[buoyant hornet]

She's not stronger than double rot wata?

[supple mortar]

Dude, wtf is Selfless Stance bruh 😭😭

[buoyant hornet]

Read ig 😭

[supple mortar]

Im reading rn

[buoyant hornet]

It's something in crimson weave's kit

[buoyant hornet]

Intriguing

[carmine reef]

selfless stance i think is hold dodge

[unreal coyote]

Should I ish for dark cuz my wanshi is not ss0 and dont have his sig weap?

[spiral merlin]

Well she can only fit in one rotation regardless

[buoyant hornet]

It is

[carmine reef]

like the actual holding, not the release

[buoyant hornet]

I thought she did 2 now or is that for SSS only

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah

[spiral merlin]

They're really about equal I only give Vera the edge because she's simple af and no capacity for error

[spiral merlin]

high ranks only yeah

[carmine reef]

vera cheeks below sss

[chilly trail]

Ss still hold dv guin?

[spiral merlin]

At high ranks Vera outdps wata for sure

But at low ranks lmaooo

[unreal coyote]

.

[carmine reef]

all ranks hold dv guin if you have proper fire team

[buoyant hornet]

Also tbh aside from her dogsht ult 2 dmg distribution she seems less prone to losing major damage between wave transitions

[plush agate]

Should i get a dupe to SSS0 her? or i jus keep investing in thunderbolt research, or focus on getting a sig wep for starrail/pyro/obliv?

[spiral merlin]

That's where I disagree I've had so much dmg loss from ult

[carmine reef]

vera sig mem doesn't give dmg, just qol for double rotting or smth, so you'd only use sig mem if you didn't have the rest of the team

[buoyant hornet]

Unlike mr. ihavezerogroupinginmykit

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah I can imagine and I know it'll piss me off too

[plush agate]

@carmine reef what do u think i should prio first?

[unreal coyote]

This my question

[buoyant hornet]

For solo not even double rot

[unreal coyote]

It seems like its getting buried lol

[carmine reef]

you do realize sss is 4 dupes

[plush agate]

Ik

do i have the chance to get the dupes till the next patch?

[carmine reef]

sss is not even close to the same priority as getting sig weps

[buoyant hornet]

Sadge

[vivid reef]

Why are you using ish and luna for dark...?

[carmine reef]

sig weps come even before ss3 dude

[plucky harbor]

BRO.
TF IS THAT

[unreal coyote]

Cuz my wanshi is weak

[plucky harbor]

She cancelled Bianca;s core lmao

[vivid reef]

Why not lamia and karenina?

[plush agate]

so I'll jus focus on sig and thunderbolt rs rn?

[unreal coyote]

Didn't get him into ss0 and didn't get his sig

[vivid reef]

But wanshi is ice

[carmine reef]

yes

[plush agate]

okay thx

[buoyant hornet]

Tbf I can see why Vera may be underwhelming for your team invest but she's still super valuable for anyone who had 222 team with empy tbh

[vivid reef]

By any chance... Are you confusing Nihil with dark?

[supple mortar]

Btw what will Vergil element be

[unreal coyote]

Technically but with luna as attacker it can deal dark dmg cuz of luna

[unreal coyote]

Phys

[buoyant hornet]

You're basically adding a 2nd wata + crazy amp buff + 10% more fire qte buff

[vivid reef]

Lilith is dark and Luna/Ishmael are Nihil

[supple mortar]

I see

[carmine reef]

no it don't

[vivid reef]

Physical

[unreal coyote]

Have you seen luna kit

[carmine reef]

luna doesn't change the dmg type

only the buffs/debuffs

[vivid reef]

It doesn't work like that ....?

[unreal coyote]

I dont have scire bro...

[carmine reef]

wanshi will still be doing ice dmg and luna will still be doing void dmg

[frail hinge]

What do the tags yes and no mean

[carmine reef]

only the shred will be converted

[supple mortar]

What's void

[unreal coyote]

Then what should I use?

[carmine reef]

nihil

[buoyant hornet]

Nihil

[foggy ridge]

nihil

[supple mortar]

Ah kk

[buoyant hornet]

Sync

[foggy ridge]

penile

[atomic tartan]

does PPC attempts carryover/stack throughout the week? i felt like i did 9 atttempts in a single day before when i was new.....

[carmine reef]

kick mark

[unreal coyote]

I could use no.21 then lamia?

[buoyant hornet]

Wait what's a kick mark

Purple gauge?

[carmine reef]

you need mark to perform kick

from dodge5

[vivid reef]

I have, it just converts the elemental buffs into global buffs

[buoyant hornet]

Aka when the numbers turn purple right?

[carmine reef]

bro

u should know better than to ask me this

[unreal coyote]

Yeah right

[vivid reef]

But she will deal nihil damage

No matter what

[unreal coyote]

Okay what should I use?

[spiral merlin]

Yeah it's good, but like tbh it's not so much different from Ishmael in the team

Because at that point you double rota wata and the dmg is about equal

[vivid reef]

What're you fighting against? Ishmael in ppc?

[spiral merlin]

You miss eins so it's worse ofc

[unreal coyote]

Altho spider 2b recommend team comp with wanshi and luna, lilith on wz

[buoyant hornet]

Well I don't

[carmine reef]

only worse in legend

[unreal coyote]

Wz

[carmine reef]

fire in hero so squishy

eins can't even keep up to be worth it

[buoyant hornet]

I always assumed she can kick when numbers are purple LMAO

[vivid reef]

Owhhh.... Warzone nihil?

[unreal coyote]

I have no problem with ppc cuz

[spiral merlin]

Tbh I haven't played fire hero in cn in ages lol

[unreal coyote]

No, dark wz

[carmine reef]

i meant know better than to ask me color-related questions

[unreal coyote]

Cuz I could "windbell" it

[buoyant hornet]

OH LMAO BYYYE 😭

[vivid reef]

I have nihil and physical warzone in my side...

[hushed grotto]

I’m so lost

[supple mortar]

With all these leaps are there old characters with leaps that are atleast worth playing. Is vera useful, i just came back to this game I dont have the new Dark characters.

[unreal coyote]

There is a third wz

[buoyant hornet]

As you can see I'm very bright today

[vivid reef]

Anyways, for dark warzone, use dark characters, simple

[unreal coyote]

Click it and you will see

[hushed grotto]

Like what do I do as a brand new player. What is prio #1

[unreal fjord]

Sea salt

[unreal coyote]

Brick

[buoyant hornet]

What is this name

[carmine reef]

only hero and up gets entropic zone

[chilly trail]

Anubiz

[buoyant hornet]

Whale brackets smh

[unreal coyote]

Yeah, mb

[unreal coyote]

Aw leader zone

[carmine reef]

yeah bro only gets 2 zones cause he's in daycare

[unreal coyote]

Mald more ig

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao that's a perfect way to describe leader atp

[vivid reef]

shush

[carmine reef]

1m total score with tsubaki portrait

[vivid reef]

i spend on skins

[buoyant hornet]

Whale score smh

[carmine reef]

thanks i couldn't tell

[hushed grotto]

What does that mean

[spice aspen]

Hey, hyperreal can solo right? This is for Ballard

[vivid reef]

means i don't have an optimised account

[frail hinge]

Bro ish tripple rot is too much for Mt smol brain

[hushed grotto]

?

[vivid reef]

He can do anything if you believe in him

[frail hinge]

Zex instructions are clear but reading comprehension dangerously low

[hushed grotto]

question was about what I should do as a new player idgaf about your account lol

[frail hinge]

So I can pair ish 3 rot with luna 2 rot right

[vivid reef]

my bad then....

[hushed grotto]

is this the help channel or troll? I haven’t gotten a single good answer

[buoyant hornet]

Maybe but wata double rot is disgusting I'll never do it willingly again 🫃

[hushed grotto]

and it’s about to push me away from the game lmao

[chilly trail]

Imagine reading

[ripe stag]

Fr fr

[carmine reef]

you can't expect a tailored answer when you ask "hi what do i do about everything"

[buoyant hornet]

It's shimple once you get used to it

[carmine reef]

check the pins

[spiral merlin]

That is also fair like I said I give Vera the edge because she's simple af

[spice aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-9760249938255555903

[spiral merlin]

Also I love her moveset

[carmine reef]

get more specific information and if you have a more specific question you can ask here

[unreal halo]

What team for primal projection corrosion PPC?

[carmine reef]

but don't expect someone to give you the answer to life

[hushed grotto]

I asked what is prio #1 if you scroll up to my previous question I gave a screenshot and a genuine question about r&d tickets and got no answer

[spiral merlin]

But damn she's disappointing in many ways

[spice aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-clapping-theatre-gif-15313749163340250467

[carmine reef]

pull debut units on themed arrival banner

[fresh cairn]

Okay, classic question, you are here for DMC or not ?

[carmine reef]

don't pull on arrival banner

[hushed grotto]

instead people called me “whale” when i literally just downloaded it. How is that helpful

[carmine reef]

check the pins

[buoyant hornet]

Dark team use Lilith

[unreal halo]

?

[vale raft]

Teddy: Decryptor <:a_rank:1290613305416880169><:support:1290613751242035303><:dark_element:1290613554923438102><:disorder:1288089672718876787>

Main DPS Set

Usage

Main DPS

Game Modes

High Difficulty, Pain Cage, Warzone, Clash Reflection, Norman

Description

Main DPS Set

Memories

4x Bathlon
2x Darwin

Memory Resonances

Top Slot : 6x Any ATK+15 Variant
Bottom Slot: 6x Core Passive

Harmony Recommendation

Seraphine

[hushed grotto]

I just want to enjoy the game, so both

[buoyant hornet]

Does she literally have ZERO ways to do a shortened rotation in PPC for example

Like is she really THAT stiff?

[unreal halo]

I deal so low dmg..... Lilith deals low dmg for me as well

[hushed grotto]

I don’t like making terrible mistakes that will haunt me later so just wanted to see what I should prioritize as I level up

[frail hinge]

What's up what's up

Priorities are every new unit for now

[spice aspen]

Nah but seriously, I'm tryna see how to divide my teams in Babel tower

[fresh cairn]

Okay, get Nanami Startrail in Basic Banner, she is the best for a newbie (useful for Dante as well)

[spiral merlin]

99% stiff
The only freedom you have is the order you choose to slam and blue orb lol
Even then, one way is obviously faster but one way is more reliable

[carmine reef]

there is no hard set rule for teambuilding for babel

[buoyant hornet]

Well primal projection is hilariously tanky but if you're doing "low" dmg then with your characters have low or incomplete invest

OR you're playing wrong

Or both

[carmine reef]

it's just setting up the minimum required to clear

[carmine reef]

||i think that boss is the highest score on a new boss that i've ever gotten||

[spice aspen]

Ight. 450 points it is ehehehe

[unreal halo]

My build is fine... I'm still at SS

[carmine reef]

i meant minimum for whatever score you're aiming for

if that's 450 for you then sure

[buoyant hornet]

Oh what did you get lemme copy your homework pls

[unreal coyote]

Is this okay now?

[spice aspen]

Yeah true.

[carmine reef]

but the point is you don't really worry about timing out for babel usually so

you don't need to blast them with full meta teams

[frail hinge]

You could use ish as a tank of you wanted

[unreal coyote]

I need to get a pass to legend asap I'm a sick hero zone

[supple mortar]

I dont have dark team, who should be my priority first. (I have but old ones up until Laurel lmao)

[full crater]

so how do you get more lvls in babel tower,,, (i tried to send screenshot but discord seems bugged for me) so i set the highest possible difficulty and the next one doesnt open for me, what should i do where should i press i am so confused

[buoyant hornet]

What's your full team + invest

[unreal coyote]

That's what im telling aaaaaaaaa

[frail hinge]

Lilith cause free

[spice aspen]

Random teams work as well

[carmine reef]

just quick couple taps, didn't spend too much time, think it was like 12/17/21 or smth

[supple mortar]

Oh yea. How did i forget

[buoyant hornet]

SS3 lilith?

[unreal coyote]

What build should I use on ish in this zone?

[waxen vine]

[spiral merlin]

What if I want to do solo Sophia max risk

[carmine reef]

still better to follow traditional team building theory like mono element and role split, just that you can switch out meta positions for weaker units of same role

[unreal halo]

Ah.... I don't have scire... I'm currently using Lilith, Lamia, and parhelion

[spice aspen]

How many teams are you using

[ripe stag]

I used Lilith Wanshi Luna

[chilly trail]

4dv 4bathlon

[unreal coyote]

Support set or the main set?

[carmine reef]

||sss i did a cheeky 20p on the special banner||

[unreal halo]

OKIIII

[unreal coyote]

Okay thanks you

[buoyant hornet]

Oh can you elaborate on the faster/more reliable part?

[spice aspen]

Yeah. I can probably space out my meta units into the three different teams with non meta units

[buoyant hornet]

Smh whel

[ripe stag]

What's your Wanshi and Lilith investment

[carmine reef]

i'm actually kind of miffed about it

cause i had already bought the 60 shards this month

[spiral merlin]

Slam then blue eliminates one dodge cancel because you can ult immediately after pressing blue

[carmine reef]

so now i have an extra 20 shards over

[buoyant hornet]

Oh 😭

[unreal coyote]

Then about lamia?

[carmine reef]

i could've saved 16k vouchers smh

[buoyant hornet]

Damn lmao

[carmine reef]

stupid ass sss1

[buoyant hornet]

Rip

[full crater]

one,,,, omfg i used second team and it stacked, i had no idea. thank you a lot

[spiral merlin]

sss3 or nothing

[chilly trail]

Her main mems

[carmine reef]

nah

lilith sss3 looks cheeks

[spiral merlin]

Give me those shards then

[unreal coyote]

Okay thanks

[supple mortar]

Old Dark S are so sht lmao

[spiral merlin]

It's pretty decent

[unreal coyote]

Finally im freee

[carmine reef]

i thought about it but it really doesn't look even remotely worth it

[spice aspen]

Yeah no problem. Now you know why I was asking for which teams can solo. You can change difficulties for each team so you get the score you want

[carmine reef]

it's basically just dmg on red orb

[patent pollen]

Can I use SS0 rotation with SS3 Ishmael cause I've got the SS0 rotation engraved to my muscle memory but can't do SS3 rotation yet

[spiral merlin]

It's not the most impactful but it's very nice to have

[gloomy moon]

what's the 5th ending

[spiral merlin]

I've had many instances of 1hp mobs

[chilly trail]

Can also try 4sig 2cottie 2eins too

[unreal halo]

Luna 7.2k, wanshi 7.2k, Lilith 7.2k

[carmine reef]

idk about "nice to have" when i'd have to spend like an extra 30 shards for it bro

i'm not whel like u

[spiral merlin]

ic

[buoyant hornet]

What about blue>slam?

[still moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204144731135938592/1375849274935480351/Luna_Lick.gif

[carmine reef]

i got ss0 amps

[spice aspen]

Pretend broke, bro has 3k skulls probably

[spiral merlin]

You need to dodge cancel blue into slam

[carmine reef]

i can't be out here getting sss3 lilith for red orb dmg

[buoyant hornet]

Any benefits over the other route?

[spiral merlin]

naur Lilith deserves it

[unreal fjord]

[carmine reef]

i don't but also skulls aren't rly an indicator of whelness

[buoyant hornet]

So it's not even stronger it's just plain worse?

[spiral merlin]

No difference except speed

Like I said one is faster but I've messed it up a couple times bc I was going too fast

[buoyant hornet]

So she's basically 100% stiff

[spiral merlin]

Really means nothing in the larger scale tho

[spiral merlin]

Yeah

[buoyant hornet]

That's really sad lmao

[spiral merlin]

I say 99% because it honestly isn't enough of a timesave to matter

[buoyant hornet]

Zero zaza zero cookery

[gloomy moon]

guys seryosly

[spice aspen]

500k BC

[carmine reef]

brother i spend like $5-10

[vale raft]

Lilith: Daemonissa <:s_rank:1287636749052412026><:amplifier:1290613387197415467><:dark_element:1290613554923438102><:electroconvergence:1288090218922119181>

Main Support Sub-DPS Set

Usage

Support Sub-DPS

Game Modes

High Difficulty, Pain Cage, Warzone, Clash Reflection, Norman

Description

Recommended for all ranks
General DPS set

Memories

4x Barcelo
2x Cottie

Memory Resonances

Top Slot : 6x Any ATK+15 Variant
Bottom Slot: 6x Signature

Harmony Recommendation

Cottie

[buoyant hornet]

Idk check pins for the spreadsheet

[buoyant hornet]

If you're in legend bracket you're whale automatically I don't make the rules

[empty cargo]

is it good if i play switch with sss wanshi so he doesnt need uptime and then lilith lamia can switch

[buoyant hornet]

Btw zex did you cook

[empty cargo]

or ass

wait shred is not good

[carmine reef]

i made teriyaki salmon and bok choy stir fry last night

[empty cargo]

nevermind

[buoyant hornet]

If you do that you're supposed to drop lamia entirely from the comps

[buoyant hornet]

Lilith + luna + wanshi

[empty cargo]

for dark

[buoyant hornet]

Sick

[vale raft]

Weapon Resonance Priority List - Lilith: Daemonissa

Main Priority List

1. Superconducting Axial Ray
2. Glorious Spear
3. Dead Line Timing

Alternate Priority List

1. Dead Line Timing
2. Superconducting Axial Ray
3. Glorious Spear

[frail hinge]

Props to Ishmael for looking significantly braindead yet is the most thinking I've had to do in a while

I gotta apologise to her for slandering her for months

[carmine reef]

i kinda think the opposite tbh

i think she looks really complicated but there's not actually that much you can adjust on the fly

[frail hinge]

Even after hours of calculation?

[fresh cairn]

Her whole kit actually what make her complicated btw, i don’t think her rotation is that hard

[carmine reef]

that's what i mean though

i had to calculate out a different rot on paper because 90% of the routes lead to brick

[frail hinge]

What an oxymoronic statement

[onyx jasper]

Jesus christ I was completely wrong about this game

[carmine reef]

it's not exactly flexible

[frail hinge]

How so

[onyx jasper]

Seeing the first 3 characters I thought the gameplay would be something as genshin but

[frail hinge]

Not too flexible yeah but the tweaking you need to do to get the most use out of her ends up with everyone having a slightly different Ishmael rot probably

[carmine reef]

99% of people are using the same rot dude

[frail hinge]

Oh no we have to do math for current chars

[frail hinge]

But yours is better isn't it

[carmine reef]

you think these people will put even 1% of the effort i had to put in come up with a different one that works?

i had to spend hours figuring it out

[frail hinge]

Wait which rot is being used by most

[onyx jasper]

This girl's moveset is like 5x more complex than the average genshin character, can really see where she's inspired from. Love the complexity and dept in her gameplay

[frail hinge]

And I will benefit from your hardwork

[carmine reef]

the one thst' just the same dodge hold dodge red red dodge dodge ult every rot

[onyx jasper]

Like HOLY I did NOT expect this game's combat to be that deep

[frail hinge]

Is genshin gameplay that bad she isn't even remotely hard compared to the avg gen 3

[carmine reef]

dude

[deft apex]

cw combat is so simple

[frail hinge]

Bro

[carmine reef]

even the starter B ranks are more complex than genshin kits

[onyx jasper]

Are all S ranked Constructs this complicated in their gameplay

[carmine reef]

yes

[frail hinge]

Is genshin gameplay that horrible holy hell

[unreal halo]

U get used to it

[onyx jasper]

YOU CANT BE SERIOUS HERE THERE'S CHARACTERS MORE COMPLICATED TO USE THAN HER?

[fresh cairn]

It’s not, she is actually quite complicated if you care about how her class gonna work properly, there are plenty of people out there still not understand why her SS3 does not work well with Lilith for example

[raw swift]

no look at nanaknight

[frail hinge]

EVERYONE POST LIKE
QU
IS MORE COMPLICATED

[carmine reef]

all of genshin's tactical involvement is in the element interactions
the individual characters are literally just 3 actions

[frail hinge]

Okay fair

[frail hinge]

Why would I care about casuals

[onyx jasper]

Alpha has stance changes, air combo spam timings, dark damage(?) thing to track, dodge multislash timings, 2 different attack cycles and a lot more other stuff

[frail hinge]

Anyways
For the most potential out of ish
My brain hurts

[onyx jasper]

And you're telling ME she's supposedly BASIC?!

[carmine reef]

you talk a lot of smack for someone who doesn't know how to read

[frail hinge]

Harsh but fair

Anyways

I've only about
Gotten the gist of the opener ish rot

The logic is
No kick
Normal kick
Strong kick

[onyx jasper]

Christ

[carmine reef]

yes but no

[chilly trail]

Yes..... Ult 3ping hold basic attk ult and done

[onyx jasper]

I really hope the bosses are also as complicated and hard to fight as the characters you use though

[frail hinge]

I did NOT think this hard for pyro man I got how to use her immediately

The trick to pyro is adapting om the fly

Ish can't adapt on the fly much yeah but mad potential ish is

[carmine reef]

that's how the kicks are laid out but that isn't the logic for them

[frail hinge]

Idk maybe I just need to get used to that

[carmine reef]

the kicks there are used more for the energy utility

[spiral merlin]

I can never see that monica art again and not think ultima awakening art

[frail hinge]

It's the logic I can understand easily

[frail hinge]

Lmao you'll have fun here

[wet tusk]

just stop playing pgr honestly, every kit is just basically a small book in itself lol

[frail hinge]

Wai zex you think ish is braindead?

[carmine reef]

i wouldn't go as far as braindead

but i think in practice she's not as cerebral as many other characters

[frail hinge]

Well fair

Oke what about if I say it like

Other chars need thinking mid play
Ish needs thinking before you play

[carmine reef]

yes except most people are not doing the thinking before they play

they're just memorizing someone else's rotation

[frail hinge]

C*suals

[carmine reef]

that's literall what ur doing right now

[frail hinge]

Okay well I'm also doing that

[frail hinge]

Yeah but the person I'm mooching off of put alot of work into it

[fading kestrel]

at face value, she has a ton of stuff
but if we go from that, to her actual meta rotation, its basically doing the same stuff on repeat with no variety, because Alpha has I-frames out the ass
certain other characters rotations are more complex both to understand, and to execute

[carmine reef]

for a lot of other characters it's important to still know the kit so that if something goes wrong or outside your expectations you can adjust

[frail hinge]

Also your rot is way harder to memories than the normal one

[carmine reef]

but on ish if you mess up you've probably just ruined the entire swap

[carmine reef]

yes it is

i literally wrote out an emoji form for myself

[peak sonnet]

More complex

[frail hinge]

So gimme praise dammit

[steady otter]

do it ?

[carmine reef]

to do it easier LMAO

[spiral merlin]

yar

[carmine reef]

i have it pinned in my dms with zeru hold on

🟡 ➡️ ➡️ 🔴 🦶 ⭐
➡️ ➡️ 🔴 🔴 ➡️ ➡️ ⭐
🔴 🔴 ➡️ 🦶 ➡️ ➡️ ⭐
➡️ 🔴 🔴 ➡️ ➡️ 🦶 ⭐

[peak sonnet]

[carmine reef]

this is what i wrote out to myself and i just stared at this on my 2nd monitor while i was practicing it LOL

[frail hinge]

PFFT

[spiral merlin]

Yellow into into red feet star

[carmine reef]

as they say

[frail hinge]

Yours is emojis
Mine shall be probably incorrect logic

[eager oasis]

do i always have ti 360 kick on ishmael?

[carmine reef]

no

[spiral merlin]

No

Although I'd love for her to 360 kick me all the time

[frail hinge]

Anyways ish isn't remotely as braindead as I thought

Okay kuro games you cooked

[carmine reef]

in fact only doing 360 kicks is really inefficient

just like how doing only 600 slams on cw is really inefficient

[frail hinge]

Wait but your rot is literally designed around always hitting 300+

[carmine reef]

yeah it's designed around having higher stacks than the other 4 rot

but actually hitting 360 leads to inefficiencies with energy management

[frail hinge]

Ah
I see

[carmine reef]

i basically designed this to get the highest stacks possible while still managing 4 ults

[frail hinge]

Thank you zex for your hardwork I will happily mooch off of

[carmine reef]

if you only tried to get max kicks you'd have to overcap per ult

[frail hinge]

4?nor 3

[carmine reef]

which means you'd have to 3 rot

the 4 rot is the one i spent hours on

my 3 rot is in the sheet but that is not something i mathed out meticulously

that's just what i came up with the first day she came out

[frail hinge]

Wait so it's not super efficient?

[spiral merlin]

The regular 3 rot I do is very solid tbh

[carmine reef]

you can look at the numbers and see for yourself

[frail hinge]

Bruh pls no I don't wanna memories 4 rot

[carmine reef]

it's not inefficient but it does overcap on energy in the second rot

not inefficient as a whole but inefficient in that second rot, i mean

but i haven't really cared to make up a new 3 rot

[frail hinge]

Bruh

Okay
4 rot it is

If I learn 4 rot I'll be super good void player right

Bro I memories 3's opener for nothing

[carmine reef]

well i only played void for like 20 minutes and my score rn is 4.9m so

not for nothing, opener has to be 3

can't do 4 on opener

[spice aspen]

Wait he in legend, nvm

[carmine reef]

i'm in hero rn

was in legend last week

[frail hinge]

Zex I love u

[spice aspen]

Yeah figured

[frail hinge]

So the openers are the same?

[carmine reef]

opener is different

[frail hinge]

Bruh

[carmine reef]

look at the very first one it's labeled opener

after that you have to do the standard 4 rot and then you go into my zaza 4 rot

alternatively if you don't want to do that you can come up with a different opener that leaves mark up at the end

and then you can go into my zaza 4 rot the next swap

but the zaza 4 rot can't go into itself cause it's relying on mark being up from prev swap

[frail hinge]

Sigh

[carmine reef]

so yeah it's a whole lot of effort for probably just a modest gain

[supple mortar]

Is this Dorya

[uneven cloak]

so any idea when does mission claim reset on lilith event ?

[carmine reef]

it doesn't

[uneven cloak]

its doesnt !?

[onyx jasper]

Uhh guys excuse me for missing it, but cant you build memories from these?

[carmine reef]

you expected you could just get a free lilith every single patch?

[frail hinge]

It's not a modest gain cause rn I'm on 3.5 lmao

[carmine reef]

you're not doing 4 rot at all rn

[onyx jasper]

Really sorry I cant tell if the tutorials dont explain stuff well or my autopilot is hindering my understanding

[carmine reef]

it's a modest gain from doing the easy 4 rot only

[uneven cloak]

then why they even put time limited in first place...

[frail hinge]

Yeah

[carmine reef]

you can build 5* memory shards only
hold onto them for now

[frail hinge]

I'll do yours

[ripe stag]

https://youtu.be/c0q2JJwQvFA?si=18xpmBoPN-frc-2O

Imma just drop this here for if anyone needs some suggestions for Primal Projection PPC

• F2P - 12/14/17

[fading kestrel]

450 shards can make any memory of your choice. but they have to be of the same rarity
to do it, go to:
Shop > Recycle Shop > 5* memory Shop

[frail hinge]

Just need 5 hours to learn it

[carmine reef]

the limited research (with bc) is time limited
the regular research (free) is permanent

[vapid cairn]

can anyone tell me if you can buy ppc shards for dante and vergil, im planning to pull vergil once with his weapon and only get dante his weapon

[fading kestrel]

no

[uneven cloak]

so you cant get her outfit ?

[frail hinge]

Nah

[carmine reef]

outfit is free next patch from coating blueprints

[vapid cairn]

damn so rank up is pure gacha

[frail hinge]

Unless you use bc

[carmine reef]

you cannot get it for free in this patch

[onyx jasper]

Ohhh, thanks. But it says here its only 150 though?

Or are you referring in completion of a 3-memory set

[carmine reef]

SS0 is free from ppc shop
higher than that is free for certain units that can be ranked up with vouchers, but for non-voucherable units, higher than SS0 is gacha only

[fading kestrel]

maybe it was 150 lmao. its been so long so im not sure

[frail hinge]

Wait.im peeping your 4 rot and there's no opener stated do I just use normal openers

[vapid cairn]

im asking specifically dante vergil tho since its collab unit

[onyx jasper]

Cant they just have at least mentioned here what the set bonuses of this are lmao its so vague

[frail hinge]

What opener can I use

[carmine reef]

oh yeah collab is gacha only

[sand laurel]

why Luna and Wanshi and not Daren and Lamia

[fading kestrel]

you can click on the image for richelieu instead of the shop button to view it

[pine slate]

3s Lilith?

[ripe stag]

Need high rank Daren to use Daren here to get better score

Well it would have saved my Dark Shark

[carmine reef]

the taglines for each rot denote what you're doing the prev swap bro

[mental kite]

Hey curious about Dante and his ignition team since its now out in CN. I get that Nanami is needed for combustion stacks but how does Dante benefit from that?

[ripe stag]

Ye

[pine slate]

What a whel

[rough mica]

[mental kite]

Does he just do more damage if the enemy has combustion stacks?

[frail hinge]

Mark meaning ability to kick right

[carmine reef]

yes

if it's unclear, my 4 rot requires mark from prev swap

[onyx jasper]

Ahhh you mean right click? I see the sets now, thanks a bunch

[carmine reef]

it doesn't completely replace the other 4 rot

[fading kestrel]

[carmine reef]

it's meant to alternate with the other one

[raw swift]

Oh I hate the general chat 😭 I feel traumatized

[steady otter]

[fading kestrel]

i know what you did

[pine slate]

I use ish 4 rot right from the start

[steady otter]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-pen-ok-got-it-noted-gif-5849903637368710956

[raw swift]

I didn't do shii

[carmine reef]

[fading kestrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867718398208245761/1039168501895680020/unknown-4-3-1-2-1.gif

[raw swift]

Chat is just sensitive

Id rather be helpful here tbh

[pine slate]

Wtf is this

[frail hinge]

@carmine reef

[frail hinge]

Trying to learn ish 4 rot

[carmine reef]

yes

[frail hinge]

Using zex's special zaza

[onyx jasper]

That said, is there a way for you to get more simulation score? I've used like 400 serums worth constantly levelling up and I only have like 2k at most. Seeing it costs 205 exactly to get a single 5 star memory build, isnt that still too low?

[pine slate]

It's just a repeated action tho?

What's his special zaza

[carmine reef]

the repeated 4 rot is inefficient on kicks and qte

[frail hinge]

Oke
3 rot zex
4 rot kurai
4 rot zex
And from there on repeat 4 rot zex

Right?

[carmine reef]

and it leaves mark up at the end, so i used that as the basis for a different 4 rot

that has higher stacks on kicks and lines them up with ults so you can dv on both

[pine slate]

Send a vid

[fresh cairn]

Dante himself cannot trigger ignition fast, so Nanami right there is already a huge benefit btw, and yeah, Nanami also provide sherd, huge damage while Dante is on cooldown btw, so she does a lot

[carmine reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JBpNESjeaE

[mental kite]

ok cool, ty

[carmine reef]

it is very convoluted and not easy to follow so

that's why the spreadsheet exists

[fading kestrel]

first of all, why are you building 5* memories? you have access to 6*'s, no?
also, you dont need to worry about saving serum. there are only two places in the entire game where you spend it. Story and Simulated Battlefield
you can just throw 90% of your serum into getting more Simulation score

[carmine reef]

or rather, i devised it on the spreadsheet first

[sand laurel]

what should I use?

   ranks sig har cub
   32.33 011 111 000   |Stig  |Solace   |Echo
     222 110 111 10-   |Pyro  |Epitaph  |Empyrea
     233 110 111 011   |Shukra|Lucid    |Kaleido
 32.32.3 121 111 000   |CW    |Startrail|Feral
   23.13 132 111 110   |Lamia |Scire    |Daemonissa
     223 110 111 001   |Obliv |Parhelion|Kaleido

[frail hinge]

This isn't including opener right

[carmine reef]

and then tested it ingame to see if it would work afterward

[carmine reef]

no it is not, it's just the rot itself

[frail hinge]

Cause your opener says no kick for first ult

[carmine reef]

yes

ss3 could do that tho

[frail hinge]

Oke

[onyx jasper]

I see, but you can only level up for so long no? So at this rate and pacing you can only get like 1 6 star memory built per day? Idk if thats enough for a single day tbh

[carmine reef]

you can buy 6* mems from simulation shop

[fading kestrel]

hmmm? way more than that

[raw swift]

if you used your daily serum you'd have 1080 serum

idk why you only have 400

[frail hinge]

Do you know all the sources of daily serum

[chilly trail]

@carmine reef can u try this? Its 17s and can do consistently from 1st swap to last

1st swap
Ult1 - 🟡🔴🔴 - 2xdodge - ult2
🔵 Ult1 - dodge - hold dodge - 🔴🔴 2xdodge - ult2
Ult1 - dodge - hold dodge - 🔴🔴 2xdodge - ult2
Ult1 - dodge - hold dodge - 4xBA - 🔴 - 2xdodge - ult2

Next swap
Ult1 - dodge - hold dodge - 🟡🔴🔴 2xdodge - ult2
Ult1 - dodge - hold dodge - 🔴🔴 2xdodge - ult2
Ult1 - dodge - hold dodge - 🔴🔴 2xdodge - ult2
Ult1 - dodge - hold dodge - 4xBA - 🔴 - 2xdodge - ult2

[ripe stag]

Me fanr decide

[onyx jasper]

Huh? Daily serum 1080? Where am I supposed to get that much on a single day?!

[carmine reef]

i'm not ingame rn

[spice aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[sand laurel]

hmm?

[fading kestrel]

if you have useable items that give you serum instantly, use them
theres no reason to save them in this game. and you get like 8 of them every day, for free. thats not including extra serum from new-player events

[frank kindle]

anyone else stockpiling serum?

[chilly trail]

Then someone with ss

[spice aspen]

The bears in wz gonna continue to suffer

[young folio]

does nanami startrail run faster than the average frame? it feels like she does

[spice aspen]

Did you finish the 9k serum mission?

[raw swift]

Are you saving for Jetavie??

[frank kindle]

long time ago

[spice aspen]

Hmmm

[frank kindle]

more like for 3x patch in general

[spice aspen]

So who you saving for

Isn't Jetavie gonna be free tho

[trail stump]

What stacks should I go for SSS Dlt lilith? Dark wz

[chilly trail]

Legend ss3 ish got 5.5m close to my mald score eventho i just tested it just now

[fading kestrel]

yea, through the serum spending event

[stray siren]

Yellow here looks not necessary, since you still have gauge remaining from the previous rotation

I practically do that rotation, but with yellow from the second rotation

[spice aspen]

Ah make sense

[raw swift]

Yea but free SSS+ is bricked to serum consumption

[raw swift]

Idk how much serum tho

[spice aspen]

Don't tell me, 9k serum again, nvm

[carmine reef]

it's not necessary for the stacks but it's necessary for the ult

[fading kestrel]

6k i believe. atleast that was it for last time

[carmine reef]

but i agree something else should be placed there

[tight tangle]

Do we need to use BC to get this Lilith copy?

[carmine reef]

it looks similar to my 3 rot

[chilly trail]

I do yellow mostly for orb regen early but yah idk, if it work it work

[raw swift]

DONT it's a scam

[stray siren]

https://youtu.be/DGy5UaNPtMw?si=h4ylizpkFuegtkId

[tight tangle]

I asking

[pine slate]

So u do 3 bigger dmg kicks instead of 4 lower dmg?

[carmine reef]

regular 4 rot does 3 kicks too

[raw swift]

Yes it's paid

[pine slate]

Wat

[tight tangle]

[carmine reef]

what 4 rot are you doing

[tight tangle]

Thanks anyways

[pine slate]

4 kicks

[carmine reef]

4 kicks goes way over 18s

[unborn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-ass-gif-10233873985786373148

[raw swift]

None of these are worth 4000bc

[carmine reef]

but anyways yes my rot is optimized for the kicks

[raw swift]

Maybe the Lilith , but that's it

[carmine reef]

the downside is you need to have mark up already

and also that it's not intuitive to remember at all

[young folio]

does anyone know if frames have different running speeds

[pine slate]

U sure?

[carmine reef]

it just looks like that to you bc nanami has roller blades

[pine slate]

Well i havent counted the time i have on ish

[tight tangle]

I thought we can get everything's with the login tickets. Guess kuro is not that generous

[unborn hound]

u know im reading ish's kit right now and i can't for the life of me understand how her purple mark comes up

[carmine reef]

4 rot with 3 kick is exactly 18s, kick isn't timestopped so logically yeah

[young folio]

fair enough, sometimes you cant run though. does it depend on the stage?

[carmine reef]

dodge5

[unborn hound]

that's it?

[chilly trail]

5xdodge
2xred 2xdodge
4xba red 2xdodge

[raw swift]

Only the first banner, once everything is claimed, it becomes paid, yeah it's so stupid lol

[carmine reef]

oh if you just started i think there's like only walking or smth in the early story chapters

[whole falcon]

💔

The physical team cant get any worse

[carmine reef]

only dodge5, but red red puts you into the middle of dodge sequence

[whole falcon]

Just delete solacetune and scire from the game

[trail stump]

How do I summon the rank cheat sheet

[carmine reef]

that's why red red dodge dodge works