📨・meta-help

[stray siren]

A f2p player can easily be in Hero and get all the PPC rewards

[whole karma]

na

[lament yoke]

I see, have fun

[stray siren]

Super ez server

[whole karma]

...

[river nymph]

[analog cargo]

whats ur goal in the game

[stray siren]

Top 10 SS chars

[whole karma]

in not even lvl 20 yet

[lament yoke]

It depends on how you wanna play the game

[past thicket]

nguoi biet strim noi j cx dung

[raw swift]

This game is really hard to get into

[whole karma]

not sure if i even got time

[analog cargo]

dw,pgr takes literaly no time

[whole karma]

wdym hard to get into

[river nymph]

is that you?

[stray siren]

Ofc

[river nymph]

[raw swift]

It's super niche

[stray siren]

Dancing

[river nymph]

cutie

[raw swift]

It's not for most people

[rough mica]

co top play 7.27% acc ko

[prime elbow]

Is this really the only way to earn oblivion shards beside rnd? Damn 5 shards a week xd

[lament yoke]

~~Your account may take 6months -1yr to be considered average ~~

[whole karma]

wdym niche

[rough mica]

wysi

[past thicket]

WYSIT

[raw swift]

Most people won't enjoy the game cause the genres are so niche

[analog cargo]

if u wanna do ok in pgr,u need all teams,to get all teams u will take quite some time to get them

[ripe stag]

You need the character unlocked to buy shards from here to get them to SS rank

[analog cargo]

good thing is that acceleration makes it not that bad

but its still bad

[raw swift]

It's very competitive and the story isn't animated

[prime elbow]

Yes I alr have oblivion and I'm doing it alr

[ripe stag]

But the story is peak

[raw swift]

Although I do have to say the story is great

[river nymph]

yep, but you can get a lot of skulls from ult ppc if you do the outliers

[analog cargo]

its why i asked if u have a goal,cuz if u have a goal i can say if its going to be bad or not

[whole karma]

the story isnt got a voice

[raw swift]

The descriptions may be lengthy but it really helps me pain a picture in ny yead

[lament yoke]

~~And the community is toxic ~~

[stray siren]

PGR should never have survived the first year

[lilac wraith]

nah only few shards from ppc. rest are from gachas for luna .some units shards are avaliable on dorm shop and vouchers

[prime elbow]

Ult ppc? Outliers? I didn't understand a thing sorry

[ripe stag]

The goal is to turn our brain into mush and fingers into spaghetti

[lament yoke]

Outlier zone in ult ppc

[azure barn]

same

[river nymph]

what lvl do you unlock ult ppc?

[vale raft]

Watanabe: Epitaph <:s_rank:1287636749052412026><:tank:1290614106520555571><:fire_element:1290613867365273630>

Harmony Tank Set

Usage

Harmony Tank/Sub-DPS

Game Modes

High Difficulty, Pain Cage, Warzone, Clash Reflection, Norman

Description

Recommended for all ranks for Luna: Oblivion and subsequently Lucia: Pyroath when they release
Used for all future Void and Fire content
Requires DLT weapon resonance and Harmony.
Harmony Set (Requires Harmony on Signature 6 Weapon)*

Memories

4x Alphonse
2x Shakespeare
2x Shakespeare (Harmony)

Memory Resonances

Top Slot : 6x Red Orb
Bottom Slot: 6x Class Skill

[azure barn]

and besides, the descriptions given aren't that lengthy in the story

[zealous mantle]

is Glaciation already active in this mode?

[raw swift]

No

[azure barn]

nah

[analog cargo]

some skins have and some parts of it

[raw swift]

guys which reso should I change 1st????

[raw swift]

The bottom resonances need to be ult

[analog cargo]

but the whole game hasnt been voiced,so there isnt much a point in doing it now

[raw swift]

And for the top resonance she's fine with any atk

[ripe stag]

• Ult PPC - Ultimate Phantom Pain Cage - the highest difficulty of Paincage and the best
• Outlier - a list of old bosses which are replaced from the boss rooster in ult PPC, available in Outlier so that you can get the 580k achievement of those.

[lament yoke]

Try to get top atk and bottom signature move resos

[stray siren]

PPC = Phantom Pain Cage

Advanced PPC = normal PPC for newbies

Ultimate PPC = hard PPC for newbies

Outlier is a zone where there are discarded bosses for Ultimate PPC, these bosses give 75 skulls each if you defeat them

[river nymph]

at some point you will be able to pick ultimate ppc where you can fight bosses and get skulls for getting certain score achievements

[ripe stag]

Everything

[raw swift]

I mean, yeah

[lament yoke]

Ye

[river nymph]

ye

[raw swift]

which ones should I start with 1st cuz SERUM

[whole karma]

1 thing thats bugs me is the controls, it feels so weird

[raw swift]

Honestly I wouldn't think about it that hard

[ripe stag]

Ult reso on bottom

[raw swift]

ok

arigato hehe

[ripe stag]

Are you newbie

[river nymph]

make sure you ultima your other tanks and attackers before you start rolling for specific ones

[raw swift]

31 days

He has no ss

[analog cargo]

wdym

[ripe stag]

Oh so not newbie

[sharp estuary]

how much sig energy do you get from pinging orbs? literally cant find a single thing googling or checking grayravens so this is my last result

[raw swift]

how newbie I am: didn't know u could farm resonance

[raw swift]

half-newbie hehehe

[zealous mantle]

weird, i used to get 270k - 280k on ice.. did they change something with Onslaught Ice stage?

[river nymph]

this week is bricked

[lament yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[azure barn]

iirc this cycle is bugged

[river nymph]

we got the wrong lamia buffs

[woven haven]

345
as in
3 for 1
3+4 =7 for 2
3+4+5=12 for 3

[azure barn]

the weaknesses basically don't exist iirc

[ripe stag]

No need to care about how much ult energy you get if you play the fixed rotation of the characters cuz it guarantees the rot

[woven haven]

Every Basic Attack is 1 energy

[azure barn]

I especially felt it when I was doing Phys

[sharp estuary]

thank you thank you oh my god thank god finally my god yes

[azure barn]

my damage was basically not there at all

[lavish axle]

meower

[woven haven]

now now be nice they’re asking about the math

[lavish axle]

https://tenor.com/view/edgeworth-ayo-wtf-skullfiremoyai-gif-26062811

[whole karma]

the number key are the skills and it's either j k or mouse and the mouse is atk and it wont register unless ur mouse is in the atk circle

[woven haven]

just because you can brainlessly follow rot doesn’t mean others do the same

[lament yoke]

[river nymph]

man gph so alive with actual help

[lavish axle]

[woven haven]

[zealous mantle]

ohhhh.. no wonder it's taking 2x longer to kill Lamia with ice team

[raw swift]

It's like a teacher scolding their student

[river nymph]

🥹

[lavish axle]

Those who have rot forget they have rot

[analog cargo]

u can change the keys

[whole karma]

@lament yoke whats ur impression on pgr since ur 1 week in

[analog cargo]

[lament yoke]

[lavish axle]

let’s go gambling

[ripe stag]

Man
I'm not Aryabhatta
You are

[lament yoke]

It's very good game
I play it competitively only
(Compete with lower wz and ppc that is)

[whole karma]

nvm were not the same

[analog cargo]

this is how u hate the game in less than a year

[raw swift]

Can confirm

[whole karma]

y is that

[lament yoke]

Uh why?

[lavish axle]

You burnt out faster

[analog cargo]

anything competitive after some point u just start hating it

[river nymph]

real

[azure barn]

I found competing fun when I was only competing with myself

[lavish axle]

Personally I just do my dailies or maybe do some event or story

[river nymph]

[azure barn]

competing with others is the thing that actually burns you out

[whole karma]

is this kinda like the danmachi mobile game

[river nymph]

very true

[raw swift]

Imo i still enjoy it after being competitive for so long

[lament yoke]

K whel

[analog cargo]

no idea what hat is

[whole karma]

ur 7 weeks in

[raw swift]

???

[river nymph]

[lament yoke]

73

[azure barn]

It's just pretty fun to see you're getting better at something

[azure barn]

that's why I try to be optimal in this game hehe

[analog cargo]

i play since launch,ive gone trough alll stages of grief

[azure barn]

that's just me tho

[whole karma]

i meant 73

[raw swift]

That's like 1.5 years

[azure barn]

1 year and 5 months is already long enough tho y'know?

[lament yoke]

Being casual in this game might not be really optimal
You get many important currencies by competing only

[analog cargo]

being casual is the real enjoyment

[meager tartan]

Is there any major difference between these two banners beside their names? (Wishing and Early Summer Special banners)

[lament yoke]

If you don't get high enough score in ppc then you can't SS every new S rank consistently

[ruby minnow]

i just stopped/slacked malding after i was starting to get annoyed and now am picking it up again

[analog cargo]

iamgine skiping chars just to pull a skin and actualy feel good about it

[ripe stag]

Don't say competing it scares people

[raw swift]

Summer target has less people ig

[lament yoke]

[azure barn]

not really

the only important currency that is locked behind competitiveness is Skulls

everything else is fair game

[frozen creek]

norman

[ripe stag]

In PGR we use meta to clear gamemodes and get the optimal scores which otherwise is not possible without meta teams.

[frozen creek]

cr

[azure barn]

and yeah Norman too

[ripe stag]

Like ppc

[lament yoke]

Oki

[analog cargo]

the word meta scares people

[ripe stag]

Uh?

[livid lark]

the summer special targets are only for old units so basically useless banner

wishing target allows you to select 1 unit only and that's the only 100% pity unit you guarantee until the end of the banner

both are for whales

[analog cargo]

but this game is literaly designed on the idea that u pulled the last char released

[azure barn]

I dunno, I think Clash is not that crucial if you're a casual

[raw swift]

guys.. gonna wait for serum hehhee,

[whole karma]

it's only meta matters and u get majority of your pulls from doing ranked/competitve and old meta runs out in like 1 month about

[analog cargo]

its not like i can go against it

[ripe stag]

The only thing which isn't locked behind competitiveness is skulls, CR, Norman

Skulls are SCORE BASED

[analog cargo]

pgr chars have like 1-2years life span

[azure barn]

the main reward in Clash isn't needed if you're a casual so

[fresh gyro]

will the blue ticket selection with 40 pity ever refresh or is that purely a one time thing?

[ripe stag]

All 3 of them still need meta

[analog cargo]

u have good value on the chars u pull usualy

theres chars who survived for 3-4years

[shrewd cosmos]

Every anniversary

[analog cargo]

rly wish flare died

[ruby minnow]

will refresh on ishmael patch

[ripe stag]

The Selector counter will refresh next to next patch but the pity won't

[azure barn]

you still need to be optimal in order to get those scores tho

that's why I said it's locked behind competitiveness

[ripe stag]

Nanaknight

[fresh gyro]

gotcha, thanks!

[frozen creek]

casual that pulls on everything unnecessary isnt hitting 1.8m

[ripe stag]

Did you not see what I said

[analog cargo]

sooner

[shrewd cosmos]

It's not that hard with some meta characters

[analog cargo]

flare lasted 3years

[whole karma]

is there like different playstyles on different characters or

[frozen creek]

yes

[ripe stag]

Yea

Completely different

[frozen creek]

reading time

[analog cargo]

idk fully what u mean,but every char has their own moveset with diff weapon and pet

[azure barn]

I'm confused, what you said is basically my point

[dim basalt]

Which A rank cub is the best in general?

[ripe stag]

We said the same thing ywa

[azure barn]

With Sigs*

[ripe stag]

None except Lingya but that goes on your support unit

[whole karma]

so u gotta get weapon and pets too? how much currency do u need/get every patch

[analog cargo]

if u want to be more competitive u need ye

[lament yoke]

in the end it's just a fight against timer and you gotta spam rot

[analog cargo]

its acceleration rn u get how many patches are in it worth of bc

[frozen creek]

swipe 3x as much too

[whole karma]

does it work if u only stick with 1 character bc you like the playstyle?

[lament yoke]

No

[raw swift]

I'm 2220 serums deep into Luna's

[lament yoke]

You need all teams

[river nymph]

did you do the rest?

[analog cargo]

no,u need to play all teams

[river nymph]

of the people

[azure barn]

yeah I said that Skulls need some optimal play in order to be farmed properly, and you said basically the same thing about it

so I'm confused on why you replied to me as if I'm wrong

[raw swift]

well, SERUM

[analog cargo]

each content is designed for a team to be used

[river nymph]

[whole karma]

about how long does it take to get "all teams"

[analog cargo]

1year no acceleration

acceleration prob a lot less

its why i said it prob wont feel awful rn t ostart,cuz it wont take as long to get to a ok spot

[whole karma]

about how much pull currency can you get in about a week

[ripe stag]

Don't worry
It took me around 330 Da Vincis to get 6 class reso on Kaleido's set

That's like what? 7k-ish serum

[azure barn]

1210

then multiply it based on how many patches are integrated per update

that's not counting events however

[raw swift]

now I'll do everything for Luna's resonance, then I'll go to the others one by one

[analog cargo]

1210 is raw from dailys and weeklys

[whole karma]

how much do you need to get a character/pet and weapon?

[raw swift]

that's a lot of "Monalisa"s

[analog cargo]

but as a new player u get a lot more,cuz u have a lot of things to catch on

[river nymph]

did you at least Ultima awaken the rest?

just do that for the orbs

[azure barn]

15k for the character
7.5k for the Sig (you might offrate so this could go higher)
5k for the CUB

[raw swift]

NOPE, cuz Luna is my 1st character who I farm reso for

[analog cargo]

char is guarantee,cub is guarantee,sig isnt

[azure barn]

as an F2P, you're mostly only pulling for the character

[river nymph]

welp good luck i guess

[ripe stag]

If off-rate you need another 7.5k

[raw swift]

well, wata has 6 top and Wanshi has 4 bottom

[azure barn]

as F2P income doesn't allow you to go beyond it

[river nymph]

you juts need 12 rando resos for ultima

[whole karma]

how long does it each banner last?

[raw swift]

ehehehhee,

[ripe stag]

6 weeks - 5 weeks

[whole karma]

theres like almost not even enough time to get about everything even

[river nymph]

[analog cargo]

whole patch basicly

[bronze ledge]

should I spend all my serums here to exchange for 6* memory or is there an alternative way to obtain them

[azure barn]

well yeah you're only getting the character most of the time

[river nymph]

kyun what server are you on?

[ruby minnow]

yeah spend it there

[azure barn]

you gotta get lucky to even begin pulling Sigs

[lament yoke]

Eu iirc

[river nymph]

dang

[analog cargo]

sry to hear that,hope it gets better

[ruby minnow]

[analog cargo]

my condonlences

[whole karma]

so it's kinda similar to hi3's gacha system

[river nymph]

all the cuties are on eu

[raw swift]

but let some for story (story gives black cards - universal pull currency)

[azure barn]

sorta yeah

[ruby minnow]

[azure barn]

but at least the signature stigmatas here are farmable

so there's that I guess

[analog cargo]

what,the 2 people there?

[barren plank]

?

They are in Hi3 too

[whole karma]

@analog cargo how long have u played the game

[analog cargo]

since launch,so 3-4years

[azure barn]

Oh I didn't say enough

[analog cargo]

2-3k hours total

[river nymph]

holy

[azure barn]

Yeah the stigmatas in HI3 are farmable too, but it's really slow iirc

[barren plank]

Nr

[mild egret]

Oldge

[river nymph]

back in my day stigmatas were gacha only

[azure barn]

you need literal months to farm just one set iirc, actually excruciating

[opaque ridge]

ok boomer

[woeful fjord]

You can get grabbed during Qu ult? That happened to me and now I think her core passive doesn't appear

[barren plank]

Real

[azure barn]

Are there any changes towards this btw?

[true pivot]

the farmable stigmatas arent even that good tf

[mild egret]

Reason im quit 8 years ago lol

[azure barn]

LMAO exactly

[ruby minnow]

back in my day entropy was the goat phys wz

[whole karma]

back to your question, i dont really have a goal atm so idk where im headed

[mild egret]

Im still at highschool iirc that time

[azure barn]

the only farmable set that I knew was good, was Handel

[barren plank]

They made signature sitg sets for new characters farmable in P2 and they are kinda quick to get

[river nymph]

[analog cargo]

try it sometime and see what u enjoy about iit

[barren plank]

Oh ur talking ab G4s

Yea those take a long time

[analog cargo]

u guys are all new

[river nymph]

whaling in hi3 while i was in uni was a terrible idea

[turbid bridge]

It happens with some bosses that can ignore ults or animations to grab you, usually in modes like CR

[river nymph]

[analog cargo]

u have no idea what it was to open the chest and see orange

[azure barn]

are their signature sets flexible to multiple team comps?

[true pivot]

took me months for a g3 stigmata for himeko

[azure barn]

cuz I heard P2 characters have multiple roles

[barren plank]

Most character specific sht in existence like in PGR

[true pivot]

no

[raw swift]

sadly.. regrettably yes

[whole karma]

shes not even usable now

[woeful fjord]

Yeah I thought I have iframe during ult..

[true pivot]

they dont have multiple sets, they just use the same stigmata

[river nymph]

but i will say hi3 gameplay and endgame was peak

[azure barn]

Oh I mean, can a P2 character use only their signature set and still be used in every team comp they can be in?

[true pivot]

senti is kinda the exception

[whole karma]

whats this for?>

[true pivot]

yes

[azure barn]

character pulls

[barren plank]

No they are still mega weapon reliant

[azure barn]

you convert your BC into that

[true pivot]

oh yea, weap

[azure barn]

ah figures

[woeful fjord]

Construct pull/research

[azure barn]

is the sig and stigmatas still in one banner

[turbid bridge]

Normally you do, it’s just certain game modes that have bosses being able to ignore iframes for grabs

[woeful fjord]

I see

[true pivot]

absolutely

[azure barn]

damn 😔

so something like getting all stigs first before the weapon can still happen

which would hurt even more now that the stigs are actually farmable LMAOOOO

[true pivot]

you can get 3 dupes before you even get weapon

i never had an early pity

[azure barn]

that happened to me way too many times

[true pivot]

[azure barn]

The only complete set I had was Spina Astera

purely cuz I love Rita

but yeah shortly after, I quit

[barren plank]

Dont u just love it when

[river nymph]

[opaque ridge]

whats wrong with that

[barren plank]

Im trying to get 9s knight and this sht is so painful

[opaque ridge]

crimson weaver bro

[lament yoke]

[opaque ridge]

just weave harder for red orbs

[past thicket]

[whole karma]

can you turn this on?

[normal sierra]

gEn2 ChArS hAvE nO oRb RnG

[smoky swift]

When is next patch on cn server?

Like when

[normal sierra]

#📨・tech-support check the pins here, there should be one for this

[barren plank]

Henry I need ur help

This 9s strat is too painful i need emotional suport

[river nymph]

[limber yoke]

r3 ur weave

[barren plank]

Nanaknight is in 2 weeks bro

[normal sierra]

just press faster

[barren plank]

Both my fingers and rng are sht rn

[true pivot]

get the ultra r3 cleaver

[rose yew]

WuWa eos plan?

[true pivot]

[normal sierra]

hoyo game on my family friendly server

[true pivot]

all gachas are garbage anyways

[thorn creek]

do not offtopic u lazy bums

[true pivot]

[normal sierra]

yeah, tell em, fish lover!

[lament yoke]

Gachas garbage
Me a racoon

[thorn creek]

I appreciate u using the accurate terms

[normal sierra]

[true pivot]

i hope lamia becomes a qte bot from dark tank kamui

[thorn creek]

i hope u sir get a red light on every street on ur way home

[true pivot]

i hope ur pillow is warm on both sides

[thorn creek]

I hope u try to sneeze but can't

[normal sierra]

damn, you guys went all out

[thorn creek]

ur right u both have no hope in life

[true pivot]

dont we all?

[azure barn]

is it weird that I like it this way

[karmic glen]

How much rc to get a lcw yakuza coating?

[azure barn]

500 I think? Not sure

[opaque ridge]

too much

[karmic glen]

500?

[whole karma]

whihc should i choose?

[azure barn]

depends on who you're using currently

[ruby minnow]

yes 500 rc or 17.5k bc or a mux

[whole karma]

just started ...

[raw swift]

Choose whatever character you need it for

[azure barn]

use it for the S Rank

[raw swift]

He'll have alisa soon tho

[true pivot]

keep yourself safe

[azure barn]

true, but I don't see how the other weapons will be any more useful than it

[raw swift]

Lightning spark reduces def

[whole karma]

im trying to hanying

@raw swift whos alisa

[azure barn]

thanks

[raw swift]

Alisa Echo is a free unit from dorm don't worry you'll unlock it soon

[meager arch]

Alisa Echo, she's free from the dorm commission shop

[raw swift]

Though with your invest you'll be better off with solo...

Hi..which is better tank for nihil team...without Wanatabe....?

Wanshi

[true pivot]

[raw swift]

Solactune or Lucid....?

[azure barn]

Lucid

[meager arch]

Alisa is still nice for swapping in at the start and qte/heal buffs

[raw swift]

Solacetune can't do anything in Nihil

[azure barn]

Solacetune is a Phys unit, which is automatically not allowed in Nihil Comp

[normal sierra]

physical chars don't work in void teams

[raw swift]

Luna is a physicist racist ttowards physical units

Although my lucid is only S without signature......?

Yes

[azure barn]

(Oblivion only converts Elements, Phys is excluded)

[raw swift]

Hanying literally can't do anything in Nihil

It's not an exaggeration

Then....i should be using....2 Einsteinia rather than 2 gwenimixoax...?

2 what

[azure barn]

2 Guin only works on healers so yes ofc

[raw swift]

Oh

Yeah use eins

[raw swift]

Ice...gwenimixoax memoria..? A man with glasses...

[azure barn]

oh bruh

Chen Jiyuan

and yeah he can't use it if he's Sigless

[raw swift]

Sorry...

[azure barn]

so go Eins like he said

[azure barn]

can't blame you, names are pretty hard to remember here

[normal sierra]

that's why I still use zuwen for that one
no way I remember that new name

[raw swift]

I already placed the 4 Signatures on the top memoria slots....will it be alright if i place 2 Einsteinia at the bottom slots...?

[normal sierra]

yeah, that's fine, doesn't matter much anyway

just keep the same layout for all your sets to make changing mem sets easier if needed

[river nymph]

[raw swift]

Which is better support....for nihil team.....? Ayla or teddy....? I've been using Teddy this far.....

[river nymph]

ayla

[raw swift]

Are these memory sets alright....for nihil team....? She also doesn't have signature.....

[ripe stag]

Do you have Wanshi built ?

[livid lark]

[ripe stag]

Or Epitaph

[ripe stag]

What

[livid lark]

looks like 1 of those chinese mobile game ads

[ripe stag]

Yea

But wth is this

[ripe stag]

[raw swift]

This is wanshi....

S rank....without signature....

Honestly he might be better as a qte bot in which case you should use a suppirt

This is...my nihil team....condition....

Will it really be alright...?

[prime elbow]

When do I unlock outlier?

[raw swift]

When you unlock ultimate ppc

[raw swift]

You should experiment between ayla and teddy

[prime elbow]

And when is that?

[raw swift]

When you reach 1m in advanced ppc

[raw swift]

What kind...of final result...i should expect...? The total damage....in post-battle....?

I'm not 100% sure

Nihil Warzone?

[lament yoke]

What mode are you using it for? Warzone?

[raw swift]

Yes.....

And if so what rank there's
Elite
Leader
Hero
Legend

[raw swift]

Yes...

It's leader....

I'd expect between 1-2m

It's very vague but I don't have any experience with solo luna

[lament yoke]

Just get enough that you can promote

[river nymph]

use 4dv 2guin

[raw swift]

The other account's luna only dealt 1,48x,xxx with wanshi and teddy team members....luna also facilitated with SS cub..only reached stage 15 this far....

That's not too bad for a beginner

[opaque ridge]

wtf playing two accs

[raw swift]

They are just alternative....

[lament yoke]

[opaque ridge]

[prime elbow]

Does my current progress reset?

[opaque ridge]

monday

[raw swift]

I am not a beginner but i am pretty left behind.....i am here to confirm....if i am doing things wrong....these past years...

i mean beginner as in inexperienced

[raw swift]

Ah.....correct...

[lament yoke]

It's pretty good that you're in leader wz
Hopefully you can promote this week, good luck

[lavish axle]

meow

[lament yoke]

Meow

[raw swift]

I'm just an amateur....i don't really know the game's mechanics....

[lament yoke]

Thats okay, atleast you're trying to learn

[opaque ridge]

im an amateur too

someone teach me how to play plasma beam pls

[zenith thorn]

what's plasma beam

[dapper skiff]

Xeno

[opaque ridge]

time to do some zaza

[dapper skiff]

Have u tried wanshi on void yet?

[river nymph]

yeah ofc

[raw swift]

I've been watching everyone and found some complicated words....prorate and things....please guide me..

[opaque ridge]

wtf using wanshit in void, bozono

[river nymph]

says the amateur

[lament yoke]

Sure, ask it here

[river nymph]

wanshi smokes wata

[dapper skiff]

How do you rot him

Do you do 30 and 12 and never swap to amp?

[raw swift]

I don't remember the word.....but can you help me to recall the word.....?

[river nymph]

i legit just did the basic ice rot of 12 shot start and then 30 12

[dapper skiff]

Or u cut first rot to 24

[dapper skiff]

Ah...

[river nymph]

but nameless did some 3 ult rots on him

[dapper skiff]

Ig lingya is irrelevant now

[river nymph]

ye i dont swap to ayla at all

[dapper skiff]

[lament yoke]

Thats kinda hard
Where did you listen it or what was the context?

[burnt iris]

Unable to beat Norman affix stage (enemies immune to matrix). What should I do?

[opaque ridge]

immune to matrix?

[quiet lily]

clear the outer nodes first

[opaque ridge]

so they can move in matrix right?

u can still damage them

[river nymph]

problem?

[burnt iris]

That's what I'm doing

[opaque ridge]

[river nymph]

nanamech in 2025 is wild

[river nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-a-bugs-life-bruh-not-smiling-ants-not-smiling-gif-8815283262918161887

[quiet lily]

ohh i missunderstood, pump up more energy on team that u struggling then

[still moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565860804323311638/1353033152578457700/FuckthemF2Ps.gif

[quiet lily]

fk whel

[opaque ridge]

yeah i got a problem, how to play plasma beam

[river nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272185726699573361/1353214660622553269/capoo-bugcat.gif

[raw swift]

Rotation...and the other one...the words are usually used by everyone....

[river nymph]

https://youtu.be/xgstePgAEnc?si=STELqF9mSqp37GZN

watch and learn

[floral plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272185726699573361/1353214660622553269/capoo-bugcat.gif

[opaque ridge]

but i wanna watch ur video

[lament yoke]

Rotation? How do I explain it....

[vague nebula]

plasma beeeeeeaaaammmm

[river nymph]

ok lemme log on your account real quick

[opaque ridge]

im doing ppc rn

[livid lark]

where uncle

[river nymph]

stream it

[lament yoke]

@livid lark helppp

[lament yoke]

.

[opaque ridge]

nah

[river nymph]

how am i gonna backseat you then

[livid lark]

kinda hard to help when I have no context of what they need help with specifically

[lament yoke]

How do you define rotation

[livid lark]

just how you change characters within a battle

[opaque ridge]

oh u wanna beatseat

[river nymph]

[opaque ridge]

wait backseat my wut

[river nymph]

your dorm

[livid lark]

or how you play your units

[opaque ridge]

im not remalding wz

[river nymph]

did you at least get 15 mil fire

[opaque ridge]

lmao wut

1.1m

[river nymph]

[lament yoke]

Rotation : the sequence of skills/actions you perform on a unit to deal damage optimally (?)
And
To rotate between units for highest damage output possible and utilise other chars skills when the current one runs out of orbs by swapping off

@raw swift

Why does it feel like I made it more complicated

[river nymph]

guys come watch my goat

[lavish axle]

Wsp Wsp

[opaque ridge]

how to 9s

[river nymph]

[lavish axle]

[river nymph]

9s wtf

[opaque ridge]

i dont even know what the new timers are now

[hazy cypress]

Lol

[lavish axle]

I don’t even know what are you guys are talking about

[hazy cypress]

9s hard

[slim beacon]

where do i pull for coatings

[hazy cypress]

You only start attacking at 6 seconds

[hazy cypress]

Which coating

[lament yoke]

We're in cafe rn, join us to know it

[slim beacon]

like in general do i have to click on the event

[lavish axle]

Nah I will get rot

[hazy cypress]

Yep

[slim beacon]

thanks

[hazy cypress]

Not all coatings are pullable btw, some are to be bought directly

[lavish axle]

💀

This is why we have a bad rep

[lament yoke]

Who's get bad rep

[lavish axle]

You

[floral quiver]

hi i just started to play pgr. can someone tell me who to pick from the srank selector and which element should i focus on as an f2p?

[lament yoke]

Me? I don't think so

[lavish axle]

[lament yoke]

Focus on all elements

[lavish axle]

Anyway meow

[hazy cypress]

S rank selector is the very beginning is not good now

So pick anyone, tho i recommend pulse from it

[river nymph]

[lavish axle]

[floral quiver]

ok and which units should i invest on? is it ok to go all in on beginner units?

[hazy cypress]

And then when you unlock gacha, set your blue ticket selector on luna oblivion

[hazy cypress]

No

[opaque ridge]

[opaque ridge]

i give up, im just gonna take scores

[hazy cypress]

Dont even go all in on pulse

[river nymph]

[opaque ridge]

still got beta and osrs to play

[hazy cypress]

Its okay man, you are doing good

[floral quiver]

till what level should i level them?

[opaque ridge]

subpar scores

[river nymph]

[hazy cypress]

20-40 at max

When you unlock onlivion, go all in on her

[lavish axle]

F I bit my lip

[floral quiver]

can you tell me what 3 core units should i choose as a beginner and what element should i go for?

[river nymph]

its ok you have the jp debuff

[opaque ridge]

[hazy cypress]

There's nothing like that in this game

The game allows you to pull for every unit

[river nymph]

zamn tifa looking fine

[hazy cypress]

So you focus on pulling every new character

[opaque ridge]

why are people using glacio on ts

ts is dead

[lavish axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tifa-gif-20468720

[hazy cypress]

And build teams accordingly

[lament yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-boca-gif-15748935508381637755

[hazy cypress]

Rn like i said, just unlock gacha

[floral quiver]

i dont have any currency atm. is there any banner i should pull on?

[floral quiver]

i reached lvl 20 atm and unlocked gacha

[hazy cypress]

No, save for next patch

[opaque ridge]

omg i just realized

[lavish axle]

What you gonna do for 20 bucks

[hazy cypress]

Which starts on 2nd april

[opaque ridge]

people are using plasma beam on fire

wheres the balance

[floral quiver]

ty

[hazy cypress]

I would have recommended pulling on the banner rn but idt you will be able to get the unit atp unless you spend real world money

So dont pull

[zenith thorn]

just pull wtf

[hazy cypress]

[lament yoke]

The things I would do for 20 bucks..... Uhhhhhh :D

[zenith thorn]

the pity is still going to be carried

if you early,then you early

[hazy cypress]

Well ye there's that

[zenith thorn]

if not, the pity carries over

[lament yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/20-bucks-20-dollars-20-dollars-homie-gif-6034806756571250053

[hazy cypress]

@floral quiver

What cryo said

[lavish axle]

I would face reveal for 20 bucks

[floral quiver]

which unit should i pull on?

[lavish axle]

Hot mommies

[hazy cypress]

Hanying

The green girl

The guy is free

You can unlock him later

[zenith thorn]

hanying solacetune

[dapper skiff]

Dqmn

Shts tough

[past thicket]

dalao

[floral quiver]

hi i hav selected luna oblivion as s rank unit in blue banner, which A rank unit should i select?

[zenith thorn]

teddy,bridget

other A ranks are not that much of a priority

you could try to aim for supports and tanks A ranks construct

[true pivot]

wat inv

[zenith thorn]

ig
since A ranks attackers are pretty damn useless when S ranks is in the team

[woeful fjord]

What determine how much Creation Operatoryou earn?

Is it no. Of stage you won or time you spent

[dapper skiff]

Scam

[true pivot]

why are you playing phy over fire

[zenith thorn]

crash reflection?

[woeful fjord]

Yeah

[zenith thorn]

wtf is creation operators again
send a ss

[livid lark]

it's the stuff you get from clearing stages

so yes it's based on stage clears not time

[zenith thorn]

ok ngl i have never seen this

but based of desc,stage clears ye

[meager arch]

It's what you need 1500 of to get all the rewards

[zenith thorn]

ouh

[meager arch]

You get more depending on how many stages you clear in a row and I think later stages give more overall

[zenith thorn]

i just wantap

[woeful fjord]

I am missing bout 500 more, and I wasn't sure how much stage you need to do for that

[zenith thorn]

full clear

you need to full clear all 14 stages

[woeful fjord]

I couldn't clear last stage and got 1030 CO

[zenith thorn]

ya...
it's unfortunate but i think you have to call it quit

[meager arch]

For 500 operators I think you can clear up to 7 or 8 and get the ones you're missing

[woeful fjord]

Ah

[zenith thorn]

try following yuki ig

i have no idea how cr works ngl

[meager arch]

Maybe not 7 tbh because starting at 7 only gives me 255 for 1 - 6

It's probably closer to 9 or 10

[jolly agate]

Its jsut the more these thing you get the more rewards youll have right

[zenith thorn]

ouh interesting

[jolly agate]

Cant wait for cr to refresh again

[true pivot]

am i trippin or they do give x2 cr rewards during x2 patch

[zenith thorn]

yes

yes they do

they give x3 on x3 patch

[meager arch]

You need to clear 1 - 10 to get 500 operators

[woeful fjord]

Thanks

[ripe stag]

Fire got 3m with ease

[dapper skiff]

[dapper skiff]

Wanna see why?

[past thicket]

[zealous goblet]

SS3 Hanying or SS3 Wata?

[dapper skiff]

Neither

[dawn cloak]

Dont forget XXI also
Best budget tank there is
Helpful for new acct

[zealous goblet]

welp which character is the best at SS3? i need to use my check event thingy before ishmael reset

[dapper skiff]

Oh the standard thing?

[zealous goblet]

Yep, hanying gets added in 10 days to that banner

[dapper skiff]

You can get hanying from there yeh

Ss3 hanying is decent at least

[zealous goblet]

wish we could get some of those time gated NieR characters lol

[nova forum]

[sonic spear]

what's the rotation for echo and pianissimo?

[vague nebula]

whel

[lament yoke]

Not sure if this can help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh6UGyLuz4k

[zenith thorn]

that's a ppc
that can't help

ppc and wz are wildly different

[sonic spear]

rip i only have echo and pianissimo

[meager arch]

Would you solo Selena at that point

Or use Rosetta I guess?

But Rosetta definitely isn't rotating with Selena

[sonic spear]

pain

[sonic spear]

solo selena at s0 is painful though, specially for norman

[sonic spear]

dont have her on the cn server

[meager arch]

You might be able to borrow someone's high invest Selena to cover your phys team if you're not borrowing another character

[sonic spear]

for norman?

[meager arch]

Yeah you can borrow units in Norman

[sonic spear]

oh right, i forgot about that. tho doesn't that only work if other guild members also puts their charas out for support?

[meager arch]

I'm not actually sure if you can only borrow from guild members and friends, you might be able to borrow from random players?

[ripe stag]

SSS R2 alisa
Me no whel sir

[astral berry]

Is it wise to use United Achievement Points for Hypertune Crystal a? I don't use uniframes

[ripe stag]

Me only got S+ r3 units

3S R2 is too big

[sonic spear]

o
i only see trial charas on the selection screen, so maybe someone's not putting out their chara for support on my guild. as for friends, i have 0 on the cn server lol

[ripe stag]

Yea

[astral berry]

Thanksssss

[livid lark]

you shouldnt be using uniframes regardless

cos they ded alr

[astral berry]

I only have the free one u get on lvl 50

[livid lark]

can't be revived from the ded

benched forever

[astral berry]

And I sacrificed his weapon for shards

I don't even play simulated siege

[manic juniper]

So through the KR server, what does the spending rebate look like for next patch?

[dawn cloak]

Ask Kurai
@ kuraisan0

[dusky latch]

Is there a friend invite event?
I'm getting my friend to start pgr with me but if there's an invite event for some free stuff I wanna do that

Instead of them just downloading from app store

[turbid bridge]

Two spending events

1 with 1k RC spent
#📨・meta-help message

Another with 2k RC spent which is the one we are having every sync patch (fresh dawning)

[raw swift]

There isn't

[past thicket]

👉 👈

[zenith thorn]

does anyone have thr link for the survey

im too lazy to enter game

[dusky latch]

wth that's a first 😭💔

[turbid bridge]

It’s tied to UID now

[zenith thorn]

wtf

[turbid bridge]

So we can’t give you our links

[zenith thorn]

stupid ass game

[turbid bridge]

[raw swift]

Just download normally haha

[dusky latch]

BOO

[zenith thorn]

unique link

[dusky latch]

I saw online that there used to be one I wonder why they removed it

[zenith thorn]

invite event is pretty damn rare
like once a year

we had one like
3 months ago?

idr was busy back then

[turbid bridge]

Are you sure it wasn’t a returnee event?

[dusky latch]

What's even the strategy here like limit player growth why would they gatekeep invite events 😭

[zenith thorn]

its kuro

stuff they do is stupid anyway

[lavish axle]

meow

[lament yoke]

So server don't crash cuz of too many players

[zenith thorn]

broddy

[lament yoke]

[turbid bridge]

Brother I didn’t know PGR existed until I found it while scrolling App Store, Kuro is just that bad at advertising

[dusky latch]

I get 1000 wuwa ads a day man pgr is just unloved

[turbid bridge]

[dusky latch]

I like the combat so I'ma try it out

[lament yoke]

Crimson weave 👉 👈

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-running-in-circles-pepe-spinning-spinning-pepe-gif-10951607057960614021

[past thicket]

[lavish axle]

Crimson milk

[past thicket]

Jetavie Evil Liv

[lavish axle]

[lament yoke]

Milk wher

[lavish axle]

gyatt

[lament yoke]

[lavish axle]

That sunburn

[lament yoke]

Hot metal surface

[lavish axle]

meow

[glass bay]

why her milkers variable size

[past thicket]

its detachable

[lavish axle]

[stark magnet]

that glasses look so ass

the star fish tho

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-17691199049790448563

[lament yoke]

Bit of character development arc before beach episode was necessary

[distant timber]

Dmn it took me 1 min + just do clear the first stage with physical team

[pine slate]

its a fire boss

[stark magnet]

[distant timber]

Dont have fire team

[livid lark]

womp womp

[raw swift]

alteralao malding ice

[sharp igloo]

Am I doing this wrong

I did sequence pact before border pact

is border easier then sequence and by how much

[astral berry]

How many shards I need for weapon reso? And where can I buy them?

[pine slate]

need to do both anyways, doesnt matter

[sharp igloo]

kk but border pact is easier in totality

cause i found apart from the last sequence pact it was relatively easy

[zenith thorn]

i mean yea ig

sequence pact was added almosr 2y after border pact

[sharp igloo]

OOOO

[lavish axle]

Is this the right things?

[astral berry]

How does weapon harmony work? Do I just bind random memories or do I use the ones I have used as my memory set?

[opaque ridge]

no, but can u do the survey for me

[zenith thorn]

i can't read sun runes

[opaque ridge]

no wonder ur not a helper

useless cryo

[zenith thorn]

i would make a very good helper

make gph great again

[lament yoke]

Nanami?

[lavish axle]

What’s this

[lavish axle]

Yeah

[rose yew]

I’m out of orbs already?

[astral berry]

So I can just choose random memory right? Or does it have to be the same ones from my memory set?

[zenith thorn]

it just depends
just use the bot

[rose yew]

Is that the tw version of the game

[astral berry]

Kk imma try

[zenith thorn]

idk what you mean by random
for all i know,you could mean random as in

[lament yoke]

Any atk on top
And signature on bottom

Just use the bot next time

[zenith thorn]

using 2ein on hanying

[lavish axle]

Oki but what’s this

[zenith thorn]

or using 2guin on oblivion

[rose yew]

Starter orb Color

You can choose the Color of the 3 ping you want

Blue is best on nanaknight

[lament yoke]

Ultima/infinita (I forgot the difference) give you orbs at start.
The last upgrade can allow you to choose the colour of orb you want

And can you read jp?

[lavish axle]

Ye I can but idk which to pick

[astral berry]

Which bot is it for weapon harmony?

[lament yoke]

[zenith thorn]

/build frame:

[devout turret]

Help guys. Who tf equips Davinci in a no harmo Phys team 😭

[lavish axle]

So which to pick

[zenith thorn]

alisa will hold 2pc dv

no 4pc dv in a no harmo team

[astral berry]

Thanksss

[lament yoke]

Blud thinks my glb ass knows jp stuff
Hell Idek glb stuff

[devout turret]

4 signa 2 dav?

[zenith thorn]

yep

[lament yoke]

Just pick what LMC said

[lavish axle]

[slim fog]

Hello everyone. I'm a returning player. Started playing in 2021 and due to technical and personal circumstances stopped playing and forgot about the game. Really enjoyed it and if I'm not mistaken it was only mobile version available back then. Downloaded the game yesterday on PC and now feeling a bit puzzled and tangled. Watched a couple guides on youtube, but tbh didn't really help. Would there be any advices on what to do, what characters should I get, the meta and so on?

[zenith thorn]

a 4y gap is really big,so im going to just assume you ad a beginner instead if a returner

use this guide and faqs as a streamline
#📨・meta-help message

after reading,you can ping me jf u have any more questions

[lament yoke]

(Don't trust yt or reddit for info, just saying)

[lavish axle]

Meow

[true pivot]

wth

[rose yew]

Yes
Please don’t write an entire email essay in this channel, we can’t read

[lament yoke]

[zenith thorn]

please keep slurs to a minimum

[shadow field]

lamo

[mighty tusk]

*please keep slurring so this channel gets purged

[zenith thorn]

you do first

being banned from pgro might as well be a revelation

an escape

[zenith thorn]

still my wife

[raw swift]

read

[dapper skiff]

Bro @meager iris

Who asked

[meager iris]

Huh

[dapper skiff]

What happened to Alex

I just ask what u do with wanshi

[meager iris]

I mean the convo has been about wanshi for days let him share what he has this could help some people

[slim fog]

I read through most of the stuff, expect for character guides since I don't have stated ones. Main question is it worth starting a new account? Alas, I can't get such benefits as getting 2 S ranks for free. And account level doesn't matter as of now

[dapper skiff]

Little u know, he already sent 4000 character worth of paragraph about void alone in snazz server out of nowhere

[meager iris]

Can’t blame him too, figuring out wanshi with void is so complicated and you can do so many stuff

[dapper skiff]

Like is he bricked up rn talking about void or wut

[meager iris]

Ig his focus for this week

[still moat]

who

[zenith thorn]

considering you already uded your 40 pity beginners banner
you could try to reset ig

[terse badge]

i dont have any caracter harmonized who should i prioritize first? main dps, sub/tank or sup/amp

[zenith thorn]

alisa echo

first priority to harmo

after that just harmo your newer unit

[terse badge]

is there like a priority list? i think i have mats for 4-5 units

[zenith thorn]

ie wanshi,hanying,oblivion

[terse badge]

ah ok thank you very much

[zenith thorn]

just harmo your newer unit really

can also save for pyroath and startrail

[sly geyser]

slacking but still got it (damn I was so sleepy lmao)

k now back to sleep

[ripe stag]

Celica gave me this @livid lark

[sly geyser]

HAIYAAA, they've reached their lifespan limit lmao

[ripe stag]

Yep

[sly geyser]

just launching my globlul to be pissed again

I should've slept fr

[ripe stag]

Nah

[ripe stag]

Don't sleep

Wake up

[sly geyser]

bro I need it

otherwise I'll kick them right away

[manic juniper]

Thanks. Yeah, I'm just sticking to like 100 RC for the patch, like I planned

[carmine reef]

@woven haven i think ishmael actually will work for umbra team vera class passive says she's considered dark if there's umbra stacks

[livid lark]

but you would have to generate it first though

there isn't anywhere that says that she generates it via qte

[carmine reef]

well swapping to vera and generating it is probably the first thing you would do in umbra rot no?

[livid lark]

oh sorry i meant ishmael

[pine slate]

Does Ishmael switch forms mid fight?

[livid lark]

she would be a qte bot in that case

[pine slate]

Or more like, switch elements

[carmine reef]

well yeah ofc qte bot

[livid lark]

but the point of affix is to do a full team rotation

i have never seen a dual dps team rotation ever in all the vids I've seen on bili

[carmine reef]

wdym that's what most of the 12s swap cd teams are now

[livid lark]

im doubtful but we'll see

[pine slate]

Hm

Idk what ur cooking tbh

[carmine reef]

what's not to get

if you had high rank ish you could get -3s swap in umbra

[pine slate]

Explain

[carmine reef]

as opposed to using scire

[pine slate]

How

[livid lark]

and who's going to do that?

[carmine reef]

??? if you had the ish why wouldn't you

[livid lark]

only whales would get 3s0

[carmine reef]

i'm just saying it's possible

cause aether kept saying ish doesn't work in any affix teams

[pine slate]

Ish is gonna shred fire tho

[carmine reef]

bro

[carmine reef]

read

[mighty tusk]

doesn't ish copy wata if paired with vera?

[livid lark]

he's saying if vera had an umbra stack which turns her to dark apparently

[carmine reef]

vera is considered dark if she has an umbra stack

[pine slate]

So he's saying Ishmael switches elements mid fight

[livid lark]

oh alright so thats why you asked

[carmine reef]

why else would they include that in her class passive

if not for ish

[pine slate]

If Ishmael assumes dark, she's gonna have Daren stuff no?

[mighty tusk]

better start testing that

[livid lark]

yea i would test before getting to conclusions here

[carmine reef]

ofc testing is necessary, but like
what other reason would there be to put that there

[pine slate]

Let's say Ishmael did switch elements

Vera with umbra stacks assumes dark

So Ishmael becomes dark and loses -3s swap

[livid lark]

that is a good point

cos no dark tank exists with that -3s cd reduction

[carmine reef]

possible
but still not any worse than scire no?

[pine slate]

Unless somehow Ishmael gets dark shred along with -3s swap from fire

[livid lark]

which would be unlikely

[carmine reef]

scire certainly won't be onfielding regardless i think

even the shred field would not be worth i think

[livid lark]

so right now you would be running vera, cw and scire

replace scire with ishmael but don't onfield her 🤔

[carmine reef]

i don't think scire nor ish would be onfielded in umbra

[livid lark]

so you have 1 up-to-date amplifier
1 umbra dps that prob has shite dps
and then a qte bot

[ripe stag]

Ok need help

[livid lark]

yea lmao i'll just stick to ion and glacio until a real dark tank drops

[ripe stag]

Help me build atleast 3 to 4 teams scaling from most Copium/newbie/brick to normal fire team for Pyroath

[mighty tusk]

and we have no umbra content in cn beta

[ripe stag]

[carmine reef]

well since there's no umbra wz maybe that is the plan anyway

[ripe stag]

We don't have umbra content in cn beta so can't expect umbra rn

[livid lark]

i mean what else would you do with that umbra team?

[ripe stag]

How does Vera's umbra even work?

[carmine reef]

i think onfielding either would be brick in umbra since umbra's shtick is the enemy healing unless you stop it with umbra effect

[floral plover]

Can't make the affix go without it's tank

[carmine reef]

scire rot would be literal negative dps

[mighty tusk]

I think someone just mentioned to hold ult?

[livid lark]

hold ult 1 to get buff to generate umbra stacks and damage

that's it really

[floral plover]

CW solo

[ripe stag]

So enabler

[livid lark]

then you do the same rotations as fire for vera

[ripe stag]

And let me guess
The damage is trash in beta rn

[livid lark]

it isn't just that

[ripe stag]

What

[mighty tusk]

@livid lark just out of curiousity, have you seen someone in cn try umbra cw on ppc? trailblazer is a good test subject

[ripe stag]

[livid lark]

there are no up-to-date units that can help support vera for umbra right now

[livid lark]

no

[ripe stag]

CW ?

[livid lark]

i dont think people have even considered it yet

[ripe stag]

I mean it'll be like Ion

[livid lark]

you're putting that shite dps as part of umbra meta in today's warzone?

lol why would i waste my time with umbra if the team is the way it is right now

[ripe stag]

I mean we have any other option? No right? Then Copium that is

Just wanna check umbra performance for once

It'll suck

[livid lark]

well yea pretty sure the affix zones are going to be in the dual zone

[ripe stag]

Probably even worse than TS

[mighty tusk]

mixed zone always stuck with affix

[floral plover]

Are CW umbra numbers high like Midcia's?
Or average?

[livid lark]

dont know

[mighty tusk]

very low compared to glacio iirc

[ripe stag]

Expect nothing from CW

[carmine reef]

based on how umbra works, just having the affix is the most important part lmao

[floral plover]

Then it's bricked

[ripe stag]

It's barely anything compared to Pyroath in Ion
Glaciation is tad bit weaker than Ion