📨・meta-help

[slim cove]

Kurai!

Or anyone that has bought monthly passes before.

Thanks!

[shy jackal]

@solar pier

There's your answer

[ruby minnow]

due to sync we have two types of monthly A:

• Pass form in the pass overview: these you can stack up to 60 days but it will stay with 100 bc per day
• Pack form, in the pack overview: these you can buy per patch and these will overlap as well, e.g. u buy 2 of the packs, u will get 200 bc each day

[solar pier]

Naruhudo

[wheat fractal]

Hey guys, Will alpha cw be free?

[ruby minnow]

in 2 patches yes

[worthy gulch]

wish we could get multiples of the MPass in Supply pack, its nice that u can overlap it between patches but... imagine if we could buy 4 of them AND they stack, would be op

[ruby minnow]

wut

you mean instead of extending by 30 days? stacking it?

[worthy gulch]

well that too but

imagine if we could buy 4 of these

and all activate at the same time

would be so op

[ruby minnow]

just ask kuro for 4x sync

[worthy gulch]

the remaining vets and whels would all quit prob lol

[crystal breach]

what weapons can u get from this?

[ruby minnow]

any 6*

the pool updates each patch

[crystal breach]

so I can get even the ones on banner rn?

[worthy gulch]

i got wanshis sig with that!

[crystal breach]

damnnn thats so OP

[ruby minnow]

well u only get 2 of them from rc milestones

no other way to get them

[crystal breach]

ik but still thats so good

[livid lark]

cos snazz and empress said +15 ATK top was better than basic atk

[crystal breach]

i was afraid it would only be like old weapons lol

[ruby minnow]

ek backreadlao

[slim cove]

Oh— so I'd have to wait for 60 days to get all the rewards?

[livid lark]

i already put a disclaimer that the build was subject to change

[worthy gulch]

and the first is 328 RC and then second one is fkin 15,000 RC lmao

[livid lark]

i saw the notification on my phone lol

[ruby minnow]

oh u got pinged ic

[livid lark]

yea

[crystal breach]

will this continue giving me bc even after the buy period is over?

[ruby minnow]

yes

it will give until 30 days expire

same goes for monthly passes

[crystal breach]

and it stacks with MPA right?

[ruby minnow]

can buy them last day w/e

yes

[crystal breach]

[worthy gulch]

Kirai do you know if UPPC will be unlocked immediately after the intermediate one?

or do i gotta do the Advanced one for this week first

[turbid bridge]

Nah you gotta do 1m points in advanced for a week first before ultimate is unlocked next reset

[worthy gulch]

skull debt continues

[ruby minnow]

need to hit 1m on advanced first ye

but u prob can instantly do that so atleast thats smth

[worthy gulch]

yeah atleast theres that i guess,

[unique flare]

Resonance help

[worthy gulch]

cant wait to farm the skulls from the past bosses from UPPC, gonna help so much

[river nymph]

[zenith thorn]

signature/ultimate resonances
tempest is really sh*t rn with no other usage

[pine jay]

should I get liv emp to ss?

[river nymph]

[zenith thorn]

don't
save your skulls/vouchers for newer unit

use vouchers for sss wanshi
use skulls for ss pyroath (soon so save your skulls(

[pine jay]

oooo

bet

[worthy gulch]

u reckon i should save the skulls for Pyro too? i was planning on getting Hany from S5 to SS first, then save the rest for Pyro

[zenith thorn]

you should have some leeway
so use skulls to ss hanying

then full save for ss pyro

[ruby minnow]

get hany to SS
you'll probably get enough skulls for pyro with the old UPPC bosses

[zenith thorn]

for nanami

uhhhh
idk may god bless you?

[worthy gulch]

Wata aint gonna see the light of SS for a long time it seems lmao, so sad

[ruby minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/ishmael-ishmael-pgr-pgr-ishmael-pgr-punishing-gray-raven-gif-12759752163771245258

god?

[zenith thorn]

ball

[shy jackal]

Ball crunch

[worthy gulch]

im counting on the spending event and such to cover nanamin

[zenith thorn]

fck whels

[ruby minnow]

[zenith thorn]

why is audio recording still a thing

[worthy gulch]

bro how else am i supposed to catch up, its like a never ending pit you have to crawl out of for us

[zenith thorn]

well

it is what it is

it was even more severe before

[ruby minnow]

1 relevant S unit for 3 months

[zenith thorn]

tho the quantity of S ranks has jacked up significantly

which is sh*t
and casul keep glazing kuro because of this :lmaocry:

[ruby minnow]

[worthy gulch]

they better not squeeze in another tripple patch

[ruby minnow]

quadruple it is

[summer topaz]

they probably will

it looks like they trying to have all servers catch up at the same time

[worthy gulch]

2 free S rank and ill be ok with that

[wispy robin]

they wouldn't put triple patches for jp for 0 reason then if that was a case🐴

[zenith thorn]

:lmao:

[wispy robin]

so far their logic seems to be a rank = triple patch

[summer topaz]

tw is still behind which is odd they would be all caught up by now

since they werent far behind cn to begin with

[wispy robin]

tw hasn't started synchro at all
jp will unironically be first to catch up

[ruby minnow]

TW stayed behind kind of on purpose it seemed

and ye now no synchro still

should synchro next patch else jp would be ahead of TW

[wispy robin]

yea they didn't
lilith single patch

[deft apex]

Or just 3-2-3 cycle

[ruby minnow]

coincidentally also A rank pattern

[deft apex]

[ruby minnow]

atleast for goobla

[deft apex]

All according to plans

[wispy robin]

i just hope next jp patch is triple so we finally done with all this bs

[ruby minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1232051518316740628.gif?v=1

[deft apex]

[prime sigil]

how many tickets is karen skin?

[alpine lagoon]

yo chat i have the 500 warzone thingys and i was thinking of which memory to get first for my luna oblivion, the recommended advance set says cottie and cleopatra

[turbid bridge]

Use event farming stage currency for that, Warzone points are used to buy memory USBs

[prime sigil]

dont use ur wz tingys for mems

[alpine lagoon]

okay

[prime sigil]

stam pots are abundant, so uuse event coins for mems

[alpine lagoon]

so what should i save wz tingys for

6 star resonance picker

[prime sigil]

usb lookin thing as ken mentioned

[alpine lagoon]

this thing?

[turbid bridge]

Yeap

[alpine lagoon]

k tysm

[turbid bridge]

10k BC or 328 RC

[prime sigil]

doh

[summer topaz]

this what you should only use your wz currency for the first few are discounted stop when it reaches 2000

[prime sigil]

my finger itches for the karen skin

[alpine lagoon]

kk thx what is the use of it tho

[prime sigil]

but 328 rc seems alot

[summer topaz]

select memory reso instead of being rng through other ways

[alpine lagoon]

is the event currency used in the event shop? cuz my event shop aint unlocked yet

[turbid bridge]

No lmao

[alpine lagoon]

oh ;-;

[turbid bridge]

#📨・meta-help message

This one

[alpine lagoon]

??

[prime sigil]

o dam u not level 40?

[alpine lagoon]

not yet

[turbid bridge]

[alpine lagoon]

i started playing yesterday

[prime sigil]

grind to 40 and then do eventr

[deft apex]

We might be getting our next patch schedule in like 3-4 days

[alpine lagoon]

kk

[turbid bridge]

[prime sigil]

u wot m8?

[ornate coral]

finally lv 40

[prime sigil]

to bc or to rc for karen? idk

[compact yoke]

This is what I do everytime in wz since I started playing pgr

[turbid bridge]

Depends what packs you usually spend on, if only monthly pass and BPs then 10k BC more worth

[dire inlet]

( exp 0(-110) Does this mean I need more exp pods ? I’m confused

[worthy gulch]

60k wz currency is WILD

[turbid bridge]

But then you risk your pull currency

[turbid bridge]

Memory enhancers, tap the “select material”

Can buy from even stage shop

[summer topaz]

iv been in hero then hoping back and forth hero/legend for a long time so it stockpiles

[prime sigil]

i usuallly only buy monthly lol. havent bought anything this patch

[worthy gulch]

@alpine lagoon @ornate coral do you guys have an instructor ?

[alpine lagoon]

yea

[ornate coral]

yessir

[prime sigil]

aw man instructor ptsd flashbacks

[smoky spire]

Should I swap the infinitas guys or should I keep it

[turbid bridge]

Doesn’t matter

But go blue for faster core activation

[broken elk]

Switch to blue tbh

[worthy gulch]

im living thru it, mama mia

[dire inlet]

Okay I’ll check rn

[smoky spire]

Thanks chief

[crystal breach]

so Selena patch might be 3x too bcs of Jetavie

[wispy robin]

99.9% it will be

[turbid bridge]

Selena Jetavie Vera

[compact yoke]

Well echo will have her leap right

[worthy gulch]

shes out to drain us, both figurtively and literally

[livid lark]

selena patch

[summer topaz]

ig casuals were right when they wanted jetavie to be s rank

[compact yoke]

I know

[livid lark]

but it's only for glaciation really

[ornate coral]

what do I do with the fragrant whispers?

[compact yoke]

Well I'll still use Ayla for glaciation

[turbid bridge]

Give to constructs, tap on them on the main page and select interact to gift

[distant wren]

btw ken
Is your ice team full 3s0? Or higher?

[livid lark]

wont work

[ruby minnow]

ima set Guangzhou on fire if they do that

[turbid bridge]

33.13

[livid lark]

or you can't onfield ayla

[compact yoke]

Oh so she's the new one interesting

[prime sigil]

hell yea got the skin early

[prime rose]

the best way to get the recommended memory resonances is by using duplicate memories, right? or using the mats is better?

[crystal breach]

imma just pray that Vera becomes free or smth then

[prime sigil]

screw ur usb

[livid lark]

glaciation =/= ice in terms of damage type

[dire inlet]

The simulation shop right ?

[turbid bridge]

Yep

[distant wren]

Ah aight, so not sure if the ice zone just ended could've gotten 7.5 with just 3s0 wanshi

[wispy robin]

surely she will be free right after save up patch

[dire inlet]

Ty🦕

[ornate coral]

thanks

[compact yoke]

Who knows

[prime sigil]

is there no background for idol karen?

[ruby minnow]

no

[turbid bridge]

Both work, but you mainly use memory USBs for difficult reso like signature or class

[prime sigil]

dam i got skemmed

[ruby minnow]

backgrounds only on 500rc / 17.5k bc skins

[deft apex]

Also for ur bc vs rc question, rc is always more efficient

[buoyant hornet]

They know damn well vera is too popular they're gonna make her a cash cow

[crystal breach]

[deft apex]

No cash cow will dethrone cw

Only a new alpha frame

[distant wren]

Sorry man

[crystal breach]

true tbh

[compact yoke]

I mean she's s so it's not going to be free

[prime rose]

gotchu, thanks

[buoyant hornet]

That's not how it works

[livid lark]

wanshi is s and free

[compact yoke]

Well for some not all

[livid lark]

kaleido and alisa are s and free

[crystal breach]

?

[turbid bridge]

Would be very difficult at least, with 3.1 Wanhsi I had pretty good wave chaining but for 3.0 will struggle

[livid lark]

lilith is s and going to be free

[broken elk]

Yayyy

[buoyant hornet]

Wanshi, lilith, Alisa, kaleido

[compact yoke]

Ayla is Kaleido last time I checked

[buoyant hornet]

And KINDA capriccio but we pretend we don't see that

[livid lark]

oh lol i meant alisa

[ruby minnow]

he swapped one of them w alisa

[zenith thorn]

doesn't change the fact that they are free

[broken elk]

Who

[prime sigil]

500 rc skins

[compact yoke]

That's why I said some not all of them

[buoyant hornet]

Idk what you're talking about who's capriccio

[zenith thorn]

your point for "she's s so she's not going to be free" just falls apart

when there's 5 definite proof already

[buoyant hornet]

I mean yeah but point is, her being free is TECHNICALLY not impossible

[wispy robin]

damn can't insta ult tifa with r0 feral

[buoyant hornet]

Same goes for any of the S ranks after her lol

[zenith thorn]

adding "well some" doesn't help it either

[distant wren]

Yea i saw a person with less than 7.2 and that was the highest score for full 3s0 outside the ones privating their accs

[crystal breach]

wait is the UI different in CN?

[buoyant hornet]

Can't wait to suffer with 5* nanami 🙏🙏🙏

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah got changed

[zenith thorn]

wtf pwowq invest

[normal sierra]

what's the rota for 15s hell?
doubt that I have the dmg for it, but me curious

[crystal breach]

emphasis on "technically"

[crystal breach]

when

[zenith thorn]

ush

[buoyant hornet]

Sigh....5* pyrooath until later in the patch too

[zenith thorn]

ish

[distant wren]

Will have to basic more and have downtime in sone rot ig
Considering normally her complete rot is already very smooth

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah anything is better than my current lightning team so it's gonna be a big score improvement either way tbh

[turbid bridge]

Ye QQQ in my bracket had 7.2m, I’m sure that’s very close to the max already with full SSS

[buoyant hornet]

But I'm wondering if I should get her cub to compensate

[prime sigil]

at least i got some tax return for spending rc

[vale raft]

An Ji <:s_rank:1287636749052412026><:lightning_element:1287636531321765959>

Pull, Damage

**Passive Skills**

Shielded Sortie

An Ji's Active Skill deals 70% more DMG.

Fluorescent Dissolution

Increases the carrier's ATK by 100.

Piercing Bite

Each time An Ji casts an Active Skill, increases the carrier's Extra DMG Bonus by 5% for 8s. Duration resets each time it is triggered.

Cosmic Fissure

Increases the carrier's Lightning DMG by 10%. When a Blaze Emblem or Cinder Emblem is held, increases Fire DMG by 10%.

Phosphorescent Twister

When Nanami: Startrail casts Starfall Collapse or an enhanced Burning Breakaway with An Ji equipped, summons An Ji to perform a combined attack that deals 1250% Lightning DMG 2 times. Base DMG of lightstreams, Heavenly Star Piercer, and Gigabyte Star Sunder increases by 60%.

[wispy robin]

ok 13sec is limit for me

[livid lark]

i love how no sig is instantly associated with pwowq

[distant wren]

Yea even 5* nanami would most likely never be able to go below 2m in wz i feel

[distant wren]

He broke husband

[compact yoke]

I mean sig is important for every new character

[buoyant hornet]

@wispy robin iirc you tested sigless and cubless+sigless nanami? Did cubless+sigless have to swap with ss3 cw or?

[livid lark]

has to save to give dowry to his wife

middle class husband

[zenith thorn]

das crazyyy

[buoyant hornet]

Ig I'll at least prioritize her cub since idk when/if I'll get her sig

I'll pull pyro sig later during the patch but idk about nanami yet

[wispy robin]

cub with 5* was still little better than swap
no cub def swap better
but my cw is r0, r1 maybe swap will be still batter

[buoyant hornet]

Especially since ishmael is right after

[distant wren]

Yea that's fair, considering if u have a few s rank cubs you can always save up ore for scrap strat

[wispy robin]

also if it's cw weather, you def wanna swap because it's pure orb rng hell without dlt

[buoyant hornet]

Ye that's what I'm planning actually, already got enough ores for a scrap

[turbid bridge]

Delete CW and her weather pls

[buoyant hornet]

Pls tell me at least that cw leap is next patch (I forgor)

[turbid bridge]

Good thing it’s been feral weather for global so far

[wispy robin]

it's still pure cancer even with dlt

[buoyant hornet]

I need the cute qol on that leap

[turbid bridge]

It is for us yea

[buoyant hornet]

and ult 2 doing a bit more dmg is always welcome

[wispy robin]

leap unironically makes cw feel so smooth

it's night and day

[ornate coral]

is bridget Ardeo any good?

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah after reading through it, it basically eliminates all her inconsistencies

[crystal breach]

whats dlt?

[buoyant hornet]

Dead line timing, one of the weapon resonances you can use on 6* weapons

[mighty tusk]

[buoyant hornet]

Aka signature weapons aka sigs

[crystal breach]

ooh ok

[ornate coral]

anyone?

[distant wren]

I mean yeah, being able to ping blue in kodachi after ult2 and rearrange orb are a lot better
Shame she's still left behind but it is what it is lol

[wispy robin]

the fast hold dodge charge also feels good to use

[crystal breach]

btw is there a guide for weapon resonances? like what to prioritize, who needs it the most, etc

[buoyant hornet]

I think her leap was a GENUINE attempt at catching her up but it wasn't quite enough

[wispy robin]

also being able to do single matrix pings is huge for cw weather

[buoyant hornet]

I think they really intended for her to be swapping with nanami

Like balter+hanying swap

[crystal breach]

shes a good fire tank but nothing crazy since shes A rank

correct me if im wrong

[distant wren]

Well they only have 3s invest in mind tho

[buoyant hornet]

Depends on the character first and foremost

So ask about specifics and we can answer

[buoyant hornet]

Painge

[livid lark]

gives orbs over time

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah

[crystal breach]

for Luna oblivon for example?

[wispy robin]

nanami kit is very swap oriented, she just happens to be good at solo as well

[buoyant hornet]

She 100% wants dlt

[livid lark]

cope fire and burn tank

[distant wren]

A shame that pgr locks qol features in higher ranks as well and not just dmg

[livid lark]

well yea pay up

[crystal breach]

more than wanshi and hanying right? those are the other 2 on my acc rn

[livid lark]

[buoyant hornet]

Luna's orb economy is genuinely bad without it even with the broken passive on her sig

[ornate coral]

oh okay thanks

[turbid bridge]

They tryna gatekeep low ranks from whel scores

Racist game fr

[livid lark]

hanying needs as much as if not more than luna

[buoyant hornet]

Wanshi doesn't run dlt unless he's solo, hanying wants dlt for a faster/smoother rotation but it technically isn't needed to function

[distant wren]

Brb gonna rob a bank

[livid lark]

blue archive

[buoyant hornet]

Idk tbh I think luna dlt > hanying

[livid lark]

hmm

[buoyant hornet]

Hanying has the funny refund mechanics

[crystal breach]

can u elaborate on that, I dont see why thats the case

[buoyant hornet]

Luna has basic attack suffering

[buoyant hornet]

It's only really the case in meta/ideal rotations btw

[wispy robin]

tfw no dlt luna still feels unplayable even in swap with ish

[mighty tusk]

Cashing in on sss vera?

[buoyant hornet]

Don't expect what we say here to be necessary in casual play

[distant wren]

Yeah i agree as well
Hanying BA+stab feels way less worse

[distant wren]

🐶

[crystal breach]

ik, im not asking for casual advice regardless

[lament yoke]

[livid lark]

how do you play hanying firstly?

[mighty tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jiminoreo-gif-4884042028109983039

[buoyant hornet]

Lmfao she gorges on orbs like the rent is due

[livid lark]

are you using her in endgame or no?

[crystal breach]

yes

[livid lark]

ok so what rotation do you do?

[barren plank]

Raw 30 drone ult on Wanshi > Qu dodge ult
Needs SSS Wanshi and Kaleido damage is pretty tight

[crystal breach]

two yellow 3-pings>harmony>ult>3-ping until bar is full>spam ult to spend the entire bar>charged ult

[turbid bridge]

2 yellow

[crystal breach]

though shes kinda weak rn since no echo

[livid lark]

and how many rotations do you do when hanying is on the field

also your rotation is incorrect btw

[crystal breach]

rn I just run her onfield all the time since Im new and dont have anyone worth swapping to

[buoyant hornet]

See with hanying's ideal rotation at ss0 you'll want dlt (and lingya with its blue orb passive on alisa) so you don't have to waste time having to use basic attacks and her stab move to generate orbs for a double rotation

You just do the rotations right and you'll have enough orbs

[livid lark]

hmm alright fair enough

in an ideal swap meta team she can rotate twice before swapping off

[buoyant hornet]

BARELY, and that's with dlt

[turbid bridge]

Always do 6 reds then

[crystal breach]

whats the correct rotation then

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah in that case you can run her solo with cottie

[crystal breach]

but how am I gonna get echo's qte for the harm orb dmg?

[buoyant hornet]

2 yellow is unfortunately a very dysfunctional combination for her

[turbid bridge]

Ult1 activates it

[crystal breach]

why

[buoyant hornet]

You'll miss out on a bit of dmg for the rotation to be functional

[crystal breach]

shes not ss0 yet

[buoyant hornet]

It causes a major issue in her ult 2 energy generation

[livid lark]

assuming you do have ss0 + sig + dlt and are playing swap physical

first rotation
swap in -> 3r -> 1y -> green orb -> ult 1 -> 1 blue 3p -> 3 tap ults -> tap + hold ult ->

second
matrix white + 5r -> green orb -> ult 1 -> 4 tap ults -> tap + hold ult -> swap off

[turbid bridge]

S5 at least?

[wispy robin]

man ss3 lucia feels sooo much better in ppc
ballard hell took me like 10 sec longer with ss0

[buoyant hornet]

He's solo

[crystal breach]

by next ppc rotation I should have it

[buoyant hornet]

I hope someone has deciphered hanying solo rot because I myself am curious

[livid lark]

i put disclaimer at the top pls read

[buoyant hornet]

I don't read I'm learning to be a real globlul player

[lament yoke]

Kurai?

[distant wren]

Again
Tsubasa yo habatake

[buoyant hornet]

Ek expecting me to READ

[crystal breach]

whats matrix white?

[turbid bridge]

6 red fully charges the pipa gauge while 2 yellow only charges halfway, meaning you have to consume blue orbs to get enough energy to ult while red doesn’t need to use blue orbs

[buoyant hornet]

#illiteracy

[waxen kindle]

Echo rose

[crystal breach]

ooooh ok

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah but I have no idea how he actually makes it work

[turbid bridge]

If you want to activate echo QTE without S5 rank, at least do 3 red 1 yellow so it charges the pipa gauge 3/4 of the way

Instead of halfway only

[lament yoke]

~~You have to subscribe to his patreon for that ~~

[livid lark]

it's just the white orb with a matrix circle around it
it's different than normal 3 pings because it gives more signature energy and returns 2 orbs

[crystal breach]

so I would ping a red orb anyways?

[livid lark]

yes

but the matrix makes a difference

[buoyant hornet]

Ek can you make pills that instantly make you know the kit descriptions

[lament yoke]

[livid lark]

sorry but me not genius enough for that

[crystal breach]

I also have her sig btw

[livid lark]

me lao but not that lao

[crystal breach]

forgot to mention that'

[waxen kindle]

He'd need to test those on mice first

[buoyant hornet]

I'm a pharmacist (almost) I'll help with the pill part

[distant wren]

No
Just read

[waxen kindle]

Mice would learn the kit b4 you

[buoyant hornet]

I've had to do way too much reading in this internship

I refuse to read a single word in PGR for a month

[wispy robin]

literally free

[ornate coral]

anyone decent here?

[livid lark]

ss0 + sigless?

[buoyant hornet]

It's ok we'll test on roland

[waxen kindle]

Rozen cuz she's hot

[livid lark]

hypnos i guess?

[livid lark]

nah teddy better

teddy is always better than them

[buoyant hornet]

Uh who do you have

[ornate coral]

i have teddy

[waxen kindle]

Does he have teddy tho

[crystal breach]

doesnt really matter tbh

[livid lark]

yea get hypnos

[ornate coral]

ok

[livid lark]

and least wanshi can heal for ice

but then again

kaleido LMAO

[lament yoke]

Ayla?

[waxen kindle]

Double wanshi team lesgoo

[livid lark]

honestly it's kinda fine as well

[turbid bridge]

Still far until he gets her

[livid lark]

in case they need alisa in another team

[turbid bridge]

Wanshi and echo priority

[lament yoke]

I see

[buoyant hornet]

Liv Lulx maybe?

[livid lark]

eew hell no

[lament yoke]

Lux not usable with Nanami?

[livid lark]

lux's small ahh summoning circle

[lament yoke]

[turbid bridge]

With her non-timestopped and small circle buff?

[waxen kindle]

"Worst she can say is no"

[buoyant hornet]

Damn double cuteness I fear

[buoyant hornet]

That's why I said maybe because eww

[waxen kindle]

More like double the sleep schedule

[turbid bridge]

Looking back it’s insane how y’all managed to cope with gen1 buffs

[crystal breach]

so at the end of the day do I go for Luna or Hanying dlt first?

[buoyant hornet]

ME WHEN?

[livid lark]

when nanaknight comes out she gonna be gremlin grasshopper

[buoyant hornet]

I NEED SLEEP I NEED THIS INTERNSHIP TO END

[livid lark]

no way that lux buff will work with her

[waxen kindle]

Youre in a health related field sooo never

[turbid bridge]

Luna first

[buoyant hornet]

Hang on me there's only 4 days left

[livid lark]

prob luna cos it's not like you can rotate with hanying atm anyway

[turbid bridge]

Hanying at least can generate orbs easily in ult form

[buoyant hornet]

MANNNN

[turbid bridge]

Luna…

[buoyant hornet]

😭😭😭

[distant wren]

"Just skip feral man"

Trip down memory lane

[livid lark]

but she free

[waxen kindle]

Double the feral and give her to me

[livid lark]

i have a copypasta on that

[turbid bridge]

When she first came out ye

[buoyant hornet]

I did accidentally

[lament yoke]

No feral is mine

[turbid bridge]

I just joined during feral patch and all I saw on Reddit was feral isn’t important

[autumn belfry]

Why is cloud mine deep hive sooo hard 😭 it’s not even the last stage and I’m struggling even though I cleared the first two stages

[buoyant hornet]

I mean tbf she really 1000% only mattered if you could actually invest in her enough

[waxen kindle]

Turn on pings bro I'll turn mine off if you want

[distant wren]

Tbf it wasn't the worst skip ever...
But it's still a skip and that's 💀

[lament yoke]

Sigma phonk

[livid lark]

Don't pull for Feral 21 on release. Lux at SSS+ is more than sufficient for all future content.

Lux will give your teammates a 20% lightning buff which is A LOT in all competitive events. Feral's buff is only 10% is half of what Lux can do. Also add to the fact that Lux is way easier to obtain than Feral 21 since she can be farmed. You also don't need a sig for Lux to provide this strong buff to her other teammates.

Also with Feral 21 you will need to spend black cards to get her sig and her cub and get her to SSS for her to be usable like Capuccino.

[buoyant hornet]

Queso actually found that she can be good to swap with cw even with arclight lol

[turbid bridge]

Compared to Lux she was already better anyway

[crystal breach]

btw so I should prioritize getting a dlt for every unit yes?

[buoyant hornet]

Aka ss0 garnet not even mandatory to make her swappable at ss0 sig

[turbid bridge]

No no

[distant wren]

Surely amp buff isn't a thing
Surely lux buff isn't limited to a circle

[livid lark]

see first if the unit actually needs it

[crystal breach]

who rlly needs it

[livid lark]

yea but cw soloers will agree so who am I to argue

[turbid bridge]

Me

[crystal breach]

thats like meta

[turbid bridge]

[waxen kindle]

Hanying?

[crystal breach]

already my next target

[distant wren]

Imagine posting this on fb/reddit/twitter and see the sht that goes down

[buoyant hornet]

Main meta units that want dlt:
Oblivion
Shukra
Solacetune
Ishmael
Pyrooath
Solo nanami startrail (prolly won't need it when she can swap later on)

[turbid bridge]

Might wanna save DLT for Pyroath honestly from what I’ve seen

[buoyant hornet]

Also Lilith iirc

[waxen kindle]

My qu coping with a 5star

[buoyant hornet]

Also lamia makes good use of dlt but she can live without it if you do some slight basic weaving

[crystal breach]

over solacetune?

[turbid bridge]

Ye

At least Solacetune orb regen is okay

Pyroath on the other hand

[livid lark]

i would like to see the fireworks

[crystal breach]

aight then

[buoyant hornet]

Hmmmm I'm thinking what if non dlt solacetune has crippled rotations when Selena is out

[turbid bridge]

If you can’t afford DLT then just BA more

[livid lark]

pyroath has cope rotations tho

yellow + basic

[turbid bridge]

Just 6 red and she’ll be fine I think

[buoyant hornet]

But then again it's probably still better to have dlt on the fire+ion nuke girl

[crystal breach]

but still, should I prioritize getting dlt for the units that rlly need it or should I also look out for other resos

[turbid bridge]

Oh right forgot about that. Cope but as long as it works for newbies

[livid lark]

if you cant get dlt for pyroath you can do yellow + basic

that way you only use 1 orb instead of 3

[crystal breach]

tbh Im a newbie so ig I can live with that

[turbid bridge]

DLT > tank shred > amp buffs > GA and others

[buoyant hornet]

Other resos are usually lower priority since they don't actually impact how the rotation functions, but yeah if you can spare some resos it can be good to have others

[wispy robin]

@distant wren ok wtf i don't get it
ish didn't save my dark

[buoyant hornet]

For example it wouldn't make sense to reso wanshi over pyrooath

[dreamy pelican]

wouldnt ga be over amp considering how much the atk ga gives

[wary niche]

is the new nanami Ss3 good or ss is enough?

[buoyant hornet]

He can make good use of his shred reso but pyrooath without dlt has a less functional rotation altogether

[crystal breach]

so just go for important dlts first then if I have some leftovers go for other resos?

[buoyant hornet]

Ss already boom

[distant wren]

She doesn't suddenly do dark dmg so...

[turbid bridge]

GA is 30% of weapon attack only, SAR and GS give 8-10% of overall attack

[dreamy pelican]

oh its weapon atk only

[turbid bridge]

Sadly yea

[wispy robin]

oh it's this brick weather
"basic dmg bonus after 3p"
like who tf cares

[dreamy pelican]

never read that since i rarely ever use it

[distant wren]

Wait u only know this now?

[waxen kindle]

30% overall attack would go crazy

[crystal breach]

?

[distant wren]

Oh daren weather lmao

[dreamy pelican]

im low spender so yeah? only time i do swap to ga is like, twice per week

[turbid bridge]

Scire weather again

[buoyant hornet]

It's way worse than amp and tank resos

[waxen kindle]

Always dlt 1st yea

[dreamy pelican]

i dont have the resos to perma equip ga

[livid lark]

sounds about right

[wispy robin]

ok time to test it with no ish and see how bad it goes

[waxen kindle]

What do those do

[distant wren]

Yea no worries, i just thought it was widespread knowledge for a long time

[crystal breach]

ok whats Oblivion best rotation with dlt + sig (no SS)

[dreamy pelican]

no worries, im globlul too so its no surprise i couldn't read

[livid lark]

tank reso is shred = damage multiplier

amp reso is atk% buff = damage multiplier

but shred > atk% at any time

[waxen kindle]

Are you in ultimate ppc yet?

[buoyant hornet]

Tank reso adds 8% universal shred whenever they touch an opponent, amp resos are basically just extra buffs (10% on glorious spear and 8% perma buff on axial ray)

[dreamy pelican]

with that in mind, is r2-ing someone like empy even worth it in this economy?

[livid lark]

not at this time

[buoyant hornet]

No

[dreamy pelican]

empy's pretty damn old but she does benefit two teams of mine

[livid lark]

a bit too late

[waxen kindle]

Ic cool

[crystal breach]

nope, still lvl 75

[dreamy pelican]

saving it for lillith then

[buoyant hornet]

If you really wanna r2 someone save it for lilith or ishmael

[livid lark]

nice you're learning super early now

[buoyant hornet]

But otherwise no

[turbid bridge]

3ping to fill gauge, hold BA and let it play out before doing ult

[crystal breach]

ty!

[dreamy pelican]

if my calcs are correct, i can r2 ish a few weeks after she drops

[waxen kindle]

Tap ult alwasy

[buoyant hornet]

@wispy robin btw does Ishmael have any use for heal resos when she's in tank mode?

[distant wren]

She can use both mode resos

[ripe stag]

She can use both resos in both modes

[turbid bridge]

Only glorious spear

[buoyant hornet]

Does she actually have a heal on qte even in tank mode?

[livid lark]

but can't onfield

[wispy robin]

not the heal one cause she doesn't heal

[crystal breach]

and then?

[still moat]

Truly the only R3 candidate

[turbid bridge]

And then repeat unless you have SS meta tank to swap to

[dreamy pelican]

speaking of lillith, are we still playing swap team on dark if scire is doodoo fart invest

[distant wren]

That idr
Need to check again lmao

[still moat]

ig lilith too

[turbid bridge]

Yeap still swap

[buoyant hornet]

You mean axial ray or?

[dreamy pelican]

im talking like, s0 sigless daren

[livid lark]

ult1 -> 3p x2 -> hold basic -> ult 2

[turbid bridge]

Oh oops sorry SAR yea

[crystal breach]

like Wanshi SS0?

[waxen kindle]

3p til the bar fills, hold BA, ult
Which is basically the same thing again

[turbid bridge]

Works if he has sig I guess

[steady otter]

[crystal breach]

he does have sig

[still moat]

[dreamy pelican]

so like. we cope? is it even worth it spending a few seconds on s0 sigless daren just to swap to lillith/lamia

[turbid bridge]

Oh no, kick Scire out of the rot

[buoyant hornet]

I mean if you wanna run solo lamia where she has to compromise her dmg per rotation vs. running lamia + slightly stronger lamia with crazy amp buff on each

[turbid bridge]

Just lamia and Lilith

[dreamy pelican]

lillith can triple rot or something?

[livid lark]

pretty sure scire can be qte bot

[turbid bridge]

No shred field = no on field

[steady otter]

So much easier than onslaught wtf

[buoyant hornet]

So the answer is yes even if you literally only have xxi

[steady otter]

[buoyant hornet]

Swap with lamia and lilith is inevitable

[turbid bridge]

With enough BAs

She can do like 2.5 easily with DLT iirc

Not sure about 3 full rot

[dreamy pelican]

i see i see

i thought lillith couldnt triple rot till lamia and we had to cope with daren in the middle

thanks dalaos

[crystal breach]

should I ever use her charged ult?

[river nymph]

[dreamy pelican]

if you havent noticed i haven't looked up jack for anything beyond globlul

[buoyant hornet]

Tbh if there's enough of a swap cd gap you could spawn daren for lingya buff and shred application

[livid lark]

no

not if you dont have 3s0

[dreamy pelican]

all the knowledge i have is purely from globlul

[buoyant hornet]

We'll see after we test

[ripe stag]

I like how Ishmael's kit literally suggests you to forget about Basic Attack button

[crystal breach]

SS3 u mean?

[livid lark]

anything below should be tap ult only or you'll lose orbs and damage

[pine slate]

Sss3

[livid lark]

SSS0 = 3s0

[crystal breach]

oh ok

[steady otter]

SS10

[ripe stag]

S20?

[steady otter]

[crystal breach]

so basically in my case never

[livid lark]

yup

[crystal breach]

aight

[dreamy pelican]

A50

[ripe stag]

B40?

[turbid bridge]

Swap in Luna > 3p > dodge cancel > hold BA (can cancel if don’t need orbs) > ult1 > 3p dodge > 3p dodge > hold BA > ult2 and repeat for another rotation then swap. Just take note to weave in basic attacks between your 3 pings or you’ll run out of orbs quickly

[buoyant hornet]

Ss220

[livid lark]

well you can use it at the end of a warzone run

[dreamy pelican]

wtf b40 mentioned

[livid lark]

but like it's worthless if not whel

may as well tap ult and have orbs present

[dreamy pelican]

what the hell is a stable income

[turbid bridge]

True, it shortens the swap CD between lamia and Lilith too

[crystal breach]

so dodge cancel+ 1 BA after every 3p?

[dreamy pelican]

recommended lillith invest? is she the same case with wanshi where ss0 sigless is usable and sss r1 cub is the dream setup

[turbid bridge]

BA before 3p

[buoyant hornet]

Also at least the shred application could help with wave weaving if you don't have 3s lilith for the qte reset

[turbid bridge]

SS0 is already functioning, any further rank ups are heal and damage buffs

Sig is free and R1 is preferable

[crystal breach]

and finally whats best wanshi rotation (SS0 + sig)

[dreamy pelican]

sig is... free? in my kuso game?

[livid lark]

solo?

[buoyant hornet]

Conveniently her entry attack already applies chain fusion lol

[crystal breach]

yeah

[shy jackal]

just do drone ult over and over again

[turbid bridge]

Ye first copy + 20 shards + sig + CUB is free for Lilith

[shy jackal]

but spend an extra 3 bullets for 30 stacks

[dreamy pelican]

[shy jackal]

that's wanshi's solo rotation

[still moat]

R3 lilith or bust

[dreamy pelican]

wtf be so fr? how do we get it? there must be a catch right

[buoyant hornet]

I really hope future free s ranks follow this trajectory

[steady otter]

(2)

[still moat]

Yeah u have to wait for a week

That's the catch

[buoyant hornet]

Surpringly, no

[dreamy pelican]

perhaps i doubted you too harshly kuso

[turbid bridge]

Meh it’s not much since it’s just for one wave. mainly for the lingya buff and helping with swap CD

[crystal breach]

so just tap red 6 times? than do the drone ult rotation?

[wispy robin]

wtf only 300k diff between teddy and r3 ish

[shy jackal]

@crystal breach

there's the wanshi solo rotation if you need it

[compact yoke]

Should I build my echo even if she has no sig wep

[dreamy pelican]

more vouchers to sss+ cw then

[crystal breach]

tf I didnt know he could swap weapons after that red orb

[turbid bridge]

The catch is she’s mid compared to new units but at least she works, just do missions to get the free pulls for her

[crystal breach]

damn

[turbid bridge]

Yes

[livid lark]

yes

cos you can get the sig later

also did you know that she can hold tonitrus (veritas bow) if you got it from the weapon selector?

[crystal breach]

thanks btw

[compact yoke]

Support build right

[dreamy pelican]

anything is better than crappi

[crystal breach]

what about a swap rotation then?

[turbid bridge]

4 signa always main build for Phys

[zenith thorn]

she might as well be the new crapri later down the line

[compact yoke]

And 2 DV right

[turbid bridge]

Yep unless 3rd member holding DV

[crystal breach]

for my wanshi in the Luna team

[buoyant hornet]

I mean if that wave would die before ult 2 because of that shred then it's a big deal but it's already such a passive application because her entry is yellow orb

[dreamy pelican]

inb4 dark tank solo and lamia leap qte nuke

[livid lark]

First-In
Swap-In -> 3-ping -> Hold red + release -> 6-red -> tap red to auto dodge into the circle -> 6 red -> ult -> swap off

Second-in and beyond
Swap-In -> 3-ping -> Hold red + release -> hold basic until he throws his gun into the air -> spam red until he reloads in circle -> hold basic -> ult -> 3-ping x2 ->  Hold red + release -> 6-red -> tap red to auto dodge into the circle -> 6 red -> ult -> swap off

[buoyant hornet]

You don't actually have to go out of your way to get the shred lol

[compact yoke]

Okay noted

[crystal breach]

thanks!

[turbid bridge]

Ah I get what you mean, also you dodge her swap in skill anyway

[compact yoke]

This is first ult and second ult right ?

[buoyant hornet]

I mean crapri was useless on debut without having her big greedy invest requirement meanwhile lilith will always be a strong swap unit no matter what your account is looking like

[livid lark]

only the first ult (screen ult) is used in wanshi's first rotation

everything after uses both first and second ults

[buoyant hornet]

Comparing ANYONE to crapri is a disservice 😭

[dreamy pelican]

to be completely honest, this is the life of an amp

be good when you first come out, then very quickly drop into irrelevancy once other units are just better going solo

[livid lark]

capri is better than CA tho

[dreamy pelican]

amps technically got -cucked with the sss tank changes too

[crystal breach]

btw second swap-in is basically drone ult rotation + screen ult rotation right?

[dreamy pelican]

kuso intentionally making them a qte bot will never not be funny to me

[compact yoke]

Okay I'll take it as a mental note

[livid lark]

but i can run cow and alisa for wanshi solo tho

[buoyant hornet]

Crippled daren doesn't have to worry about that most likely LMAO as long as you can get your lingya proc you're good

[livid lark]

yup

[dreamy pelican]

you proved my point of them dropping into irrelevancy with wanshi solo

the only time ur seeing them is when you press their qte

[buoyant hornet]

I mean CA was built like a launch character her kit before leap was horrid rng hell on an already rng plagued "element"

[livid lark]

hey i still need a 4pc guin proccer

[livid lark]

but you said comparing anyone to capri is a disservice

[compact yoke]

I do solo Wanshi on my second considering I don't have qu and my kale isn't built there

[buoyant hornet]

CA doesn't exist who's that

[crystal breach]

is physical just doomed to be cooked lol

[dreamy pelican]

bring cw in your runs too

[buoyant hornet]

Actually who's capri

[livid lark]

tenebrion then

[dreamy pelican]

always

[buoyant hornet]

Now-

😭😭😭

[dreamy pelican]

phys is riddled with so many horrible rng mechanics that have stayed since the launch of the game

[compact yoke]

I mean she's my highest invest there so I guess that'll do

[crystal breach]

still dont get why they would add a crit system for only one "element"

[livid lark]

have you heard of float?

[buoyant hornet]

Because quirky

[crystal breach]

no

[livid lark]

ok let me tell you the tale of the float

basically the way that physical damage is calculated

[pine slate]

Cuz phys is trash

[slim cove]

Can I buy monthly pass and pack at the same time?

[buoyant hornet]

Basically every single instance of physical dmg will always range between 95-105% dmg

[pine slate]

Ye

[buoyant hornet]

It's never actually consistent 🤡

[crystal breach]

WHAT

[dreamy pelican]

that was the whole gimmick of physical

but kuso later realised how horrible an rng mechanic is on a competitive gacha game, so they alleviated it pretty well with echo

[livid lark]

once all of the initial calculations have been done for total phys damage, a 0.95-1.05 random multiplier is tacked onto that total

and it's completely random

it cannot be controlled by any means

[buoyant hornet]

Yup so even with 100% crit rate (thanks to alisa) you STILL have rng

[dreamy pelican]

this too, but they havent changed jack about this yet

[crystal breach]

yet they still kept float anyways

[livid lark]

trueslash has it too you know

[buoyant hornet]

New phys amp s+ passive: remove float

[dreamy pelican]

but i reckon they figure they dont need too because they believe the range is too short to make a big difference

[buoyant hornet]

MAN WHAT

[crystal breach]

damn thats even worse than I imagined

[buoyant hornet]

We will never be free

[livid lark]

well yea didn't you know trueslash carries physical properties too?

it's in its DNA

[compact yoke]

So that's why sometimes my phys damage is lacking

[livid lark]

indeed

[buoyant hornet]

I knew abt crit but I never considered float

[crystal breach]

believing that in a competitive gacha is wild

[buoyant hornet]

My ss0 phys team gonna have a blast in ts

[livid lark]

dont even bother

you wont get enough stacks with hanying to do relevant damage

[dreamy pelican]

i mean, makes sense ig; im assuming they built ts (and all other affix) on the same branch as element code

[livid lark]

if you want to do TS you need to get hanying ss3

like that one is without question

[topaz knot]

Would you have preferred them just add a new element instead of affix

[crystal breach]

btw whats r1, 2 and 3. How many resos u have on a char's weapon?

[dreamy pelican]

so if they change ts to not have float, they need to change phys in general to not have float

....which should be only less than 2 lines of code

which means they intentionally kept it

[livid lark]

correct

[buoyant hornet]

What's sad about nanami debuting next patch is that I can't even say "at least ts will score higher than lightning"

[livid lark]

or they just cbf trying to touch that code

either way

yea it's kinda bs

[crystal breach]

damn I hope they remove this float bs bcs I really like Selena

[livid lark]

you're still gonna get her anyway

[buoyant hornet]

Just gonna play ts for swoosh swoosh balter spin animation

[livid lark]

plus you need her for glacio later down the line

[compact yoke]

So yeah she's needed

[crystal breach]

yeah but I want her to be even stronger 😅

[dreamy pelican]

they were rajin enough to add trueslash- that should take like.... 5 nodes at least? removing float should be removing 2 nodes and (maybe) adding in 1

[buoyant hornet]

Now tell me glacio has float too so I can quit the game

(I'm exaggerating ik it doesn't but I'd expect anything from kuro)

[dreamy pelican]

what if i lie and say yes so you kiwi

[livid lark]

yea but that juicy profits tho

also how else will solon's waifu and the alpha simps survive

kuro needs to make money somehow

[livid lark]

no cos it follows elemental formulas

[livid lark]

can you make your game not have that then

[dreamy pelican]

a new element doesnt fix the problem that kuso is trying to solve

[livid lark]

she's already part of the 2nd strongest team in CN

[dreamy pelican]

never planned to, never will

[topaz knot]

What’s the problem

[wispy robin]

@distant wren wtf 4m void onetap
did last week have some ass weather or smth

[buoyant hornet]

I just realized ts is basically doomed because the only physical attacker in a long time ISN'T ts

[crystal breach]

is there any other combat-based rng aspect in this game I should be worried about?

[livid lark]

new meta cos pgr getting stale im assuming

[buoyant hornet]

Uh orb rng ig?

[livid lark]

TS was doomed from the start actually because of how it works after considering physical properties

[topaz knot]

Add a weekly mode that gives you points based on how stylish you are

[crystal breach]

not enough

[buoyant hornet]

But that's a given lol most characters have ways to negate orb rng but there'll always be stupid orb rng scenarios

[dreamy pelican]

this, plus to mitigate powercreep and increase character usage/longevity

[topaz knot]

[dreamy pelican]

and now you have another thing to grind in this godforsaken game

[crystal breach]

yeah I already knew that one lol

[livid lark]

no

problem with TS is how you build up stacks in order to deal damage

[dreamy pelican]

as much as how i hate how affix is being implemented, i have to admit, it's a pretty good way to solve a bunch of problems the game has

[livid lark]

ion and glacio doesnt really have this issue

[dreamy pelican]

it just sucks that this applies to everyone, not just malders

[livid lark]

for ion once you hit that threshold you will just have a 12s window to deal ion damage

[crystal breach]

should I care about affixes as a new player?

[livid lark]

you will encounter them later

[dreamy pelican]

you should start caring, and thats a problem

[river nymph]

[livid lark]

kuro kinda made it mandatory now post selena

[hazy sandal]

Yes
Burn affix nonomi when there is no wata in your fire team.

[livid lark]

before it was just warzone

[crystal breach]

btw is disruption useful outside of breaking those purple shields?

[livid lark]

nope

[buoyant hornet]

Oh I was answering someone else's query about rng mechanics in pgr

[dreamy pelican]

forcing new players to play affixes also forces the minimum invest requirement to drastically increase

plus it also makes it so that theres double the amount of teams to learn

[compact yoke]

Now new alternatives too

[livid lark]

oh ok i was continuing on about how TS is garbage anyway

[crystal breach]

I got glaciation, disruption and ts from my current units

[livid lark]

glacio and ion don't really have that issue

[dreamy pelican]

this wouldn't be an issue for malders, since thats what malders want anyways; new things to perfect and grind

[livid lark]

scire leap has plasma beamu

[buoyant hornet]

Glacio is a really good implementation of affix, also same kinda goes for the new ion team (lilith startrail pyro)

[livid lark]

if you have bridget there's ignition as well

[livid lark]

dark scuffed as usual

[buoyant hornet]

But ts got bonked and old ion was gross without certain invests

[compact yoke]

I'm really tempted to pull for wata on the wishing banner but I remember I'm saving

[livid lark]

in terms of the order of affixes in terms of how pleasant to use, I'm gonna say it's

plasma beamu > glaciation > ignition > umbraslash (unsure about this) > trueslash

disruption is kinda built into luna so doesnt really matter

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah they tried to make ts into whel bait

[crystal breach]

so how do affixes actually affect the game in general? will it possible to slot in characters from different elements just for their affixes?

[livid lark]

repeat of scire

[crystal breach]

fk that

also plasma beam is a cringy ass name

[buoyant hornet]

Literally 😭

[dreamy pelican]

but in all honesty, its not that big of a deal because we have a rank affix users anyways

so newcomers can simply use them for the time being, and casuals dont need to gaf

[wispy robin]

yea i def get better score by using shred reso on han too, qte bot uptime is too low

[buoyant hornet]

Context?

[dreamy pelican]

so as much slack i give to it, its still a good way to make the game more fresh

[wispy robin]

solo han

[livid lark]

correct
so for example

in a meta plasma beamu team on cn, the units are
startrail (base lightning, burn affix), lilith (base dark, ion affix enabler) and pyroath (base fire, ion affix)

reason why you can use startrail in this is because shred and buffs are able to be shared between normal elements and affix elements

whereas the affix damage types are different

[buoyant hornet]

(make sure to add context on why startrail is specifically used)

[buoyant hornet]

Sync

Our braincells talked

[compact yoke]

Well I guess I do really need to pull startrail down the line

[crystal breach]

so if I shred lighting res it will also affect my ion dmg?

[livid lark]

yes

[dreamy pelican]

'great minds think alike' ahh

[livid lark]

that's why startrail is a super important unit to have

[crystal breach]

and each affix is tied to an element right?

[livid lark]

she literally affects 3, maybe 5 teams depending on what invest you have

[dreamy pelican]

yes

[livid lark]

yes and no

it's on it's own but yet it shares properties of its base element

[compact yoke]

I guess I'll pull startrail on ish banner so she'll have the ht mats she need

[buoyant hornet]

You gotta make sure the shred/buffs actually belong to the mother element of the affix (lightning > ion, dark > umbra, physical > trueslash, fire > ignition, ice > glacio)

[wispy robin]

bruh i can't even 10m this week i'm aint malding this sht, it's the worst week we had so far
when it's dark/trueslash rot you can already know it's gonna succ hard

[crystal breach]

but will there also be ways to shred or amplify affix dmg directly or is it all tied to ur elemental buffs/shreds?

[livid lark]

it's basically tied to elemental buff/shred

[dreamy pelican]

think of it like nestle for example

nestle is the company, but kokocrunch is the cereal. its a branch of the root, and shares its properties; mainly how its a damn bad cereal and company

[livid lark]

wow

kinda rude

[buoyant hornet]

Also she apparently does so much dmg that she pulls her weight in ss0 ion (in terms of dmg output lmfao)

[compact yoke]

Why that analogy

[livid lark]

affix content gives less damage penalty than base elements

[dreamy pelican]

milo balls > kokocrunch tbh

[shy jackal]

Ayo?

[buoyant hornet]

P sure the base element doesn't actually have a penalty iirc? It's just x1 but affix dmg is x1.3?

[compact yoke]

I saw that

[dreamy pelican]

[deft apex]

So technically alisa can be replaced with kaleido for glaciation team

[buoyant hornet]

Balls?

[crystal breach]

but if, hypothetically speaking, it were possible to buff affix dmg directly, would that also affect ur normal elemental dmg?

[deft apex]

Zaza

[turbid bridge]

0.8x

[dreamy pelican]

no

[buoyant hornet]

Damn

[turbid bridge]

Also slightly lesser buffs for weather but it’s still there

[buoyant hornet]

Hey at least it's not 0.3

[livid lark]

what i meant is that if you off elem in a base element zone your damage penalty is greater

[turbid bridge]

So technically you can kind of manage with base element teams on affix but yea it’s still handicapped a bit

[shy jackal]

Oh it's not 0.3x?

[buoyant hornet]

Ohhh

[dreamy pelican]

element buffs buff affix, but affix buffs (if ever implemented theoretically) dont buff element

[alpine lake]

im new at this game, what the best team for alpha?

[turbid bridge]

Base element on affix Warzone : 0.8x
Affix on base element Warzone: 0.3x

[livid lark]

in the memory btw

[deft apex]

Only true for when ts content was added, affix dmg was x1 instead of nerfed, later changed to regular off-elementing properties

[still moat]

Someone should do 444 ion on boss zone void I bet the score would be similar

[buoyant hornet]

I think the pure utter nuke dmg built into affix kits is what makes using the base elements non-viable lol

[dreamy pelican]

if you chop a tree at the base, the branch falls. if you chop a branch, the tree doesnt fall

[livid lark]

gonna get powercrept in 2 weeks if you don't have 3s0 also she free in about 2 months

[river nymph]

ok bet

[buoyant hornet]

It's not that the base element is dysfunctional it's just it'll never compare to the affix output lol

[still moat]

I'll remind u after lilith

[shy jackal]

I see

Aether said it was 0.3x or something lol

[river nymph]

[crystal breach]

so the endgame content will start catering towards affixes rather than elements? or will it be both?

[livid lark]

both

[dreamy pelican]

likewise, if you delete nestle from existence, i would be really happy. if you delete only kokocrunch, i would only be slightly happy.

[turbid bridge]

I mean yea affix is way too high scoring especially at strong invest, but it’s still something to cope with for newbies

[foggy ridge]

both

[buoyant hornet]

Both

[turbid bridge]

Though again newbies won’t be reaching hero

[compact yoke]

Again why that analogy

[deft apex]

Wasnt this changed after ion got introduced?

[still moat]

Not pyroath clearing 10 waves in 1 ion ult

[dreamy pelican]

i just hate nestle

[crystal breach]

bcs the elemental weathers also buff their respectibe affixes right?

[deft apex]

Changed to how regular off-elementing works normally

[wispy robin]

ppc is the maint issue ngl cause no 0.8x offele nor weather so u have literally 0 choices

[alpine lake]

thank you for the information

[buoyant hornet]

Real ngl

[crystal breach]

good analogy btw

[foggy ridge]

with a bit of whaling and a bit of smurfing perhaps

[still moat]

No

[shy jackal]

Justified tho

[compact yoke]

Fair enough understandable

[river nymph]

[dreamy pelican]

[shy jackal]

They ruined abuelita those fckers

[turbid bridge]

Oh actually? i didn’t know that

[still moat]

I tried light on ion it does good score

[stray siren]

@woven haven Ishmael can't use Einsteina because her qte only deals void damage, right?

[river nymph]

no entiendo nada

[turbid bridge]

#📨・meta-help message

[stray siren]

Yo tampoco

[river nymph]

[livid lark]

he gonna come back grumpy again lol

[foggy ridge]

imagine this emote but its their peepees shaking instead

[deft apex]

Did u try ion on light?

[dreamy pelican]

[still moat]

I don't have ion that's why I play light on ion lmao

[crystal breach]

whats light?

[livid lark]

lightning

[crystal breach]

ahh ok

[foggy ridge]

new genshin element trust

[turbid bridge]

Yea PPC is just fked for newbies if no correct element, literally zero bonus for base element

[barren plank]

Can I shoot for 10%?
Ice: 233 112 111
Void: 222 121 111 (Epitaph Feral)

[stray siren]

Man, I'm trying to understand how her works as support/tank

[foggy ridge]

i might get banned for saying a slur goodbye if so 🫡

[pine slate]

No sss amp for void?

[barren plank]

Huh

[dreamy pelican]

i cant go one day without being reminded of how horrible genshit is

[zenith kernel]

[still moat]

Just a qte bot with gloria

[barren plank]

Only Kaleido

[compact yoke]

So that's why I'm getting nuked in ppc when I was new

[river nymph]

[turbid bridge]

Yea lmao, newbies are just bricked as whole

[livid lark]

kuro penalises for off element overall

[still moat]

Btw, Luna counts as an attacker right ?

[livid lark]

glorified attacker yes

[crystal breach]

so I rlly should focus on having a meta dps for every element right? And then start going for affix teams?

[zenith kernel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867995160854806588/1197886612231704696/946772686275768340.gif

[foggy ridge]

honest to god void in minimum invest is like the biggest barrier to 10%

[livid lark]

correct

[buoyant hornet]

Maybe einsteina was reprogrammed to work with Ishmael?

[dreamy pelican]

so don't bring ur cw into any element other than lightning if possible

[livid lark]

that's the mentality you need to have to survive in this game

[still moat]

U can try nanami Luna Ishmael so Luna can hold eins for light @stray siren

[stray siren]

I harmoed her eins, But yeah, I noticed it when I used her as a QTE bot on ice (Guin + Eins), I had to harmonize Eins in Qu

[barren plank]

Yea void feels garbage

[dreamy pelican]

unless you spent every pull you had on her

[barren plank]

Hopefully Ishmael will fix that

[deft apex]

Attacker with extra steps

[compact yoke]

My second account is still getting nuked though it can barley make to the advanced

[wispy robin]

meta dps are both affix and elemental dps, theres nothing to choose from

[foggy ridge]

thank you but those are weird looking pps. leeme try getting one of those

[dreamy pelican]

second? what happened to the first?

[stray siren]

Yeah, I need to try that

[crystal breach]

whats the affix for dark btw

[zenith kernel]

[livid lark]

🧱

[still moat]

Just need the class 🫃

[river nymph]

[compact yoke]

It's in ult zone ppc

[livid lark]

umbrasurge

hasnt arrived yet on cn but CW leap has it

[dreamy pelican]

im assuming you bricked that account somehow

[charred patio]

Guys, what's Wata rotation in Lucia team? Im using him at SS and Cottie, no DLT

[deft apex]

Umbrasurge? I only know [insert dumb glb name here]

[still moat]

damn shakes pyroath

[foggy ridge]

oh no

[zenith kernel]

That works

[dreamy pelican]

lets pray to solon that he keeps cw useless by never making umbra content

[compact yoke]

Well it doesn't have lamia and other meta characters so yeah

[crystal breach]

so if a umbrasurge team becomes available, could I use that as a replacament for dark team or would I still need a normal dark team?

[foggy ridge]

unfrotunately u gotta switch him to shakes instead of cottie if playing post pyroath

[livid lark]

still need normal dark team

because umbrasurge may not even use full dark as evident in plasma beamu team

[dreamy pelican]

what did you spend your pulls on then? surely you didnt keep them all

[livid lark]

plasma team meta is made up of the following base elements

lightning (tank), fire (attacker), dark (support)

so yea it doesnt follow traditional meta now

[crystal breach]

so using a non-mono elemental team for affixes is always worse depending on the elemental buff?

[zenith kernel]

Overflowingedginessofthedark
Not umbrasurge
Get it right
Smh

[livid lark]

it wholy depends on the affix and the elements the units have

[compact yoke]

The s characters I have there are wata Wanshi Hanying oblivion kale empy feral cw garnet and teneb

[crystal breach]

like if im in a light weather I would want more light characters that also have ion right? to take full advantage of the light buff

[pine slate]

No

[zenith kernel]

and teneb
😔

[deft apex]

No light characters have ion affix

[livid lark]

no because again, light damage =/= plasma

[zenith kernel]

No
Ion is a dif element
You'll be off elementing.

[deft apex]

Also no

[crystal breach]

wait is ion not light?

[livid lark]

shred + buffs are shared

the damage itself is individual

[deft apex]

No

[compact yoke]

That's the account I did on November but somehow the account I did on December is looking more like a main account

[zenith kernel]

No.
It's plasma beams.

[crystal breach]

arent those the same thing?

[livid lark]

plasma/ion =/= light

like we said before, it shares properties with each other but is not the same in its entirety

[deft apex]

Ion = plasma beam, just dif names

[zenith kernel]

No.

[livid lark]

ion teams cannot work in lightning warzone

[crystal breach]

so for example ts wouldnt benefit from a physical wz at all?

[livid lark]

or they can but they'll be severely punished for off-elementing

[livid lark]

nope

[zenith kernel]

For one ion is the cool cousin light is always jealous of, light can never be like Ion even though they're related.

Dunno, ths analogy sounded better in my head

[crystal breach]

but I thought they shared buffs/shred with their respective elements?

[deft apex]

Fun fact! Ts is the only team where its the same characters as parent element!

[livid lark]

hanying's shred and alisa's buffs can work for both physical and ts

but for someone like stigmata who only deals damage won't be able to do anything if you use her ts rotation in physical

[charred patio]

What's his rotation with shakes then? I heard it's hard without dlt

[zenith kernel]

The affixes are different elements
They... do not benefit from off elements

[deft apex]

Ts team = phys team
Diff moves do diff types of dmg

[wispy robin]

wanshi and glacio 🐴

[zenith kernel]

Don't use the spider explanation before we have ourselves a misunderstanding😔