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also basic attacks deal massively increased dmg
u mean the buff is alr full
Yeah that's to be expected
the buff cap is just number of cipher orbs from cecily iirc
do hanying basics get bonus from her kit?
so if you have more signal orbs than cipher orbs it does nothing
so back to basicing again 
Can u help me with sources where I should farm?
no not really
Who do i get with the selector?
https://huaxu.app/na/players/25696715/characters
Explore the 40 characters of ShadowLagArc from the North America server of Punishing: Gray Raven.
oh
considering CW just needs to ult1 and never ult2 yeah lmao 
I should read again
Ceaseless Strings
[Core Passive - Echoing Twins] New Effect: Glaciation.
Certain skills fill the Glaciation Gauge. When full, the Gauge will clear itself and unleash Diamond Dust, dealing Hiemal DMG and accumulating a Diamond Dust stack. Casting an eligible skill will consume all Diamond Dust stacks and create an Ice Spike that deals Hiemal DMG to its surroundings.
If the character deals Hiemal DMG while the Ice Spike is on-field, triggers Crystallization, dealing additional Hiemal DMG and generating Glaciation points.
When the Ice Spike's on-field duration expires, triggers Icebreak, dealing Hiemal DMG based on the current Glaciation points. The Glaciation Gauge, Diamond Dust stacks, Ice Spike, and Glaciation points will carry over between characters with the Glaciation Affix.
- When Glaciation points reaches 100, unleashes Diamond Dust that deals 100% Hiemal DMG and accumulates 1 Diamond Dust stack, up to 10 stacks.
- If there is at least 1 Diamond Dust stack, certain skills can clear all Diamond Dust stacks and create an Ice Spike on-field, dealing 180% Hiemal DMG. The Ice Spike's duration increases by 1s for every Diamond Dust stack consumed.
- While the Ice Spike exists, if the character deals Hiemal DMG, triggers Crystallization, dealing 100% Hiemal DMG to enemies in a large area and generating 100 Glaciation points. Can be triggered once every 0.25s.
- When the Ice Spike's duration expires, triggers Icebreak to deal 100% Hiemal DMG to enemies in a large area. Base DMG of Icebreak increases by 9% for every 100 Glaciation points. The maximum Glaciation points is 10000.
When Judgement Zone is not active, Echo can hold Dodge to fire a Frigid Arrow, dealing 800% Glaciation DMG and activating Crystalline Zone for 8s. After Splendor Points reaches maximum inside Crystalline Zone, Echo can hold Basic Attack to consume all Spendor Points and cast Anguishing Co-Strike (gaining invincibility but unable to cancel with Signature - Celestial Edge), imprisoning and pulling in nearby enemies, dealing 2400% Glaciation DMG, restoring 50 Signature Energy to Echo, and activating all available QTEs.
Anguishing Co-Strike consumes all Cipher Orbs, up to an equal number of Signal Orbs, and the Soul Shatter Mark if held, then grants corresponding bonuses for the Glaciation Effect.
- Each Cipher Orb increases the Base DMG of Gelid and the Ice Spike by 4%, and each Signal Orb increases the Base DMG of Crystallize by 25% for 24s. Triggering this effect will renew its duration. The Soul Shatter Mark enhances the effect of Crystalline Points, every 100 Crystalline Points increasing the Base DMG of the next Cryoshatter by 200% (does not stack).
Level 9: While an Ice Spike is active, Echo's [Signature - Celestial Edge] resets the Ice Spike's duration to 10s, and [QTE - Advent of Justice] extends the duration by 4s and deals 600% Glaciation DMG instead. Cecily's Cipher attacks deal an additional 200% Glaciation DMG and accumulate 100 Crystalline Points for the team..
- The Ice Spike's duration cannot exceed 10s.
Level 18: Base DMG of Anguishing Co-Strike, Imprisoning Co-Strike, and Soulbreaking Co-Strike increase by 50%.
[Passive - Decisive Omen] added effect: Increases the final effect of Ultralimit Torque applied by [Core Passive - Blessing of Fortitude] by 5%. While Echo has an active Crystalline Emblem, she instead grants the Frostbound Nova effect that increases Glaciation DMG by 5%. While an Ice Spike is active, Cecily's Cipher attacks accumulate an additional 200 Crystalline Points for the team instead.
. not fully understanding the kit and going 1st score
there u go setsu 

wtf is this
scire
Scire
aigh bet

Looking like funeral photo 
Remove this mf from meta đ
I'd celebrate her funeral
Real
fk all tsundere
real

thankfully lamia still relevant
ugh

not this guy
Lamia without cub feels brick
XENO

imagine new dark attacker before new dark tank
i can expect it from the devs
Ngl I should have gotten her cub instead of her sig 
u hate me?
Too much info man. So basically all the dailies weeklies and events

they did pepega with ice qu
EKKKKKKKKKK
Nanami starfarer incident 
Lilith
Lilith
to ensure crapi stays benched
where's this?

Wdym where ?
guys do i do it?
Can't you see

noooo save for SS3 hanying

they forgot to put the same name as the quest then
why?
i thought u got s+
You asked for pull currency sources 
no
oh whel talk

wait they wont add S ranks early to this with sync right?

cus they added them to the topup shop early
bruh don't tell me that's lucia ppc build 
Still confused man tbh đ„Č
Can you like tell me priority for farming bcs?
Cottie always Bottom slot
That memory has one of the highest attack stats

Thanks
Just do everything
I might actually give harmo to hyper
Cause he whel like you
Cuz balls
uhhhh no proof am whel
Ok đ

Just look at the one-time BC tab, and then do all dailies/weeklies


Okk okk
Interludes giving one massive amt of bcs
I think it'll be enough
Hello Jerry
i dont know what that is can i get the dmg buff if i use her qte
Yes but they way Lux's QTE works is that it summons an AoE field you have to be inside
Go read qte
If ur outside of it u don't get the buff
so i should go for lux ss
i get the heal if im in the air right?
uh
say something đ

Who are you pairing with lux 
well I heard some ppl saying cw is still important to lightning team
Nah there are people that know

Also we donât know because midair characters didnât really exist when lux was viable
and I say yeah if she is at least 3s
Im pretty sure u get healed
Then there are people who thinks Nanaknight replaces garnet even if CW isn't SSS
the dash move of cw triggers both characters qte
i use lux qte before holding attack
i never check if i get healed or not do i?
you disappeared into the night when i needed you most
depends on situation honestly
i am disappointed
Bro itâs because nobody uses lux
feral weather might be better for cw
You should have feral 
whats feral again
The people that use lux donât have a clue
I mean generally it's like once in a blue moon we get feral weather
So
Lightning amp
S?
Yes
cant afford an s rank
Feral becomes free on Ishamael patch
Whether or not the lightning buff even applies youâll just have to cope with lux
Oh yea about you question @sick flower
1 when is ishamael patch
2 why do i keep reading ishamael as ismail
Or just use off ele amp with resos
You need to use Lux qte so how that CW stays inside the circle when she plunges as well as ult 2
see the dot i put below its the image i sent
if i learnt something
its the fact that i should always match the element
Actually better pick
SSS R2 Kaleido might be way better of an option
whats r2 kaleido
Is the sig weapon on kaleido recommended over Alisaâs or lamias
i dont know anything
Not might actually
It's a 8% permanent atk buff + 20% on swap atk buff + 10% on QTE atk buff + Guin buff and dv buff
2 weapon resonances is r2
2 resonance on sig
really shouldnât be getting any of the 3
How so?
future sigs are more important by far
so what do i do rn
like everyone in future is even more sig hungry
Just use Lux

Solo cw
make her ss? she is s rn
Later solo Nanaknight
if you screw yourself over by getting kaleido sig over wanshi sig or hanying sig thatâs doomed team already
Speaking of my lightning team
Nanaknight, SS Feral, SSS Kaleido would be my team?
Yea
You need that 20% buff from SS
Lux is free farmable shards so good
i have enough a rank tickets
I see, so I have r1 on empy and have like 3 resonances, if I r2 on her, give hangying r1 and r1 oblivion for dlt would that be a good idea? Or should I hold off on Luna as it isnât as important and keep the other resonance for r1 on another character like maybe wanshi?
Nanaknight - 4 sig 4 Heisen
Feral - 4 Guin 2 Eins 2 Gloria
Feral - 4 dv 2 Samantha 2 lantern ?
do i use them for lux
Get the ones you don't have from those
Just farm Lux shards from the shard farming place
You know where it's right ?
or spend ages trying to make her ss by getting her shards torturing myself
donât r2 empy
r1 luna
r1 hanying
r1 lucia
as priority
You need 15 days to farm her shards to SS her from S rank
everyone but wanshi wants dlt in some way
i made her s that way but i dont know if i can deal with the emotional damage it gives me
Wait
Glaciation Wanshi won't need it still ?
R2 on empy isnt needed even for nihil team and fire team?
yeah im definitely using my tickets
Kaleido better pick on Nihil
bruh why would he
Yeah ik just donât have her sig
Hence the question lol
?
its just dmg increase
dlt affects rotations its far more important
Wait so he doesn't have an alternative rotation unlike Nanaknight or Hanying for his affix
Oh yea
Okm
I see thank you
if you have any units without dlt that need it
you give them dlt unless theyâre like old
like lamia and earlier old
So Iâll r1 Luna just now, r1 hangying later then when pyroath is out r1 her
yes
R1 every S rank who's coming out except Wanshi
then ishmael patch will have 2 free resos (3 if you have cw sig) and 68 rc special bp includes 2 more free resos (3 if you have feral sig)
so 4-6 resos in total
So yea
Thanks, I was gonna get lamias sig as I pulled her out of luck but guess dark team remains dead for me
so you can r1 everyone from nanami onwards
Woah 3 more reso
Im balling when ishmaels out
stop being poor cnt and buy the bp 
I have 1 A rank sig, 1 USB, 1 USB coming next Norman rot
I'm ok I guess
Hanying will get Rosetta sig for reso
Wanshi will get Glory sig
Should I worry about my dark team being dead though, it means im forever stuck in legend/elite war zone and coping on ppc when dark element pops up
legend elite 
What's your dark
S6 lamia, s+ teddy, SSS x21
I have Coped with rozen XXI Lamia while still staying consistently at hero
SS Lamia slowly
Take time
Don't rush and sacrifice other upcoming unit's SS
What about her sig and dlt? I wonât be able to do that under the current way of things
Just cope
basically ideal reso plan is this
working your way from top to bottom
r1 luna hanying lucia nanami ishmael lilith selena
r1 wanshi + r2 hanying + r2 ishmael + (r2 nanami if solo)
r2 lilith
r2 nanami if not solo
r3 ishmael/lilith
bros why is this babel so ez
Can I have my garnet hold the 8% shred while letting Nanaknight stay at R1
Only need r1 nanaknignt if not solo?
you can do max diff cthylla solo with luna holding attack button 
8% shred
r2 nanami if not solo is for bat reso
sheâs not dlt user if swap
Bat reso 
in fact that sheâs neutral orb user
at sss sheâs orb generator
you joke
Honestly I come out of gameplay help with a little more knowledge on what to do than before, cheers
but hanying needs bat reso now

This game antif2p 
I was planning on r2 hanying anyways I got more than enough

Not whale just Norman and login rewards
Ss3 r3 for rights invest

What was the thinking behind making an observer class
Was it just to get people to r3

i just hit the guaranteed S rank on standard and am torn between epitaph and lamia, who should i grab?
Epitaph
Vera dark tank trust
If somebody says lamia theyâre trolling
and what about shukra?
Very important but not more than epitaph
the only reason i ask is because SSS+ bridget for free unless he's just that good
He is just that good

Youâll obviously need to get him to SS rank with his sig weapon
For the best outcome
yeah, but that's a long term goal with skulls and just saving for his weapon
Yes
he is just that good
now i just wait for pyroath and i have a proper fire team
bridget canât compare to wata
hanying drops when on kr
its literally baby vs nuke
i must know if she's going to be available in the milestone selector
a rather big chested baby but still
hey, epitaph has a big chest too
@woven haven any answer please
60k
ok somehow managed to 580 but press f to onslaught 
i don't count initial 15k since that's a given
so i'm safe and can start saving for pyroath
synchro actually makes you lose way more skulls in practice cause you basically get 3 cancer weeks for the price of 1 
How do u play the ruin event ?
you pick all the negative modifiers, choose construct and press begin 
just get in and whack the boss
once the boss reaches 0 hp you've beaten the event
Did but no pints earned
repeat this for each boss and you're done
did you enable all those modifiers
you need to do that for more levels
yes, or be genius and R2 her anyway and use shield reso for immortal warzoning
What do u mean enable ?
and for mental stability
like tap? click?
switch on?
I have r3 on garnet
you forgot ?
How do u do that ?
My CW already enjoying the shield
anyone in game atm?

Why?
show this guy how to set babel modifiers pls
it's late here and i dont want to boot up the game rn
oh then u can prob use the shield qte thing
Wait a sec
Thanks
Ok so
You got to Babel
Pick a boss
Then pick a slot out of the 3
Then you'll see this screen
Now you can select how much you want your enemy to be stronger and how much hellish you want the fight to be
wtf babel walkthrough 
After you select > press next > you select your units and buffs and then fight
@lime crescent you understand?
Your score will depend on the difficulty
This is what it says when i pick a slot
The higher the difficulty, the more the score
Reviving will decrease 10 score every revive
You did not select any enemy buff that's why
You will get 0 score
Ah ok
Yup that's what i got hahah
@lime crescent the 200 on the left side is the score I'll get if I do this stage with this much enemy buff
if you only care about rewards you just need to hit 120 total score
rest of it is epeen
yes
Ofc ?
lotsa vouchers
120 for max rewards
Then it's just torturing yourself
Hahaha u're eyes are weak haha
hallo i am coming forhelp
what da hekk
this one is not torture
what eyes ?
At the end of the babel we will be checking everyones account for max risk if u didn't max risk ur account will be deleted and ur social credit will be deducted
Urs bro
True
I ain't got no eyes my friend
No ones doing fire clears for onslaught this week right
This time
Babel felt easier than Onslaught warzone
k whel
People with Whale garnet are
I used fire for cradle
phakin whels ruling the channel smh
sss garnet right
I used s0 r1 daren
is it worth me buying the gears for guardrake
@sly geyser

we got onslaught warzone ?
I call legend onslaught
Luna still shtting on whole lightning team

Why does my camera clip into the ground whenever echo jumps on a tower I can't even see what she's doing
@shadow holly ss3 r2 daren or ss r2 garnet for void
what device?
wait nvm
just lower the graphics
PC
Iâll just do lightning and void clears for onslaught
it's likely bug from kuro
Do specs affect game's camera?
i use a gaming pc and i experience it
but it's fine honestly
just unga bunga and you'll be fine
not the first time kuro's left a bug in their game
Is it a glb exclusive one or does CN have this too
idk i can't tell
since I'm mobile
the game runs smoothly but whenever she jumps up the camera is shaking or looking under the boss arena
It's doesn't adjust to where it should be
keeps zoomed in and I'm looking at the my characters feet and then echos showers me with a million arrows lol
also ngl afaik the camera has always been a big L for pgr
I've failed so many runs cs I can't see what she doin lol
Iâve got a question, my qu is SS with dlt and Iâve been told sheâs supposed to be on field the entire battle however I can only manage to get 2 rotations from her at the start of the battle then sheâs out of orbs, is this a problem with timing or am I doing something wrong?
orb management
just do a 3p > 1p > hold dodge (only in matrix)
and then 3p > 1p > 3p > hold basic
what does holding dodge in matrix do
it triggers a different ult
Is that the full rotation on doing it forever
more fast
wait fr
damn i better read her skills then
Iâll give it a try cheers
Honestly it's better to prob look at a guide if you want to understand a unit because kits are word vomit-y
Yes, and you weave in a few basic attacks in-between to maintain orb uptime
Doing that rot doesn't give you infinite orbs
was wondering since i dont have a sub dps for my fire team and i got wata and his sig, should i use his 4p signatue and 4p cottie or 4pc shakesphere? and what should the bottom reso be
4 sig 4 cottie
For the main dps build
Reso 6 red orb/6 ult
If you're wondering why red orb instead of atk for top slot, red orbs have higher damage ceiling
Finally got the timing right for the transition
k thanks and that gets changed to shakesphere on pyroaths release right?
Mhm
4 sig/4 shakes, and red orb/tank class resos
This is also the build to run when using him as a sub-dps to luna ^
If I'm not mistaken
personally im running his as his sub dps build so I dont have to change him later
but up to you
I have to cope with no good fire units and no sig empy so I gotta run his main dps build 
id rather save the mats and get slightly lower score in warzone and ppc or whatever
Fair
like im not gonna be getting any high scores anyways since I dont have hyperreal
at least with oblivion ill have the full team for now
same problem, plus it wont be too hard to actually just make a brand new alphone and cottie set for him with all the serum we getting, i have literally built everyone,
Funnily enough leaped empy outdamages hyperreal iirc
plus still a long time time till pyroath drops
Yeah
fr, is that only true if you have empy signature? cuz i dont mind building dps empy rn
Need her sig yeah
But take my words with a grain of salt and confirm with other people
It's prob better to use your resources to invest in future characters anyway since she'll basically be just a qte bot upon pyro release
yea im not even bothering with getting her leap skills
rather stockpile everything for next patch since its 2 s ranks at once
gonna be expensive
At least wanshi is free
having her sig is not THAT mandatory, since she's qte, it's a massive update but u can cope without it
No hyperreal
use Bridget
wata will do all the damage
how do i know if a character is well built
stockpile what exactly cuz nowadays i just use my serum to build randoms
when they perform well
according to their respective role
resonance mats for memory and weapon
harmony mats
hypertune
usb's
overclock and leveling stuff, etc
how bout by looking at them in the members tab
Watas mem reso is class skill? And lunas mem reso is sig?
just send picture here for people to evaluate
wata only uses class after lucia
wata uses class for sub dps on void no
but ig thats like a patch and a half a way
so even wata shake is ult ?
well ye wtf, u gonna change his dps reso to class when he needs to dps in fire
nah
and his dmg is still worthy in void, so class or ult reso is w/e
I'll use my cottie set instead
im not getting any high scores in warzone or ppc regardless

my wata has half sig half class from rng
ye like now i mean u could make class reso or be smart and do like 3 ult 3 class
lmao
Is the top reso atk and crit? For wata
red
for both dps and sub dps
That looks cool uwoo
just do what i do and give hime 4 ult and 2 tank when using cottie and 4 tank and 2 ult when shakesphere
this is game just trolling me rn
S
Should I use teddy as dps
is there like a way to get the orbs you want lol
shakespeare is better than cottie if u have r2 wata for fire tho
Any ideas if there's target s character for non newbies I still haven't completed void team
any suggestion? (most of them SS, others SS3)
i could get r2 but id rather save my last usb for pyroath, if i get any spares id use them
ye daz fine
whats the second reso tho?
but ye i mean im using sig now and i dont see any diff to anyone else xD
class is more impactful with lucia cause of the strength gap
dlt
Hello đđŸđđŸ Is derived from matrix a permanent or event specific game mode? Does it reset?
much smoother and faster rotations, ive seen R1 shake but it looks like the rotation is bricked cause its slower then r2
all of those rogue likes are perma
Me settling with 3ult 3tank class that I got by accident 
Is there somewhere a list of what game modes to prioritize as a new player? Sth. that is MUST or sth. that not worth bothering with (I heard the latter about Recitativo for example)
ye reactivativo is only useful for some bit of HT materials / vouchers and BC if its there (cant remember xd)
Yeah there's some blue and yellow tickets but small amount
500 yellow and blues iirc 
but u want to ensure u keep up with events so u dont miss the rewards, ensure ur weeklies get completed - thats pretty much it. DFM and Cursed Waves just provide extra rewards so up to you which u do
well ive been that desperate before xd
Ive done it too 
So weeklies, Phantom Cage and war zone a Must and the rest just for fun?
What are finality orbs in lunas kit?
as a newer player u would want to complete the roguelikes for the rewards but u dont need to be too pressured for that honestly - its ur own choice how much u want to grind
can someone remind me. we get Bianca leap next patch and getting 1 copy or her for free? or i am wrong?
Also worth mentioning, DFM and Cursed Waves are the main source of a LOT of free character leap materials
Norman revival plan and clash reflection are biweekly recurring modes that you should be doing as well
don't get scared of needing multiple teams for Norman, at the "normal" difficulty you can complete all of it using just the trial units
Thank you guys đđŸđđŸ
Not next patch, the one after next patch
The only other source is warzone currency which takes a long time to build up or vouchers which, don't
Actually it's amazing how much there is to do. I hope they will implement more modes in WuWa as well
ahhh, also whats interesting is the ticket rewards from events and rogeulikes - 90% of the time they are event R&D tickets which forces u to save them for characters. If you are smart and stack enough, you can have some BC on the side to try ur luck at a 6 star weapon or S cub
Can any1 gimme a cheap luna team?
Im currently pulling watanbe from standard banner
These are my chars
One more question: is there a reason to NOT pull on the basic banner with the free tickets we get?
yes, cause u didnt ask who u should chose on the banner selector
unless u had and i missed it before xd but thats only reason
bruh there is too much new people whats happening
WuWa
Gambling addiction and combat
But we can only set an A Frame as target, right?
luna, bridget, teddy
Tyyyyy
u should get wata in due time tho and he replaces bridget
there should be an S rank too if u didnt use it already
Yeah, already used
Yeah I'm trying to get the blue tickets for him
ye then no reason to save besides for selector refresh in ishmael's patch
Does it matter who I pick for A-Rank? Thought about doing the 60pills for a random S-Rank.
which is a couple months away now i think
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Dailies and weeklies, as well as the weekly missions from the "guide" tab once you find a mentor
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Progress in story at least up to chapter 9 or more
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Clear warzone and do Phantom Pain Cage (the latter is important for getting skulls to get your S rank characters to SS)
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Do the biweekly modes (Norman and Clash reflection), Norman should be doable for you but clash reflection just try your best
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Slowly work on the rouge like game modes (derived from matrix is the most beginner friendly) for free leap materials and extra yellow tickets + other materials
Finality orbs are the orbs luna gets in her hold ult
Not worth considering except niche fast ppc clears
@buoyant hornet Thank you so much, will save it !!
Also try to get Luna Oblivion while you can
Kek
400 large exp is enough to max 2 characters rii?
do we always get events like stars ensnared
Wym by that
Good luck! If you're in NA server and haven't found a mentor I probably have a free slot on one of my accounts so lmk
Wdym
time limited stuff that has a poop ton of content and gives crazy rewards
Lvl already too high, but thx

Stars Ensnared is particularly THICC with rewards lmaoo
Oh nice
that was a literal yes or no question đ
Thats just because its a 3x patch
what should I get from this pack ?
All this year will be 3x patch, won't it?
how often do we get uh 3x patch things
well not usually, this patch is 3x speed so there is more events then usual
No, following patches will be 2x
but generally pgr's rewards are good
Whel no rights
ye just that
also
This is a x3 patch that incorporates big reward modes like guild expedition so there's your answer
Yepyep
Any other x3 patch would also be really juicy but likely not as much as this one
will wuthering waves kill this game
Is Battle pass a good investment if I want to spend ~30 bucks/month?
This one also included the 888 x3 BC rewards and stuff
But with current patch roadmap it won't be enough 
I mean it's not recommended to buy packs rn unless you can afford the x2-x3 thingy but you should always prioritize BC monthly over BP
Why?
any suggestions on selector? (all listed on SS, karen and feral on SS3 ranks)
nah qu with sig is crazy
i don't even know how i managed to play her without it for so long lol
will wuthering waves kill this game 
I mean...
Hanying, pyro, nanaknight, ishmael...
Game already ded
How many vouchers do you have?
i wont trust you on this one your name is literally end of service
Right lmao
43k
That's the point
Ok probably don't get anything for the time being but you could have sss feral if you get this dupe + the free copy on Nanami/Ishmael patch
like fr without sig getting to ult twice was lucky, now you can dish 4-5 rots like it's nothing wth
you guys always say eos is soon
If u want to gauge where bc comes from (excluding events and weekly stuff)
but everything posted shows the game will go for several years
selector is 60 days. so will be hard to wait till then
Its annoying how ss3 is the new threshold to hit for these units rather than ss
Another victim of the Eos troll
You can straight up solo with her if you get your rotations down
and the fact that this game is not money hungry like poc shows the company is making enough money to keep it running
Yeah no sig qu is hardcore brick
Eos jokes are around since like 2022
is kind of sad that a character can be sooo bad without her signature, but whatever
Then ig it's best to just get feral since no one else would give you and real value and you don't have enough vouchers to spare on a sss amp
"Not money hungry"
Doing 3x patches without tripling or at least discounting the packs:
Who said that
Well get ready because the next few characters are gonna be exactly that
well i KINDA maybe have some to make empy to SSS, since she is 4 steps from it... but that's it probably
Tbf he's not far off lol
Ok we need to differentiate the "benchmark" vs "minimum" here because none of these units NEED ss3 whatsoever
It's just a big power jump
It's not like karenina where she's straight up unusable at ss0
They don't need, but the diff between ss3 and ss for these units is literally like the jump from s to ss
Wdym 4 steps? How many more shards do you currently need?
nah actually i've seen that wanshi can manage with 5 star, aswell as nanami, i'd just get hanying and pyro sigs and try to get lucky with wanshi sig
It changes their kit so damn much
Pyro literally has a whole different rot at ss3 compared to ss0
Hanying not working properly for trueslash without ss3
Mhm
bruh i used the 10 pull with 6 pity and got a 6 star, hoping its someone good
Well wanshi and nanaknight are the few exceptions because they're mainly damage boosts to their kit
any gen 2
I mean that's just one affix it's annoying as hell but she's perfectly functional for physical without ss3
is honestly kind of annoying because the income is not big enough to get some SS3 if you're f2p, you're basically doomed to play SS characters forever
selectors is a thing yeah, but they are not that often
Alisa, Empy and Ayla sit somewhere there (all on 6/10 from SSS)
People here keep saying that ss3 is minimum and it leads to new players here unironically trying to pull 2 copies of a character for SS3 because they don't understand what's being said
bruhhhhh it was crimson abyss are you kidding me
Deadass someone here pulled 2 luna copies as f2p because of this đ
lol
Ss3/sss attackers getting massive qte dmg bombs as well as other big buffs
Sss tanks switch CD reduction and massive shred
Sss amps (basically usual)
the game really needs another weekly mode to get more income, the investment needs are getting crazy
I mean, it's pretty out there for everyone to see 
Basic human rights is s+ r3
U fk whel
How many shards are exactly needed here? How many do you already have?
Wdym i only sss capri
Yeah definitely
U sss kaleido and just swiped for liv coating whel
Lie, u seeded by someone
Sss empy too


36 for empy (partly already bought with vouchers), 28 for Ayla, 30 for Alisa.
That's how many shards i need to get them to SSS
Get rekt btch
Then choose between empy or ayla in this case

with selector?
Yeah
moshi moshi
hm. thanks
Which one of them has sig and/or weapon resos?
Tbh I'd normally recommend sss-ing ayla for void but she'll get replaced by lilith in a few patches anyway unless you get ss3 Ishmael
both have sig
stigmata cus looks like u have the others
So it's mostly just choosing between better fire or ice
why you don't use lillith if you have SS3 ish?
Ishmael's tank/amp properties clone the exact values of the current best tank/amp
If your Ishmael is ss3 she supposedly gets extra 10% shred on all except dark because dark rn is handicapped by karenina schitre
ohhh
that makes sense
Yeah it'll change once the new dark tank finally kills scire off
at that point you won't use ish as a tank anyway lol
But for now dark is scuffed and ss3 Ishmael still prefers someone other than lilith
No Ishmael in void is hard locked to tank role
and if you have SS0 ishmael it doesn't matter then?
She can't do nearly as well in her amp mode
sadly i couldnt pull this off lol, my wata rot is too slow
do u guys think ishmael will be powercreeped?
my eyes hurt with all the staring at the screen i did lmao
Yeah for ss0 Ishmael lilith becomes a definitive improvement to the team especially if you didn't have SSS kaleido/empy beforehand
Not really but a new unit COULD force her to move to amp mode
cus devs said she gonna copy all current meta units for buffs
yep thats true
SHE WHAT
she copies your current tanks shred and amps buff
like fire tank has 25% shred at ss 35% at ss3
she has all that
she also copied lilith's buff for those specific ranks
yeah
they have to make a new void tank to creep her into amp mode
remember that her buffs only apply to her element
so void only
u guys probably know that as nihil
Or a new amp that amplifies a disgusting amount if the other 2 units are same element
In this case, 2 void 
i main oblivion im good
oh yeah
kinda makes you think what they'll do with void
just create a void amp l ol
when is she coming tell me
may
I mean, ishmael is the tank
this year may
They just need to make a void amp or something equal to an amp

may 1st?
we dont know expect her on 2nd week of may
alright thank you again

They update her class every patch 
We dont got anything rn, but we probably will have futurely
There probably won't be a void unit that's officially called a "tank"
what does parhelion do
They all seem to have unique classes
Tank/amp but better as tank
yeah thats the issue
they made her with many issue
no i mean like whats the class passive
Observer
Gain different abilities based on the Observation Chronicle:
- When Tank: Attacks reduce the target's Extra DMG Reduction by 20.0% for 5s.
- When Amplifier: All switched-in members gain an extra 20.0% ATK and 20.0% Elemental DMG Bonus of Ishmael: Parhelion's element for 10s.
- When Other Elemental Amplifier: All switched-in members gain an extra 10.0% ATK and 10.0% Elemental DMG Bonus of Ishmael: Parhelion's element for 10s.
hmm
She just solidifies the "team flexibility" aspect of void units but in meta for void she has a clear standing on what her role is
I guess its core wait
Sanctified Event Horizon - Observation Chronicle
Ishmael: Parhelion's ability is determined by the Observation Chronicle. The Observation Chronicle's abilities will be strengthened along with the subsequent release of other Constructs.
- If there is only one elemental Tank in the team, Ishmael: Parhelion will become an Amplifier of the corresponding element.
- If there is only one elemental Support/Amplifier in the team, Ishmael: Parhelion will become a Tank of the corresponding element.
Pretty much
dos luna: laurel work with watanabe
converts herself into the class (Tank/Amplifier) of the element depending on what is not in the team
The conversion's element and class depends on tank or Amplifier/Support and it's element
yeah 
Well this helps u understand it
currently the 2 void elements (except teddy) we have are like gods n stuff in lore right?
nah only ishmael
luna is just a gooner
Yeah
For example
If your dark team is
- Lamia
- Capriccio
And you are missing Tank, Ishmael will be the tank who'll shred dark resistance for the team.
Her own damage type won't change but her shred and class will

I think its a typo, dark amp and other elements
Yea
Luna is also godlike lol
what does that even mean 
nah she a gooner
she goons for her sisters
does that mean shes good to fill out any team you're missing someone on
so if using her on another team that isn't void she's basically qte bot?
Exactly
Her dmg doesn't change, only her buff type does
Just like Luna she will always deal Nihil/void dmg
Yes
remember alpha bikini skin? that was luna's choice
see fire lucia's midriff? thats also luna
so she a top gooner for her sisters
What characters here would it be most useful for me to 80?
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Void is an element. Again, they can just add the void passive equivalent to ishmael whenever a new Amp/equivalent to it drops for void
whats wrong with a bit of sibling incest love
ayo?
not gonna say anything about that
but she is a gooner thats for sure

Mr incest would be proud
the dress is luna's gift
thats what i heard

in that case isnt luna more of a wingwoman for skc and lucias
but damn lee is very accomplished in science
really?
nah she still gooning for her sisters
Wow lee did that?
lee technically designed his frame as well
He's so >>>>>>
Lee has been involved in gray raven's engineering from the beginning
If you read his interlude he was already into it even before becoming a construct
lee often helps the science council
yeah Murray's robot
and other stuff
was cool
I just don't get why they specifically changed his name
at this rate lee is gonna build the vaccine for the punishing
Most other constructs kept their human name
probably to not let his brother know its him?
He knew from the start though
story skipper spotted
Murray literally walked in on him in the tank getting the procedure done
im more of a story forgetter
oh right, that scene
I only knew he was into engineering but didn't know he specifically did construct stuff omg
Lee best boy
Well he didn't do much construct stuff before becoming a construct because that would've been illegal/infeasiblr
He went with Lee as his codename for the operations they sent him on before he was a construct
But he was already adjacent
i dont quite remember as well, are the new frames since hyperreal and after like immune to the virus as well
Not everyone iirc
we already have that kinda
I think it's technically whoever was designed since the golden vortex
Empyrea was the first

No
im still at chapter 11 kekww
Empyrea is the first to straight up cure it
She was the first frame to run the prototype omega weapon
But golden vortex grants a kind of immunity
I mean tenebrion was the first non-ascendant to straight up resist the virus like that
I wouldn't say cure it if you are redirecting it to yourself 
But that's largely due to camu's influence
cure? doesnt the frame straight up absorbs it into liv?
I mean as "curative" as it could get back then
Yeah its curing others tho heh
Wasn't it glory?
do check event in member target resets or i can hold it as long as i want

Possibly? Dont remember
I don't remember what golden vortex
Well he clearly wasn't straight up immune to the virus considering the events in surviving lucem
But he was highly resistant iirc
Golden vortex was the golden dust in the desert that some person discovered could disperse the punishing virus
I don't remember that glory was resistant, but they did say that if he ever got corrupted it would be a miracle to get him back, compared to the Arclight frame
The gamemode was the one where it was like extended ppc
Ohhhh
Kamui trolling tf out of Roland with it was peak đ
I did it as a newbie so i was having to clear stages with solo lux and shet
Wait so that was what the golden dust was when Rosetta tried to explode herself along with Alpha
I was fighting for my life lmao
what chapter was golden dust stuff anyways
Its special content
It's a game mode
Especially on a stage that had a specific objective but it was very poorly described
Its story canon but pgr hates organization and clarity
I kept fighting endless waves accidentally because of it đ

Yeah
Roland almost died that chapter lmao
He clutched

Good that ugly ass frame needed to go
He got jumped by every single person in there
WHAT
Uniframe đđđ
How dare you
The og roland frame with the horrendous character portrait
đ€ą
Bro looked like a troll meme
Look at me in the eyes and tell me Roland's earlier frame isn't drug addict looking
Messy hair didn't favor him
Flambeau was such a glow up
roland is way too loyal
HE WAS A TROLL MEME
AND HE LOOKED HIDEOUS
HOW ELSE WOULD YOU DESCRIBE ROLAND
Spanish
Both things can be true 
I mean đđđ
Good point ig đ
Portuguese
No wtf
BruH

But still that portrait was horrid to witness while he was taunting me in story
I'M NOT HERE TO PARTICIPATE IN EUROPOOR'S FIVE MILLION REGIONAL RIVALRIES
hello, can I use the same teams from Ruin's Shade for the Maelstrom are of this Babel Tower event?
Roland's earlier design was the thing that screamed "Kuro indie company"
U wanted me to describe him and that's what I did 
Literally lmfao

U might as well be from the balkans
if there is a roland, there must be a rosea
JAJSJAJSJAJA
Btw based Brant layout
hii i'm new to pgr & i'm wondering if pity expires in this game
Brant singlehandedly made me consider redownloading wuwa ngl
I still might but I'm running out of driver space đ

He's such a goof but in a good way
Play wuwa so zeru can promise you to play coop with you and then abandon you
FK U
That's what's best about him fr
I was tired and sleepy leave me alone
No

Should I give Daren 2r
Brant's color scheme is just >>>>
Watch her get replaced next cn patch right as you do that
Get her if you don't have her
Yeah
Get her to SS? No
Oh
I know lmao
Then no

JAJSJSJS
Abracadabra scire poof into oblivion
Just dlt 
how lmao
If they release an A rank dark tank it'd powercreep scire atp
it just does
Unplayable character asf
Ayo where to find walkthrough of cursed waves need to achieve story ending
Pins has a spreadsheet
Ok thanks
Ranked decently in hero wz now watch a bunch of annoying whales wake up and demote me

So many skill-less whales in glb đł
wait no im still leader i forgot LMAO
But once they know some crumbs of how wz works they outscore whatever tf I can get
i cant get any higher on both wz lol, im hard stuck skill issue
been trying rydle's rotation, but i can never make it
cant understand the dark qte either
dark QTE is kinda
hold Daren QTE as long as you can on Lamia
you only use it if you kill a wave mid ult or with tidal orb before ult2
so in cases where the shred field won't hit it
and Capri QTE you usually use ASAP unless you happen to need the eins shred on a particular wave
provided the chain doesn't break if you hold it
Help
help with what
Help
Hii hi
What memory do i use for Empyrea if im using her alongside Oblivion? (no watanabe)
Dv guin
dark is tanky 
after recent âmetaâ characters, who needs weapon reso?
make sure you have reso for Solacetune next patch cause apparently its important
then prob oblivion
then epitaph
Is ss3 solucetune just a dmg and shred increase?
oh wtf this is tanky
No its a significant playstyle change for phys and especially for trueslash
I have two so Iâll save one usb for solace
DaVinci on 2,4,5 and 6
Guinevere on 1 and 3
oh no
Bro didnt know
I just did void and light
fk this game LMAO
But it was annoying for me either way
I DONT HAVE LIGHT TEAM
is it because of the 3 signal orbs passive!
?*
And 50% extra point generation as well
How is your fire better than Nihil lol
I got the exact same score on fire and Nihil
I forgot to add that my Empyrea is at S with no sig, i still use Dv guin right?
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I have Selena capriccio SS. Which memories should I use now? grayravens.com has lots of options
i still suck at void
Simply do not use capriccio
SS capri isn't worth using
ok i might have to do some cursed stuff for this
Use teddy instead
Then which should I use dark for heal/amplifier?
You don't have SS3 Daren I think?
Just tell me
If you do or don't

Daren is Karenina Scire
Incase you are confused
Just use teddy bro
No Maybe I'll do SS in a week, but I don't think I'll be able to do SS3 anytime soon.
Ok
Don't SS her at all
Her S and SS has both no use
yeh damn its more garbage unfortunately

got it đ
She cannot onfield before SS3 + R1 signature weapon so you don't need to SS her
Run Teddy, Scire, Lamia



