📨・meta-help

[visual topaz]

bro how mald is UDC 5-9 without Rosetta harmo

[abstract heron]

uhm, you could save it for another character

[zenith thorn]

dlt > r1 tank > r2 amp > attackers reso (exc dlt)

luna

if you have that selector

[compact gyro]

I see, and why is r1 tank important?

[zenith thorn]

shouldn't you have enough bc to pull wep

[compact gyro]

The meta has changed a lot since i last played wow

[zenith thorn]

8% shred

[compact gyro]

Damn, I should look into that with my resos then

[zenith thorn]

it's been this way since 2 years ago wdym :lmaocry:

[arctic imp]

Are they not good options?

[arctic imp]

Alright thanks

[compact gyro]

Probably didn’t dive into too much detail about resos cause I found it pretty boring

[zenith thorn]

if you have that selector, shouldn't you have enough bc to pull weapon

[river nymph]

[zenith thorn]

that's a 500+ rc selector

[abstract heron]

they are, but, if you have the rc weapon selector, you should be fine just saving it for someone how needs the sig in the future

like pyroath, nanaknight, ishmael, hanying yada yada

[arctic imp]

I just returned to the game

So I dont have bc

[zenith thorn]

right

[abstract heron]

oh

[dapper skiff]

Damage

[arctic imp]

I see I see

Well I’ll just save it then for Nanami

[white quiver]

Bruh does Daren ever see field time when Lilith is around?

[tiny acorn]

do I get stigmata to upgrade over my crimson abyss, or empyrea

if I don't pick up stigmata I'll have to leap crimson cos she feels so ass to play for me

are there any other upcoming selectors aside from the springsong one?

[glass bay]

Whose thighs u sniffing

[tiny acorn]

[glass bay]

[zenith thorn]

spin then ult
same as always

[dusky quarry]

So daren is ok to ss3

Still

[zenith thorn]

honestly

[dusky quarry]

Mine is S base with eins & bath

[zenith thorn]

no idea

[dusky quarry]

And sig

R1

[zenith thorn]

I'm still planning to ss3 her nonetheless

[dusky quarry]

Might be wiser SS3 her smh

[zenith thorn]

so take that as you will

[dusky quarry]

BP next patch gonna help me out

[solemn lance]

At what point do I hit diminishing returns on rank ups on lamia?

[dusky quarry]

Solo patch

[deft apex]

Tbf she's probably getting kicked with vera

And she got kicked from ion alr

Considering trueslash and dark are the weakest teams its like

[dusky quarry]

In lightning vera attacker we trust

[woven haven]

the moment you didn’t invest in dark teammates

rather than ranking up lamia

[deft apex]

Its duo

[woven haven]

lamia has a lot of once per swap passives
if you run her solo going beyond ss0 + sig is a waste unless you have the necessary dark teammmate requirement to swap off lamia

pgr is not a game where vertically investing in any one unit can save them

[dusky quarry]

KR is getting mono

So do we

[valid void]

Who's the best S rank to get from the free selector? Can I have yall's input on it?

[dusky quarry]

Pyroath, Wanshi, yata will be triple

[woven haven]

first copy of scire/empy

up to you which one it is

[solemn lance]

What would be a decent team? I am currently using teddy and A tank XXI

[tiny acorn]

what's this

[valid void]

Empy is a fire amp right?

[woven haven]

SSS Capriccio + sig / SS Daemonissa + Sig
And SS3-SSS + sig Scire before you invest on Lamia ranks past ss0

Dark team is notoriously expensive for MANY reasons

[solemn lance]

So I suffer? That looks like whale territory

[woven haven]

not to mention investing on lamia is a waste given that Daemonissa took her spot as main dmg dealer on dark team anyways

and we’re expecting new Dark Tank to outdps every dark unit in the game soon

[solemn lance]

I love powercreep

T-T

[woven haven]

i mean its necessary at this point

[tiny acorn]

is it worth it to leap rigor still

[woven haven]

dark has been stale for the past year

And is lagging behind other attributes heavily

[deft apex]

That's not true since we are getting double

[woven haven]

Still Dark is only one element and you shouldn’t be heavily investing on any one single element in the first place

[deft apex]

We're getting wz rework (that happened on wanshi patch) next patch

[dusky quarry]

Where did u saw that?

[static pike]

what's the best team for luna oblivion

[woven haven]

you should be spreading out investment equally and rolling every new unit

[solemn lance]

Hm, ty, I just returned to PGR so I have no idea what I’m doing

[deft apex]

Also that solo thing came from me originally

[tiny acorn]

what're y'all talking about with solo/triple

[woven haven]

Amplifier: Kaleido Empyrea Feral whichever is the highest invested for you
Tank: Watanabe Epitaph. Get him from standard banner rateup 100% if you still have it, sucks if you don’t

[dusky quarry]

Wth

I thought it was true

[static pike]

thank you kind person

[solemn lance]

Patch size, how many characters are included I believe

[dusky quarry]

Well i can still get one BP aniways

[woven haven]

just roll every new S rank unit added each patch that isn’t free

keyword being new don’t roll reruns

[solemn lance]

Hm. How bad is the powercreep tho? Can I still use lamia after daemonessa and unnamed s rank tank release?

[rose yew]

why stop there when you can go 3 times

[woven haven]

a full updated S-SS rank team will outperform 1 SSS rank + 2 A rank units

[zenith thorn]

can i roll skins

[meager iris]

what is better, cog box or regular cogs from event shop?

[woven haven]

Yes Lamia just gets demoted to Subdps after

[rose yew]

both roughly same ratio

[woven haven]

She’s no longer the majority of the team’s dmg
just under half

[solemn lance]

So it’s not HSR lvl of powercreep?

[meager iris]

I feel like the box is a scam for this patch

[woven haven]

no pgr level of powercreep is different
Its the strongest powercreep you’ll see in the entire gacha industry but its slow

we have a fixed number of roles
and whenever new units of the same role are added the old units are immediately irrelevant outside of a few niche uses

The thing is it takes about 1.5-3 years to powercreep any one unit usually

[deft apex]

The patch is just really short for kr being a double patch

[solemn lance]

So I joined just as Lamias powercreep hits?

[woven haven]

more like you joined as glb is speeding up

[deft apex]

?

[dusky quarry]

So it will be short for us as well? Like 4 weeks?

[woven haven]

And lamia has been relatively old for CN server already

[dusky quarry]

Double patch is the new A-rank

[woven haven]

GLB got her what 5-6 months ago?

[deft apex]

41 days for us (same as this patch)
38 for Kr

[woven haven]

But CN has had lamia for 1.5 years already

[dusky quarry]

Why do we get 41 days 💀

[woven haven]

It was only inevitable new dark units would powercreep her dmg

[deft apex]

Tbf kr got 43 days this patch

So it evens out

[woven haven]

and since she’s not a tank or amplifier lamia has no utility outside of her dmg which is the problem with attacker class in pgr

they’re the easiest to powercreep

[grand jay]

Long time no talk

[woven haven]

we need new tank to powercreep old tanks
but attackers can be powercrept by any class so long as they have the dmg numbers

[deft apex]

Hi did u kiwi

[grand jay]

I took a break

Gonna play Selena patch

[solemn lance]

So, in essence it’s just trying to keep up with the meta by pulling each s rank every patch, since they are always leagues stronger?

[woven haven]

yes

[grand jay]

Yes

[woven haven]

as long as you consistently pull new units you’ll do well enough

[deft apex]

I respect you for coming back for wife selena

[glass bay]

[woven haven]

Now is actually probably the last “good” time to catch up as a newbie

[zenith thorn]

that's mine

[grand jay]

Isn't Lucia canon anyways?

Not that I care for her lorewise like that

[solemn lance]

Isn’t the powercreep bad for whales? Especially during acceleration?

[grand jay]

In glb yeah

Arguably in CN too

Normally you'd space out meta S rank releases with A ranks

And there's one character per patch

[woven haven]

for whales it just means fixed spending per S rank

it all depends on how fast you get the S ranks

and yes glb whales got a huge shaft in that acceleration

Whales usually had 3 months per single S rank

[grand jay]

Glb is fked because there's patches that will at least have 2 S ranks to pull for

[woven haven]

and they could buy small cheap packs over time

[grand jay]

Especially whales

[woven haven]

to soften the cost

[zenith thorn]

many glb whales kiwi or stop spending when syc got announced

[woven haven]

in GLB you get 2 S ranks per month now or so

[grand jay]

CN is kinda fked too atm

[solemn lance]

But don’t we get 3x the rewards right now?

[woven haven]

so yeah drastic difference

[zenith thorn]

only for freebies

[grand jay]

They had to go through 3 S rank patches back to back

[woven haven]

But spending isn’t tripled

[zenith thorn]

paid stuff?
buy 3x

[solemn lance]

Capitalism at its finest

[woven haven]

Monthly card is worth the same amount of BC they just let you buy more at once

[grand jay]

With the next (and hopefully final) S rank being Selena

[woven haven]

so to upkeep the same investment (say ss3 + sig + cub) for every unit you pay significantly more per month

That’s why sync sucks for spenders

[solemn lance]

Just for them to inevitably get powercrept just as we catch up with CN?

[zenith thorn]

my money ran out

[deft apex]

Start saving for wife

[zenith thorn]

aether pls give me 5sgd

[solemn lance]

Which one

[grand jay]

The S ranks that are coming out will all last for at least 2 years

You guys are just getting them faster

[deft apex]

There's only one, selena

[grand jay]

At least everyone from Luna onwards

[solemn lance]

Wasn’t there a joke about her being undead?

[zenith thorn]

[deft apex]

She's soup and has schizophrenia but its all good

[normal sierra]

wasn't a joke, it's true

[deft apex]

We love her for being what she is

[silver shard]

Any other ways to get this other than combat supply?

[solemn lance]

Melted in the tide?

[zenith thorn]

we love a girlfailure

[woven haven]

well yeah already released units pre-watanabe are all aging poorly
balter is dead
cw got crept by a tank
hyperreal dead

only echo and lamia are really hanging on

[zenith thorn]

crash reflection

[normal sierra]

||she was Siren, yes, that ugly boss you may or may not have seen yet||

[woven haven]

and lamia isn’t going to last for long either at this rate if new Vera is Dark Tank

[celest socket]

Hi guys, i am in the 12th stage at clash reflection and how can i get any the rewards ?

[frozen creek]

pull lamia skin anyways

[woven haven]

finish the run

[frozen creek]

waifu > meta

[solemn lance]

Did

[frozen creek]

[glass bay]

Bricked

[solemn lance]

That’s why I’m concerned about her longevity xdd

[quartz dove]

[woven haven]

yeah pretty bad idea all things considered

[frozen creek]

true whels dont care about longevity

[normal sierra]

pull first, ask later. classic

[woven haven]

but oh well

[frozen creek]

pay up when new unit drops anyway

[glass bay]

Like u

[celest socket]

okey thanks

[frozen creek]

i care about longevity

thats why i wont be using my vouchers on scire

[solemn lance]

One problem, I don’t really have the finances to support wife collection addiction

[frozen creek]

well then you gotta pick between that or meta sadly

if you pull skin you miss out on opportunity to pull sig weap

[solemn lance]

Gacha gaming is pain

[normal sierra]

gacha is 🚮 *

[solemn lance]

Fr

[quartz dove]

Say u

[solemn lance]

I wonder how Kuro will cope with Global Whales leaving.

[quartz dove]

[solemn lance]

But isn’t the acceleration also good for some? Some people don’t care about how much they spend, so they just get more content in less time, right?

[dapper skiff]

No

[meager iris]

whels leave, some of them sell their accounts -> new whel buy it -> cycle continue

[dapper skiff]

Anything about synchronization is bad

[solemn lance]

But what if no whel buys the acc

[dapper skiff]

And we just cope with what we have

[meager iris]

[solemn lance]

Gacha game moment

[meager iris]

EOS

[solemn lance]

EoS is hell

[meager iris]

anyway, you will always find new whels tbh

[solemn lance]

Sunk cost fallacy kills me, I hate it

[meager iris]

those some are maybe 1% on the whels side

[solemn lance]

True

Imagine spending 3k per month for a game

Just for that to go down the drain inevitably

[meager iris]

not every whel doesn't care about how much they spend in this game most of them do and have specified budget for the game, you can't tell them just pay 3x times more

[meager iris]

not that much tho

[quartz dove]

Aka like 1-2 people

[meager iris]

I would say max 1k for 3x patches

[quartz dove]

[solemn lance]

Eh, if you’re lucky

That’s rookie numbers I believe

[meager iris]

not about lucky or not this is like to clear all the shop

with skins

if you clear the shop this patch you would get 140k minimum, and most of them has extra bc from before so you wouldn't need that much tbh

[solemn lance]

True

[glass bay]

1k per month on pixels is rookie numbers?

Look at this Jeff bezos mf

[solemn lance]

Behold, Genshin

[meager iris]

even this is a bit too much but this is to clear literally everything ig

just an estimate

[normal sierra]

aren't you surrounded with giga whels, P*nzu? you should know

[dapper skiff]

Whel to whel conversation

[glass bay]

Even 1k per month for Jenshin whels is rare

[dapper skiff]

Ew

[solemn lance]

Even 300 is a lot.

[quartz dove]

Ikr

[glass bay]

All kiwi

[normal sierra]

[meager iris]

you whel too

[ruby minnow]

whel everywhere

[solemn lance]

Whel habitat here

[ruby minnow]

can someone fund me sss qu

[glass bay]

Everyone who score higher than me is whel

[dapper skiff]

livWhat

[glass bay]

Simple

[dapper skiff]

Bro really says I'm a whel that only has 5* cw

[glass bay]

[dapper skiff]

Smh smh

[river nymph]

[dapper skiff]

Whel allegations is too much

😔

[meager iris]

mistaken between whels and skill issue

[glass bay]

[river nymph]

im both

[quartz dove]

[river nymph]

[meager iris]

if you are skill issue who is skilled in this game

[river nymph]

[serene siren]

dalaoo skill issue ?

[quartz dove]

[river nymph]

i would say their name but i think i would get banned

[meager iris]

he is being humble

[quartz dove]

Nameless = eu king

[serene siren]

nameless is the entire EU

[frozen creek]

whel complimenting whel

[meager iris]

[ruby minnow]

[river nymph]

[solemn lance]

How likely is a lamia leap in the near future?

[tiny acorn]

is capriccio at SS worth using over decrypter SSS+ in dark team?

[meager iris]

me and 2 f2p left

[glass bay]

Wtf is this, scuba diving expedition?

[river nymph]

this town aint big enough for the both of us whales

[glass bay]

Where all these fk whel come from

[sage forge]

just got to 80, this is worth to use on luna?

[river nymph]

yes

[ruby minnow]

as likely as lee leap (how'd we know)

[normal sierra]

they are all here to take you, P*nzu

[quartz dove]

Ikr its suffocating here

[safe tapir]

yes

[quartz dove]

[safe tapir]

does cursed waves ever add oblivion ?

[river nymph]

dont think so

[solemn lance]

I just want to cope with fish powercreep

[glass bay]

Take me where?

[proper field]

Who do I choose for this and should I pull on it in the first place?

[solemn lance]

Japanese whale hunting ship

[meager iris]

f2p peasant

[normal sierra]

to the lustrous land of whels, of course

[glass bay]

At least kusogames cares about us

[serene siren]

whale seasson hunt

[river nymph]

[sage forge]

Oww heck

[glass bay]

All whels been harpooned by kusogames

Extinct species

[river nymph]

[quartz dove]

[ruby minnow]

if you don't have him yet, watanabe epitaph, only use blue tickets on this banner btw

[solemn lance]

I will spend RC on it

[ruby minnow]

okay

[solemn lance]

Good idea, trust

[ruby minnow]

[proper field]

What does he do Im very new to this game

[glass bay]

Fk whel

[solemn lance]

More damage, enemy go poof faster

[gaunt sapphire]

why can't I upgrade my weapon here?

[turbid bridge]

No, cursed waves is stuck with existing lineup forever

[ruby minnow]

he's the current fire dps and tank (tanks shred resistance aka enable damage) and he's the tank in the team of Luna Oblivion the current new S rank

[ruby minnow]

no exp mats

[solemn lance]

No wife?

[turbid bridge]

Check the “Select material” button, you’re lacking memory enhancers

[river nymph]

[proper field]

Who should I pick for the a rank thing

[normal sierra]

not enuff mats

[quartz dove]

Not enough exp material

[solemn lance]

Buy them with RC, trust me.

[gaunt sapphire]

ohhhh ok ty

[river nymph]

[meager iris]

you need this

[ruby minnow]

I would go for Astral and No 21 XXI to start off with for a small begin at a dark team

[sage forge]

i just need to get the skulls now and my luna will be fully built heck yea!

[solemn lance]

Feesh wife best (I need to cope)

[river nymph]

[proper field]

Is there like a best team? I saw noctis gameplay and his lightning team looks fun

[solemn lance]

Where 7k

[sage forge]

dont have Ç-c

[turbid bridge]

I didn’t even notice it was weapon and not memory

[meager iris]

ready for hanying and wanshi

[ruby minnow]

yeah there are meta teams, however noctis is pretty much at the bottom of the meta, never used

[sage forge]

wut dis, is for CUB?

[river nymph]

[ruby minnow]

if you really like him you could get him and have some fun with him

[meager iris]

yeah

[proper field]

Is this a game where meta matters

[ruby minnow]

CUB skill leveling mats

[solemn lance]

Yes

[sage forge]

oh

[solemn lance]

If you are competitive in the slightest way at least.

[meager iris]

still need more for wanshi

[ruby minnow]

Yeah, the meta is dominant in PPC/WZ where score influences your rewards, and having meta units makes other modes also significantly easier

[river nymph]

[turbid bridge]

Just buy more HT mats with next patch paid packs

[meager iris]

nah these are scam

wtf 20 ratio

[sage forge]

Derived from matrix is a one time thing, and Clash reflection is weekly?

[ruby minnow]

Clash reflection is every 2 weeks

[meager iris]

yea

btw there is still mid patch packs

I hope these are good at least

[proper field]

For story mode can I just run like a casual non meta team?

[ruby minnow]

yeah

[meager iris]

yeah anything can finish story

[sand laurel]

Sophia solo

[meager iris]

META

[proper field]

How far does skill get you? Is this the type of game where you can just run meta and be fine?

[ruby minnow]

massive difference

[sand laurel]

powercreep big

[visual topaz]

What times for the emperor

[ruby minnow]

sorry im too f2p

[river nymph]

[ruby minnow]

ss3

my hands are bad so idk if this is even close to max for it

[meager iris]

sss or s+?

[visual topaz]

SSS0

[meager iris]

9/10/14

[visual topaz]

9

wat

[meager iris]

I think 13 is possible but cancer

[meager iris]

yeah knight ez

[meager iris]

I can't cuz ss glory

[glass bay]

Such whel....

[visual topaz]

how u do that

[ruby minnow]

fund me sss qu and ill figure out for u

[meager iris]

switch 3p dodge -hold attack -orb cancle -hold dodge

cottie ofc

[visual topaz]

I'm missing like 8 HP bars

wait hold atk

[meager iris]

yea hold attack

you need it to kill

[meager iris]

this chaos and hell

[visual topaz]

im too slow

[river nymph]

damn idk the emperor was so cute under the armor 😳

[meager iris]

chaos should be ez with sss glory, hell if you are going for 13 you need to be fast

[ruby minnow]

gacha rule 17: if the opponent is wearing large armour, they might be a cute girl

[meager iris]

oh right chaos with cj not cottie

[deft apex]

You got it wrong
Cradle is emperor's weakness, he's romantic

[river nymph]

me and him both

[visual topaz]

talking about knight

[meager iris]

you have cottie right?

[visual topaz]

cottie dw

[meager iris]

you can cancel the hold attack with hold dodge instead of 3p too

a bit faster

[dapper skiff]

Where's my 4 Fred qu

[meager iris]

or this how I did it by accident

[dapper skiff]

livWhat

[celest socket]

which one should i harmonized their weapon; Qu shukra, watanabe epitaph or luna oblivion

[dapper skiff]

Shukra

[cold walrus]

not a meta

[dapper skiff]

That 4 Chen is game changer

[meager iris]

wait for this cute to f us in onslaught

[dapper skiff]

When

I volunteer

[river nymph]

[celest socket]

okey thanks

[meager iris]

hopefully this week

[visual topaz]

i'm lacking energy without that 3p cancel

[meager iris]

you ping 3 ping or 1 ping at start?

[visual topaz]

3 ping

[meager iris]

idk how it worked with me

sad I didn't record it

just be faster

[celest socket]

after harmony, she become my first character who has above 7k bp

[meager iris]

[visual topaz]

what even is emperor spawn time

5.25?

[meager iris]

idk

[vale raft]

Emperor

Weakness: Frost (Ice)

Zone Type: EXPPC

Start Time: 5.25s

Difficulty: Knight

HP: 8,280,000
Super Armor: 39,100
Extra Damage Reduction: 0.0%
Defence: 1,500
Phys Resist: 0.0%
Fire Resist: 20.0%
Light Resist: 20.0%
Ice Resist: 20.0%
Dark Resist: 20.0%

[dapper skiff]

Yup

[visual topaz]

ripge

[dapper skiff]

Wym ripge

[meager iris]

is there another boss with 5.25 spawn time?

[dapper skiff]

U want to dshit it or something

livWhat

[visual topaz]

lilith tb fu shen

[meager iris]

no I mean outlier so I can try on it

anything .25

[deft apex]

No

[meager iris]

found camu 5.33

lemme send the vid

[safe tapir]

what do i pick

[cold walrus]

first

[meager iris]

@visual topaz something like this

[cold walrus]

poor kamu

[sage forge]

this boss for sure got a phase 2 right?

[meager iris]

1 phase iirc

[sage forge]

hmm if 1 phase i can defeat gotta dodge carefully

[visual topaz]

[meager iris]

[visual topaz]

the more i mald the less i understand

[meager iris]

it's what it's

[safe tapir]

why

[cold walrus]

new ending is behind 1 option

[tiny acorn]

is crimson abyss still strong enough to beat most content in the game comfortably?

if not competing

[cold walrus]

she only can clear bosses in advanced ppc

it is her maximum

[tiny acorn]

fair

[woven haven]

nope esp not ultimate ppc nor wz

they have long since scaled phys content difficulty to Balter level
and soon hanying level

CA’s “comfortable” can at best clear early story for u by now

[tiny acorn]

F

[cold walrus]

~leapt ca is better than balter~

[deft apex]

[buoyant hornet]

Sigless lamia can't even 580k lilith

Even with sss schizo

[meager iris]

sigless lamia

[woven haven]

also important to note
for CA to get good results you need good teammates

…who deal more dmg than her anyways and might as well be the main dmg dealers

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao literally the most annoying thing ever if I didn't have sss capri to swap with I would've gone insane

[safe tapir]

What about here

[tiny acorn]

so I have a plan...involves spending but, get the triple BP -> get liv empyrea wiith vouchers + the shard selectors from BP -> get stigmata from the 1/24 selector

wdyt

[visual topaz]

switch in > 3p > dodge > hold atk > 3p > hold dodge > ult 1 > 3p > ult 2?

[buoyant hornet]

And yes I'm saying this as the guy who made the 5* solo lamia warzone video

[abstract heron]

doesn't matter tho

[meager iris]

yea

[woven haven]

i mean up to you there’s a free balter with pyroath patch anyways

[woven haven]

use the sheet it has all the info

[visual topaz]

I'm just slow

[cold walrus]

you reminded me that i have ca on my main

should build her to complete arcade anima

[meager iris]

you will get used to it

[sage forge]

Ayoo this clash reflection is fun, but the last boss scared me :v i got heckin upper cut to the face and he put me in the dirty 6 feet under

[buoyant hornet]

Who was the boss this time I forgor

[sage forge]

the robot, trailblazer?

[tiny acorn]

who else is a good pick up on the 1/24 selector except baltor and empyrea?

[visual topaz]

AYO

i got it

all that suffering for knight diff

lmfao

[sage forge]

this is all good right, cleared?

[buoyant hornet]

Oh yeah

[meager iris]

[sage forge]

this must be intense for you veteran players huh

[woven haven]

scire

[meager iris]

chaos was the hardest for me bcz of lacking damage

you should be fine with sss glory

ss no rights

[visual topaz]

as for my dalao

he said 13s possible with 2 harmo SSS ice

[meager iris]

yea but you need to mald a lot for it

[visual topaz]

what are the odds phys onslaught is bugged

[meager iris]

what is the bug?

[woven haven]

glb player -40% dmg debuff

[meager iris]

[turbid bridge]

Wtf 4-6 bars float??

[visual topaz]

float 4-6 bars on boss

[turbid bridge]

[visual topaz]

boss is 55m lamia

4-6 bars sounds like a few millions diff

and it's about phys weather lmfao

[dapper monolith]

Is SS3 Luna Oblivion good?

[slender aurora]

Ss3 does nothing meaningful

[visual topaz]

SS or SSS0

[sage forge]

This take long to get huh the only thing i havent got yet

[meager iris]

I suspect that I can get 1% again this week so I will just 1 tap probably

with the current bosses ig way less people will be in onslaught this week

[vale raft]

Hell 0:16

Final Score: 352178

[abstract heron]

oh

[turbid bridge]

Current Norman cycle (pioneer difficulty) gives 75 shards upon full completion

[meager iris]

ss or sss3

[visual topaz]

SSS0 1 harmo invest
UDC 8/8/10
The Emperor 9/11/14 (seems 10s chaos doable with hindsight and better techs, 13s hell too with 1 more harmo on kaleido)
Lilith 9/10/13

Onslaught Lamia
Void 21s
Dark 37s
Phys 30s + weather bug?

[turbid bridge]

13 Lilith is 🧢

37s dark onslaught…

[visual topaz]

the SS video is 💀

[meager iris]

yeah 10 chaos is doable with 323 323 101 so I would say 333 can do it easily

[abstract heron]

Can I improve this score on red liv or nah?

[turbid bridge]

Oh

[visual topaz]

60s void on lamia

[meager iris]

13 I didn't even bother since I barely got enough damage for 14

[visual topaz]

it procced overtime level 2 buff

80% EDB

after 55 sec

[sage forge]

im doin it slowly i got 88 shards so far

[visual topaz]

40% EDB at 40s

[distant wren]

what invest?

[turbid bridge]

Ye you should get enough by next Norman cycle

[meager iris]

wait so we have dark and physical this week onslaught?

yeah gg

[rocky valley]

https://tenor.com/view/kittyjam-jamming-jam-cute-cat-cat-jam-gif-499006987437771115

[meager iris]

I hate malding with balter I never do it right

[visual topaz]

My void Oblivion Epitaph Empyrea 444 333 111
Dark 43.13 333 111
Phys 3.243.0 333 101

if phys is bugged i def won't mald it

[sage forge]

i want to get epitaph 6* weap once i get the bc, i need to learn how to stack him because i keep flying around with the batman hook

[abstract heron]

2.12.13 211 101

[visual topaz]

omg

4/30 of 55M HP is 7.3M

6 HP bar is 11M

[meager iris]

I hope void can kill with 2 ults like last week

[sage forge]

Wut u guys but with this?

[visual topaz]

HT

[meager iris]

ht mats

nothing else worth it

[sage forge]

i c i c

[gaunt sapphire]

is it worth it to get the 5 star version of the weapon? or should I just keep the 4 star one?

[distant wren]

ss3 rose?
anyway i think it's good if you don't have sss rosetta
but idk, could be better

[cold walrus]

balter build in ts is 4 patton/2 darwin/2 cath?

[sage forge]

use until u get 6* , if u get it for the character

[abstract heron]

ss3 rose
ic ic, anyway ty

[buoyant hornet]

Many of us won't even be reaching onslaught this week LMAOOO

[river nymph]

[dapper skiff]

Dude wtf bro

[meager iris]

hence, slack week for me

[silver shard]

It takes 3 weeks of co op to get 1 5 star weapon???

[visual topaz]

3.0 Oblivion 4 Cottie
3.0 Epitaph 4 Shakes
3.0 Feral no harmo DV Ein
2 Luna full rot + Wata shakes 4 stacks ult then ult 1 + 2 blaze orb finish for 21s void

[distant wren]

yeah idk where to look for ss3 balter but ss rose invest clear but considering you lose out on 20% def + 5% phys res shred, it probably is very good already

[meager iris]

what about 3.1 luna?

[dapper skiff]

My 222 010 011 fire literally got same score as my 222 012 011 in fire

Liek what the actual ||-||Fuck?????

[distant wren]

oh

i thought i did smth wrong

[abstract heron]

with the free selector this patch i could make her sss tho

[distant wren]

[abstract heron]

sss6 balter

[distant wren]

mob wz issue maybe?

[visual topaz]

no clue you gotta try it yourself

[dapper skiff]

I'm genuinely tweaking rn

Look at this shi
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/663286717985456157/1331434372922085448/2_resos.jpg?ex=67919a63&is=679048e3&hm=adf2a50dfcc359267f772aaf173bcab250e7aee6e3485176ab2f6c2ee23f312c&

[river nymph]

[dapper skiff]

How tf 2 HEALER RESOS has NO IMPROVEMENT

[meager iris]

yeah will do on reset

[spiral merlin]

Noo I thought the gray raven radio video on luna was doing so well on not misinfoing then they say void team becomes luna ish nanami

[meager iris]

[subtle zinc]

are you using shake and not swapping amp fast enuff?

[river nymph]

healer resos are placebo buffs

[distant wren]

mob wz gonna mob

[subtle zinc]

yeaaa these wz´s are awful

[river nymph]

i also got pretty much the same fire score after i forgot eins on empy

as when i did it with eins

[subtle zinc]

yea you dont sees the benefit from debuff application until later waves

[river nymph]

[dapper skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/keyboard-computer-player-angry-tense1983tablebreak-gif-18396590

[visual topaz]

time to fund Kurai healer 3rd reso, surely it will improve

[dapper skiff]

Incandescent Empy will help

[subtle zinc]

I use Ican Selena but Empy still DLT xD

[dapper skiff]

That buff will have enough dmg to carry from w20 touch to w21 touch

Trust

[visual topaz]

watafak

when did trs lao improve my wz

i magically got +1M

[quartz dove]

Dalao god energy

[visual topaz]

I bow

[subtle zinc]

huge QTE dmg

[dapper skiff]

R u sure he didn't just used your remaining rc for s+ lee?

clueless

[visual topaz]

nah

otherwise lee would have ranked higher in BP

[dapper skiff]

Lemao

[split sail]

sometimes theoretical dmg increases just don't cause real dmg increases for whatever reason

[river nymph]

[visual topaz]

Balter SSS0 release wz nerf

[dapper skiff]

Kuso Games

[split sail]

like i was trying out 4CJ2Guin on Kaleido + 2darwin2CJ on Qu, instead of 2guin2sam2glo + 4CJ qu on Emperor using the same rot, and somehow it does less dmg

[subtle zinc]

🐳 threshold not reached must whale more to sees the true dmg

[visual topaz]

@meager iris

[split sail]

resos were the same as only the 2guin on kale is reso'd, and the 2darwin on Qu was thru harmo

[subtle zinc]

well that example the application of CJ is super important even if its a little delayed your qu is hitting for so much less

[river nymph]

who is excited for the new balter skin?

[subtle zinc]

gross

[river nymph]

[buoyant hornet]

I lied

[subtle zinc]

no I´ll buy it even if its predatory

xD

[split sail]

i think kale qte comes out pretty fast? but maybe ill try a reg attack before swapping out this time

[subtle zinc]

As long as the VFX are clean

[dapper skiff]

What invest

Lilith is the last boss I need 580k

Without having lamia sig and cub

[split sail]

just using hold atk + 3x3 + ult2 for 6-10x bars depending on the mem configs, where the theoretically better ones are somehow doing worse

[subtle zinc]

yeah she should in theory and emp doesnt have range issues its just a trade off between the faster ult speed vs the immediaste debuff right

I´m considering making a cottie/darwin 2piece right now lol

[split sail]

i didn't even do the cott, wanted more dmg with cj/darwin

trying to do knight in one rot but dont think i'll be able to pull it off, just too far off without glory reso

[dapper skiff]

Actually dude

Never paking mind

[subtle zinc]

yeah sometimes you just do the perfect rotation and just a tiny bit of hp left and it is what it is lol

[abstract heron]

just one more boss and i have ss hanying

[dapper skiff]

I just realized exppc scoring has been revoked this update

[abstract heron]

[dapper skiff]

I'm pretty sure with current scoring I can get 580k Lilith easily with my cope invest

Last time only managed to get 575k

[visual topaz]

i actually logged again to check

[dapper skiff]

Like

[split sail]

nah i''m at 6x away even at best right now, that's prob too far off even with glory reso

[dapper skiff]

Oh

[visual topaz]

he didn't S+ed Lee

[raw swift]

help

[subtle zinc]

Did the PPC bosses always give the buff if you take long

[split sail]

yeah

[dapper skiff]

So he did got s+ lee?

[dapper skiff]

Awhhh

[subtle zinc]

Im not sure if you can plan around it but its pretty strong

[dapper skiff]

Whaduhelll

[abstract heron]

yellow

[visual topaz]

my acc is less invested than the NA whale alt

[buoyant hornet]

Unfortunately this is with cub and sss r1 capri 😭

and good old xxi lol

[split sail]

definitley possible but kinda pointless cuz you're in garbo score territory at that point anyways

[meager iris]

I think it should be doable with 2 ults like tb

[visual topaz]

well das some ref

[dapper skiff]

Ripge

[visual topaz]

mayeb you could do better

[serene siren]

cub is not the goat ? i feel betrayed

[raw swift]

help where to get the currency

[opal forge]

zero shame

dis whale

[buoyant hornet]

anyone without lamia sig + cub is fcked until lilith comes around tbh

[raw swift]

SSS+ the cub then talk later

[buoyant hornet]

My dark wz score is hard capped by not having sig

[visual topaz]

no thanks alt gonna go F2P

[turbid bridge]

Resources > Combat Supply > AE-5

[serene siren]

i don't have lamia cub and she feel so weak even with sig

[raw swift]

WTF

[buoyant hornet]

1.63m with sigless lamia comps vs. 2m+ with my other acc running r1 lamia and r0 daren with teddy

[buoyant hornet]

her cub is actually insane

[dapper skiff]

Smh

P2w game

https://tenor.com/view/kyaru-smh-gif-26202091

[buoyant hornet]

The thing about it is that her absolute best dmg source is ult and cub directly buffs it

nothing else in her kit is even comparable to ult dmg

[rose yew]

I don't feel any difference using lamia cub and noctua tbh
||barely any difference on laurel||

[buoyant hornet]

wdym it's pgr the most f2p friendly game

[raw swift]

so umm which units NEED sig to work like Oblivion and Shukra levels

[serene siren]

pgr f2p friendly btw

[buoyant hornet]

among future units? lucia and ishmael are the first to come to mind

[dapper skiff]

clueless

[split sail]

why does qu NEED sig to work again

[buoyant hornet]

Hanying CAN work with 5* but its insane copium dmg

Like a tremendous dps drop

[raw swift]

so others are not as QOL changing? I was still going for ishmael weapon

and ig lucia cuz wife

[buoyant hornet]

her fast ult can't be done consistently without it and her strong ult needs more pings to fill completely

[woven haven]

everyone has a gamechanging wep either through massive unbeatable dmg increase or qol

[dapper skiff]

Matrix on core
1 more stack every core activation (basically u need 1 less orb for 3 stack core and 1 more 3p from hold dodge)

And ofc

Dmg

[raw swift]

what about QoL

[dapper skiff]

clueless

[raw swift]

not in dmg, but in QoL

[split sail]

oh the stack is every core not just on matrix core

[dapper skiff]

Yessir

Now without sig, you're pretty much on permanent 1 3p debt on every rot with qukra

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/887159058648412180.png

[buoyant hornet]

She CAN exist without sig when wanshi comes around but it's still a major dps loss

[split sail]

and ofc no dlt access for soloing

[woven haven]

considering even dmg only sigs want wep reso for deadline timing more orbs

Every sig pretty much has qol in one way or another

[turbid bridge]

Signature weapon harmony itself is already considered QOL

[deft apex]

Needs dlt to work solo

[buoyant hornet]

tbh r0 qu CAN still solo but it's super maldy

[woven haven]

there is literally no correct answer to good sigs vs bad sigs

[visual topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgVBV7DXt8o naur

[split sail]

eh you can weave and cope and mald

[woven haven]

Every single one is insane difference wise one way or another

either for builds or for reso or for the base passive

[dapper skiff]

Ngl
I could argue that qu sig is better than Luna sig since Luna matrix is locked on SS skill instead of sig

[visual topaz]

Iza skipped lightning so based

[buoyant hornet]

You should probably just list out the most important qol sigs ig so they can get the gist of what to prioritize

[deft apex]

You weave even with dlt 💀

[cold walrus]

pull sig whenever you can afford it

[split sail]

weave more

[deft apex]

At that point might as well swap

[dapper skiff]

But who would listen to that when everyone is already brainwashed to think "u need r1 sig and cub to make a character playable"

[split sail]

is that why my s5 luna feels so ass

[woven haven]

yeah but they’re in the mindset of “i only want the sigs with qol” when some of the sigs have no qol but have unbeatable harmo or reso needs

[dapper skiff]

clueless

[valid void]

Can I ask what time does the server's daily reset is?

[woven haven]

And the qol is through there

[dapper skiff]

Perhaps

[buoyant hornet]

hmmm i can kinda see it but luna basically gets infinite matrix orbs from her sig lol

[dapper skiff]

Well S5 sig Luna shouldn't be that bad

[buoyant hornet]

yeaaaa

[dapper skiff]

But ss0 5* Luna is definitely coper that S5 sig

[woven haven]

for example nanami sig isn’t qol at all but its such a stupid dmg increase + the ability to have 100% uptime heisen application on shred field is insane

[split sail]

for those of us too poor to get all sigs, resos are barely even a concern (ok i guess we are getting a few free resos this year)

[abstract heron]

@distant wren +1k lol

[meager iris]

it was my hope last week

[dapper skiff]

R0 qu solo compared to r1 was like about 200k score diff last time with qu weather

[woven haven]

And the entire team’s score easily tanks if nanami has no sig

[buoyant hornet]

My baby acc is capable of double rot perfectly fine with s0 r0 sig luna meanwhile ss0 5* luna is still unplayabale

[dapper skiff]

It's quite feasible I'd say

[meager iris]

like top 4 were all lightning only iza ice

[buoyant hornet]

same here

[visual topaz]

he was the only one with 444 3 harmo ice ngl

[distant wren]

dalao

[split sail]

does the shred field uptime scale with the points that nana sig gives?

[meager iris]

there is people with 444 ice but they don't mald

[split sail]

honestly doens't sound too bad

[turbid bridge]

3pm GMT+8, or 5 hours 6 minutes from now

[split sail]

get more score variation for Hero retain cutoff from just the bracket you end up in

[valid void]

Thanks!

[dapper skiff]

Considering qu score between invest can vary to 300k and even 500k, it's not really that bad yeah

[buoyant hornet]

Only issue is more basic weaving needed + a lot more rng dependence

[woven haven]

No but you can’t run heisen and sig mem that enables shred field simultaneously without sig harmo

[split sail]

wait i thought light team is super mid vs ice now

[woven haven]

and no one else on the team can carry heisen well

[dapper skiff]

It just that you gonna have to go through the hassle spamming basic attack each action with qu without dlt

[buoyant hornet]

You CAN save some runs by getting a lucky dodge > 4x basic to proc matrix core but that's all that's going for you

[dapper skiff]

Qu still high priority to get dlt nonetheless

[woven haven]

no sig mem nana = no shred field, no dmg
no heisen nana = -15% shred, -10% edb

[meager iris]

yeah but we all have s+ cw and sss qu

[deft apex]

S 5star wanshi > s 5star qu just saying

[meager iris]

this is why we used light

[foggy ridge]

oh wait its dark weather tho

[split sail]

dang why ppl so simp for alpha instead of qu

[visual topaz]

not a lot of malders have S+ Qu in EU

most kiwitted last patch

[meager iris]

light was so cancer I regret malding it up until now

[meager iris]

yeah

[visual topaz]

the S+ havers in my guild don't mald onslaught

[foggy ridge]

something something vergil something i am the storm that is approaching something

[meager iris]

I had to mald lightning for 3 days to get this 18s

[woven haven]

every sig has qol in one way or another and there’s literally no real way to skip “non qol sigs” in the end
you just have to settle with the less annoying losses
which still tanks your dmg by a sh*t ton thanks to wep balancing design

[foggy ridge]

i literally cant think of another reason. if its a woman witha a katana and has something even remotely resembling jc and jce, its gonna be simped for

[buoyant hornet]

Tbh if garnet flag would happen to apply heisen then it wouldn't be as bad

[cold walrus]

im surprised guys don't simp for balter

[visual topaz]

i juan tapped and got 1-5%

[split sail]

plenty of ppl with bianca wife skins

[turbid bridge]

It does, just not during timestop and having piss AOE

[foggy ridge]

oh god its fire mob

[cold walrus]

but they're not loud

[woven haven]

it does but
again
nanami flag field is on both ult and qte and double the radius + higher shred + hits through timestop

[meager iris]

you didn't have a chance for 1% without cw or qu s+ so one tap was wise

[visual topaz]

ofc lmfao

void score aside i was resigned

[split sail]

damn top 5% of the top X%

[visual topaz]

unless i bought 180 qu shards

[rose yew]

no void wz this round?

[split sail]

i was pulling in like 60s runs lol

[visual topaz]

wait 3 rounds

[buoyant hornet]

yeahhhh definitely makes things way less smooth but not unplayable ig

[cold walrus]

1% in onslaught eu is like top 2?

[visual topaz]

top 5

[rose yew]

smh can't even use oblivion trash unit 1/10

[split sail]

woo i'll have SS luna by then

[meager iris]

if I got lightning 1 hour late I would've lost the 1% to arfee

[buoyant hornet]

The bigger issue here is that I don't know if anyone tested whether nanami can even solo without sig

If she can't then you'd have to swap with ss3 cw lmaooo

[visual topaz]

it was top 1 at the beginning of the week

in EU it's S+ check

[meager iris]

it's not only about getting highest but also getting it faster

[buoyant hornet]

Unless you somehow have sss cw anyway

[visual topaz]

or SSS above ranks + skill check on good exppc weeks

[split sail]

just hope the 6wk patches means enough extra BC we can pull a few sigs here and there

[dapper skiff]

No one would test that until she come to global really

[meager iris]

are you sure

[visual topaz]

maybe top 4 then

[buoyant hornet]

We do get some extra bc + we get wep banner calibration earlier so there's that

[dapper skiff]

Cn or any other server players are too arrogant lazy to test something like that stupid invest

[split sail]

maybe if we ask someone like snazz really nicely

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah that's the thing lol we'll have to test it ourselves

[meager iris]

yeah cuz 2 days before reset it was top 3

[buoyant hornet]

yeaaah

[meager iris]

Idk if this changed

[woven haven]

and then no one can carry heisen

[visual topaz]

wait i recalled oleksio 1-5%

[woven haven]

so again its a lose lose either way

[visual topaz]

i'll ask again

[split sail]

i'm just gonna keep pulling for sigs until one day i run out of BC to pull new debut units and i'll cope until next anni or std selector or smth

[woven haven]

if you have sig there’s no point running garn
if you don’t have sig there’s no one who can run heisen

[meager iris]

oh yeah he got the title so it was top5

[woven haven]

[meager iris]

nice eu not dead yet

[cold walrus]

ss0 solo nana can 5500k in wz. i saw it somewhere at bili

[visual topaz]

@opal forge did you got 1-5% or 1% onslaught

ow nvm

pinged too late

[buoyant hornet]

yeah unless you have harmo amplifier or something but that's still sacrificing guin

[split sail]

hope my nonf2p ticket/BC backlog holds out

[dapper skiff]

U gotta love how people keep telling "this unit is unplayable without this" "this unit is trash without this reso"

And then global release, come and we managed to find it's not even THAT bad and feasible in a sense it's enough for global standard to retain to get what u needed

[buoyant hornet]

F2p struggles lmao

[dapper skiff]

Like what were we even aiming before

[split sail]

yeah def a bit annoying

[dapper skiff]

Legend retain?

[visual topaz]

sigless Luna feels horrible to play

[dapper skiff]

[visual topaz]

i pulled her sig and gave dlt last wz rot

[split sail]

esp with the standards much easier with less whales and malders now

[buoyant hornet]

Tbh yeah this is always what happens except with oblivion and solo qu so far LMAO

[meager iris]

so this is oleksio

[opal forge]

ye, this is your fellow bracket malder

nice dark score btw

[meager iris]

lmao

I'm still malding fire

[dapper skiff]

Let's face it

Global is too shafted to use majority of these Dalao standard invest just to be "enough"

clueless

[meager iris]

iza and merlin ate the retain no way we can get it

[opal forge]

always those uber whales

[visual topaz]

naur

[meager iris]

[visual topaz]

Merlin malds?

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao yeah

[opal forge]

merlin tries from time to time

[meager iris]

he got s+ and got s+ score we can't get it with sss

[woven haven]

I mean cn players will talk about cn standards

[abstract heron]

simulated siege goes hard

[visual topaz]

damn

fish orb dmg be gaping hard

[opal forge]

dark is straighforward, fire is a cope tho

[visual topaz]

i didn't know until i wanted to ping him in MH discord

[meager iris]

yea I'm still coping hoping to damage 22

[visual topaz]

and recognized the nick earlier

[woven haven]

You want to lower it to glb standards that’s another thing entirely

In cn during qu patch
ss3 lee vs ss0 lee was enough to decide between retain hero and promote legend

[meager iris]

good to know the malders in eu

[split sail]

which is good to know, but not "unplayable"

[woven haven]

Assuming you had sss empy and ss0-ss3 wata

[opal forge]

i got really lucky with this one, i was 5th and 1-5 up till hours before reset lol, then miracle happened

[visual topaz]

here in glb they skipped hyperreal, so to check whether or not you stay in hero you just look at their skin ownership

[woven haven]

see my point of unplayable is how the devs designed basic rotations

[visual topaz]

so 1%?

[opal forge]

also i gapped eru by 66 points

yes

[visual topaz]

dalao

[woven haven]

and how achievable is it to maximise your field time with said rotation without running out of resources

[meager iris]

damn that was so close

[split sail]

ss3 lee has nothing to do with basic rotations, just more dmg

[woven haven]

yeah what i mean is ss3 lee isn’t one of those

[visual topaz]

Merlin fire not maxed

Erua near same fire score with SSS

[meager iris]

yeah but still I can't reach it

[woven haven]

But when you compare sigless lee to sig

[visual topaz]

Dark you can give up

[woven haven]

you can feel the difference very clearly

[visual topaz]

too much dmg boost with S+ fish

[opal forge]

i didn't even plan to do so i was like, void 14s seems too maldy, let me 24 ice ast least, got 23 somehow

[meager iris]

he has sss3 hyperreal

[visual topaz]

wait

you got SSS0?

[woven haven]

Between needing to ping pre core vs being able to spam pings in core and ult asap

[opal forge]

literally tried a couple of hours to get 24s, failed, returned and on 2nd try got 23

[meager iris]

yeah

[opal forge]

bizarre game

[woven haven]

So yes no sig hyper is very much “massive difference” in my eyes

[buoyant hornet]

is there any reason to harmonize alisa on the baby account before hanying is out?

Or do I just harmo oblivion instead

[visual topaz]

Naur

[buoyant hornet]

For reference she's the only real phys unit i have rn lmao

Not even entropoop because my old selector got bugged and didn't show up

[woven haven]

Wata sig is unplayable difference to me because 3+3 double ult within amp passive which is the simplest rotation is unachievable without sig on a consistent basis

[visual topaz]

Flare SS0 Hyperreal

[meager iris]

I didn't even bother with ice just rng lightning

[woven haven]

qu and luna sigs are self explanatory

[meager iris]

it was hell

[visual topaz]

dark be carrying hard

[woven haven]

Hanying’s need for double ult is dlt + ideally the ss3 orbs

and then there’s the trueslash problem too

[meager iris]

this is lemo I will try to get same fire

[buoyant hornet]

It's definitely a huge score difference

[woven haven]

i believe @rocky wedge can talk about ss0 hanying ts

And how jank the numbers are

when balter isn’t getting full stacks even

[buoyant hornet]

Tbh in glb the affixes will probably be easier since less players are actually meta but getting in whale bracket does mean you're kinda fcked

[woven haven]

to get the bare minimum max 150 stack 10 insight balter ult consistently

you need ss3 hanying and sss balter
which
why tf do you design stacks that high to be unattainable without those ranks

[buoyant hornet]

unless said whales can't even understand affix which is often the case LMAO

[woven haven]

Yea but i’m talking cn perspective where affix competition is very healthy

[foggy ridge]

yikes

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah makes sense

[distant wren]

yeah while i wouldn't say ss0 no dlt is "unplayable" it def feels like ass

[buoyant hornet]

Can't even crack 2m because no hyperreal lol

[woven haven]

if you lower it to GLB standards like kurai overly does then you can literally play naked and still win in hero and legend

[distant wren]

L kusogame for sure

[foggy ridge]

i got onset dementia trying to do fire rot cause of void wata

[woven haven]

i mean you can do single ult hanying but double ult just stretches her dmg and time so efficiently

[visual topaz]

U got 3 harmo fire?

[meager iris]

yea

[visual topaz]

[split sail]

just gotta play against other ss0 havers

[woven haven]

and single ult will have a different swap rotation

[meager iris]

just 50k difference

[buoyant hornet]

tbh with synchro a lot of units' need for sig does last a lot shorter thankfully

like qu for example

[foggy ridge]

wait a sec i think these are sss gamers for fire

[buoyant hornet]

But luna will probably stay dependent on sig completely lmao

[glass edge]

Another boring wz day 😩

[woven haven]

And then if you talk about lucia/ishmael/selena whose sigs directly give orbs

then lmao

[buoyant hornet]

unless new void unit makes her not rotate or something

[woven haven]

have fun with that

[buoyant hornet]

Problem is kuro made sigs so impactful but the f2p bc income is only slightly higher

If they did something to actually compensate to some degree i'd be fine but no

And harmo really solidified the problem

[split sail]

anyone know what the heck is up with the onslaught mems after Ish drops?

[woven haven]

like
SS0 no DLT ishmael is “fine” by my standards
its a workable rotation
its not unplayable per se
then you look over at ss3+ with dlt rotations and the absolutely insane dmg difference in the same window

but then sigless ish is…

[split sail]

when you say abolutely insane dmg difference can you quatinfy that in WZ score or PPC time diffs

or even PPC boss bars

we talking 3? 5? 10? 15?

[woven haven]

ss0 ish with dlt can double ult within amp window
ss3+ ish pre nerf could 4ult within amp window

[buoyant hornet]

I wonder if sigless ish can manage double rot consistently without sig if we ignore the shred loss lol

[split sail]

when accounting for other buff timers is that +50-75% more dmg then? not a full 100% i believe

[woven haven]

-6 orbs
-10 shred
-15% edb from harmo cottie
-dlt access

[prime sigil]

whats better to use to buy wafers?

[buoyant hornet]

It's just leaps

[split sail]

sigless ppl dont have dlt access as soething they can afford to think abt

[barren plank]

While I don't have a good visualization, you're losing insane amounts of 3pings, as well huge damage from the loss of the class passive buff
And that's just the weapon passive alone, not to mentions resos+harmo

[woven haven]

Honestly idk because you’d need to find someone test ss0 and then ss3 in the same rot

[woven haven]

Its just an unbeatable difference

[split sail]

i mean, there's some Lazzzzy ass ppl out there

[woven haven]

a good ss0 ishmael player cannot ever match ss3 ishmael players with similar skills really

Lazy people is another thing entirely

[split sail]

no need to match ppl with similar skills

[prime sigil]

whats easier to obtain