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[woven haven]

affix is main element now

[livid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/burnice-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-burnice-burnice-dance-gif-11379222240900404037

[grand jay]

Her dmg in Ion eclipses her fire dmg

Higher mods overall go figure

[spiral merlin]

Eclipse you say

[grand jay]

She does get a pretty cracked QTE dmg buff

[spiral merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/lucia-pgr-lucia-lucia-pgr-punishing-gray-raven-gif-741177489596109576

[grand jay]

At SS3

[frail hinge]

Her animations are friggin cool man

[livid lark]

which eclipse

[spiral merlin]

Liv of course

[frail hinge]

How's playing fite team? Yall enjoy using fire?

[grand jay]

It's cool

[spiral merlin]

Fire is peak gameplay-wise

[grand jay]

I like it a lot

[spiral merlin]

So much so that I don't mind midcia

[frail hinge]

Ice is def fun cause wanshi right

[grand jay]

SSS Wata is kinda confusing to get around

[grand jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sopyues-beuwbs-typing-computer-confused-gif-21192040

[slender aurora]

i love the fire team

[frail hinge]

What about lightning?

It's a nanami fest though

[woven haven]

not even

[spiral merlin]

Nanami makes lightning fun yeah

[slender aurora]

for CR i run it down w fire every single time and its unironically enjoyable

[grand jay]

I'd honestly say Lightning is the most fun

[woven haven]

The higher mod is a symptom

[grand jay]

SSS that is

[frail hinge]

Ooo

[woven haven]

the real cause is that 6blue fills lucia core

but it takes 12red + BA for fire

[frail hinge]

Ooo whay about physical

Thaf element hasn't seen any action for a while now

How fun is physical

[woven haven]

[spiral merlin]

Phys is weird

[grand jay]

Alisa is holding that element back immensely

Otherwise Hanying is pretty cool

[spiral merlin]

Selena will fix it trust

[woven haven]

Alisa and Balt both

[grand jay]

She can do 2.5 rots which is pretty funny

[frail hinge]

Yea Alisa gets tiring to use

But fun wise hanying is good?

[woven haven]

Alisa no dps, sig mem prevents philip
Balter too short rotation, only really sss ult1 and ult2 do dmg now

[grand jay]

2022 Bianca called she wants her rot back

[frail hinge]

I like balter, she's just really satisfying to play

So that's
Lightning team: fun
Fire: fun
Ice: fun
Physical: kinda fun

Leaving void and dark

How's void wz now that Ishmael's a thing

[grand jay]

I'm pretty sure I've kinda answered this

[frail hinge]

Fun or unbearable to get through

[grand jay]

Long but kinda fun

[frail hinge]

Short term memory loss

[grand jay]

Ryr is sort of satisfying to pull off tbh

[frail hinge]

But ryr is gone (╥﹏╥)

[grand jay]

It's technically demanding yes but yk

Otherwise I'd say it's okay

Dark is incredibly dated atm

Although Lilith will be out after maintenance so we'll see how things go

[frail hinge]

The future of pgr looking bright if you ignore the big thunderstorm infront of it

[frail hinge]

The update's not live yet?

[grand jay]

No lol

Maintenance hit like 2 hours ago?

[frail hinge]

No wonder I haven't been able to see any lilith dark wz videos

[grand jay]

It's not live for another 4-5 hours

Yeah cuz she was in beta

[woven haven]

ooh live data

Interesting interesting

[frail hinge]

Aether talk to me!

[grand jay]

?

[frail hinge]

What live data

[grand jay]

Oh I think he meant he's intrigued to see how release goes

I'm pretty sure most of what the last beta had will carry over

No reason not to

Iirc it was 4pc sig and 4pc cottie for Dark Lilith

Then Ion Lilith is 4pc DV, 2pc Eins, 2pc Guin

[woven haven]

Nothing
you’ll find out

[grand jay]

Why do you feel the need to be so cryptic

https://tenor.com/view/mmm-good-smoke-cigarette-smoking-gif-15715252

[spiral merlin]

Get ready for completely reworked kit

[grand jay]

At least I haven't bought any mems

I also have 2 USBs with Lilith's name on it

That sig will be R2 day1!

Idk about SSS unless they give us shard packs

I doubt it though

[woven haven]

cuz kuro is cryptic about it

also the new clash reflection is called misinformation zone
i mean misconfiguration zone

[grand jay]

Oh wait there's new CR content???

I completely forgot tbh I was focused on the boss

[woven haven]

the replaced rotation is tifa nigel voodoo shark

whichever that one was

[grand jay]

Oh okay

Vera Interlude too

[river nymph]

[woven haven]

Anywaysssssss

[grand jay]

She's getting a new frame in 2025 lmao

Lightning amp hopefully

[woven haven]

The cryptic change is that

off field units with enough energy to ult will have have a much clearer visualisation on their energy bar

hmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder what that could be forrrrrrr

[foggy ridge]

lmao is all i can say

[spiral merlin]

Off field ults

Surely

[mighty tusk]

Surely it's not for the schizo

[river nymph]

qte bots able to ult during qte soon

[woven sable]

game bricked

[grand jay]

That could be bad for Lilith lmao

[woven sable]

now you can timestop while you timestop while you timestop

[grand jay]

She doesn't want to ult for Ion

[river nymph]

[woven haven]

there is an A rank who gains energy off field

and who has an auto ult function when swapping in

[river nymph]

[grand jay]

Teddy?

[river nymph]

[livid lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867718398208245761/1136499287451250800/ezgif-3-bc93a1482d.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979392387803672616/1249601037745000490/1717126070106.gif

[wise jasper]

sorry i made a mistake, i didnt use DLT but instead i use axial ray reso
also my video recorder so bad, cant see anything but screen tearing

[river nymph]

[shadow holly]

[mighty tusk]

Where tf is xeno getting those emotes

[foggy ridge]

wait even then? or does she need dlt i forgot

[livid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/no21-21-pgr-chaos-unsnarled-gif-10759477207559316596

[stray siren]

Lmao

[foggy ridge]

LIES

[livid lark]

you deny truth

[wise jasper]

if her orb stack is good prolly not, but this is all i can show
sry for bad quality

[mighty tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867718398208245761/1311730488154656922/1732729441713.gif

[grand jay]

I keep being reminded that I need to get her midsummer skin

The one with the denim outfit

Easily her best look

I should have gotten it when it came out but I left it till too late

Maybe during Selena's patch

[spiral merlin]

Do you not have ultima awaken or something

[proper loom]

how can Qu dodge attack be done exactly?

[wise jasper]

i did, but sometimes the orb placement just not good to get ult faster
especially in time limit content like ppc or warzone

[grand jay]

Trigger matrix (3ping 1ping if you have sig), then hold dodge

[spiral merlin]

You're clearly lacking some orbs tho

[proper loom]

got it

[foggy ridge]

weird. alisa doesnt need dlt for a full rot

unless you forgot to unlock this or sum

[wise jasper]

indeed, but like blank says
i should be more familiar with matrix dodge

[spiral merlin]

That helps but I'm pretty sure it should be doable still

[wise jasper]

i did have her on ss with sig harmo, just bad orb placement
if i could get 3 + 3 at the start probably more easier

[dapper skiff]

Judgement zone??

ORETACHI NO

JUDGEMENT

[grand jay]

Oh sht I forgot that Lilith wants DLT

[dapper skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-judgement-kiryu-trollers-gif-19813978

[foggy ridge]

the 3 ping dum-wait what this is a joke im not aware of

[grand jay]

Uggggh I need to get ANOTHER reso from somewhere

[foggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-credit-card-gif-16610102526061554398

[rose yew]

recycle wanshi sig

[foggy ridge]

the hell is yakuza about

[buoyant hornet]

Idk 95% of the time this doesn't happen to me I only remember very few instances of running out of orbs before ult

[turbid bridge]

Lilith shop has 3 weapon USBs

[buoyant hornet]

Is your Alisa SS or higher?

[foggy ridge]

you know what. its probably cuz ur switching to alisa first

make alisa starter, switch to balter first and do her rotation, then switch to either rosseta or alisa

[wise jasper]

only ss, cant afford to go further especially on the current speed up banner

[foggy ridge]

rosetta is more preferable so ur able to loop back to alisa so balter benefits from the class skill first

[buoyant hornet]

Also ideally you definitely wanna dodge cancel faster than this in most scenarios

Maybe for some reason slower dodge cancel causes her orbs to regen slower?

Idk lol I very rarely run into this issue even with 5* alisa

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah I was asking because sub SS she gets less orbs on spawn lol

[woven haven]

sounds like no ss alisa no ultima

[foggy ridge]

nah im pretty sure its the way he started. he started with rosetta, then switched to alisa after, which she wont have enough orbs cuz none of the units built it up for her in the background

[buoyant hornet]

Apparently she has both so I'm confused about why this is happening lol

[buoyant hornet]

Oh true

You generally wanna start with alisa anyway unless you're doing an ultra niche copium ppc rotation

[wise jasper]

maybe so, i just copied a guy from youtube for the ppc run
should i start with alisa ?

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah alisa starter almost always

[foggy ridge]

on most scenarios yes

[wise jasper]

got it

[buoyant hornet]

ss echo

[vale raft]

Alisa: Echo

Skill - SS

Decisive Omen

Level 1 - Unlocked at S5

Casting Imprisoning Co-Strike and Soulbreaking Co-Strike will activate all available QTEs.

Level 2 - Unlocked at SS

Gains a set of 3-Ping Orbs when switched in. While Judgment Zone is active, Extra DMG Bonus increases by 30%.

[foggy ridge]

i think that rotation you tried was a super niche rotation

[buoyant hornet]

Btw this norman rot is easy asf lol

Ig we just started out with a really painful affix in the new mine

[foggy ridge]

yeah no. if i didnt have ss3, switching to alisa first would definitely not work

[buoyant hornet]

The lasers were way too intrusive

[shadow holly]

so, swapping into Alisa first is only if ur using her as a dps for PPC

for WZ you start Alisa
so that on the first rot where you actually swap into her you have a 7+4 = 11 orbs jumpstart

[foggy ridge]

alisa dps pog

[buoyant hornet]

Exactly

[shadow holly]

SS3 not doing anything here anyway

[dapper skiff]

Yes

[buoyant hornet]

I had to use her as sub dps for copium redliv hell run 😭

[dapper skiff]

Japanese in steroids I'd say

Either steroids or pure rage powah

[foggy ridge]

holy hot damn balter without cottie is a different experience

[buoyant hornet]

Watch hanying kill hell redliv before her first rotation is even over

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah lol a bit more restrictive but I already always swapped between cottie set and leu+signa set so I got used to both

[foggy ridge]

im still a little used to being able to ult 1 in two 3x pings

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao yeah felt

Question just HOW much stronger is hanying compared to balter

Like is it similar to the difference between wata and hyperreal or is it milder than that

[spiral merlin]

It's not as massive as some other tank to attacker gaps

[foggy ridge]

with the gap between them probably yes

[spiral merlin]

Way milder

[foggy ridge]

oh?

[spiral merlin]

She might feel a bit underwhelming in that regard but don't let it fool you she's still strong

[foggy ridge]

dem trueslash zazas got her messed up huh

[foggy ridge]

is she strong enough to crush my head between her thighs?

[buoyant hornet]

So is hanying a big improvement for ppc or no?

[spiral merlin]

She could probably crush boulders let alone bones

[buoyant hornet]

Aka is her rotation flexibility better than balter for example?

[spiral merlin]

Balter is better for faster kills

[foggy ridge]

she does pack 2 mountains

[spiral merlin]

Squishy bosses that is

[buoyant hornet]

So I'm guessing if there's a boss that dies in one shortened balter rotation she's better but otherwise hanying is better?

[carmine mesa]

Wata v.s Lee in PPC is not funny, I got 8sec kills up to hell

[spiral merlin]

Generally yeah but there's probably some dumb exception I don't care about you'll have to ask the actual ppc players for that

[buoyant hornet]

For example chaos red liv and fushen my balter can't kill in one rot would hanying be better?

[spiral merlin]

Yeah hanying should be better for those

[carmine mesa]

Are you aiming for SS or SS3 Hanying?

[buoyant hornet]

I'm guessing it's mainly because her rots are more up to date with optimal time scores or something

[spiral merlin]

If you're not aiming for ss3 it's kurover

[carmine mesa]

Also, is your Alissa 3Sr2?

[buoyant hornet]

SS0 on her patch but depending on future CN releases she might get the ss3 from standard banner on ishmael patch

[rose yew]

guess I'll skip the entire physical team then

[spiral merlin]

Balter just has potentially a super fast rota

[foggy ridge]

im still debating due to the pack debacle

[buoyant hornet]

sss solacetune

[vale raft]

Hanying: Solacetune

Skill - SSS

A Magpie, Perched on the Branch

Level 1 - Unlocked at SS3

Gains 3 Signal Orbs every time Hanying: Solacetune enters the battlefield. While in Way of Strife, Extra DMG Bonus increases by 15%. Mingling Moon and Lantern effect applied by Hanying: Solacetune increases by 50%; Penetrating Pivot effect increases by 5%.

Level 2 - Unlocked at SSS

Base DMG amplifying effect from each consecutive cast of Azure Allure increases to 100%. While in Way of Strife, triggers a single cast of Phoenix Down upon completely filling Complex Time points inside Moonsong Realm. Extra DMG of Trueslash performed by Hanying: Solacetune increases by 100%. Penetrating Pivot effect applied by Hanying: Solacetune increases by 10%. Reduces swap cooldown of all party members by 3s; this cannot be stacked with other swap cooldown-reducing effects.

[foggy ridge]

be like me. skip the entire lightning team. then complain about lightning wzs

[frail hinge]

Oh...

I just went through the patch notes...

[foggy ridge]

which ones?

[frail hinge]

Yea no eos

[buoyant hornet]

So ss3 seems to mainly make her better functioning without cottie, better trueslash and extra shred

[buoyant hornet]

What notes

[frail hinge]

For synch plan

They just
Plan to have yall pay 3 times the amount

[spiral merlin]

Patton rights

[floral plover]

[frail hinge]

Thats
Uh
Wow

[foggy ridge]

oh for kr?

[tawdry grove]

for 1 serum how much time does it regenerate

[foggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-eos-catch-up-end-of-service-punishing-gray-raven-konosuba-gif-5460839736424477678

[frail hinge]

Oh no just
Uh
Idek where fray raven radio found them but from them

[buoyant hornet]

Does ss0 function without cottie at all or is she straight up mandatory

Or is cottie just needed for wz specifically?

[spiral merlin]

For wz you'll definitely want cottie

[foggy ridge]

oh wait the announcement before they acknowledged it?

[frail hinge]

I thought it was like the spenders where this huge elephant in rhe room that kuro ignored

[carmine mesa]

Assuming Sig and cub, even at SS, Hanying will outclass Balter, unless she is 3S.

[spiral merlin]

The balter comparison is at sss so the gap will be way bigger if you don't have sss balter

[buoyant hornet]

I love how until now I'm still not sure how Luna works at all lmao

[spiral merlin]

But really sss balter should be an inevitability

[foggy ridge]

if ur refering to this vid, just wait a bit more. kuro hasnt acknowledged the 3x pay just yet

[carmine mesa]

Other way around, cottie+Darwin for PPC, Patton for WZ.

[frail hinge]

They haven't?

[buoyant hornet]

For ss0?

[floral plover]

"he realized yall"

[frail hinge]

Wai where did Gr radio get that page from then

[foggy ridge]

the offical website

the literal announcement that sparked this controversy

[floral plover]

it was an announcement they made in their official page along with a video of solon saying the thing he values most is players and bla bla bla

[frail hinge]

I mean
they specifically said the price would not change but the bundle limit will be increased no?

[steady otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/991454621652488372/1313458868889714688/IzaSaveUs.gif

[carmine mesa]

Niche whel builds aside, Hanying has two builds, won't change until a gen 3 phys attacker arrives.

[frail hinge]

But you said kuro hadn't acknowledged it-

[buoyant hornet]

So tldr hanying will be a definitive major improvement to phys team but I shouldn't expect it to be as big of an improvement as wata's addition to fire team for example

[foggy ridge]

only the free bp scales its value. they have NOT said anything about the paid ones. just being able to buy it 2-3x times depending on how many patches is merged

[spiral merlin]

Pretty much

[floral plover]

people close to Kuro said they were giving the negative feedback about the stuff, and they thought kuro would change it
but, as kr patch notes arrived, everyone saw that they in fact, didn't changed anything

[spiral merlin]

Wata is just goated overtuned

[river nymph]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1120722010797002843/1126290763395903618/Sprite-0002.gif

[frail hinge]

THERES HOPE-

[carmine mesa]

If your Wata is SS, I think you can get a sense for the gap between Balter and Hanying

[frail hinge]

Maybe kr catches on fire for a little so kuro learns from their mistakesb

[floral plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1120722010797002843/1126290763395903618/Sprite-0002.gif

[buoyant hornet]

I just hope she makes phys wz less cancerous which ig will be the case since she actually does dmg without qte proc unlike balter lol

[foggy ridge]

https://x.com/PGR_GLOBAL/status/1863420235547808154 this was 2 weeks ago, them seeing the negative reception on the monetization. they have not said anything since

Punishing: Gray Raven (@PGR_GLOBAL) on X

Punishing: Gray Raven Integrated Version Info: Resources and Paid Content

Dear Commandants,

We deeply appreciate your attention on the Punishing: Gray Raven Global Version Synchronization Plan. Regarding the recent announcement of this plan, our team is aware that you have

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 3:09 AM

[carmine mesa]

KR did catch on fire, mods removed the discord post that was getting 🖕spammed

[river nymph]

imposter

[frail hinge]

Gr radio did bring up an issue tho

I'd kuro gives a discount the cn bros might get upset cause they paid full price

ez Solution
Give Them new discounts

[spiral merlin]

The problem with phys at the moment is that balter dmg is way too bursty

And she's the hard carry

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah he's ss

[spiral merlin]

Having consistent dmg with hanying will be very nice

[foggy ridge]

https://x.com/PGR_GLOBAL/status/1868605908000895036 like literally nothing they jsut dropped this 2 days ago

Punishing: Gray Raven (@PGR_GLOBAL) on X

Dear Commandants,

We have prepared the event calendar for the upcoming integrated version, Stars Ensnared. You can check out the image below for detailed information about future characters, coatings, and events. More wonderful content will debut in the new version, please stay

Twitter · Dec 16, 2024, 10:35 AM

[river nymph]

balter just sucks

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1120722010797002843/1126290763395903618/Sprite-0002.gif

[buoyant hornet]

Exactly it's hard to decide when to just ult or when to swap and save ult for later it's kinda annoying

Plus she's extremely reliant on perfect qte management to do any semblance of damage

[river nymph]

yes…

[floral plover]

[foggy ridge]

dont read the comments under that tweet they might give you brain damage

[river nymph]

[frail hinge]

Welp
let's wait and see

[buoyant hornet]

There's still a ton of details they haven't talked about yet

[foggy ridge]

all we can do

[frail hinge]

If kuro ends up losing a couple thousand dollars so be it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[river nymph]

where is liv leap

[carmine mesa]

Sadly so, global is not biting back as hard

[frail hinge]

Wuwa money will come through

This plan honestly would never have happened if not for wuwa money lmao

[foggy ridge]

f2ps trying to drag down the spenders to their level

[river nymph]

same

[foggy ridge]

nah its dmc collab trust

[buoyant hornet]

So hanying's dmg output isn't as backloaded as balter I think? Aka she does a lot of dmg before ult 2?

[distant wren]

kuro taking "pgr is f2p friendly" to the next level

[foggy ridge]

theres a different balter?

[frail hinge]

Dmc collab is thw reason but its wuwa money that makes the plan even remotely feasible lmao

[buoyant hornet]

LMFAO HELP I meantime hanying 💀

[foggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[frail hinge]

LMAO first gacha game to actually screw over its spenders before it's f2ps

[quiet lily]

hello chat, when eos announcement?

[distant wren]

yeah i think, her recommended mem resos is for core and not ult

[deft apex]

A few hours

[foggy ridge]

they probably did want to get the servers closer. dmc and wuwa was just a good excuse

[buoyant hornet]

Oh that's pretty interesting

[quiet lily]

[carmine mesa]

As had been said before, Kuro is trying to avoid CN backlash from giving us good return on RC, and future global backlash from prices returning to normal post synchronization.

[buoyant hornet]

core solacetune

[river nymph]

is cn patch up yet?

[vale raft]

Hanying: Solacetune

Skill - Core Passive (Lv. 18)

Celestial Cadence - Azure Allure
Trigger: Way of Strife + 30 Complex Time + Tap Signature Move

Basic Attacks and Signal Orb skills grant Complex Time. Maximum points of Complex Time: 120. Tap Signature Move while in Way of Strife to consume 30 points of Complex Time to unleash Azure Allure and deal Physical DMG to the target. This skill can trigger Trueslash when it hits the target.

While performing this skill, Hanying: Solacetune gains Super Armor and can evade incoming attacks. When performed consecutively, the Base DMG of Azure Allure increases by 50% every cast. This effect can stack up to twice, and subsequent casts of Azure Allure will retain the maximum multiplier after the Base DMG increase effect reaches the maximum value.

Gain 5 Signature Energy upon performing this skill. When performed consecutively, the amount of Signature Energy granted by this skill doubles every cast. The maximum value of Signature Energy granted by a single cast of this skill is 40.

• Azure Allure deals 300.0% Physical DMG; triggers Trueslash when this skill hits the target.
• Lavish Azure Allure: If performed with maximum points of Complex Time, trigger Phoenix Down once.
• Sonorous Azure Allure: Upon performing the fourth move of the Basic Attack sequence or a Blue 3-Ping, the Seal of Flow will briefly appear. Performing Azure Allure while the Seal of Flow is present causes a double to attack the target together, dealing 150.0% Trueslash DMG.

3/6

[quiet lily]

ayo

[river nymph]

[distant wren]

it's azure allure if you're looking for it @buoyant hornet

the tap ult part

[quartz dove]

Its fine kuro still cooking

[spiral merlin]

God Hanying descriptions are so dumb

[uncut marsh]

Any idea why I can't follow spider's rotationfor Qu? https://youtu.be/_FMGH59zlA0?si=u0VEvFGvRDmmvD4S&t=129

[frail hinge]

I don't want the whales unhappy man they pay kuro so I don't feel bad not doing so (;_;)

[spiral merlin]

Azure allure
Lavish azure allure
Sonorous azure allure

[uncut marsh]

I got 6 star weapon, but holding doge doesnt seem to proc the matrix?

[river nymph]

sounds cool

[distant wren]

does she even ever use sonorous lmao?

[quartz dove]

The onlly allure is her rack

[river nymph]

what

[buoyant hornet]

It's so confusing even more than usual for kuro

[sly geyser]

under maintenance

[river nymph]

whre my lilick

[carmine mesa]

It only works after swap in, ping one orb, matrix should trigger, hold dodge

[spiral merlin]

Think so when you do a blue 3 ping

[river nymph]

[spiral merlin]

And the way Hanying triggers matrix is also so dumb

[quartz dove]

Horrible tank

[distant wren]

yep, accidentally triggering matrix on first rot before ult1 = bricked rot

[river nymph]

she is a great tank

map wide tank shred

[distant wren]

and her yellow has auto dodge lmao

[buoyant hornet]

Why

[spiral merlin]

To trigger lavish azure allure you trigger azure allure with full gauge
To trigger azure allure you tap ult
To trigger phoenix down you trigger lavish azure allure
To trigger matrix you trigger azure allure in phoenix down

[buoyant hornet]

Btw does hanying have any off field shred?

Also wanshi

[river nymph]

yes

[distant wren]

the description lmao

[spiral merlin]

It's so dumb

[buoyant hornet]

Oh wait that's amazing lol so even balter's rot becomes more consistent then

[uncut marsh]

That's the thing, I swap into her, I ping an orb and poof nothing happens, no matrix

[buoyant hornet]

Trying not to get an aneurysm reading this

[carmine mesa]

Is matrix triggering?

[uncut marsh]

Nope

[dapper skiff]

U need ss for 1 orb matrix

[distant wren]

you don't have signature wep?

[buoyant hornet]

Are you sure you equipped the weapon

[uncut marsh]

Yeah she is ss and has 6 star weapon

[dapper skiff]

Without ss u have to 3+1

[dapper skiff]

Then you're too far from the target

[turbid bridge]

I think he’s not close enough to target to trigger swap in skill

[uncut marsh]

Hmm

[dapper skiff]

It has to be swap attack

[spiral merlin]

Her core activates another core that activates another core that triggers matrix because you activated core

[quiet lily]

[uncut marsh]

Ty works

[quiet lily]

machi pov

[buoyant hornet]

Because entry attack (only happens when there's a locked-on target) is a 3ping, that's why at SS + sig you only need another single orb ping after entry to trigger core

[buoyant hornet]

And they all basically have the same name

[sly geyser]

holding dodge doesn't proc matrix, it's when ur in matrix that u can do the hold dodge core

if u have the 6* weapon doing 3+1 is enough to trigger matrix

[cinder turtle]

What is cw role when nanaknight comes? qte bot?

[floral plover]

sss qte bot (and small rots in wz), less than sss out of the team

[buoyant hornet]

She swaps at SSS

[floral plover]

I forgot that part

mybad

[buoyant hornet]

Otherwise she's qte bot ig

[distant wren]

qte bot if sss leap cw but no or poorly invested feral
can be sub dps if at least sss0 leap cw + signature harmo r2 feral or above

[shadow holly]

(if SSS feral)

[distant wren]

if cw's not even sss with leap then she's not even qte bot

[buoyant hornet]

Lightning team is the new dark team

[distant wren]

just kicked out of lightning completely

[foggy ridge]

i want to witness cws downfall even with the potential eos

[buoyant hornet]

Dark team slowly beating the absurd minimum invest requirements for swap

[shadow holly]

and no one feels bad one bit except for cw solo mains

[distant wren]

[cinder turtle]

then who to use instead of her if not sss

[buoyant hornet]

I was hoping to experience cw in rotations instead of solo but ig not 😭

[thorn creek]

HUH

[foggy ridge]

huh

[distant wren]

solo is never good
whether it's cw or nanami

[foggy ridge]

idk feral and garnet as qte bots or something

[spiral merlin]

Solo nanami is good

[distant wren]

no

[floral plover]

either garnet or another amp I think

[foggy ridge]

or feral and another amp

[buoyant hornet]

I heard it was the only way to go if ss0 team but I'll have to test it myself when she arrives

[thorn creek]

Or

[distant wren]

you guys: solo inserts char i'm biased for is good

[foggy ridge]

maybe dust our ur luminance out of retirement as qte bot if you have her

[thorn creek]

Just solo Nanami

[shadow holly]

you can use garnet to offload the shred reso onto her and have other stuff on nanami (or also to benefit from class resos)

or honestly whatever
SSS Scire could work too because EDR shred

[spiral merlin]

The thing is nanami feels good to solo

[carmine mesa]

Fully resonated dark feels nice, my light team is pain.

[spiral merlin]

It's simple and it's easy and it works

Performs better than swap for a lot of cases

[buoyant hornet]

Requiring an SSS amp and SS3 + sig tank just to rotate is a bit much imo 😭

[distant wren]

i mean, sure different units can still feel good or horrible when solo
but solo as a whole is just boring af for me
no matter how good it is

[carmine mesa]

At least SS lamia with sig can do solo very well.

[floral plover]

sss r3 harmo fully ht bare minimum for selena

[foggy ridge]

i thought sss3 daren is needed to swap rot am i wrong? lmao

[shadow holly]

and funnily enough outside of really tanky zones (so mainly legend) solo can perform quite close to swap
while overall needing much lower invest

[distant wren]

but we all know how much ppl here hate cw so

[stuck sphinx]

Solo qj

[shadow holly]

mfs when qj starts using support attacks on her own attacks

[foggy ridge]

solo alisa

[raw swift]

Hi i just starting play PGR what character should i target to pull? ( preferably male chara XD )

[buoyant hornet]

True lmao I'm glad lilith is changing dark team to allow rotations even without needing ss3 daren

[thorn creek]

Male = no rights. Sorry buddy

[distant wren]

for current dark team in glb? ss3 with dlt is enough, provided you have sss sig capri as well

[buoyant hornet]

• dlt lol

[spiral merlin]

Wata has rights

[foggy ridge]

damn what the hell am i smoking then

[carmine mesa]

From the base banner, blue tickets, you can wait till the 10/1/2025, and grab Watanabe epitpah, male fire tank.

[buoyant hornet]

She does have a copium consistent solo rotation without dlt but the dmg output is ☠️

[floral plover]

that's more of an opinion but I do share it, with nanami is an argument that solo is better since she is easy to use and is self sustained without issue, unlike for example Lamia than, she's able to solo, but you can't do the 3x3 tidal most of the time

[shadow holly]

rn the debut char you should be pulling is female, but you can get Watanabe Epitaph next patch from standard banner

so save your blue tickets you get

preferably you should be pulling all new units and you can guarantee getting all of them but if you're very casual then it's whatever
but the only other male char we have in the foreseeable future will be obtainable for free from dorm commissions anyway so

[distant wren]

tho i will say ss3 still wants to bait matrix 1-2 times for surefire 3 stacks bonk

[cinder turtle]

so I only have s cw rn no cub no sig should I give her a CUB or endure low scores light zone?

[raw swift]

I see. Okie ty info

[floral plover]

finally someone who likes dudes

[spiral merlin]

Endure low scores, cub is free later

[barren plank]

No there are way more important things to get, pull new Qu rn

[foggy ridge]

even at sss3 dlt i still hit 2 3x pings 1/3 times

[cinder turtle]

yeah I got her already

[distant wren]

it's not guaranteed 4x everytime?

[carmine mesa]

That being said, I'll echo what trs said, you do want to grab the current debut S rank, Qu Shukra.

[buoyant hornet]

Pull Qu Shukra from debut banner using your black cards/yellow tickets but for standard blue ticket banner, wait for next patch to get Watanabe epitaph

[barren plank]

Alright save for Luna then

[cinder turtle]

I played for a few months but just consider if I should invest in her now

[foggy ridge]

not unless you matrix i think, or if your far in your rotations

[shadow holly]

ngl i never ever have any issues getting 3x3
idk why others have problems with that

[barren plank]

Nah CW's value only goes down from here, just wait for new Nanami

[cinder turtle]

kay

[cinder turtle]

okay ty

[distant wren]

yeah cause you're dalao baiting matrix easily

[shadow holly]

I never bait matrix

[stuck sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/861180710508036096.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=DalaoSmash

[buoyant hornet]

Funny enough sigless cubless cw is better off rotating with 5* feral and 5-6* garnet if all 3 are ss0

[woven haven]

cw sig and cub is also free so its kind of a waste to even roll for them

[distant wren]

how tf
bro has orb rng hax

[shadow holly]

it just works
idk

[raw swift]

I see. Understood. Oh yeah i heard we can get the new chara for free is he strong? It is what that actually make me start pgr

[buoyant hornet]

Yes wanshi is stronk (and he's beautiful and hot and-)

[shadow holly]

he'll be the meta ice tank, the sub DPS for qu Shukra the current debut character

yes he's good

[distant wren]

gonna report trs to kuro for hacking the game

[raw swift]

Haha we are the rare one in gacha game 🤣

[foggy ridge]

yeh pretty sure you need some serious luck in order to hit a 4x3 in ur first swap rot

[buoyant hornet]

Real

[cinder turtle]

I start playing on fish patch so yeah no feral and garnet for me

[barren plank]

Yea and he's actually really good

[buoyant hornet]

Well might just wanna cope with bad lightning then until nanaknight

[raw swift]

So the main dps is qu shukra and the sub dps is wanshi? Mean if i want to play wanshi i better pull shukra?

[foggy ridge]

pretty sure he makes the ice teams life much easier so yeah

[barren plank]

Yea pretty much, you need every new S-rank that comes out

[carmine mesa]

He is a good sleepy boy.

[floral plover]

as trs said, try to get Qu (current character) and her sig if you can to have Wanshi (the white haired one) in his best team

[buoyant hornet]

Exactly they need each other to make the ice team work well

[buoyant hornet]

Exactly

[raw swift]

Okie understood. Thank you everyone

[foggy ridge]

just dont pull cw

[floral plover]

yourwelcome

[shadow holly]

yes and as I said you can guarantee getting all new units anyway so there's no real reason skip chars

[buoyant hornet]

Lmaoooo

[opaque ridge]

Why not

[floral plover]

skip hanying tho
||jk||

[foggy ridge]

altera the brick making master

[raw swift]

Eeeh really? Wow pgr the best XD

[barren plank]

Who's gonna tell him

[buoyant hornet]

I'm skipping lucia and hanying to get gacha coating

[foggy ridge]

also hold off on spending in this game. situation is not so good for spenders if kuro decides to go forward with their plans

[opaque ridge]

Skip hanying because i have rosetta already

[barren plank]

Situation bad for F2P too ngl, tho it was bad before too

[spiral merlin]

idk about bad

Just same as before which ig yeah not good

[floral plover]

let ma bro be

[buoyant hornet]

Nah we're gonna climb the leaderboard once sync starts

[foggy ridge]

i mean you gotta be even more active but ur kinda expected to do that as a f2p anyway :P

[opaque ridge]

Finally f2p has rights

[shadow mica]

If anything f2p are better off. 6 week patches vs the previous 5 week, + free compensations

[barren plank]

Barely being able to afford sig weapons (if at all) is big yikes
I've become so annoyed of all these Twittards going "Oh yea we eating good w sync" bro no ur just as screwed as before

[spiral merlin]

Miss 1 day = death

[floral plover]

everyone will have to learn how to play S 5* from now on

[buoyant hornet]

Whels gonna have to get used to ss0 sigless characters with some sigs every now and then

[distant wren]

i think it'd only be bad if they skip their dailies/weeklies
and maybe on weeks that ppc/wz are on their weak teams

[raw swift]

Aaah i heard that they want to speed up global to same as cn?

[shadow holly]

the tradeoff is sigs being incredibly important
but if you're casual you probably won't care too much

[foggy ridge]

yeah. the way theyre gonna handle monetization during it is uh questionable rn

[barren plank]

Yes but spenders got fcked, no discounts to packs, just the option to by multiple simultaneously
So spenders have to spend 2-3x much for essentially the same amount of stuff in the same time frame as before

[buoyant hornet]

Sync is gonna make skill-less whels drop down to leader wz and struggle to retain it

[foggy ridge]

that means im gonna have to fight more 3s cws dammit

[buoyant hornet]

😭😭😭😭

[raw swift]

Uwaaa. I read somewhere that kuro gonna compensate tho.

[foggy ridge]

TBAT AINT A GOOD THING

[quiet lily]

not if youre in asia

[barren plank]

They aren't for spenders, they are only compensating the basic rewards that everyone gets

Packs get no change

[foggy ridge]

they havent followed up about it just yet. were all just here waiting to see if kuro finally responds or not :v

[shadow holly]

[distant wren]

it's really funny that the idiots defending this paid plan just:

• log in like a week every new patch
• don't spend any money

but for some reason they think they are the "true fans" lmao

[buoyant hornet]

I'm in NA and I can safely say many players in hero wz are hard carried by their invest instead of skill lol

[floral plover]

let the newbie enjoy the game yall

[raw swift]

Uwaah. So it is not gonna be so good for spender for this few month?

[shadow holly]

imo it's better to make them aware before they spend any money

[buoyant hornet]

No reason a person with sss lamia sss+ capri sss Daren should be getting comparable scores to my ss0 r1 solo lamia

[foggy ridge]

im getting my ass regularly handed to ss users tho hows that?

[floral plover]

but yeah they basically said "pay for 3mpas and 3bps to keep up in meta"

[buoyant hornet]

Emphasis on skill 😭

[foggy ridge]

oh wait i just answered my question i suck

[barren plank]

Then just quit and sell your account , if you are rattled over something like this, you where never a real pgr fan, enjoy missing Vergil and Dante, you will cry like those people who missed nier team and are cooping that bianca stigmata is better than 2B which is just a legitimate lie honestly.

[buoyant hornet]

I outrank a lot of spenders without trying 💀

[floral plover]

true

[distant wren]

Then just quit and sell your account , if you are rattled over something like this, you where never a real pgr fan, enjoy missing Vergil and Dante, you will cry like those people who missed nier team and are cooping that bianca stigmata is better than 2B which is just a legitimate lie honestly.

[foggy ridge]

i want this as a pasta now

Then just quit and sell your account , if you are rattled over something like this, you where never a real pgr fan, enjoy missing Vergil and Dante, you will cry like those people who missed nier team and are cooping that bianca stigmata is better than 2B which is just a legitimate lie honestly.

[raw swift]

Well i am very light spender tho so i am thankful for their information as ot might screw me up if they don't tell me😅

[rose yew]

Then just quit and sell your account , if you are rattled over something like this, you where never a real pgr fan, enjoy missing Vergil and Dante, you will cry like those people who missed nier team and are cooping that bianca stigmata is better than 2B which is just a legitimate lie honestly.

[shadow holly]

let's be real, it's not gonna be "not so good" it's just straight up bad because you're getting at best half the value compared to how it was normally

and on next patch specifically, with 3 patches merged into one, 1/3 the value

[opaque ridge]

Then just quit and sell your account , if you are rattled over something like this, you where never a real pgr fan, enjoy missing Vergil and Dante, you will cry like those people who missed nier team and are cooping that bianca stigmata is better than 2B which is just a legitimate lie honestly.

[quiet lily]

Then just quit and sell your account , if you are rattled over something like this, you where never a real pgr fan, enjoy missing Vergil and Dante, you will cry like those people who missed nier team and are cooping that bianca stigmata is better than 2B which is just a legitimate lie honestly.

[civic atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1311264013488754698/4E98D0820839597BA04D249E45B1FD62.gif

[shadow holly]

什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 Free Global 什么他妈 的随机胡言乱语The PGR Global Server protests of 2024 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 The Google play Review Massacre 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 18$ Monthly pass 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语The Anti-Whale Struggle 什么他妈的随机胡言乱 语 Global Human Rights 操你自己 Multi-patch system 操你自己 Ezra the discord mod去他妈的 acceleration drama

自己翻译这个
Nothing happened in 16 December 2024
Global is not a server

[distant wren]

什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 Free Global 什么他妈 的随机胡言乱语The PGR Global Server protests of 2024 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 The Google play Review Massacre 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 18$ Monthly pass 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语The Anti-Whale Struggle 什么他妈的随机胡言乱 语 Global Human Rights 操你自己 Multi-patch system 操你自己 Ezra the discord mod去他妈的 acceleration drama

自己翻译这个
Nothing happened in 16 December 2024
Global is not a server

[quiet lily]

什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 Free Global 什么他妈 的随机胡言乱语The PGR Global Server protests of 2024 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 The Google play Review Massacre 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 18$ Monthly pass 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语The Anti-Whale Struggle 什么他妈的随机胡言乱 语 Global Human Rights 操你自己 Multi-patch system 操你自己 Ezra the discord mod去他妈的 acceleration drama

自己翻译这个
Nothing happened in 16 December 2024
Global is not a server

[foggy ridge]

什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 Free Global 什么他妈 的随机胡言乱语The PGR Global Server protests of 2024 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 The Google play Review Massacre 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语 18$ Monthly pass 什么他妈的随机胡言乱语The Anti-Whale Struggle 什么他妈的随机胡言乱 语 Global Human Rights 操你自己 Multi-patch system 操你自己

Ezra the discord mod

去他妈的 acceleration drama

自己翻译这个
Nothing happened in 16 December 2024
Global is not a server

[barren plank]

This game was and still is super fun and engaging with the captivating story and insanely fun and fast combat. But this game is no longer supportive and accessible like it once was, and it shows.

Before, at maximum, units needed only SS to be functional, of which is obtainable for free. However, now, you are required to have signature weapon with at least one resonance + harmonization, maxed out SS cub, and in a lot of cases, SS3 or even SSS as well for certain voucherable units. The future introduction of affixes into the game only further exacerbates this problem , as well as the devs increasingly creating innate nerfs to new characters' core passives units in order to require SS3 more and more often, at a pace that most people cant keep up with.

This however, isn't even the end of it, because now with synchronization, your money, if you choose to spend, is now only a fraction of what it used to be. Synchronization, motivated by shallow reasoning from the “community,” (which is really a convenient excuse for them to find a way to save money for licensing costs for collabs,) aims to get global servers and other regions on the same schedule as China. However in doing so, they shortened patches to do this without proper compensation for spenders. They, now thanks to the new system, do not have discounted packs, battlepasses, or monthlies, nor do they get more for their cost; instead, they are solely given the option to buy multiple in bulk for the same previous unit price. Essentially, spenders, particular lower end ones with small budgets, now have to pay 2-3x as quickly to get THE SAME AMOUNT. UNBELIEVABLE! Where before, spending just Monthly A+BP was enough to sustain most people, everyone is left shafted, unless you are some millionaire heir with a trust fund.

Overall, this game has fallen very fall from its promise to be an accommodating, affordable gacha game in the past 1.5 years, and I hope they can come back to their senses before it's too late.

[shadow holly]

[quiet lily]

mf bold

[spiral merlin]

Not ezra catching a stray 💀

[shadow holly]

sheesh that's a long one

[foggy ridge]

apologies in advance on what ur witnessing aswell btw

[distant wren]

who made that one pasta with ezra lmao

[barren plank]

I wrote it btw

[barren plank]

You have a past history of being peanut gallery for people asking questions, have been called the misinformation mod before, and you're clearly being peanut gallery again saying your brain hurts twice out of nowhere just because I don't understand how to efficiently burn vouchers. I will say it again, I do not care that you're a mod, go back to general. I will happily bring you up to an admin if you want to escalate.

[buoyant hornet]

Ezra getting whacked out of nowhere 😭

[foggy ridge]

hell you expect me to do he was listed there aswell

[quiet lily]

deserved

[mighty tusk]

That's a you problem my guy, I've been F2P since day 1of global alumch of the game and didn't spend a single penny on the game, yet I still managed to get 3 SS maxed out characters (Lucia plume, Lucia Crimsoon abyss, and Liv Luminance)

[barren plank]

Oops sorry for spelling Virgil's name wrong, but what you fail to understand is that these collab charecters are hype. Anyone who misses out on them will truly cry when they miss the collab. Even as we speak they are people that cry bitterly knowing that they missed the neir collab, and they cope so hard and claim that bianca stigmata is better than 2b in physical. Imagine how much more they will cry when they scroll to Vergil but can't select him. Stop pretending, this will be the most talked about collab in gaming history. No one wants to miss out on gaming history

[quiet lily]

Then leave instead of complaining, ∴ᒷ ↸𝙹リ'ℸ ̣ リᒷᒷ↸ |𝙹⚍∷ ᒲ𝙹リᒷ| ᔑリ|∴ᔑ|, ⊣𝙹 !¡ꖎᔑ| ⊣ᒷリᓭ⍑╎リ 𝙹∷ aᒷℸ ̣ ⍑ᒷ∷ ⊣ᔑᒷ⨅ᒷ∷ ʖ⚍ℸ ̣ , ↸𝙹リ'ℸ ̣ ᓵ∷| ∴⍑ᒷリ |𝙹⚍ ᒲ╎ᓭᓭ vᒷ∷⊣╎ꖎ ᔑリ↸ ↸ᔑリℸ ̣ ᒷ. Y𝙹⚍ ∴╎ꖎꖎ ᓵ∷| ꖎ╎ꖌᒷ ℸ ̣ ⍑𝙹ᓭᒷ !¡ᒷ𝙹!¡ꖎᒷ ∴⍑𝙹 ᒲ╎ᓭᓭᒷ↸ リ╎ᒷ∷ ℸ ̣ ᒷᔑᒲ ᔑリ↸ ᓭℸ ̣ ╎ꖎꖎ ℸ ̣ ⍑╎リꖌ ℸ ̣ ⍑ᔑℸ ̣ ʖ╎ᔑリᓵᔑ ᓭℸ ̣ ╎⊣ᒲᔑℸ ̣ ᔑ ╎ᓭ ʖᒷℸ ̣ ℸ ̣ ᒷ∷ ℸ ̣ ⍑ᔑリ 2b, ∴⍑╎ᓵ⍑ ╎ᓭ ⋮⚍ᓭℸ ̣ ᔑ ꖎᒷ⊣╎ℸ ̣ ╎ᒲᔑℸ ̣ ᒷ ꖎ╎ᒷ ⍑𝙹リᒷᓭℸ ̣ ꖎ||.

[barren plank]

Bro speaking enchantment table

[raw swift]

What is this? 😅

[foggy ridge]

ok minecraft enchantment table looking headass

[opaque ridge]

Hello new player here, whats going on?

[buoyant hornet]

Can't wait to skip ishmael and nanaknight to pull sssss+ virgeel

[foggy ridge]

what global synchro does to a man

[quiet lily]

autobot language

[carmine mesa]

I'm not f2p, but even as a gold fish, I can outplay some EU whels, makes me wonder if they just one tap and dip.

[distant wren]

hello new player, send me your credit card information so i can top up rc for you

[raw swift]

[opaque ridge]

I dont top up for a dead game

[quiet lily]

[buoyant hornet]

They definitely either onetap or just try but don't understand the game's mechanics well

[foggy ridge]

can i have ur godamn opponents? im out here fighting for my life against the shadow people behind the 7/11 parking lot

[shadow holly]

thankfully CN still not dead

[raw swift]

Naaah pgr is very much alive.

[barren plank]

Bro EU is so dead, top 80 = 1% PPC

[carmine mesa]

Come to EU servers

[foggy ridge]

shhhhhhhhhhh

[shadow holly]

58

[barren plank]

58????

[shadow holly]

80 is na

[carmine mesa]

When global server merge

[shadow holly]

[foggy ridge]

ded game fr

[barren plank]

Wahdapak

[quiet lily]

ye

[opaque ridge]

Server shut down

[quiet lily]

130+ asia

[barren plank]

Actual EoS coming after Luna patch

[opaque ridge]

Merge lmao

[raw swift]

😅

[distant wren]

last 2 weeks were 62, which were higher than usual

[shadow holly]

on Balter patch I think was sub 30 so we're actually doing pretty good

[barren plank]

THIRTY!?!?!?

💀

[distant wren]

1% in asia is around 120-127

[shadow holly]

bro before gen2 the game was like
niche niche

[barren plank]

Yea Asia is the only somewhat living GLB server

[steady otter]

[tight tangle]

When are we getting Balter selector?

[distant wren]

1% NA is like 85-90

[barren plank]

We get a selector up to Kaleido next patch
We get Balter herself for free on Pyroath patch

[opaque ridge]

When are we ever getting a selector

[quiet lily]

eos selector

[opaque ridge]

Accelerated selector?

[distant wren]

selector for CA and CW only
so they can be used with vergil

[tight tangle]

Up to Kaleido means theres Balter there innit?

[floral plover]

imagine my face when I saw in Luna's patch notes a selector
and then remembered that was the already known selector

[quiet lily]

aye

[barren plank]

Yessir

[opaque ridge]

We get a selector on luna patch?

[quiet lily]

selector not worth for u

[opaque ridge]

My 9s is stuck at sss

How come selector dont let me pick 9s

[rose yew]

too many come and go players

kuro has no loyal players

[distant wren]

speaking of nier, can they pls stop adding 2b to literally any and everything

[rose yew]

no nier collab yet on pjsk

[distant wren]

so tired of seeing her everywhere

[quiet lily]

nier collab farming

nier x stellar blade was a bless regardless

[distant wren]

it's funny that she's also voiced by ishikawa, who's also in everything now lmao

[livid lark]

they cant

she's the poster girl

[barren plank]

Huh

When did this happen

[distant wren]

gooner game smh

[distant wren]

her outfit was added to that game i think

[quiet lily]

this month or last month i forgor, peak outfit for eve

[quartz dove]

[livid lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867995160854806588/1185658066872578069/Joliv.gif

[cinder turtle]

what is nihil team rn in cn

[ripe stag]

Ishmael
Luna
Feral/Kaleido

Will change a bit with Lilith

Ishmael
Luna
Lilith

[cinder turtle]

ty

[opaque ridge]

Wtf is nihil

Sounds like some hoyo term

[quartz dove]

Its mohg bloodspell chant duh

https://tenor.com/view/mogh-moghin-time-its-moghin-time-moghius-moghin-gif-26359857

[distant wren]

this is for ss0 ishmael only, ss3 is also debatable

[ripe stag]

It's better to run other amp ?

Well you are missing on 10% shred for 20 20 swap buff and big heal buff

[distant wren]

dark tank mode ishmael is more scuffed at ss3 and above vs other tank modes
at ss0 it's the same

[ripe stag]

Yea I know

SS3 has no 10% dark shred

[distant wren]

sss ishmael as dark tank = no swap cd reduction, only 35% shred

also needs to take into acc whether lilith is sss too
that needs testing

[ripe stag]

I really hate how the character has everything inbuilt but can't use them cuz of one off-element tank

[distant wren]

blame kuro for making her class the way it is just so f2ps can cope

[ripe stag]

How is this cope

SS0 ok
But from SS3 she's just Daren if you use dark amp

[distant wren]

cope as f2p casuals/newbies won't have all units
they'll want to replace their missing tank/amp slot with ishmael

[quartz dove]

Hol up

[distant wren]

making an option like that isn't bad
but this is the tradeoff

[quartz dove]

So ish doesnt have swap cd reduce if shes tank ?

[distant wren]

if she's dark tank

aka the amp in the team is dark amp

[quartz dove]

Why only dark tank behave that way

[distant wren]

because daren is still around

if ishmael was released before nanaknight it'd be the same case for being lightning tank too until nanaknight's out

[quartz dove]

[woven haven]

because daren doesn’t have it

If you want to use sss ishmael on void as dps you cannot run lilith
end of story

ss3 needs sss lilith + ideally 1-2 resos more than your previous void amp

ss0 can fully benefit but only cuz ss0 sucks

[quartz dove]

Ss0 suck..

[rose yew]

PGR sucks

[woven haven]

no energy no easy dropkick no shred increase

[quartz dove]

Most of her dmg is from dropkick ?

[woven haven]

No but ss3 gives free dropkick

ss0 has to do either:
5 dodge at full gauge
6red -> 2 dodge
4 basic -> 3red -> 2dodge

to get dropkick

ss3 can hold dodge outside ult anytime to get ability to do dropkick

once per swap

[dapper skiff]

Ouh

[shadow holly]

nah this char is cooked girl using dodge button for everything

[ripe stag]

When the dodge not dodging

[quartz dove]

[ripe stag]

When is Norman reset

Me need more Norman

[quartz dove]

Idk its already up

[shadow holly]

ezra
just yes or no
is there any hope left

[quartz dove]

Funny question trs

[shadow holly]

also Norman up since yesterday

[ripe stag]

No

Hope for PGR ? No

[shadow holly]

ogey

[ripe stag]

It's done

[quartz dove]

Dont need to use kekning team

[shadow holly]

[ripe stag]

Good Game

Now gets ZZZ

[quartz dove]

Since they only have 20% dmg bonus

[ripe stag]

Who

[quartz dove]

Lightning team

So just anyone but them mean doesnt need battery

[woven haven]

4ult rot does 10 dodges and 3 hold dodges

YAHARI KONO MONOGATARI WA

[shadow holly]

[quartz dove]

10 dodges...

[woven haven]

also 10 3pings

[quartz dove]

Dude wata already make my finger feels wiere whenever i play him

And this hoe is like 10 dodge

[woven haven]

you’re going to love her

4 ult in 12s now that they’re bug fixing the exploit

[quartz dove]

I mean her model sure

[woven haven]

i mean

is it worse than lucia pressing ult 6 times in 12s

[quartz dove]

Can u play solo ishmael

[woven haven]

no

you do realise no luna = ish doesn’t benefit from

1. Any tank on team
2. Any amp on team (besides atk buffs)
3. Eins
4. 4pc shreds
5. Pulse sig (if applicable)

and one unit still needs to be attacker

if they are both tank or amp then ish loses all self buffs/shred

[quartz dove]

Oh yeah i forget she have to fill that tank slot for void guess its still her luna and kale for meta right ?

Oh wait no eins

[shadow holly]

cow eins

as usual

[quartz dove]

So cow harmo eins dv guin ?

[ripe stag]

Yes

Eins DV
Harmo guin

Eh I won't harmo Garnet anymore

No point in harmo'ing a unit who'll go back to holding Eins

[raw swift]

how do i know if i can hold dodge on qu

does she need matrix available

[ripe stag]

You need to have matrix

[raw swift]

[ripe stag]

Have matrix = hold dodge

[dapper skiff]

Whenever matrix available she'll be able to use hold dodge

[shadow holly]

inside matrix
when in core

[dapper skiff]

Either from doing 3p + 1p or dodge

When you're in matrix, you can

[orchid owl]

What does that do

I don't think I've been utilizing her properly

[dapper skiff]

The short rot on ss0 qu

[shadow holly]

is yours 3s or ss

[orchid owl]

Ss0

[shadow holly]

just watch empress guide vid properly

it's as simple as it can get

[raw swift]

can confirm its good

[dapper skiff]

What

What he wants

[orchid owl]

Asking for your hand in marriage

[shadow holly]

TLDR ON QU KIT

3ping + additional orbs is core entry

hold dodge - orb efficient ult
need to do it during matrix while you're in core state

hold ATK - strong ult
need to do it when you have 3 feather stacks while you're in core state

and you just alternate between the two below sss

[orchid owl]

I never did hold dodge

The rest I figured out as I played

[dapper skiff]

Brick

[orchid owl]

What does it do tho

[raw swift]

it gives you a faster ult but less damage

[buoyant hornet]

Important for orb economy

[raw swift]

also more orb efficient yeah

[ripe stag]

Fast af ult

[buoyant hornet]

Weaker ult that refunds orbs

[ripe stag]

But lower damage

[dapper skiff]

With hold dodge, next ult only need 1 3p for max stack (ss0)

Instead of 9 orbs

You get to keep the 6

[orchid owl]

[sleek basin]

And since u use matrix ping for that, it's only 1 orb spent

[orchid owl]

I've been truly bricking my solo qu

[shadow holly]

you get to keep 3 cuz you usually do hold dodge at 2 stacks

[pine slate]

What if u did 2 instead of 1

[dapper skiff]

[buoyant hornet]

Dw we all learn as we go lol

[sleek basin]

How much time did u spend doing basics without fast ult

[buoyant hornet]

I'm curious about this too lol

[sleek basin]

Brick and restart

[pine slate]

[buoyant hornet]

Doesn't matter much depending on orb rng for the rest of the fight

As long as you don't waste a whole 3ping

That scenario is an instant reset

[orchid owl]

I never did fast ult

Before

[sleek basin]

We got that

[orchid owl]

Always 9 pings

[sleek basin]

Therefore the question

[frozen creek]

[orchid owl]

So what is the question

[sleek basin]

[buoyant hornet]

Oh you only need 7-8 pinga for strong ult too lol

I also used to think it was 9 💀

Was bricking my wz runs so badly

[orchid owl]

[pine slate]

Afaik strong ult is 7 pings with no refund?

Fast ult is uh

[buoyant hornet]

Basically

[pine slate]

5 pings with 6 refund?

[livid lark]

[buoyant hornet]

Never counted fast ult orb economy lmao all I know is it gives you enough orbs to do stronk ult as long as you maintain orbs via basic weaving

[shadow holly]

wdym

[carmine reef]

to go into ult1 i guess they mean

[buoyant hornet]

3+1 or 2ping into 3 ping

[buoyant hornet]

Yep

[shadow holly]

cuz he just meant 9 orbs for stacks

[buoyant hornet]

Oh lol ic

[shadow holly]

in ult

[buoyant hornet]

I misunderstood that then

[ripe stag]

Tbf
The difference in animation quality between beta 1 Lilith and beta 3 Lilith really is big

Oh btw
Lilith out on live server ?

[buoyant hornet]

I was just talking to someone about it

And yes she's out

Her v1 beta animations were clapped as hell

[ripe stag]

So any difference between beta 3 and live server interms of damage or anything

[buoyant hornet]

Looked like a rough draft lmao

[buoyant hornet]

Good question

[carmine reef]

idk if this was the question cause i just got here but fast ult is +4 on orb economy, strong ult is -7, both assuming optimal execution and assuming ss+sig

[buoyant hornet]

@pine slate

[sly geyser]

still under maintenance

[buoyant hornet]

No someone I know is already in lol

Just ended several mins ago I think

[sly geyser]

just listening to the main menu music ?

[hollow tulip]

@woven haven did they ever fix the lilith thing?

[buoyant hornet]

The lightning buff?

[shadow holly]

if you count it like that, fast ult is +1

isn't it ?

[pine slate]

U do 3+1+1

-5 orbs

[shadow holly]

you use fast ult at 2 inscriptions

[pine slate]

U ult, then u get 9 refund

U use 3p, 6 remains

[carmine reef]

3+1
1 from matrix to stack
5 consumed
9 returned from inscriptions

[shadow holly]

[pine slate]

So should be +1 orb unless I'm missing smth in her kit

[shadow holly]

9 refund only if you use matrix orb before ult1

[carmine reef]

there's no reason not to

[buoyant hornet]

It's 3+1+3

[shadow holly]

so you use 3+1+1
+3 for ult

[carmine reef]

you can cancel it immediately with ult and it's extra cub casts

[pine slate]

Well, 1 matrix ping

[buoyant hornet]

Ok yeah makes sense

[shadow holly]

you either do 3+1 and 1 in ult
with 6 refund

or 3+1+1 and 3 in ult
with 9 refund

[hollow tulip]

ye

[shadow holly]

do the math

[pine slate]

Think of it like this

[carmine reef]

yeah my brain was ticking as i was typing this you're right

[pine slate]

-3-1-1+9-3

[woven haven]

nope she’s even more bugged than before

[pine slate]

Damn I didn't know she was that orb hungry wtf

[raw swift]

+2 orbs???

[pine slate]

[woven haven]

we might have lightning team be lilith nanami cw potentially but wait and see

[buoyant hornet]

I think the 9 refund is better for less rng bricks which is why snazz seems to opt for them?

[carmine reef]

well if you're doing double rot that makes her -6 orbs every 2 rots which is actually quite average orb consumption

[woven haven]

it requires a lot of setup time ala tenebrion

[dapper skiff]

Whytf I see mats in my illiterate gph

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao rip feral 💀

[dapper skiff]

[shadow holly]

yeah now that I mathed it

I thought hold dodge gives decent positive but it's barely above orb neutral
literally all of the orb income is basic weaving and DLT

[woven haven]

lilith is riddled with bugs

[dapper skiff]

No dlt unplayable

[carmine reef]

i guess rather than the orb income, it's useful because of the lower cost of entry

[dapper skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154393445113274399.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=clueless

[carmine reef]

since you have to wait for the dlt proc to even get into strong ult

[raw swift]

is qu stronger than wata

[shadow holly]

yeah that too

[carmine reef]

filler

[raw swift]

for neutral bosses who do i use

[buoyant hornet]

Now that you put it like that ☠️

[dapper skiff]

U literally forced to do 3/4 on long ult for non dlt

2/4 even

[buoyant hornet]

If it was possible to refund ult orbs without max stacks she'd be ultra ez solo

[shadow holly]

iirc the free orbs aren't saved if you don't do max stack

[buoyant hornet]

Lmao wow

[dapper skiff]

Unplayable game fr

[shadow holly]

so no DLT is straight bricked

[dapper skiff]

No wonder EoS soon

[hollow tulip]

how so?

[carmine reef]

i think the mechanic of robbing all your orbs unless you're at max stacks is really cool

maybe a little toxic but really cool nonetheless

[buoyant hornet]

What's the exact animation length for her ult I wanna calculate a rough average of how often dlt procs for her

[carmine reef]

don't you have your own video uploaded, go count

[distant wren]

Just watch a wz vid

[meager iris]

any sss machia ppc videos?

[buoyant hornet]

Depends on your invests, my qu is lacking glory so her dmg output falls a bit flat in tankier ppc instances lol

[nova forum]

[buoyant hornet]

Lol negative dmg run

[woven sable]

qu should go to a hole and get glory

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah I think it makes total sense tbh

[shadow holly]

Yuki vid in video share
it's just 11 across the board unless you go Balter blue orb kill on test for 10

SSS vs SS qu diff is just -1 on hell

mine already got 11 up to chaos, 12 hell

[quartz dove]

Sss qu = scam confirmed

[buoyant hornet]

Around 5s it seems so ~10s total with each double ult rot

Not as much as I had expected tbh

[meager iris]

I mean we are talking about Machi he is already too ez

I think Maid can show the difference maybe

[buoyant hornet]

ACTUALLY

It's around 12s in timestop

Because it's forgettable but when you proc her stair mode she timestops until she starts walking up the stairs

[sly geyser]

wtf cn had like 3 hours of maintenance

the version is already live

[barren plank]

Lilith out already? Damn

[shadow holly]

yeah
diff starting from chaos instead of hell

[buoyant hornet]

That's why lilith is broken lmao

[meager iris]

they are getting cheaper bundles because we asked for it

[meager iris]

isn't that the case for mostly everyone?

difference in knight and below are <1000 score anyway

so it doesn't matter that much

[buoyant hornet]

My glory-less qu will have to mald madorea won't she

exppc madorea

[vale raft]

Mutated Mechanoid: Madorea

Weakness: Frost (Ice)

Zone Type: EXPPC

Start Time: 4.63s

Difficulty: Chaos

HP: 5,265,001
Super Armor: 17,550
Extra Damage Reduction: 0.0%
Defence: 1,500
Phys Resist: 0.0%
Fire Resist: 20.0%
Light Resist: 20.0%
Ice Resist: 20.0%
Dark Resist: 20.0%

[buoyant hornet]

exppc Machiavelli

[vale raft]

Machiavelli

Weakness: Frost (Ice)

Zone Type: EXPPC

Start Time: 8.16s

Difficulty: Hell

HP: 3,995,903
Super Armor: 52,550
Extra Damage Reduction: 10.51%
Defence: 1,500
Phys Resist: 0.0%
Fire Resist: 20.0%
Light Resist: 20.0%
Ice Resist: 20.0%
Dark Resist: 20.0%

[meager iris]

get Changyu sig

[buoyant hornet]

Wow machi chaos vs hell is a very small difference lmao

Well for current era standards at least

With gen 1 it was probably a big asf difference

[meager iris]

as long as I don't have to mald with cow all good

[buoyant hornet]

Same I'm not gonna complain as long as I get ~590k lol

[meager iris]

590 with qu

[buoyant hornet]

Having to do ppc with ayla was just 💀

[buoyant hornet]

Shhhh I'm lowballing it so I get excited for the actual score

[meager iris]

[buoyant hornet]

F2p coping strategies

[meager iris]

this week is missing lamia to get highest score in ppc

[buoyant hornet]

Wait fr

Lol neat

[meager iris]

I have to mald for 6 MD to have same score on both smh

[buoyant hornet]

Yesterday I was #37 and #43 in ppc having my moment in the sun until the whels wake up and do their weeklies

[sly geyser]

lmao that's another way to shaft globlul

[meager iris]

imagine they do this

[buoyant hornet]

(2 accounts lol)

[meager iris]

[sly geyser]

yeah there's some bugs but can't really explain them lmao, they should have taken their time

[buoyant hornet]

You're one of the people who are about to kick me out of top 100

[quiet lily]

10/10/11/11/11 machi

[shadow holly]

go mald frfr

[meager iris]

nah just 11

[quiet lily]

Phys team doko

[meager iris]

[shadow holly]

[meager iris]

I don't have dv rosetta anyway

[shadow holly]

bro gonna kick me from r1

[barren plank]

I hate ppc so much

[meager iris]

just enjoy it while it last

[shadow holly]

I gave up on building it tbh
got 3s rose too late

[meager iris]

tbh it never mattered to me that much

[dapper skiff]

Enjoy?

Pgr?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867718398208245761/1168402145012359178/1108281401381507144.gif

Pff

[raw swift]

i could only ss qu after i 580k machievelli with an s5 qu so rip ppc ranking

[meager iris]

like 1 sec in elite? no thank you

[dapper skiff]

You done it already?

[raw swift]

yeah

[dapper skiff]

I see

[pine slate]

Still no 580k Machi? How

[raw swift]

bricked ice team

[pine slate]

Bro kaieldo slaps

[meager iris]

[raw swift]

my kaleido has no hypertune

[pine slate]

[dapper skiff]

U whel ofc u don't know the struggle

[unkempt grotto]

@rose yew

U playing melt rn

[rose yew]

no just downloading a 400mb update

[stiff elm]

brain implosion energy

[rose yew]

I got spare stam tho

[stiff elm]

10,000 grams of pure caffeine

[unkempt grotto]

Alr book me when it's up

I need just 30 more pp to lvl up my cr

[thorn creek]

just grow more pp

[stiff elm]

anyways 195 fluc hero warzone was not a fun experience

[rose yew]

you should try 220 hero

[stiff elm]

the fact I had degredation protection too though 💀 I would have rather just demoted right there

[thorn creek]

nah i'd retain hero without using condom

[stiff elm]

the skill of issue

[thorn creek]

[rose yew]

@unkempt grotto games up, send em digits

[unkempt grotto]

56601 normal room

Oh ffs

[rose yew]

[pine slate]

Ss0 r1 kaleido is good enough tho

[barren plank]

How's Qu compared to Lamia on Hamlet

[unkempt grotto]

Look what you done

[pine slate]

I think lamia's still the go to in low invest

[shadow holly]

bricked

[pine slate]

But hamlet's bugged rn

[shadow holly]

qu can't stack Hamlet for -shit

[ripe stag]

@fresh hill what

[fresh hill]

….