📨・meta-help

[quartz dove]

Buffed the p2w tier

[remote pier]

Oc they would buff ss3

[hidden forum]

Won’t affect u anyway since u whel

[quartz dove]

[feral pollen]

wasn't her sig mem mandatory anyway in v1 and v2

[lethal sun]

bozos

[hidden forum]

Gooner

[distant wren]

Is it still good or it's another lamia ult2 situation now?

[hazy sandal]

Group jorlin

[lethal sun]

Gooner squad assemble

[random cobalt]

[lethal sun]

#💬・pgr-general

[random cobalt]

Lmao

[ripe stag]

[hidden forum]

Damn I thought this channel was #💬・pgr-general

[lethal sun]

blubba was gooning too much

[hidden forum]

[lethal sun]

[dapper skiff]

Ah-
What

I just missed the group goon

Goddamn it

[lethal sun]

Gooned too hard he got deported to #💬・pgr-general

[quartz dove]

[clever schooner]

[dapper skiff]

[stone gulch]

[agile geyser]

[dapper skiff]

Can I borrow some oil tho

Left mine at home

[lethal sun]

the oil party

[opaque ridge]

essay memory

[lethal sun]

U ain’t gonna read it anyway

Why u care

[stiff elm]

Whats this do

[livid lark]

@ashen edge gf

[ashen edge]

wot

[livid lark]

back down to hero i go

[ashen edge]

who

the impasta

[opaque ridge]

SSS p2w again

[livid lark]

wait it's not you?

[opaque ridge]

[woven haven]

that's SS3

[ashen edge]

[livid lark]

[turbid bridge]

Too many bilibili videos uploaded of SS Ishmael one shotting bosses with 0-1 second ult

[distant wren]

oh so that's why she got nerfed

or more like nerf ss0

[lethal sun]

Good

No f2p

[quartz dove]

[feral pollen]

https://preview.redd.it/pgr-global-aeon-reforged-patch-31-oct-04-dec-v0-6hv8kcmqknwd1.jpeg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aafe67f84a6cca736b6245cf83ed729dd1379cfc

[opaque ridge]

ishmael got promoted from mid to must have

[feral pollen]

over 30 days dam

[onyx palm]

pls now 🙏

[opaque ridge]

kuro does it again

[ashen edge]

my bili feed got flood by ish ppc gameplay

[turbid bridge]

And tied part of her damage to sig mem too

[ashen edge]

some of them are interesting

[lethal sun]

U can read Chinese bro?

[ashen edge]

nope

[onyx palm]

even though I have so much bc I don't think I can pull something on that 100% banner without losing out on Hanying

[feral pollen]

just early pull ez

[ashen edge]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17wyCYqEaH

[upper egret]

as is tradition

[distant wren]

tf did she just do 5 ults in a row

[turbid bridge]

People were cooking zaza like 4 Heisen 4 Cottie Ishmael

[ashen edge]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Jgy6YeEf2 11s hell tb for ss is insane

[turbid bridge]

Yea lmao

[ashen edge]

bro i think max tb hell for ss is still 12s

[turbid bridge]

So now they binded her damage to sig mem

[lethal sun]

Powercreep is unreal

[turbid bridge]

No more cooking

[stiff elm]

there still isn't an ionization wz yet right?

[opaque ridge]

they labeled all the attackers C, time to add that term to globalul

[woven haven]

there has been since lucia patch

[stiff elm]

no more male meta attacker

[stiff elm]

huh... yeah im tweaking then

[feral pollen]

so v3 ishamel = cutscene simulator?

[solid kraken]

Does Alt Interpretation mode "Derived from Matrix" add new rewards next patch?

I looked through several next patches and saw changes but nothing mentioning rewards

[stiff elm]

what was ishmael's frame name agani

[solid kraken]

phantom sun

[distant wren]

ss0 r0 with 2 a ranks is crazy

[stiff elm]

I only remember up to fulgor

[quartz dove]

Is that faster than luna or nah

[stiff elm]

srsly?

[quartz dove]

[hazy sandal]

forgor fulgor

[solid kraken]

afaik, yes

[stiff elm]

ez way to remember

[clever schooner]

where's the word N?

[stiff elm]

RosThink

[clever schooner]

[woven haven]

Parhelion

[stiff elm]

like.. the flower?

[woven haven]

still subject to change

[raw swift]

[distant wren]

[raw swift]

what was that

[solid kraken]

fake news maybe?

[distant wren]

u saw nothing

[clever schooner]

phantom sun lmao

[woven haven]

its the literal chinese name of the effect

幻日

[opaque ridge]

lets go, random S rank

[solid kraken]

?

[turbid bridge]

Ishmael: Sun Dog

[stiff elm]

I got scire at 40 pity

my luck gone

[random cobalt]

I remember there was gonna be a big change in Qu's patch, but I don't remember there being rewards

[distant wren]

next patch only adds 10 more level i think

[opaque ridge]

my luck too good

[distant wren]

luna patch

[stone gulch]

holy whale

[solid kraken]

I see. thanks

[random cobalt]

However, it's only logical to think that each patch adds 10 levels, just like Cursed Waves

[stiff elm]

did you actually use BC

[woven haven]

the big changes are in luna and hanying patch

[random cobalt]

I see

I'll just refrain from doing 2.5 diff until then

[stiff elm]

I did like, derived from matrix once

and dipped

I still have like, all those pull tickets to grab if I wanted

[woven haven]

well

would u rather the common term or the scientific term

[stiff elm]

the bastardized one

give me sun dog

[opaque ridge]

ez early i trust

[stiff elm]

96 pity

[opaque ridge]

first 10 roll

[stiff elm]

why are you pulling now

[carmine reef]

he's whel who cares

he can afford it

[opaque ridge]

its beta bc

[stiff elm]

oh yeah will stigmata hit voucher shop eventually

[carmine reef]

yes

[stiff elm]

which patch?

[livid lark]

ish

[carmine reef]

lucia

[stone gulch]

june 2025

[turbid bridge]

Definitely not Sun dog lmao

[livid lark]

oh lol i thought you meant beta

[stiff elm]

since I got scire, my plans have.. shifted a bit, who to grab from oblivion patch?

[livid lark]

what the hell is going on

[carmine reef]

bro idk

[woven haven]

stigmata hits voucher shop on lucia patch

[carmine reef]

you should be able to figure this out for yourself at this point

[stiff elm]

hmm, SSS stigmata?

[crystal herald]

why are you showing all these screen shots in this channel??

[onyx palm]

Empy?

[stiff elm]

1 copy from oblivion, 1 from hyperdawn, and then vouchers

[stiff elm]

nah ill just SS her from vouchers on teddy, I can wait

[crystal herald]

Google is communicating with you

[stone gulch]

implying ss empy is enough

[crystal herald]

don't get scared of it

[stiff elm]

well its not like she needs ss3 as bad as scire

[livid lark]

those ping spikes aren't normal tho

[stone gulch]

[rugged cloud]

What can't connect but Google can?

[crystal herald]

132ms lmaoo

[livid lark]

i have no idea

i was getting 300+ms spikes just now

[crystal herald]

try using cloudwarp

[rugged cloud]

Oh, now I see the 300 400 spikes

[livid lark]

im not even downloading anything

[carmine reef]

empy doesn't have ss3

[crystal herald]

download cloudwarp application and use it

i have it for backups

[stiff elm]

right im brain damaged, oh well SS for her

so if oblivion has up to kaleido, right?

[stone gulch]

yea

[livid lark]

aight

[stone gulch]

scire balter empy are the only real choices

[stiff elm]

I should grab hyperlee for fire team fr

[stone gulch]

hyperbrick

[stiff elm]

honestly might go with stigmata since I can SSS from vouchers once hyperdawn patch rolls round

[deft apex]

what's that

[crystal herald]

what is empy

[foggy ridge]

wata should actually suffice for this one

[livid lark]

high ping spikes

not natural btw

[clever schooner]

what are you downloading in background

[stiff elm]

welp stigmommy it is

[livid lark]

nothing

[clever schooner]

[stiff elm]

get ready to see SSS0 5* stigmata guys.

💀

[crystal herald]

@stone gulch りあん

[livid lark]

1.1.1.1 right?

[crystal herald]

did you download the app?

[livid lark]

yea

[ashen edge]

[hazy sandal]

Pixiv fanbox rewards?

[crystal herald]

if yes then just choose 1.1.1.1 with warp

[livid lark]

ping spikes still going out of control

[stone gulch]

why are you tagging me lmao

[crystal herald]

try restarting the thing making you lose control

[livid lark]

alright im restarting my laptop

[stone gulch]

are you on wifi

[livid lark]

yea

[crystal herald]

if it's abt pings then it's mostly bcs of the dns

[crystal herald]

who uses wifi

[stone gulch]

uses wifi
complains about lag spikes

???????

[livid lark]

router isn't far from me tho

[crystal herald]

buy ethernet cable tomorrow

[stone gulch]

bro its not how it works

[crystal herald]

those are radio waves

[livid lark]

[foggy ridge]

ur mome is a radio wave

[crystal herald]

just get ethernet cable if u are poor imm give you one

[livid lark]

i'll see if there's an ethernet cable in my storeroom

[stone gulch]

if its not far get a cable

[crystal herald]

poggers

[crystal herald]

sht up

[foggy ridge]

imagine using ethernet

couldnt be me

[deft apex]

same

[crystal herald]

it's fine i'll give u one

[deft apex]

wifi or die

[stone gulch]

ek life will forever change after he plugs that sht in

[foggy ridge]

my router is as far as puloas forhead

[crystal herald]

because why not?

[rugged cloud]

My laptop has no Ethernet port

[stone gulch]

money well spent

[crystal herald]

get external port

[livid lark]

no i know how an ethernet cable works lol

i just haven't needed it since i set my station up

[crystal herald]

do you know how wifi works

[stone gulch]

inbefore he has satellite internet so its double wireless

[rugged cloud]

Does it go into USB A or USB C?
Usually

[crystal herald]

either one

[livid lark]

no ofc not lol

[rugged cloud]

💀

[livid lark]

i dont have starlink

[stone gulch]

idk man you might own a tesla even

[livid lark]

that pricey piece of garbage looking car? hell no

[stone gulch]

wifi freaks

[deft apex]

i'm freaky with the wifi

[crystal herald]

this is crazy i m scared

[rose yew]

how outdated is your router

[livid lark]

not outdated

[stone gulch]

trying all this options but fck lel

[livid lark]

or at least it isn't like a dinosaur

[crystal herald]

sshhhh

[livid lark]

and i do have fibre to my house ofc

[crystal herald]

thanks for telling though , bye bye

[livid lark]

i didn't bother using an ethernet cable tho lol

[rose yew]

might be on your laptop side
have you tried testing the latency on your phone or other device

[stiff elm]

oh wait I just realised if I can get stigmata to sss on hyperdawn patch I can finally do inf swordwave

[stone gulch]

do you hate yourself

[rose yew]

laptop has shiton of restrictions

[clever schooner]

infinite sword wave is gone, only 3 max now

[stiff elm]

fu- wait 3 max?

[clever schooner]

yeah

[stiff elm]

as in you can chain 3 together at least?

[clever schooner]

ya just 3

[stiff elm]

I mean why would you need to go more

[livid lark]

ok i forgot that there was a PC shop 10 mins from my house
i'll go there tomorrow LMAO

[clever schooner]

no reason to go more

3 sw + slam and your qte should be up

[ashen edge]

@livid lark what happened in ice

tell me

[livid lark]

uh.... wave 4 rose and wave 8 alpha i think

[lethal sun]

F2P score

[deft apex]

what happens in ice stays in ice

[livid lark]

i dont remember

[ashen edge]

you mean fire?

[livid lark]

i wantap and get out

[ashen edge]

cuz ice is mobs

[livid lark]

oh yea sorry fire

[ashen edge]

ok at least not worm

[livid lark]

no vassago ya

rose still an ass tho

kb abilities everytime

[shadow holly]

garnet has Tifa there

[distant wren]

oh harmo?

[shadow holly]

no

4tifa 2ein Garnet
4guin 2dv feral

usual memory setup

[lethal sun]

4 dv 4 tifa garnet zaza

[shadow holly]

[distant wren]

how did feral qte proc then?

[crystal herald]

yea

i didn't even bought router bcs ethernet is all i want

i have it plugged in my ||yk ||

[livid lark]

cable is a bit messy tho

[shadow holly]

garnet 3ping at the start

[livid lark]

that much is true

[crystal herald]

i see i see

[distant wren]

ah alright

[crystal herald]

https://tenor.com/view/nurofen-blackout-nurofen-tech-it-funny-gif-16729457

you wouldn't like these

[distant wren]

sometimes it's hard to see the qte color light up

[ashen edge]

[shadow holly]

[ashen edge]

[livid lark]

i've been to a data center before lol
i dont need another reminder

and plus that's within a rack, not on the floor

[shadow holly]

[crystal herald]

if you are that type of person than you shouldn't be using router in the first place for gaming

[ember escarp]

hey guys is it a good time to start pgr now? are the banners good

[livid lark]

but im not gaming heavily tho

if i was playing an mmo it would matter

i play single player games mostly now

[rugged cloud]

I play MMO
Bullet hell MMO

[livid lark]

the ping spikes are just a little inconvenience

[nova forum]

Is recruit energy in DFM currently limited to 11?

Or am I doing something wrong again

[dapper skiff]

We're one week away for the next banner, it's a good one

But there is no "good time to start pgr"

The sooner you start the better

And now that being said

[rugged cloud]

Helper steps in

[dapper skiff]

I need to cease outta here

[buoyant hornet]

Sooooo Ishmael procs 4guin now

Selena ppc say goodbye

[rugged cloud]

[dapper skiff]

Any oncoming misinfo ain't ma problem

[buoyant hornet]

Ayla too probably lmao

[dapper skiff]

_ _

[nova forum]

[buoyant hornet]

(kaleido)

[rose yew]

someone mentioned misinfo?

[ember escarp]

should i just wait for the next banner? lol ill play now just to get a feel

[buoyant hornet]

I guess "good times" are just patches where you can secure multiple S rank characters lol

[mighty tusk]

needs sss ishmael too iirc

[rose yew]

well black rock shooter is a limited collab unit and she's not coming back

and her banner is ending in a few days time

:Airi_ThumbsUp:

[buoyant hornet]

Ishmael's new UI arts are so good

[dapper skiff]

No true

[buoyant hornet]

Old ones didn't even look like Ishmael lol

[shadow holly]

you'll have to wait until the next banner anyway if you want to pull for someone, but starting sooner will let you to get some more pulls

btw it's a good idea to either ignore or mute Miku

[nova forum]

Bro

[buoyant hornet]

Who's dfm

[lethal sun]

I almost read “starting gooner”

[dapper skiff]

Cheeky bastard

[shadow holly]

ok group jorker

[buoyant hornet]

Btw is deep blue wz coming back?

[lethal sun]

Where’s the gooner squad at

[remote pier]

[dapper skiff]

But ain't no ma business

[shadow holly]

[nova forum]

Derived From Matrix

[buoyant hornet]

Me for camu ig

[rose yew]

can't do anything abt it since it's not misinfo

[dapper skiff]

U didn't share the oil

Everyone's already left

[hidden forum]

[lethal sun]

[buoyant hornet]

It can go up with the permanent upgrades

[remote pier]

Approved by gr radio

[rugged cloud]

[nova forum]

[buoyant hornet]

But that's all I know idr the exact maximum number

[stray siren]

damadafaka

[buoyant hornet]

By permanent I mean the ones you unlock outside the runs

Not the rng buffs mid-run

[shadow holly]

[paper bone]

can u help me figure out my ap this week

[hidden forum]

I only know my ap

[paper bone]

bomboclaat

[shadow holly]

5f 5l 5d

[hidden forum]

p/p/p/d/d
l/l/l/l/l
p/p/d/d/d

[paper bone]

luna: phys fire fire dark dark
Tifa 5 light
Voodoo: phys phys 3dark

[shadow holly]

wtf fire ew disgusting

[paper bone]

Bro my phys is not 333

I’m not taking them to luna past test

[shadow holly]

yet SS phys can still take up to knight over fire and get better times

[buoyant hornet]

Accidentally got 580k tifa with my sad lightning invest in didn't know it was actually possible lol

[paper bone]

Tf

[buoyant hornet]

Solo SS r1 H1 cw

[shadow holly]

it's just ur problem of no SSS Alisa

[paper bone]

so why the fck did no one tell me this like 2 months ago when I was agonizing in vc

[steel horizon]

can't 2.322 do knight just fine?

[paper bone]

[buoyant hornet]

Wish I would've recorded it because I already forgot what I was doing

[paper bone]

2.331 112

technically its 2.331.5 but no one cares

[steel horizon]

empy base S oh my

[paper bone]

No phys wtf

why would I have sss mech

dogshit unit

[steel horizon]

idk seemed weird to me too lol

[buoyant hornet]

My solo main dps empy gets 20s+ on elite

[paper bone]

I’ll just do phys fire fire and redo my scores on saturday

[buoyant hornet]

Literally any cope off ele will do better on higher diff

[shadow holly]

holy

[steel horizon]

I thought fire 2.322 fire beat equally invested phys

[paper bone]

empy dps what is this

[steel horizon]

(for knight)

[hidden forum]

That was quite fun to watch

[paper bone]

I hope you get hit by a truck

[hidden forum]

I’ll take ur wata luck too

[buoyant hornet]

And no matter how I mald or twist it there's no way she gets less than 19s because she just NEEDS both core procs and a weak ult

[hidden forum]

[paper bone]

wow

2.331 112 phys vs 2.312 102 fire

[buoyant hornet]

No hyperlee copium

[shadow holly]

well yeh that fire would beat that phys
SS rose SS Alisa wouldn't get 15?16? knight I'm quite sure

[paper bone]

Empy harmo vs echo harmo

[steel horizon]

something like that

[buoyant hornet]

Why else do you think I'm waiting so painfully for wata my fire team is on life support 😭

[steel horizon]

idk because I settled for like 18s because I didn't want to mald with my mech not having infinitas

[paper bone]

[lethal sun]

Phys is easily better in terms of time

Cuz Lee doesn’t have timestop on ult1

[buoyant hornet]

Idk from my experience SS phys team tends to do worse than empy/kaleido dps on low diffs because can't kill in one rot but they do better in longer fights

[ripe stag]

I miss v1 Lee

Timestop on ult 1

[deft apex]

i miss epitaph

[ripe stag]

[remote pier]

[buoyant hornet]

They actually removed it? I thought it was never there

[deft apex]

pak lee we got daddy nabe coming in

[lusty tendon]

It was too OP apparently

[buoyant hornet]

Real

[lusty tendon]

And Balter's time stop on her ult1 wasn't

[buoyant hornet]

Tbh it would be lowkey like if you put timestop on cw slam

[buoyant hornet]

It barely does damage 😭

[ripe stag]

He was used to be too damn broken

[remote pier]

Bianca's 3 time stop

[lusty tendon]

Did you just say balter's ult1 does no dmg

[buoyant hornet]

Iirc X slash does more than ult 1?

[lusty tendon]

[hidden forum]

Unless she’s sss0

[barren plank]

About the same iirc

[ripe stag]

Players when Balter has 3 timestops - "it's fine. Meta changes"

Players when Hyperreal had 2 timestops - "WTF WHY MAKING A MALE UNIT SO OVERPOWERED?!"

[buoyant hornet]

I didn't say NO damage but low enough to not make it TOO broken dmg wise

[woven haven]

to be fair
the sss proc isn’t ult dmg

[distant wren]

3?

[woven haven]

the actual ult dmg is pathetic

[lusty tendon]

Happens during ult1

It counts

[buoyant hornet]

Lee does crazy dmg on both ults which doesn't happen in any characters in glb rn unless wata changes that

[lusty tendon]

[ripe stag]

Isn't it still counted as ult damage ?

[buoyant hornet]

Fair enough

[ripe stag]

The recorded damage

[woven haven]

not for sss3+ and leap it doesn’t

[buoyant hornet]

But yeah at base/SS ult 1 is really weak

[woven haven]

the ult1 dmg is its own thing

separate from sss proc dmg

which matters because of what resos and leap affects

[lusty tendon]

Does the proc happen when you press ult1

[buoyant hornet]

Hmm what's SSS

[woven haven]

they scale off different bonuses

[buoyant hornet]

sss balter

[vale raft]

Bianca: Stigmata

Skill - SSS

Carved Darkness

Lv 1 - Unlocked at SS3 Rank

Basic Attack - Sword Dance generates 7 extra Signature Energy and its Afterglow Shadow generates 2 extra Signature Energy. Immediately gains a random set of 3-Ping Orbs upon entering battle. Entering Sword Form grants 20 stacks of Stigmata Will instantly.

Lv 2 - Unlocked at SSS Rank

Signature - Bright Candle will record a 100% multiplier of the Signal Orbs pinged and Core Passive - Glowing Lanternlight cast in Luminous Realm. When Signature - Bright Candle is unleashed, an attack will deal the recorded multiplier of Physical DMG to all units within range. This will not deal CRIT DMG, and Bianca: Stigmata will gain 20 stacks of Stigmata Will instantly. When launching Basic Attack - Sword Dance, the first 2 hits of Basic Attack - Sword Dance can be performed additionally before landing.

• When dealing DMG to multiple targets at the same time by pinging Signal Orbs or Core Passive - Glowing Lanternlight in Luminous Realm, only the highest DMG dealt to a single target will be recorded. No record will be made if no DMG is dealt.

[steel horizon]

I thought SSS was considered core

[woven haven]

sss proc dmg isn’t core or ult its just random true dmg

[steel horizon]

ah

[lusty tendon]

Yes

Which is a lot in time stop as well

[buoyant hornet]

Ah so it does a nanamech-esque damage carryover

[woven haven]

which means it doesn’t receive any of the leap buffs except for the sss specific one

[lusty tendon]

We don't have a balter leap here

Respectfully

[shadow holly]

damn the ult1 damage buff
so good

[lethal sun]

SSS standard

[woven haven]

i mean if you want to go there
ult reso doesn’t buff sss so its not ult dmg

[woven haven]

the point is the dmg procs are separate

they trigger at the same time yes but they are otherwise different

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah but even that they put a "" "" "limitation" "" " of not allowing it to crit

[lusty tendon]

The point is the proc for sss happens when you press the ult1 button which is time stopped and it overall makes it so when you press the button you do a lot of dmg

[buoyant hornet]

Aka it's not meant to be absurd but it is really great in practice

[woven haven]

can’t really treat sss recorded dmg as part of ult1 when the hits are separate

[lusty tendon]

Idk what you're trying to argue here

That it doesn't do a significant amount when you press the ult1 button?

You're just being dumb

[thorn creek]

We fighting

[woven haven]

you actually do not when you are ss under

[buoyant hornet]

Point is balter ult 1 dmg is just SSS whale powercreep it's not an inherent character dmg output

Lee isn't the case with his ults

[shadow holly]

I mean yea it doesn't do anything under 3s

[clever schooner]

Damage is damage?

[barren plank]

If Im F2P/low spender alternator and I got really lucky w Hanying, would it be advisable to pull Wanshi?

[lusty tendon]

Ok so when something doesn't work out in your favor, it's now an investment issue. I can say the same for sss and over

See how that works out lol

[buoyant hornet]

I'm talking about the actual character kuro doesn't balance an entire character kit/timestop around their SSS bonus because they want it to sell

[woven haven]

no
ss3 hanying

[clever schooner]

Of course they will balance/unbalance something as long as that can sell more

[woven haven]

unless you want to give up trueslash score for the rest of time

[barren plank]

Oh I was planning to use Standard banner selector for her SS3

[woven haven]

hanying ss3 is the closest thing to ss3 scire

[woven haven]

then ss3 lucia?

[barren plank]

Oh

[shadow holly]

Lee ult2 post SSS

[rocky wedge]

Should never pull free char if f2p or low spender, at most you could try like a 10 pull and see if you lucky since the pity will save for next gacha S.
Tho the banner should be at 0/60

[woven haven]

energy qol

[buoyant hornet]

The convo was about why lee doesn't have double timestop and it's just because they poorly balances his dmg distribution where both his ults do way too much dmg to add timestop to both without it being busted in some modes

[remote pier]

Snap is also timestopped

[barren plank]

How's Nanaknight and Ishmael SS3 looking

[clever schooner]

Ya true during that time

[buoyant hornet]

They didn't want everyone to get 630k ppc

[steel horizon]

I mean, nana gets the same shred all of the new tanks get at SS3

[buoyant hornet]

But yeah lee needed something else to save him from not being bad

[clever schooner]

Balter cottie rot isn't well developed yet

[rugged cloud]

Thanks for the advice snazzlao

[clever schooner]

Too bad they drop cw

[buoyant hornet]

Maybe just make his hypermatriz cd much less than 8s

[shadow holly]

nanami good as usual for SS3 new tanks

[woven haven]

okay
its good dmg and cuts burn rotation down a little
bad news now you have even less reason to run swap

[buoyant hornet]

She's also similar if you think about it, her ult does "decent" dmg at best below certain whale invests and her main dmg source is her slam

[shadow holly]

Lucia
most likely

[woven haven]

ishmael ss3 is still changing as we speak

[barren plank]

Fair

[buoyant hornet]

But her dmg and rotations work in a way where it actually works

And doesn't make her atrocious

[steel horizon]

does SSS nanamechknight rotate with full SSS team or is she just too strong at that point?

[thorn creek]

How’s Ishmael after the changes so far? Still better as tank role with off ele amp and Luna?

[woven haven]

knight*
and yes full sss comp is still swappable

[lusty tendon]

Nanamech

[shadow holly]

yeah it does
SSS feral makes swapping good

[steel horizon]

right, words hard

[clever schooner]

The only reason she is roasted is because need ult to activate background shred

[buoyant hornet]

She can proc 4guin now but I'm not sure if there's a certain condition for it

[clever schooner]

Ain't gonna fix that typo

[woven haven]

still better as tank but they nerfed her to tie her to her sig mem otherwise she can’t do sh*t
also nerfed wep to prevent ult spam

ppc brainiacs killed the fun for the rest of us

[barren plank]

Wait actually quick question
How badly does Epitaph need ult reso

[buoyant hornet]

I think balter is what lee should've been

[thorn creek]

Smh so new problems

[clever schooner]

6 red orbs is the more significant, similar to plume

[lusty tendon]

6 red supremacy

[clever schooner]

That's their intention

But players big brained cottie

[buoyant hornet]

Her kit all works together to make her rotations really flow well and allow solo but without making solo the BEST option because of her matrix cd and stuff

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah

[ashen edge]

[woven haven]

everything is ruined by cottie

because we have to abuse ult spam

[buoyant hornet]

I think the issue is many gen 2 are too balanced around cottie lmao

[woven haven]

just be like wanshi or mech the cottieless

[clever schooner]

Nobody do core reso anymore

[buoyant hornet]

That seems to be what they tried to change with qu but then they failed later on again

[woven haven]

at least balter cottie died

… unless ss0 hanying trueslash maybe

[clever schooner]

Because qu doesn't need cottie to do cottie things

[buoyant hornet]

Eh still some niche ppc uses maybe but otherwise yeah

[steel horizon]

I don't like the sound of that at all

[ashen edge]

thing start when suddenly cottie is become revelant

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah

[clever schooner]

It's like dv

[barren plank]

I thought she needed 4cottie for PPC strats

[woven haven]

yeah well deal with it ss3 hanying is an uncrossable gap for trueslash in both dmg and energy for trueslash rotations

[clever schooner]

How do you solve dv meta?

[lusty tendon]

Game was almost ruined by DV

[clever schooner]

Give everyone dv

[woven haven]

that was 2darwin 2cottie

[barren plank]

oh

[woven haven]

4cottie is the lazy qu build to deal with her lack of superarmour

[buoyant hornet]

Problem with cottie is it's usually either 4pc cottie or no cottie at all which makes builds less variable

[woven haven]

and it provides lower damage than 4 chen jiyuan

[buoyant hornet]

Assuming harmo I mean

[lusty tendon]

And harmos

[woven haven]

and the energy buff doesn’t do much

[barren plank]

Wait...
She
Doesnt
Have
Superarmor???

[ashen edge]

ye cuz i remember in v1 balt ppl just spam with leeu

[barren plank]

AND WE HAVE TO SOLO WITH HER GARBAGE ORBS

[woven haven]

we almost had a dv less team and then kuro killed the entire identity of void wz

[clever schooner]

Delayed

[ashen edge]

no cottie until later beta version

[thorn creek]

Gotta nerf her somehow

[buoyant hornet]

Honestly I wish they allowed 5* mem harmos on 5* wps

[woven haven]

so now we’re back to that

[shadow holly]

[lusty tendon]

Wait how did that happened

[clever schooner]

Like you want superarmour, but it only get active after like few seconds you press

[lusty tendon]

Who was on void with no dv

[woven haven]

she has delayed superarmour
you try to superarmouring before enemy hits? too bad the effect comes up 1s too late

[ashen edge]

other gen 3 tank

[barren plank]

Literally fcking why Kuro

[ashen edge]

they removed void shield mechanic in wz rn

[woven haven]

gen3 tank + ishmael + luna in v1 was a thing

[lusty tendon]

ooo

[woven haven]

all 3 doing dmg

[ashen edge]

and so off-ele nerf hit

[woven haven]

and now its dead and they killed the entirety of void wz

now its ishmael + qte bot amp + luna

[lusty tendon]

Hey it's ok guys there's no DV on dark team

[clever schooner]

Purple shield + off ele buff
Becomes
No purple shield, no off ele buff, only void buff

[buoyant hornet]

Why?

[lusty tendon]

[woven haven]

ishmael says hi in ppc

[buoyant hornet]

Doesn't karen use it?

[ashen edge]

no lol

[clever schooner]

Wz

[woven haven]

because off element is dead in wz

[clever schooner]

Swap gameplay

[buoyant hornet]

She just goes boone bathlon?

[ashen edge]

high rank dark wz doesnt need it

[lusty tendon]

Idk what your invest is but in wz my Karen is on 4 sig 4 bath :

[woven haven]

and the tanks do no dmg

[clever schooner]

Still need dv if solo lamia

[woven haven]

wasn’t crim doing 4dv4sera on sss+

[stiff elm]

okay bruh

[buoyant hornet]

They killed off ele in void in beta?

[ashen edge]

hey im not like crim afguysgiysgb

[stiff elm]

but he's releasing on halloween.

[ashen edge]

bro is a maniac holy sht

[stiff elm]

no halloween event?

[woven haven]

yes

And they killed void shields in void wz too

[buoyant hornet]

Bruh why tf

[buoyant hornet]

???

The one interesting aspect

[clever schooner]

Void zone demoted to just pure void zone

[woven haven]

also they changed red huaxu ppc hp
56 million -> ??? now

[ashen edge]

so basically void wz in beta rn dont have shield anymore become straight void dmg buff only

that mean off-ele nerf hit very hard

[buoyant hornet]

:/

[steel horizon]

did hi3 ever kill mei/newt btw?

[buoyant hornet]

Lame as hell

[steel horizon]

this always reminds me of that

[woven haven]

Dark team will be ass no matter who replaces who i just realised

[woven haven]

oh god

[lusty tendon]

Fire with uncle is back on DV now right

[buoyant hornet]

Red WHO? 😭

[woven haven]

empy dv slave

[stiff elm]

guys... I need to get this man on pgro

[buoyant hornet]

There's a new huaxu?

[lusty tendon]

[barren plank]

Dunno why you asked here but yea it's been pretty much sent to oblivion since like late 2022

[woven haven]

yeah on qu patch

[ripe stag]

Empy can proc 4 guin in one qte right ?

[ashen edge]

imagine 60mil

[barren plank]

Yes

[clever schooner]

The angry version

[woven haven]

oh yeah have fun timing dv on hyper ult again

[steel horizon]

dv convo reminded me, only reason. effectively same thing

[barren plank]

Ah

[buoyant hornet]

Hey at least my empy gets to keep Elizabeth because she's my subdps without lee 😭

[feral pollen]

which patch makes dv buff timestoppable

[ashen edge]

qu patch

[thorn creek]

Just pull pyroath and you’ll never regret it

[opaque ridge]

pyrowhat?

[feral pollen]

midcia

[buoyant hornet]

I'll have to test if empy rotation fills up wata's swap cd

[thorn creek]

Pyrobrick

[opaque ridge]

hyperdawn

[steel horizon]

I forget, when do we move empy to .5 rotation?

[barren plank]

Yea GPN is pretty much relegated down to here and there for MA strats of squishy bosses
And ig as a cope set for HS if no SSwords for that random 1/1M dps HRB weather lol

[remote pier]

[woven haven]

Ok here’s the issue right

if lilith replaces capri
now scire will be the useless sh*t on team

but she still needs to ult for heat field, which means onfielding for quite a while
and we might still be stuck on boone bathlon
if not, then we have a bona fide qte slave who has to ult for off field shred

if lilith replaces karen…. we’re still stuck with capri and no DV slave

its a no win situation rn

[buoyant hornet]

Otherwise she'll either have to cope BA spam or I'll have to use mech on field instead of a qte bot ☠️

[clever schooner]

Capri gets to live 4 more patches

[woven haven]

we need both capri and karen dead together

[buoyant hornet]

Ig they see daren as a core member of ion so might replace her soon too

[woven haven]

or dark is still eternally shi et

[steel horizon]

leap one when they creep the other

[shadow holly]

just post wata in fire at SSS
sss+ can ult each swap in
under sss from what ive heard you only ult a couple of times per wz

[lusty tendon]

Idk I'm just excited that shred persists through time stop

[clever schooner]

Actually

[feral pollen]

4 s ranks back to back it is then

[buoyant hornet]

Replace her in dark*

[clever schooner]

Replace daren

[ripe stag]

Is there any reason why Hyperreal 4 Cottie isn't recommended ?

[remote pier]

Inb4 Kuro replaces Lamia first

[thorn creek]

Lilith new dark tank and capri leap

[buoyant hornet]

Wdym?

[ripe stag]

His ult 1 isn't consider as ult ?

[thorn creek]

NO

[barren plank]

Lilith new class, just watch

[lusty tendon]

Stuff like garnet flag doesn't persist through time stop

[buoyant hornet]

I'm pretty sure it is until qu patch?

[woven haven]

because it doesn’t cover his orb dmg

[dusky quarry]

Lilith dark observer fr

[lusty tendon]

Wata's shred does tho

[shadow holly]

ticks in time stop

[ashen edge]

new off-field support from tank can presist though time stop

[buoyant hornet]

You mean dot doesn't proc on new waves and stuff?

[woven haven]

hyper orb dmg is unfortunately still his dmg

[ripe stag]

It's 2 Darwin 2 Cottie

[ashen edge]

but ye garnet flag/heat field from scire doesnt tick in time stop

[barren plank]

Hyper's orbs do damage

[ashen edge]

mean no shred in time stop

mean u deal 0 dmg

[lusty tendon]

Ya, read the garn section here for more info
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HorZ6EkBWiNU93KT9Q3FpvM5xyyvv5zlHPq-v_xsB6c/edit?tab=t.0

[buoyant hornet]

Ty!

[visual topaz]

What's hyper harmo rn before mem rework

[steel horizon]

leap lets her ult every rotation too or no?

[woven haven]

i mean its self explanatory why darwin over 4cottie

[clever schooner]

I just go 4 shakes

Directly

[woven haven]

ss3+ just go shakes

its already viable enough

[barren plank]

Will Empy still need DLT post-wata, or can I get away with keeping GS on her while still having orbs

[clever schooner]

Got 8% shred at least

[woven haven]

do you have hyper

[barren plank]

Si, SS R0

[woven haven]

keep dlt on her

[barren plank]

aw man

[woven haven]

maybe leap + sss can fix that but until then

[feral pollen]

wait you can forgo dlt on empy if you have hyperseggs on ss3?

[woven haven]

just stick with it

[woven haven]

no if you onfield empy at all you still need dlt unless sss + leap iirc

[clever schooner]

Empy pre leap do ult once every 2 rot?

1 core and wata cd up

No more time

[barren plank]

I think so

[woven haven]

that’s sss wata

[clever schooner]

Whel rights

[woven haven]

ss wata has time for empy stuff still unfortunately

[shadow holly]

ehhh it does speed up her rot but im not confident about this

[woven haven]

it does

without cottie as well

[shadow holly]

[woven haven]

but needs to be max stack cores all the time

[clever schooner]

Only s+ you get to ult every rot

[woven haven]

if you fat finger the wrong orbs good luck

[thorn creek]

Hypershat dv holder

[clever schooner]

Afaik 3s empy post leap with 3s uncle still do ult once every 2 rot

[woven haven]

any invest can ult every rot

its whether you have time for it or not

sss wata swap cd is the key

ss wata can still let empy ult every rotation

[visual topaz]

4p rng shakes +2p fire atk dmg better than straight 15% EDB?

[steel horizon]

with SSS wata she's stuck at .5 though?

[novel sleet]

Guys

[barren plank]

Empy's using Eins

[novel sleet]

Tell me the score if I run a

[steel horizon]

oops wrong reply

[woven haven]

more like there isn’t any really good ss3+ harmo pretty sure

just 2pc darwin + 2pc fire

[shadow holly]

ye

[novel sleet]

SS cw with f2p team and her sig
Vs
Ss uncle wata (only)
In fire wz

How huge would be the difference?

[woven haven]

we’re doing this cuz in the interest of saving time its easier to go with shakes

[woven haven]

pretty sure wata still wins here

[clever schooner]

Fire wz you serious

[woven haven]

f2p team for cw meaning lux and arclight correct?

[shadow holly]

xd in fire wz
in fire wz even solo empy or smth would win

[novel sleet]

How broken is wata exactly

[woven haven]

Very

[clever schooner]

Yes

[barren plank]

yes

[woven haven]

the most meta warping unit till this day

[novel sleet]

What yes 💀

[thorn creek]

Wata is kinda good

[clever schooner]

You asked how broken is he

[buoyant hornet]

Wata all the way

[woven haven]

He’s yes/10 levels of broken

[thorn creek]

Kinda as in absolutely broken

[novel sleet]

Ngl Ig I will get him and select qu from standard banner selector later

[clever schooner]

The answer is yes

[visual topaz]

So either 2p shakes or 2 signa

[deft apex]

this big
🫸 🫷

[stone gulch]

brs pullers on suicide watch

[novel sleet]

LMFAO

[feral pollen]

dam it's almost my size

[buoyant hornet]

Literally freaking BRS and leap palefire probably do more dmg than cw in fire wz because of the penalty

[deft apex]

livwhat

[woven haven]

also big misconception
there’s no good use of putting cw in fire wz

she deals like minus 80-90% dmg outside of lightning wz

so no one should bring her to fire wz in the first place

[novel sleet]

Thing is im running solo uncle

[buoyant hornet]

I once tried using phys in ice warzone balter took a while rotation to kill the FIRST wave ☠️

[livid lark]

still better than running cw in there

[buoyant hornet]

It's doablr

[woven haven]

yeah solo uncle can beat current meta fire team

[clever schooner]

will still do better than whel cw

[novel sleet]

Thing is I don't got any fire team members 💀
So I was gonna get wata

[thorn creek]

What’s wata weather like?

[woven haven]

yes just run wata

[clever schooner]

He is the whole fire tean

[livid lark]

yea you need to start somewhere so just grab him

[visual topaz]

Empy has Darwin + 2p harmo Guin
Mech still has 2 ein

[woven haven]

+60% fire dmg bonus for pinging orbs iirc?

[livid lark]

and yea he's basically fire team

[clever schooner]

You already got a tank, dps and shred on him

[pine slate]

wata alone does more dmg than the current meta fire team

[thorn creek]

[clever schooner]

Get Sophia to be his slave

[novel sleet]

Yeah I'm getting him then empy from luna void selector and pyroath from event banner

[novel sleet]

Bro what?

[visual topaz]

A few million points

[woven haven]

wait where’s your scire

[livid lark]

not an exaggeration

[novel sleet]

I started playing in january

[buoyant hornet]

Mind you wata is so good he started a literal "gen 3" label in the playerbase

[carmine reef]

wata is not gen3

[onyx palm]

can't wait for Wata 😤

[livid lark]

sss wata is 3 rot or 2?

[woven haven]

uhhhh….i think empy is a marginal improvement for your fire team

and you might want scire to prop up the other pyroath team

[buoyant hornet]

P sure he's literally equivalent to knight or slightly worse

[pine slate]

yeah, wata solo with 2 qte bots beat current meta fire team

[carmine reef]

wtf are you talking about

[clever schooner]

Sometimes 3

Mostly 2

[livid lark]

hmm ok

hopefully i can pull off 3

[clever schooner]

If you have 3s hyper

[novel sleet]

I'm getting empy from void selector

Then pyroath from debut

I'm a f2p

[livid lark]

oh womp womp ok guess it's 2

[clever schooner]

You can squeeze in last ult 2 within 6 seconds

[woven haven]

scire is needed a lot more than empyrea is unfortunately

[barren plank]

Huh Empy uses darwin now

[woven haven]

because one of pyroath’s teams hinges on Scire

[barren plank]

Or is that SSS thing

[woven haven]

specifically scire btw no other replacement

[visual topaz]

Always for Wz

[novel sleet]

Ngl Idk what to run except empy?

Should I run ishmael instead?

[clever schooner]

S+ invest

[visual topaz]

Pre timestop build then post time stop s+ only

[novel sleet]

Also what new buffs ishmael got

[livid lark]

i dunno if you can run ion with an s or ss0 scire

[shadow holly]

shh keep your s+ builds to yourself

[barren plank]

Ishamel doesnt have ion

Affix ≠ element

[thorn creek]

#📨・meta-help message

[novel sleet]

As in fire team

[carmine reef]

you can run ion with s or ss0 scire it just won't have thermal heat field

[woven haven]

either sss sophia or any other raised amplifier

[steel horizon]

I think they mean for fire

[barren plank]

Oh

[steel horizon]

any amp until ishy, then ishy presumably

[woven haven]

you can but it needs sig and dlt for bare minimum orbs unless you basic spam

[novel sleet]

Got alisa echo wit her sig

[clever schooner]

Sophia echo would do

[visual topaz]

[clever schooner]

Sophia hold eins

[livid lark]

does the leap fix her sig energy gain at lower ranks?

[woven haven]

Sophia still then

[woven haven]

nope

but ion uses a different rotation entirely

you need the dlt not the sig energy gain

[livid lark]

oh so there's no need to go all the way to ult for ion?

[woven haven]

no you skip ult on ion scire

[clever schooner]

Horizontal spin

[livid lark]

oh phew alright

[clever schooner]

Would charge up ion

[buoyant hornet]

He literally has the same mechanics as every gen 3 tank

[woven haven]

you do comet combo not uppercut

[livid lark]

ok not bad then

[carmine reef]

no he doesn't
because "gen3" as we use the label is for affix

[livid lark]

at least you're not forced to go to the end

[woven haven]

needs 10 orbs per rot and that’s only if perfect rng

[buoyant hornet]

Idk about domain overlimit but everything else

[woven haven]

but yeah i would suggest scire over empy on selector still

[feral pollen]

wata leap when to add affix

[buoyant hornet]

Well multiple people I saw use it to refer to units like wata and following tanks as well as luna

[steel horizon]

does SSS3 scire still want DLT for ion? or is the orb gen enough

[woven haven]

because no empy is saving lucia from ionless team

[carmine reef]

multiple people say stupid shet all the time so what

[dawn monolith]

thank god i entered on this point xDDD

[woven haven]

still need it for first rotation

[thorn creek]

This

[buoyant hornet]

It's technically a subjective label but literally everyone says "gen 3 tanks" to refer to them

[steel horizon]

ah that makes sense

[carmine reef]

this is why you just shouldn't bother with the generation bs

[clever schooner]

It's just player made up stuff anyways

[barren plank]

Yea gen x y z for units is dumb

[thorn creek]

I’m gen z

[carmine reef]

you're gen coomer

[barren plank]

Gen brainrot

[thorn creek]

Tru

[buoyant hornet]

Fair but imo he kickstarted a whole new era of tanks and units that change how the entire team overall works so if we HAVE to label then he deserves it 🤷

[carmine reef]

no

[buoyant hornet]

Alright whatever you say

[thorn creek]

Wata is male

[woven haven]

at

[thorn creek]

No rights even if does dmg

[stone gulch]

gen brick

[woven haven]

affix shi ets

[frozen creek]

why did we need affix

[stone gulch]

revenue falling

[thorn creek]

To keep poor plp poorer and rich plp richer

[lethal sun]

WW revenue ran out

[frozen creek]

If anything that would make noobs less likely to play

I guess they juts had too much wuwa money lying around

[feral pollen]

[steel horizon]

36k bc, still skips uncle

[thorn creek]

I have that too

[dawn monolith]

so noone is saying good or bad things about picking empirea vs scire on selector?

meh...

[thorn creek]

+10k yellow tickets

[steel horizon]

idr how much I have, some amount

[thorn creek]

Still scire tbh

[dawn monolith]

zexous said* empirea, that was the debate

[carmine reef]

huh

[thorn creek]

Zex misinfo

[carmine reef]

when was this

[dawn monolith]

like a week or so ago i think

[thorn creek]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[dawn monolith]

wait, first understand the situation all

[barren plank]

Huh Zex misinfo now

[dawn monolith]

i pasted you a full text of aether saying a lot of things about ssr and the future

[carmine reef]

oh no wait i remember the context now

[dawn monolith]

and you said that still would consider higher on empirea

[carmine reef]

it's cause empy needs ss to give fire buff but scire only needs s to be better than xxi

[hidden forum]

[woven haven]

isn’t that the case for dupes

not like missing both base copies

[carmine reef]

so i recommended getting empy first for immediate gains on wata, and then scire from selector and voucher/bp

i think that's how it went

i don't remember if he was missing both base or not

[barren plank]

The subreddit really is smth

[dawn monolith]

not really, you said that empy would be better at short run, but someone else said that maybe aether was talking about the future proof with ion or something like that

and the you went to a plane trip and stopped there

[carmine reef]

LMFAOO

it is still true that empy is more immediate short term gains

[thorn creek]

Zex always on trip

[carmine reef]

so i still agree with my original interpretation

[barren plank]

He's giving all the seminars in the unis

[dawn monolith]

xDDDDD that zex agreeing with past zex

[carmine reef]

at this point in time swap dark is barely a gain over solo lamia without resos, so you just need to make sure you have ss3 scire by the time ion comes around

[woven haven]

send it

[carmine reef]

that's why i think empy first and then you can focus on getting scire in the future

cause ss3 scire before that is kinda whatever gains for your account

in fact it's literally no gains if you don't have capri either

[dawn monolith]

yeh i told you that aether recommended the opposite, and you told me that, first empy and then vouch scire

[carmine reef]

yeah i hold to that then

[paper bone]

3s scire or bust

[steel horizon]

3s3 scire or bust

[dawn monolith]

and i told you that as a poor man, no ss+ nor sig

[vague nebula]

s+ scire or bust

[dawn monolith]

so no on scire nor capriccio

[carmine reef]

yeah

so you just will want ss3 scire by the time lucia comes next year so she can have thermal heat field

[dawn monolith]

so thats all the context xDDD

[carmine reef]

and that's all you want ss3 daren for on your account

[vague nebula]

s+ scire is human rights

[dawn monolith]

something to add to that @woven haven ?

seems like a good plan?

[paper bone]

S+ r3 or bust

[thorn creek]

Meta slaves smh

I play how I want

[steel horizon]

we love matrix lightning on leap scire

[dawn monolith]

meh... seems he left...

[hidden forum]

[woven haven]

looks good for you
the other guy is different

cuz he only has the luna selector and neither empy nor scire

[dawn monolith]

me neither

[woven haven]

which is why scire first is his priority

you have the standard banner don’t you

[carmine reef]

if you are lacking scire you should get scire

but ranking her up past s is low prio for you

[dawn monolith]

thats the gist, no access to both, wanting both would go into selector one and voucher the other, with no intention on go more than the f2p way

[steel horizon]

wouldn't grabbing one of them from standard almost force SS0 hanying for f2p?

[nimble pine]

guys does memory placement important? like for example hanna 4x darwin 2x, do I need to like put 1,2,3,4 hanna and 5,6 darwin or i can just put it randomly

[paper bone]

No

[carmine reef]

f2p that are missing so many core units have a lot more to worry about than ss3 hanying i think

[carmine reef]

it's just a slight atk minmax thing

[dawn monolith]

ill paste you what grayraven page says about that, i think is relatively accurate

[carmine reef]

for top vs bottom row

[paper bone]

Havingn optimal placements wont make your runs better

[steel horizon]

generally better to place memories so you need the fewest HTs and resos for all of their builds

[nimble pine]

oo alr then thank you guys

[dawn monolith]

(Disclaimer: Build switching is easier when placing 2-set Memories in top slots.
Builds below show placements for ease of switching sets. Placements that optimize stats may differ.) this wasnt what i readed, but its what is written now, i remember it said something that the difference between placements is not important unless you want to minmax, as mikumo last said

[steel horizon]

that's because harmo didn't exist before

a lot more sets, a lot more switching

[paper bone]

lwokey the amount of content in the game drops by 70% when I finish my daily ppc

theres nothing to do

[steel horizon]

what's the 30% that's left

[opaque ridge]

guys, darwin top or bottom?

[paper bone]

dfm

[steel horizon]

[ripe stag]

Darwin always top

[visual topaz]

I have bottom darwin on Balter

[opaque ridge]

so placement does matter?

[dawn monolith]

matter only if you want to minmaxing

[shadow holly]

why we helping altera again

[dawn monolith]

if you care enough to get a 1% more of dps, then matters xDD

[opaque ridge]

[shadow holly]

altera should be helping us
financially