📨・meta-help

[fringe kestrel]

maybe im getting pc diffed

[green geode]

What does void type do? From luna oblivion

[mighty tusk]

just another element

[steady otter]

damage

[mighty tusk]

class oblivion

[vale raft]

Luna: Oblivion

Skill - Class Passive (Lv. 18)

Annihilator

Extra DMG Bonus increases by 20.0%. Converts all members' Elemental Resistance Reduction and Elemental DMG Increase effects into Omni-elemental DMG Reduction and DMG Increase effects.

[woven haven]

ag

[dapper skiff]

You can say it like 6th dmg type to the game

[woven haven]

6th of 11

[dapper skiff]

From what we have rn

[steady otter]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-fish-underwater-what-huh-gif-17916446

11

football

[green geode]

So gamemodes will make omni specific or will she be universal?

[woven haven]

Phys
Trueslash
Fire
Burn
Lightning
Ionization
Ice
Glaciation
Dark
Umbrasurge
Void

[woven haven]

only usable in void weak content and void shield content

there's a void WZ and void is in Super PPC (the one after ultimate)

[green geode]

[woven haven]

she only converts buffs and debuffs not dmg typings

[grand jay]

Luna is plenty strong otherwise

[woven haven]

you will still deal -79% off element

[mighty tusk]

@woven haven in a team with qu-garnet-luna void (without wata) for ice wz, does luna hold 4 dv?

[grand jay]

She's good on universal content

[cerulean grotto]

Does Ishmael cost bc or she's free

[grand jay]

You're going to give aether an aneurysm

[dapper skiff]

Delayed

[woven haven]

ok this crack thing is pretty much DV Luna and Chen Jiyuan Garn

[dapper skiff]

[woven haven]

Eins can be slapped on anyone

[mighty tusk]

[cerulean grotto]

Anyone?

[grand jay]

Tbf Ig it's better than playing solo qu

[dapper skiff]

Beta delayed

[zenith thorn]

corgimaster was in my bracket last cycle

[cerulean grotto]

Oh

[zenith thorn]

that's it

[grand jay]

No way

[raw swift]

watching rexlent rn

[grand jay]

Krilling myself

[mighty tusk]

either way, I'm demoting

[grand jay]

Bc

[cerulean grotto]

Watching rexlent eating lunchly and listening to ksi new song

[zenith thorn]

ur my leader (derogatory)

[cerulean grotto]

[zenith thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ksi-thick-of-it-gif-9696360309122991759

[raw swift]

man i love Ishmael's gameplay

[zenith thorn]

wtf huge update noway

[cerulean grotto]

Wait, beta was supposed to be today!?

[raw swift]

ikr, she beats Goku btw

[cerulean grotto]

[zenith thorn]

delayed,but ye today

[grand jay]

Wait he's downloading it

[quiet lily]

ishamel turns to jiren?

[dapper skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1081081138237419650.gif

[cerulean grotto]

Time to skip old man and Ss3 Hanying

[deft apex]

Yea

[raw swift]

peak story

[deft apex]

She gets jacked on her ult

[mighty tusk]

he's done downloading it

[glass bay]

Time to uninstall

[green geode]

Got this chars and waiting for lost lubally in standard banner, what should i save for?

[grand jay]

Benched

[mighty tusk]

s-rank back to back next patch

[raw swift]

Watanabe

[grand jay]

BRUH SOMEONE HERE LIED TO ME

[distant wren]

stream started on rex channel

[cerulean grotto]

What happened?

[green geode]

Which one

[grand jay]

He got in and I've yet to download the client

[mighty tusk]

can you download it rn?

[raw swift]

REXLENT IS INNN

[grand jay]

I can't get the client

[raw swift]

UOHHHHH

[cerulean grotto]

This is so inappropriate

[grand jay]

Damn it I wanted to spoil you guys

Oh well

I'll have to wait ig

[mighty tusk]

but you can translate things for us

also let's be honest

rexlent aint focusing on meta

[raw swift]

man, Ishmael hot

[dapper skiff]

:gooned:

[quiet lily]

where ishmail

post here

[distant wren]

any other streams out there?

[zenith thorn]

rex is honestly
sh*t person to watch if u meta oriented
too many yapping

[quiet lily]

whoever said beta content cant be in here, fk em

[woven haven]

oh no

[turbid bridge]

Confirmed Ishmael is tank + amplifier combined

[mighty tusk]

ishmael mostly support weap resos

[woven haven]

i just saw her class passive she is literally tank and amp

[quiet lily]

YES

[distant wren]

basically, that's why I want to see if there're other streams lol

[dapper skiff]

Hey hey

No beta stuff here

👮

Now

[quiet lily]

[grand jay]

Time to move to cn lobby

[dapper skiff]

wher my fk

[mighty tusk]

tank + amp = ishmael

[quiet lily]

[distant wren]

oh she has both tank shred and amp reso

[raw swift]

chat, Ishmael is.. ||support and tank||

[turbid bridge]

[quiet lily]

omg can skip all tank and amps we hawt

[dapper skiff]

U liar

[zenith thorn]

LMFAOO

[dapper skiff]

Where's my

[jaunty beacon]

Rip #💬・cn-lobby

[zenith thorn]

shref and buff that's wild

[quiet lily]

[zenith thorn]

her class edb shref and buff too?

[raw swift]

segg

[mighty tusk]

lore-wise it kinda makes sense for ishmael to be both tank and amp

[dapper skiff]

Elysia

[deft apex]

Her yellow hair tips look kinda weird 😭

[raw swift]

Finally, I can now skip every tank for Ishmael

[visual topaz]

where did cn lobby go

[dapper skiff]

U left it at home

Probably not that important anyway

[steady otter]

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-honkai-impact-gif-22724785

[visual topaz]

i just came back

[cerulean grotto]

HOLYYYY

[rose yew]

her kit looks simple enough to use

[cerulean grotto]

I can't betray Mommy Bianca

😭😭

[dapper skiff]

Okay

[woven haven]

babel has returned

[mighty tusk]

any new game modes?

[dapper skiff]

We need that reddit post that said Ishmael was Ely copy

[raw swift]

guys

[woven haven]

new Super PPC boss
Red Huaxu

[raw swift]

im skipping Qu, gotta S+ Ishmael

[rose yew]

good choice

[dapper skiff]

50mil hp?

[steady otter]

Break state ?

Like normal huaxu ? Or nah ?

[mighty tusk]

red huaxu was a boss which chapter?

[grand jay]

Dude I wanna play so bad

[quiet lily]

u havent got the client?

[grand jay]

I might as well get a qq acc if it's gonna take this long to get the link from someone else

[woven haven]

red one from qu patch

[grand jay]

No

[woven haven]

the one with the twins mechanic

[grand jay]

I have the log in

[quiet lily]

[steady otter]

Free or nah ?

[mighty tusk]

hmm

is she?

[dapper skiff]

Who even is she

[mighty tusk]

I wonder if ishmael can even outsell cw

[woven haven]

Alpha be like

[grand jay]

Alpha is the most hyped character bar none lmao

[mighty tusk]

if they suddenly announce another alpha frame, I'm gonna

[quiet lily]

story skipper wouldnt know her

Selena leap dream might be gone

[mighty tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[dapper skiff]

She got both amp and tank

[mighty tusk]

stop hallucinating

[dapper skiff]

Does that overrides the other amp and tank class in the team?

How do you even apply this shi

[mighty tusk]

wait for the zazas cn might cook

[dapper skiff]

Ishmael + 2 attacker
Ishmael + attacker + uniframe?

[rose yew]

tank obselete soon?

[carmine reef]

Do you guys think she'll have -3s switch cd, or will we still need an sss gen3 tank for that

[dapper skiff]

Would be funny if she does

[steady otter]

So it will be 6s cd if tank gen 3 on the same team

[woven haven]

skk gender added

babel returning

also candy crush perma(?)

[mighty tusk]

took them long

[dapper skiff]

Can i be attack helicopter?

[mighty tusk]

what's ishmael's sss passive? -3 sec switch cooldown?

[upper egret]

what's the word on ishmommy what she do?

[mighty tusk]

she can switch between tank and amp

[upper egret]

??????????????????????

lmao

[mild grail]

What rotation should I use for liv,Rosetta and balter

In warzone

[dapper skiff]

Liv start, swap to Balter and Balter DPS only until end

[distant wren]

can only capture this so idk if it has it

[dapper skiff]

Liv can barely does anything by herself

She's just a suppor

[mild grail]

Whats the use of Rosetta except qte then?

[dapper skiff]

Not worth swapping

[mighty tusk]

i dont see any -3 or something

[dapper skiff]

Tank

That's all you need from her

[woven haven]

2.5x Void Shield break

and her shred/heal buff amplification (no number)

[dapper skiff]

Luna powercreep?

Omg

Time flies

[mild grail]

What?so she's just for qtes?

[dapper skiff]

_ _

[dapper skiff]

Yeah

That's all she does

And she's great at it

[mild grail]

How do we activate qtes on our will?

[woven haven]

Sig Weapon, SS3 and SSS increase her buffs

[dapper skiff]

Correct orb colour

[woven haven]

they neglected to add by how much in SS3 and SSS

[dapper skiff]

Or simply ss rank balter

[nova forum]

P2w game

[ebon adder]

what about with alisa

[mild grail]

in the characters logo section does it show what colour orbs

[nova forum]

Might as well increase limit available shard on PPC shop

[mild grail]

Like the buttons of characters ,uses for switching,does it showbthe colour of orbs

[buoyant hornet]

Guys crit stat ONLY increases crit rate right?

[mild grail]

Does qte have time limit

[nova forum]

Crit rate and crit dmg

[buoyant hornet]

Oh by how much?

Interesting

??? 😭

[mighty tusk]

wait I thought crit stat only increases crit rate?

[nova forum]

BruH

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah lmao same

[nova forum]

Send pic on the stat

[mild grail]

Does it

[dapper skiff]

Since when

[buoyant hornet]

Wdym by time limit

[dapper skiff]

Bruh

[buoyant hornet]

Sooooo I'm guessing it's just rate?

[civic cloud]

I summon you @shadow holly sheesh new prof Pic

[mild grail]

Like can we active qte 2 times in the matter of a second

[dapper skiff]

Can safely assume so

[quiet lily]

Crit increase crit

[buoyant hornet]

If only the game had an actual in-game explanation to avoid this stuff 😭

[dapper skiff]

There's no source to back up that it affects both

[woven haven]

ok so

[dapper skiff]

Not like I've heard any

[buoyant hornet]

No

[mild grail]

So what's the limit

[woven haven]

Ishmael works like this
got an amp on team? she's tank
got a tank on team? she's amp

still has both wep resos

[buoyant hornet]

Not even davinci allows that lol

[civic cloud]

There's a formula for it but it's lost

[buoyant hornet]

The same qte always has a cooldown

[mild grail]

Huh,whats the limit bro

[buoyant hornet]

And if you try to use the same qte back to back via davinci

You'll have to wait for the first qte proc animation to be over

[feral pollen]

so she must have r3 then to be able to effectively swap

[buoyant hornet]

Idr the cooldown lol but iirc it's like 5-8s idk

[civic cloud]

That's fine but what I need to know is does crit DMG have any influence over the damage dealt with a "Critical Hit"

[mild grail]

Okay

[upper egret]

ishmael 10k% on ult

[buoyant hornet]

That's actually insane lol

[upper egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1183386520938364948.gif

[buoyant hornet]

She only shreds/buffs void though right?

[woven haven]

wait lemme correct this a second

[upper egret]

and if we have both lmao

[woven haven]

Ishmael works like this
got an amp on team? she's tank OF THE SAME ELEMENT
got a tank on team? she's amp OF THE SAME ELEMENT

still has both wep resos

[buoyant hornet]

I mean it's presumed you'll just use her to replace the weak link on the team

Which I'm guessing will often be the amplifier lol

[quiet lily]

So dark team is saved?

[upper egret]

wait a minute

[buoyant hornet]

Wtf so she can off ele kinda?

[mighty tusk]

nah, ever heard of capri and sera?

[pine slate]

Omg Capri powercreep

[quiet lily]

Fk me

[upper egret]

surely that doesn't mean she can just replace any tank/amp on any team right LMAO?

[woven haven]

she can buff ANY element

the point is that Luna converts it to all elements anyway

[feral pollen]

except phys

[mighty tusk]

let's wait for lamia-daren-ishmael setups

[nova forum]

Racist system

[woven haven]

Tank Ishmael - Shred after ult 15% -> 25% with sig -> presumably 35% with SS3 -> 45% SSS

[mighty tusk]

seems viable

[pine slate]

[woven haven]

Amp Ishmael - Heal buff 10%

+10% with sig i think

[dapper skiff]

[pine slate]

Welp, skipping Ishmael cuz I already got tanks for all my elements

[buoyant hornet]

But the base buffs are the same as any amps or does she power creep selena in ppc?

[dapper skiff]

What are they cooking 🗣️🗣️ 🔥 ❓❓

[woven haven]

wait first

[buoyant hornet]

Well she'd probably power creep cappuccino in ppc anyway 💀

[shadow holly]

???

[dapper skiff]

Bro even the stove is confused

[pine slate]

[shrewd vale]

shes cracked

[upper egret]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-car-explode-cat-boom-bah-gif-5387928273689188008

[shrewd vale]

SSS+ day 1

[woven haven]

Ok so

[finite cove]

Wdahell...now there is tank+amp thingy too...

[buoyant hornet]

That means there won't be another void unit for a year at least lmao

[dapper skiff]

I'm sure people who designed them were as well

[finite cove]

Whatever does void element bring to the table

[nova forum]

[finite cove]

, more headaches I assume

[woven haven]

Ishmael Tank Class - enemy edr -20% as usual
Ishmael Amp class - increase 10% atk and 10% corresponding ishmael element for all members of team when swapping

[nova forum]

Bigger money sink

[finite cove]

More reason for player to 💳 ig 💀

[mighty tusk]

we can choose what ishmael's corresponding element right?

[dapper skiff]

Sss change anything?

[mighty tusk]

for amp I mean

[finite cove]

General amp buff at SSS is double effect iirc

After swap*

[jaunty beacon]

Hello ! What's her definite build and her definite rotation ? I need to plan right now

[woven haven]

2.5x void shieldbreak compared to normal 2.0x

[shrewd vale]

sss minimum invest as always for the amp :^)

[woven haven]

its the same as the other amp/tank of the team

[finite cove]

Nah,ss0 true peak

[woven haven]

if you run Nanami she's Lightning Amp

[finite cove]

[woven haven]

so her amp passive and heal buff will be lightning

[distant wren]

so no double amp passive on sss?

[mighty tusk]

and if you use scire.....

[distant wren]

still just 10%?

[tender ice]

so it seems nanakknight is another scire situation for f2p?

[jaunty beacon]

sss minimum invest as always for the amp :^)

[mighty tusk]

no
what made you say that?

[pine slate]

What no

[shadow holly]

bricked for affix teams

[finite cove]

Please share us some hope for poverty f2p invest

[pine slate]

Btw what if I ran nanaknight, feral, Ishmael

[upper egret]

so she just replaces every amp on every team then? and then the tanks whenever they're the ass part of the team lmao

[rocky wedge]

What in the world

[buoyant hornet]

It adapts to the class of the tank/amp in the team

[finite cove]

[pine slate]

What is Ishmael then

[rocky wedge]

That’s quite interesting

[dapper skiff]

Bro the pan having existential crisis if it should be hot or cold for the dish that Kuro cook

[mighty tusk]

5th anniv unit btw

[upper egret]

there has been literally no hope for f2p since gen 2

[rocky wedge]

Is 5th next?

I thought it’s later only

[shadow holly]

observer
girl just looking

[jaunty beacon]

Nice one haha

[buoyant hornet]

Schizolena semi-replaced before lilith even arrives

[upper egret]

it's both just like ishmael frfr

[mighty tusk]

when is pgr cn anniv?

[jaunty beacon]

She can observe whenever she wants

[shadow holly]

[jaunty beacon]

December

[distant wren]

dec 5th, ishmael patch is on nov 7th

[rocky wedge]

Well it’s normal for people to not like change - but if it’s good it should be embraced

[distant wren]

so it's 100% anni patch

[dapper skiff]

At the point the pan gonna fold himself to the trash bin

[tender ice]

well f2p gonna have to skip something

[rocky wedge]

I wasn’t sure about Void in the beginning but it’s quite cool actually

[tender ice]

might aswell nanaknight since ishmael can be the tank for lighting

[mighty tusk]

[jaunty beacon]

3 S in a row. New norm

[dapper skiff]

We aren't even in that patch yet

[pine slate]

Ss0 nanaknight does more dmg than sss cw

[buoyant hornet]

I mean by principle she's literally f2p friendly because if you're missing an amp/tank for any element you can sub her in

[rocky wedge]

Nah, we aren’t playing a hoyo game here

[buoyant hornet]

But obviously maximizing her potential is for spenders

[woven haven]

Base Shred for ishmael is 15%

[tender ice]

i dont see any magic 15k bc coming before nanaknight either

[rocky wedge]

All the F2P players that are managing their accounts properly don’t have issues

[finite cove]

We

[pine slate]

And also idk if Ishmael deals the dmg of that specific element

[dapper skiff]

Keep playing and you will get early or you will likely have better Income by the time Ishmael drop, you can afford all 3

[woven haven]

well here's the issue
every other amp is garbage

[rocky wedge]

If you are having issues, you are doing something wrong x)

[woven haven]

and Nanaknight is meta in 4 teams rn

[pine slate]

Let's say she buffs lightning, but does she deals lightning dmg

[woven haven]

she does not

still dealing void dmg

[pine slate]

Hm ic

[woven haven]

if you had to skip smth it'd be CW rn

[grand jay]

Just got the link

Downloading it rn

[dapper skiff]

[finite cove]

So she only grant buff to specific element

[tender ice]

glb patches are shorter too so how is anyone getting both of them lmao

[buoyant hornet]

Doubtful tbh unless they do something to give a burst increase in bc income for that patch

[upper egret]

lmao not unlikely tbh

[shrewd vale]

ishmael meta hell yeah

[finite cove]

?

[grand jay]

I'll get back to you guys shortly

[mighty tusk]

skip sigs and cubs

[distant wren]

@woven haven she still only buffs 10% on amp passive at sss? no double buff?

[woven haven]

doesn't say

[buoyant hornet]

Because nami can solo?

[woven haven]

SS3 and SSS are vague wordings

with no hard numbers so i can't tell

[pine slate]

Ye, sss cw is a good qte bot for ss0 nanaknight solo

[finite cove]

We will see,by then. Rn she is still in beta even. Not even finalized character

[dapper skiff]

Income per patch is not even 7.5k anymore

You have more, as long as you aren't pulling random shi, it looks doable asf

[spiral merlin]

Ishmael GRAAAAHH

[grand jay]

Hmmmm

[distant wren]

probably beta stuffs then, gotta wait till v2

[finite cove]

Could be more op,who knows if kuro gonna cook her harder

[dapper skiff]

Also consider the upcoming rough like gamemodes with one time tickets rewards

[grand jay]

I'm not going to make conclusions for myself until I try her out

She sounds cracked for new players

[dapper skiff]

It's still 1 whole year away in global

[mighty tusk]

btw, can you test out lamia-scire-ishmael setups

[woven haven]

Also
Ishmael buffs DO NOT STACK

[buoyant hornet]

Eh we'll see but even before this f2p was fcked so this is just not it tbh

[grand jay]

I'll see what I can do

[buoyant hornet]

Wdym

[grand jay]

Figured

[woven haven]

its all the named buffs

[finite cove]

But I WANT SOME SKIN FROM GACHA BANNER ♿

[woven haven]

i.e. its the fire named shred if she's fire tank

[dapper skiff]

Giving up ain't my words

[tender ice]

random shi? u mean not pull sigs for units like wata, qu etc?

[finite cove]

17.5k bc for a great skin isn't anything wrong 💯

[buoyant hornet]

So you mean you can't try to run a tank and x2 amps to cheese buff stacks?

Yeah figured lol

[dapper skiff]

F2p is -fucked, but let's do something that makes it less sht throughout days

[woven haven]

she only changes to amp/tank if there's one of the other on team

if she's neither i think she doesn't buff

[dapper skiff]

Not just "nah, f2p is fcked,idc anymore"

[civic cloud]

This channel is a whole spoiler for a character that's even yet to come

[buoyant hornet]

She'll just be better in ppc probably because selena's stuck with the seraphine problem and 4pc gui not working

[dapper skiff]

If you don't care anymore, don't ever complain about anything I'm doing or telling

[civic cloud]

No wonder globlul gets shafted everytime there's something new in cn

[mighty tusk]

yea, just need someone to test it

[jaunty beacon]

Time to make a statement to a v1 character, which would be obsolete in 24h

[finite cove]

It is wise to take us fellow in #📨・meta-help with bunch of salt on your side,make wise thoughts yourself from all info you gather here

[jaunty beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841386143895126046/1289054148213477427/beer.gif

[dapper skiff]

Things will get better

[grand jay]

That too

[finite cove]

Despite we're hopeless bunch,we sometime does answer in game stuff pretty accurate

[grand jay]

Numbers can change

[buoyant hornet]

I mean idc to complain anymore tbh lol I'm really burned out and just trying to not quit before luna so that's why I don't bother to overthink it

[finite cove]

[grand jay]

Worst case she's a Void tank/amp depending on your acc situation

I don't think she's filling any gaps like some people here are trying to say she is

[woven haven]

tbh i think on the sheer virtue of being an amp who can buff on QTE without sig mem

we have unbricked dark ppc a little

[jaunty beacon]

Imagine complaining about the status of f2p when kuro middle finger them for 2y

[stone gulch]

guys its okay ishmael will be solved in 1 year it takes her to come to global, trust

[upper egret]

to be fair i'm sure that's what people thought during the initial wata/qu fiasco, only for kuro to double down AND make it worse with no saving patches at all lmao

[finite cove]

From positive side at peak invest she is swappable into any element you
Lack either tank or amp with decent invest/didn't have

[carmine reef]

Is wz still gonna use capri though

[grand jay]

More or less

[woven haven]

like i dunno but you guys are forgetting capri exists

[mighty tusk]

who?

[woven haven]

and seraphine

[grand jay]

Crapri

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah while simultaneously making sigs more essential lol

[finite cove]

SSS Ishmael from BP pass perhaps? If yes I think she's great unit too sss

[jaunty beacon]

Magicarp

[grand jay]

Guys she isn't free where is everyone getting this from

[buoyant hornet]

I've been saying that this whole time ishmael will literally replace selena in ppc lol

[grand jay]

It would have said on the announcement page lmao

[woven haven]

she's not free

[mighty tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[buoyant hornet]

Seraphine + 4pc gui being dysfunctional

[mighty tusk]

they are just overdosing on cope

[jaunty beacon]

Either copium. Or senator Armstrong sauce

[finite cove]

Please let her base copy be a rewards from event

[grand jay]

Eh I doubt it

[carmine reef]

But will I still have to invest in my capri

[grand jay]

It is 5th anniversary so there might be a free S rank in bound

[jaunty beacon]

Lamia bench before crapi

[stone gulch]

free brs v2

[buoyant hornet]

Maybe at least give away 20 or 30 shards for easier SS idk

[finite cove]

But cappuccino too old to even think about investing in her

[buoyant hornet]

Or for SS3

[feral pollen]

rex is having problems dissecting rank up passives

[finite cove]

Rexlent isn't a great cn reader 💀

[jaunty beacon]

Nor player

[grand jay]

Pgr benched

[finite cove]

Imagine trying to read bible level description for construct skill effect,not any server could achieve that. Read is hard 💯

[dapper skiff]

Just need to survive

[grand jay]

I think by virtue of Ishmael potentially not need any set up for buffs she's already benching Selena most likely

[dapper skiff]

[grand jay]

Dark might thrive in PPC

WZ though

[cerulean grotto]

So both Lilith and Ishmael are bc?

[grand jay]

We don't know

[cerulean grotto]

💀💀

[spiral merlin]

wz though she'd still probably win out 💀

[grand jay]

About Lilith

[spiral merlin]

Ishmael that is

[grand jay]

Yk what that's fair

[finite cove]

💀

[pine slate]

Capri suck b4lls

[carmine reef]

Man I just bought capri shards this month

[feral pollen]

seems her -3s cd swap/100% amp bonus is locked to sss as usual

[pine slate]

[grand jay]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Void performs

[woven haven]

Ishmael
Base 15% shred
Base 10% atk + 10% element on swap, 10% on heal

Sig adds 10% shred and heal buff
SS3 adds 10% shred

SSS adds....
-3s swap CD, 10% more shred if tank
double amp passive if amplifier

[jaunty beacon]

Not mine. She's not worthy

[grand jay]

I think I'll try amp Ish with Wanshi and Luna first

[mighty tusk]

bruh what is this?

[woven haven]

there you guys go

[grand jay]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-and-ceo-boss-ceo-gif-6040796720834546739

[feral pollen]

so fullblown gen3 amp/tank crammed into one

[grand jay]

So it seems

[woven haven]

yes

[grand jay]

I'll confirm it for myself

[woven haven]

she has the numbers equal to every tank and amplifier at the same rank

clap

[shrewd vale]

time to throw everyone into the trash

[woven haven]

also she has both weapon resonances

[distant wren]

needs sig for 25% shred tho unlike other tanks
to screw over f2ps

[jaunty beacon]

They're screw from the start

Didn't need ishmael

[feral pollen]

so what, no more void units then? since she covers both roles for that element

[woven haven]

and heal buff too

[grand jay]

More or less

[feral pollen]

just add one straggler and you're golden

[grand jay]

Slot in your amp of choice and you're off to the races

[distant wren]

yeah but well the amps also need either sss or sig anyway

[upper egret]

you mean both

[cerulean grotto]

Anyone got any idea how much is prio for ishhy?

[distant wren]

empy/capri need sss for 20% buff, not sig

[raw swift]

Oh hey I haven't watch bili yet

[upper egret]

no what I meant is they still need the sig for the reso buffs

[raw swift]

What class skill is that

[distant wren]

ah ofc

[carmine reef]

Tank N Amp

[cerulean grotto]

Wanna know if she's good enough so that I can skip other tanks

[raw swift]

Oh, so she's replacing all 5 amps at once?

[cerulean grotto]

3s ishhy instead of other tanks is worth

[distant wren]

wait what if u put both a tank and an amp in the team with ishmael
what class would she be then?

[raw swift]

[carmine reef]

Unsure but maybe

[raw swift]

I did predict that

[dapper skiff]

(actual) JUMP BUTTON IN PGR

‼️

[solar pier]

Anyone got footage for me to download

[upper egret]

PGR fps battle royale ARC LETS GO

[carmine reef]

She still only does void dmg though

[dapper skiff]

Can we crank 90' in it?

[hard sparrow]

Guys who's S rank should I sacrifice since I probably not gonna get them all?

[carmine reef]

So if the old amps' dmg is relevant in wz then you still need them

[upper egret]

i'd imagine ishmael is gonna be used as tank in the void team because bigger damage etcetc lol

[hard sparrow]

I will definitely get Lucia and Ishmael

[mighty tusk]

no one, best that you skip sigs and cubs

[hard sparrow]

I will pull their sig

[upper egret]

you cant skip anyone and also you need ishmael sig so good luck bub

[woven haven]

buff wise she's basically rainbow
but her dmg is still void

[stone gulch]

you are choosing slightly better buffs over not bricking your account

[turbid bridge]

Only if she’s QTE bot, her void damage is still considered off-element so you can’t field her

[feral pollen]

bruh she has all the moves from her projection boss

[buoyant hornet]

Which is perfect tbh

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah I'm guessing she'll replace capri and cow in ppc because of their unfortunate properties/flaws

[woven haven]

better qte bot than capri

its already joever for capiss

[buoyant hornet]

Definitely will NOT replace Alisa though

[woven haven]

well yeah she doesn't work with phys units at all

[feral pollen]

also her ult has 10k% scaling which is kind of egregious lmao

[buoyant hornet]

Now for lilith to officially replace cappuccino in warzone too

[upper egret]

i wouldn't be surprised if she outdps'd crappi even with the off ele debuff

[median shell]

quit

[buoyant hornet]

Oh I was thinking crit buff but she doesn't even work huh lol

[feral pollen]

just wait for dark amp lilith

[buoyant hornet]

Had to make her worth swapping with luna ig 😭

[grand jay]

Gotta download the whole game again

[upper egret]

nah lilith dark tank trust the gospel

[buoyant hornet]

Ishmael will never be able to solo void though because of how she works

So without luna void would still be bricked asf

[raw swift]

If exist 1 elemental tank, she become same element amp, vice versa

What if I put dual element what will happen

Will it brick her class skill

[buoyant hornet]

I wonder if she will straight up not work or if she has a priority system lol

[steel summit]

She becomes mixed

[carmine reef]

I love mixed girls

[buoyant hornet]

Imagine kuro trolls and just makes it rng between which ele she buffs/shreds each proc LMAO

[turbid bridge]

There’s a status in the team select before you go into battle that tells you which element Ishmael is currently buffing

Not sure if you can choose from that

[dapper skiff]

Stop functioning

She's gonna be a qte bot only

[rose yew]

[woven haven]

guys i already explained it

[daring vapor]

what type of resos her sig has? amp or tank or both?

[dapper skiff]

Yes

[feral pollen]

both

[woven haven]

both

Ishmael buffs and debuffs

Tank:
-20% EDR class passive as usual
15% base shred
Sig +10% shred
SS3 +10% shred
SSS +10% shred, swap CD -3s

Amp:
On Swap, +10% atk and 10% corresponding element for 10s
Heal buff 10% at base
Sig +10% Heal buff
SSS double amplifier class passive effect

If there is only 1 Elemental Tank in team, Ishmael will be the Amp of the same element
If there is only 1 Elemental Amp in team, Ishmael will be the Tank of the same element

[hard sparrow]

So she will replace ayla, empy and feral at once?

[rose yew]

twice the buff of buff when qte had buff aka double buffing buff

[woven haven]

not really

dunno about qte heal procs yet

[raw swift]

What if I put wata and knight in same team

[upper egret]

crappi is the main thing she'll replace if anything

[woven haven]

she’s definitely replacing capri in qte bot

[raw swift]

[buoyant hornet]

Once again not in warzone

[dapper skiff]

[grand jay]

Not that it matters

You're iframing most of the time

[woven haven]

as in

[raw swift]

Oh yeah Ishmael got nerfed

[buoyant hornet]

They mean 4pc guin

[woven haven]

4guin compatibility

[grand jay]

Ohhh right

[nova forum]

Ishmael design/gameplay too grounded

[buoyant hornet]

It needs a certain number of ticks

[dapper skiff]

She becomes overloaded

[raw swift]

🚮

[grand jay]

Whether she can make more use of it

[nova forum]

I want a naked cosmic woman flashing on my screen

[buoyant hornet]

Evil Ishmael era

[grand jay]

Highkey i wish she kept the suit

[hard sparrow]

So what's the best team for her?

[ripe stag]

From mommy to Mash Alter

[dapper skiff]

All

[grand jay]

Make it a skin or whatever

[raw swift]

She went from S tier to C tier

[buoyant hornet]

Same

[grand jay]

Any team you're missing a character in plus void

[shrewd vale]

they're selling it as a skin obv

[buoyant hornet]

Still void, alongside luna and wata

But in ppc she'll replace capri and Ayla

[ripe stag]

So what's her class passive

[woven haven]

CUB is +15% ATK for 5s

[dapper skiff]

Yes

[raw swift]

3s already 45% isn't it?

[grand jay]

Tank and Amp

[glass bay]

Definitely nerfed

[woven haven]

@ripe stag read u bozo

[buoyant hornet]

Honestly her old design elements are kinda gone which idk why

[ripe stag]

What IN THE WORLD

[glass bay]

Even personality nerfed

[raw swift]

See which class is missing from your team she can become either tank or amp

[buoyant hornet]

She's called the merciful one why does she suddenly look like an evil lady lol

[grand jay]

I'm pretty sure they wanted to call back on the boss version

[turbid bridge]

Her sig memory said she heals 8% of her ATK per second, I guess it implies she can heal more than once

[raw swift]

Malnourished

[ripe stag]

BRO ALL THE AMPS ARE IN DANGER WTF

[buoyant hornet]

And failed tbh lol the boss version was supposed to be mysterious and ethereal with no facial expressions

This one is just a different personality 😭

[grand jay]

Yeah

[dapper skiff]

Guys

It's just a clone

[woven haven]

that's the heal field
like capri's

[grand jay]

If they made her dress white I could see it

[dapper skiff]

clueless

[grand jay]

Her design looks fine for what it is

[turbid bridge]

Ah okay, nothing about her QTE heals

[grand jay]

The transparent limbs though

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah

[grand jay]

That goes hard

[buoyant hornet]

Def

[grand jay]

I wish it called back on her original design more

[woven haven]

her qte does heal
we just need to see how many times it heals for 4guin usage

[grand jay]

But it suffices

[raw swift]

Illegal reso

[grand jay]

That looks illegal

[shrewd vale]

lmao

[grand jay]

I'm excited to try it though

https://tenor.com/view/timbaland-kewcheeeman-gif-21658755

[buoyant hornet]

Btw Selena's phantom does continuously apply dark radiation right?

[dapper skiff]

We just need a 4th slot now

[buoyant hornet]

Atp the only amps without healing fields are 21 and alisa right?

[shrewd vale]

triple harmo for 4 slots

[woven haven]

idr

[buoyant hornet]

Iirc empy's sky field does that so I'm guessing Selena's probably functions the same? Might be the reason they used to justify locking her dark radiation behind seraphine

They probably thought it was balanced that way except it isn't

Wait

mem seraphine

[vale raft]

Seraphine ★★★★★★

2pc Set Bonus

ATK increases by 5% and Dark DMG increases by 5%.

4pc Set Bonus

Any Reprise deals 100% more damage. Allies healed by Selena: Capriccio gain a Dark Radiation effect of dealing 10% more Dark DMG for 8s. The duration will be reset every time the effect is triggered.

ATK

133

CRIT

66

DEF

221

HP

1521

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah sera dark radiation is on any heal not just qte

[hard sparrow]

Kuro never running out of ideas

Innovator fr

[jaunty beacon]

Warrior paper chat

[raw swift]

Come to think of it

Even kuro knows attacker class skill is brick

[grand jay]

I should be ready to play in about half an hour

[raw swift]

[grand jay]

First thing I'm doing is testing her performance in WZ lmao

[proven vault]

Emo buff ken kaneki?

[raw swift]

Ishmael can't become attacker class

[grand jay]

Cool design but useless in most cases in endgame

[buoyant hornet]

Btw what's the conversion from crit stat into crit rating?

[proven vault]

[grand jay]

Only use is Guild Battle 💔

[buoyant hornet]

Yes

[dapper skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867995160854806588/1226147558020350013/Screenshot_20240406-083219.png?ex=6711aca6&is=67105b26&hm=b61d613bb85f54ebc0f82ceaa9bd556c9ba96ab4ec1839524807bf8f70cc4903&

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah unfortunately

[dapper skiff]

Source: dandy

[proven vault]

Free ig so yey

[buoyant hornet]

You'll have to use him in norman and guild battle though dw

[proven vault]

Bro is higher level than my acc

[proven vault]

[brave briar]

Mommy has arrived

Any details about her yet?
Like rank or element?

[dapper skiff]

High quality bait

[ripe stag]

Ishmael buffs and debuffs

Tank:
-20% EDR class passive as usual
15% base shred
Sig +10% shred
SS3 +10% shred
SSS +10% shred, swap CD -3s

Amp:
On Swap, +10% atk and 10% corresponding element for 10s
Heal buff 10% at base
Sig +10% Heal buff
SSS double amplifier class passive effect

If there is only 1 Elemental Tank in team, Ishmael will be the Amp of the same element
If there is only 1 Elemental Amp in team, Ishmael will be the Tank of the same element

[dapper skiff]

#💬・cn-lobby

More appropriate place to talk about it

[proven vault]

😭🙏kuro really made me thought i got something good

[jaunty beacon]

Class : dezz
Element: nuts

[proven vault]

[dapper skiff]

The more you talk about Ishmael in here, the more you gonna confuse people about something that isn't even coming to global in 2025

[ripe stag]

Damn evil tracksuit unit

[dapper skiff]

[stone gulch]

tbh thats all we do all day

[proven vault]

[stone gulch]

talk about something coming to global only next year

[dapper skiff]

At least we know what we're talking most of the time

Unlike whatever kuro is cooking rn

[proven vault]

i don't

[dapper skiff]

Even the stove is confused ngl

[rose yew]

can't have confusion if they can't read

[buoyant hornet]

Right lol

Sooooo how much is lilith gonna outdps lamia

[brave briar]

Oh
I thought we could talk about CN here if it's meta wise

[stone gulch]

gameplay-cope

[dapper skiff]

We can

[buoyant hornet]

If both amps and tanks outdps attackers then what are attackers gonna do lol

[dapper skiff]

But if you're looking for an accurate answer

[rose yew]

so can ismael crit?

[dapper skiff]

This isn't the time

[buoyant hornet]

No

[dapper skiff]

It's literally just fresh from kuro asses

[rose yew]

skippable skibidi

[dapper skiff]

We don't even know 80% what she does

[opaque ridge]

find out for us

[woven haven]

void dmg

[dapper skiff]

Nah

[woven haven]

i literally wrote that

that is 80% of what she does

she's just the same tank/amp thing the rest is just dmg

[opaque ridge]

so slow

[orchid owl]

how much should I be hitting with 323 001 in phys hero wz? bc I can't seem to hit more than 96w

[upper egret]

the only thing we need to discuss is how hard her skins will go

[rose yew]

kek whel

[dapper skiff]

Wz looks thicc asf this cycle

[brave briar]

Alright thnks
Hopefully she is free or something close though cause the S rank last patch in CN though

[opaque ridge]

shes free

[jaunty beacon]

+50/60%

[opaque ridge]

30 frags in paincage

[grand jay]

She's as free as your average S rank release

[orchid owl]

even without memory res? only my bianca has bottom row res

[wispy robin]

so how broken is ish

[dapper skiff]

Idk

[grand jay]

Now that I think about it she's probably more effective as a tank in Void

[woven haven]

no

[zenith thorn]

yall are asking this question wayyy too early

[woven haven]

Wata/Nanami dmg is still good

[zenith thorn]

it's day 1
not even v3

[woven haven]

you can just cut one rotation to fit in Ishmael

[rose yew]

how ismeal look like in dorm

[orchid owl]

is nanami really gonna be using cw as qte bot

[grand jay]

Fair enough

[dapper skiff]

How do you even play her

[opaque ridge]

ishmael any good?

[grand jay]

Yeah

[rose yew]

what's her p2w coating look like

[woven haven]

she can yeah
but only SSS CW

[zenith thorn]

you tap
hope that helps

[dapper skiff]

Good to goon with

[orchid owl]

lucky me ig

[rose yew]

what's the harmo build for her

[orchid owl]

that still baffles me

[dapper skiff]

Thanks

[opaque ridge]

[woven haven]

If there is only 1 Elemental Tank in team, Ishmael will be the Amp of the same element
If there is only 1 Elemental Amp in team, Ishmael will be the Tank of the same element

Ishmael buffs and debuffs

Tank:
-20% EDR class passive as usual
15% base shred
Sig +10% shred
SS3 +10% shred
SSS +10% shred, swap CD -3s

Amp:
On Swap, +10% atk and 10% corresponding element for 10s
Heal buff 10% at base
Sig +10% Heal buff
SSS double amplifier class passive effect

[zenith thorn]

4patton 4bathlon

[rose yew]

[buoyant hornet]

4pc patton

[jaunty beacon]

What's her final build and rotation? I need to start planning rn. And who should i skip ?

[dapper skiff]

Skip her

[buoyant hornet]

I was about to write the same thing LMAO

[dapper skiff]

Nana still better

[deft apex]

what is circuit connect gamemode?

[opaque ridge]

so shes basically more shred

[jaunty beacon]

Ok but booba

[rose yew]

balls

[dapper skiff]

Candy crush

[buoyant hornet]

We're trolling lol

[opaque ridge]

does she do damage though?

[deft apex]

finally permanent candy crush

[zenith thorn]

skip luna
she's useless since ishmael can do all

[buoyant hornet]

I mean yeah

[brave briar]

[buoyant hornet]

She'll def rotate with luna I'm guessing

[dapper skiff]

I wonder if we'll get a lb for it

[zenith thorn]

it's altera
he has access to beta

[dapper skiff]

[opaque ridge]

u dont say

[zenith thorn]

[buoyant hornet]

I forgot lmaoooo

[turbid bridge]

She can’t convert other element damage/buff to void like Luna can

[opaque ridge]

i dont have beta access

[dapper skiff]

Nah u didn't forgot

yet

[opaque ridge]

locked behind timegate

[zenith thorn]

that was a joke

a troll

[glass bay]

Ishmael solo?

[woven haven]

ya
even has shieldbreak buff

[turbid bridge]

Ah

[zenith thorn]

a sarcasm

[dapper skiff]

Ishmael solo

She can do everything by herself

No need teammate

clueless

[woven haven]

if you don't have luna on team in fact

Ishmael cannot benefit from her own buffs/debuffs

[glass bay]

Peak

Unit of all time

[buoyant hornet]

It's funny because rn she's the only unit that can't effectively solo since no tanks will be able to properly shred for her lol

[feral pollen]

what if you field her with 2 dps of the same element

[jaunty beacon]

I'll play double Ishmael solo. New mechanic

[woven haven]

then neither

[buoyant hornet]

Unless there's something we don't know about yet

[turbid bridge]

Oh my gosh now that you mention it

She can’t even solo void

[woven haven]

she doesn't do anything

[wispy robin]

what is the entire purpose of giving her this double role though..

[buoyant hornet]

Once again I've been saying that multiple times 😭😭

[raw swift]

Should put ishmael and luna on the same team or is it losing out on dps?

[buoyant hornet]

She's useless in void without luna

[turbid bridge]

[orchid owl]

is it more important to trigger 4pc dv or to juggle rosetta shred? like delaying qte after ult so you can deal more damage with attacks

[dapper skiff]

Kuro cookings

[buoyant hornet]

Yeah that's what she's supposed to do

[rose yew]

usually 4dv for new wave

otherwise 6 lantern

[woven haven]

she can be either role depending on your best tank/amp

basically

if amp is strong then run tankshmael
if tank is strong then run ampshmael

[dapper skiff]

Depends in most of the time

Qte plays affect phys run majorly especially with higher ranks

[buoyant hornet]

She can replace certain units in pain cage

[brave briar]

Misinfo copied

Time to spread

[buoyant hornet]

And she can be adaptable in void tean

[dapper skiff]

Too late, people already soloing with her

[raw swift]

Pls don't be like cw 🤞

[dapper skiff]

Anything but like cw

[wispy robin]

does this still only really benefit void team or she can replace some slop amps in other teams

[zenith thorn]

considering she's a pink hair big boob girl

she's gonna have a massive fanbase

[deft apex]

basically, double as tank while an actual tank role isn't added

[woven haven]

she can slot into qte bot for other elements but onfielding = off element dmg

[deft apex]

perfect

[dapper skiff]

And haters too

[zenith thorn]

let them haters hate

[glass bay]

They nerfed her tho

[zenith thorn]

i love my elysia variant

[brave briar]

Skip everyone
Just get Ishmael

[dapper skiff]

Elyverse

[glass bay]

S+ r3 Ishmael?

[dapper skiff]

Throughout the multiverse

[jaunty beacon]

OMG ! We have an hoyo collab

[dapper skiff]

Naur

S+ r4

She needs it

[glass bay]

Human rights?

[dapper skiff]

Human rights

[zenith thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-rizz-skibidi-sigma-gif-10131848315256160502

[woven haven]

affix teams

[zenith thorn]

aether

no

don't hiroshima them

[grand jay]

Affix teams:

[woven haven]

nice burn team you have skipping nanami

nice ion team you have skipping karen

[brave briar]

Sorry
Jk

[wispy robin]

honestly ish doesn't feel nearly as broken as others as of now

[grand jay]

She's a gap filler and Capri replacement in PPC

[woven haven]

she's the same buff numbers as every amp/tank

so it doesn't really matter tbh

[grand jay]

The fact that she HAD to have the same tank passives as both thougj

[restive grove]

is she free tho?

[woven haven]

no

[dapper skiff]

Yes

Free for 15k.bc

[woven haven]

@grand jay u in yet?

[dapper skiff]

The usual thing u know

[grand jay]

Not yet

[dapper skiff]

[woven haven]

can u test if her QTE is 2 heal procs or just 1

[grand jay]

Download is taking its time

[restive grove]

[woven haven]

wanna see how bricked guin is

[dapper skiff]

I don't really bothered by ish beta rn

But they better be fixing her character portrait

Like how they did solacetune

[upper egret]

new babel

[restive grove]

hyperfraud bael is ril

[dapper skiff]

Hyperfraud in babel?

[jaunty beacon]

I don't give a sh about any non live content. And i barely care about CN

[restive grove]

im watching rex rn

[raw swift]

Hyperfraud

[dapper skiff]

Hyperfraud in babel gonna be fun with all of his ult1 parry and dodge sequence

[raw swift]

Hyperbrick

[rose yew]

hypercat

[woven haven]

ok i feel like i'm going crazy but it looks like ishmael has no innate off field shred/heals unless you ult1 and swap off

[dapper skiff]

Aintnoway

[upper egret]

lmao imagine

[woven haven]

like her qte does still buff

[dapper skiff]

Brick?

[grand jay]

Give me like 30 mins I'll confirm that for you

[dapper skiff]

[deft apex]

beta v1

[dapper skiff]

Brick

[woven haven]

but she doesn't have the fields or whatever new tanks have

[shrewd vale]

gg time to skip

[deft apex]

it's a bug guys clueless~1

[restive grove]

wow brickmael smh

[dapper skiff]

Ggwp

[woven haven]

you have to ult1 -> swap off for 12s field

[dapper skiff]

The Daren gimmick is real??

[restive grove]

ishmael from limbus still better

[dapper skiff]

Lepogre

[raw swift]

aight im bricking my acc going all in for s+ Ishmael

[dapper skiff]

Bro they should have kept her in npc jain

[grand jay]

No Hyperreal leap makes me sad but at least Hyperreal is in Babel

[dapper skiff]

[restive grove]

tru

[grand jay]

That fight goes sp hard

[distant wren]

Empress started beta stream

[raw swift]

[distant wren]

Time to see that beta void wz

[upper egret]

empress on twitch?

[distant wren]

Yt

[upper egret]

a

[dapper skiff]

The first hour is gonna be confusion only

[distant wren]

Looks like it rn lmao

[wispy robin]

there was no new leap in beta?

[grand jay]

Doesn't seem so

[distant wren]

No one talked abt it so prolly no

[turbid bridge]

It’s 1 tick like Capri

[dapper skiff]

Can wait until v2 or something

[turbid bridge]

Literally Capri V2

[zenith thorn]

pls no new leap

[dapper skiff]

I don't think they'd add everything for the new patch in v1

[upper egret]

[woven haven]

wait really?

[woven haven]

they do

there is no leap this beta unfortunately

[dapper skiff]

[raw swift]

[grand jay]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-sad-cry-upset-gif-17844592968796067655

[dapper skiff]

Thank god

[grand jay]

It's over Lee bros...

[dapper skiff]

One less leap for affix thing

[grand jay]

We still need a Burn and Glaci dps

[zenith thorn]

lmfao

[grand jay]

And an Umbra enabler

[zenith thorn]

jack of all trade,master of none

[dapper skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/blooprint-brick-rust-gif-26443262

[distant wren]

At the very least she still nearly killed crapi

[turbid bridge]

[jaunty beacon]

Tbf... Feral is one tick too

[dapper skiff]

Actually

[grand jay]

They might change it though

[turbid bridge]

Capri lives for yet another patch

[dapper skiff]

You're wrong on that

[woven haven]

no feral is 2 tick

that's why she can run 4guin

[dapper skiff]

She has mastered the art of stroking my -

[rose yew]

[upper egret]

[zenith thorn]

helper btw

[dapper skiff]

helper btw

[jaunty beacon]

If you solo qte feral, you won't activate 4 guin

[rose yew]

also 3 cottie 3 lan build

[dapper skiff]

That's what my privilege for

[grand jay]

4 gigs left

[woven haven]

? that's how all 4guins work?

2 tick = needs to hit 3 units

[dapper skiff]

That one time when I reincarnated promoted to helper in another gph so I can goon

[spiral merlin]

How’s ishmael dmg herself looking?

[jaunty beacon]

Feral activates 4 guin when you use dv. Empy can 4 guin with only her