📨・meta-help

[raw swift]

Idk, not having crapi while all in scire seems like a bad idea

[still moat]

i only harmo'd lamia and alisa this patch

[raw swift]

not really unless you have sss selena

[woven haven]

its 5% extra EDR Shred + 10% Dark Shred post-leap

doesn't fix the fact your capri is missing

[jaunty beacon]

wz should be so messy at this invest

[woven haven]

[raw swift]

sss doesnt give her more uptime

[pliant rose]

So should I prio my capri over SSS scire?

[raw swift]

You need to buy BP

[woven haven]

well here comes the issue

[raw swift]

until you have sss selena, ss3 r1 daren is\ good enough

[pliant rose]

Nah I stay f2p

[woven haven]

capri is probably due for replacement so

[raw swift]

affix wz

[pliant rose]

True

[raw swift]

wait no nvm

[pliant rose]

So annoying she might get replaced

[raw swift]

might as well solo lamia with 3s scire lol

[woven haven]

your daren is basically kinda really sitting there collecting dust

[raw swift]

what a shame

[woven haven]

3s scire is just ion tank at that point 😭

[raw swift]

Like if solo lamia

[woven haven]

without capri to help dark

[distant wren]

With how bad she is, it's to be expected tbh

[pliant rose]

Strong lamia and scire but no capri

[raw swift]

Even base S scire can do the job

As qte bot

[pliant rose]

Yeah I call her bad capri

[jaunty beacon]

ss solo lamia with 3s scire

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1226512449553825904.gif

[raw swift]

3s add some shred

Lol

[pliant rose]

I might just prio for 3s bad capri

[woven haven]

SSS is 25% EDR shred and 35% dark shred post-leap

its not bad honestly

[woven haven]

yeah but then you also need capri sig

[pliant rose]

Bye 3w scire

[still moat]

how good of increase is daren cub

[woven haven]

which is a tall order as f2p

[pliant rose]

I'll depend on my luck there

[woven haven]

because you also need Wata Luna Qu Hanying Lucia sigs more

[opaque ridge]

3s ur scire and then lilith comes out as dark tank

[woven haven]

than capri sig

[raw swift]

How did you get so many copy of scire?

[pliant rose]

Hehe yeah luck

[raw swift]

Your other characters?

[woven haven]

double ult dmg

[pliant rose]

In blue tickets

[still moat]

[jaunty beacon]

good on her but not that much overall, since it's already outdated

[still moat]

i feel like her ult doesnt do as much damage compared to her charged attack

[woven haven]

u are right

[pliant rose]

I even got this even tho I'm f2p haha

[raw swift]

Ya her main damage is the bonk

[woven haven]

but that's what it provides

[still moat]

i guess skip then

[woven haven]

ok why is the f2p rolling gacha skins

bruh

[jaunty beacon]

her damage were good 1y ago, but now...

[pliant rose]

Skin adds damage

[woven haven]

Lamia/Wata/Luna/Hanying/Lucia/Nanami cubs all much better

[hazy sandal]

Man its balter skin then

[mighty tusk]

to your account

[woven haven]

oh don't forget Wanshi CUB too

[restive grove]

brick dmg

[hazy sandal]

I understand

[raw swift]

How much bc you have left?

[still moat]

hey thats every upcoming S rank....

[pliant rose]

400

[jaunty beacon]

lamia's cub hit more than the whole karen's ult (with cub)

[pliant rose]

I always rely on my luck

[woven haven]

besides Qu yes

[raw swift]

balter skin gives 80% more dmg

[rugged cloud]

[pine slate]

This game runs on math more than luck

[pliant rose]

And my blue ticket guarantee is still not used

[woven haven]

EVERY cub besides Qu's is like a big wide gap number wise

[still moat]

damn alright i guess i have to add them to the planner

[pliant rose]

Ice qu cub is not that good?

[still moat]

cub is 5K bc guaranteed right

[pine slate]

Ye

[hazy sandal]

If youre planning only s rank single peacock then yes

[woven haven]

aside from the fact that its a peacock that uses eagle screech sfx
yeah the numbers on it are apparently not that big

[rugged cloud]

[woven haven]

according to atsushi SS Qu CUB and SS Kaleido CUB are relatively not that big a gap

[pliant rose]

S 5* kaleido is okay right? Since most say qu is solo?

[still moat]

damn i went negative

[rugged cloud]

eagle screech isn't actullay eagle screech, rite?

[pine slate]

Weapon resos help a bit to boost qu dmg

[raw swift]

heavy cope until then though

[woven haven]

6* is still 10% more ice dmg bonus on heal

and also harmo opener

[pliant rose]

I'll get her wep

[woven haven]

bro has every wep on the shopping list by now

[pliant rose]

S okay right as long as I get wep?

[distant wren]

Qu cub unique skill is like 30% atk up after core activation right?

I can see it not being that good then

[woven haven]

yeah'

[signal shell]

Hey CN bro's Any cub recommend for black rock shooter

[pine slate]

Would wanshi be better than S 5* kaleido?

Idk the duration of buff tho

[woven haven]

slap any SS Fire CUB

[opaque ridge]

yeah CN bro here, u dont use pets on her

[woven haven]

that's all

[jaunty beacon]

sss nitor is da wae

[woven haven]

but don't put any CUB that would go better on a teammate onto BRS

[jaunty beacon]

🫵

[woven haven]

if you have Hyperreal don't take his CUB for BRS lmao

[raw swift]

im pretty sure yes

[still moat]

do yall already got the 150 bc from survey ?

[opaque ridge]

what survey?

[pliant rose]

Rn?

[pliant rose]

Free nc nc

[woven haven]

its 10% ice for 8s vs 20% ice for 8s

[mighty tusk]

not yet iirc

[woven haven]

so yes Wanshi is better than no sig Kaleido

[still moat]

cause on cn i did a survey and instantly get it

[woven haven]

in WZ specifically only

[signal shell]

Haven't logged in to the game since 2 days ago, no electricity and grinding at work

[jaunty beacon]

they usually give it the patch after

[pine slate]

I thought wanshi was 5s

[woven haven]

PPC still prefers kaleido amp passive

wanshi is 8s fortunately

[pine slate]

Ok nvm

[woven haven]

he has construct rights after all

[pliant rose]

What class is the ice wanshi??

The new one

[pine slate]

Tank

[woven haven]

tank

[pine slate]

I'm talking about A wanshi

[woven haven]

free ice tank but with gutted numbers

[pine slate]

So ss r0 kaleido is the same as sss wanshi as well

[mighty tusk]

ss with sig and cub is enough to rotate?

[signal shell]

I got promoted to ultimate pain cage, can i get demoted if I don't score higher legit question, does it function like warzone

[pine slate]

Ig the extra amp passive for ppc is nice

[raw swift]

no

[jaunty beacon]

on a long run with no swap qu

[opaque ridge]

no swap qu

[raw swift]

the reward boost with ultimate is too much to pass up on

[signal shell]

Thank God honestly that's a relief

[opaque ridge]

shes just like alpha fr fr

[pliant rose]

So what's the minimum investment for qol of ice team for qu?

[raw swift]

are you doing bad in ultimate ppc...

[pine slate]

Ye ofc

[jaunty beacon]

wdym alpha was swap since her release 🏃‍♂️

[still moat]

why play solo qu ? isnt kaleido's rotation kinda does good damage

[jaunty beacon]

because qu is that good

[still moat]

[woven haven]

Black Rock Shooter FAQ Copypasta Time:
Q) Do I need to roll BRS?
A) No. You get A rank copy and 5* Weapon for free in event. Further ranks cost BC and the banner has no rateup S rank or any sort of pity carryover

Q) But I reallllllly want SSS+ BRS
A) That costs almost as much BC as SSS S ranks. Forget it

Q) BUT WAIFU
A) Go to #💬・pgr-general

[obtuse sapphire]

Could you do feral dps? My friend really wants to use her as an onfield dps

[distant wren]

Too much dmg gap + glory sucks, kaleido alone can't cover that much time

[pine slate]

Ice tank is trash until wanshi comes out

[mighty tusk]

got to gh?

[woven haven]

cuz the disparity between Chrome and Qu is the main issue

[still moat]

damn okay

[woven haven]

u solo qu anyways

[jaunty beacon]

gooning hospital

[signal shell]

Fire team is cooked, ice team non existant, dark team not even complete, basically it's just lee, lamia, crimson weave and empyrea carrying the team.

[woven haven]

people even run Changyu

over glory as qte bot

[still moat]

[woven haven]

or Void Luna + SSS Garnet

[pliant rose]

I run changeho

[still moat]

glory sucks as qte bot or what

[distant wren]

If glory no sig right?

[pliant rose]

I even switch lol

[raw swift]

lee phys?

[pine slate]

Trash qte, trash dmg

[woven haven]

his QTE range is the worst

[still moat]

[pine slate]

No gather, small range

[restive grove]

:gloryqte:

[pine slate]

Changyu has a lingering shred field iirc, and also wider

[still moat]

i got his sign for what then

[distant wren]

Oh glory qte is that bad huh?

[signal shell]

I meant hyperreal

[raw swift]

should i just not switch to chrome at all?

[pine slate]

Shred on qte

[pliant rose]

If I run changyu for my ice team what should I use for his memory?

[jaunty beacon]

sig chungus

[pine slate]

Glory sig is important for his qte to work

[still moat]

i guess its not that bad of investment

[raw swift]

should I try to double ult with plume or something

[woven haven]

either no sig both
Changyu better
Changyu sig but no glory sig
Changyu better
Both have sig
Changyu has worse shred% by 5% ice res shred but still has better range and everything else

[distant wren]

Lol damn

[pine slate]

Glory better for ppc tho but on wz changyu prolly better cuz of his qte

[woven haven]

yeah Glory still works on PPC

[raw swift]

changyu qte bot?

[jaunty beacon]

if both have no sig just use vera and eins kaleido 🏃‍♂️

[woven haven]

But i think WZ u default to SSS Glory anyways cuz the shred numbers are too high to compete

its only the below SSS that can tinker around with the funny comps

[pine slate]

[still moat]

damn

[feral pollen]

sss glory wtf

[still moat]

should i bother building changyu now

[woven haven]

i mean that's just logically looking at the scoreboards on legend

its all SSS glory then you can find the changyu/vera funnicomps after him mixed in with SS glory

doesn't matter they all die to wanshi anyways

and then wanshi dies to scuffed numbers

[obtuse sapphire]

Could you run feral dps? My friend really wants to use her as an onfield dps

[woven haven]

because free unit = nerfed numbers

[raw swift]

i have well more than enough materials to build changyu as qte bot, or do i need to swap him in for damage?

[woven haven]

no
she's just subdps at SS + Sig for Crimson Weave

[jaunty beacon]

ok, glory to solo/duo wz and garn for mob ♿

[woven haven]

and a pure QTE bot after Nanami's release rn

[pine slate]

Qte on ion too?

[woven haven]

Besides Feral isn't suited for dps builds unless you have like SSS or higher imo

she got kicked out of ion for SSS Nanami

[mighty tusk]

ss3 feral can run 2 darwin?

[woven haven]

no you run double ult cottie

[obtuse sapphire]

sigh i keep telling him that but he still insist he's making her a dps lmao

[jaunty beacon]

that's so cursed

[raw swift]

should i bench glory and build sss changwho

[woven haven]

well can't help it
i like feral gameplay too but that's the reality of it

[woven haven]

have glory sig or changyu sig?

[raw swift]

neither

[woven haven]

then changyu

[pine slate]

Then use changyu

[woven haven]

no need for SSS either that's a sig thing

[obtuse sapphire]

What memories would be suitable to make her a dps?

[raw swift]

but i feel like i have too little uptime with plume and kaleido

[woven haven]

4cottie4fran
need to learn an exclusive high rank rotation hence why i said SSS or above
because otherwise its not worth

[still moat]

if i have glory sign should i bother building changyu

no changyu sign

[jaunty beacon]

no

[raw swift]

i have to swap to changyu for atleast 5s

[woven haven]

double ult feral is really not a thing pre-ss3 rotation wise and the dmg is only really worth at sss imo

[pine slate]

No

[still moat]

alright

[woven haven]

nah

[pine slate]

No reason to build changyu if u have glory sig

[jaunty beacon]

except for holding einstina, changyu without sig has no extra value compare to any tank

[pine slate]

How wide is scire's qte btw

[obtuse sapphire]

4 cottie 4 fran??

[quartz dove]

Dmg only wortht at sss FURYLAO WAS RIGHT

[raw swift]

whats the benefit from building changyu over glory?

[woven haven]

dmg only build u idiot

[jaunty beacon]

pgr below SSS is the trial version

[woven haven]

yeah
its for the double ult rotation specifically
if you play feral normally that build is useless

[pine slate]

Bro he plays on premium+

[obtuse sapphire]

I mean 8 memories? I thought it was only 6

[woven haven]

harmo

[mighty tusk]

he prob has 105k BC left

[obtuse sapphire]

Oooh okay thanks!

[quartz dove]

I dont understand ur whel mindset

[woven haven]

better qte range

and better qte targeting

also lingering shred field if u have sig

[tulip spade]

Hi, everyone just wanted to ask for Crimson Weave PERFECT PARRY

At which** frame **will you trigger it for when the enemy is about to attack when you go perform hold stance.

is the timing based on:

a) the moment you press/hold the dodge keybind (prior to reaching in the actual holding stance)
b) the moment she is in the actual holding stance animation
c) the moment the FIRST red glint glows during the holding stance (theres 3 red glints during the whole animation)

[woven haven]

again all this is pretty whatever in the end once wanshi comes in with his fart dmg

[raw swift]

Damn, guess I'm stuck in trial version for quite a while

[pine slate]

I'm stuck on trial forever

Trial is enough on Asia tho

[raw swift]

Guys, a new player is asking who they should get

Any recommendations?

which selector?

[woven haven]

i'm fairly certain its b and then u get 3 parries for the whole duration u are holding dodge (which is until gauge is full + 1.5s after that)

the transition to the parry stance is pretty fast

there isn't actually any perfect parry

[raw swift]

what perfect parry?

[woven haven]

its just parry stance gives u 3 parries

[mighty tusk]

receiving no dmg right?

[woven haven]

he's asking about CW "perfect parry" where she blocks an attack

[raw swift]

i guess

[mighty tusk]

since usual block still deals chip dmg

[tulip spade]

sorry yes im referring to recieving no damage outright

[raw swift]

is it worth to even worry about that

[woven haven]

no its purely for flex

[tulip spade]

what is the timing specific at wh ich frame just when the enemy attacks you

[mighty tusk]

maybe for wz?

[woven haven]

you get iframes when releasing hold dodge

[mighty tusk]

but we barely need the perfect block

[tulip spade]

stylistic purposes guys,

[jaunty beacon]

Tiktok content

[woven haven]

he wants to be blanc 2.0

[raw swift]

i see

I doubt im going to post any pgr content any time soon though

[mighty tusk]

didn't aether answer that?

[tulip spade]

unsure of reference i just started 3 days ago, but yes i live for Perfect Parries (sekiro extremist here)

[woven haven]

i think its just better if you figure out the timing yourself if you want to style stuff cuz this really isn't the channel for that kinda thing and we already answered

also there's no point parrying stuff in pgr outside of specific bosses

[raw swift]

They asked if they should either pick arrival or fate arrival...

[woven haven]

and those boss parries are ATTACKING to counter it not holding dodge on cw

[mighty tusk]

neither

never go for any arrival

[woven haven]

so the mechanics are mismatched entirely

[mighty tusk]

even if cw is featured on arrival

[woven haven]

cw's parry stance cannot parry boss mechanics

[raw swift]

dont go for any arrival, and especially not on fate

[woven haven]

only actual damaging attacks will count towards boss parry

[raw swift]

Somebody just told them on #💬・pgr-general

[tulip spade]

when you say boss mechanics are you referring abilities and not basic attacks hey ?

[distant wren]

isn't cw "perfect" parry just when u happen to block enemy atk right when u start holding dodge?

if that's the case just practice timing i guess

[raw swift]

yes

[tulip spade]

thats what im asking at which animation frame does it trigger that .

[woven haven]

yes there's bosses with attacks that can be parried for extra dmg or to stun them
to "parry" in those cases it just means to connect any attack with the boss model mid-attack

[mighty tusk]

yea, you trigger matrix if done right

[woven haven]

CW's "parry stance" is ENTIRELY different

[spiral merlin]

Parry this

[woven haven]

and it doesn't interact with those boss mechanics afaik

[distant wren]

doesn't that depend on when the attack is coming?

aka varies depends on the move

[tulip spade]

yes i know the timing is literally just before the point of contact. Talking respectively cw animation timing

[jaunty beacon]

Bastion's parry

[distant wren]

if ur asking for specific frame data i doubt you'll get the answer

[lusty raft]

With the amount of vfx on the screen, how does one read the enemy attack pattern?

[distant wren]

this isn't an fg after all

[raw swift]

trial and errror 💪

[woven haven]

sound cues at times

[jaunty beacon]

People remove the bloom in setting

[woven haven]

or just knowing the attack patterns after a while

[tulip spade]

my understanding is people lower their graphics to help slightly

[pine slate]

I usually never read attack patterns

Just bruteforce everything

[woven haven]

actual endgame pgr is more just iframe spam to the max

because enemy attacks = stagger = lose dps time = oops buffs ran out

[raw swift]

alot of the bosses' attacks are very telegraphed

[woven haven]

hence the whole issue with qu having wide open gaps for her to stagger and lose core duration

[still moat]

which attacker wants 4pc frederick on ppc besides plume ?

[woven haven]

SSS Balter rn

[still moat]

ss3 cant ?

[woven haven]

and SSS CW

no it has to be SSS

[still moat]

damn

[jaunty beacon]

Ss3 can

[woven haven]

and fred gets powercrept on Qu patch anyways

[still moat]

[woven haven]

not worth it

really

[still moat]

do people even use plume for ppc

[woven haven]

core kill on SS3 is so bad

[quartz dove]

Dalao whel talk

[jaunty beacon]

Less now with harmo. But that was the build for hell udc. And some other stuffs

[woven haven]

to my understanding test/elite stages have invested plumes over kaleido cuz marginally faster

[still moat]

ah

[tulip spade]

Does NOCTIS happen to have a PERFECT PARRY or just normal parries in general throughout the holding stance ?

[spiral merlin]

Any excuse to not use plume is a good excuse ayla is good enough

[woven haven]

just tap dodge WITHOUT moving joystick to parry

if you move joystick its a dodge

if you don't move its a block

[tulip spade]

ok so theres a single initial tap for PERFECT timing

and a hold for normal block

is that correct ?

[woven haven]

wow GR is massively snail on updating yata text

[spiral merlin]

Nanami is going to release before it at this rate

[woven haven]

if you hold its just normal block yeah i think
he does this taunt anim when holding dodge

on another note i just realised how much of a clusterfeck Hanying core is to read in the context of trueslash comp due to the debuff she applies

[dapper skiff]

Lucia builds are missing

They went off table

[pine slate]

Gray raven fell off fr

[jaunty beacon]

They're sick of gp-h slanders 🏃‍♂️

[pine slate]

One time they change cw ss reso to basic + ult

[sly geyser]

[dapper skiff]

Isn't it still?

[hazy sandal]

Still, but soon will change

[pine slate]

Idk

[woven haven]

actually i dunno if setsu's rotation guide for ts hanying works on SS3

[pine slate]

I thought they changed it already

[woven haven]

because you have a lot fewer orbs generated

[pine slate]

They should

[still moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[woven haven]

[hazy sandal]

God
I don’t feel reviewing whole text but I must do it

[woven haven]

SSS Hanying generates more orbs when doing the stabbing animation

[hazy sandal]

[woven haven]

which doesn't work with SS3

so TS Hanying might have to cut rotation short on SS3

[dapper skiff]

They did

[pine slate]

Ok good

[dapper skiff]

But now their Fred set is 6x atk 6x ult

[pine slate]

Idk who tf thought its a good idea

[dapper skiff]

[pine slate]

They got influenced by fel's zaza speech

[dapper skiff]

They have 2 harmo build

[pine slate]

Nvm

[dapper skiff]

4 diesel 4 fred
4 diesel 4 cottie

Both 6x atk 6x ult

[tulip spade]

Another question , what is your guys approach when it comes to COMBAT in relation to dodging and PARRY (depending on character on field)

Do you guys either:

A) Do short bursts of combos in between enemy attacks/abilities and then briefly stop and anticipate the next enemy attack with a dodge/parry then burst another combo and REPEAT this process at every gap interval of enemy attacks

or

B) Constantly comboing (no pause) and dodge/parry when you see the enemy attack- mid combo and REPEAT this PROCESS

[still moat]

wait what

is that wrong ?

[pine slate]

Ye

[woven haven]

C) Iframe spam so there's no need to weave in dodges

[dapper skiff]

Less optimal

[pine slate]

Cw uses 6 basic 6 atk

[spiral merlin]

Don’t let the enemy attack and you don’t have to dodge

[dapper skiff]

It is the SSS rank build

[still moat]

[pine slate]

[dapper skiff]

[woven haven]

see the issue is you look at PGR from fighting game perspective

[dapper skiff]

I'd just keep it if that was me

[woven haven]

this is a DPS check game not a parry/dodge focused game

[hazy sandal]

[sly geyser]

D) read the story to know to parry

[tulip spade]

my experience there is a short moment of hyperarmor so they are never fully stunlock

[hazy sandal]

Ohhhhh they are working

[still moat]

how much of a dps increase though

[woven haven]

see the thing is
the best defence is death

if the enemy interrupts your combo you might as well reset the run

that's how PPC runs go

[spiral merlin]

The best defense is a good offence

[mighty tusk]

wz too

[dapper skiff]

Probably not noticeable on your case right now

[woven haven]

dodge/parry is literally more a hindrance to your score than a "crucial gameplay aspect"

[mighty tusk]

imagine getting staggered with cw

[still moat]

hmm alright

[dapper skiff]

Unless you can one shot bosses in pain cage ultimate

[woven haven]

and some units are easy to stagger because they have uninterruptible animations that can still be staggered through

so you can't exactly dodge that

as for the matrix time slow you get on dodge
modern units just have a way to automatically trigger the time slow and it eats up the charge from the dodge one

so even less reason to dodge

[tulip spade]

yes thats why im asking these questions as im new to PGR, i come from a sekiro/nioh 2 background so the usual approach in those games is short windows of opportunities

but I appreciate you mentioning score is the major factor here which is what matters most

[still moat]

i dont think i can

i only have SS CW

[woven haven]

yeah drop that mindset entirely cuz this is not that kinda game

this is literally DPS RUSH

if you even let the enemy get a window of opportunity off on you the run's kinda in trouble

every unit has an optimal rotation of combos

[mighty tusk]

this game hasn't introduced a permanent game mode that heavily incentivizes styling

[woven haven]

once they are done, swap to next unit to continue or repeat the first combo

[mighty tusk]

this game is far from DMC like people claim it to be

[pine slate]

Ye the one with better rotation and execution just wins here

And investment ofc

[tulip spade]

i know by design of the game is about DPS RUSH like @woven haven mentions. Yet people choose to do stylistic videos of perfect parry's , especially on ultimates 😅

[woven haven]

that's just for views

[dapper skiff]

Contents

[woven haven]

there's no reason to actually play that way

people just want to show off the animations

[mighty tusk]

and the content reflects that

[distant wren]

the moment u see someone claims x game is "basically y game" over the most basic observation u know they're full of sht lol

[zenith thorn]

there's content for styling

[tulip spade]

i understand that ! But I do love seeing that I guess ha.

[woven haven]

and "skill" in the entirely wrong way

learning how to parry and stuff in pgr is useless unless its a relevant boss in PPC or smth

[distant wren]

in pgr's case it's ppl seeing alpha gameplay

[woven haven]

because most ppc runs boil down to "kill them asap before they can move"

and usually involve lots of stunlocking bosses through ults and matrix

[mighty tusk]

where's that vid where wata kills roland in 6 sec

[tulip spade]

I understand that , and the same concept applies where people choose to play NOCTIS , even though hes A selector (off meta) - hes got amazing animations that feel impactful

[zenith thorn]

the only time where boss mechanic actually matter for ppc is probably moon eater and their blue glow weakness

[mighty tusk]

still funny to this day

[pine slate]

Typical ppc run

[mighty tusk]

I forgot, what invest was this?

[woven haven]

yeah but just big word of warning
most parry content u see fall into one of two categories

1. Story fight. Scripted SSS+ Story unit against boss with cutscenes
2. FREE BOSS TRIALS. This is a no score mode where you can freely tweak boss stats like HP/ATK etc and choose the difficulty, and then defeat them with no timer

[feral pollen]

parry ball too

[spiral merlin]

No idea

[zenith thorn]

parry ball isn't in ppc

[woven haven]

NONE of these 2 are any relevant to actual pgr gameplay loop

the WZ/PPC runs are nothing like this

[distant wren]

I think outside of wz every stage still has a hidden 5 min timer right?

and they warn u when only 1 min is left

[spiral merlin]

Sometimes you just gotta relax with stylish gameplay in celicas class

[honest dagger]

Bonjour je suis nouveau et français

[quartz dove]

English

[zenith thorn]

english

[hazy sandal]

영어

[feral pollen]

@woven haven do brs tix from brs patch packs convert to gc after patch ends?

[zenith thorn]

English

[quartz dove]

Bangsat

[zenith thorn]

pookie's mom

[tulip spade]

Alot of parry videos I see is on Mother Structure , is that boss like really easy telegraphed to perform those is that why ?

[glass bay]

Because most bosses don't have regular parryable attacks

[hazy sandal]

Pretty basic standard parry difficulty in pgr parry contents

[spiral merlin]

Everyone likes to bully the parry ball

[zenith thorn]

pretty much simple telegraphed attack

really predictable

and it's the first parry boss

[feral pollen]

parrying in pgr is hella easy compared to say sekiro or ds

[spiral merlin]

Parry ball had enough and became goth dommy mommy frfr

[hazy sandal]

If you are able to parry hive with kamui Bastion then you master this boss and go to another bosses

[spiral merlin]

Bastion is kinda like playing a souls game tbh

[hazy sandal]

With rosetta cub, I mean.

[mighty tusk]

nothing like sekiro that's for sure

[raw swift]

i practice bastion sometimes on lil camu

[zenith thorn]

comparing fromsoft games to gacha game is an insult to fromsofts

[spiral merlin]

Big sword, distinct dodge roll

[still moat]

SSS capri or SS3 alisa ?

[mighty tusk]

frfr

[distant wren]

ss3 alisa doesn't do anything so...

[raw swift]

both

oh alisa??

sss capri then

[still moat]

[hazy sandal]

Home run

[shadow mica]

I find Sekiro parry much easier. Not the fights as a whole, just the parry.
Mostly because I hate not having a dedicated parry button

Playing ff16 atm and it has the same parry system. Attack the attack to parry, so I dont use it

[mighty tusk]

the game additionally punishes you for not keeping up at their fast-paced gameplay

the pace is similar to bloodborne

[pine slate]

DS parry is hard tho

[mighty tusk]

ds1 is piss easy, it's ds3 that kinda "revamps" it

since ds1 startup animation counts as parry

[pine slate]

I haven't played 1 or 2

[mighty tusk]

try playing ds1

[still moat]

does this effect expired after exiting the battlefield

[mighty tusk]

final boss is very easy because of the parry mechanics

[tulip spade]

so in other words alot of other bosses have more abilities and less basic attacks (which are the parryable ones) ?

[pine slate]

I'm busy on deadlock these days

[raw swift]

its just that you cant parry alot of bosses

[dapper skiff]

No

Permanent buff

[tulip spade]

is that based on what i said in relation to their kit ? More Abilities less basic attacks ?

[still moat]

feral should be fine using it yea ?

[dapper skiff]

Parryable bosses are only in story, some game modes and events.

In daily or weeklies Mission there are rarely bosses that has parry (almost to none)

[dapper skiff]

Usable enough

[still moat]

i saw them wz lightning run and i saw feral doing double ult is there a requirement for that

[raw swift]

You can't parry alot of their special moves regardless

[still moat]

i assume it also requires cottie

[tulip spade]

thats what im implying , basic attacks only parryable so their kit has more abilities rather than basic attack animations

[dapper skiff]

SS3 rank minimum to benefits double rot and requires signature weapon with dlt resonance for comfortable rotation

Also yes, she use cottie for it

[still moat]

at ss without dlt no need to do it ?

[dapper skiff]

No need

Time losses

Just do singular core passive to ult rotation

[pine slate]

Their basics not parryable either

[raw swift]

I feel like most bosses have more basic attacks than abilities either

[tulip spade]

how do you know whats parryable then

[raw swift]

When it glows usually

[tulip spade]

any attacks you can parry thats non glow ?

[raw swift]

No

Atleast from what I recall

[dapper skiff]

Only specific bosses has it

So you simply know which boss gonna do parry

Which ones doesn't

For those bosses that has parry-able

They have orange ish indicator before attacks that can be parried

[tulip spade]

based on what @raw swift its strictly the glow attacks ONLY ? thats cued to be parryable ?

[dapper skiff]

That's pretty much it

Orange glow yes

[tulip spade]

red glints ?

[raw swift]

Mostly orange but some bosses have red and blue glints

[dapper skiff]

Red or Orange

About the same

Only that mechanic has those cue

[tulip spade]

what are all these colord glints mean ?

why different colors

[dapper skiff]

Red or Orange are parry attacks

[woven haven]

should i think

[tulip spade]

and you can parry all those colors ?

[dapper skiff]

No

[tulip spade]

blue is grab ?

[raw swift]

Though do be warned, most enemies that have a blue colored attack are uniframe grabs

[dapper skiff]

Blue is special mechanic that's locked behind some Character only

[woven haven]

construct collab tix -> yellow
wep collab tix -> red

[dapper skiff]

You can call it that

It's mostly useless most of time

[raw swift]

Only one boss, Primal Projection has a blue parry color

[dapper skiff]

Don't get your hope high

[tulip spade]

so

yellow/red = can parry

blue = must dodge only

?

[dapper skiff]

Visual illusions

Most of primal projection environment are blue and purple ish

[raw swift]

Blue is usually for uniframes

[woven haven]

blue is usually uniframe counter specifically

that's all

[tulip spade]

counter ?

[woven haven]

a mechanic only a niche set of units has access to

[tulip spade]

the game will explain to me once i reached to that stage hey ?

im still new level ehre

[woven haven]

no the game will not explain that LMAO

[tulip spade]

OH

[woven haven]

anyways ignore blue stuff

no point cuz 99% of units don't have access to it

[tulip spade]

that is a uniframe description ?

[woven haven]

uniframe counter/execution skills

[raw swift]

pulling for uniframes is a spender thing

[woven haven]

there's only 7 uniframes in the game and they've been discontinued

[tulip spade]

ok so blue glints only pop up for when you are using uniframes in the given moment depending on the enemy/mission yeah ?

[woven haven]

its not even for spenders anymore

they're defunct units

[raw swift]

you'll only really use uniframes in norman and guild siege

[tulip spade]

So besides uniframes outside of that

its yellow/red glints

can someone explain to me why theres different colors when you can parry either ?

[mighty tusk]

and even the norman nodes, they will remove uniframes

[raw swift]

design

[tulip spade]

is one ability and one basic attack ?

[raw swift]

no

it really depends on the boss

[dapper skiff]

You won't likely see these parry/counter mechanic after playing the game for a while

Just saying

[tulip spade]

i feel like it serves no puirpose differintiate colors no ?

[raw swift]

its simply design choices

[dapper skiff]

This isn't the game for it
You only found these mechanic for side event/old story stages

[raw swift]

you'll only find these in stories and babel tower and some other special modes that have bosses

[tulip spade]

main content is basically dodge heavy then ?

[raw swift]

yes

[tulip spade]

where do i go to practice bosses I have come across so far ?

[mighty tusk]

celica's class has some past bosses

only a few can be parried

[tulip spade]

where?|

[dapper skiff]

It's an action rpg

You can simply hit things hard enough until they die to complete a stage

[tulip spade]

Have i not unlocked it yet ?

[mighty tusk]

have you progressed through the story?

[dapper skiff]

No need dodging, no need parry, no need anything

[zenith thorn]

i mean look
if you wanna play pgr as an actual hack and slash and styling,go all means
it's entirely your choice

[mighty tusk]

that far

[tulip spade]

is that far or no ?

[zenith thorn]

but you can't expect it on actual main content of the game,which is wz wnd ppc

[tulip spade]

im guessing im not far enough to unlock any bosses ?

[pine slate]

Endgame requires u to not dodge or parry

[mighty tusk]

so far from the relevant bosses

[quartz dove]

Not dodge wdym u fdog all the time dazzlao

[tulip spade]

this statement meaning im not far enough ?

[mighty tusk]

yes

[pine slate]

I don't dodge the enemy attacks

I dodge to cancel animation

[tulip spade]

which stage do i get a boss to practice ? do you recall ?

[tulip spade]

is your dodging per say is more reliant on the iframe spam instead ?

[raw swift]

Chapter 15 is really the first "hard" boss I recall

[mighty tusk]

we dodge to cancel certain actions because they take too long

[raw swift]

Yes damage is more important so you wanna attack as much as possible

[pine slate]

Eh no

[zenith thorn]

year 0 roland

[pine slate]

I dodge to cancel long animations like orbs

[zenith thorn]

some people got checked on budget twins too

[tulip spade]

what do you do to avoid incoming attacks then ?

[pine slate]

Wz and ppc are time sensitive content

[raw swift]

You can fight Hamlet in Recitativo di Fantasia

[pine slate]

Nothing

[mighty tusk]

also dodge

[zenith thorn]

dodge,i frame,reset

[pine slate]

Just kill the enemies before they do anything

[tulip spade]

bosses that have x100

[pine slate]

We don't actively dodge an attack

[zenith thorn]

time consuming content, don't let them hit or dodge for matriz

[tulip spade]

surely you dodge at that point

[pine slate]

We just do our rotations

[zenith thorn]

legit just i frames

[raw swift]

Well if you NEED to dodge, then do it

[pine slate]

That's not an indicator of HP amount

Lilith boss in ppc has 13m hp and is 30x
Voodoo have like half of it's hp and also 30x

[tulip spade]

im getting 2 totally different viewpoints here..😅

[quartz dove]

Typical gph experience

[mighty tusk]

because people here are at endgame

[zenith thorn]

yep

[pine slate]

[quartz dove]

Dumbfounded and confusef

[tulip spade]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[zenith thorn]

ok look
dodge when necessary

is that sufficient

[raw swift]

its really that simple

[zenith thorn]

dodge isn't the priority
but when you are forced to for matrix ping or just survival,just dodge

[tulip spade]

he said rotation , is he referring to having the abilitty to dodge attack upon swap ?

[mighty tusk]

does this include hyperreal?

[zenith thorn]

characters swapping

[sleek basin]

speaking of this, can cr voodoo kill him?

[tulip spade]

i still get hit upon character swap ?

[raw swift]

mostly yes

[mighty tusk]

yes? As if he has enough dmg

[sleek basin]

[mighty tusk]

iirc, @quartz dove cleared voodoo CR cycle with his fire

[zenith thorn]

i am so confused on what you are talking and confused about

[mighty tusk]

or was it tifa one?

[raw swift]

are there i-frames on switching characters

[finite cove]

Happy2.

[tulip spade]

you guys said you can dodge upon character swap , but when i tried it , i still get hit

[raw swift]

cause you aint dodge

[mighty tusk]

Good indicator you actually dodge perfectly is when you trigger matrix

[zenith thorn]

we dodge upon swap to skip their intro 3ping

waste of time for no dmg

[finite cove]

Hello guys,please subscribe and like my comment. ~Coming soon

[tulip spade]

do team Presets include saving the builds or just the characters only?

[shadow holly]

dazzal just meant that with efficient rotations you have very high uptime on iframes/damage reduction on most new chars

so u kinda like
don't really need dodging

[pine slate]

Chars like lamia, cw

U never dodge to dodge an enemy's attack

[analog coral]

If you move fast enough just simply avoid getting locked on

[pine slate]

U dodge to cancel their long ass animations

[tulip spade]

you basically rely on the flare move and ultimate execution for iframes hey ?

spamming*

[finite cove]

Gen 2 newer unit have bunch of I frames moves,if your rotate properly to mix the I frames from ult,you basically immortal-most of the time tho. Some boss actually still can kill you one hit

[sleek basin]

mems no, cub and cub skills yes

[tulip spade]

and stance dash (after letting go hold)

[zenith thorn]

what are those

[finite cove]

Totally not voodoo at 14/14 AS

[still moat]

does daren always automatically prioritize 1p orb in matrix ?

[zenith thorn]

it takes matrix as its own
does not consume any orb

[still moat]

huh

[finite cove]

If you hold charge I think it is still random as long as you had enough 3ping. Including the matrix ping

[shadow holly]

here's the fun thing
to avoid Daren ruining a potential 3ping by using a matrix orb + to avoid making an algorithm to decide which orb to use, Daren charge during matrix doesn't use an orb
it simply uses up the matrix effect

[finite cove]

Oh that cool

[still moat]

ahh

[woven haven]

ion daren staring guiltily into the distance

[still moat]

thats nice

[tulip spade]

for NOCTIS guys

do you focus on prioritising executing the Ultimate punch straight away once given the opportunity hey?

there is never a moment to constantly continuing orb pinging dragging it out in the ultimate stance correct ?

[shadow holly]

[finite cove]

So enter matrix then hold charge into bonk mode

I wish I had ss3 daren tho

[woven haven]

dark daren with matrix just eats 6 orbs at ss3
ion daren at every rank has to eat 10 orbs

[mighty tusk]

ngl, I dont use him
you guys answer for him

[shadow holly]

yeah and so if u do 3x3 when u have matrix on Daren, instead of 7 orbs you'd think she consumes, she'll just rearrange them and consume 2x3

[woven haven]

and she only gains 1 from the ion combo

[finite cove]

Wtf is ion daren

[mighty tusk]

scire leap

ionization affix daren

[finite cove]

Wtf...how on earth you have bunch of 3 ping to eat bruh

[woven haven]

the rotation for ion

[finite cove]

Oh future content then🗿

[woven haven]

you need 3p red -> matrix ping (guaranteed) -> 3p -> 3p

and you get 1 free orb before matrix ping

[zenith thorn]

dlt

[woven haven]

and YES IT HAS TO BE RED TO START

[finite cove]

Dang that's tight,is that even possible for ss0 or ss3 even

[woven haven]

if you don't see red its reset the wz run entirely

[zenith thorn]

must be fun

[finite cove]

Oh malding for ping again at future content 🗿

[dapper skiff]

How do you even do that

[woven haven]

ok not 3red to start for the combo

[dapper skiff]

Tap 3p red and hold for core right away?

[woven haven]

just needs to be any red BUT

[dapper skiff]

Or just hold

[still moat]

cant u infinitas it

[dapper skiff]

Infinitas is one time

[rugged cloud]

[dapper skiff]

On start

[finite cove]

Future content guys,future suffering

[woven haven]

that only works once dear
subsequent rotations

[still moat]

ah

[finite cove]

[woven haven]

wdym you're not doing core

[zenith thorn]

man affix team sounds so fun to play
can't wait

[finite cove]

As of now daren is meh,and need full investment to make her useful

At ss0 + sig she is just a shredder ig

[woven haven]

ion daren rng is bad

only really fixable with DLT + SSS3/SSS+

[still moat]

[feral pollen]

lmao

[dapper skiff]

So you have different input with leap

[finite cove]

Peak cinema 🖐️💀🖐️

[woven haven]

@dapper skiff its not core its
Ping red to enter combo mode
ping 3x3 ping to do aerial combo (new one, not bonk)
hold atk to stop combo and activate ion mode

[still moat]

is that why i see pyroath + daren + feral on lightning team in cn wz

[woven haven]

yes that's the ionization team

Daren enables ion mode for lucia because Lucia cannot do it herself

[still moat]

i dont have feral and leap daren to do it

[dapper skiff]

Fair ig

[mighty tusk]

nanami

[woven haven]

big L then

[feral pollen]

time to load up rc for dat brs selector sss karen here i come

[woven haven]

its not like you can really substitute daren

[dapper skiff]

I'll just charge ion half bar with crippled Daren and do the rest with lucia

[finite cove]

Now we need to save and plan ahead for gleam future guys

[woven haven]

she's the entire backbone of the team

[finite cove]

It seems future content is harsh

[dapper skiff]

At least I didn't skipped Daren

[finite cove]

Rip daren skipper rhen

[mighty tusk]

I skipped daren

[woven haven]

you know its 5 basics + tap blue for 25% gauge right on lucia

[finite cove]

[still moat]

will she replace daren on ion team ?

[woven haven]

she replaces 21 at high ranks

[last oasis]

If my memory placement isn't efficient should I put off resonating or it doesn't matter that much?

[finite cove]

Who could've have thought daren will be backbone in future content

[woven haven]

and its mainly talking SSS Nanami first

SS3 and below is still murky

[still moat]

damn 2 tanks ?

[glass bay]

machi long ass entrance is so bricked

[mighty tusk]

still unknown if ss3 below nanami can do that

[woven haven]

Daren as ion tank has only 15% lightning res shred
Nanami at SSS has 45% + the -3s swap cd reduction

more lucia uptime = more score

and Nanami has more personal dmg than 21

[still moat]

crazy

[shadow holly]

yeah Daren is still needed to stack up the ion stacks
but nanami can become better than feral at high ranks because swap cooldown reduction + huge shred and also does good damage on her own

[still moat]

feels like the newer unit really have big gains on SS3/SSS than old units

[woven haven]

anyways point is
u want to play ion
deal with daren leap

[dapper skiff]

Ik

[feral pollen]

feral powercrept 😭

[dapper skiff]

Atleast I have something to work with

[woven haven]

wait till umbra CW needs Daren too WOOOOOOOOOO

[dapper skiff]

[woven haven]

but ur amp passive is expired by then

[raw swift]

We can place our bet

[woven haven]

just mald dlt rng resets

[finite cove]

In short Karenina is kurogames favorite child.

[mighty tusk]

we haven't seen umbra content yet so....

[raw swift]

Who's the next umbra guy

[feral pollen]

is this pgr anymore? no this is daren holding three teams together

[finite cove]

Totally not because more reason for you too pull her skin

[dapper skiff]

You wouldn't be surprised with how there is gonna be many people who gonna use cw on ion wz and wondering why they do sht

Or simply solo Lucia (they don't even know how to enter ion mode)

[finite cove]

[still moat]

3 ?

[dapper skiff]

I'm only using slingshot in a war

But at least I'm going against toddler

[feral pollen]

dark, ion, and soon umbra

[still moat]

whats umbra

[mighty tusk]

dark affix

cw has it right now

[still moat]

lamia powercrept by CW ?

[woven haven]

and she sucks at it

[mighty tusk]

hell nah

[finite cove]

Basically DOT element on top of character element

[woven haven]

no affix comp =/= regular element

[raw swift]

looks like lightning, sounds like lightning, used to have a lightning symbol, buff by lightning, but it's not lightning

[woven haven]

that's not what affixes are

[finite cove]

Pgr is going more complex for no reason

[woven haven]

DoT is just burn u bozos

[feral pollen]

bruh it almost feels like kuro looked at glb and decided 'yep time to fvck them up real good'

[woven haven]

[still moat]

is it just because CW has no team for it for now

[shadow holly]

yeah

[mighty tusk]

no. Because dark affix dmg is NOT the same as dark dmg

[raw swift]

Changyu umbra tank

[glass bay]

how u know cn not bricked too

[raw swift]

👍

[mighty tusk]

so cw umbra content is nonexistent yet

[finite cove]

No brother, dot have poison,bleed, paralyzed,melt,bloom

[mighty tusk]

Dark affix = umbrasurge btw

[woven haven]

cuz you need to generate 15 umbra stacks every rotation for max dmg but cw can only generate less than 6-7 or so with the least optimal rotation just to stack it

and if you run normal CW rotation she just gets 1 stack and loses it asap

[feral pollen]

dark amp lilith will save umbra trust

[finite cove]

CN is cooked fr 1st 😎

Rip for them

[shadow holly]

pass that zaza ur on

[woven haven]

basically Affix Attackers all share the aspect of "scuffed like hell"

and need a secondary enabler to allow them to actually output dmg

[zenith thorn]

btw aether how essential is garnet leap

[woven haven]

Lucia needs Scire
Balter leap needs Hanying (SS3)
CW leap needs a future unit who's not here yet

[woven haven]

SS 15% Shred -> SSS 35% Shred

[raw swift]

Garnet leap no affix?

[finite cove]

As of now it seems Daren investment is peak important,from our small discussion

[tulip spade]

do serums stop regenerating aftte reaching 157 ?

[woven haven]

decide if you care enough about that

[raw swift]

Bricked

[zenith thorn]

f*ck me in the ass

my leap mats

[raw swift]

Yeah stopped

[woven haven]

yes she loves her sss3 rn

[finite cove]

Time to delete gacha games,and focus on irl life

[woven haven]

esp since its voucherable

[finite cove]

Hmm...so save our voucher ticker for her...ahhhh! You gave us important heads up

[feral pollen]

but but think of the waifus you'll leave behind

[finite cove]

Thank you now voucher had reason to be save for future content

[woven haven]

yeah don't get ur hopes up

there's a tidal wave of voucher units

[finite cove]

You always keep doubt in your heart. Thank you shifu 🔥

[woven haven]

garn -> empy -> scire -> wanshi -> balter -> cw -> more to come

good luck having vouchers for all

[zenith thorn]

[woven haven]

even with the qu patch buffed income

[finite cove]

[zenith thorn]

im going to enjoy thos

[woven haven]

scire -> wanshi -> balt is also back to back patches btw

there is 0 saving time

same with garn -> empy

[still moat]

is this of release order or importance

[tulip spade]

best way to farm serum packs besides daily rewards ?

[sleek basin]

💳

[raw swift]

Wait faster or swipe

[tulip spade]

i dont understand

[finite cove]

Such is life,you sacrife waifu you gain laifu

[sleek basin]

time or money

[raw swift]

Either you wait for regeneration or buy stamina using your credit card

[woven haven]

release order

[sleek basin]

some events give serum packs as rewards
a little bit

[still moat]

what about of importance

[woven haven]

Garn -> empy -> 2 break patches -> scire -> wanshi -> balt -> 1 break patch -> cw

is the timeline for voucher units

[finite cove]

Sir we didn't talk about swaipu power nor we promote it here.

[zenith thorn]

they are so packed together

[dapper skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-5621418030291735983

[woven haven]

lmao asking that is asking for trouble

[still moat]

[zenith thorn]

all of them are

[woven haven]

all of them being voucherable to SSS/SSS3 are insanely strong

[zenith thorn]

[woven haven]

the best i can tell u is since wanshi is new gen tank he has 45% shred and -3s swap cd on SSS

he can replace an SS0 Wata (but not SSS Wata) in void comps

[feral pollen]

dam ss wata bricc

[woven haven]

but he's only voucher unit not BP shard selector unit

[dapper skiff]

I'm probably gonna allocate all of my f2p voucher for him from now

[woven haven]

if anything they kneecapped wanshi so badly

[dapper skiff]

SS0 roset, kale, empy, Alisa is already useful for me

[woven haven]

that he needs SSS to beat an SS0 Wata

[dapper skiff]

[still moat]

i shouldnt bother using voucher for current 3 unit in the shop and save it for future units ?

[dapper skiff]

Depends

[feral pollen]

when was the last time they didn't kneecap free unit

[still moat]

im really close to SSS capri

[dapper skiff]

You're losing stuff eitherway

[still moat]

18 shards away

[dapper skiff]

Can't remember

[feral pollen]

exactly

[dapper skiff]

I don't even know if they ever didn't

[feral pollen]

it's sss or gtfo

[woven haven]

SSS+*

[tulip spade]

Does Auto Clear affect Rewards?

[woven haven]

at higher invest dark u start to feel that sss capri is annoyingly restricted in rotation time and memory builds

[zenith thorn]

cappy is the first S right?
outside of selector

[glass bay]

So tiring to do machi

[dapper skiff]

No

[sleek basin]

no

[woven haven]

so now u look at SSS+ that lets u skip pings entirely and remove cottie

[zenith thorn]

from day 1,free charas is already bricked

[woven haven]

wao so tempting

SSS+ garn is just dmg so no need to bother with that
SSS+ empy is also just dmg so no need to bother with that
SSS3 Scire now voucherable uh oh

Wanshi DPS benefits from every SSS - SSS+ rank

[zenith thorn]

but but
i thought s+ only dmg

[woven haven]

Balter also gets a very hefty boost in dmg from SSS -> SSS+

oopsie

[feral pollen]

s+ capybara insta ult on swap

[woven haven]

and then CW SSS -> SSS+ is good dmg

not really on the same scale as the others but its smth

[still moat]

damn

must buy BP every patch

[woven haven]

this is considering post-leap and with vouchers so

[feral pollen]

it's funny paradox cw is the most bricked while being the most popular

[woven haven]

if you ever spend BC on any of their ranks rn u are cooked

[woven haven]

tbh that's more a fault of her design

she's the only unit who isn't really quickspam

and has a lengthy uncancellable animation sequence that is most of her dmg

[dapper skiff]

It's bricked because it's popular

[feral pollen]

imagine the swapped scalings between ult2 and slam with leap

[dapper skiff]

Cw is already equal to Balter and hyper as sub dps now

[woven haven]

this is why CW leap has +90% base dmg bonus to ult

butttttttttttt

[dapper skiff]

But people simply couldn't accept she is

[woven haven]

unfortunatelyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

CW already has a ton of base dmg bonus to ult

so that number is severely diluted

[umbral glacier]

does your pity stay until the next banner

[dapper skiff]

Same banner stays yeh

[feral pollen]

the magic of diminishing returns

[woven haven]

90% sounds big
then u realise she has 80% on Sig mem + 60% on SSS

now that 90% seems just

[woven haven]

only same banner name

[umbral glacier]

oh alright

[woven haven]

themed -> themed
fate themed -> fate themed

arrival -> arrival
fate arrival -> fate arrival

so on and so forth

[still moat]

what about balter's leap

[woven haven]

lmao

[still moat]

is there anything worthy

[woven haven]

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

balter's leap was 90% adding trueslash to her kit (still needs hanying to function and SS3 hanying for the dmg to be good)

and 10% random dmg bonuses here and there

there is exactly 1 QoL and that's qte trigger on matrix entry

[finite cove]

F it's like jingliu situation 💯 for cw then...imagine having strong kit but low base value....rip

[still moat]

so its pretty much a joke

[finite cove]

[woven haven]

15% base dmg to Core
20% base dmg to orbs
sws deal extra hit of 80% ATK per hit
10% crit dmg in ult mode
75% EDB for ult1 (not the SSS proc, just regular ult1)
QTE on Matrix entry

then
SSS 100% record -> 110%
SSS+ 6% dmg per ult stack -> 7.5%

[still moat]

[woven haven]

that's the entirety of balter leap if you don't look at trueslash stuff

which is an entirely different unit imo

like the sw and core dmg buffs are nice but

lmao 75% EDB for ult1

ah yes this will do lots of dmg when buffed

[finite cove]

Brother,balter will be included in BP shop in the future?

[woven haven]

yes

[finite cove]

Omfg I didn't knew that.

[woven haven]

hanying -> wanshi -> Lucia
scire -> wanshi -> balter added to voucher

[finite cove]

I thought it only available for amplifier and stuff

[woven haven]

2 patches after balter is in BP, CW gets added there

[finite cove]

Oh....ig cw is brick totally true statement. In future ofc f powercript

[woven haven]

cw leap is to give her a good bit of QoL, some decent dmg buffs and turn her into umbrasurge element dps

[finite cove]

Geez I wonder kurogames will do infamous move and make gen 3 lightning DPS replacing cw

[woven haven]

supposedly ss nanami can solo with higher score than swap with low rank cw

supposedly

[spiral merlin]

They’ll just make another alpha frame when the time comes for cw to be replaced