📨・meta-help

[normal sierra]

cuz it's long
people pasta long texts, no matter what they are

[cerulean grotto]

Pull in that, best banner

[shadow holly]

wadahell fat knight time
I can't single slam it at all

[zinc jungle]

it's the "more gacha" banner

[normal sierra]

don't ask how long I malded that one

[visual topaz]

which kill

[hidden forum]

i finished

[visual topaz]

nozzle?

[hidden forum]

1.15m

[cerulean grotto]

How long?

[hidden forum]

huaxu

[visual topaz]

tf

[zinc jungle]

you get higher drop rate, but increase how much pity you will need to get guaranteed

[visual topaz]

mald 6s

[hidden forum]

im done

[jaunty beacon]

5s when ?

[hidden forum]

alrdy got it done

[visual topaz]

need epitaph Echo

[normal sierra]

we counting in hours... more than one... but less than 4

[visual topaz]

trust in 0,24s QTE kill

[jaunty beacon]

Or special asami

[cerulean grotto]

Wtf

[visual topaz]

wait that week 1.15?

6/6/5

seems like so

[edgy hearth]

Thanks I know what fate banner is. I just don't know how that relates to me asking about the earlier convo about how catching up to CN is bad idea

One of the replies was 2 paragraphs but somebody else copied and pasted it, so wasn't sure if it was serious or a copypasta

[zinc jungle]

wtf kuro, this is so annoying

[cerulean grotto]

Oh nyo

What did you buy!?

[zinc jungle]

I didn't buy anything, it just shows that notification on top-up now T_T

[cerulean grotto]

That's why you shouldn't whel

[normal sierra]

shows for me too, dunno why, me f2p

[cerulean grotto]

[frail geyser]

where to get a better weapon for him?

[quasi vale]

coop is the only source for weapons, beside gacha, that is

[frail geyser]

Guide Missions?

[quasi vale]

some weapons come from that and from 5* selectors but iirc one has wata knives

[zinc jungle]

unrelated note, does scire cub want eclipse or moonfall field?

[quasi vale]

unless u get lucky with a purple from coop card flip, u gotta buy one with coop shards, it takes 3 weeks but at this point I don't think it's a good idea, 10 days after u bench him for lamia

[zinc jungle]

I'm guessing moonfall field or is that fun translation related thing?

[glass bay]

why the fk is there SSS players in adv

[zinc jungle]

afked a few times

or just terrible

[shadow holly]

wait but what's there to mald is it dv garn kill?

cuz yeah with DV garn 12 seems

[normal sierra]

gotta be ultra fast and iframes... iframes... iframes... iframes...
should I continue?

the dmg is also very, very tight
if just one hit misses, no matter how small, sharky survives

[visual topaz]

[glass bay]

is that u?

[jaunty beacon]

just hit between the iframe

shark shall burn in hell

[normal sierra]

I don't think there is any reason to use the 2nd skill anywhere, lower dmg, shorter field duration
at least I can't see any point for it

[river nymph]

i run the 4s field one

[jaunty beacon]

when you see a full slam hitting 0 💀

[shadow holly]

for some reason knight was so much worse than smth like hell for me even though I did simple double slam

[river nymph]

[shadow holly]

yea on knight o had times when bro iframes the whole slam

[visual topaz]

no way

[shadow holly]

while on hell it's just
bro dies

[river nymph]

ew is s+ player

[visual topaz]

SS3 player

[shadow holly]

[river nymph]

[glass bay]

true

[normal sierra]

I overkill hell too with 3 full rota, so gonna try some other rotas instead to make it faster

too bad there aren't many references for SS hell sharky runs

[stuck sphinx]

Trash boss

[shadow holly]

bro overkills with 3rot
aughh I want r2 feral so bad

[jaunty beacon]

i field feral for hell

[glass bay]

uooogh

https://tenor.com/view/feral-no-21-awoo-song-pgr-feral-21-cute-bouncy-gif-5864432902398418111

[normal sierra]

isn't your team stacked thou?

[jaunty beacon]

it is

[shadow holly]

I didn't bother too much and I just did Windbell video rot for hell but 1s faster
wasn't very tight but definitely not overkill at all either

[river nymph]

[normal sierra]

cuz ss feral on field is just... way too slow

[stuck sphinx]

Swapping is like -15s

[jaunty beacon]

my invest is quite unique, so 🤷‍♂️

[stuck sphinx]

No reason to turn a team into fire if you don’t have to

[jaunty beacon]

need to figure out without ref

[visual topaz]

2.123.0?

[normal sierra]

-15s? don't you mean +15?

[jaunty beacon]

i'm from the 2.3 clan, sir

[visual topaz]

[jaunty beacon]

[shadow holly]

[visual topaz]

so is your CW ss3

[stuck sphinx]

Yes I do

[visual topaz]

or SS0

[shadow holly]

sorry .1 clan is better

[stuck sphinx]

Lee moment

[shadow holly]

yes 2.123

[jaunty beacon]

2.3

[shadow holly]

or 2.323

[glass bay]

wth lucia flirting with us now?..

[river nymph]

[twilit bay]

hi guys

i saw that in 4 days is global anniversary, last time that i played was 2 years ago but a friend that play convinced me to return, my question is, should return now or wait until annniversary since in some games at anniversary they give better rewards for returning players

[woven sable]

U will likely get the same rewards regardless. But returning earlier lets you stock up more pulls ahead of time

[twilit bay]

are current banners /anniv banners good? honestly want to save for lamia my friend told me her return is close but not sure if im going to have enought. from banner only have lucia crimson abyss with weapon if my memory doesnt fail. and story didnt advanced too much, only clear few maps since stoped bit after lucia crimson 1st release.

[quasi vale]

there's an anniversary banner with all S ranks selectable for 100% rateup, except feral 21, but sice u're not a new player u'll likely have already spend a good amount of one time bc from story and permanent content, u risk not having enough for lamia if u pull there

[twilit bay]

added this latter "and story didnt advanced too much, only clear few maps since stoped bit after lucia crimson 1st release."

i stoped playing this game cause was rng when started, didnt advance too much

sometimes needed to clear a stage lots of times because got bad luck with cards and needed few more points.

my friend told me that with v2 they changed that alot so that is alsoone of the reasons for what im coming back

im finishign downloading data so can have a better picture where im now

give me 10 min

[quasi vale]

if u want to have a shot at anni banner u should login and see what's left for one time income, then make some estimate with this planner https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nNauBXGcHv_7AepLWBLo4ykl3V_EhxpK/edit?gid=224598720#gid=224598720

[twilit bay]

how much do i need for a guaranted character? should also get a weapon if i like thta character?

for example lamia

[quasi vale]

in the upcoming 5 patches there's 3 S rank must pull, every 2 patches u build a pity usually (with some leftover but we know that only at the end of the patch)

15k between bc and R&D tickets is a full pity

[twilit bay]

which characters?

[quasi vale]

lamia, wata epitaph and qu

[twilit bay]

oh nice lamia

[spare ember]

Do I have to keep 12000 on me or accumulate?

[quasi vale]

we're in the middle of 2 patches with nothing to pull, so to compensate they gonna make us pull both in oct and nov patches

then it's back to 1 and 1

[river nymph]

[remote pier]

[quasi vale]

where does it come from? I can't figure out from the currency

[spare ember]

Returning players

[fierce yacht]

hello i just started playing can some1 dm their controller settings because holy hell there are so many buttons and after changing them i can no longer talk to a character in game because i have no button for it and every button conflicts with one another

[quasi vale]

I can't see it then but I assume it's most likely just milestones, you reach that total currency earned and it unlocks, even if u already spent it

[unborn blade]

in what patch do we get increased serum cap?

[spare ember]

Alr

[twilit bay]

Have this. Also should pull here? Is a guarante s character?

Got qu but says uniframe. No idea if is the character or fragments to get it

[remote pier]

💀

[quasi vale]

no ignore arrival banners and uniframes

it's a waste

what's ur pity on base banner and your blue tickets count?

[twilit bay]

Isnt qu a must pull? What are uniframes? Sorry that i asking too much

[quasi vale]

during lamia patch you can continue that base banner pity and u'll be able to choose an S rank target, guaranteed, once

[raw swift]

I shouldn’t worry about anything until I finish the story right? Cus the home ui and the stuff I’m supposed to do seems complex

[quasi vale]

no the must pull is the new qu, that's the old one

[twilit bay]

Oh one with dark and white hair?

[quasi vale]

uniframes were a special kind on frames that used to get a debuff if used with omniframe; they removed the debuff but they're old and can't compete with newer units, they were used against certain enemies with a special bar, and they had a parry and counter mechanic, once bar was depleted they could execute the enemy regardless or remaining hp

[twilit bay]

oh

[quasi vale]

now those enemies are only in norman mode (they're about to be removed there too) and in guild weekly battle, sometimes

and when those enemies appear you always have trial uniframes available

[twilit bay]

so basicaly until anniv or one of that 3 (lamia qu and the vergil cyborg) should skip

[quasi vale]

if u have to skip anything, u should leave anni behind

but u seem to have a situation similar to a new player, u may have enough for everything, but I can't tell for sure u gotta make some estimate with that spreadsheet for one time bc

[twilit bay]

oks

so basicaly 15000 for character (is theone that i decide or like 50/50 pity like in genshin or others games?) and 7500 for weapons

[visual topaz]

@hidden forum is 600 RC ticket pack worth it

[hidden forum]

for me yea

since its for char pullling

mainly for that

[visual topaz]

what Echo rank

3.1?

[twilit bay]

can you show that pack?

[quasi vale]

the story is reeeeally long unless you skip everything (and even then, it will take some time), you should start trying the other stuff in the meantime, especially the current event when u reach lvl40, this one ends in 4 days so maybe u won't make it

[quasi vale]

when a new S rank comes out, it's the only time it will have guaranteed chance within one pity (excluding special rare occasions like anniversary), the reruns are always 70/30 with no safety net

for now at least, it's being changed now in cn iirc so for us in more than a year

[floral sinew]

surely they dont take it away next patch already

[raw swift]

Any specific video guide u can recommend? Thanks!

[cunning tree]

I see 4x Heisen recommended for Noctis. But the 4x set bonus seems.... bad? Am I crazy? https://grayravens.com/wiki/Heisen

[barren plank]

No Heisen is correct, free lightning shred

[cunning tree]

it's not free if you're spending 4 slots on your main DPS

[quasi vale]

be careful with video guides for general mechanics and newbies, don't refer to stuff older than a few months because the game changed a lot and some things aren't even in the game anymore, they will confuse u at best, or outright make u do mistakes, take a look at this https://grayravens.com/wiki/Guides/Beginner's_Guide then check the faq section above this channel, plus the channel pins to find what u're looking for; if u can't find a specific thing then come back here and ask

[barren plank]

Lightning shred is huge tho

You are guaranteed to proc it often too since u will be on field with him

[cunning tree]

so 4 slots on main DPS for 8% shred..... or 2 slot Einsteina for 15% shred on a support

[quasi vale]

why limiting u on a single shred?

[dapper skiff]

He can consistently guaranteed to proc that 8% with noctis when you're using him on field

[cunning tree]

comparing the value

[barren plank]

I was about to say it stacks with ur tank shred too which is big

[dapper skiff]

Just use both
Einsteina on arclight and you can benefits both in a team

[quasi vale]

shred is just an arbitrary effect category, not a specific name for a debuff

[dapper skiff]

4 heisen 2 darwin noctis
4 DaVinci 2 einsteina arclight
4 Guinevere 2 gloria lux

That's like the best non S rank team build setup you can get in the game

[barren plank]

There's really not other options for A-ranks, since most S-ranks have specific memory sets that benefit only themselves
Heisen is the most general lightning set u will have so u have to go with it, it's at least not godawful or anything

[barren plank]

Yea just this pretty much

[open hare]

is liv lux or hanying better with entropy? or does it not matter

[cunning tree]

But it does seem ggodawful in terms of value for slot cost

[normal sierra]

[barren plank]

Slot cost doesnt mean anything

[cunning tree]

Yes it does?

[dapper skiff]

Hanying

Lux doesn't buff anything about physical dmg
Hanying does

[barren plank]

If the set effect is good then the cost is pretty much irrelevant

[dapper skiff]

What is that even means

[cunning tree]

but the set effect is not good. 4 slots for 8% shred is not good when compared to like, any other support 2pc shreds/buffs

[quasi vale]

to say that heisen is bad u gotta find something that's better, otherwise it's meaningless; good luck with that

[dapper skiff]

I feel like you're overthinking some unnecessary thing

Yet again

[barren plank]

There's no other option tho

[dapper skiff]

Dude

You can literally use both

Nothing isn't used

[quasi vale]

u're also blatantly ignoring the extra damage like it's nothing

[normal sierra]

patton noctis, it works

[raw swift]

Thanks I’ll try out at reading for once appreciate it

[sage kiln]

It’s 2 slots for 8% shred. 2 slots for the 2 piece, and 2 slots for the shred

[barren plank]

That's Qu patch revamp

Anyways, Heisen is recommended because ur supports have other memory options but Noctis doesn't, and Heisen works well on him anyway since you will be on field with him mostly

[quasi vale]

nono, I mean the electrocution part

[barren plank]

Oh mb

[quasi vale]

it's nothing to call home about, but it's something

[cunning tree]

So 8% res shred is more value than 15% Extra DMG PLUS 25% Extra Dmg 3 pings?

[barren plank]

? What set is that

[cunning tree]

2pc Hanna and 2pc Darwin? I"m sure there are better

Diesel 2pc is 10% lightning

and assume youa lready have 2pc Tifa which is 5% ATK and 5% Lightning DMG

[normal sierra]

does noctis even deal dmg with orbs? isn't it core and ult?

[barren plank]

It is

Orbs just charge ult

[quasi vale]

orbs on noctis are an aftertought, do u even know his rotation before arguing about memories?

[dapper skiff]

It's not

[glass bay]

@shadow holly #🚀・off-topic-lobby message I saw u interacting with this guy yesterday

[barren plank]

Darwin is good bc in ult mode it still benefits u for individual orbs
Ur not casting 3pings so hannah is useless

[glass bay]

Who the fk is he

[cunning tree]

2pc Einsteina is double the shred for half the slots

[dapper skiff]

2p hanna is sht for noctis because orbs aren't noctis main dmg output

[barren plank]

Eins goes on Arclight

[normal sierra]

dude, einst is on another cahr already

[dapper skiff]

With 4pc heisen you can give noctis 2pc darwin

[cunning tree]

good point

[shadow holly]

oh he's just some idiot who wants attention

[dapper skiff]

And do this

[glass bay]

Sounds like absolute clown

[dapper skiff]

It's literally that simple

[glass bay]

Also as someone who lifts I guarantee u bro doesn't even lift

[cunning tree]

Because I questioned whether 4slots for 8% shred was bad value?

[glass bay]

I'm not talking about u

Wtf?

[normal sierra]

I used to lift a lot. my cat

[cunning tree]

my bad

reading is hard

[glass bay]

Reading as a globul F2p is hard for sure

[quasi vale]

sounds like u want to win an internet argument rather than actually care about optimal setup

[weak jackal]

Hello, i hav question, how do i deploy uniframe? I tried this limit break event and at stage 2 it reccomend using uniframe, but i dont know how to deploy it since there no option, is it because im still lvl 52?

[dapper skiff]

Ehh
Just use your strongest unit

[barren plank]

U get a free uniframe at level 60
But uniframes are crap anyways so just use whoever u have

[dapper skiff]

Those event aren't really that hard without even recommended unite

It's also a way for a skill check

[weak jackal]

I see, okay, im just at the game like 3 day, so doesnt understand much yet kek

[dapper skiff]

[barren plank]

I just dont think he understands the fundamentals quite yet

[weak jackal]

Aight thanks!

[barren plank]

Goddamn im starving

What should I eat

[hidden forum]

ye

for that extra ult dmg

[dapper skiff]

Idk
Pizzas

[glass bay]

Me

[quasi vale]

u can choose meals? then gachas didn't eat all ur budget

[barren plank]

Mb tomorrow

[barren plank]

[glass bay]

[glass bay]

Aren't we all f2p, was that a lie?

[quasi vale]

u can be f2p here and whale elsewhere, who knows

[barren plank]

#📨・meta-help message

This u

[shadow holly]

he's just self aware

[glass bay]

U can be F2p and still acknowledge this

[shadow holly]

[glass bay]

[barren plank]

[glass bay]

[glass bay]

If u gonna whel anywhere its pgr tbh

It's cheaper and there is an actual meta reason

[deft apex]

What time is it

[barren plank]

Uuuuh

7:30

in the evening

[deft apex]

Prepare some dinner then i guess

[wary niche]

im about to use my extra shards from the BP, im torn between rosetta shards vs karenina ember shards (dont have her yet last 18shards)

is rosetta still the top phys tank in CN?

[barren plank]

Flipped a coin, ill make some teriyaki chicken

[glass bay]

Karenina ember

[deft apex]

Nice

[shadow holly]

it isn't even a consideration
Rosetta shards are by far the only worthwhile shards there
I don't even know how ember found her way into the equation for you

[remote pier]

[wary niche]

S karen for collection
she is the only S rank i dont have

idk how many shards needed for SSS rosetta my ros at SS atm

[shadow holly]

90 shards to SSS from ss0

but ember is still worthless

while SSS Rosetta is a great upgrade

but you do you
we don't even know if ur competitive or if u play casually

[wary niche]

depends on the patch, if there are hard contents i go compet if boring patches i just do daily then out

[shadow holly]

wdym u compete if there is hard content

[glass bay]

[wary niche]

the tower thing

[red shore]

There's always competitive content

[shadow holly]

competitive content is war zone and phantom pain cage
they are always available

[remote pier]

[shadow holly]

babel is not

[glass bay]

Is that cat girl changli?

[red shore]

Babylon tower is temporary, PPC and WZ are eternal

[shadow holly]

cuz anyone competent and who cares enough will max Babel anyway

[wary niche]

the one where we pck risk thingy

[red shore]

Catli yeh

[shadow holly]

it's just a matter of who does it faster to get to the leaderboards

[glass bay]

[red shore]

More like fox girl

[wary niche]

i always end up on top 80 sonetimes 90 if i do bad

[shadow holly]

babel isn't competitivr

it's literally just whoever clears it faster

[wary niche]

then im compet jesus
chill

[shadow holly]

and that's it

[glass bay]

What is ur warzone rank

[shadow holly]

ok whatever pick ember dawg

if u don't bother malding war zone and PPC u wouldn't need SSS rosetta

[wary niche]

my rose at SS2 atm
extra shards 20 from BP and can buy more from voucher

[twilit bay]

hope win siren 70/30, will she come next month? or when?

ps anyone can tellme a good noob guide? last time that played was 2 years ago:c

[wary niche]

idk if further nodes on rosetta are worth

[quasi vale]

lamia next month is guaranteed with 1 pity, it's a new character

[zenith oar]

look my dm son

[shadow holly]

as I'm saying
her SSS is a great upgrade
for people who actually need that damage

[zenith oar]

i wonder the shards

[wary niche]

shards? from BP and voucher

[zenith oar]

yeah my hottish baby

[cunning tree]

Is there a place that shows all the memory sets in one table with their 2pc and 4pc set effects?

grayravens.com table does not

[barren plank]

As in you want the build with the effects right beside it?

[cunning tree]

I want a table like this, but with the set effects visible https://grayravens.com/wiki/Memories/Omniframe_Memories#6★_Memories-0

[barren plank]

GrayRavens is one of the only websites so I doubt there would be another place

[cunning tree]

wtf

[barren plank]

You can click on the memories and it'll take u to the page link with each effect and stat

If you really need to you have both windows open side by side

[cunning tree]

I do not want that. It is extremely time consuming

[barren plank]

Then ig there really isnt another option

There just arent many websites out there since this game is very small

[deft apex]

U could try maybe bili wiki

But good luck with chinese

[barren plank]

Yea I usually refrain from using Bili references unless I have to

[deft apex]

I couldn't even find the ppc boss banners i wanted

[barren plank]

Rip

[deft apex]

Only the current week ones

Which had one of those i wanted

[wary niche]

if by chance, are you talking about like this?

[barren plank]

Is that a feature for GLB yet

That would be kinda nice ngl

[wary niche]

cmiiw, might be feature in nx patch
saw this on spider2b alisa vid
kinda nice for a qol

[barren plank]

How long is it gonna take to harmo Echo weapon from scratch

[cunning tree]

ideally something like this

[barren plank]

Heisen isnt that garbage tho

[deft apex]

Probably only one cycle since we get first boss clear rewards

[barren plank]

Oh true

[deft apex]

Otherwise about 3 cycles

[barren plank]

Wait how long is a cycle

[deft apex]

So 6 weeks

[wary niche]

i see then the one i sent was close enough but kinda limited

[deft apex]

Norman style

[barren plank]

Ok that's not bad

Ig I just have to pray there is no phys PPC bosses week 1

[deft apex]

I dont have anything to help you, I can only tell you many memories are designed with a specific character in mind, such as Diesel being made specifically for CW

[barren plank]

Yea pretty much every new 6* memory is made specifcally for the new character that patch

[rose yew]

just dig around in pgr bili-pedia

[glass bay]

Miku are u banned from wuwa help?

[rose yew]

nope Im still in it

[glass bay]

Incredible

I'm sure u behave very differently there

[spice parrot]

alisa echo will be free right?

[barren plank]

Yep

[brazen spire]

Your one chart away from getting banned there

[rose yew]

[brazen spire]

I am sorry dudu but i have no respect for the english language

[barren plank]

Oh u did see that lmao

[remote pier]

Did you ever drop Alisa graph?

[rose yew]

no she's too forgettable

[remote pier]

oh nyo

[deft apex]

True

[hidden forum]

make one NOW

[rose yew]

[brazen spire]

@/ mods ban this guy

[deft apex]

Alisa is a very boring character, all of her moveset reminds me of other frames

[remote pier]

If anything happens, it'll be on Shuen nya

[hidden forum]

[barren plank]

She looked like one of the more fun characters to me lol

[glass bay]

Her animations are cool tf u mean

[remote pier]

she literally squad down, charge, ult

[deft apex]

She's like a fusion of veritas, balter and hyper

[rose yew]

I'll do it during my break time then

[glass bay]

Wtf misinfo chary

[frozen creek]

alisa cool

[barren plank]

Tho I still dont understand the point of the mantra orbs
U ping six and let go of basic to enter justice mode, but what do they do for u afterward

[glass bay]

Why gph promoting misinfo charts

[remote pier]

bar1 OP

[frozen creek]

im not certain but it might just be part of the stands coordinated attacks

which do like no damage

[river nymph]

they are the stands attacks

[glass bay]

Sounds like calcharo

[frozen creek]

[barren plank]

Huh ic

Her SS3 is so bad lmao

[river nymph]

no u

[glass bay]

Out of the trade ticket chars, which is most important to SSS?

[brazen spire]

Amps

[river nymph]

all amps

[frozen creek]

[glass bay]

Crapi?

[barren plank]

From scratch prolly Echo ngl

[frozen creek]

probably alisa

[livid lark]

def crapi

[frozen creek]

all of them have double amp on 3s

[remote pier]

SSS Kaleido still crap

[river nymph]

an argument could made for all being top priority

[frozen creek]

sss capriccio

[velvet hedge]

Selena • Capriccio

<:S_:1005718220663165050> <:amplifier:1003700218639953941> <:dark:1003687698483130368> Skills (Lvl. 18)

** Dark Star Shines **
Passive: Amplifier Class skill increases by 100%, and the Dark DMG Bonus of Dark Radiation is increased to 20%. The Extra DMG Bonus of Core Phantasia increases by 20%. The healing duration of Realm of Capriccio is extended by 5s.

11 / 12

[frozen creek]

oh and doubled dark buff

[barren plank]

Echo SSS shortens her rotation tho

[frozen creek]

i wouldnt say kaleido cause hers is just amp buff + dmg for herself

[remote pier]

healing duration of Realm of Capriccio is extended by 5s

[frozen creek]

yeah so echo and capri priority

[glass bay]

I see

[barren plank]

Bro I need sm1 to start funding me BP badly

I need vouchers

[remote pier]

[frozen creek]

go to the casino

[barren plank]

I only have 34K im so fricked

[frozen creek]

i only have 17k

[river nymph]

gg

[frozen creek]

[remote pier]

that's enough to pull 2 copies nya

[river nymph]

[barren plank]

I already play 2 casino games

[frozen creek]

[rose yew]

try blackjack

[barren plank]

Those are PGR and WuWa

[remote pier]

try selling organs

[frozen creek]

try poker

[remote pier]

saving lives and earning money

[frozen creek]

sell kidney for bp

[barren plank]

I unironically need my kidneys

[rose yew]

for what purpose

[frozen creek]

everyone need kidney

[barren plank]

To flush out my body
Since mine are particularly bad, thanks genetics

[brazen spire]

You can live with one

[rose yew]

understandable

[remote pier]

stop drinking so much smh

[barren plank]

I wouldnt live with one

[frozen creek]

gambling life

what if my remaining one fails

[glass bay]

In casino u have a chance to win

[barren plank]

I dont drink
Also drinking fricks ur liver not ur kidneys

[remote pier]

it fails, it fails

[glass bay]

In pgr and wuwa u only lose

[brazen spire]

Then you did stupid sht

[frozen creek]

i won in pgr

[glass bay]

It's not gambling u just fked the moment u start

[normal sierra]

drinking destroys your liver more than kidneys
drugs kill kidneys

[frozen creek]

im f2p with 3s balt s+ cw

[glass bay]

[glass bay]

Sure sure

[frozen creek]

[river nymph]

[rose yew]

[remote pier]

[river nymph]

3 more days

[remote pier]

3 more days until Xeno stream

[river nymph]

[rose yew]

no more malding crits

[remote pier]

wym? Lumi already save us from crit mald nya

[rose yew]

not for those without luminance for some reason

[deft apex]

Frick luminance

[barren plank]

aka me

[deft apex]

She doesnt do enough

[rose yew]

[deft apex]

I need Alisa NOW

[barren plank]

I also need her like right fricking now

[river nymph]

[glass bay]

I need to lucsacc lamia

Or I'm fk

F2p no rights only wrongs

[cunning tree]

Is it still possible to get old event Memories? e.g.: Lantern Festival: Reunion

[barren plank]

I dont think that's ever coming back which I think sucks tbh

Once in a blue moon for mb an anniversary or smth they might rerun certain collection mems but not that one unfortunately

[river nymph]

need to ask a cn player if it ever got released again

[barren plank]

Does Jerry play CN

[river nymph]

no

jerry lmao

[barren plank]

Demon?

[gentle quail]

[river nymph]

dont think so

you could ask in cn chat

[rose yew]

does wz in cn still need orb rng luck

[barren plank]

[river nymph]

nope

just one tap

[rose yew]

[glass bay]

Misinfo again

[barren plank]

True but at the same time that channel is dead

[rose yew]

if only I wasn't banned I could make that channel and cn lore active with mods

[river nymph]

wata has the worst orb rng

[serene dew]

are the licence upgrade exam thingies a dps check or is it totally skill based

[river nymph]

skill

[serene dew]

crap

[rose yew]

kinda both since you need to rush time

[river nymph]

they should all be doable with the trial units

[serene dew]

wait but the one im doing doesnt use trial units

[river nymph]

which one?

[serene dew]

tc-b

[river nymph]

oh those ones

[shadow holly]

DPS check

[serene dew]

yeah that makes sense

[shadow holly]

thoug more like

check of whether ur raising ur units properly

cuz it's aimed at newbies

although it's not like ur supposed to be able to clear it as soon as u unlock it

[rose yew]

also do core passive

[serene dew]

this is fine right

yes i have just been neglecting nanami

[rose yew]

[river nymph]

do you have any other attacker?

but yeah looks like you need to progress your account more

[sacred onyx]

what chapter should i stop at

[serene dew]

the only other units I have are liv eclipse and chrome arclight lmao

[river nymph]

yeah no wonder you are struggling with dps

[shadow holly]

if u care about story and read it, why stop

[sacred onyx]

whats the best team for beginners? specificaly f2p

[serene dew]

do I just try to make an a rank dark team with watanabe no21 and vera

[rose yew]

wait 2 months for lamia for ez clear

[shadow holly]

surely

[serene dew]

isn’t the anniversary in 4 days or something

[rose yew]

within 10s

[shadow holly]

it is

[rose yew]

I highly doubt you have enough bc to pull on anniversary banner

[serene dew]

I highly doubt it as well

[rose yew]

[shadow holly]

ok let's do it like this
are u guys like
casual? story players?
or more meta players and/or wanna be competitive - leaderboards, scores etc

[rose yew]

we playin 20 questions now?

[shadow holly]

just to understand what kind of advice to give

[serene dew]

I’m mostly a story player

[rose yew]

as long as I'm within top 1% in exppc I'm fine

[shadow holly]

ok then u kinda just pull anniversary banner for whoever u want

[serene dew]

actually who is even gonna be on the anniversary banner

[shadow holly]

optimally your pulling plan is to get all new S rank chars but if you're casual it's not as rigid as "skip one account bricked"

[rose yew]

every unit up to alisa echo

[shadow holly]

every unit up to feral (feral not included)

Anni banner shafted no feral on Anni gg

[serene dew]

yeah I have no idea who those are lol

[shadow holly]

sec

these are the S rank chars selectable on anniversary banner

you can also just check them out yourself on grayravens.com
the character list is top to bottom, left to right, in release order

although it's both A ranks, S ranks and uniframes so a lot of units that's aren't relevant to the discussion

[serene dew]

I mean it’s not like I have enough bc to pull anyways

[shadow holly]

ye but as a new player you will

there's like 30k BC/tickets from story, interludes, and other first clear rewards for stuff

[rose yew]

if you don't get a S rank unit from there you gonna have to wait a whole year for the banner to be back

[shadow holly]

but basically yeah a simple pulling plan is just pulling every new S rank debut that's not free
like next patch in 5 days or so we have Alisa, who is an S rank physical amplifier, but she is available to farm for free from dorm commissions like Ayla Kaleido

[serene dew]

as for my team, I need to focus on getting a better attacker first right

[shadow holly]

also u can read up on this pin
#📨・meta-help message
ask if u have more questions

this will be useful for u too porygon

[serene dew]

yeah true thanks

[river nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-credit-card-debit-card-debit-gif-27376677

[serene dew]

[shadow holly]

Xeno knows what's up fr

[glass bay]

What if I'm broke

And homeless

[oblique spoke]

So during anniversary banner
You can choose any char right?

[glass bay]

Fk

[oblique spoke]

Even like 2b?

[livid lark]

yes

no not collab

nier units are done
a nier collab hasnt come back ever since

[oblique spoke]

Was too good to be true

[unborn fable]

@livid lark

who do i pull for anniv

[river nymph]

lock in

[unborn fable]

[analog cargo]

2yerrs later and people still want nier

actualy insane

[livid lark]

1. are you using a card?
2. what's your savings

[analog cargo]

wtf

[unborn fable]

9k

[analog cargo]

financial advice help

[cunning tree]

PGR has the best rendition of A2 in any game

[livid lark]

yea then no
you don't

[unborn fable]

damn

[analog cargo]

i guess
-# amongsus

[livid lark]

you won't have enough for lamia

[cunning tree]

Every time I see unavailable A2 in my member list, I struggle not to quit the game and jump off a bridge

[analog cargo]

am thankful i dont have nier

i just have a2 and 9s cuz they were free

[livid lark]

i started long after the first nier collab so I dont have them

[livid lark]

well question is
Do you want to play meta or do it your own way for fun?

[river nymph]

[analog cargo]

meta

[unborn fable]

whatever gives me highest dmg

[oblique spoke]

Assuming i lock in with story mode and everything and i grind enough bc to do a full pull in anni who should i take

These are my chars

[unborn fable]

i want fun but i dont want to repeat my old acc

if u lock in rn and clear every bc content in battle you'd have maybe 2k max honestly

[livid lark]

how much story do you have available to do?

[livid lark]

I mean if you want to really go into meta, then pulling lamia is priority

[oblique spoke]

Think im on chapter 10

[unborn fable]

strongholds and the other one r great way to get bc + alt. interpret

[oblique spoke]

Yeah

[livid lark]

and what's your BC savings atm?

[unborn fable]

although doing this means you'd spend like what, 6hours in the game for 2 days 😭🙏

assuming u read story, because it gets interesting ch10 onwards

[livid lark]

no not really
i only spend like 20 mins max a day unless it's ppc or wz

nothing else for me to do

[unborn fable]

yeah but hes gonna grind everything

[livid lark]

oh yea and norman

fair enough

[oblique spoke]

Think its 3k (ik its the average player who didnt play in between updates asking if he can pull)

[livid lark]

no

[unborn fable]

just save dawg😭🙏

[livid lark]

you wont have enough even with story

you need 15k to guarantee a unit

[shadow holly]

nah just rush all story then burn out and quit

but youll have enough bc

[unborn fable]

game is game

[deft apex]

Such dalao knowledge

Please bless us with more

[unborn fable]

bro spawned a clone tf

oh i thought u were also named fsbian, close enough

[shadow holly]

do fabio and fabian get a bond effect in cursed waves

[oblique spoke]

Lets say hypothetically
Cause there are many ways to get bc(i wont pull unless im sure that i can get 15k)

[shadow holly]

if they are on the team

[deft apex]

Maybe, i do get bond effect with you though

[oblique spoke]

If i truly cant i ll just skip and go for lamia
I have no dark characters

[shadow holly]

look u can simply only pull after u get 15k

[unborn fable]

u have a great team though, just save

[shadow holly]

if theres like at least a couple of weeks til the end of the patch and u ahve 15k
then ur probably good

because while yo wont get lamia on day 1 you'll get her for sure

[oblique spoke]

Why tho?

[unborn fable]

wym why

[livid lark]

even then it's still a no since you'll be getting about 10k if you play the entire patch and maybe at the end you may be able to pull

but if you're going for meta you shouldnt pull from the anni banner with your situation

[shadow holly]

why what

[unborn fable]

lamia is best dark dps

[shadow holly]

[oblique spoke]

I mean why will i get her for sure where does that guarantee come from

[livid lark]

trs f2plao

[livid lark]

anniversary is 100% banner

[shadow holly]

what anniversary dawg

[oblique spoke]

Lamia isnt anniversary tho

[shadow holly]

if he can get 15k then shes guaranteed on debut

[livid lark]

oh lol nvm

even then debut is still 100%

[shadow holly]

but im just saying that
assuming u pulled anni
and you have like 0 bc but at least a couple weeks til the end of alisa patch
that time + time til the end of lamia banner should be very much enough to get 15k to get her

[oblique spoke]

I mean if i were to have 15k who should i pull be it by card or hardcore intense gaming

[unborn fable]

who do u even plan on getting, garnet 😭❓

[livid lark]

hmm

alisa's sig is a good start

[oblique spoke]

Well maybe stigmata
But i wanna hear what would be good

Id like garnet but my lightning team is the best elemental team i got so nah

[livid lark]

balter if you dont have her
scire definitely

[unborn fable]

garnet is..lightning

[livid lark]

your CW isnt even levelled bruh

and yea garnet is lightning

[shadow holly]

stigmata is the highest prio after CW
phys doesnt really exist without stigmata

[livid lark]

how can you say your lightning team is the best

no lightning tank

[shadow holly]

shes lvl80 tbf
we dont know what he got on her
guess no ultima though

[oblique spoke]

She my strongest character😭 f you mean?
I mean the better elemental team compared to My other team

[oblique spoke]

She s 6500

[shadow holly]

BP kinda irrelevant
but base S is a pain

[desert berry]

Damn why is feral not in the banners. Is there another way to get feral?

[livid lark]

bp doesnt mean anything

[shadow holly]

def get her to SS thru ppc

[unborn fable]

aniv

[desert berry]

Or i just need to wait for its banner

[shadow holly]

anniv doesnt have feral

[unborn fable]

oh fr

[raw swift]

How many more days till anniversary

[shadow holly]

scam

[livid lark]

that was last patch

[livid lark]

3 or 4

[unborn fable]

aint it 2

[desert berry]

Wdym last patch? Sorry is started playing by this current patch

[shadow holly]

4 at least
should be on 15th

[livid lark]

this is noctis patch
feral was last patch

[livid lark]

12th here for me

[shadow holly]

#📨・meta-help message

[raw swift]

I love how noctis plays

Surprised he an a rank

[desert berry]

So no other way to get him?

[shadow holly]

you can either wait for her to appear on an arrival banner, which should happen next patch which starts in 4 days
but arrival is a bad idea because not a guaranteed 100% rateup
arrivals are 70%
you can guarantee her on standard after lamia patch which starts in late august
a one time option to select who you get in the stndard banner is added and feral is of course in the pool

[oblique spoke]

😭 i wont try to get too meta tho

[unborn fable]

honestly though, they missed out making him S

but if he's S, no one would even build him

[shadow holly]

if he was base S he would be stronger
and worth building
simple as that

[oblique spoke]

Thats the only char i use ppc to upgrade

i just wanna keep an little balance between meta and play

[shadow holly]

honestly my opinion either go full meta or full casual

[deft apex]

Or full quit

[unborn fable]

i doubt ngl he's really niche except that he an orb farm

[shadow holly]

[unborn fable]

but what do i know, balter is meta

they basically do the same thing ☠️

[raw swift]

Can you explain this to me? What exactly you mean by orb farm lol.

[oblique spoke]

Oh well
Then id be an casual

Thx anyway

[raw swift]

Srry I'm still new to kuro lol

[unborn fable]

idk why but my noct somehow never runs out of orbs once he gets a parry 😭🙏 and he gets them easily even after running out

[desert berry]

Thank you sm

[unborn fable]

not really an explanation lol, might be something to do with ss rank

[desert berry]

What’s the expected rewards in this upcoming anniversary?

[deft apex]

7.5k vouchers iirc, 2.5k yellow tickets

[raw swift]

Ic lol

[deft apex]

The voucher part might be way off im not really sure

[unborn fable]

lc?

[raw swift]

I thought it was a s rank selector?

[desert berry]

Hope they add s selector too lmao

[unborn fable]

balter is free apparently

[deft apex]

No selectors until january

There's anni banner, lamia one time 100% rate up base banner and that's it

[livid lark]

in 1 year

[unborn fable]

oh i thought that was anniv

[livid lark]

no that was cn

[raw swift]

Ah, I heard different lmaoo

[livid lark]

for the lucia patch

[desert berry]

Wait so anniversary is 15 but the banner will come together with the lamia patch which is approx 2 months from now?

[shadow holly]

no

anniversary banner
is a banner that simply allows you to select any char up to CW included at 100% rateup
you just pull on it as on any usual banner, it can use yellow(event) tickets

lamia patch standard banner update
one time per account ur allowed to select who you get on standard banner
100% rateup
anyone in the standard pool

[desert berry]

Ohh i seee thanks for clearing that up.

[raw swift]

Wait so we will get anniversary banner on anniversary day? And not January.?

[shadow holly]

yes?

[livid lark]

january isn't global's anniversary

game released in july of 2021 on global

[raw swift]

Also what does cw stand for?

[desert berry]

Crimson weave i think

[raw swift]

Nicee

[cunning tree]

How do you get rid of 6-star lvl 45 memories you don't need anymore? I'm afraid to use it into enhance new memory because I don't know if it will cap it out at lvl25 and waste 21k exp

[pine slate]

What memory is it

U can just recycle it in inventory

[cunning tree]

it only lets me recycle up to 5stars

[pine slate]

Did u have the memory locked or smth

[cunning tree]

No

[pine slate]

[desert berry]

So theres S, SS, SSS, and SSS+

What exactly is SS3

I dont get it

Is it higher than SSS?

[cunning tree]

SS < SS3 < SSS

[dapper skiff]

.

[remote pier]

.

[shadow holly]

ss3 is ss with 3 more nodes
effectively 3 copies or 2 copies with ppc skulls

[dapper skiff]

Oh c'mon gimme some space

[desert berry]

Ohh alr

[shadow holly]

all characters after scire, her included, have additional rank passives between major ranks

[dapper skiff]

I need 4 separated messages for this

[remote pier]

here's some space

[shadow holly]

namely
S5 which is between S and SS
SS3 which is between SS and SSS
SSS3 and SSS6 which are between SSS and SSS+

[stuck sphinx]

S5 is fake

[remote pier]

[shadow holly]

s5 is basic human rights

[stuck sphinx]

get ss

[dapper skiff]

Bruh

[stuck sphinx]

nah s5 is poverty

[shadow holly]

[remote pier]

wasn't me this time

[dapper skiff]

Imma

[remote pier]

.

[stuck sphinx]

.

[dapper skiff]

Just wait wait till dead chat

Or maybe noe

[stuck sphinx]

any char with s5 needs ss

[dapper skiff]

Sounds good

But still needs 4

[stuck sphinx]

.

[dapper skiff]

Frequently Asked Question(FAQ)s about Alisa: Echo

• What is Alisa: echo

Alisa with the frame name Echo is a playable S-rank Omniframe in the game that deals Physical damage, has healing capabilities and also boosts Critical hit chance for any physical type frames.

• Is she good?

Alisa: Echo is a physical Amplifier that has both DPS kits and support skills to boost the whole team. She's the best support for any physical team in the game.

• Should i pull her?

No, Alisa: Echo invert shards are obtainable through several sources such as the Dispatch shop in Dorm Commission or Voucher shop. You can obtain up to 50 shards of Alisa from the dispatch shop that is enough to unlock her without needing to pull. For F2p players it is recommended to unlock her this way and save up your black cards. If you are a regular spender towards the game, you can consider pulling 1 Alisa dupe so you can progress her rank ups to SSS rank faster.

• What is the minimum rank for her to be playable?

She needs a minimum of SS rank to be playable. Without SS rank, she would need to manually gain orbs by doing basic attacks to reach enough stacks for her core passive, both in general content and in a physical team rotation. Doing so will take too much time for her to complete one single rotation, resulting in significant time loss and damage loss.

• **Should i get more dupes? **

Not recommended because her shard is available in voucher shop. You can slowly farm her shards that way and get her necessary rank ups. For spenders, SSS rank is a good stopping point for Alisa.

• Does she needs her signature weapon?

Yes, Alisa's signature weapon boosts both her DPS and support towards the team, alongside decent QoL thats gives her more orbs. Along with her debut, a new update system called Harmonization is also added to the game, which requires her signature weapon to access. This will further boost her support capabilities.

_ _

• Is she playable with only 5 weapon?*

Unfortunately no, most of her kits are gated by her signature weapon and also how Harmonization upgrade is locked behind signature weapon. Without signature weapon Leaped Liv: Luminance is still better support than Alisa: Echo for swapping rotation especially in Warzone.

• Should i pull her weapon?

Not recommended considering if you're a beginner f2p players that still missing majority of core characters to the game. If you're a spender or a veteran f2p with proper planning and actually knows what you're doing, getting Alisa sig is a huge boost overall that's too good to be missed.

• Should i get her weapon resonance skill?

Yes, weapon resonance skill for her or any Amplifier in general is worth it. Amplifier benefits weapon resonance skill better than Attacker or Tank in majority of cases.

• What should i choose for her weapon resonance skill?

Deadline Timing is the go-to pick for Alisa weapon resonance, giving her more consistency towards her on-field rotation especially below SSS rank, Glorious Spear or/and Superconduct Axial Ray is the perfect resonance for her support performance both on field and off field.

• Should i pull her cub?

for f2p players it is Not recommended, cub are pretty much luxurious upgrade and majority of them doesn't really offer anything more than dmg increase. If you're a spender, affording S cubs are pretty cheap as long as you have the Paid Battle Pass for better Cub gacha tickets income, with that being said it's worth to pull her cub as spender along with all the future S rank character and their cubs.

• Which skills should i choose for her cub?

Use Active Skill 1. For the passive skill you can choose Twilight Hour and Free Soaring, if you have SS rank choose Fogbow Wings for 3rd passive skill.

_ _

• What is the best memory set for her?

Alisa's main build is the Harmonization build, where she use 4pc DaVinci and 2pc Signa and another 2pc Signa from harmo, giving you the effects of 4pc signa (Alisa's signature memory sets) and 4pc DaVinci. This build will be her main build for any rank and majority of content where she's used. In a case where you can't afford her signature weapon for harmo upgrade, just use 4pc Signa and 2pc Phillip II or 4pc DaVinci 2pc Phillip II for Stigmata team.

• What is the best memory resonance skill for her set?

In majority of cases, her memory resonance skill are 6x +atk resonance (any kind of +atk) for the top resonance slot and 6x class passive for the bottom resonance slot.

• What is her optimal memory placement?

put both Signa pieces on the top row memory slot (01 02 or 03) and the rest of DaVinci pieces to the bottom slot.

• Is it worth to hypertune Alisa?

Yes, but it is far from top priority. It is recommended to get hypertune upgrades on your main DPS units first (whether it's an Attacker or not).

• What should i choose for her Infinitas awakening orb?

Her yellow orb is quite useful because it has gap-closing skill to get closer to the enemies that are far from your reach, really useful in Pain Cage cases when they boss are far away. Besides that her Infinitas orb doesn't make much differences in other contents.

• What is the most optimal team for her?

Because Alisa is a support, you would want to have a main DPS for your physical team to fully benefits Alisa's support capabilities. The most optimal team currently for alisa would be Bianca: Stigmata, Rosetta: Rigor and Alisa: Echo with stigmata as main dps, Rosetta for the tank and alisa for healer and support for higher crit rate from her buff, giving you the best physical team currently in the game.

_ _

• What is her budget team if i can't afford the optimal team?

Since Alisa is a Physical Amplifier, she can support and buff any physical unit in the game. With that being said, as long as you put Alisa in a team with a Physical tank and and a Physical dps (whether it's an attacker or not) it will work perfectly fine. However don't really expect it will surpass the optimal team performance at any cases.

• Should i pull for the optimal teammates for Alisa?

No, it is recommended to actually look into your overall account conditions and aim for missing Core character that you've missed previously, either from skipping or missing because starting late. If you think you have more than enough Black Cards currently and still able to guarantee future S unit debut, the Anniversary celebrated in this July will have Anniversary banner that offers 100% rate up selectable S-rank banner for every S-rank in the game, with this you can consider getting Core units that you've missed before and potentially saved your account.

• How to rotate Alisa in a physical team?

In order to have an effective rotation between each character in physical team, it is recommended to have the minimum of: SS rank for Stigmata, S rank for Rosetta with Maxed leap upgrades and SS rank with Signature weapon for Alisa. In order to avoid any possible dmg losses between rotation, it is recommended to be fast with stigmata so you can do her ultimate within amplifier class passive. Here's a basic example how to rotate a physical teamwork SS0 rank investment properly :

for ss3 rank or higher stigmata it will have different rotation variations that you can do and definitely way different compared with SS0 rank rotation. But for Rosetta and Alisa, both doesn't have difference in rotation between ranks, only alisa that's requires 3 less orb for rotation on sss rank.

[remote pier]

.

[dapper skiff]

So how many days until alisa again?

[shadow holly]

eos sooner

[remote pier]

~3 days

check pins mr helper

[dapper skiff]

No

[Frequently Asked Question(FAQ)s about Alisa: Echo](#📨・meta-help message)

Oh wait
That's not how i do it

[shadow holly]

holy wtf

bro warped the whole pasta

text wall ambush

[dapper skiff]

[(almost)EVERYTHING you need to know about Alisa: Echo before getting her for free!](#📨・meta-help message)

[barren plank]

For how to rotate Alisa, it's essentially hold atk+mantra orbs for justice mode, then 3ping until both core atks > ult?

[hazy sandal]

[dapper skiff]

F2p friendly pasta

[shadow holly]

global friendly pasta

[dapper skiff]

Tf u mean global friendly

global
pasta
reading pasta

[shadow holly]

not eu tho

[dapper skiff]

You're asking the impossible

[pine slate]

[barren plank]

Allo anyone

[dapper skiff]

[shadow holly]

eu is sss alisa basic human rights

no 3s backup wz demote group

[carmine reef]

ty for the alisa writeup mr kurai

[hazy sandal]

uwu

[barren plank]

kurailao

[dapper skiff]

No prob

Just like usual

[barren plank]

Halp anyone

[dapper skiff]

Crimson weeb is the one that started all of these pasta making

Thinking we were going to get massive amount of newbies here

[barren plank]

Alpha is secretly Italian

[frozen creek]

i was about to post a cw pasta but i forgot i dont have my phone on me

[dapper skiff]

And now

[frozen creek]

[dapper skiff]

[frozen creek]

idk how alisa works

im just gonna watch a vid like the day before

[broken vale]

[dapper skiff]

Hold basic and spam mantra orb at same time

Activate her zone with charging bow bar to max

Spam pings to fill the string bar on the bow (total 9 pings required to fill it full, 3 3 pings ot 2 3pings and 2p + 1p works)

After full click orb that has same colour with the ghost orb on top of normal orb line (just like balter)

Use ult if you have energy

Or just click another orb with same colour again if you haven't got enough energy yet

And swap to balt

[fringe grove]

Bad test. Astral S+ is ALWAYS better than Luna SS and is on par with Luna SSS. Solo camu SSS is better than both, team Camu with Max investment SSS/SSS+ is on par or better than Luna SSS depending on mission type (Battlefield she catches up waves 4-6 then lags behind final wave because Camu gets there faster and has his sig up by the time the boss is there and nukes it) and then much worse in Paincage because of obvious reasons.

Astral competes. You swapped to Vera who is always a net dps loss, you should never be swapping to Vera unless it's to proc a set bonus or use ONE 3 ping/sig and then swap off again. She is always a dps loss otherwise.

Also your individual skill is leaving a TON to be desired, how are you getting hit by CAMU of all the paincage bosses. He sucks. You also keep missing your skills. Bruh. At least use a GOOD attempt to showcase your claim.

Anyways, CN and JP have done this already and Astral has been consistently better than SS Luna and similar to SSS Luna when they are same investment

[rose yew]

[livid lark]

im just going to wait til she drops and then experiment with her kit

[barren plank]

That doesnt even have anything to do with Echo

[livid lark]

watching vid will only help so much

[fringe grove]

ur welcome

[frozen creek]

bad test

[dapper skiff]

What experiment

[rose yew]

bad test

[dapper skiff]

Her rotation is fixed to 1 kind of rot

Alisa doesn't have 0.5 or 1.5 kind of rot

[livid lark]

oh i mean like just test her out

[analog cargo]

forgor the arrow

[barren plank]

Alright more or less what I thought, tnank you kurailao

[livid lark]

if her rot is standardised then sure I'll see when I get her

[fringe grove]

her rot is the same thing everytime

[livid lark]

until luna comes out I don't think any of the kits for upcoming s ranks are complicated

[dapper skiff]

Okay about that one i don't really know

[frozen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/alisa-echo-punishing-gray-ravens-alisa-pgr-echo-pgr-pgr-gif-15505213938584857120

[fringe grove]

shes literally hyperreal

[barren plank]

Also I know u didnt ask but I finally went to the gym for the first time in a year
I did shoulders and core but for some reason my palms are the thing that ache the most lmao

[dapper skiff]

Is that her core passive or something else

[livid lark]

oh lol ok that makes it easy

[fringe grove]

the one variation is exactly like hyperreal
you can save an ult for next rot

and thats it

[analog cargo]

after u do the chains

u use 1 orb and she does a big arrow

https://youtu.be/ZxpM2ceOqzQ?t=55

[shadow holly]

i think aether said taht join attack is not relevant in sub sss rots anyway

[analog cargo]

if u dont have sss alisa

might as well quit

[shadow holly]

[livid lark]

[shadow holly]

real

[dapper skiff]

Oh u mean 2nd core

[analog cargo]

waht do u think arrow means

[shadow holly]

though what im interested in is

[dapper skiff]

I mean you're saying like i still missed one of her important kit for the rotation

[solar pier]

Jianxin as a sub dps, how's she doin

[dapper skiff]

Not very well

Since wuwa is banner in here

[shadow holly]

whats the point of her sss giving soulshatter mark for 2nd core on swap in if she gets it anyway after ult
and she always ends her rot on ult no?

[analog cargo]

thats afunny part

of when i learned to play alisa

[cerulean grotto]

@lusty tendon

[livid lark]

[cerulean grotto]

Wuwa gh going hard at it

[livid lark]

actually asking for the guy to be banned

[rose yew]

[cerulean grotto]

I mean, I just woke up to see wuwa, my day is ruined

[livid lark]

hating on wuwa smh

[cerulean grotto]

Not hating, waiting for its eos

[shadow holly]

[barren plank]

Waif wtf I was PANICKING FOR NEXT PATCH

[livid lark]

why

[barren plank]

No one told me if be fine for echo

[solar pier]

Oh shoot pgr

Lmao sorry

[barren plank]

U get a free 25 accelerators just for hitting lv80

[shadow holly]

so is that part of her sss passive actually useless
or am i indeed missing something

[livid lark]

lol did you think this was the wuthering waves discord

[dapper skiff]

Next patch is anniversary already

[solar pier]

Yes lmao

[dapper skiff]

Oh so free harmo day1?

[analog cargo]

idk

[livid lark]

yea no you arent in the right place

[analog cargo]

sounds like it

[barren plank]

Yea i just watched spider2b vid

[shadow holly]

[analog cargo]

but u woudnt be able to do it first rotation

[dapper skiff]

Nice

[barren plank]

Free harmo day1 for vets

[shadow holly]

yea main benefit is first rot

[livid lark]

yay nice

so free alisa harmo if I can get her sig

[shadow holly]

but oh well 30 might is great
-1 3ping

[barren plank]

Wait tho u still need to buy the DV mems from the resource stage if u wanna harmo right

[dapper skiff]

Idk if r2 S0 alisa is actually playable in rotation compared with r0 SS

Still gonn take some times to get the rest of her 10 shards for ss0

20 from voucher already

[cerulean grotto]

This guy is cooked or nah?

[dapper skiff]

@analog cargo should i sacrifice 100 skulls for ss0 alisa day 1
Or just wait until August 1st for her ss0 with voucher only

[analog cargo]

wdym sacrifice

[cerulean grotto]

Day 1

[analog cargo]

i mea

u know taht we get more skulls

in her patch

[cerulean grotto]

Also yea, wdym sacrifice?

Don't we use skulls to ss them anyway?

[dapper skiff]

I mean she's voucherable

[cerulean grotto]

Get sss

[analog cargo]

if u dont plan to sss

i guess its wtv rly

[livid lark]

already prepped to get her ss3 when next month comes around

[cerulean grotto]

Her ss3 is useless btw

SS or SSS

[livid lark]

no i know that

it's to get to her sss faster

[ashen edge]

[livid lark]

so I just need 3 months of vouchers

and waiting to get her sss

[dapper skiff]

Alright then

[barren plank]

Anyone

[dapper skiff]

No sss for me so 100 skulls it is

Can use voucher for maybe ss3 balt ig

Or idk
Kinda lost in voucher uses now

[shadow holly]

1.2k spinnies

u dont buy memories

u spend spinnnies to unloc kspecific memory for harmo for that weapon

[dapper skiff]

1 Sss units gonna takes whole year, probably gonna have the unit replaced already by the time i sss one voucher unit

[livid lark]

oh you don't?

[dapper skiff]

Oh actually
Ss3 wanshi sounds beeeg

[shadow holly]

so u just spend 25 accelerators to unloc kharmo
then 1.2k spinnies per memory for harmo

[ashen edge]

you don’t buy memory

[livid lark]

how many skulls is 1 accelerator

[ashen edge]

there is a UI in harmony to select memory

[livid lark]

ohh ok I see

[ashen edge]

25 skulls = 1 accelerator

[livid lark]

oh so it's 25 x 25

[ashen edge]

yea

[livid lark]

225 skulls to harmo one

[shadow holly]

625 skulls one harmo

[dapper skiff]

Lmao

[livid lark]

huh?

[shadow holly]

[dapper skiff]

Ur math ain't mathing

[livid lark]

do you math bro

[rose yew]

25x25 is 256 what are yall on

[shadow holly]

225 is 25x9

[dapper skiff]

It's 15x15 that's 225

[livid lark]

oh ok rip that's me then

[ashen edge]

[livid lark]

tehe

[ashen edge]

nandayo

[livid lark]

sowwy

[shadow holly]

[livid lark]

i didn't math right

[dapper skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/hitting-someone-with-a-bat-hitting-a-guy-into-a-screen-hitting-and-breaking-the-screen-gif-24414471

[livid lark]

ok 625
💀

[shadow holly]

no u will be burning in hell for eternity for a math mistake in a discord server

[livid lark]

no please
don't put me in the red tide

anything but that

[dapper skiff]

Nah

You're going to the rainbow tide

[livid lark]

why

[dapper skiff]

U won't be walking straight anymore

[shadow holly]

[livid lark]

[ashen edge]

[shadow holly]

bro busted out the kurai special

[livid lark]

ayo

[dapper skiff]

Gonna call siren to dip u in the tide like I'm dipping my dino nugget every lunch

[livid lark]

please i dont wanna

[cerulean grotto]

Liv here

With some meat

[livid lark]

please no I like my meat

sorry if I'm not good with numbers
the only numbers I'm good at are 3 sizes

[dapper skiff]

What's teddy 3 size then

Asking for friend

[livid lark]

[dapper skiff]

What

[livid lark]

i havent measured

[dapper skiff]

Noob

[ashen edge]

[dapper skiff]

Whaat