🚀・off-topic-lobby

[silent trout]

im still not sure how to play her

[cunning seal]

Fill up bar, switch to axe form, go ham, hold attack and ult

[silent trout]

is it just red/blue spam then yellow to switch to axe mode then hold down attack

[cunning seal]

Yeah basically

[silent trout]

insane

[cunning seal]

but do sprinkle in some ba or you won't have enough energy

[silent trout]

yeah i usually dont have enough

https://tenor.com/view/raisin-raisin-cookie-colphne-colphne-gfl2-gfl2-gif-2364593292479025058

[silent trout]

she didnt say that

[wicked sedge]

GUNNER, HEAT, TANK! TRAVERSE LEFT! ON! IDENTIFIED! UP! FIRE, FIRE SABOT! ON THE WAY!

https://tenor.com/view/ghpc-tank-you-explosion-t72-gif-7960569570162937542

[rough moat]

My condolences

[mystic stump]

[tepid notch]

this isn't the first time

[ornate crescent]

ishmael team rotation guide:

[wicked sedge]

Why does Lancer look off there.

I can't pin it on anything concrete right now but something about him just doesn't feel right.

[silent trout]

arent both of them chinese

[cunning seal]

Damn, not even anime characters can escape it

The dreaded

[coarse bloom]

God modding is fun

[cunning seal]

Average Playboy Carti lyrics

[iron jacinth]

Just how??? Why does it have so many collabs

[quiet hawk]

devil may collab

[silent trout]

money

it is one of the highest grossing game inn south east asia

i was talking about free fire

[quiet hawk]

oh

[silent trout]

dmc gets alot of collabs mostly because capcom needs money to fund resident evil remakes

[quiet hawk]

hope so they make dmc 3 remake

[silent trout]

top 10 things that will never happen

[slow shoal]

With Itsuno gone, the hope turn into ashes

[silent trout]

tbh a remaster/remake is only gonna ruin dmc 3

the game is fine as it is

[quiet hawk]

maybe yeah

[silent trout]

theyre gonna port it to ue annd make the game lose all of its soul

[silent trout]

ah yeah i totally forgot about that 😭

[slow shoal]

Well, we already got a remastered of it in the form of HD collection

[silent trout]

thats funny because ps2 ver looks miles better

just get an emu and upscale the game

[glad cradle]

I love this coating. I don't care if someone hate this coating or nah

[steady spire]

Hi

[silent trout]

and hd collection dmc3 will look ass compared to ps2

[steady spire]

Hi guys

[slow shoal]

my laptop is not strong enough to emulate, so I just play the original PC port

[silent trout]

i fw with the default coating more ngl

[silent trout]

do you have a laptop from the 2000s lmao

guess which is ps2 and which is hd collection

[slow shoal]

2014

[silent trout]

tragic

[slow shoal]

I know the left one is the HD collection with how much they blur the screen

[silent trout]

no

the right one is hd LMAO

blur and other post proc effects doesnt even work properly in hd 😭

[slow shoal]

[steady spire]

Hi

[silent trout]

transparent textures doesnt even work in hd 💔

[glad cradle]

you sure?

[silent trout]

yeah, the default one looks cuter

this one is kinda too busy for the eye and too bright for my taste

[steady spire]

?

[slow shoal]

tbh, I kinda forgot
Also the fact that I never play the PS2 version
All I remember from the HD collection is when a cutscenes start, the audio got delayed alot when I played it

[glad cradle]

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i reject your rejection

[silent trout]

need her

50 rolls in and i still havent got her

[steady spire]

That's good

[silent trout]

agree to disagree?

[steady spire]

bro

[glad cradle]

i shoot your opinion

[eternal agate]

thats the joke

[steady spire]

Full on angry mood

[quaint garden]

IT'S FREAKING CURSED WAVES LMFAO

[wicked sedge]

Bad shot, try this one instead next time.

The funniest part about this image is that I can see the extractor is raised.
There is a live round in that chamber.
The safety, thankfully, is flipped downwards, meaning it has decocked the M9 and disconnected the trigger from the hammer assembly.

[silent trout]

[golden falcon]

is this for free in blueprint shop?

[glad cradle]

49 blueprint tickets during future patch

[golden falcon]

real??!?????

[glad cradle]

idk when it will be free but yes its free

i don't like to wait so i bought the coating when pulling tickets

who the hek remove cross sign don't know a thing

[old inlet]

oh wait damn im stupid
yea the skin is free lmfao. i was thinking abt the background for some reason

[golden falcon]

lmao

[glad cradle]

1 brain cell moment

anyways you got the answer

[golden falcon]

I guess its unwise to pull on lilith's debut banner

[glad cradle]

hell na i want the limited banner

[old inlet]

[glad cradle]

i want another copy

[golden falcon]

I'm thinking about pulling on fate...

MY FIRST 10 LOL

[glad cradle]

noice

[golden falcon]

lilith is part of asc net?

[glad cradle]

ofcourse and roland too

[golden falcon]

well I did read the story, its implied she is now an ascendant

[devout thunder]

I might be Ishmael

[devout thunder]

Gotta do them all

[eternal agate]

i will eat you

[thick ridge]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ9NIgdzofT/?igsh=MWF1ZzYwbWV2azRvMw==

artelsia

Drew 2B! Elegant outfits suit her so well 🥰

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#digitalart #procreate #digitaldrawing #drawing #artistsoninstagram #artistoninstagram #artwork #digitalpainting #procreateart #illustration #nier #nierautomata

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Another banger from the GOAT
2B FROM nier automata

[lapis kiln]

Ploom

https://tenor.com/view/genshiken-ohno-kanako-ohno-laugh-giggle-gif-20682176

[floral imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cartethyia-wuthering-waves-wuwa-cute-chibi-gif-11981049417085221685

[valid tinsel]

Ohayo ohayo ohayo yo yo , yo yo yo yo ohayo yo

[floral imp]

https://tenor.com/view/achevo-cartethyia-cartethyia-dance-cartethyia-bop-wuwa-gif-661616465382400828

[lapis kiln]

Ah

[topaz wraith]

Yikes

[slim knoll]

The virus spreading

[topaz wraith]

Woah the face of death

[slim knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-ホロライブ-hologra-ホロぐら-hoshimachi-suisei-gif-24431060

Perfect phoebe

[valid tinsel]

[floral imp]

Send Feeb pics

[slim knoll]

More

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[topaz wraith]

Send feet

[floral imp]

https://tenor.com/view/wuwa-wuthering-waves-dance-peeb-phoebe-gif-5435476710252700030

[valid tinsel]

Are you sure?

[topaz wraith]

Yes

[topaz wraith]

Tanith feet

Not bad

[minor briar]

I think

I am not suitable for wuwa

I off rate at every 50%

[valid tinsel]

You're with me

0% win rate

[minor briar]

Yes my win rate is 0%

I'm so sick of it so I decided to quit the game

[valid tinsel]

Oof

I didn't want to quit...... mostly because i only lost to verina

[minor briar]

It's always verina and encore

Pgr gacha is just better

[valid tinsel]

I like 50/50 tho

That keeps me attached to the game

Didn't know I'm this addicted to gambling

[hasty badger]

I love how now Wuwa also have stuff like this PGR

[minor briar]

Yes you are

[mint owl]

hello punishing grays

[bright summit]

hey would you guys like a PGR and nikke collab?

[dull estuary]

https://youtu.be/vKYzRdffRls?si=mEmHTAJ_BAJto8AX

[topaz wraith]

Ahahah

[valid tinsel]

[quaint garden]

They would be obligated to add Scarlet so we could have 3 vergils in a single team

[dull estuary]

https://fixupx.com/BandaiNamcoUS/status/1925699586640707708?t=tQzn6BIv689MKiy1npN5KQ&s=19

Bandai Namco US (@BandaiNamcoUS)

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FixupX · May 22, 2025, 11:45 PM

[lunar lagoon]

Playing dmc3 using V

(mind the lag)

[mint owl]

now emulate dmcV

[lunar lagoon]

Not possible

This is only ps2 emulator

[mint owl]

it will be in a year mhm mhm

[lunar lagoon]

Most ps5 emulators on google are pirated so I don't wanna risk getting my phone hacked

This is the only phone i have

[topaz wraith]

God let this be fake

[lunar lagoon]

I love and hate f2p players on tf2 😀

I wanna vent my frustration on them using vc but then i realized some of them are js a kid or js started playing

[mint owl]

If it is real then it's in good hands, alex garland makes some of the most awesome and well recieved movies

Lowk recommend you check some of his works cause it's straight up fyre emoji

[topaz wraith]

Eh I don’t know

Not because of the director

But I don’t even know how Fromsoft’s stories and world can even translate into a movie medium

And with how vast ER is, no 2 hour movie could do it justice

[mint owl]

Now that you mention it yeah you have a point

[quaint garden]

Yeah how tf do you turn a souls game into a movie when 90% of the story in those games isn't told directly

[topaz wraith]

I would be extremely skeptical of an animated show

But a movie

That sounds like cash grab to me

Its like if Game of Thrones was a movie

And you can say that if they focus on one big event like Night of the Black Knives

The entire philosophy of From is to present their stories like history, speculation and lore crafting being a part of the experience itself

The moment you make a movie about it, you kill all lore and theorycrafting related to it

[cunning seal]

Fat f*ck

[frozen flare]

Jack black

[cunning seal]

Chicken jo- nah I ain't doing that.

[topaz wraith]

@valid tinsel

You watch frieren?

[frozen flare]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DFC8o3fpx16/?igsh=MTI4czd6azI4MjR4NQ==

listeningmyblue (@listeningmyblue)

Just imagine🤢

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Why yall dont want dante and vergil being middle age men design

[rustic bluff]

As much as DMC collab sucks this take is just delulu

[ionic isle]

never let bro cook again

[frozen flare]

Im glad kuro follow the trend "lore accurate playable boss character"

[nimble egret]

I thought you got one copy of Dante for free?

[nimble egret]

Bro said the collab sucks

How

[rustic bluff]

Making limited time characters that will never rerun meta and then asking players to pull 45K BC minimum out of thin air is not a good collab

[deep bane]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2025/05/21/its-official-michael-bay-will-direct-the-skibidi-toilet-movie/

[nimble egret]

They are meta? I was told they weren’t though

[rustic bluff]

They are

[nimble egret]

And I mean we’ve known for a while they were coming, plenty of time to save for them.

They’re also giving you u multiple dupes in 1 pull

And they’ve literally pulled the entire devil may cry peak of combat community

I’d say they did well, they even have the voice actors.

[rustic bluff]

Bro
How can you "save" when every S-rank character in this game is mandatory to pull in order to compete

New players are barely able to afford every character

And then somehow they have to get cubs and weapon

Usually in a regular patch that's like 27K BC when F2P income is like 15K-16K ish per patch

And then you ask them to pull 45K BC out of thin air

Just because something was hyped or highly anticipated does not give the devs the excuse to pull the rug on players

[nimble egret]

I guess if you’re pressed about the rankings and stuff it’s an issue but I play casually and don’t care about being at the top. And PGR is like one of the most f2p friendly gacha games I’ve played, expecting to be able to save up and get every S character they drop is super entitled ngl. It’s a f2p gacha game at the end of the day.

Idk anything about all that I’m not a hardcore player but I’ve been saving just fine and I’ve gotten the last 4 characters they’ve dropped without spending a dime, same with my
Brother. And we are devil may cry fans, when I say then did well with the collab I speak on how well they made the characters and their gameplay

They’re spot on

[deep bane]

i'd probably keep dante at S since he's free, but i'll pull both their cubs and weapons

now only 35.5k is needed

[topaz wraith]

Essaying essaying

[rustic bluff]

"Idc about trying so the collab is perfect"
It doesn't matter how well made or detailed a character is, if it's greedy it's greedy

Also when nearly every characters is incomplete or a straight up cripple without their signature gear I dont think you can call it a F2P friendly game even if you can afford every S-rank (barely too, and it's getting even worse with how much SS3s are becoming harder and harder to actually ignore)

[rustic bluff]

Not a single character since 2023 has ever been functional without SS rank, free Dante is a scam

Actually there are instances of ppl needing SS even earlier

[topaz wraith]

A g-g-greedy gacha game.?!

I don’t believe you.

[deep bane]

ignition's not really relevant in the meta yet anyway since it's only a choice in wz

[rustic bluff]

Kinda is when it's one of the highest scoring teams about equal to glacio

[deep bane]

yeah and that will probably change pretty soon after the dmc patch when better characters are added

[regal holly]

Dudu seggs

[rustic bluff]

We have no way to know when that would actually happen

They could make it 2 patches or they could make it a whole year
Both are equally as bad actually

[nimble egret]

Cool

[rustic bluff]

Ok so please don't give advice or opinions on something you know extremely little about, thank you

[nimble egret]

I know plenty you just aren’t worth my time goofy lol

You sound entitled aaf

That’s all there is to it.

[deep bane]

so pulling the dmc characters will give me like a 5% extra chance to stay in legend for a couple patches before that goes to 0%

[nimble egret]

crying because you can’t get multiple copies of the same character of every character and their cubs in a f2p gacha game. Insane levels of entitlement

[rustic bluff]

How is that entitlement when the game requires it of you to play properly?

[nimble egret]

And doesn’t matter what you say, collab was good enough to pull an entire games community away from it

You aren’t a DMC fan either

So this collab wasn’t really for you anyway

[regal holly]

Yap yap yap

[rustic bluff]

It doesn't matter what the collab is

[nimble egret]

Cope

[rustic bluff]

It could be Hi3 or any game I like, if they're meta its inherently bad

[nimble egret]

DMC collab is doing numbers rn what your personal opinion is irrelevant

[deep bane]

this is at worst a minor disruption to the game's meta for maybe a year

[rustic bluff]

"Idc about trying so collab is perfect"
Also calling me entitled and spoiled yet saying "this collab isnt for you" when I say it's bad is peak hypocrisy lmao

[rustic bluff]

It sets an extremeley dangerous precedent

[regal holly]

it already happened back then anyways cough nier

[rustic bluff]

Even if affix content is "optional" in theory the fact they are able to dish out so much makes it much harder to ignore in practice

(Also affix isnt just legend btw)

[deep bane]

yea it literally happened worse 2 years ago, now we have a slightly less bad problem

[rustic bluff]

It's worse if anything cause it shows they didn't learn their lesson from NieR

[dull estuary]

I...AM TARNISHED

[frozen flare]

Absolute cinema

[slim knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/durandal-dudu-bianka-bianka-ataegina-mini-durandal-gif-15198110540701989595

[rustic bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/durandal-chibi-honkai-impact-3rd-hi3-licking-gif-1096808004961585163

[slim knoll]

It's been a long time

[oak ruin]

Nier and DMC5 collab were more hype, so they want the collab characters to sell.

[alpine otter]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-arona-licks-gif-494252915199264994

[oak ruin]

Black Rock Shooter was much less known, so that's why that one wasn't that hyped.

[rustic bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/jjba-jojos-bizarre-adventure-kakyoin-noriaki-kakyoin-cherry-gif-25152758

[slim knoll]

I like the Alpha drip

[rustic bluff]

That's exactly the problem

The brands will do and sell extremely well cause they already huge name recognition

Why do you need to make them meta and force profits even more?

[slim knoll]

I have stop playing Honkai impact

[rustic bluff]

It's not good for players in the end of it

[slim knoll]

I missed the old story tho

[rustic bluff]

I remember when I had to quit Hi3

It hurt like hell cause of the nostalgia but in the end it was for the better

[alpine otter]

this conversation has been a treat to read through

[slim knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/kiana-kiana-kaslana-tuna-honkai-honkai-impact-gif-3331070723939004899

[rustic bluff]

Yea I was way more aggressive than usual here

But I've grown tired of all these bootlickers tbh it pisses me off so much

[limpid pine]

My type of women

[eternal agate]

i did NOT expect to see FPE:S here

what is this random ass lineup

[slim knoll]

Class of 09 got me laughing

[limpid pine]

Women that I have romantic crushes on

[limpid pine]

Co09 fan spotted

[eternal agate]

furina is peak

[oak ruin]

Oh, you actually quit HI3 too?

[robust spear]

So I picked this up and I must say
I like
But the real star of the screenshot is the Phoebe mouse pointer, let's be real.

[slim knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/class-of-09-jeffery-class-of-09-gif-15181263281453206494

[robust spear]

I got snagged by NIKKE official ASMR and well...

[slim knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/hoshimachi-suisei-gasps-hoshimachi-suisei-星街すいせい-suisei-すいせい-gif-10631464953540649055

[oak ruin]

To be frank, HI3 got much greedier since part 2 started

Sure, you needed "only" 150 pulls for a S-rank and her full gear, but

[robust spear]

Fu Hua/Senti still best girl tho

[oak ruin]

The astral ring synergy messes up with who you can use in the team... And back to back S-ranks meant no time to save crystals and being required to skip many units.

Not to mention now the powercreep is dreadful... All the early part 2 units (which are around 1 year old) are now "dead" in a meta sense.

[rustic bluff]

Yea since like late 2023

[rustic bluff]

It's weird cause it's so much better yet somehow so much worse

And I thought Pt1 ELFs were broken

Which they still are but they look sominor compared to AR supports now

Especially LoA

[oak ruin]

It was for the best 😔

[rustic bluff]

Actually JD Serapeum too

[oak ruin]

Yes, the new astral ring type that came with small Dudu and the newer Kiama is really a notch above the rest

[rustic bluff]

I love how like quarter of them are like canonical lesbians LMAO

Ur so real for that

[limpid pine]

I can't help that I have crushes on women who are lesbians

I just find them hot

[oak ruin]

What totally killed my enjoyment for HI3 was the HSR collab though

I was already very annoyed about that monkey main quest in HSR by that point.

[rustic bluff]

Actually is Sparkle available to rerun or is she gone forever

[eternal agate]

the characters are better than the game in so many gachas

[oak ruin]

Sparkle gets reruns

[rustic bluff]

Ok at least

[oak ruin]

But damn, son

[rustic bluff]

Not like you could afford to pull reruns

[oak ruin]

Bringing the HSR brain rot in full to HI3

And all the trailers for the collab were "false advertising", literally

They had the audacity to put Seele in a trashcan!

To top it all off, voiced Trashcan Cocolia became a thing...

[rustic bluff]

Lmao

[rustic bluff]

Wait what did they do?

[oak ruin]

Do you know those muscular HSR trashcans?

[rustic bluff]

Yes the walking cans

[oak ruin]

Ok

They put Cocolia's hair on one, drew eyes on it and brough and brough the actress to record some lines for it

[rustic bluff]

I swear I feel like Cocolia was one of the most under utilized characters in the entirety of Hi3 main story, at least she got a little more backstory and lore in the manga ig

[oak ruin]

And had Bronya make her meme face while this was happening.

[rustic bluff]

Man

She deserved better fr 😭

[oak ruin]

yeah, it's literally Memekai Impact 3rd at this point

[rustic bluff]

The sales were so bad they just started making old characters again 😭

Literally CNY Kiana is such an ass pull imo its so bad

[oak ruin]

That's why I returned actually, but her gameplay became boring real quick

It's ironic, that even CNY Kiana cannot save HI3.

[dull estuary]

https://youtu.be/DAsxlyygMNs?si=Y9LBz_6n9jzbT4YG

[rustic bluff]

I think the part why I hate it is that just I don't see a lore justification for it

Kiana is stuck on the moon and must be there to maintain the stability of finality's authority or whatever

Except nope she decides to pop onto mars for CNY

[oak ruin]

I had a friend summarize the 2 events that featured her ... So it's canon event now, including the snake.

[rustic bluff]

Well anything can be canon but the justification is probably stupid

[oak ruin]

It is

Same with sleepy Theresa or bamboo Sushang

Small Dudu is literally her Mars VR avatar

And sleepy Theresa was a dream version of her, turned into her Mars VR model, because Vita is a (bleep)

[high arrow]

The game has been cooked for a while. A lot of people have quit post part 2

[oak ruin]

Part 1 units still offered some team flexibility

Like, you had DPS options and support options if you lacked the meta picks

But part 2 units?
Nope. No full signature gear on a unit = unusable.

[high arrow]

My main issue with part 2 is its existence. I know people said the story continuing is fine but I genuinely can't find a reason to.

Moon arc was already decent at best and it's felt downhill since

The game lost so much steam post Elysium Realm.

[rustic bluff]

Id say story started going downhill earlier, since Otto arc actually

Maybe I missed smth in the mangas but the suddden revelation that Dudu was the real Kiana was such a random ass pull to me

And yes we know Otto is a master manipulator, but ur telling me this mf somehow managed to fcking serenade the WoH to open up the Imaginary Tree for him???

[dense delta]

On skibidi

[supple smelt]

But hey at least they’re making an attempt to improve the new player experience

A deeply flawed attempt but still an attempt

[rustic bluff]

I'll give em that actually

[supple smelt]

Then you realize that it’s main competition in its genre has 60 pity 100% character banners with everyone entering the standard banner 2 patches after their release and weapon banners that were permanent 30 pity with no other equipment banners and you truly realize just how flawed that “attempt” was

Also the powercreep was at least slower than how it’s going in part 1 and post-2.4 HSR but again that’s a lot less impressive when a lot of gacha games both pre- and post-Genshin (including PGR) has average character lifespans of 15-20 patches

[supple smelt]

Now I wonder how the gacha space will be going in the future because after all a massive number of new releases was announced this year including Hoyo’s own new Honkai monster catcher

And whether hoyo will still be stuck in the past or not

[silent seal]

This is genuinely the worst thing ive ever seen in my whole life

"shirou can replicate AVALON"

say that again?

[eternal agate]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-some-of-these-words-mhmm-clueless-words-i-know-gif-5609882

[rustic bluff]

@cosmic pagoda look FGO lore thingy

[cosmic pagoda]

TLDR he can now

Adventures of El Melloi happens after UBW
And Shirou got upgrade

[supple smelt]

Because after all Hoyo’s business model being to slowly drip feed small amounts of new QoL and freebies one at a time while withholding the big ones only works because at the time the mainstream casual audience as a whole hasn’t seen any major non-Genshin/hsr gacha games and don’t know the high standard of quality and F2P friendliness outside of Hoyo

[cosmic pagoda]

He can actually create his own Noble Phantasms now

[silent seal]

Like the ACTUAL avalon?

[cosmic pagoda]

He can copy Avalon 1:1

But it doesn't stay for long

Hell he was able to copy the Key of Ea too

[silent seal]

Or is it just that he has access to it? I actually don't remember him being able to copy avalon

[cosmic pagoda]

He has Avalon inside him

[silent seal]

Hold on, I'm gonna have to research about that

[supple smelt]

Which is why WuWa’s release dealt such a big blow because between the massive numbers of QoL revealed during the pre release periods and the constant massive bug compensation during the initial buggy 1.0 launch state now the mainstream Genshin audience understood what it means when the devs truly listened

[silent seal]

Well yes, he does have it but I don't remember him being able to copy it

[cosmic pagoda]

Adventures of El Melloi is a messed up series

[silent seal]

This is why I never watch F/SN in-universe because it is soo confusing

[cosmic pagoda]

He can basically copy paste the effects of Avalon for a duration
But he draws out too much mana so he's like "FCK it",

[low ferry]

Yes, WW really listened

I loved my free 5* this anni

[regal holly]

It will lets be fr this was hsr was like that in the beginning well well well look at the state of it back to good ol milking cash cows habits

[low ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1237827974926041098.gif?quality=lossless&name=zzzsnackcat&size=48

[silent seal]

Like at the very least, each and every fate spinoffs were understandable but the original fate series? nah

[regal holly]

Zzz will sooner than later also reach this point

[low ferry]

It's hilarious how a few freebies can brainwash people

[regal holly]

I loved my free verina

Rc4

[low ferry]

It's impossible that they haven't realized yet that the whole devs listened is all a strategy, they first create the problem and then they give you the solution just to farm the devs listened

[low ferry]

Hilarious how easy is to trick the Kurobots

[rough moat]

AK is so painful to play nowadays IMO

[supple smelt]

And now 1 year later other companies saw WuWa’s massive success and decided to follow the same model of listening to the mainstream Hoyo audience so now we got lots of incoming high profile mainstream releases like black beacon or Ananta or Etheria restart this year

[low ferry]

This is level of insane Kurobottism

[lyric pier]

I wonder if there are main servers like other games do for specific characters

[rough moat]

Yostar’s smooth brained CS and the lack of incentive to login and play

[low ferry]

Especially since BB is nowhere near that description given above

[supple smelt]

Coming from the same company that brought you 60-pity 100% rate banners, characters that enter the standard banner permanently 2 patches after their release, average character lifespans of 15-20 patches, permanent 30 pity 80% weapon banners and being able to get enough blank cards to pull everyone on their debut patch

[low ferry]

A gacha company only cares about money

[lyric pier]

The flashbacks

[rough moat]

Idk man, I just play game and log out.

[low ferry]

They copy the model that makes them more money hence why Kuro copied the Hoyo gacha model with WW

[supple smelt]

But that’s still only 1 game out of the many announced or releasing later this year

[low ferry]

BB isn"t a mainstream gacha, neither in term of budget nor in term of quality

[supple smelt]

But definitely targeting that mainstream audience though with all those gameplay aspects Genshin pioneered

[low ferry]

What? BB aspects similiar to Genshin?

What aspects are similiar to Genshin? Black Beacon is more similiar to PGR than Genshin

[supple smelt]

That whole banner system with a static unchanging standard banner, non guaranteed limited banner (to be fair, 70/30 is better than 50/50), and a limited weapon banner

[low ferry]

It's similiar to PGR

They also have a 100% iirc

[supple smelt]

Compared to the game it’s most often compared to where all the character move to the standard banner permanently 2 patches after release, the limited banner those characters debut in is 100% guaranteed, and there’s no limited weapon banners at all and instead a permanent weapon banner for every weapon ever released

[low ferry]

BB has definetely 100% debut character

[supple smelt]

And you can see black beacon leans a lot more towards the “Genshin standard” than PGR’s unique generosity

[supple smelt]

Notice how every banner clearly has “70% up” written on them

[low ferry]

Even 70/30 it doesn't follow the Genshin model

[regal holly]

The most genshin can do is 55/45

[low ferry]

Genshin model has some specific characteristics

[rustic bluff]

Has chinese one syllable name that starts with Q
Black clothing
Black and green hair
Long ass rapier-like spear

[supple smelt]

Okay that specific character on right now is more pgr than Genshin but the banner system of the game she was in is still more Genshin than PGR

[low ferry]

PGR has also a 70/30, is that Genshin as well?

[slim knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-suisei-meme-sleeping-holo-live-gif-25536797

[rustic bluff]

Me literally rn

[minor tartan]

is there somewhere I can refer to like to find out how much blacks cards I can farm in one month or something?

[low ferry]

Just saying, before Genshin there existed multiple gachas with a 50/50

[minor tartan]

from new player pov

[low ferry]

or non 100% pity

[tacit jewel]

a pain from another world

[supple smelt]

But that’s only for the rerun arrival banner where losing would get you any of the other 2 characters featured on that banner cycle and not the main debuting character banner which in PGR is a 100% guaranteed banner

[low ferry]

The Genshin model is 50/50, 90/80 pity, guaranteed at around the double, pity carries over

It's the main characteristics of the Genshin model

Games before Genshin like FGO had the 50/50 but no pity

WW follows this model

[supple smelt]

But genshin pretty much established the modern system of the rotation of the banners themselves per patch

[low ferry]

What? FGO had rotations before Genshin

That's not part of the Genshin model

Literally in FGO, you had part 1 and part 2 banner

[supple smelt]

But Genshin is the first true mainstream gacha and therefore the one to popularize this 2 part model

[low ferry]

Ok, but that it is not part of the Genshin model

FGO followed the Genshin model, before Genshin came out. That doesn't make sense

[fading quail]

a lot of genshin fans think hoyo invented the wheel so...

[low ferry]

Yea, it is a misconception

[fading quail]

I mean they think Alpha CW is a copy of Acheron when Alpha came at least 1 year before

[supple smelt]

But ultimately Kuro managed to reinvent the wheel with the whole “devs listened” thing so we still have to thank WuWa’s success for mainstream gacha absolutely exploding this year

[low ferry]

What? Nah, this is delusional

Developing a gacha on the scale of WW can be done in one year

Those games were in development before WW even came out

[supple smelt]

The thing is that Hoyo’s business model of drip feeding small amount of content one at a time only really works mainstream gacha is pretty much a Hoyo monopoly prior to WuWa’s release

[low ferry]

It still works today

[supple smelt]

So the casual audience has pretty much learned to expect nothing and therefore why Kuro actually listening to their playerbase works so well for them

[low ferry]

It is a double edged sword, because at one point people will realize the strategy, and the more you give the more they pretend

[supple smelt]

But the effectiveness is decaying as more and more of the audience realizes what’s wrong this whole time and Hoyo has started to slowly lose their playerbase over this last year

[low ferry]

They didn't at all

What happened is that their revenue spreaded across the three different games now instead of being focused only in one

[fading quail]

oh no they are, not as much as some people claim, but the fact they are FINALLY making certains QoL means they noticed something

[fading quail]

that one has other issue, their games cannibalize each other

[low ferry]

It depends on the type of QoL

[fading quail]

they are finally adding loadouts

[fading quail]

Kuro took months for that, Genshin has taken years

[supple smelt]

Genshin’s active player chart

[fading quail]

wtf happened in december

[low ferry]

Nah, no way

[low ferry]

That shows the opposite

[fading quail]

er... no? it starts from the bottom

[low ferry]

Considering the number has increased again

[fading quail]

still there was a big drop on december 2024, I wonder why...

[low ferry]

It shows pretty much that they stabilized around 55-60 millions

And they keep oscillating around that number

[supple smelt]

First one does not correspond to a specific month and even if you count that it’s only 3 pluses to 5 minuses plus there’s a -7m at December which is a harsh blow even to the biggest game companies

[long crown]

Is this SH?

[supple smelt]

Also the count dropped from 63m to 57m at the end

[low ferry]

Literally said that it is oscillating around that number

[fading quail]

still want to know what happened on that one

Cuz the next release was the freaking pyro archon so it would have been the opposite

[low ferry]

Also where did you get that?

[fading quail]

yeah, that should have been the first question

[low ferry]

It would be useful to get check that data for months previous to October/November

[supple smelt]

Path 5.3 is the only patch so far where both of the new characters were on the first half instead of the traditional 2 part/character structure with the second half only being reruns because apparently Hoyo doesn’t want anyone to pull for mavuika using the lunar new year rewards

Cue boycott

[fading quail]

5.3 was in january 2025

I know since I pulled Mavuika day 1

that was something that was brewing before that one

[supple smelt]

Probably just 5.2 being an empty patch with nothing to really show

[low ferry]

Oh steam data

Just saying, most people play through Hoyo launcher

[supple smelt]

Oh and Zenless zone zero just don’t really have anything to show after it’s first 2 patches I guess

[low ferry]

That data isn't in any way representative of anything, as such some people may have moved from steam to their launcher

[supple smelt]

Hoyo never released on steam

[low ferry]

So where does that data come from?

[supple smelt]

Mobile app store

[low ferry]

In any case it is not an aggregate of all server logins

[fading quail]

only hoyo game on steam is HI3 I think

[low ferry]

Here is what it says

This literally has the same value has revenue charts that for WW fans were fake when Ww wasn't doing good

Where did you get those numbers are from app store?

[craggy solar]

any wuwa players here?

[supple smelt]

But anyway the main key point here is that Hoyo is still stuck in the past in terms of their gameplay and their hold on the mainstream gacha market and they’re going to lag behind the massive number of new competitors coming this year if something’s not done

[low ferry]

The new competitors will end up eating WW playerbase not hoyo

Reason why Kurobots were doomposting Silver Palace when trailer came out

[supple smelt]

Anyway just going to say I’m Etheria restarting day 1

[slow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/tigrex-vibing-waking-up-monster-hunter-gif-19125081

[craggy solar]

they are bots afterall. Weebs who are a singular hivemind listening to the majority

its the same with hoyoshills

hoyoshills are worse tho i think

[low ferry]

Yep, but both are bad

[craggy solar]

i went here from the wuwa official server since i got banned

was kind of bs since i was kind of making oder ppl aware

[low ferry]

That place is toxic positvity

You are not gonna have any meaningful discussion there

[warm latch]

WELCOME TO! HOW TO BECOME A GAZZILIONAIR

hehehehehehheehehehehehehe

[dull estuary]

🇺🇸 🦅 🍔
https://twitter.com/rintubein/status/1925515427804848306
https://twitter.com/nerissa_en/status/1925574598633881927?s=19

rinre (@rintubein)

you know when guys are like "when they talk about boys it kills my immersion" that's me when they remind me they're so painfully american

X · May 22, 2025, 11:33 AM

Nerissa Ravencroft🎼holoEN (@nerissa_en)

@rintubein Okay unfollow me then

X · May 22, 2025, 3:28 PM

[frozen silo]

https://youtu.be/sxVmSJfgDOo

I love the vibe

[supple smelt]

So just going to ask you if you want to play any more gacha games because this year is going to bring a lot of them

[slow shoal]

Nope

[low ferry]

Play real games instead of gacha

[floral imp]

Nowadays real games are the real gacha pull.
50/50
They are either total garbage or passable.

[supple smelt]

Already doing that

[floral imp]

[low ferry]

the worst real game still better than the best gacha

[valid tinsel]

I did watch it

[supple smelt]

Then there are the indie game industry which ends up making games that are infinitely better than what the triple As are dropping due to picking up the fun factor left behind during the pursuit of graphics quality and monetization

[craggy solar]

u guys talk about wuwa here?

[craggy solar]

i play real games

it kinda sucks though

I think i just failled my 100 point test, 40/100

[dull yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

[floral imp]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-smell-jetavie-pgr-punishing-gray-raven-gif-10591488456402950688

This patch is so dead. There is literally nothing besides the scuffed resource event where none of your decisions matter.
And Babel next week.

[warm latch]

Duet night abyss just looks like a bunch of animation got copied/inspired, anata we still don't know when it'll come out (probably before GTA 6), arknights end field looks sick just gotta hope they don't retcon half the stuff but I hope they add vehicles, neverness to everness looks alright, etheria restart well . . Turn based, azure promillia looks like a tride and true rpg, gonna skip the persona one after how that one gaccha made by the Danganronpa devs went, silver palace looks great need to see more than just feet for a final opinion though, and finally honkai nexus. . . Wth is that?

[warm latch]

What's dis?

[dull yacht]

lost ark

[warm latch]

Used to play that

Back when it came out for global

[low ferry]

Danganronpa devs game tribe nine ended up like that because the game only purpose was to scam money since after the devs moved away from Spike Chunksoft and made their own company, they were on the risk of bankrupt

The game failed its purpose and it was killed

[dull estuary]

https://fxtwitter.com/ZangBerries/status/1925456749966106737

Zang 🍓 Berries = 座んGうベrRィい図 (@ZangBerries)

Saber and Archer's phone cases are the Command Seals of Shirou and Rin respectively

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FxTwitter · May 22, 2025, 7:40 AM

[warm latch]

Yuppers had the potential to be a great game

Sad they had to go down the gaccha route

[low ferry]

Yes

[warm latch]

You know how many people would just spend for skins of anime waifus

[low ferry]

They had no other choice, they were into some real trouble

[warm latch]

too much

[low ferry]

They still are into some real troubles, if their new real game that they are making doesn't sell

[warm latch]

Mhm

https://tenor.com/view/tribe-nine-tsuruko-semba-semba-gif-6165142952969106647

[frozen silo]

@floral imp another ss, another dupe

[warm latch]

Had me thinking this was PJSK

[frozen silo]

Lol

[floral imp]

Keep going. The game wants to give you outfit unlocks lol

[frozen silo]

Actually, regarding this, turn out you can use the outfit when you unlock LB2

So you don't need to go whaling for LB4, which is pretty neat

[floral imp]

Yeah

[frozen silo]

I already LB1 her using fragment

Beforehand

I always thought you need LB4 to get the outfit thing, so this is nice

[floral imp]

I thought that too.

[mild pelican]

What's LB?

[frozen silo]

This feature gonna be used rarely thought, considering each their own costume is always good anyway, especially future stuff

[frozen silo]

Limit break in this case

[mild pelican]

Oh i thought Lostbelt. Mb

[frozen silo]

Understandable

[mild pelican]

No, be mean.

[frozen silo]

Best i can do

[mild pelican]

You a meanie. I'll call my mom

[frozen silo]

She can't hear you, she in my bedroom

[mild pelican]

You ma daddy

[frozen silo]

Sure, i'm just gonna get some milk, brb

[rough moat]

thoughts on Jeff hardy chat?

[mild pelican]

Matt's brother?

[rough moat]

yep

[mild pelican]

What about him?

[rough moat]

the charismatic enigma
(we dont talk about victory road 2011)

what do you think of jeff

[mild pelican]

Inside or outside the wrestling career?

[rough moat]

in the ring

[floral imp]

[mild pelican]

Loved his finisher. It's so artistic ong

[floral imp]

This time I didn't hit 1M.

[mild pelican]

But too little drama

[rough moat]

His soundtrack is poggers aswell

his rivalry with CM Punk was good imo

[mild pelican]

Nah, nothing beats sami zayn's theme and Orton's old theme

[rough moat]

dang burn in my light, brings back ye good old days of SVR

[mild pelican]

Fr bruh. Literally yesterday i got recommended by yt to watch all WrestleMania. And damn did i binge everything

[frozen silo]

Tried with muua, she really gives big buff sheesh

[floral imp]

I think I could do better if I drop the Breaker for more buff.

I could just break with intel agent and Karen.

[frozen silo]

I really need better general buffer than S shiki, especially that buff crit, either SS2 seika or SS1 Seira

[supple smelt]

Anyway real quick my netherwing (not the hsr one, but the hypothetical one that came with my pgr Ishmael) is going to be taking a little rest real quick

[jolly spade]

I'm sticking my guns to rhythm ones. Those are actually ones where I dont have to depend on the gacha to play

[green dust]

https://x.com/DANT3DT/status/1925491009963606470?t=dIzMZm3zPKbnNjlCVWKfaQ&s=19

dante dmc #1 fan (@DANT3DT)

residents that Vergil gets along well with - Dante
residents that Vergil doesn’t gets along well with - Dante

residents that Dante gets along well with - Vergil
residents that Dante doesn’t gets along well with - Vergil

😭😭😭

X · May 22, 2025, 9:56 AM

[fervent glade]

https://youtu.be/2T-ZiEdMHvw?si=-vUt4sC21ak_Ha0T

so that is AI ... ayo?

[jolly spade]

Brother relationships at its finest

[opaque swan]

https://fxtwitter.com/Diesol/status/1925114473544913004?t=o-iE8hC7PWbYaXpvBYyprg&s=19

Dave Clark (@Diesol)

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FxTwitter · May 21, 2025, 9:00 AM

this just makes Who Killed Captain Alex looked like Warfare

[fair briar]

the entire clip is made by AI?

krazi

[dull estuary]

Esquie is Ina in disguise
Lmao
https://youtu.be/Nlxoe9mmxuM?si=-JWNTuLb5L_r9pHp

[rough moat]

my new DPS record for castorice

7 mil

[loud inlet]

Dragon death girl go boom

[mint owl]

yall fw shimeji simulation/glt

[floral imp]

It's DU. It's normal and low.

[rough moat]

Aw man

Just when I thought I did something right

[topaz wraith]

Dude

https://youtu.be/WQkhnichGlw?si=IaiOdxGI8p2-d3oJ

[runic zenith]

https://x.com/BB_BlackBeacon/status/1925839135966679339

Black Beacon (@BB_BlackBeacon)

✦ New version announcement | Version 1.1 - Forsaken Eternity ✦

The ancient entanglement that has persisted for millennia shall be ended here and now.

Seer, it is time to SEEK THE TRUTH in the eternal timeline of history.
They will soon be revealed.

🗓 Version update

X · May 23, 2025, 9:00 AM

[regal holly]

@random hornet mf i thought that old geezer at the back was kamael 💀

[topaz wraith]

Studio ghibli waves

https://youtu.be/OD29ao863tQ?si=MpuY-TRTJ_kYuWwX

[frozen silo]

Jp version, which mean there one for each voiced language
https://youtu.be/YGdIjw-yutw

They really put it in

[topaz wraith]

I have good news

It is possible to hurt Satan

[supple smelt]

Ehh who cares

[rough moat]

Aw dang, guess I’ll take my stuff elsewhere then

[winged sundial]

Name a more beautiful sound in the whole wide world, I'll wait

[rough moat]

If only

[topaz wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-dan-da-dan-momo-ayase-momo-anime-gif-3749599754004730180

[quartz pivot]

[rough moat]

Strap a Klee onto an AGM and watch those air to ground eliminations rack up

[silver wren]

https://youtu.be/ACjLWP_zviU?si=FDOk09mD3yhtVDGO

mother I pray

[rich folio]

warframe players would start sobbing

[supple smelt]

Okay is hoyo going to keep up with the changing gacha space or are they still stuck in the past

[silver wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216860340722204772/1329865253722390568/RDT_20250117_1828333414289069955158642.gif

[supple smelt]

Because the hoyo business model of drip feeding small amounts of content only really works because the mainstream gacha market is pretty much a monopoly so the casual audience don’t get to know the high quality and F2P friendliness standards outside Hoyo

Now that WuWa’s success proves that non-Hoyo companies targeting the casual audience by showing them what “devs listened” truly means can in fact work the mainstream gacha market exploded this year and hoyo is going to be left behind in the dust

[nocturne coral]

Hmm, gonna save for her...

Since I'm already on route to build Vergil's BIS team, I might as well get her too

[floral imp]

I'm gonna save her

[winged sundial]

BRUH

[nocturne coral]

Good, the game still in Mostly Negative

But nobody cares cuz COD fanboy still and will spent their livesavings for freaky skins

[winged sundial]

I've never seen a game on steam with worse review ratings, TreyArch has truly fallen

Damn, it's so many developer teams and it's still one of the worst flop games on steam

Lmao

[nocturne coral]

Also I liked how Warzone is 400GB

Just to make sure you won't be able to play any other games

[supple smelt]

And for that same amount of space you could get at least 2000 indie games with infinitely more gameplay creativity instead

[opaque swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283090785276788746/1375440731522728007/Screenshot_20250523-171612_YouTube.jpg?ex=6831b280&is=68306100&hm=0ff6c500d12ce67ae1c38f5cf8c64b93a4edc6df71b344cebd1f289091c09747&

[frozen silo]

Can't imagine this is the thing it's produce not too long ago

[supple smelt]

Okay zzz 2.0 and black beacon 1.1 get announced on the same day

ZZZ ⚔️ Black beacon

One comes from a company that’s stuck in the past with their monetization and powercreep and the other has a bit of a rough start but like WuWa could turn out to be a shining gem in the rough after later patches

[low ferry]

How are they stuck in the past if your beloved WW literally copypasted their monetization system

I understand loving Kuro but this is insane even for your average Kurobot

[green dust]

if crazy why hot

[low ferry]

literally every new big gacha is much likely gonna have that monetization system

[alpine otter]

how it feels listening to carpenter brut in the big 25 💔

[supple smelt]

And even WW following so closely to the Hoyo system does improve on it by making weapon banners 100% guaranteed and adding 5* limited character dupes to the trade shop so you couldn’t say Kuro didn’t completely rip it off

[low ferry]

They ripped it off, and changed something to slightly make it different

[remote sparrow]

Arguing over a gacha game is crazy

Play real games 💯

[low ferry]

I love destroying Kurobots

[remote sparrow]

Yall are diddlers anyway

[low ferry]

In the end it literally ripped of the monetization model, and future big gachas will follow that model as well

[remote sparrow]

[floral imp]

Bro says "play real games".

[remote sparrow]

Read ur name again

[floral imp]

Your point?

[remote sparrow]

Read it

[floral imp]

I read it. I don't see a problem.

[remote sparrow]

Exactly

[floral imp]

So that means I'm fine and you are playing a different sort of garbage instead of gacha garbage.

[low ferry]

The worst real game is better than the best gacha

[floral imp]

Real games are extinct.

[remote sparrow]

Weirdos

[supple smelt]

Okay but the counterpoint is that Reverse 1999 which is one of the bigger mainstream gacha games right now alongside the upcoming Etheria restart are willing to make a much bigger experiment with the Hoyo banner system by having no weapon banners at all and instead have you pull only characters

[remote sparrow]

Since when was that thing mainstream

[floral imp]

R99 big?

Is this guy OK?

[low ferry]

R99 isn't a mainstream gacha

[supple smelt]

So that “future big gachas will follow that monetization model as well” part is already invalid

[remote sparrow]

R1999 has the best character designs and good qol but gameplay is horrendous

[low ferry]

None of the games you listed are big gachas, neither in term of revenue nor playerbase

The big gacha, WW is the biggest example followed the Hoyo model

[supple smelt]

But Etheria restart certainly is going mainstream with all those marketing towards the HSR crowd and the marketing of PvP against other real players as a major factor

[floral imp]

It won't be as big as you think.

[low ferry]

You are deluding yourself, scammed by a bunch of freebies that came only because the game wasn't doing good, not as an act of generosity or anything and created in your mind an image of WW and Kuro that doesn't exist

[supple smelt]

Nah how am I a Kurobot if my laptop is not powerful enough to even play the game I’m “shilling” in the first place

[topaz wraith]

Oh come on..

[low ferry]

Since you love that activeplayer website you posted here, go check what WW is doing, it has been literally bleeding players since launch

[topaz wraith]

Search the ost on yt and find an unofficial one

[remote sparrow]

Whats ww

[floral imp]

World War

[remote sparrow]

Gacha?

The hell

[supple smelt]

Counterpoint but that same argument you made about genshin’s active player count only being an estimate and not actual counts can also be applied here + it clearly say here that the estimate only include Apple app store and Google play store counts not steam or kuro launcher counts

And since 2.0 greatly upped the minimum specs due to significantly scaling up the graphics this means that a lot of players most likely moved from mobile (which is tracked) to pc (which is not)

[low ferry]

Lmao

You can see steam active player count, even there it isn't doing good

[low ferry]

You brought those genshin numbers first

You see now you say they are estimateed because it showed something that doesn't fit your narrative but when you posted them before, for you they were the truth

[remote sparrow]

Came back for a few minutes on her release then quit now im back for cartethyia

[supple smelt]

The steam version never did well in the first place because most pc players probably ran the launcher on Kuro’s website instead

[remote sparrow]

Imagine playing gacha games

[low ferry]

So, on what you base this success?

[low ferry]

Revenue numbers are fake because WW does worse than Hoyo games, steam player numbers are fake because they don't fit your narrative, what are you using to determine WW success?

[remote sparrow]

Google easter egg or something

[supple smelt]

Oh wow hoyoshills in a server about a kuro game how am I even surprised

[noble tangle]

looks normal to me?

[noble tangle]

he's been here for awhile

sometime people just have different opinions

be it negative or positive

[low ferry]

Lmao, of course after getting destroyed argument after argument you use the hoyoshill card

[remote sparrow]

Yall corny as hell icl

[low ferry]

Maybe not everyone develops a a parasocial love for a big gacha company

remember kurobot, Kuro doesn't love neither care about you

[supple smelt]

Just play a real game at this point

[remote sparrow]

Dont copy my flow

[low ferry]

They only care about the money they make

You bootlicking them does nothing for you

[supple smelt]

There’s plenty of awesome indie games out there with very creative gameplay ideas

[remote sparrow]

Play dead cells idc

[supple smelt]

Plus many of them are free with no payment whatsoever

[remote sparrow]

I did flawless the collector boss fight

Getting to him was harder than the actual fight

[willow wharf]

Can you guys rate my Watanabe edit?

[remote sparrow]

No

[low ferry]

It's not even top 25

[noble tangle]

why would it need to be top 25

[remote sparrow]

Whats the main argument i thought yall fighting about genshin

[supple smelt]

Top 7 actually

[noble tangle]

how many players do you think are playing wuwa on steam

[low ferry]

Not many

[noble tangle]

well, yeah

[topaz wraith]

You must be new, people here fight about nothing

[remote sparrow]

Ive never seen Naruto mobile

[low ferry]

But he is the one who is saying something about WW success, but he hasn't brought any data to this

[noble tangle]

its a game with a built in launcher already
idk why anyone would go to steam to play it

[willow wharf]

Was that necessary?

[remote sparrow]

Theyre like mid 20s and act like kids

[noble tangle]

Well
JP revenue was higher this time
so its probably on an upward trend

[low ferry]

WW stabilized around 20millions

[supple smelt]

Hoyo’s business model is flawed and will not serve them well in a long run which somehow devolved into hoyo vs kuro specifically

[noble tangle]

yeah thats a good thing no?

[low ferry]

Which is okay for a game with that budget

[remote sparrow]

Whats the business model

[low ferry]

But this guy is moving the goal post now

[remote sparrow]

Loli bait/ goonerbait characters?

[noble tangle]

peak

they should make more of that

[remote sparrow]

Keep miyabi clean or im burning hoyo

[topaz wraith]

Its pretty entertaining sometimes

[noble tangle]

lolified Miyabi please~

[low ferry]

The initial argument was Kuro extreme success with WW has allowed other mainstream gachas

[remote sparrow]

Yeah pgr players are weirdos that probably diddle kids

[supple smelt]

Slowly feeding content once at a time while withholding the big ones which only really work out for the first 2 or so years after genshin’s release

[low ferry]

Which is not true no matter how you try to spin it

[topaz wraith]

Woah woah woah

[noble tangle]

ah, these type again~

[noble tangle]

...to do what

[low ferry]

to exist

[remote sparrow]

Bro nanami and luna look like under 15 , idc abt their canon age

[low ferry]

He was arguing how without ww no other mainstream gacha would have come out

[noble tangle]

well
yeah ok no that is dumb

no that literally makes 0 sense

WuWa has been out for a year

[low ferry]

Yes, that is what I tried to explain him

[noble tangle]

to put it into perspective, WuWa CBT was like, 3 years ago

[topaz wraith]

Ookay.?

[remote sparrow]

Ur one of them huh

[supple smelt]

Not to exist specifically but that it proves that new developers jumping into mainstream gacha for the first time is a viable strategy

[noble tangle]

its literally impossible to react to WuWa success and develop their own game that fast

[low ferry]

but he began to move the goalpost and try to make it a Kuro vs Hoyo thing when it never was

[noble tangle]

its just
not a thing

[topaz wraith]

I don’t play the game boss but that is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard

[remote sparrow]

Ben10 reference, prove me wrong

[low ferry]

A game needs to be developed to exist

[remote sparrow]

Wuwa didnt affect sht hoyo just degraded and made players find "better" games

[low ferry]

Hoyo divided its players between three games

[supple smelt]

And an argument I’m surprised no one ever mentioned in this whole thing is how a lot of the new mainstream gacha releases that are coming this year are made by new developer teams entirely

[noble tangle]

they...arent
what are you trying to tell me things like NTE or Anata or Silver Palace was in development after the success of WuWa?

[remote sparrow]

Nikke best gameplay

[supple smelt]

No not that

[low ferry]

Now check how many of those developers aren't under Tencent or Netease

[noble tangle]

then what was the idea
like ok, name one new developer that is jumping into mainstream as a result of wuthering wave

[supple smelt]

Mainstream gacha trying to capture the success of genshin have existed for a long time now

[remote sparrow]

What do u want from me diddy

[noble tangle]

oops

wrong image
here u go

[willow wharf]

You're gonna have to rate it now

[remote sparrow]

Like a solid 1/10, try again

[frozen flare]

https://youtu.be/r_qFzZHomPI?si=XiybGeSHylC7KFDa

Im still salty when wuwa flopped 1st anniversary

[willow wharf]

Mf you haven't even seen it

[remote sparrow]

EW WYM BUFFS NOOOOO

Keep miyabi above every single one of them

[supple smelt]

Ah yes gacha clickbait

[remote sparrow]

Its real

Zzz is so dang generous with currency

[low ferry]

And you know why that happened? Because of people were easily scammed by a bunch of freebies and fake sense of devs listened

They allowed Kuro to take the whole arm

[nova briar]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-cat-gif-6738008723368812023

[low ferry]

And just a bunch of bones were enough to silence the complaints

[heavy igloo]

Pheebi Chuubi

[remote sparrow]

Clip from December lol

[low ferry]

You give them one hand and they take the whole arm

[frozen flare]

Bro like how xiangli yao was free and no one knows about it

[willow wharf]

No you try again

[frozen flare]

And i just missed that event tho

[supple smelt]

And we have to note how prior to genshin’s 5th anniversary most of Hoyo’s anniversaries were also very short on rewards with only 10-20 pulls each

[low ferry]

And this is what hoang doesn't understand, Kuro success with WW has showed that it is very easy to trick prople

[remote sparrow]

Yeah now its lower, 0

[willow wharf]

Sybau

[low ferry]

It has showed that these type of gacha models are very successful

[remote sparrow]

Good boy

[willow wharf]

You blind

[supple smelt]

And yet after genshin’s 1st anniversary no one really complains about them because they just get accustomed to small anniversary rewards

[nova briar]

Can we not have phonk, on everything

[low ferry]

People have been complaining about Genshin anni for years

[willow wharf]

Who asked mf?

[willow wharf]

This you?

[remote sparrow]

Its like they groomed the players

[regal holly]

Got the green bard

[low ferry]

Literally the Genshin could never started with HSR

[frozen flare]

Bro i got the bootleg sephiroth IN THIS TIME OF ANNIVERSARY RUN?

IM GONNA COMMIT BOMB

[remote sparrow]

Womp womp

[regal holly]

Just gamble better

[regal holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209184823307010129/1372939917780451499/teska1567_-_19232404098466943561.gif

[remote sparrow]

Shoot straight in the head and gouge those eyes out

[supple smelt]

When WuWa does it the fandom was so enraged by the small amount of anniversary rewards that they forgot that that small amounts of rewards was still more than what hoyo has to show prior to genshin 5.0

[regal holly]

Nah I might aswell buff the sht out of cart's dmg

[remote sparrow]

Im pulling for her all for the sake of hating on hsr saber

[low ferry]

It's like comparing garbage

Just because someone has done worse, it doesn't mean you are justified to do the same

[remote sparrow]

They couldn't keep the flow of being generous and they were giving hella stuff before anniversary which made the anniversary disappointing

Noob

[low ferry]

They didn't need that

They had already brainwashed their playerbase

[remote sparrow]

Yall both wrong im correct 💯

[nova briar]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[low ferry]

So it was not necessary anymore, hence why when they threw the bones they shut up

[frozen flare]

Yeah not fair for people like me during the time of sk debut, i have gut feeling they manage to stop giving shi

[low ferry]

Until you have people like hoang defending the big corporate, this will always happen

[frozen flare]

I never got free pulls on mails tho (beside newbie of course)

[remote sparrow]

I was so glad on wuwa release that a lot of players had weaker devices, its like riding a wave vro, i never lagged or crashed and got free stuff

[remote sparrow]

What is he defending

[frozen flare]

Bro rip for people quit during launch tho cos their device cant handle it

[remote sparrow]

Yeah kinda unoptimized i had to use a phone cooler

[low ferry]

It is important to understand that these gacha companies, no matter how much you love and bootlick them, they only care about money

They will only give you stuff, only when it is necessary

[nova briar]

It's like we never supposed to play these game...

[remote sparrow]

Yesss play ur life go to the casino mmmmm yess

More dopamine

[supple smelt]

Nothing

[remote sparrow]

More fun more money

[remote sparrow]

Defend my left nut he complaining cuz hes smaller

[nova briar]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[supple smelt]

Also if the game is more F2P friendly then players would be more willing to pay because they knew the game will actually respect their purchase well instead of just kicking them in the face

[low ferry]

Yes, so if WW is the most generous game ever made why it isn't at the top of the revenue charts?

[frozen flare]

[low ferry]

Why isn't PGR as well?

[frozen flare]

Ahh hell nahh we flamin solon now huh

[remote sparrow]

Zzz is f2p, i have vivian miyabi(m1) Jane astra and caesar all with sig

[low ferry]

You have been moving the goal post since we started this

[remote sparrow]

I quit a lot between these character releases so i dont have other stuffs

[supple smelt]

Because the 25% of players that actually pay for the game is directly proportional to the game’s playerbase as a whole

[frozen flare]

Um what pgr 1st anniversary have?

[low ferry]

So WW playerbase is small?

[supple smelt]

Nier automata collab

[frozen flare]

Wait wha

[supple smelt]

https://news.qoo-app.com/en/post/106806/punishing-gray-raven-1-year

[frozen flare]

Oh yeah atleast it happened during 1st anniversary

Meanwhile wuwa just announce cyberpunk collab but it so soon

some people wont even remember it

[snow rover]

Now that they did it again with ZZZ 2.0 anniv rewards, I'm wondering how long it will last

[low ferry]

Until they consolidate a fanbase

But with ZZZ it may never happen

[green dust]

https://fixupx.com/BERETTATTATTA/status/1923314109996577023

ﾍﾞﾚｯﾀｯﾀｯﾀ (@BERETTATTATTA)

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FixupX · May 16, 2025, 9:46 AM

[snow rover]

Yup
2 years later, powercreep and hp inflation will be back again lol

[green dust]

nice, tactical cap

[remote sparrow]

What does this mean

[remote sparrow]

Cope harder lil bro

Arcane odyssey > runeslayers

[snow rover]

Bruh I used to be an genshin and hsr until I dropped it so...

[green dust]

AO mentioned

what's your main build ingame?

[remote sparrow]

I dont even remember

[snow rover]

Like I will😂

[remote sparrow]

I think lightning and some fist style which i dont remember

[green dust]

so warlock

[remote sparrow]

What warlock

[green dust]

Sailor Fist i assume?

[remote sparrow]

Maybe

I dont remember but its not boxing

That game is so funny, me and my friend did max cargos till max then we finally did the story

[green dust]

the only good synergy with lightning as a warlock could only be Sailor's

unless you used another

[remote sparrow]

Yeah probably that

[green dust]

Full Release coming soon

[remote sparrow]

I made a second slot it had the energy thing, i forgot what its called

Quantum or some bs

[green dust]

spirit energy?

[remote sparrow]

I dunno

Oh plasma i think

[green dust]

oh

[remote sparrow]

the spells dissolve underwater

[green dust]

you could clearly see which file is my main

[remote sparrow]

I didnt have any chance to play ever since dark sea released, i played it during vacation and i used my cousins pc, my laptop cant handle it so cant rlly do anything

[remote sparrow]

Fire

[green dust]

i'm waiting for Full Release so i could get one of the two new Fighting Styles for my main file while also exploring Skyhall

[snow rover]

Other than that I still enjoy ZZZ for the story and I barely touch the endgame content with confusing the UI is.

[snow rover]

I'm not lying, I was used in genshin and HSR Ui but ZZZ....idk what to tell💁

Maybe I still need to adapt on it

[rough moat]

Just enjoy the game
Take a chill pill

[oak ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWO2mTVVo3Q

Chaconne-ception!

[silent seal]

what in the arcane oddysey!?

[green dust]

ANOTHER ONE?

LMFAOOOOO

[silent seal]

oh yes, ive played every arcane games vetex has ever made

including his first fighting magic game

[green dust]

i'm waiting for Skyhall release so i can get my hands on the new Powder Fist (i run size warlord )

[silent seal]

I run mage and warrior, i was an ex-conjurer on main file lol

I switched from conj to warrior because I wanted to try out sunken gear when the level cap increases

mages are also cooking in the next update lol

I've been wanting to get my hands on prometheus acrimony so I can hop back on conj cuz this clip (hold on)

[green dust]

i gotta get my hands on the new technique scroll asw, esp the Jab skill

[green dust]

rate build lmao

[silent seal]

thats actually pretty good

However u can up that by increases sum of ur stats in exchange for like +1 or +2 insanity

insanity 3 doesnt have that much drawback lol

[green dust]

i'm considering adding an extra essence in

[silent seal]

which?

why not try adding an atlantean essence on that sunken of urs

[buoyant valley]

hsr npc becomes playable

[silent seal]

Although, that calvus crown would also do nice if embedded with essence lol

[wicked sedge]

I think I said this before but something just seems off about Lancer in HSR.

I can't pin it but there's just something... wrong.

[buoyant valley]

Lancer is in hsr too?

[green dust]

pretty sure it'd add attack speed with this much stat present lmao

[buoyant valley]

They fumbled Archer's design and skill animation lol

[wicked sedge]

Mb it is Archer.

You see I don't care enough to remember because I think they're both mid.

[buoyant valley]

bet they didnt put enough care on him bc he's free

[silent seal]

its sad that theyre removing agil functionality on pvp soon

[green dust]

and instead we get aimbot

(agility is being reworked into accuracy)

[wicked sedge]

Artoria would be better off if they just threw the history into it and pulled this off as a costume.
https://x.com/0mmmmm7777777/status/1921128921455603850

𝙈⁷ (@0mmmmm7777777)

Knight King

X · May 10, 2025, 9:03 AM

[silent seal]

god once I get my new laptop, I swear im hopping back on AO

[wicked sedge]

Man, I love practical armor.

[green dust]

or at least be as armored as Argenti