#📨・general-help
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What if I am
no dont interrupt them

half of you typing
Alright. My bad for being dumb. Just let things cool down yknow?

Now they don't
anything else?



Who dalao?
Not me
Same i noob

When dalao
Ori lao


Never. i tho casul
Dont care
Stupid
Cant think outside the box
And every high score i had, by pure luck


Probably because most of the manual mission is done already
Cuz less event
not going for nirv ranks is insane to me given how strong they are
the real question is if we'll get more vouchers or not to support these new free units
I mean i not really think i can in time
I like had 3months to play
however i doubt kuro would be generous enough to do that
Legs
why are there so many gifs of her mid coating

This patch is dry
Sad

but i heard kuso so generous

not even bp is enough
rc to voucher convert when

its called gacha pulls
Wtf that robbery
That's insanely dry tf
Yea
Nirvatia ain't seeing that SSS0 anyday

time to do roguelikes
I really don't understand when people say this game is not generous. like sure it could more generous but that goes for every other gacha out there. I guess it comes down to the questionable choices the developers make sometimes
Till SS3 she seems stable
Then you see SSS0, on paper doesn't sound much but in gameplay it's heaven and hell difference
This game is leagues more generous tbf
Except we pay with our sanity and Hypertune mats

someone used free ss0 as an argument on twita 
Right now
you just cant argue with casuals
i hope its a right channel to post it but i just found a problem and idk what to do with it 😭
i already tried to restart the game but it happened again...
#📨・tech-support you go
I can't really grasp full SS0 damage for nihil anymore
thanks!

That's a cool visual bug damn
real
I wanna build her so bad rn
Wanna test out the full power of Nihil team

then build play ur zaza
Not rn
i also not touching her, before i sss her
SS3 is good point
ss3 to weird to me comper to sss in general
SSS0 is busted for damage if you are F2P
Her SSS0 damage is actually impressive
Too bad
My Ishmael does nearly same
Just 1 bar less than SSS0 Nirvatia


sorry for not living in pgr 
idk what to tell you, go play hoyo games if you want to live in a nightmare. 160 pulls to guarantee a character, and barely enough time in a patch to get that amount
then you still need the character's weapon which is what was it? 60 or 80 pulls?
You are a fossil
at sss3 nirv deals the most damage of any unit of mine i think with the exception of bianca

outdoing s+ vera by a lot
not even talking about constellations or resonances atp just getting to play the game 
oh that wasnt about u lol
WAIT FR?
the free ss0 guy on twitter i meant
HOLY
i beliave in magma
have u seen the vid i sent of her dmg

I wasn't in channel so nope
phat whel
excuse me then but this was literally a copy pasta of my message #📨・general-help message
idk lol
yes that part was your message however if you read just a little bit up from what i said
LMAO
Yea I forgot how busted SSS0 also is
SSS3 should be even more busted
well you were mocking me all the way until the twitter message
"kuso so generous"

tag you're it @north peak

kuso generous
how far magmadud fell, once he was respected member of the society.. and then he moved to global
naturally
Can i fodder alphas sig
no what if she gets another leap
||tbf better that than becoming another dumbass who quit on wanshi patch and cried how qu veri hard to plei||
Is that a yes
of course
yes
instead i kiwi on vonnegut patch
Should i fodder it on the new char or teddy first
how much RC is "not f2p", cause my recharge is at 1100
and dont ask me how many were wasted on intel but mostly monthly bc passes
any rc
like

nirv is more valuable than teddy so nirv
above 10k is when u stop being f2p

just say you spent all your rc on skins
then f2p
i own like 3 skins
ishmael's skin was too good what was i supposed to do
1100 rc 3 skins
sounds about right
i didnt buy it with rc but i havent bought anything in over a year
sounds f2p enough
Man I wished Nirvatia had the ability to convert something
She's the only Nihil unit without unique class

it should have been vonnegut
So true
I really hope he becomes playable
1 RC
skem
I'm worried about Nihil's future imo
from the moment you're eligible to claim lotus skin and CW skin, you're deemed as filthy whale in this game
Will they powercreep Luna? Still understandable if they do
gin trolling dw
But powercreep Ishmael? When she still gets buffs for the observer class
nihil has a good future as long as ish gets leap
Ish has to get continuous overhauls everytime a major meta overhaul happens

Luna can get powercrept cuz her class ain't working anymore
Yea
But they have to leap her everytime then
Luna's class gimmick is now useless
Lol
well not really there will likely be a time when she does go
maybe in favour of a new frame or someone else who knows
But they'll have to get us another observer then heh
plz no
Luna feels good though
shes far too rigid
I want the new alpha to be powercrept right now
locked cottie locked 2rota

shes holding the team back from zaza
I mean one unit atleast will be locked to a set
Always been the case no?

how poetic would it be for sister to powercreep sister KohaNodders
Is nirvaria a dps
yes
So i build bulkagkov?
we dont know her build
What
Nothing defined, since there's no content to test
So far the dalaos have been testing in the gardener dummy
Ok how about teddy
4 sig 4 Chen
Depends on team
ew, magmadud drunk again
Uh what's her yeam
Ice or gaydiance
What's her sig
joanna

Signa 
nirv's sig mem is so lackluster
barcelo you dum fcks
4 joanna 4 chen
It's actually not
adolphe 
Gives 3 red orbs on first ult 1 after swap
Also damage buff
Thanks guys
Its that that allows her to completely fill the bar with only 1 red ping in Magma showcase or is it an SSS thing?
SSS thing
SSS0 buff
I see
For Nirvatia i noticed that she mostly Yellow and Ult dmg related im now thinking She i focus On her ult dmg oriented yel Orb dmg
Dv , enis , gunv on dirge
?
Wait DV 2 and Gunv 2 and Enis 4?
i actually have DV 6...
Im runing 4 Enis and 2 Gun but Gun is only if shes a que bot for the wxtra dmg fo Lun and Ish
Well i have her as QTE bot
But DV i feel like is more dmg focused
I may or may not switch to active the amp passive
8 cottie
Btw is 6x DV worth? The cd removal
Yeah Flock passive only happens if all 3 are nihil which always should be to get the 2x

flock passive?
Yeah
her bird?
Nah her passive for extra dmg
No, its in her kit
Ahhhh
Flock
If all members are Nihil characters, the Void Collapse effect applied by Dirge is further enhanced by 15%.
I still didnt get the pet yet
builds not out yet
eh , im putting her on QTE bot duty
putting the highest dealing chara in the game on qte 
Yea

Yeah Flock is mixed in with Deathbreak
Boom QTE Bot duty

30% since sig
Yeah
atk crit + ba

For me it would be YEL Orb and Sig but thats me for DMG wise

Shes kinda like um idk Vera
Well i have her on support duty ...
Is she?
She's main DPS yea
Support Um anything that heals i guess or boost that dmg for qte bot duty
vera but shes not a backloaded monster
True
Yeah if she gonna be Main dps Sig and Yel orb but bot duty Eh class and 15 atk
and your team invest
Eh for me she can run boths ways
Dps and sup
How so?
why cant i recycle anything
Dps is Her Memory and 4 or 2 other Memory that help as dps
And qte would Gun 4 or DV 4
Or 8 DV
8 dv
8 DV?
6 dv
Ah 😮💨
But i do see where peopl get the Qte bot bc of Deathbreak mixed in with Flock give abt 35% combind then Her class adds 10% atk and 10 Elemental DMG Bouns
When switch out from her
i am no expert, but
sub SSS its support nirv, double rot luna, double rot ish, single rot nirv
SSS though it might be triple luna, triple nirv (i dont have sss yet + no wz), but ishmael tank cant use guin so like, 4x dv, eins + gloria? 4x guin on nirv? she doesnt need 2pc cottie?
but my luna and ish are both ss3 so whatever
Deathbreak give Base dmg by 50% no?
watch this all be worth like 500k points next week and im not going to care
Bit the 35% nihil dmg increase is only 8 secs which if one know to play wit lag time absoulte mosnter of a qte
I guess i will just run
Nope 20
Deathbreak
Allied units healed by Nirvatia gain a boost. If all members are Nihil characters, they gain an additional Flock effect. When casting Raven Ritual, Fatal Kiss, or Hanging Phantom, Nirvatia immediately heals herself for HP equal to 10% of her ATK.
- Allied units healed by Nirvatia gain a Void Collapse effect, which increases Nihil DMG by 20% for 8s. Duration resets every time it is triggered
Flock
If all members are Nihil characters, the Void Collapse effect applied by Dirge is further enhanced by 15%.
4 DV , 2 gun , 2 enis
I i as seem more like qte dmg bot if luna and Ishmael are main dps
Am i blind?
My luna and ish are my dps , also i think i just got luna to SS3
Its in her core passive
Nah you good
Its 15%
no argue about it
6* weapon makes it 30%
Imma try to see if she stays in her 2nd uñt form if o e tags out and in then it wouñd make sense for a qte bot
it dose , i thought number would change if weapon is on
Yeah or more
do whatever just probably dont hyper tune
6 dv useless without sss breaker
Dam
its not like theres any content to use nirvatia on this week
Isn't 6 DV a 333 thing?
Ish work as breaker but , i think she is SS
i think its new , the 6 piece remove the cd of memory
So is true if shes in her first phase of her ult she stays in that form tag out and in so dmg as a qte would be big
Yeah so we need a setup to remove qte cool down that way one can pop it 2 in one go
I assume going core wouldnt really buff my dmg correct?
b-but 7s gundam ppc 
It would if you start with her then tag out to dps
malding ppc of all things 
You get 10% dmg and Elemental dmg
Start with her as full rotation, sig and orbs and all?
just as pointless as wz 
as opposed to the maybe 2-3 people fighting over top 2 spots in hero
Start wit her then then get to her first ult phase then rag out

I feel that way you get more dmg out of it
what happen if i go , 3 core and 3 class ? (Rest is atk 15 ofc)
Core maybe 6 if it only up 5% then that means you get 45% exta dmg for 8 secs from her qte
Class would be nice too but i think it only goes up 5% max for both
all this discussion to probably be nonsense when wz actually comes
If you go Core Flock would be 20%
Void Collapse effect, which increases Nihil DMG by 25% for 10
Probably idk
I dont care

Bro wz is fun but only for whales
Im a baby whale still
This game is not fun
I literary wanna build her and forget she ever exist

Hmmm
More like torturing
lets all play honkhonk pimpact 3d
Thank god i dont care about ppc or wz
If its full 6 core
@lime oriole this is totally you, right? 
not me
me tw
how big do you think nirvatia's honkers are
Smaller than Ayla's
wut a pointless bracket, time to one tap turu 
Split nice too
but this part depends if you want more dmg on qte or tag in or out
well both would work
But class would be good bc if you run memory set that kills off cool down you get 2x dmg sort of
From qte
since switching cd could kill time for me yet i want both buffs for first tag out and later on rotation
So if i stay on DV6 and go full class is better
Yeah bc kills.off CD and pop qte 1 then pop qte 2 whinin the same 2 secs
Which timer rest
Duration resets every time it is triggered.
But dmg not sure if it stacks
But it would be like only 1 probaly depends how long you stay on rotation
It doesn't stack but the boost from all construst on field active it whenever it happens
thats just regular 4p dv
Luna hold dodge , go into ult , 2 pings , QTE , ult ,
If doesnt staxk yesh
Switch to ish , and uh well im not so well with ish tbh
Yeah pretty thats what happens when i play it she tends to pop qte twice
But if the dmg dowsnt stack the core would good too but its probably 5% increase
In Flock and Deathbreak
I sent this like 2 days ago
But this and idea of her sig and memory together.
Okay From what i Gathered
Her Memory 4 Piece Boost
Well 10% Nihil DMG (Obviously)
Fatal Kiss Which Is Her First ULT Phase (?) By Extra DMG By 50%
Deaths promise Which is Her Yellow Orb
By 50% and Gains 3 Red Obs After Entering Battle or Taging in ?
Then Her Signature Weapon Boost
Her ATK By 10% (HUGE)
Flock Effect Is (15%) (2X Doubled) Which is part of Her Core Passive
Hanging Phantom (Yellow Orb) Extra DMG by 100% (Eh)
Soooo
10% atk is huge but 100% yellow is eh?
Now take all this info
If one starts with her until shes in her 1st phase of her ult which Fatal Kiss she get 50% Extra dmg
Tag out
10% ATK and 10% Elemental DMG Bonus
Pop her QTE Deathbreak get 20% then Flock is 30% since its Doubled in total you get 50% dmg for 8 secs
If im not wrong thats how she works
@kind smelt I think i rather go with Sustain dmg boost
because im gonna tag off her the moment i see the amp dmg buff
I tried to figure out what these 2 talking about, but gave up a long time ago 
Whats the ideal build for Nirvatia I have her Luna and Ishmael at S
None atm
as long as trashmael doesnt see daylight im willing to do anything
i think i understand but im not clarifying anything i am enjoying it
Paking autocorrect
on a different note, Lux gaming 

she managed to take down 1, and I mean, one, a single enemy in 2 whole minutes 
So Shes META
ate and left no hp
100% health infinite
Legend Lightning (Liv lux) 76 million score
Cant believe liv can solo nearly to 100m

@pearl laurel youre gonna piss your pants at the score in gonna get
oi, no cheating! 
Black cards forever well spent(ignore the freebie we got for Luna)
where brick sonata

that would complete the bricc collection with lingerie "wedding" and tsubricci there
cause stoopid
Good question 
same reason they sit on these coatings, they like to waste 
Just don’t have it
And
I need Ishmael wedding coating to come back
you satisfied now you tourist?
nahh, das is cheating, timestop aboose 
The brick trinity
Nirvatia: Dirge of farel from the Europe server of Punishing: Gray Raven.
idk what is considered wedding
nah this patch spider is better
me lux build better
https://huaxu.app/eu/players/14758101/characters/1031002
Liv: Lux of Sixth from the Europe server of Punishing: Gray Raven.
Numberlao id leaked
sss+ wehl

The guy who recommended classless ish?

im assuming the new character is just slotted into the 3rd slot for the Nihil team right?
havent looked into anything beforehand, so was surprised to log in to new Nihil unit that was also free
we will know for sure next nihil wz
How do I build my nirvatia? And which units should I be using along with her
we will know next wz
nihil wz*
we can make an educated guess that ishmael might actually be out of the team if below SSS rank...
i guess its prob worth pulling for her anyways since it eventually gives u her weapon for free?
what
unless im blind on what the bonus thing is
what gives you her weapon for free?
no no dont pull nirvatia
you get her weapon free from service shop already
- Get a copy of nirvatia from her affection story
- Get 50x shards, weapon, cub from service shop
Which channel🥲
ok ill just get it from service shop. But I was referring to the bonuses it says u get after a certain number of pulls in the R&D section
thats for nirvatia only
ignore
and its generally not worth it unless you're whaling for SSS+
yeah nirvatia weapon and cub i meant
you can get those from service shop already so no point
i didnt notice they were in the shop so i assumed it was pull for a copy and get her weapon+cub along the way
ah nope
globlul cant read
Nah he said he hasnt looked into anything beforehand so understandable
i play a bunch of different gachas and I try keep up with their news
so for some i decided to not look at whats coming up for my own sanity
and its a nice surprise when i log in sometimes
Either Nanami or Ishmael, wait for next week for confirmation
Chest selection, lucia or ish?
I have nihil and dark dps with luna and bianca, still worth going for ishmael?
Lightling i only have the free crimson weave
Dont have fire dps, is it worth to pick pyroath?
Sorry im new
bianca isnt dps
attacker ≠ dps
Ishmael is the highest choice, very versatile, can be either tank, breaker or amplifier and she can adapt to any energy except physical, basically she's the goat
And it is wise to focus on one energy at a time
Except she's not meta in any of these teams except lightning and nihil, maybe not even nihil

She needs a leap that increases her damage and give her permanent shred field
Maybe she will be leaped, would be cool anyway, but Hanying got skipped for some reason, same with Qu
And other characters so at this point we dont know whom will be leaped
what do we use for nirvatia memory?
Nothing
Its not certain yet
Cause there is no nihil warzone to test
oh thank you

What 2 resonance Geiravor use??? I’m running her with Hervor and Cottie
DPS nirvatia or support
correct me if wrong but I saw a text where it said one can sss nirvatia without spending pulls, is that true?
kk tysm
it is, provided you have enuff vouchers/ppc skullz to do so
Yes
Theres a guide for it in the pins and on youtube
Any atk
Signature
Who should i choose here?
Vera
Vera
Choose discord
Thanks
Screw hanying

Yeh
Her right?
Zamn whel
Its that Vera
Do NOT choose the dragon on th left
1 stack all in my case
2.3 teddy whale
Why?
Its quite bad unit
2s teddy should kill 1 stack knight and chaos, 2 stack on hell
Only good thing is boba
My teddy no reso
Guess we’ll see
Spent half hour tryna find a new profile pic


Where the Selena fan arts at bruh
Is she good?
Yes, but she's free
Where?
Do her affection story
Yeah
Click in her art at the main menu
This one?
Found a lot in Pinterest
Bruh
Is she like good?
Twitter you wont find anything
Yep, main nihil DPS
Will she work with other elements?
One of the strongest units in the game
Not any better than any other off element amp
Is she? I thought she was an amplifier?
By design, nop. But if she's a QTE bot, she can work partly due to being an amp with access to QTE sets
Class doesn’t mean it’s support
Are you in Selena church?
Amp can be main dps
Amplifiers can be DPS.
Attacker ≠ DPS
Pretty sure they have tons of Selena
Classes mean nothing in this game for damage
Ye
But she's not the best nihil dps
I’ll go check that too
She is
Nirv is best Nihil dps ye
She deals the most raw damage out of the 3
Is she? I thought the girl on the rerun banner was
Who
She's the weakest of the 3
The Goated One


She was the dps when she came out, but then Oblivion got a leap and outdamaged her
Now Nirv is here and outdamages both of em
Ahh ok most tier list says shes pretty good
Ish is the backbone of the team I don’t wanna hear it
Tierlists dont work in this game
Luna is
Let it go unc
Not anymore
Check the faq for meta teams
Ish is classless without Luna regardless if Nirv is in the team or not
That's what you should follow

When it updates ofc
Just need any other attacker and she still works
Idk rossetta seem pretty strong, clunky to play though
That attacker is dead weight though
Now if ur low invest it was cooked to begin with
She'll do little to no damage on content that isn't dark 
Isn't that most units? Isn't she supposed to be the only breaker currently?
Hence why tierlists dont work in this game
So is off element tank nowadays too they just provide shred
Each unit is meant to be played for different teams covering elements
Didn’t nuke score like 20 mil on ts
Shhhh, newbies dont need to know trueslop
Tierlists dont apply in this game, no one unit is better than another per se, it depends on their dps output, element, investment level, and class, among other things
Luna was the backbone when void needed to steal units to be complete but she’s served her purpose and now she’s the biggest fraud of the team

The attacker is providing zero util whatsoever
I'm pretty sure there's a hyper carry unit. Isn't the only limited banner a hyper carry?
Locked cottie locked 2ult she is really the one holding void back
At least second amp can use Guin/heal mems and and second tank provides extra shred and CD reduc
Attacker is doing NOTHING
I got jump scared
What second amp lol
Oh wait it’s birthday thing
Excuse me?
No not really
Get that trash outta here
Check who you've set as assistant and head assistant by clicking at the construct in the menu
I would so much rather have Luna out the team than ish out the team and that’s not just bias that’s how dumb lunas restrictions are

There’s zero flexibility in how she could ever work it’s so 
Ishmael is the one who's restricted to having an attacker in the team for her class to even function tho
Luna can use literally any tank breaker support or amp
The only story where I don’t skip
And how many use cases does she still have because of it
You need extra units for that
Ish is all inclusive
Wdym
If kuro decides to replace ish over luna something is wrong
that would be aweome 
Lol

So am I
Inb4 after next week testing, nihil still uses both Luna and Ishmael
thou me mad at loona today, cuz even at sss, she can't drop hell gundam without that awful hold dodge rota 
Luna can’t do anything
The nihil team currently does not function without her
that could help, so time to fund me 
What
And I guess disruption team too since that's now a thing
Yeah the nihil team does not function optimally without all three units
nu uh, you gib those fundings to me 

We're literally debating rn if non-SSS Ish should stay in the team or if she kicks the bucket to SSS Epitaph though
I know
my controller dont work on story (iphone) any fix?
Luna can and has been used just as much as Ish in WZ if not arguably more
Low invest is a joke

That applies to every team though
Indeed it does
sss+ or 🚮
You can't just dismiss something because it doesn't apply to best invests
What's her memory set?
We're still testing stuff out though
Oh
Yea because we're synced with CN we're testing stuff out the same time they are, builds are not finalized on Day1 anymore
I don’t know what point this is meant to prove either
The recommendation should work for now right?
Bruh I got no elemental amps this week
That she's the glue of her team now and the glue of other teams before
Nvidia gotta thug it out at lvl 1
Oh yes she was the glue before
Kuro recommendations are not to be trusted, just wait until the testers finish working the numbers
Now she is ready to go
Nirvatia doesn't change anything though
Nihil is not working without Luna
Could you use a different attacker w Ish+Nirv? Technically yes but like why when there's no benefit
Can I be clear in saying that when I say this I mean I want a better version of Luna
She is the weak link
The team could be so good if it were allowed more freedom
What should be the memories if I want to use nanami as main dps.
Will luna and vera be just qte bot?
What should be the rotation if not?
It would probably be better for you to run CW for the time being since you don't have signature weapon on Nanami to be able to use her as a lightning solo properly
Do I use her instead of luna?
Yes CW Feral Nanami for the time being until you can gear your Nanami more and be able to drop CW and Feral
Alright thank you
We need Luna kicked out just like that true
This Deja Vu...
Magama complained about Luna, someone asked about Lightning team and Myrcle explained
I have seen this scene before I swear
I understand the sentiment but I feel like the frustration is misplaced
Overtime working must have fried my brain
I feel like you need to fix the nihil team entirely tbh
I'll get a weap selector later, is nanami sig the best? I read before here that luna sig is the best value for that
The easiest way to do this is getting a better unit that isn’t so restrictive
Also just because a character has only one specific intended manner of use due to her class doesn't mean the character is actually restrictive in her use cases, if that makes sense
There's no Nanami Sig in that selector otherwise it wohld be the best
Which might I add doesn’t need to be an annihilator anymore
What I mean by that
It's gonna be the next Luna bts
Ok ok ty
Void Attacker Luna
Luna is meant to convert buffs whenever she is used in any team, she only has that one fundamental use. But that doesn't make her use case scenarios restrictive
Back to being a filthy attacker instead of the awesome Annihilator
I would take that I don’t hate Luna I hate oblivion
Nirv really brought out her issues
Nah I do like that Fraudmael got exposed by Nvidia
This fraud has been glazed far too much
I’m afraid I look at things at the equal invest angle
If Ishmael wasn't restricted to having an attacker in the team she would be been 1000x times better, but they placed that stupid restriction for some reason
Like I said earlier low and mixed invest is just a joke in this game
Blame kuro for that
So.. sss?
Realistically this is how most of us would look like
That’s where basic human rights begin
Kuro has made stupid design decisions and will continue to do so because they dont play there own game
You cant win against stupid
Kusogames make the rules
We are just their victims, continue suffering as we keep playing longer
Where’s 3s rose
Ish would probably be better if she was just a regular tank or amp instead of Obersver
She has so many unique mechanics that work to her advantage, but the one thing that was made to widen her scope ironically became the thing that restricted her potential
Absolutely not
Again low invest doesn’t really have rights
But the rank passives are just too valuable
Unc about to die anyway
And what are you doing with that statement
Ish is definitively better with observer at least even at lower ranks
All I see is updating numbers with meta
That you're limiting your scope in seeing how things could work because they are "not ideal invest"
Funny enough yes it's her own class nerfing her lol lol
Little reason ever why you would need her to be stuck
No youre just also dismissing 3s to fit your narrative
I can say even for pretty much all invests having updating numbers is a good thing
And with ss3 even, value jumps exponentially
No?
I’m sure we can all agree ss3 is not too unrealistic
I fail to see in most scenarios why you wouldn’t want observer over tank or amp
Because in nihil it gives you more options to work with
Are you ever gonna need these options when the best in slots are so readily available
Like her primary purpose with this was to slot into other teams, but update in nihil
I’m mostly concerned about what’s happening within the nihil team
In theory yes, but in practice thought she doesn't do a good job slotting, Ish is only better if it's not a dps loss
And no matter how I slice it Luna comes out on the bottom
Which is why so far she's only even been slotted into lightning cause Feral is old dust
Even having the ability to do that is enough, she was never clearly intended to be best in slot in other teams
It’s a placeholder
And especially useful for newer players
We said on release this doesn’t really do much for people who have established accounts
But having those updating numbers was crucial
Now she’s breaker as she should be
Ok I dont think Im wording this properly
And none of it would ever be possible with static tank or amp
English is my only language yet I cant fcking speak it
English is hard most people would agree
My brains blanking idk how to put this anymore
Fck me stupid ass brain
We need a mediator
To declare a winner
ish fits into elemental teams just great if you dont happen to have those other frames at all
id rather have a subpar ish tank in half a dozen teams than spend any resources or currency on old tanks
The only actual time she performs to par tho in practice is in lightning compared to Feral
So great that all team she can slot in is Nihil & Lightning
We have better option everywhere else
Nanami
we just throw nanami into everything then
To summarise
Ish is most likely to be kicked off the team for low/mixed invest
Luna is holding back invested teams from performing as they should
Ish observer class has good and bad aspects
That’s all I got
im not gonna argue the finer points of "this frame is 2% better" but if i had to choose 1 frame, ish would be it
and i would save everything else for newer frames
I hope those are agreeable
Yes, you got it right bro
Agree with this no objection
not spend all my resources on old frames that get replaced before long, or 4 other tanks
i would of killed for ishmael's perks when i was a new player
Ish poisoned the mind of many players with her fraud ass "potential" class
i just had patch after patch of incomplete teams with A rank whoevers
Oh boy I need to be very precise with how I word this
It’s not even ishs fault
It’s kuros for making attackers absolutely awful
oh you know what
its tanks not being like real element specific anymore (anymore? dont ask how it used to be)
its all just -20% extra dmg
Ice: Two free units
Lightning: Replace a gen 2 woaw
Fire: Vera is god Uncle is better even at lower invest
Dark: Lilith free Ros is a god
Phys: Unusable
What is she filling for newbies again

In the case and argument of nihil specifically, Ishmael's class is a detriment to he space in the team (although it is not the main contributing factor as to why she's at risk of powercreep in the team at this moment, since she would get kicked for other reasons)
It may be a detriment to the team in certain cases with mixed invest
Not the main reason but it doesn't help her right now either
It is a boon to the team with sufficient invest
Y’all still talking about this lol
Well this is not exactly Ish fault if I'm gonna be real, this is just how it is when we have a free SSS Tank who got two selectors dedicated to him and a good leap
Good and bad I’m kinda over this now
Im not sure I would call it a boon, moreso it doesn't do anything to hinder the team
No it’s a direct upgrade thanks to the way it works

Ok now I understand your point of view better
*Not cause of this
You gotta remember that ish arrived quite a while ago
The state of the game looks very different now than it did back then
Slowly and surely yes there’s been free units and strong units have come and gone
You mean to say that Luna being the glue of the team is true but it sucks because the glue is inherently corrosive to the potential to the team, correct?
Yeah pretty much
Well ofc getting her back then would be fine, no unit is actually bad at launch except for Vero
feral and wata are the only 2 frames older than luna, shes like 2 years old isnt she
And it’s not like she’s a bad pick even now
Ok I think I can frame myself a little more clearly now hopefully
Sometime it's not about their age it's about their power level
Unc would die after Pyro for example because that's just how bad Attacker is
i just mean 2 years ago their design philosophy could of been a bit different
and luna might not fit as well as before then
Luna got a leap to keep up with time
Yet another example of how low and high invest live in different worlds
She's actually the best gen 3 "Attacker" right now
It all depends on perspective
I honestly don't think SSS Wata is high invest it's more like oldbie invest
From high invest perspective that is just wrong
For newbies they simply use the newest units
i dont have sss wata but i dont really prioritize SSS units
Yea
And don't backpull
Attacker have the least amount of utility to the team
But the manner in which Ish's class itself works only bolsters the issues of the attacker class itself since it requires to have one in the team to even function
Essentially, the glue (Luna) is arsenic, but Ishmael douses the arsenic with cyanide
luna's elemental harmonization thing is bad for nihil, because any element can fill in for tank, is what i think you're getting at
I can live with the idea of ish class only being bad because of attackers being bad because that is just how her dependency works
They didn't need to add that dependency factor though to begin with is the issue
They didn’t need to make Luna annihilator work the way it does either
But they did
It’s how it is
They never had to do all this nonsense but they did because they're Kusogames
We could go on and on about what kuro could have done but yup
Like who tf asked for Breaker
It’s just Kuro games
I would say Annihilator class being the way it is for Luna is justifiable for when she dropped (as she was the only nihil unit on debut)
But making Ishmael dependent on having her is not
Sure would’ve been nice for ice
call me crazy but i dont think nihil is necessarily going to be a commonly replaced element
I was just choosing Luna as a random example
Kuro just makes a lot of decisions that are Not Smart
thats why we have HORSE now cause their earlier models couldnt handle it
That’s true, the only way they could’ve remedied this is by releasing nirvatia and ish first LOL
Personally tho Kuro does things like 1000 times better than 99.9999% of other companies as far as PGR goes
Is that a real sentence
They call Kusogames 007
0 whale supported
0 balance
7 S rank in a row
thank god im not doing genshin dailies for a 50% after spending an hour every day playing
English not Englishing today
ew.. kuroslop
The balance part is fair
pgr needs to eos soon
wuwa too
Such is what happens when you don’t understand your own meta
All gacha needs to eos








