📨・general-help

[unique egret]

that sheet is editable by everyone who got the link

[old garnet]

So much memorization 😭

[craggy imp]

its not too bad

[old garnet]

But for every team

[craggy imp]

after like 1 or 2 runs youll get it

[old garnet]

Gonna be crazy

Ok ok bet that thank u

[craggy imp]

its just muscle memory for other teams

[old garnet]

Is plasma one of the harder ones

[craggy imp]

its the most intricate especially at SS

[gentle hawk]

Also fast hand

[old garnet]

Ahhh ok

Reset let’s go

[craggy imp]

welp time to mald

[gentle hawk]

Ye, reset is ur best friend

[craggy imp]

cya

[iron mason]

Plasma is the true reset simulator

[unique egret]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12AFvmShSrboDVi9OgzuC6Xb81YCqPixAZIaXrQALzD8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

there u go

dont ask why we dont have full list of other char rot too

[autumn juniper]

how do I know which one I should pick? I cant tell if I'm strong enough for 1.8m

[gentle hawk]

If u have phys, lightning and dark team u can try to go ult, yea dont expect too much tho

[autumn juniper]

I see, ty!

dang only got 300k for phys, save cancel for now i guess

[west jackal]

are they in the right places?

[wet bluff]

I ain't 1.8-ing the cradle for sure

[tropic hill]

should i roll who?

[craggy imp]

nanami startrail

[tropic hill]

🤓

[tropic hill]

huh

i'll show u my team

[craggy imp]

if you already have nanami then just pick pyroath

[tropic hill]

my team is bad sorry 🤓

[craggy imp]

so you dont have nanami

ok then just pick nanami startrail

[tropic hill]

my luck...

[brittle pewter]

normal

[indigo tiger]

What should I harmonize alisha weapon with?

[craggy imp]

davinci

[indigo tiger]

Okay 😔

[craggy imp]

for ppc phillip

[marble tinsel]

no other way to complete vera's arcade anima except pulling for an old out of meta S frame?

[lime oriole]

use the selector from this patch 🤑

[gentle hawk]

Yeah arcade need said chara if u want to do the the battle one

[marble tinsel]

and brick my account yeah sure

[lime oriole]

mmm bianca on glb

[brittle terrace]

[craggy imp]

WEEKLY RESETTTTTTTTTT

[brittle terrace]

YESSSSS

Ive been waiting

HEHEEEEE

[marble tinsel]

do you guys usually keep pulling and get random S class or wait for S class banner select reset

[midnight wasp]

yo what will happen to my simulation score coins if I don't use my coins then the patch ends? Will it stay?

[craggy imp]

it stays

[brittle terrace]

Oh fr? I didnt know💀

[craggy imp]

wat

[west jackal]

is ss3 geiravor a huge dps increase or nah

[lime oriole]

your account gets bricked by lcw

[autumn juniper]

am I better off just running a healer for the buff over another dps like astral?

[craggy imp]

lilith is gonna solo lilith anyways

just put another amp with 4guin

[lime oriole]

another amp

[autumn juniper]

guess Ill just add geiravor then, ty!

[brittle terrace]

That makes life easier

Who even is astral

Oh wata

Yeah lilith solo's like crazy

[west jackal]

which one do i give her

[craggy imp]

doesnt matter

[west jackal]

okay

[old garnet]

No dark team is killing me rn

[west jackal]

real 💔

[old garnet]

Ong

[somber smelt]

guys, what kind of time do it need for ulitmate zone pcc ? mine is bad but i am curious what do i need

[craggy imp]

like for this week

30s maximum

[somber smelt]

i am bad at typing

i mean the teams

[craggy imp]

oh

[somber smelt]

i hate myself

[craggy imp]

phys/lightning/dark

[somber smelt]

oh, so its still the same, i though we need affix team, i guess i just need to built my char better then, all my dps is 6000ish points

[worldly briar]

cradle knockback is annoying af

[subtle shale]

On pc client when I lock on , even if I move my mouse slightly the lock on is completely disabled, is there any way to fix it?

[unique egret]

camera mode? press y

[west jackal]

wait so do we have darkflow content in CN now from epitaphs leap

[proud jay]

no not yet
The darkflow team exists but it is extremely weak until cw gets replaced
So prob no darkflow content still

[brittle terrace]

Ik this is terrible either way but from liv lee and s0 sigless wata to replacing liv with sigless vera doubled the score

[unique egret]

this beta dont have darkflow wz?

[brittle terrace]

Vera goated

[proud jay]

havent seen anyone say that it does

[brittle terrace]

[craggy imp]

[unique egret]

no wonder ken said leap was mid

[west jackal]

cw will never be replaced 💔

[brittle terrace]

Shshhhhhhh

[craggy imp]

is that hero

[brittle terrace]

Stfu nerg

Its lee hyperreal and s0 sigless wata😭

[craggy imp]

just solo vera

wait nvm no vera sig smh

[brittle terrace]

Exactly

Vera sig doubles damage and allows 2 rot

So thats like 4x damage

Idk

[craggy imp]

thats not how her dmg works

[proud jay]

what are you talking about

[brittle terrace]

Nana and vera sig choosing is hard

[craggy imp]

[west jackal]

is it worth it to get resonance on veras sig

[brittle terrace]

Well obv but i mean generally

[craggy imp]

absolutely

[brittle terrace]

Ofc it is

R3 vera

[craggy imp]

if you used 2 of her qte's that means her ult gets 50% more dmg

and then 2nd rot doesnt get that effect

[brittle terrace]

Wait wha

[west jackal]

im guessing DLT should be my first priority?

[brittle terrace]

Yeah

[craggy imp]

yea

[west jackal]

okay ty

[brittle terrace]

Omg dark wz here we go again

[craggy imp]

man dark week

[worldly briar]

Jetavie > Laurel ong worth it hypertuning her bianca's a month away

[autumn juniper]

I seem to lack orbs on daemonissa even with dlt to solo, am I just doing her rotation wrong? She's ss3

[craggy imp]

wth

[lime oriole]

no thats normal

[craggy imp]

unless its wz then yea thats normal

[autumn juniper]

Is it different on wz? That's where im running out

[craggy imp]

no i thought it was ppc

[autumn juniper]

nah ppc is fine yea

[west jackal]

wait is there no way to fix it cause i also run out of orbs in wz

[unique egret]

its called playing swap

even zaza lilick also swap

[craggy imp]

lilith cant sustain her orbs

[brittle terrace]

Ikr its pain

[craggy imp]

eh its alright

[brittle terrace]

Also nerg that fire score was zero mald, i wanted to see the difference vera would make in my fire team

[craggy imp]

[brittle terrace]

I will mald soon but rn i just need the bc

[craggy imp]

im in legend this week for some reason

[brittle terrace]

OH SHI

NERGOAT

Teach me ur ways

[craggy imp]

funny because i didnt even mald last week

i kinda just wantapped and left it

[brittle terrace]

Damn

[west jackal]

oh

[brittle terrace]

Nah i have crazy skill issue tho

[brittle terrace]

Whos that

[craggy imp]

its like chpt 2 of the story

[west jackal]

jetavie

[autumn juniper]

should I go for SS pyroath or shukra or just wait for the new bianca to SS her instead?

(ppc shop)

[craggy imp]

SS pyroath

[autumn juniper]

i see, seemed pretty important for the 2 ult rot anyways. ty!

[hard elk]

whats this weeks war zonesss?

[unique egret]

dark duo, fire idk, phys/ts duo

[hard elk]

tyty

[brittle terrace]

Can never be bothered to mald ppc its eh

[craggy imp]

i heckin love ppc

[brittle terrace]

I like it but i prefer wz

All weekly modes are goated either way

For me ppc just feels short?

Nihil wz is torture tho-

[craggy imp]

idk i just like the repetitiveness of ppc

its quick and short and not as maldy as wz

[hard elk]

5 minute runs

[brittle terrace]

Nana or vera ;-;

[craggy imp]

both

3k bc thats pretty much 2 sigs

[brittle terrace]

Which first ugh

[brittle terrace]

With ur luck

[west jackal]

well both double their dps's so

[brittle terrace]

Ofc

[west jackal]

i think nanami first imo

[brittle terrace]

Thing is i 100% prefer vera but we have 4 lightning in 3 weeks and 2 fire in 3 weeks (wz and ppc)

And plasma aswell

[teal frigate]

should i all in my yellow tickets for vera or just save it for Walter?

[brittle terrace]

Ig nana is the answer😔

[brittle terrace]

Pls get vera

[west jackal]

girl who is walter 😭

[brittle terrace]

Dark bianca

[teal frigate]

sry i meant for another vera dupe

[west jackal]

oh

[brittle terrace]

Oh save

[craggy imp]

[teal frigate]

got it

[brittle terrace]

Unles ur spender

[craggy imp]

vera dupe not that good

[teal frigate]

aight aight

[brittle terrace]

Ig so

[craggy imp]

there are definitely better

[teal frigate]

SS3 vera aint good ?

[brittle terrace]

Better use on anni banner

[craggy imp]

there are better characters to ss3

[teal frigate]

got it, anni it is

[brittle terrace]

She is but as nerg said there are better

[craggy imp]

its top 6 in priority

[teal frigate]

got it

[cerulean anvil]

SS3 Priority List of Gacha-Only Units

1. Nanami: Startrail
2. Selena: Pianissimo
3. Lucia: Pyroath
4. Ishamael: Parhelion
5. Hanying: Solacetune
6. Vera: Geivaror

[west jackal]

ss3 tenebrion is 1. priority in terms of ss3

[teal frigate]

tenebrion

[brittle terrace]

Im at 29/30 for wep rip

[craggy imp]

[forest barn]

Woah the list is finally updated

[teal frigate]

hmm i guess ill just dump my yellow tix here

i do want SS3 nanaknight

[west jackal]

oh i completely forgot this existed 😭

i haven't done it yet

[teal frigate]

yea lol

guess ill do this in the meantime

[brittle terrace]

Ight nana should be good forever now

[brittle terrace]

Oh wow done a lot of cursed waves

[teal frigate]

kinda lazy honestly

[brittle terrace]

Are u missing any characters tho?

[brittle terrace]

I havent done any besides 30 levels of AT

[teal frigate]

the end game ones, only Qu shukra, but i cope with SSS Wanshi

[brittle terrace]

All ss?

Atleast

If so then yeah nana works

[west jackal]

the ice team rotation looks really scary

[craggy imp]

you havent seen ion

[brittle terrace]

Wanshi is ez af

[teal frigate]

yep

[brittle terrace]

Get nana then heh

[teal frigate]

wait till you see ion

yep2

[craggy imp]

ithinkibrokemyspacebar

uhoh

[west jackal]

😭

[worldly zealot]

Nice

[craggy imp]

imaldedtoohard

[worldly zealot]

Ctrl v space

[viral forum]

How to get high scores yall this is my huaxu:
https://huaxu.app/eu/players/16334670/characters

[worldly zealot]

[safe fossil]

Which upper memory resonance is better on Lucia ? I am confused

basic atk or atk

[old garnet]

Guys what’s the best plasma guide I’m struggling so much rn

[forest barn]

I totally forgot I was at 59/60 on standard banner and did a pull rip

[old garnet]

Rot so hard to learn

[craggy imp]

whatsyourinvestment

[old garnet]

Ss3 pyroath, ss nanami and daemonissa

Sig for pyroath and nanami

[craggy imp]

uhohidunnoaboutss3

[viral forum]

@craggy imp help me

[craggy imp]

justfollowthenotes

[old garnet]

What do you know abt then

[craggy imp]

iknowaboutSSrot

[viral forum]

Where is it?

[old garnet]

I mean what’s the ss rot some help is better than none

[brittle terrace]

Also nerg this will do better than s0 sigless wata right?

[old garnet]

Maybe I can figure out ss3 by myself from that 😭

[craggy imp]

SS and SS3 differs a lot

[old garnet]

Damn

[west jackal]

is it true qu NEEDS ss3 or is it just prefered

[brittle terrace]

Ss+dlt

[craggy imp]

@undone oxide wats ss3 ion rot

[terse depot]

Should I get domain deconstruction or DLT for Nanaknight

[craggy imp]

should

[west jackal]

get BLT

[brittle terrace]

Ight thx babes

[terse depot]

Now I'm hungry

[craggy imp]

DD for ion/lightning swap
DLT for solo

[terse depot]

Now I'm confused

[worldly zealot]

Omaga fixed space

[craggy imp]

[terse depot]

I don't feel like nanaknight has orb issues tho

[unique egret]

Yomm's vid

[craggy imp]

she does when soloing in wz

[brittle terrace]

Or both 🙂

[terse depot]

Why would I solo in wz?

[craggy imp]

if you dont have SSS cw its better to just solo nanami

[lavish schooner]

My Ishmael’s ending animation never matches her mouth movements, is it the same for everyone else?

I use Japanese

[brittle terrace]

Yep for me

[dusky fiber]

Same here

[undone oxide]

33555?

[terse depot]

I just got SS3 nanaknight from standard, idk what it does tho or if it's any good

[craggy imp]

they dont know what that means

[old garnet]

What’s yomm’s channel I can’t find

[lavish schooner]

Weird at least it’s not just me

[unique egret]

https://www.youtube.com/@volskyius/videos

[old garnet]

Thanks

[terse depot]

Is SS3 on nanaknight good?

[craggy imp]

very

[unique egret]

bcs mouth movement is for CN dub

[terse depot]

So I should get DLT?

[west jackal]

yes

[terse depot]

Oh ok

[west jackal]

actually it halves her dps so no

[craggy imp]

you can swap to DD for stuff like ppc/plasma wz

[lavish schooner]

That’s what I’d thought at first but I assumed they would’ve changed it to fit other languages

[west jackal]

you can swap for free?

[craggy imp]

yes

[terse depot]

Uh yeah

[west jackal]

oh...

[unique egret]

indie company, pardon kuso

[undone oxide]

https://youtu.be/M6ixH-LWPNw

[terse depot]

You only resonate once for the slot

Is SS3 worth getting on Lilith like at all?

Gotta use these skulls on something

[craggy imp]

for free it is

[terse depot]

Yeah for free

[craggy imp]

just use vouchers

[terse depot]

Why not use the skulls?

[craggy imp]

so you can save for other characters

[terse depot]

It's vergil next patch

You can't even use the skulls on him

[craggy imp]

do you not have anyone else S?

[terse depot]

Uh not on my current roster

[craggy imp]

then yea do it

[terse depot]

Except feral

[west jackal]

how long would it take to save for sss

[quick bronze]

30buks

[west jackal]

that doesn't seem too bad

[quick bronze]

only lilith tho since u get extra shards from doing her gacha

[cerulean anvil]

This character does not exist. Please try again.
You may be searching for a character with multiple frames as well.

[teal frigate]

oh she's not here yet i forgot

[old garnet]

Holy f I can’t do this

It’s too late

Maybe I’m not invested enough in my characters idk why I keep failing

[peak isle]

what is different Shakespeare and Shakespeare harmony

[craggy imp]

there isnt

[west jackal]

should i do it?

[peak isle]

is same thing ?

[brittle terrace]

Wait nana has to be leader to activate burn?

[terse depot]

What other options you have?

[craggy imp]

no

[brittle terrace]

YES.

[brittle terrace]

I have crazy skill issue then

[west jackal]

crimson weave or a second resonance on nana

[brittle terrace]

Im doing the hold orb but it aint activating burn😭

[terse depot]

Uh then it's probably fine

[craggy imp]

because you need to select her affix

[elfin bramble]

Which lower resonance should i choose for lilith?

[craggy imp]

ult for main dps
class for support

[brittle terrace]

Mb im re/arded

[craggy imp]

i know

[teal frigate]

btw, is discord a tank or attacker?

[craggy imp]

attacker

[ivory ermine]

Attacker

[teal frigate]

oh, okok

[terse depot]

Physical attacker is craaazy though

[craggy imp]

phys/TS

[teal frigate]

i wish she's a tank just for true slash

her rotation is faster than hanying

[terse depot]

Selena for phys, Vergil for TS. Same point still stands.

[craggy imp]

a lot of ppl are gonna be skipping dmc tho

if shes somehow okayish she could work as a cope ts dps

[teal frigate]

im just gonna pull vergil

sorry dante

[terse depot]

But she doesn't have time stop right?

[craggy imp]

she does

her ult2 has tlc

[terse depot]

That's crazy though

First A rank to have time stop

Well time will tell how she performs against Hanying

I mean Vergil

Probably worse

[west jackal]

dark is lowkey in a bad spot rn

[craggy imp]

her wz score rn is 356w

[west jackal]

wait i lied

[craggy imp]

lightning is worse ngl

ice is somewhat bad too

lowest scores iirc

[teal frigate]

she does, that's why i wish she was a tank. it's gonna be sort of nicer

hanying ts is super slow

[iron mason]

On ts or phys?

[craggy imp]

probably ts but idr

[marble tinsel]

they give dante for free anyway

[teal frigate]

yeah

i may try to SSS vergil

but that's 31.5k

[iron mason]

Rip
My ts 🧱
Forever

[teal frigate]

oof....

[marble tinsel]

its easy, skip dmc

[teal frigate]

nah

[brittle terrace]

Nerg what should i be getting in hero with this 222 020 010?

Vera sigless ofc

[craggy imp]

uhh

do you have luna yet

[brittle terrace]

No💀

[marble tinsel]

lumi whel

[craggy imp]

cooked

[brittle terrace]

Ill get her from thunderbolt tmrw? I think

[brittle terrace]

Wha

So what should i get? ;-;

[craggy imp]

uhh

get luna and vera sig and then we can do fire

[brittle terrace]

Gimme an estimate so ik how bad the skill issue is

[craggy imp]

the other option is also just get pyroath

uhh maybe no more than 2.5m

sigless vera and hyperlee

[brittle terrace]

Love pyroath, but will take a while

If i get pyroath i also need sig and rn... the sig situation aint lookin good

[craggy imp]

[brittle terrace]

Ah okay im on 2.4 rn

YOOO CONGRATS

[craggy imp]

now i have the option between HT selena ppc set or hanying's set

its already half ht for hanying

[west jackal]

whats the best loadout

[brittle terrace]

Also luna class thing works for affixes aswell so that realky valuable for my bricked account rn

[normal night]

Bottom two skills are usually the best for cubs.

[brittle terrace]

Pls ht hanying

[craggy imp]

i mean 6% edb

[brittle terrace]

Still-

[craggy imp]

but that -1s in ppc sounds so nice

[brittle terrace]

😔

U are a ppc player ig

Its up to you but id do han

[craggy imp]

ill probably have enough after i do siege for both

[marble tinsel]

wait u can ping yellow orb then do basic attacks consecutively to fill pyroath's gauge?

[craggy imp]

or just spam 3 red orbs

[naive seal]

Is this worth it? I really needed hanying

Pity

[craggy imp]

well you already did all of it

[tepid marsh]

gurobu moment
do first ask later

[naive seal]

I was oberthinkig if I should get ts or the new two characters

[tepid marsh]

wdym get ts

[naive seal]

This selector

For hanying

[tepid marsh]

well you got it now

[naive seal]

I was saving the standard banner the free s selection, for other char

[naive seal]

Yeah...

[quick bronze]

i mean u neeed hanying for vergil

if u dont have hanying why even get vergil

[west jackal]

is she good

[tepid marsh]

no

[naive seal]

But I was thinking if I should have pulled Selena or the goth mommy

[west jackal]

yes

[iron mason]

2 years before

[marble tinsel]

thanks that spider2b guy's pyroath tutorial is a mess

[naive seal]

I was getting hanying for my alter Bianca..

[craggy imp]

balter

[west jackal]

walter

[iron mason]

Who is balter and walter
She just bianca

[marble tinsel]

is it bianca patch rn in CN

[craggy imp]

yes

[marble tinsel]

is she the last 3x bc income patch

[fleet kayak]

How much storage does the game take rn on mobile

[craggy imp]

it might be a double might be a triple we dont know yet

[ivory ermine]

For the CN server it was a singular version

[ivory ermine]

But for global servers it is unknown until further announcement

[west jackal]

crepuscule

[marble tinsel]

okay guys thanks, hope i get to save up enough for her

[elfin bramble]

4 piece cottie or 4 piece darwin on watanabe with harmony?

[craggy imp]

if you have vera and pyroath its 4dv

[elfin bramble]

I don't have pyroath only vera

[floral hill]

so, we can only get 30 shards per unit in ppc shop??

damn it

[craggy imp]

hmm i dunno much about that, usually he would run 4alph 4dv in the full fire team

[brittle terrace]

Feck i love vera, need her sig asap

[craggy imp]

do you use cn dub or jp dub

[brittle terrace]

Gotta learn the dodge orb cancelling

[brittle terrace]

Jp ofc for vera

[craggy imp]

hm

i like her cn a lot more

[brittle terrace]

Her jp voice is just😩

[brittle terrace]

Thats fair

[marble path]

Is it just me or is Alisa dragging phy team back

She deals no dmg

[brittle terrace]

For me its just really suits her

[craggy imp]

she doesnt do dmg

[elfin bramble]

Should I use daybreak with lilith idont have anyother dark character rather than lilith

[craggy imp]

shes just there to apply crit

[brittle terrace]

But i prefer liliths cn voice

[marble path]

[brittle terrace]

Jp and cn are both great tho

[marble path]

I'm sick of Lilith starting animation

[brittle terrace]

The rest are.... interesting...

[marble path]

I've seen enuf during the sequence pact missions

[floral hill]

we get 30 shards from ppc, what else aside dupe from banner if we want to get non-leap/freebie unit shards?

[craggy imp]

nothing

[floral hill]

...

[marble path]

This week is the first week I get to keep PPC shards

Kinda happy

[floral hill]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-cat-cute-cat-sorry-hurt-gif-2675733701509759180

[marble path]

[floral hill]

damn it, now Nanami gonna stuck at SS forever

[marble path]

Nanaknigjt?

[floral hill]

ye

[marble path]

I mean, they can't let you earn shards elsewhere

Or they go bankrupt

[gritty shore]

Just get her ss3 in anniv banner next patch owo

🐳

[summer bay]

Can I just go back to advanced ppc if i can't score at least 1.5 mil in ultimate?

[floral hill]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-star-gif-12444779478318419340

[craggy imp]

this week is easy to score tho so i think youll be able to do it

[ivory ermine]

I mean if you're done with most of the outlier bosses then sure

For the achievement mission that gives you Pain skulls

[floral hill]

what about Dorm shards??? do they get refreshed or???

[ivory ermine]

They won't

It's one time thing

[unique egret]

no ur cooked

[marble path]

Wait

[unique egret]

get fked, time to swipe

[marble path]

Is advanced PPC still ok

[unique egret]

no

[marble path]

I thought I must do ultimate now

[floral hill]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-car-rain-officer-k-ryan-gosling-gif-677833335851754053

[craggy imp]

i did it

[unique egret]

ultimate then push urself

[ivory ermine]

I mean it's your choice if you think getting too low of a score in Ultimate Phantom Pain Cage is bad

[unique egret]

how much is it to get breakeven with adv on ult? 1.55m?

[craggy imp]

1.55 yea

48 skulls

[unique egret]

thats easy with ss0+sig

[lunar rampart]

You could get there without doing 1 hell stage

[unique egret]

baseline

ok how about u do my hell

[lunar rampart]

Ok

[unique egret]

[floral hill]

what about voucher??? are they limited only for 60??

[lunar rampart]

[craggy imp]

they refresh monthly

[unique egret]

refresh monthly

[lunar rampart]

60 discounted but you can buy as many as you want

[floral hill]

OHHH

finally

some hope

[marble path]

[stiff tree]

What's the best custom orb for Lucid dreamer?

[lunar rampart]

Just that the 61st shard onwards will cost more

[lunar rampart]

Blue

[floral hill]

thats enough

at least its a good news

[lunar rampart]

From 804 to 1200, you might as well just wait

[floral hill]

[tawny hound]

OK 2 questions about dmc collab. 1. Are all pulls discounted or only the first few?
2. Will I be able to pull dante or vergil's 6* weapons after the collab ends?

[lunar rampart]

That's like a 49% spike

[lunar rampart]

1.All pulls are discounted
2. No

[tawny hound]

Aight thanks

[peak torrent]

rn i got almost +12k bc, do i try getting selena or she isnt that needed?? content left for bc is stronghold, some missions, a lot of history (im at chapter 10 rn), golden core and idk what more
my characters r solacetune epitaph and the new vera, and i want to save for the dmc collab if possible tho

[lunar rampart]

If you want the dmc more than selena then whatever I'm not stopping you

[floral hill]

got 36k saved, tempted to pull Vera tho

[lunar rampart]

You need vera for dante

[floral hill]

ah.. sh*t

what about Vergil?

[peak torrent]

im js asking if skipping selena is that bad for my acc

[sonic vault]

Question for the DMC collab?
Will 40k black cards be enough to get both Dante and Vergil including their weapons and cubs? Trying at least to get them around SS to SSS

[lunar rampart]

He badly wants Hanying Solacetune

[craggy imp]

you can get one SSS maybe

[floral hill]

shes on my next selector then

[lunar rampart]

Objectively yes it's much worse to not have selena than to not have DMC, do with that as you will

[ivory ermine]

If you're planning to get SSS rank for both of them, you would need more than that

[tawny hound]

I got 43k cards so far and I think I got 1 more x3 week plus 750 more plus monthly pass I should be able to get 2 vergils Yamato mirage edge and a devil sword Dante

[sonic vault]

How much more cause I am active everyday on this game at least for 1 hour?

[peak torrent]

oh uhh do you think i can get atleast ss vergil only after using all my bc on selena?

[tawny hound]

I could also wait on Dante since I can get rewards from the actual dmc patch itself

[lunar rampart]

You should have enough

Yes

[peak torrent]

k

[floral hill]

R&D can be used on DMC event, no?

[craggy imp]

no

[lunar rampart]

No

[marble path]

How good are Dante and vergil anyway?

[stiff tree]

But selena will get a rerun eventually and dmc won't since its a collab, or does it not work like that?

[tawny hound]

And I also got all characters that vergil and Dante need built to a high level so I am very good rn

[lunar rampart]

Meta in their attic team

[floral hill]

so only black cards??

[lunar rampart]

Selena doesn't get reruns unless you mean arrival (dogsht banner)

[tawny hound]

My vera got over 7.5k bp

[lunar rampart]

But also she has more use than the dmc bros anyway

[unique egret]

are u guys excited for dmc? 1 more week, whos ready?

[floral hill]

[lunar rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366128006891966600/1396552066503020674/haziyuki_sakura_0_20250720_102415.gif

[worldly briar]

no

[stiff tree]

Wait if i can't use R&D tickets on the dmc collab, am i free to spend them on Selena?

[lunar rampart]

Bruh

[lunar rampart]

Yes

[unique egret]

wtf where all my dmc glazer gang

[floral hill]

ayo

[unique egret]

[floral hill]

SSS Vergil

[peak torrent]

so if i dont want to kill my acc i should prioritize selena over dmc? i love dmc but if selena is needed ig ill just stay with a ss sigless vergil

[unique egret]

im ready to break some bag

[lunar rampart]

R u pulling for dmc hun

[stiff tree]

Honestly from the way people in this server talk about the dmc collab i feel like nobody is excited (unless you're a diehard DMC fan like myself) 😭

[unique egret]

DMC on top baby

[floral hill]

well.. i mean, they prioritize meta competition

[lunar rampart]

Hating the dmc collab is a learned thing

The sync babies here don't have the right to hate on it

[gentle hawk]

No, skip dmc

[unique egret]

[peak torrent]

wait since i bought mpa and 2 bc supplies, do yall think i can get enough for ss vergil+sig if i spend 15k bc now on selena? or the dmc patch doesnt gives enough bc

[lunar rampart]

Babe are you pulling for dmc

[unique egret]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-vergil-dmc-gif-26765941

ofc i am

[lunar rampart]

How much do u have

[stiff tree]

Me personally i don't care about meta as long as i can clear all content in the game, and since i'm clearing everything with Lucid Dreamer Wanshi i'm 100% sure i can do the same with Vergil

[unique egret]

vergil only though, couldnt care less abt dante

[peak torrent]

+12k but i can get 15k rq with stronghold

[floral hill]

thats also my mindshet

[unique egret]

free unit

[lunar rampart]

You should have enough as long as you don't lose the 80/20

[floral hill]

i mean, mindset

[peak torrent]

scary rate up loss

[magic jolt]

Does Vera scale off hp?

[stiff tree]

devious typo

[magic jolt]

She loses her hp after first ult?

[floral hill]

LOLLL

[lunar rampart]

No

Nobody in pgr scales off anything other than atk

[magic jolt]

Okay ty

[lunar rampart]

And the elemental dmg bonus and stuff like that but whatever

[peak torrent]

she thinks shes cartethyia or something

[lunar rampart]

Cartethyia thinks she's Vera smh

Wait no that doesn't make sense

She thinks she's Bianca smh

[peak torrent]

true

[floral hill]

im on 20 on stronghold, cleared norman twice, and barely 30 months account, already got SS Nanamin from Pain cage shop, so yeah, i think im doing good? Nanamin helped a lot, also Echo, Cw and LunaObv, and Jetavieee

[stiff tree]

Btw guys who do i need for Vergil? As in characters, i mean

[lunar rampart]

Hanying Solacetune and Alisa Echo

[floral hill]

but having skill issue at Clash Reflection

[fringe elbow]

Hanying Solacetune and Alisa Echo
They need quite some investment too

[lunar rampart]

30 month old account damn you old as hell

[floral hill]

30 days accountttt

[lunar rampart]

Oh

I think my account is uhh wait

641 days 🎊 🥳

[unique egret]

bro you have 30 years old account, u fossil brotha

[lunar rampart]

U started playing before me smh

[old garnet]

Old ash

[floral hill]

smh Yall

[unique egret]

smh my head

[floral hill]

i started playing at start of june

*jule

[unique egret]

i started at may

[floral hill]

damn it, july

[unique egret]

see we're not much of a difference

[floral hill]

...no..?

[unique egret]

[floral hill]

[lunar rampart]

He started on May

1998

[floral hill]

[unique egret]

we talking abt month, dont speak of the year

[lunar rampart]

I actually started in the future i havent played yet

I started in October

[craggy imp]

eos yet?

[unique egret]

[lunar rampart]

New Liv is an Ice Amplifier fortunately

And the next teased unit is Kamui

[craggy imp]

is he female this time

[lunar rampart]

But Alpha's getting a new frame soon too

And Veronica is dark tank

[unique egret]

ok was gonna ask that

alpha new frame LFG

[lunar rampart]

He has a fem coating

[craggy imp]

mmmm, makes sense

[lunar rampart]

(Bianca)

Oh no I feel myself transforming

[unique egret]

u optimum prime?

[lunar rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267535702854340699/1318583254667886702/gato_agua.gif

[craggy imp]

not gagain

[unique egret]

mf

mr beat

[craggy imp]

was that the real mrbeast

[lunar rampart]

Mr breast give me money

[magic jolt]

Can you sell cubs?

I have an extra I don't want

[unique egret]

ye

[magic jolt]

How and where

[unique egret]

scrap

[marble tinsel]

wheres teased kamui frame

[unique egret]

in future

[lunar rampart]

Teased from when I started in octobe

[marble tinsel]

no design yet?

[magic jolt]

Okay ty

[unique egret]

ask liv ai to draw

[lunar rampart]

We got a silhouette of him but he's looking away from us

[gentle hawk]

Impossible

[marble tinsel]

mambo draw it

[unique egret]

then make it as leak, source by Uncle Liv AI

[lunar rampart]

I'll update you guys when I find it

[teal sedge]

Hi guys, does anyone know how to solve this? I encountered this problem a week ago and tried to solve it (by reinstalling and using VPN), but nothing worked. So I decided to ask you.

[unique egret]

[lunar rampart]

Im ngl nobody here knows about tech stuff

AAAAH

[unique egret]

yo chill wtf

[violet birch]

woah.

[lunar rampart]

don't remind me of episode 3

[marble path]

@violet birch please don't post that in this server thanks.

[reef knot]

try restarting your wifi

[unique egret]

man i was about to bust

[marble path]

What

[lunar rampart]

Rai no

[craggy imp]

omg fork chan

[violet birch]

but but official

[marble path]

Chan?

[marble path]

It's official?

[marble path]

Sus

[unique egret]

[violet birch]

it is FORTUNATELY.

[lunar rampart]

Oh wait yeah I need to change my pfp too

[marble path]

Show me the source link if you said it's official

[violet birch]

okay let me find it agian

[lunar rampart]

Made by pee gee ar

[marble path]

Explain

[unique egret]

[lunar rampart]

He was about to leave

And go rot in the office until after dmc

[marble path]

[undone oxide]

I got demoted to Hero

[craggy imp]

goodjob

[lunar rampart]

Smh what a casual

Be more like me

[gentle hawk]

Too sweaty, alternate between legend and hero are eternal

[lunar rampart]

Omg the old wz ranks

[violet birch]

man i can't find that art cause it's lost to time but this is official lee birthday post

[lunar rampart]

I'll just reverse search it send the. Image to me

[violet birch]

https://x.com/PGR_GLOBAL/status/1550812983349202944/photo/1 it's practically out there

Punishing: Gray Raven (@PGR_GLOBAL)

Happy Birthday, Lee!

"Super lucky to have you and Gray Raven with me on summer vacation, Commandant."

#PGR #punishinggrayraven

X · Jul 23, 2022, 12:00 PM

[lunar rampart]

Lee chan

[pallid narwhal]

@craggy imp ok i got both cradle and skych this week ur safe

[marble path]

Ok

[craggy imp]

is that good or bad for you

[pallid narwhal]

for a week

[lunar rampart]

Cradle is cooked for me

[pallid narwhal]

its good for u

[lunar rampart]

Cause i have to use vera for cradle

RIP hardstuck 600k

[valid pebble]

Will there be another blue selector after collab or.. no more?

[lunar rampart]

Yes

[pallid narwhal]

playing onfield nanamers with domain instead of dlt is still very painge

[lunar rampart]

Probably

[valid pebble]

Guess I'll save my stuff then, thank you

[normal night]

We don't know, the only reset was Ishmael patch.

[lunar rampart]

If there is a next time it'll be on the anniversary

And no I don't know when that is

[gentle hawk]

Get both

[pallid narwhal]

i only have 5 usbs man

[lunar rampart]

@unique egret here's the new kamui

[craggy imp]

omg real!!

[gentle hawk]

U have 5 while i have none

[lunar rampart]

It looks like gpt took inspiration from Sister

[gentle hawk]

[pallid narwhal]

its ok i dont plan on giving selena dlt

[craggy imp]

[pallid narwhal]

she doesnt need it

hanying carry true and real

[craggy imp]

shut up i was twitchy from malding

[pallid narwhal]

tho i will give wata dlt

[lunar rampart]

Im struggling to do anything without selena dlt

[unique egret]

Why are u AI talking to another AI

[lunar rampart]

It might be possible but not with the normal rot

[ruby chasm]

does advanced zone give better rewards than ultimate zone or is it just harder? (this is in PPC)

[pallid narwhal]

by struggle you mean not able to 630k

[lunar rampart]

Fk whel

[ruby chasm]

i meant the other way around

[lunar rampart]

Ultimate gives more

[marble path]

I was gonna say

[pallid narwhal]

ultimate is harder and gives more

[normal night]

Ultimate gives more but its harder.

[marble path]

They give more but it's harder

Hey!

I'm too slow

[lunar rampart]

I think normally I get about >70 skulls from ultimate

[ruby chasm]

aight

[lunar rampart]

But advanced would only give me like 48

[ornate garden]

guys which one is the right memo for Geira

[timber hemlock]

will the blue ticket banner reset again soon?

[craggy imp]

its 60, 66 with ib

[lunar rampart]

Lets see your fire team

[ruby chasm]

anyways who should i invest in first?

https://huaxu.app/ap/players/21929310/characters

[normal night]

Ultimate has outlier too which gives 75 skulls per boss.

[lunar rampart]

I'm not placing bottom of the barrel in ib though

[craggy imp]

ok then 67

[ornate garden]

Pyro and Epi

[lunar rampart]

Much better

[lunar rampart]

A little more specific with their investment levels

[timber hemlock]

ig vera, lilith, nanami, wanshi

nanami first

[ornate garden]

yeah im working on that

[ruby chasm]

is this in order?

[timber hemlock]

nanami > wanshi > lilith = vera

[lunar rampart]

What level of investment are they

[gentle hawk]

Depends on how u use her:
Supp - 4 dv 4 guin
Dps - 4 shakes 4 cottie
Solo - 4 hervor 4 cottie

[lunar rampart]

Meh vera isn't that low

[craggy imp]

that doesnt say much

[lunar rampart]

Low ball the order should at least be wanshi ≈ lilith =< vera

[lunar rampart]

SS0 with signature weapon and resonance on their weapon?

Eitherway, 4shakespeare 4cottie is her general maindps set

[teal sedge]

it didn't help, but thank you for your assistance anyway. Although I assume that my government is involved

[reef knot]

damn, that usually works for me everytime.

[sturdy wind]

Lilith>Luna obv>Nanami? For rotations of my dark team

[fathom ice]

Hey hey, anyone knows if Pianissimo will get added to the blue ticket selector on DMC patch? or will it be on Bianca's

[sturdy wind]

Or Nanami starter>Lilith>Luna>nanami

[gentle hawk]

Dmc

[sturdy wind]

Isn't bianca and Collab same patch?

[gentle hawk]

No

[worldly briar]

nuh uh

dmc patch = farm bc patch

[gentle hawk]

Bianca possibly paired with discord or even veronica

[fathom ice]

we are so back, thank you

[craggy imp]

Luna shouldn’t get any field time

[rapid void]

what is SS vera rotation

[lime oriole]

skip the luna

[worldly briar]

behold my unsheathed blade

[lime oriole]

without her main build loona deals 0 dmg

[gentle hawk]

Luna qte bot anyways in that team

[peak torrent]

is skipping selena that bad? i want to save for dmc but uhh i dont want to brick my acc (i alr got vera tho since dante needs her)
are we getting another blue selector on dmc patch tho? or unknown

[craggy imp]

If you don’t wanna brick just pull everyone

[lime oriole]

next blue selector in 2026

[craggy imp]

[peak torrent]

soon

[gentle hawk]

No news about free blue selector for now, it just updates every patch

[lime oriole]

late 2026

[gentle hawk]

Late 2027

Pgr eos

[raven flicker]

is this team okay atm? since i dont have epitaph. Lucia pyroath, vera and nanami pulse?

[sudden prairie]

Does maxing out affection with a unit at the main screen do anything

[lime oriole]

just use ishmael

[haughty glade]

Can you explain what a Leap Skills is? When I left game last time it wasn't there. And it seems require to buy some new resources to unlock them.

[peak torrent]

since i started like 5 days ago should i js create a new acc and save the blue selector for pianissimo
i used it for solacetune

[lime oriole]

cooler interaction + flex

[sudden prairie]

I heard that you could marry them LOL

[sudden prairie]

Isn’t this account for DMC you were going for?

[peak torrent]

ye but idk what to do if skipping selena is that bad 😭

[gentle hawk]

Leap skills used to make older chara's more useful with reduced orb rng or extra skills, but now just more to make them have affix

[sudden prairie]

Allows units to still have some “staying power”
Like echo being phys but her leap lets her be used in glacio too

[sturdy wind]

How then?

[sudden prairie]

I mean if you wanna play DMC you’re fine

[sturdy wind]

I'm still waiting for bianca new frame so all I have for my dark team is lilith

[sudden prairie]

But if you want to go meta then yeah this account is buns

It really depends what you wanna do

[peak torrent]

i dont want to go for meta at all but i also dont want to be unable to clear content ig

[gentle hawk]

Luna > lilith > nanami > lilith > nanami for me

[marble tinsel]

mambon dumdum

[sturdy wind]

Thanks it'll try it in wz

[haughty glade]

does it important to unlock them on all older characters? @gentle hawk@sudden prairie

[sudden prairie]

mmmmm
Since content is all “use the right element/affix for the scenario” you’ll definitely struggle
As long as you aren’t aiming for getting high score you should??? be fine

[haughty glade]

or like, how much of a gain they are

a bit or a lot?

[hushed delta]

nanami old voice line is back ?

[sudden prairie]

Not all
I believe the only leap worth getting currently is Echo.
CW is currently a prank getting her leaped as what we can tell

[gentle hawk]

Uh it's optional but not for echo if u want to chase the meta

[sturdy wind]

How about rotations num? I can usually do 2 rots for Lilith and like more than 5 for Nanami, what's your reco for Nanami b4 I switch back to Lilith?

[peak torrent]

i want to get only the enough score for the rewards ig
i mean i also dont want to use a bricked acc for getting solacetune with the blue selector, or can i js "unbrick" it later when i use the thunderbolt research selector on nanami

[gentle hawk]

I just follow firefly rot

[sturdy wind]

Who?

[brittle terrace]

Oh damn its nana clash reflection

[iron mason]

Olders characters not really
Mostly go fun
And also in meta yet echo
and in future wata leaps with mostly helps

[haughty glade]

What about Alpha? Liv Empyrea?

[sturdy wind]

You can still get PPC and WZ rewards just by making randoms clear the stage

[iron mason]

Alpha is depend on ranks
Empy is just after vera not realy matter

[peak torrent]

yeah i noticed that, got all the rewards by using a chopped crimson weave lmao

[gentle hawk]

https://youtu.be/W_B6xpApRHA?si=NvYpR-N2As4Wo6j5

[haughty glade]

at this moment there is so much that I need to do there, so I was wondered if it worth for investment or just ignore right now

[sturdy wind]

Thanks imma check it out

[marble tinsel]

any tip for higher siege scores

[rapid void]

does echo use 4 signa 4 dv

[cerulean anvil]

Vera: Geiravor <:s_rank:1287636749052412026><:amplifier:1290613387197415467><:fire_element:1290613867365273630><:umbrasurge:1288090169303371828>

Main Support Sub-DPS Set

Usage

Main Support Sub-DPS

Game Modes

High Difficulty, Pain Cage, Warzone, Clash Reflection, Norman

Description

Recommended for all ranks
General Sub-DPS set
Can swap Harmony between Guinevere and Einsteina depending on situation

Memories

4x Da Vinci
2x Guinevere

Memory Resonances

Top Slot : 6x Any ATK+15 Variant
Bottom Slot: 6x Class Skill

Harmony Recommendation

Guinevere

[haughty glade]

for example I'm looking at Alpha Leap skills, what is "Leaping Thrust" there?

[iron mason]

Abuse timestop and qte

[haughty glade]

what action it is on keyboard/UI

is it dodge or not?

[iron mason]

Its hold atak first stage

[brittle terrace]

Feck i went last layer for thunderbolt😔

[craggy imp]

[marble tinsel]

who are u getting there lumi

[craggy imp]

did you already spend all of the 80 bucks

[brittle terrace]

Nope

[craggy imp]

time for more spending

[brittle terrace]

😔

[brittle terrace]

Was going to get hanying but i think luna

[craggy imp]

or you could do rougelikes

[brittle terrace]

;-;

Theymake me wanna kms

Idek whether story or roguelikes are faster

[sudden prairie]

Story takes serum tho

[craggy imp]

oh right i need to do my story

[sudden prairie]

[brittle terrace]

I wanna keep the leftover rc for the dmc patch mpa and cub bp

[craggy imp]

[brittle terrace]

Thats fine

Rogue likes or story ;-;

[cerulean anvil]

Hanying: Solacetune <:s_rank:1287636749052412026><:tank:1290614106520555571><:physical_element:1290613978057146379><:trueslash:1288090116790812712>

Sub-DPS Set

Usage

Sub-DPS

Game Modes

High Difficulty, Pain Cage, Warzone, Clash Reflection, Norman

Description

Recommended for all ranks
Main DPS Set
Harmony Set (Requires Harmony on Signature 6 Weapon)*

Memories

4x Changwuzi
2x Patton
2x Patton (Harmony)

Memory Resonances

Top Slot : 6x Any ATK+15 Variant
Bottom Slot: 6x Class Skill

[craggy imp]

#📨・bot-info

[sudden prairie]

@craggy imp
Do you have any thoughts on DF currently?

[marble path]

Please use the bot info channel for the bots commands

Thank you

[craggy imp]

ass

[stiff tree]

I've asked people about the story and people always tell me to skip everything and only start reading at chapter 8, but won't i miss important context? Like I'm gonna reach chapter 8 and when i start to actually read i'll just be lost

[craggy imp]

hi fork

[sudden prairie]

Currently the new /cnteams has CW as the dps but I was under the impression that Bianca will be a better choice

[brittle terrace]

Which is quicker for gettin bc/orange tickets

[gentle hawk]

Yes some infos are important like what u encounter in ch 1 will be answered on ch 18

[craggy imp]

shes the defacto dps but not really im gonna be honest

[sudden prairie]

People are gonna invest in CW and wonder why they are scoring too low in DF

[craggy imp]

i bet shes gonna be replaced before df content comes out

[iron mason]

Idk
My tactics on every story
I read first a bit
if i get bored skip
If interested stay

[sudden prairie]

As a CW enjoyer, I hope so.
Because she’s bait rn LOL

[brittle terrace]

So skip everything 🙂

[knotty swift]

What should Pyroaths fire team layout be

[brittle terrace]

Layout?

[sudden prairie]

Vera Pyro Epitaph

[knotty swift]

Like the color orb thingy

[sudden prairie]

Oh!

[tiny iron]

so is the next patch the dmc5 patch?

[craggy imp]

technically its vera's fire team layout now

[knotty swift]

Much Obliged

[brittle terrace]

[sudden prairie]

Vera Red
Pyro Blue
Wata Yellow

[marble path]

Hi nergi

[craggy imp]

better late than never

[sudden prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/what-burger-how-wtf-чзх-gif-25552254

[knotty swift]

Oh thanks

[brittle terrace]

This clash reflection was the easiest yet

[craggy imp]

veronica was not fun

[brittle terrace]

Made so many mistakes in rotation cuz crazy skill issue

[craggy imp]

i had to wait 30s before doing damage

[brittle terrace]

Oop fr?

[brittle terrace]

Still not even a min

[sudden prairie]

Can I throw glacio at the clash reflection?

[craggy imp]

like it was easy but like i dont like waiting

[brittle terrace]

Nanagoat

[craggy imp]

yea

[sudden prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lucid-dreams-meme-gif-26112574

[brittle terrace]

Clash should give 10,000 bc

🙂

[sudden prairie]

That team really does just flex tape fix any problem I have

[gentle hawk]

U can skip ch34 tho, trash just like selena

[brittle terrace]

I'd like a new lightning dps 😔

[gentle hawk]

[brittle terrace]

Who's selena?

[celest condor]

was wondering, what element team does the most damage in the wrong element for WZ/PPC?

[gentle hawk]

Selena being selena, useless

[sudden prairie]

Glacio I believe is highest damaging team currently

[brittle terrace]

Whos selena

[gentle hawk]

Pianissimo

[celest condor]

cuz of Selena?

[brittle terrace]

Oh the crippled piano

[gentle hawk]

Her character development worsen after becoming pianissimo

[brittle terrace]

Midlena mb

[ornate garden]

guys which one???

[brittle terrace]

I just forgot selena her name, cuz midlena just fits much more

[jaunty obsidian]

hey guys, is the entire DMC5 character going to be discounted no matter how many pulls i do?

[brittle terrace]

[sudden prairie]

DLT for phys
Glorious for glacio

But once you unlock the slot you can change it for free

[valid pebble]

this is correct right?

[gentle hawk]

Honestly kuro just use sympathy on us just to sell selena lmao, her story is trash

[craggy imp]

why did hypertune like that and why did you roll crit

[valid pebble]

I saw some other guy and thought crit was it 😭

[sudden prairie]

Hyper tune 4-6 first

[gentle hawk]

As u can see, skk put a gun on selena on the short video, but in story just damsel in distress

[brittle terrace]

3 days till sss daddy shi

[sudden prairie]

Crit isn’t worth pushing for. Crit only effects phys anyway and she’s fire

[brittle terrace]

[craggy imp]

bro its the same amount of typing as 456 why did you add the dash

[sudden prairie]

LISTEN HERE

[jaunty obsidian]

is the entire DMC5 character going to be discounted no matter how many pulls i do?
cuz some vid mentioned it being discounted for the first 50

[gentle hawk]

Yes, discounted

[brittle terrace]

Wait next week is last 3x🥹

[gentle hawk]

Only for chara's pull

[craggy imp]

this week is the last

wait

[brittle terrace]

WHA

Dmc patch is midweek tho?

[craggy imp]

yea 6 days left

[jaunty obsidian]

na is it always going to be discounted no matter how many pulls

[brittle terrace]

FECK

[craggy imp]

wait

wataever im too lazy to go check

[sudden prairie]

I’m gonna miss 3x

[gentle hawk]

.....yes

[sudden prairie]

I’m gonna feel so POOOOR

[brittle terrace]

Yeah update wednesday i checked

That is if its the 6th

[gentle hawk]

Yes it's on 6th

[brittle terrace]

Okay phew

[gentle hawk]

So 2 more weeks 3x

[craggy imp]

wait i swaer to god it said 6 days left

am i schizo

[brittle terrace]

I might nit be able to get 2 chars, only 1, luna or hanying,