#📨・general-help
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no
SS u get with skulls from Phantom Pain Cage
500 skulls for 30 shards which is SS
Oh ok so technically you can get any S character to SS for free
even SSS. just swipe 
Ok now real question is if I aim for SS Vera or Startrail
not a matter of if. just a matter of priority. i say startrail first
both but startrail first
My b I meant by who to do first
Does anyone know
Congrats
carried btw
guys how are you supposed to make primal projection in ppc not suck when your only "good" dark unit is lilith 🥀
make her sss r3
what invest is she
SS r0
Is Jetavie bad even at SSS+?
yes
ss0 wont cut it
Unfortunate 🥀
not enough vouchers 🥀
sss lilith owners profitting heavy
u need to buy only 7 shards for vouchers

wdym it's 27 from SS0 to SS3

you get 20 free from her banner
ye those helped get to SS
is bro trolling
???
are u low on skulls or smth
it was 1 copy and 20 shards from the thing wasn't it
30-10=0 
yeah and you can buy 30 shards from ppc
I still need to get shukra and epitaph to SS tho 🥀
u got any vouchers available?
well maybe not epitaph he's just a qtebot in my team rn anyway
I've spent everything I can already + the rewards from this week's warzone
skul
ig I'm just cooked
UPCOMING NEXT:
-
skych(phys); cradle(light); lilith(dark)
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gwyn(fire); madorea(ice); primal(dark)
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powered[TS]; phantom(light); lilith(dark)
yea u need lilith ss3 or u cooked
aghhhhh
Which r3
beside dlt
u done outliner already i assume
mhm
done the roguelikes?
well, tundra u can do in 1h if u lock in
other two will take on avg about 6-7h each
I usually take my time through things like them tho so it's not quite as feasible
bro has content to consume all week
If u want speedrun strat on tundra 
#📨・meta-help message
ig I could just dump my 420 skulls into lilith shards and snag the final shard through one of them
3m each run
It scares me that you did all of fantasia but not the others
I've been slowly doing dfm
cursed waves just hurts to play
and the grid mechanics of awakening are kinda weird
To me fantasia is the worst out of em all 
it probably is
but it was also the "first" one and I'd started it back in shaper's ripples before I knew about lilith
so my logic was I was working towards the dark team
real dark is luna + nanami 
I see 
and then it got to the point where most of the good achievements were done and it was just popping in and doing a daily 10 nodes

they took my 2500$ away 
not yours
Are you trying to get vouchers now for lilith?
damn, these mods so greedy 
what I've been doing for the last week or so
I'm just not determined enough to spend 3 straight hours grinding an alt interpretation kek
Gin got another payload for next SSS+ 
i mean, tundra would take only 55min-1h 
Relatable, I've only done tundra on my alt
but even 3 minutes spent on tundra is already seizure inducing torture 
maybe, but would also only constitute under a quarter of the 27 shard requirement even after hitting 110
should I keep trying last norman stage or just ffs? looks somewhat doable but enemies are HELLA tanky and almost one shot my carries.
also all units are base S or SS sigless
would help reduce the amount of skulls I need to sink tho ig
time to see how far I can get before ppc ends in 9 hours
take a support for tge one you struggle the most on
yea, take support for one team, and spend less energy there
just amount to not be in red
take a lilith on the dark one and put more energy into phys
Do Gloria and Einsteina stack? I assume not since I'm only seeing Einsteina's debuff icon
I only have ss lilith on my alt too, oof did not do great on primal projection lol
they do 
they do stack
buffs only dont stack if theyre the same type
some debuffs/buffs don't have an icon cuz kusogames just don't care about them
I really just wanna hit the 1.55m goal 🥀
didnt unlocked her yet but yea she would be good there
Oh okay! I'm coping super hard with my dark team rn and trying to see how I can better perform on dark WZ and PPC. Team is Lilith (SSS), Oblivion (SS), Lucid Dreamer (SSS), and Luna's holding gloria/einsteina/DV + DV harmo, then Wanshi holding Bathalon. Any suggestions though? Would be appreciated
where u got lamia from
wanshi doesnt need to hold bathlon if loona is there
he can use his normal set
hmm limited banner before I stopped playing like 10 months ago? I dont remember exactly
Oh duh, totally forgot about that
ah, was worried u used base banner on her 
I think u should be able to even with SS lilith right? I got 584k still
610k with sss lilick 

nono, I have pyro lucia on target, need 5 more pulls but blue tickets are kinda cringe to get for some reason
click support icon here when selecting characters
idk I haven't really tried cause I saw I wasn't doing well on knight
I'm coping with like luna w SS3 wanshi cause no dark members
and suddenly new world opens up to u 
the world of cthulhus
lemme check rq, thanks for the image
you mean support text, cuz das no icon there 
I used the same 
|| ofc if u are in guild ||
who tf put SSS caprricio as their support wth
i was about to say that
A dream for most players
why not 
put someone useful instead 🥀
|| it's whale guild anyways || 
s0 lilick better than crapricco
nahh, put base A rank, naked brs there 
that gives me an idea 
s0 4* lvl 1 dante
brs naked? 
maybe u prefer maxed fish 
yes feesh
I refreshed and page stayed the same 
but it woked, kinda crazy this feature exists
that means u are in poopoo guild 
damn, no guild, nor fwiends 
oh ggs
I'm sitting on a fodder guild just to have something
applied on the first thing that popped
main reason why i switched to more active one 
I need to unequip a character from preset page (even tho I'm not using it in this stage) to borrow it, thats kinda weird but ok ig
careful tho cuz u can get used to to the power real quick 
its 1 borrow per team? or stage
because this thing is not happening without borrowing at least once per team lmao, too much hp to tackle
did redistribute energy
yea
stage
chat i just found out the side stories on chapter 13 unlock automatically after you complete normal mode
should I read them tho? cuz the rewards are already available without reading it
or do i just progress to extra story
yeah apparently you dont need to do the maze for them
yea
i finished normal mode and the chapter shows 100%, when i checked explore mode all the side stories were there already
free 300 bc 🤑
not the side stories
u already did claim them
yeah but i meant like, lore wise, are they important?
thats not the side stories bruh
the side stories are the other ones on the side
Cacaw cacaa
I could mange to try like all energy in one team just to see if it would pass but then the last two ones would be gg - also this is only the minor nodes to remove last stage affixes so....
- punching mobs for 5 mins is not really what I would call fun
anyway thanks for the tips you gave, it helped me clear at least 1/4 lol
you see how there's other stories aside from the main plot?
those are the side stories i meant
ok so ciel was right SS lilith was enough to get everything I wanted
I will definitely be following ya'lls advice and sinking some time into tundra tho
ig, i just didnt bother with 13 and did listen to summary 
Nanami come to papa soon
also turns out i didnt claim like 250bc for this chapter for some reason 
see what i mean 
get lots of tissues for disaster tab tho 
who do i get for lilith cope aside from xxi
luna and ss3 wanshi
we love zaza
dont have lunar 
i dont
doom
No ish?
nope
Rip
i started playing on ish patch but didnt get enough bc for her :/
imagine
we should get some disruption content tbh
Swipe.
isn't disruption literally just playing nihil normally lmao
i did i still dont have enough 
Ouch
ish luna teddy 
Swipe more-
going into debt for gacha
Im trunna get hanying from thunderbolt and luna from anni banner
I'm in aura debt after swiping for sigs
How much u spend😔
lost the first 80/20 went ahead and did a 10pull and pulled 2 identicals
$20
Does having no sigs and no meta supports means I can't clear outline bosses in ppc? I mean get 580K
Pyroath will have to wait, i need ss3 bianca
Oh thats fine tho-?
outlier is easy enough that you can clear with s rank meta units
Is anni banner next patch?
Yuh
still feels bad tho
I wanted both shukra's and uncle's but ended up with alisa's and 2 shukra's
i need luna and ish and pyroath from anni banner you guys think i can make it 
❌
Yeah i spent like £60
No
ew euro
But even after 20 theres huge af benefits
Still need meta supports though?
No lol
no
thats pounds 
This is euro €
potato potato

I only speak MURICA
Cacaw cacaw
Is the anni banner a one time use? Or can I pull multiple characters?
🦅
I think multiple
💀
i spent 70 000 ugandan shillings on this game already i cant go hungry for another month
is vera rlly worth it or not
im at 49 pity idk if to keep farming event tickets for her or just save the pity for the upcoming anni banner
go hungry
Yes worth it
OFC VERA IS
she worth it
definitely
Every upcoming native s rank is worth pulling
meta in 2 teams so for that reason alone she's worth it
how op is she 💔
Op
very
She's good to have
SS + sig is better at dps than pyroath at equal invest
Gen 3 Amplifier
wait is anni banner on start of dmc patch?
oh damn i can only get s sigless for now tho
ss is free wdym
well SS is free sooooooo
Based on my testing, SS0 vera might also be stronger than SS3 pyroath
LMAO
if u farm
i started 2 days ago i have little amount of vouchers thingy
It's not vouchers its skulls
oh
Ig it does take a bit still
well i can only do 2 bosses lol
then do them
ye i alr did
what do i do with extra 5* weapons
Otlier will help eventually
Nothint
u just gotta get strong enough for outlier point
then money money money 🤑
crimson weave carrying me through the whole content ❤️🩹
get nanami bro
whats that
crimson brick
unlocks alongside ultimate ppc, 1m advanced ppc progress
i will in the next selector ig
lets you fight a bunch of permanent ppc bosses for dummy skulls
wait who did you spent this selector on
epitaph it didnt even have nanami there
Not that selector bruh
oh
Alpha crimson weave heh, more like alpha crippled n' weak
the blue ticket selector bro
your blue card selector
on the basic banner for 40 pity
bananaknight
Base Banner Check Event Superconducting Axial Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis Banner
ohh uhh lets say i used it on solacetune because i WILL make vergil strong (dont kill me i didnt want to get nanami yet)
do you at least have pianissimo
Did u also skip selena
no

i cant get her in time only vera
Ahh this is gonna be so hard for you
You're gonna have to cope with using vergil in physical
might as well use lotus atp
ill js get nanami on that one selector that makes u waste a billion of tickets
dont forget to get han sig too 
Imagine
im new how am i pulling both vera and selena 💔 (i could but i would brick my dmc savings)
Sigless hanying is bad but
imagine sigless han with vergil phys
saving for dmc kinda brick anyway
Hanyingless sig is worse
lotus is fire 
💔
dumpster fire
i cant skip dmc as a dmc3 glazer sorry (why didnt they add the dmc3 movesets instead)
Yeah you're just gonna have to deal with it
(I have like 200 hours in the franchise if I can skip so can u)
and s0 alisa 
I see I walked into a brick house
cuz dmcv is far more popular and its not even close
actually
should i just pull selena too
and cope with a ss vergil sigless and s dante sigless
i js want them for the combos not meta anyways
ikr
Okay
DMC is doing terrible things to accounts LOL
Do that then
ong
pull the wife
but is it a good idea or my acc cant get saved from bricking with that
is the anni banner at the start of the patch?
mate just build the damn house already
Think so
LMFAOOOO
💔
Whelf said 6th i think,i could be wrong tho
damn right at the start
i was hoping it would be near the end so i could get more bc 
Jokes aside, as long as you’re having fun, don’t take the brick comments to heart
Good thing you’re not playing for meta!
Almost a month hopefully i can get luna

I hate when month goes first lol, makes no sense
just get her from thunderbolt 
I need the zaza qu3en
if i only have solacetune and epitaph and im close to getting either vera or selena, do i pull one and save for dmc or pull both and pray for dmc, i dont want to brick my acc at all tbf
but i want vergil at least
Im getting han from there
Altho i could get luna there and hanying from anni banner
Doesnt rly matter
Im getting the same 2 units
both
Well vera supports dante and rn is a little more versatile but midlena is necessary for phys and glacio
man why did they have to put the collab at the same time as anni banner 💔 now i gotta skip one of them
you did not just slander selena like that
Skip dmc make ur life easier
i started playing for dmc bro i cant just let it go like that
Oh that mid crippled piano?
Before I hypertune, Selena pianissimo build is 4pc burana and 2pc cottie?
Ah fair
Cottie bottom row i hope
But yeah also harmo cottie to get 4pc
Yeah i got it
Is there any priority for hypertuning? Since she's physical
Also what resonances do I aim for
Might get luna from thunderbolt and hanying from anni banner because i NEED zaza
I mean ideally all
I’m swiping for anni, I’m not ffking around
Atttack crit and core passive
Fair
Ill see how my luck is
I just need ss3 bianca tbh
anniv? im grabbing ss3 nanami, pyro and han 
What is nanami memory set for plasma team
Whel
Hi im new so i have a few things to ask here,
does this game allows unions/ guilds if so what are the roles the guild has like leader sub leader and officers etc and
does it allow PvP killings?
tell me more about the game
Wait I thought you could only pick one
I j grabbed nanami finally have plasma team
I would love tjose ss3's but i gotya be patient
Nono infinite i think
wz? hershell heisen
THIS CHANGES THINGS

Which should I get 4 of and thank y
i forgot
u just increase rate for 1 untill u get it
but ofc u can swap 
U boutta big swipe?
let's say i wanna build
LD + Echo + Kaleido
what memories should i use for kaleido and echo if ld is my main dps?
i'm not sure if 4 da vinci for both is good idea
there are guilds
they mainly just exist for the weekly sim siege gamemode
how many players can be throw into a guild?
it's got I think 3 tiers of member, no pvp
quite a few
600?
For zaza does luna gain anything from ranks (ss and ss3?)
whole game is pve with ladder systems
guild has sieges: 3 stages:
- set of uniframes
- random A ranks
- random S ranks
Guild has maximum of 80members
around 50
Absolutely
okay thank you
s ranks are usually one new one and few older ones
but ye
Then you can keep selecting the one you want?
Fabulous
80's the cap I think
infinite uses so yeah
if u have pity from last anniv banner then it retains
Whelf
personal damage and that's it
Ah okay
which isn't all that useful if you're using it for ppc/wz
No ish boosts either
nah since she is qte bot there
Should I use qte bot for selena as a place holder until I get hanying?
Ig ss will be enough then
ish ss3 enhances her observation notes
Does her sig do anything for qte bot?
Whats that-
observation notes is the class swap buff
Ah k
y'know how she does a debuff while imitating tank n stuff
i mean, do you have another choice?
Yup
rosetta!
she's who you (should've) picked from the silly beginner selector anyway that only goes through old chars
Ig luna might stay sigless....
if you're only using her for zaza ya
otherwise she does definitely need it for nihil
I will use her for nihil aswell but i think vera nana and selena first
What do I build on qte bot and is there a specific character to get?
rosetta
Don't have her
And then ss3 bianca aswell, i really hope liv doesnt need ss3...
who tf did you pick from the old char starter selector thing
she's on the begginer s rank selector
Well ppl told me it doesn't matter since all of them are outdated and mid
bro wat is zaza
they are WRONG
when you mix elements using luna
Oh damn
whys it called that lolll
zaza is using luna's class passive to utilize the buffs/debuffs of off-element units
She makes debuffs universal
cause zaza
Very valuable
Simply skip anniv 
Basucally like wanshi ice shred is made universal with luna
i might ngl
there's always next year 
whens the anni

next patch
start of dmc
Here
....
better get your missing nanaknight kids
still a little pissed they decided to smash two of the most important updates together, but on a single patch
gotta do wat u gotta do ig
Do I have no other option?
Ima sleep cuz reset soon so malding wz hehe
storm 
nanami storm 💀
Gn gen help
gn bro
Gn
I just wanna ask. Does it matter who I pick? Qte bot is there only for the qte set buff and not to be switched on field anyway, Right?
newer units = stronger debuffs
is it known when selena and vera are becoming obtainable again? idk what to do, if to try to pull both or just pull one because i wanna save for dmc too
powercreep is real in this game
Wouldn't that require to switch them on field and the switch to dps? Or does qte trigger their debuff aside from qte set?
just pull on basic and hope you get them 
the next time they show up would be on a 70% return banner broski
impossible 💔
qte triggers debuffs
get lucky
do i just pull both then if i dont want to die on endgame
I got lucky and got a solacetune copy on a random blue card pity 🙂
y e s .
ight ill just cope with a ss vergil sigless and s dante sigless
unusable but atleast funny combos ig
physical is cooked without pianissimo and vera is peak anyway
r physical teams that needed
😭
you will probably see a ppc/wz physical stage almost every week
oh
i only have 49 pity and +12k bc idk how am i pulling both tho
dawg 0 to 60 is 15k
stronghold gvies 3k bc if you didnt do it yet
Prob solacetune but only after dmc
why only after
i have the ticket already
oh i might be saved from bricking then
you're literally like 5k bc off which isn't hard at all
physical is cooked without han and alisa
Then Solacetune for physical and true slash
alisa's free tho so shush
Fire has alot of good options besides Pyroath
Plasma beam is cooked without her tho
yeah i didnt do it yet
and the remaining tickets for vera ig i can get em from cw but im scared cuz ppl told me im going to fall asleep on that mode
just do tundra you can max it in an hour
do derived from matrix or tundra instead pls
im lvl 64 😭
cursed waves is like fantasia
put like an audiobook in the background or smth
you will come out with depression
well hurry up and get it to 110 then
k ill use bc for serum recharge then (im joking im not bricking the acc that hard)
Is there a place in the kit I can read how it works?
Also what do I build on storm
i meaan i only need 10 pulls from it, im not 100%'ing it
ingame tutorial / cecilia's class
and for build do /build (frame) in #📨・bot-info
I think the qte thing is explained in the fos stages
is the only way to lvl up fast to burn serum in the simulated battlefield
why is it when i watch guides on Qu, they do 3 ping into 1 orb and instant gain 6 orb ( double 3 ping ) while i mostly get 4 orbs , is it related to her signature weapon ? as in unusable with the 5* weap ?
guide missions
being an instructor has mad gains
assuming your students don't drop within a couple weeks
im an student tho
weekly
oh nice its soon then
guide, bro
you're like 2 levels off from instructor 🤷♂️
oh
ye ik its js that i did every mission already
then wait a few hours
how much lvl do i get from allat tho
a lot
if its +16 then im saved
at least like 2
oh 💔
Got 3 students and they all quit the game so I kicked them out
getting selena and vera better be worth it enough to only be able to get vergil ss from the collab
frrr they all get to like 65 and quit
dawg even if you didn't even get vergil like 2 patches later we're getting a true slash A rank
SCISSOR WOMAN
funny if discord powercreeps a collab character lmao
she doesn't
I doubt they'd have A rank powercreep S rank.
iirc someone said it was like 9m vergil wz to like 3.4m or smth
a rank tho
good luck using her in wz
she has timelag so like not THAT bad
tbh i dont even glaze dmc that much so i might be fine with only vergil ss and dante s for collection
cuz skipping vera and selena wont do good for my acc as yall said
its just "1/3 of the score" bad
It won't, skipping dmc would prob benefit your account more 
can someone explain how orbs work ? on guides on lets say Qu i see them get infinite orb somehow and i dont get how to mimick the rotations
🤷♂️ so long as I can retain hero I don't mind
sig + dlt mayhaps
infinitas awaken + dlt on sig
😭 well im happy if after pulling vera and selena i can still somehow get enough for vergil
qu is very orb hungy
you get like 11k during the dmc patch
oh nice thats enough then
that's assuming you're maxing all ur weeklies and stuff
so without sig characters are unplayable 💀 cool game
ye ill do
specifically qu
not unplayable just inconvenient
every other character works fine without dlt
only like luna pyroath and qu feel THAT bad without sig
oh boi
You can get pretty far without sig just won't be abyssal tier
take for example nanaknight and new vera are both recent units who DON'T need their sig to perform
Nah characters are still usable without sigs, they just do better with them.
thank god sigs r "permament" instead of going to reruns
ye im not talking meta wise just normal gameplay, Qu doesnt feel playable
unless its collab 
ye without her sig lucid dreamer is the ice dps
she just fills his downtime
speaking of which lets hope dmc gets a rerun cuz i really dont wanna skip anni
yeah
i gotta play vergil and dante without their sigs forever but the combos r still there
using one extreme example like qu.
I'm planning on going into dmc with over 100k 
HOWEVER you can still do 1 full rot with her
it takes a bit of practice but it is possible to do
how good pull value does selena and vera has tho
i gotta know before using my savings on em
they are meta and will be meta for a WHILE
spare me like 10k bro you wont need it
oh nice
i see
Vera has the most pull value in the game
As of right now anyway
even more than nanami?
They're both very comparable
luna zaza go brrrr
oh
guys how do i make my fire team not poopoo when i only have vera ss0
Especially with Startrail being in like 3 different affix teams
can someone help a noob? haha
you cope until you can get epitaph from bianca selector 🤣
Kamui for this one.
cope with what bro nobody gives good shred 😭
bridget I think?
ty s2
im using her and still bad in ppc
that's cope for you 🤷♂️
there aren't many good fire replacements that you can actually get without 🧱
pulling empyrea in the big 2025
40 seconds on knight bro what the hell 💔
New player! Just a few questions...
got my first team but the guide here from grayravens website is showing a completely different team whom I can't find the units of [Selena]. Is this outdated?
should I go out of my way to get nanami startrail weapon? (saving for DMC collab as well)
I have all these packs but I'm trying to be careful who to get from these packs. Any recommendations?
isnt empyrea an amp
ye it was example
yeah its outdated
pls do not follow grayravens
use the build bot here
/build (frame)
Main DPS Set
Main DPS
High Difficulty, Pain Cage, Warzone, Clash Reflection, Norman
General DPS set
Used for S0-SS3
4x Diesel
2x Cottie
Top Slot : 6x Basic Atk
Bottom Slot: 6x Any ATK+15 Variant
Cottie
LOL
oh
I've been following the general help tips but not the characters to unlock. I did my own searching and saw startrail was a good unit to unlock now. Seems like the game wants me to go in that direction too because of the free Lucia and feral
yes startrail is a very good unit
cw and feral are free from thunderbolt manual (lightning)
lucid dreamer and kaleido are free from dorm (ice)
lilith is free from instatiable reasearch (dark)
Thank you
you can fill in the gaps with A ranks or whatever until you get the meta units
Eyy thanks so much
as for the 5 star weapon packs it doesn't really matter bc you can get whatever 5 star you want within a few days via that one daily mission
and I forgor who's on each S rank selector
don't bother pulling nanaknight's sig until you've got a better character foundation for your teams
As for nanami startrail's weapon, should I chase it? Saving for dmc but as a new player I feel like I can get away with being a little greedy at the start
Make sure when you get that free weapon selector to get tonitrus out of it
Ah okay. You answered my question then
yes when you get the one 6 star selector please pick tonitrus
Just a follow up, what do you mean better character foundation? Filling up all the other elements I need?
ye getting some of the folks from the meta teams
except for dark because they're getting replaced soon enough
Gocha
only applies to daren now bc the cnteams thing got updated finally
didnt notice
our glorious bianca is being represented
what damage does glow affix even do anyway
lightning
it is legit plasma 2.0
waste of dev time
where's our disruption content kuro
wait it even updated geiravor to main dps of fire that's so funny
even tho it only applies to with sig
isnt that also true for qu 
yes except she's at least attacker role
geiravor is literally
No one realized how strong Geiravor was lol
With sig and SS one ult is like 42000%
If it was 42k% she'd be the best damage dealer in the game and she's not. I'm not sure where this 42k is coming from. 
lv 25 brings her ult up to 7000%
SS does that 3x
Sig multiplies that by 2x
How does base dmg scale?
I'm happy to be wrong but 42k% seems WAY too high.
idk that seems to be pretty true from what I'm looking at
Also goes well with calcs from my alt
At S0 her ult does significantly less damage
What’s the difference between ignition and fire
Seperate element basically
Ahh ok
Also anyone know what the memory set for startrail in plasma team is I just got her
Just use her lightning build
I don’t know what her lightning build is
ele res applies to affix
any unit dont need it, some just lose a lot of damage, but still you can play and get most rewards
What memories is that?
lucid, kaleido, epitaph, echo (if you don't count free tonitrus), nanaknight, geiravor, feral, crimson weave...
and that's of the meta ones
Build should look like this
Bless
Is this atk and sig??
all of them dont need it at all, esp lucid dreamear
yup
kaleido too, she just qte bot
startrail does good enough damage to have sig over additional shred
if you mean that they need sigs to compete for higher scores then sure, but 90% players dont do it
most just clears for rewards, and if you dont score a lot you still dont miss much rewards, just a little small amount of them
You really only need 5 main dps characters with sigs to clear all content honestly
those were the ones I think don't need it kek
ok, but i guess you understand my point
Does Norman's Revival Plan give more rewards after level 85?
How often is the nihil team in wz and ppc, do I have to pull both Ishmael and oblivion for the team?
No
Nihil weaknesses boss in Phantom Pain Cage is basically nonexistent
If there was one, it's in the Intensive Battle difficulty
i guess oblivion good fot dark
For Warzone, you would only need either one of Parhelion or Oblivion to do good in Nihil warzone stage
But you can also bruteforce your strongest elemental team in Nihil Warzone stage for a decent score
The off-element damage penalty for the other element in Nihil warzone isn't as huge as the other stage
You can make it work
Noice
Just be aware that it's obvious that you're going to get outperform by the actual Nihil team
So do this work Ishmael, grevaior, Lilith?
Unless you're competing against someone who just smashes and spam random button
(they're a lot more common than you think)
You definitely want to use an attacker for this team, otherwise Parhelion Class Passive skill won't work
Ohh hey that's me xd
Parhelio class passive skills requires your team to have an attacker/annihilator and either a Tank or A support
To make the team adaptable to Parhelion
In this case, you want to use Daemonissa, Parhelion adapts as a Tank, and one attacker of your choice (preferably have similar element type as your support)
Daemonissa or Geiravor, whichever one works for you as a support
Both of them are good nonetheless
Gotcha but not at the same time
These Nihil element characters are quite confusing most of the time
This might help you understand how Parhelion class passive works
Or
If that's too much to learn for now, you can just be a team of Jetavie, Ishmael: Parhelion and Lilith: Daemonissa as a Nihil team
Wait, isn't that dark team if Ishmael acts as a tank?
Oh
Who should I use the midsummer S choice on? Im between epitaph and kaleido
kaleido is free bro why would you spend it on her 💔
There's also, stigamata and shukra
why on earth would you get stigmata
Idk
in phys she's trash compared to pianissimo and in true slash vergil's about to replace her in a week or two
shukra unless you can magically pull out a sig doesn't have quite as much value as epitaph
since you can run epi sigless

whereas you're gonna have dead time even with shukra in ice if you don't have her sig
you can run her sigless too
???
you can't get the universal buffs without her

and you can get epitah for vouchers soon, for free
But you don't need to
"whereas you're gonna have dead time even with shukra in ice if you don't have her sig"
not really, unless you like him more
ye but it's still a pretty big loss
"soon" as in like 3 patches or something from now 💀
2-3 patches for global yeah, but it's more efficient to get qu, esp for f2p
that way you dont waste selector on free unit
my brother I can tell you from experience even with ss3 lucid and sigless shukra your ice team is going to SUCK
that's pretty silly given BEFORE he'll be voucher-able you'll get another selector
suck how exactly? i wont get all rewards?
in ice ppc last week that team scored lower than my nihil 🙂
so you dont have all rewards?
I got through 1.55m and that's about it
but that was again with my nihil beating up emperor instead of ice
so how much rewards you lost?
the extra 36 skulls for getting up to 1.8m, essentially making it the same as advanced ppc but with more bc
1.55m is the break-even point
and usually ppls got all that additional 36 skulls?
or most dont?
depends on where you are in the game
like typical f2p player who plays for year or so
🤷♂️ most of the people talking here are either new, at about my level, or vets
this is like my third or fourth week in uppc only and I'm struggling due to having a few weak teams
1.69m here
as along as i can grab bc am fine with it tho
extra 90 bc
ye it's an extra 15 a week relative to advanced ppc during triples
my point is, that's you dont lose 36 skulls but less, esp if you newer player, that's the case for few patches for them. So point that she wont score that well not working, there's no real need to score higher, and in worse case scenario you lose like 10% skulls
your point falls apart when the exact same logic is applied to epitaph though?
should i give up on shorthalt? my fire team is so weak i dont even know if i can get 1.55m 
wats ur team?
ss0 vera no sig, bridget and sophia
your main point is that he WILL be free, however before he becomes voucherable you're going to have another selector that lets you hit shukra regardless so it makes more sense to choose the more f2p friendly unit
wont lie that scorpion is bit tanky even my pyro didnt 600k
complete fire team vs ice team which is going to be a bit weak regardless
not really, you can use other units instead of him and still get good enough scores, and almost identical in wz, also if you waste selector on free unit you waste resources as f2p, you can take other not free unit instead
I'm itching to get her from thunderbolt but everyone's saying hanying is a better choice
well do u have selena?
"you can use other units instead of her (shukra) and still get good enough scores" 🙂
with the time you need to get enough vouchers for 50 shards as a f2p, i dont think i could call him free tbh
exactly
and he keeps calling him free despite that being literally like 4-5 months away, which again, WE'LL GET ANOTHER SELECTOR THROUGH SHUKRA BEFORE THAT
i guess newer player have enough before he appear in voucher shop? also they dont need to sss anyone else
What do you mean "loss"
There's no loss
no they wont
loss for nihil scores?
big stagger
All Parhelion, Daemonissa and Jetavie gets 100% buff utilization
why?
cuz you wont get enough vouchers for 50 shards in 2 patches
Well of course Mr. Obvious
They have a score loss because they DON'T HAVE Oblivion
Duh
which is... exactly what I said lmao
a loss of opportunity
you get enough in first week of playing, isnt we talking about new player?
you dont
Sure.
That's what you said before
You don't even know what you're talking about
in response to you responding to me saying nihil doesn't exist without luna
It exists
40k vouchers for 50 shards idk about you but i didnt get that in a week
That's what I'm saying
which it kinda doesn't AS YOU AGREED there is a sizeable score loss
so i guess you dont do everything in game
We're playing 2 different game at this point
I'll agree what I said was an oversimplification but to say I'm outright wrong is kind of just being pedantic
This whole patch only gives us 36k vouchers
can I still use emprea? Because I'm saving for alter alter Bianca...
Also that is a horrible way to use them
Or pull vera, and save
why would u need to save for 2 patches for new bianca 💔
You can use Ishmael instead
Don't have Ismael
Because you are
I'm a returning player, I remember pulling the baddie alpha skin and got broke
and its a triple patch, normally it wouldnt be that much
Exactly
al's being a goober
Because I love Bianca❤️
and a lot of vouchers are also on the bp which you cant max in a week so
SSS incoming lol

you get few login events that reward vouchers, a lot of new player missons and few permanent game mods
Wdym?
SSS Bianca incoming
Yeah, I'm saving for her
Still a terrible way to use vouchers
ok bro but a lot of those vouchers are gonna be going to the objectively better choice which is lucid
Alter alter Bianca, that's how I call her
And I'm pretty sure some of those gamemodes a re level locked
you dont really need to sss him too
and, AGAIN, before he becomes "free" WE GET ANOTHER SELECTOR
ss3 is still rather expensive kek
Is Ismael free? Because when it's still nanami alter patch, I heard it will be free
no
45828
No gacha only
well that would do it
Is she a prio in the standard banner? The free s selection restarted
Yea I need to finish stronghold
nanaknight
not sure that you need ss3 too
Startrail is the highest prio but Ishmael is close behind
Already pulled her nanami?
startrail
ss3 lucid is the current highest prio use of vouchers
Good for score so why not
you dont need epitaph ss3 either
Already got her
why? isnt it like top priority to get first copy of actually good unit from there? instead of making other's better?
is there any pattern to how characters are added in voucher shop?do we get anyone new in future?
What should I get tho, or just save for it
Have you got pyroath?
Yes
pov: you keep ignoring the fact that we'll get a selector that gives us him/shukra in 1 piece
And the daddy affair of Bianca
no
every good unit there is free lmao
(basically just lilith and lucid)
cause ain't nobody wasting vouchers on upgrading alisa
not really, only lilith, lucid. kaelido, cw, feral and echo
every good unit as in the ones who are actually useful
The go for ishmael on blue banner
yeah and you're not using any unit aside from those
cuz the rest are all outdated
no one knows uh?
we get epitaph in 2 patches
Will it get updated? If new patch arrived
great!
but epitah more recent one, so he just better and esp in long run
he's not though
why?
so there's gonna be another one till shukra only? i though it have more units that you can chose
but you get her without vouchers
yes I've said this like 3 times already 😭
Wait can we get the character in a single patch?
YOU ALSO GET EPITAPH WITHOUT VOUCHERS BRO
which I've ALSO been saying
By grinding
in sync patches yes you get enough bc to pull both featured chars
@atomic arch this
bro
if it's only till shukra then yeah, no matter who you pick now
Are we getting an s selector soon
after dmc
duh, i'm saying that i'm not been sure that it's till shukra only, maybe with more chars to pick, so you pick them instead of wata
so it's just misunderstanding
"not been sure" we told you 5 times 
not really, and no one said before that selector till shukra, other person said that i can get shukra there, but not till what char that selector
Should I get sig for startrail or daemonissa first
Startrail
Thanks
Lilith Sig is free from the event shop
Yeaaaa I accidentally used it
So now I gotta pull for her sig 😭
What am I supposed to do to stop the scorpion from exploding and killing me in ppc
used? for harmony? or you recycled it?
For harmony lmao
That's some next level bricking
Nah we good
its ok he has money
I get like 1k cards a day ngl
wtf
me 96 bc a day
Damn
where's the 6 coming from
Scary
Does SSS bridget no sig greater than S wata no sig?
doubt
nah
🧱🧱🧱
Better get it on one pity lmao
When will it end tho? To bad I started late this patch
I’m abt to hit pity dw just need a few more days
we aren't sure
there's gonna be like one more double maybe
dmc is a single patch tho
that's maybe for like SSS or smth insane like that
Ohh
but for pulling a SINGLE (technically 2 you get a free one) copy
Hmmm Vergil....
it's 10.5k
I need...
Free Vergil?
for both sparda brothers when you pull them you get a free copy
up to 2 times for each
so SS for pulling one vergil and uhhhh idk what you'd end up with after pulling a second
Also can I still use Bianca alter?
for what? phys? true slash?
Both?
phys she's been THOROUGHLY outclassed by pianissimo
and true slash you need decent invest for her to be worth using
(also if you pull vergil he replaces her there)
Dayum
and when the discord patch comes to global she'll probably be replaced regardless
she is living on borrowed time rn
Can I rearrange the combat UI where the character switch icons are placed next to each other/horizontal rather than stacked on top of each other/vertical?
somewhere in the settings
you can customize the ui
unfortunately you cant
Does it really affect me if I stayed with Bianca alter? My only concern was getting the rewards of a certain stages if I didn't beat it
for true slash not really, if you have her sss with sig dlt
ah yes casual SSS
Should I still get Virgil when I should prioritize getting some sigs and bianca
you can pretty safely skip ngl
But he doesn't rerun
What about phy
who said about casual, idk how much copies he have
that's for you to determine the value of
wont work
he's obviously pretty new given he's worried about getting all stage rewards
I still need like 66frag to sss Bianca alter haven't done the voucher thing
can be returning player
vergil despite being phys kinda SUCKS at doing phys
he is essentially just a true slash unit
only S wanshi 💀
Damn
depends on how much resources you have, if you new then you have a lot of bc and orange cards, so you wont lose much if you get both dmc characters SS with sigs
Still grinding... I was really lazy asf I started 2.5 years
