#📨・general-help
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Me when the indie company shouldn't give us easy to give features and not ignore game mechanics

Listen here
If a dev makes a mistake, that's a feature
If a player makes a mistake, that's a crime which deserves a ban

Have some eggs
Nothing happened on 30th June 2025
Let me now continue to play my 10 years old 2D Turn based gacha game
Nah that's was pure fault of the players who actually were stupid enough to think that weekly free serum pack suddenly started to give 3k tickets

Good on you Targeting me as a stupid

Frfr, totally not kuro that fked up
Bleeh
I mean claiming that and using it?

chat, does lucia pyroath work well together with vera geiravor?
Kuro just testing to see if they could make this kind of "mistake" in the future.
Btw Your monthly pay from kuro?
Kuro did nth wrong, its just the lobotomite troglodytes thinking the devs r generous
Whose weapon should be harmonized first? I have 6* on startrail, selena, alisa, lucia
both are fire so yeah
thanks
10k RC why?
And 4k per kill
I mean ban
But irl
I see
Alisa and Startrail first cuz they hold memories which help the entire team
Then Selena and Lucia
Also 🐳
I use startrail as a dps so im gonna harmonize alisa
?
What form of thinking is this

Man im banging the king
Yo who do I spend my ppc skulls on
I got nanami, vera , oblivion and cw
Tf happening here?
nanami
Shenanigans
Everyone but Nanami first 
Then Vera
CW doesnt need, actually
I just returned to pgr where do i farm basic tickets?
And Oblivion, isnt priority, especially if you also have Parhelion
Story dailies weeklies?
I dont mean bc
blue tickets?
Yep
That blue one you mean?
They give it as rewards for weeklies
I need to do a 10 pull to get pyroath
theres some from operation guardian, some from challenge
Ye
some tutorial
And operation guardian, yeah
What challenge?
Tbh I still ain't that convinced with nanami
Her damage is ok
It ain't the nuke level I expected
That fos challenge maybee
Ic
did u do fos
She is...I didn't believe it at first until she blinded me with her bright ass animations.
On SS she becomes, she basically doubles her damage
Broo wdym she melt evrything
I mean I think that it's kind of a Nuke level.
Idk which one u are talking about

Can u send ss

She needs 6 star I assume
Its the game mechanics exams
Oh
tutorial
I think i dod all wxcept tge last one
Nop, though the 6* also doubles her dmg
and allows her extra orbs so she truly can solo for entire warzone
theres some in weekly activity mission
Bruh is there a way to farm weapon tickets cuz I ain't that rich to spend bc on weapon banner
Its with bc mostly, but she doesnt need it
dont think theres a way iirc
Usually you get get your S-rank with yellow tickets and the rest in bc
Any tips on how to lvl up cursed waves fast? or guide
Check pins
what should be wanshi's bottom resoannce?
pins? how to check sorry im new in discord
Signature
Are you in PC or mobile?
I cant do last one cuz skill issue🥀
not class skill?
for pc
Rn im on pc i play pgr on my tablet
ohhh okii thank youuu
Any tips guys
this stage?
Found it thank you so muchh
Actually, for pain cage yeah, but elsewhere, no
Ye
but general its sig?
Yeah
Helo
Helo
Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
idk maybe its just skill issue
maybe try focusing on doing damage with vera? idk
Is there a recommended bp or something?
its fixed team
no its garnet
Wait who told you to pull Wanshi?
from dorm?
dmc is in augus
yes in dorm i grinded for a week
for 100k dispatch points
Ok.
i lowkey wanna fully invest in him-
He is gonna be your ice tank for a long time so feel free.
i forgot tanks do tons of damage...
Its just gen 2-3 characters, they are all cracked.
better than what fire emblem heroes does
i came back after 2019 and my god
power creep city
Every game has some form of power creep, it's just how its handled.
i mean ill give kuro credit, rigor and empreya last long than some other gacha units in other games
Is it worth spending a guaranteed on Ishamel?
like, the one on Member Target? nanami better
I'm still in doubt whether I should take a character from each team first, because the alpha already has an electric character, which already carries a lot with the free weapon
im scared
nanami is absolutely the best pick from there
yes you already have a CW, but her meta relevance is abysmal dogpoop.
nanami is:
- cheap to build
- easy to play
- literally better than every other lightning unit by a mile, even though shes a tank
- shes a tank so survivability
- is used in like 4-5 different teams
she is absolutely, the single most valuable unit in the game
https://huaxu.app/eu/players/25521947/characters look.
Would 5 star weapon vera take much field time
Explore the 45 characters of Toad from the Europe server of Punishing: Gray Raven.
compared to my others..
one rot vera, which is short. and weapon doesnt matter for her
You use her the same as if she did have her wep.
general chat is a couple floors down
you go here when you need advice 
vera 4 dv???
ayup
4DV 2 guin
The hervor build is more for main dps
Nope, everyone in the fire team rotates between each other.
wtf no. you swap to her, do one rotation, and then swap back later
dv does not immedietly mean qte bot, just that her damage isnt crazy
but she can do good damage with the dps set
thing is, you wont be using that one cause you have a pyroath
i feel bad getting a new unit just for it to be... qte focus build
i know you do one rot and it isnt the best but like
Release wata... tank...
if your vera is high invest, you can also consider swapping watas and veras build (so wata DV, and vera shakespear)
aaah i will NEVER dv wata!!!!
so dv pyroath 
(for legal reasons this is a joke)
I owe pain cage skulls and they aint even recall any 😭
next level poverty
class skill and atk right
yuhh
any infinitas orb..
@proud jay Sorry for ping, how many skulls are needed to ss a character?
500
500
you need 30 shards
the first 10 will cost 10 each (so 100)
and the last 20 will ccost 20 skkulls each (so 400)
also dw about the ping , i get too many from this server anyway 
Comrades are there any shards in the shard store thing I should buy before refresh?
You able to post a screenshot of what you are talking about?
Who would u recommend I go for I started like 2 days ago got: Nanami, Alpha, feral and vera
Should I go Echo? Or Lucid on the 40th pull standard.
Neither, they are both free.
Selena Pianissimo is a good option.
what teams could i be looking to run, my friend said to get Luna oblivion
What banner you talking about?
Yes ofcourse one moment
the thunderbolt research one
In that case, Startrail or Pyroath tbf
i got startrail
It doesn't reset for another 23 days so you are fine on that part and @gritty shore Just posted a prio list for you.
Apparently a meta team is Feral, alpha and startrail my friend told me it
Then, I think Pyroath is the 2nd best option
isnt luna oblivion better
How many teams do i need for endgame
Not really, Luna's perk is that she can make different elements converge, but she must occupy the "attacker" position of that team
So what teams could I look to be running
Look at the bot above
These are the meta teams
also there's option to run zaza aka unconventional teams that just works, aka abusing mechanic of luna oblivion class ( making shred and buffs univeral )
k I can make one rn
if u aren't quite invested on meta teams or lacking units
For the fire team who could I replace for Epiptah
Startrail
Am i able to run the same units twice if I need 2 teams?
Is this resonance good for her?
In warzone yes, in pain cage no
Bridget would be a fine alternative if you need to use Nana elsewhere.
What endgame modes are there to clear?
Though tbf Watanabe and Qu'll be free in 2 weeks so shouldnt be a concern
tomorrow*
Doesnt tomorrow only unlock the tasks for it?
👀

how will I get them?
Doing that Blissful Gift event
isn't that just one?
Kk
Yeah, you pick one or another
How much does selling a 6* wep give ?
so who should I take
Plz don't sell 6* weps, use them as resonance.
Dont do that, use it as resonance material instead
Lmao I wasn’t I’m just asking
this game scrapping into making new one is always 3:1
be it memories, weapons, cubs etc
Who do I take - wantanabe epitah?
Both options are equal I'd say:
Watanabe is best fire tank and cheap to build
Qu is the only one needed to complete the ice team (Wanshi and Alisa are free) but expensive as heck to build
kk I will take wantanabe
so my final teams will look like:
Startrail, feral and crimsion weave
Vera, pyroth and epitah
Two full teams from the jump, that's pretty good.
Pick Pianissimo too, you'll be able to get a glaciation team for the go
where do I pick him from?
From current banner, the same you got Vera
There is a select option to change it from Vera to Selena
yh
Was there ever a double drop event for simulation, chat?
Who would I run Selena with?
what rank are they and where I get them from
Dorm shop and voucher tickets, but hold off on voucher tickets for Alisa for now.
Both are S-ranks, from the dorm
the dorm is peak someone told me to get the guy with the gun
That's Wanshi.
Thanks @gritty shore @normal night !
you run selena and qu with wanshi/alisa team?
For Glacio.
Nop, only Selena
kk
Qu is Wanshi/Kaleido
forgot abt that
can I still run qu with alisa if I can't get kaleido, since she's free anyways
Blame Kuro for naming them Ayla and Alisa, tbh I think Lena was a better name for Echo
Using any amp can work to fill a role since they buff atk and elemental on swaps but there will be better options.
Not really, they are different elements, and Kaleido is free too
So 3 teams:
Startrail, crimson weaver, feral
Vera, Pyroath - from the research, Epimtah - from the blessed gift
Selena - from banner, Wanshi + alissa - from dorm
o I didn't see that
Do collabs ever comeback ?
How do I get the coins I need from the dorm quickly
reminds me someone said to get tonitrus with some free 6 star weapon selector you get, but do I wanna bother doing that instead of something else if I have no use for alisa rn?
Honestly, I wouldn't expect DMC to come back.
Did Nier ever comeback ?
They did but not for Glb.
That’s so weird 😭
Its a collab, they arent meant to rerun because Kuro doesnt own the ip
So Kuro cant sell them outside of permission
How do I get the coins I need for the dorm characters quickly
If u can rerun something in one version and not the other then don’t rerun at all
Keep upgrading the dorm and doing the daily commissions
It’s kinda unfair
how long do u think it will take me
Around 2-3 weeks
It is what it is, those reruns were so long ago too. There would be no point in rerunning them now anyways, they would be PURELY collection.
And meta players who usually splash the cash wouldn't look at them twice.
if they didn't have them already
if I only ss the collab chars will they be garbage?
what endgame content is available in PGR?
Uhhhh
Depression
Yeah
Norman, PPC, Warzone, Babel if that still exists?
If you follow the story, yeah
Only Collab? I mean why only Collab? Get other characters too
Rogue like (if you are not rushing) war zone, Phantom phain and mining
Stronghold too
I'm sure they will be fine in their niche but outside of that nah.
Ngl, Norman and Stronghold could be removed from this list we made due to gen 2-3, they just say nah not today.
no reading comprehension?
thats every char
then ask better
Is that how you speak to others?
It's not the same, the brothers are affix dps, while Physical/elemental teams can be used in more content than just Intensive battle PPC and WZ HERO+
yeah I just did
I have to say this game has the best animations and kit designs out of any gacha I just wished it was open world
I see. Have a good day then.
The brothers can even be replaced without much trouble in their own niche, Pyroath or SS3 Nanami can replace Dante, and Sitgmata/Hanying can do without Vergil
And yes they'll be trash at just SS rank
I know, even at high ascension theyre not good for their element
I meant for their affix
without virgin u just dont play ts 
Which you can play glaciation instead, right? So yeah, ts kinda dead affix
in wz u just skip ts without virgin, for ppc u just 580k with glacio/ion
no
That's what I am talking about, in their niche aka their Affix they will be decent or maybe good at SS but that's about it. AKA only two types of content.
Yeah, the Collab units are definitely not worth it unless someone's a hardcore fan. Too bad they're only Affix types of units.
And their Fire and Physical ain't as good as others.
dantes fire dmg is kinda decent but vergils phys dmg sucks
They're just okay.
Better to get other units instead.
If you're not a fan.
By that I mean save for other units instead.
if I do use them for element content, how bad will my scores be?
Pretty much half the score with meta DPS or even less
do we know when is the next check event refresh
If you use them in their own Affix then it'll be good. The point is that the Collab units don't have signature memories so their damage is gonna be lackluster. Hence lower damage compared to current units.
no one knows. but the genereal guess is that its gonna be a yearly thing, so still a long time
oh, I see
why not
that sucks
never knew it was a yearly thing, thank yew
Yes it does suck
We can't say for certain its a yearly thing.
are we sure of this
When Im rolling stats for characters sets, is it okay to use the blue things?
Yeah, they are already out in CN so wr have footage
I assume the blue things have a lower chance of giving good stats?
Yes
Nope, its all random
same chance
Should I hypertune them all after?
Ideally yes, but prioritize DPS units first
understood
Because its expensive
Depends on the charater and your currency total.
pretty sure blue coins are the most commonly used
Thank you frens
I'm happy that it's easier to get the right stats on PGR.
Current total of hypertune materials or current total of characters?
Hypertune
Then you have me who spent wz points every week on memory auto-resonator

I did that with vouchers

spent like 12k
I mean what else you gonna buy with WZ currency.
Yea
also im pretty sure I always get the resonance cards fom wz shop, what else sould I buy
Nothing else tbh, just grab the highest discounted red usbs and call it a week.
it has usb?
Weapon usb nop, its only from Norman
Is Pianissmo worth pulling? Or is she the same role as Vergil?
cause I think they are both physical dps...?
Worth pulling, not same role as Vergil
ah
They are red usbs.
thats not a usb
understood, do you recommend pulling her for someone somewhat new? or are the upcoming units better
OMG, i just noticed it
What’s YC in pgr
I thought it was just a colored edge of the card
Every new unit is worth pulling
^^
Got it
how many elements and affixes are there?
These
thats 11 teams with 3 roles each so 33 roles that can get a new meta, if a new one comes out every month then every unit should have a lifespan of 33 months so around a year and a half
That to not consider selectors, they cut a slack too
from what ive heard the avg lifespan is 3 times that
im missing smth
do they release non meta changing units
A ranks
there are months where they release only a ranks?
Yeah
Before Sync, we had A rank and S rank patches separate
how often is it?
Every other 3-4 months, I'd say
hmm
Though before Jetavie we got Yata and Bridget, they were caught in the synchronization
We just had one, technically Jetavie
then its a 44 month lifespan at best per unit
it was just involved in the Sync.
still less than 2 years
Yeah, meta lasts a while here.
Unless your Mech nanami and Lamia xD
from what ive seen avg lifespan of units used to be higher
maybe i still counted wrong
are a ranks ever above s ranks
Nah, S rank are the meta units.
Synchronization sped up the lifespan of units, you got 2 or 3 months squashed in 1
ig a ranks are just to pass the time
Pretty much
CN, characters have/had a longer life span due to how the patches worked.
And build experimentation
what is the weapon resonance for Pianissimo
DLT
A-rank gameplay is often more creative than S-ranks because Kuro tests playerbase reaction since they dont affect sales
usually is there a new char per month?
weapon too?
For f2p, weapons are harder to come by, but we can use the A-ranks patches to pull for weapons
Weapons, its usually not advised f2p to spend every patch, monthly pass covers the wep if you want to spend 5 dollars a month.
Spend indeed
duh you cant be f2p and spend
Guys did they ever do double drop event for simulation battle on this game?
I think you misinterpreted what I put in relation to the conversation.
right now its actually triple drop cause its a 3x patch
I feel the problem is the way you expressed yourself
back to the convo
in a normal patch you get enough for a char
but not the weapon right?
right.
Yeah
and in the a rank patch you get the weapon, but a weapons cost is like 75% of a char so you only get a signature every 4 chars as a f2p?
What can I do with an extra weapon of Selena, got 2 but i don't have any idea what to do with the other one
You can resonate one of the weapons with it.
Right, but do they occasionally do it though? Or is this the first time they do it bcs the triple patch thingy?
Weapon costs half of a char, but you gotta deal with 80/20 probability
Ahh thañk k you
char is 21k and weapon is 15k thats not half
Char is 15k
Dont tell me you were pulling in fated banner?
not that i know of
yes.
Indeed
how much you get per patch?
Around 15k
I see
Vera heavily needs sig?
Nop
Not heavily but it's a nice to have.
thats a bit of a shame, from what youve explained only every 4 months during the arank patches can you get 2 weapons therefore only half of your chars will have sigs as a f2p
Thats ok though, you'll fare well in endgame without everyone having their weapons
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i finally have pyroath ss + sig with DLT, and her rotation is so smooth, it feels almost like cw

Thanks Jeremy
whats dlt
Deadline timing a wep resonance.
what is it
Deadline Timing, its a weapon resonance that gives extra orbs
are there any active codes rn?
nop
yeah 25s9sbe1ligmaballs69
💀
yeah forgot about that one
holy sh*t it does work! Thank you so much!
I appreciate it bro why couldnt I find this code anywhere
I'll try
Daybreak needs sig?
Only if you like her.
Who do I get?
How much does each chapter give black cards ?
what's a good stopping point for spending vouchers on wanshi? SSS?
Yeah.
ic thanks
Nanaknight
would sss r3 lilith or ss0 r1 nanami deal more
You get Jetaive SSS for free from the event........
so All of selenas bottom ressonance are supposed to be her core passive?
new player? nanami startrail in base banner selector
I picked Lucia Pyroath
not the worst, but could be better aka nanami
Yeah
Beter not tbh
How can i get the Things i need?
Why not
You need to have resonance in all memories and hypertune them with the gold and blue medals
Hypertune
But do not hypertune A ranks lol
I only do that via fake HT
Because its 70/30, there are better ways to get them, like selectors in events
If you want to gamble, go ahead
But if you lose the game, you brick 60 pulls
I know, I'm bullshtting
Kek

Depending of what char comes, but yeah, you can lose some tickets
Alright Im a big noob in this Game thx for the short help
Who says you need to whel to have a good looking account
F2p btw 
Nobody said that haha
I'm tryna flex here
I can see that, not bad nonetheless
Apparently i can't supertune Brs cause she's base A rank and I'm short like 20bp
Gonna kms
Oh wait
This isn't meta help
No wonder my inside jokes were missing

My bad
I'll leave
Oop
I regret nothing
Who should i pick in the S rank selector? (The one in the thunderbolt manual)
what the brick
Why not tho
can someone help me w dorms? how do i get wanshi from it
I already got my startrail
Should i get lucia?
You go into here and you'll have dispatch missions, complete/send them on a timer and you get the tokens to eventually buy out wanshi and the other two.
Every S rank upto Pyroath
okay thanks
Oh so get pyroath 100%
Guys, should i invest into CW/Feral/Startreil?
Yes, this is the meta lightning team.
If you need their builds go to #📨・bot-info and type /build and the character name..
????????????????????
Okay, thank you
What are any in the bot info
If you mean the any+15 atk, it just means any top resonance which has attack in it.
Thanks
is there any way of getting nanami startrail rn?
Thunderbolt and basic research selector
Thunderbolt research or the blue ticket selector.
thanks
Damn, thats Jesse Pinkman
Tsubricki? This character are one good dps? My tsubricki have less damage
so that was what he was talking about when Walt told him to shut up
Nop, she's basically QTE bot nowadays
Have one suggestion of one good dps? I have nanami
Nanami startrail is the dps for lightning team.
I have the lightning team
The bot one isnt updated, so you can use 4 Da Vinci 2 Einstenina on her while Feral can use 4 Gwynenvere/2 Samantha or 4 Samantha/2 Gwynenvere I guess
how much shards do i need to get a character?
A-rank is 30
S-rank is 50
You have Pyroath, Wata and Vera. You have the meta fire team, Pyroath is gonna be your main dps. Aim to SS Pyroath as well.
idk cz im tryna get wanashi from the dorm
50 shards for 100k dispatch things
I try the pyroath but i cant play with her
Does she have her 6* sig?
Understandable, she's clumky without it
You can uss Vera as DPS in the mean time
She's easy to play and doesnt need sig at all
How do I accomplish these two tasks? If anyone knows, please take a picture of the place where I accomplished these two tasks and what I do to accomplish them.
this thinf isnt even a thing
Guys, i need advice. Should i invest max res in 1 full team first?
I don’t understand stand
I mean memory reso, etc
Yes ? 
you got her right there fam
Rich
No
That's an A rank, far easier to have in SSS+ than a S rank. But still, I understand when people say brick to me hahaha
Better not, do the priority resonances to make teams fully functional and with QoL first, then later you worry about damage increase resonances
Which min I should invest in every team?
DLT on some DPS
Depend of your ambitions/budget
Like Shukra, Startrail, even Pyroath
Though with Vera I guess Pyroath doesnt need it anymore?
Max/30$ per month 
DLT?
That patch is probably the last one which is double/triple patch, so with this amount I guess you can target every new char with their weapon easily
Deadline Timing
Sorry, but what is this?
Basically extra orbs so more rotations can be done by the character
It's a resonance on the signature weapon. Which require another 6 star weapon as "food" to activate it.
Expensive but very useful, even mandatory on some characters
a little confused on when to build feral as a qte bot or as a support
like what determines which build you go?
Simple, support if she go on the field, QTE if don't
oh i figured that much.
what determines if she is supposed to go on the field or not tho.
Is it Startrail and CW dependent or
If she can actually contribute to team dmg or give buffs enough to justify her field time
In current lightning team it inst worth it
gotcha
It's completely depending on Startrail, as long as you have Nanami, Feral go QTE
Btw, if your CW isn't SSS, she is QTE too
which weapon resonance is good for the new vera?
Vera wants Axial or Spear or both. If main dps DLT.
she is support for lucya
Then Axial
okay thx
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Axial Ray
hold on
that’s what from the picture?😭
sorry i don’t understand the system
Its in the picture, second one.
Superconducting axial ray
Np I could of been more clear myself, sorry about the confusion.
for a budget dark team would i use lilith, no 21 and who else?
I just started like 1 week ago so starting to get my teams built !
ingame guide is wanting me to have 4x burana with 2x patton but i see guides online saying to use 2 piece cottie
for selena pianissimo
idk which isbetter
Cottie is better for her imo.
Never trust ingame guide
alr il use cottie den thanks
The in game guide can be a bit funky, if you are unsure about anything just ask here or you can go to #📨・bot-info and type /build and the characters name.
Iirc, ingame guide are made by players, which mean as long as people "like" them, it's on top list
Patton is pain cage build iirc, but because you are supposed to finish it in 2 rotations 
when the bot says harmonization recomendation what does that mean
The memory on the signature weapon
A budget dark team can be lilith, 21 and pretty much anyone else, A Vera might work for you.
oh nvm then i dont haver the sig
Harmonization is a 6* wep feature.
ok
When you activate the feature, it lets you put a extra 2 memory set on your character.
for the memory resonance should i use the hp +15 or the crit one? top resonance
damn
the dude on the guide says atk and crit but shows the hp one
The top resonance best in slot is atk+crit, it looks like this
does it matter in which spot the memories are?
The spot is minmax, its VERY minor difference.
shi idk what that is
It doesn't make enough difference to worry about.
planning to build dark team w lilith, bianca new frame & scire, but im wondering is scire still worth it to get?, considering shes old and might get replaced soon
Probably not worth spending tickets on Scire
If you already have her, then build her since we don't have a clue about when she will be replaced
It's hard to say really but its very possible she gets replaced, so its up to you if you want risk it or not. I personally wouldn't, I am coping with Kamui myself right now.
oo alr thanks
scire isnt worth it
shes very likely to be replaced as said above and shes quite bad
just use ishmael or xxi/kamui
alrr
Can Alisa: echo solo physical ppc and warzone?
No and why would you subject yourself to such torment?
Uhm
I was planning on grabbing Watanabe and pyroath from thunderbolt research and blue card
You have Selena
You can get Wata free in a few days
tomorrow actually
Bruh
You have the meta physical dps aka Selena Pianissimo, do yourself a favor and build her
how do u give the intructor momery shards
you could build Selena,Alisa and throw any tank in the mix just for the passive.
i did the mission and did say complete but it also says the instructior didn't gey any gifted memory shards yet
The instructor have to go in the guide menu to give the shards manually, and we can have only 3 per day so with multiple students we can be short on gift at the beginning of the week
Maybe your instructor is lazy and don't give you your shards, or maybe he don't have any shard left to give you, in that case, wait until tomorrow
How th did I forget her what the eff
i see, well i am at 79. is the new mode i get when i reach 80 worth it?
Can't remember which mode it is
do i play frozen darkness before chapter 12?
where do you get weapon pulls, i swear i get none
They are very rare, majority of the time you gotta spend bc for them.
...lol i forgot i could do this, 30 pulls is ok for a weapon guarantee
i could do this with cub tickets too, it's usually under 10 pulls
Aren't you a lucky one, the cubs love pity for me.
same
It's a good wep but there is higher prio weps.

so far, only epitaph and lucid dreamer dont have their weapons
would either of those be higher priority
Lucid maybe, but neither are very high
Yeah it's a tough one.
Solactetune's and Nanami are higher
i've been doing all the monthly passes since i joined last month, so i've been pulling with weapon currency and have had good luck there too,
both solacetune and nanami have it
Are you planning on getting qu from the selector?
Well you can do Wanshi's, I wont pull Watanabe's weapon though
yes, i dont have her
but is qu getting replaced soon? i heard she's old
Yeah probably, thats why most people are getting SS3 Watanabe
Wanshi with sig is great already ngl
hmm, ill do wanshi sig for now, he's running a 4 star
but dont male stocks last longer cause there are s o few
Unfortunately as we found out, being old isn't an indication of getting replaced, Karen is still kicking and she is older than the rest.
true
oh i dont have her
Good, its most likely she is next to be replaced.
Lamia wasn't old and she got the boot too.
lamia seems meh as a character, but im only on chapter 14*
Kuro just playing mind games at this point, gotta respect it.
kaleido and alisa dont have their weapons either, but i barely use them
alisa got max reso 5 star
i made it to 13k i hope i can get enough for the dmc collab
You still have a month left and the banner runs for a month so you've got plenty of time to build up more.
how much are you expecting
i mean thats normal irrelevant story character that should not exist anyway 
i have enough to get vergil and dante is free but to get them with weapons and sss? that's hard
Honestly, I've not done the maths so I can't help there sorry.
no exact numbers, ballpark is fine, like 30k?
Hey guys, which Harmony do I use on Vera Geiravor's weapon?
2x guin or 2 eins if support.
I'd be pretty content with having ss3 Dante and ss Vergil tbh
Ty
no sig?
what is Dante without Rebellion
Sig is a must so I didn't include it cuz I thought it's obvious
I've been semi away during all these sync patches so I don't even know what the average bc income is now.
My goal is to just enjoy their combos, I'm a huge sucker for cool combos
ss6 vergil or sss dante lol
im hovering at 47k, and if i get the same, ss3 Dante* + ss Vergil* + sigs + cubs, im happy.
but i will spend every BC to see how far itll go if i hit that
Oh btw are cubs worth it?
If you are f2p, nah just get the tickets through norman and call it a day.
I just don't feel their importance
Okay
they are not importance, my entire pulling for DMC chars is not meta, just nostalgia
they dont get skins right
we get like 32k from this whole patch, considering we're like a week or two in probably a bit less than that
ye
oh snap, if i can hit 77k, sss might be a possibility
this is all just from weeklies and event rewards?
yeah
Hi, I'm new and I don't understand a thing in that game. I don't know where to start, so I guess I need help with game progression, what should I do from the start and what team should I build for the end game
Gng is there any replaceable for echo
I would recommend following the thunderbolt manual
@hollow egret I think the only critical thing is that you don't have to do all of the story unless you want to/want black cards, but your primary goal will be to just play until level 80/85
play story until lvl 80?
Do dailies & do guide quests (get a guide) until level 80
nah that would take a while, get a guide mentor and do guide missions
most content in this game will not challenge you at all until level 80
What about all other events, trainings and etc? there is overwhelming amount of them from different menus
yes, there's a lot. Thunderbolt manual is your bread and butter
so i ignore other things for now?
is rolling for selena to ss3 worth it?
to me - yes bc it changes rotation
you can try anything - nothing in PGR really bricks you except selectors of S ranks imo
iirc isn't there also like beginner missions? the one that gives the blue tickets
can't remember tbh
@hollow egret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKVvCyZRi0w&list=PL7z5h7tgMh9sQN9j7j1qhfsJEEOGFrB7u this guy's playlist is pretty informative
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ok. What about team? i have this chars and bunch of A stars which i guess not good for meta
Yep, that's the one which gives you a selector to Laurel iirc.
yeah i watched it and yet it's hard to understand
I see, and for vera would SS be enough?
using my logic - yes haha
Selena is a great pick up.
if you mean what it will take to get to being "meta" it's time
i mean what meta or close to it teams i can create now or aim for now
there are 5 primary elemental types
- physical
- fire
- ice
- dark
- lightning
you need 1 3-man team for each
the highest value unit in the game for a new player is Ishmael Parhelion
because Ishmael is the only character that flexes into 4 of those teams in 2 potential slots
Get Nanami 
Nanami Startrail to be specific.
Nanmi has carried me into late game tbh
Nanaknight best
is crimson and feral sent good, cos i get them free, isnt there any catch?
mid
They are the current Meta Lightning team members
Blasphemy
They are current meta for lightning.
Nanami Startrail is the actual most versatile char in the game
yeah but maybe i need some kind of copies of them or smthing
what other gacha have u played
gensh, wuwa
At most get them to SS but that’s free
You can get every base S rank to SS for free.
ok perfect.
So in PGR, SSS is about == Genshin C6 in terms of gameplay feel
There's a few stages: S < S5 < SS < SS3 < SSS
if you own a character, SS is always free becuase of Phantom Pain Cage (technically).
So no, there is no "catch" but if you increase Crimson Weave to SS I think you get a rotation change
Wish one copy was enough lol
but those don't change the rotations / game play - feel
I mean, yes if pedantic - it will change rotations since more dmg = need to distribute damage differently in warzone ok sure
Does pyroath need SS to be decent? Or money invested ?
in gensh s0 event 5* characters are good and clear everything with ease. So i guess i got crimson and feral for free and s0
No character needs money invested to be decent, SS is always enough.
in pgr, if you have neough skill you can just fkin do it (apparently)
Perfect, thats all i needed to know
i dont atm i just mash buttons, cant figure out proper rotations yet, and dont have chars yet
SS is enough to stay hero in warzone, which is far enough.
SS3 is a very nice qol
SSS is a whel thing
All of this comes with time, just get a feel for the game and see how you like it.
isn't SSS pyroath pretty goated
Pretty much every SSS is goated, they are designed that way to make you want to spend.
Except for some char like Echo or Wanshi because they are in the voucher shop
not all SSS are made equal
do dorm comissions and insatiable research missions for free lilith, alisa, wanshi, and ayla
so i guess now i build lightning team. What about phys team, since i have Selena. i cant build any team yet with her and i shoud wait for specific characters?
Ofc newer characters are gonna be way better than gen 1 when it comes to SSS as the game has improved over time.
like Vera SSS is not it for me
huh
Dorm is a system there's a button in the main menu. Commissions are a part of it. You get up to 3 free S ranks from it
yeah i get first part, but not second
You have Pianissimo, that's perfect, Alisa Echo is free in the dorm, the meta tank is Solacetune but any phys tank will do the job
what is insatiable research missions
there's normally 2 buttons in commissions you press. Dispatch All | Collect All
I love how for phys and glacio you just change the tank
Also the arrow to level it up. that's all
if you go to events and find insatiable research there should be missions you can do to get special tickets and pull for lilith
ok, i get what you mean about lilith, but who alisa, wanshi, and ayla?
Honestly from all the events going on rn I had to YT alot of it. I am now barely getting the hang of things lol
Sync triple patches are a blessing and a curse.
ive never known it not be sync, so thats really gonna suck
? yeah i saw this, it's dorm commisions
Do these missions (basically send char doing them) and you will earn token to buy shards
Its just slower pace really, less things jumping out at you.
who are the priority SSS for voucher units again?
Wanshi, Echo, Ayla
yeah, im used to seeing the numbers go up quickly lol
I forgot about Lilith, sorry
what happens if i got wanshi, lilith and echo sss
Ayla will probably be replaced "soon"
Just hold onto the tickets, we are bound to get a new shop character soon.
should i go for scire?
No
ok, and what's that? different names, and it's A chars why whould i need them?
i have no dark team tank
CANNOT WAIT UGH
U got ish?
If you already have her, that's great, but don't spend tickets for Scire
These are S ranked characters and all of them are involved in the meta.
@crimson nexus sss
Would watanbe be good if i Have Pyroath, S vera SS forr tomorrows S ticket? Bliss event
21 is just ss3
ouh, ok
no feral
also i have vouchers, should i use them at all?
Already got Scire SSS and you didn't built her ? What type of whale are you ?
base is sss+
@crimson nexus my scire is only s
Im lost
He will be a decent one to grab, your fire team will be complete, Wanshi can cope as your Ice dps for now.
haha
Same
same
Yeah he does quite well, liv will prob do triple tho ngl😭
Grab the shop shards of those units first from dorm then spend vouchers on them.
Explore the 56 characters of Bazriel from the North America server of Punishing: Gray Raven.
all this 4 chars and only them?
who should i spend vouchers for now
Anyway, Scire is completely outdated now, if you have her, just build her in QTE bot setting and that's all
Unfortunately I dont have an ice team built yet just got wanashi yesterday and his weapon when trying to pull Veras lol
liv that was teased prob ice
But watanabe > Any other char?
oh didn’t know
Just hold onto them for now if you have everyone SSS, there is no point in waiting longer to SSS the next unit, Ayla ect will be replaced soon.
i was going to use vouchers for scire and get her sss, or is there someone else better to spend my vouchers on
Yuh in dorm
but wouldnt scire be better for when dark bianca comes? @normal night
or would ish be fine to use in her place
You don't need Scire to be SSS since she is a QTE bot now
Sure but who knows, she might then replaced the patch after Bianca, we are still behind CN so we can use that to our advantage.
I have a question that may seem silly, but I really don't know if it's worth it for me to set up an ice team, even if it's free, it seems like Sakura requires a good amount of investment that I don't have at the moment, and I want to save for the new Bianca, I'm thinking about getting Watanabe to accompany my Vera and leaving the ice team for later, would it be worth it?
^^
Your ice team is gonna be fine for a while then, we might get another selector during the bianca patch so you can pick qu up there.
It's better, but not worth it
that's actually what a lot of people are doing, yeah if you can't afford to invest in qu then go for wata
Yeah defo
@crimson nexus you think sss crimson weave would be a better decision, or just save?
Just save in my opinion. But who am I to tell you what to do with your ressources ? 
Save
ive been whaling it up, trying to get meta
r u saving for dmc
what is saving?
IF i buy the 100$ bundle what would be worth to get from the shop to maximize my recharge? Since there is a bunch of bundles whats worth converting it to?
Honestly not going for Qu Shukra because you can't afford her SS+Sig+DLT, Wata is the next best choice.
So can i build phys team now with selena? Or i focus on lightning team and wait for solacetune rerun?
Follow the doc for optimal spending ^^
You can prep Selena now, you can get a selector which goes up to Luna Laurel, you could grab Rosetta Rigor from there as a substitute for Hanying Solacetune.
players at your level are recommended not to do the 70% in lieu of getting banner S ranks
is it worth it to level up Rosetta Rigor if i swap her anyway for solacetune?
so withh 339 RC i can get 18900+ BC not bad for the good value ones
your immediate questions / concerns should rather be
- What S rank will you pull from this current free selector? (up to Qu)
- What S rank will you select from your thunderbolt manual rolls?
- What S rank will you pick from Base Member Target Research Selection
I don't see a world where you pick solacetune in the selectors
Well if we go by what information Japanese server has and if we are gonna get the EXACT same thing
Hanying will come back during the DMC patch at 100% so you could hold off until then but that's still a whole month away.
you don't have to bend over backwards for the sub dps
i cant answer any of this, you tell me xD what chars i can pick from that things
no like that's what your objective is to decide
Pretty much anything which is green or yellow is seen as a decent pack. Green being the higher prio.
i dont play for waifus, so i guess i just want good meta chars, ideally they should live long in meta. Also i like horizontal investment
best thing i did was join this discord lol
pick watanabe from qu selector, get nanami startrail, and solacetune is good for dmc*
Thanks Tak
Some of us are just experienced players wanting to share knowledge.
Wasnt trying to brick my account
Nah, if you ever worried or confused, message here and we will help.
i roll for nanami star rail atm, is she anywhere else in some kind of selectors?
ya so look at that meta team comp sheet & decide based on what is most cost beneficial
Well waste my resources on char that are not Meta lol
Not that I care but would like to push end game at some point
yeah she's in the thunderbolt selector pulls with more restriction
how can i figure out cost?
for only being back for 2 months i think im doing pretty good
She is in a different selector but the cost is exactly the same.
so i should change hero in base or chose other char in thunderbolt selector?
in base, you have more options than thunderbolt
Get nanami from the blue tickets.
see if any of these interest you (some of them are old/free so can ask)
I disagree, because the thunderbolt selector has only up to nanami
is ss3 worth it on luna ob?
It is but Nanami will be a direct upgrade to his account right now, he can also just pick up Pyroath from Thunderbolt in the future with a more stable fire team.
She is low investment and high reward.
well we don't know his situation
A brand new player.
he has expressed he wants meta teams - then wouldn't one avenue be to get ishmael through the standard & nanami through the thunderbolt?
Nanami is meta in like 3-4 teams right now.
getting pyroath is good for the fire team, but having ishmael is what he expressed - horizontal investment
ishmael that goood huh?
I was saying drop pyroath, not drop nanami
that + if he wanted to, he could 70% pyroath right now technically ;;
well the person in question expressed a desire for a unit that would fit towards many teams
Nah, not with the free units in there alongside her, its quite the risk of wasting 60 pulls for a free unit you can get with time.
true, but it should be effective team
i think you are not considering the big picture
honestly ishmael is good and fits into many teams but I like luna, allows for zaza teams when u don't got much chars
is ishmael would fit in many teams and be almost as effective as bis teammates there?
Where can i build my roster of char so yall can tell me what to fcs on and what S Char to pull tomorrow. I would like to make a good decision based on the veterans in this game
the difference is that in fire warzone, using ishmael instead of watanabe would mean you probably would not dps on ishmael to do optimal rotation



