Foreshorten Arms

[lone mirage]

i would say her pelvis is defintely quite a bit lower than you have drawn

i would say to not keep it to stiff straight lines, and once youve traced once you should try to recreate it yourself

if you want to further your understanding, ranter than lines and circles, try boxes and tubes. they dont work for everyone, but they push the understanding of 3d shapes

[night cosmos]

well okay then, thanks

[night cosmos]

Got it

[night cosmos]

Well this is what I did I copied it from the side while using the pose to help me understand more. The hands are still in the works

[meager sphinx]

Rib cage is not like that

[meager sphinx]

More-like this

Would have done the pelvis but I am on Android rn🫠

[night cosmos]

mhm yeah that does make sense

[night cosmos]

I’d also did something else, seeing a ton of reference I see people before doing the box method they attempt to do the line action first and then the boxes. I’d also noticed that the pelvis is swaying from the right side. So I did use this method to understand more of it. The hands is the struggled since it’s holding something up. Any advice for the hands?

[meager sphinx]

That's her placing her left leg forward to maintain balance

[meager sphinx]

Draw gestures after drawing some 1-2k you're gonna carve the 3d image of a 2d line in your head

[night cosmos]

mhm yeah?

Again I'm working on the box method this is a construction forshort

[meager sphinx]

That's ok but doing this free hand is cool

Like this

[night cosmos]

mhm

[night cosmos]

Here’s what I did with the boxes, the arms look a bit off. These arms are foreshortening after all, though it’s hard to draw em small. What do you think?

[lone mirage]

the arms are fine! i think you shouldn’t use the 2d boxes they kind of restrict you, if you use boxes keep em 3d!!

[night cosmos]

mhm instead use cylinders?

[lone mirage]

i think cylinders work fine! boxes re fine as well but the ones you have are flat so

the purpose of the boxes is to understand the figure three dimensionally

also you have her head looking up but the image has her head tilted down

[night cosmos]

oh okay I'll see what I can do

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[night cosmos]

I know that the head is supposed to be tilted down, I did do my best to recreate with references. I also did fix the torso by making it not too big and pelvis not seem to be big. The arms are still not 3D which is a work in progress, what do you think of this?

[harsh urchin]

Unless you are just trying to get a gesture, don't use 2d shapes, try to use 3d shapes because you are drawing a 3d objects, there's many youtube videos about constructing people using basic 3d shapes, go find one, and practice like 100 times. The ability to do this only comes from practice

[zenith marlin]

you keep using 2d shapes like the circles for the shoulder. The shoulder is a circle-like joint but its facing forwards so its not going to be like that, it makes your anatomy look flat and removes perspective. If you look at the reference image and compare it to your circle shoulders you can see how her shoulders have more perspective and a different shape

[zenith marlin]

also still using stiff straight lines here

[zenith marlin]

the arms here are going down, not towards the camera

let me take a video to explain what im trying to say..

pretend this rectangle is an arm

you can rotate it to the sides and swing it back and forth, but when you lift the arm up and point it to the camera it has a different, narrower and shorter shape

heres an arm on the left facing down, and the right it facing towards the camera

im bad at explaining things...

[night cosmos]

No no I understand what you’re trying so instead of making the arms look down I should make them facing the camera instead, of course since it’s foreshortened ofc

[zenith marlin]

Yes ^^

[polar cape]

I’m working on a project for my client “HUMAN FACIAL EXPRESSIONS “ so actually I need some people pictures to work on and it’s so insecure to get pictures from google and work on it that’s why I’m reaching out to people on here. If you interested dm me

[night cosmos]

Well this is what I did with the head but having issue with the arms

[lone mirage]

i think the persistent issue is that youre like

restricting yourself to theys very stiff boxes spheres and tubes

theyre good for getting a general understanding of how things work but the body is also not made of these things

your issue with the arms tho is because you arent foreshortening it

so they just end up looking short

you have to rotate the tubes in a manner that has the "flat" end vacing the viewer

[night cosmos]

Ah I see

But the way I broke down the pose was correct except the arms

[lone mirage]

technically yes

it just comes down to do you understand the flow of things and can you translate it into an actual drwing

[night cosmos]

mhm yeah

thanks for the help and advice

I'll remember this so I can do it in every pose

[night cosmos]

So anyways I was able to fix the pose a bit, now I’m starting to draw it and thus heres what I have

[night cosmos]

This is what I did to best recreate the pose