Need help on understanding anatomy (+ perspective)

[random whale]

Its been almost a month and i am getting tired lol.

I dont really know why but sometimes i get it right and sometimes not, its just making me feel so tired to the point i had to look at the reference, watch videos and learn the muscle structures. Perspective also doesnt help as it adds to the work that i have to learn 🥀

Need help on understanding anatomy (+ perspective)

[alpine arch]

I think you’re doing fine. Some cases the head is just far too large regardless of perspective.

I think you’re pondering too much about the actual form of the muscles rather than the common forms that are often used to imitate those muscles.

Look at Bridgman— the one artist everyone looks up to eventually in their art path as they stumble into anatomy. He uses a fuck ton of eclipses.

[inner birch]

is that guts from berserk in the 4th one

[random whale]

If im gonna be honest, i should probably focus on how to draw the muscles on the limbs since i think i have a gist of how to draw the torso now

But the thing is, i dont know how the muscles would form

I kept struggling due to it

[proper tinsel]

I think your at point where you dislike your art but thats the point where your actually improving alot, cuz it looks pretty good to me

I think u should give michael hamptons figure drawing book a shot if you havent

Maybe a looser feel would give u a better look

[alpine arch]

What exactly are you having a problem with? If you’re having an easier time drawing the torso and attaching the muscles, then you shouldn’t struggle with the muscles for the arms etc.

Depending on how you want to go about structure, develop the limbs as cylinders, and then attach the corresponding muscle masses. Note that I use “masses” rather than individual muscles because for artists we only cover surface anatomy.

Additionally: reference material to use: Michael Hampton’s Design and invention pdf. (As stated already by other user).

[random whale]

I havent checked it out yet but heres some progress when my internet was out for idk, 4 days 💀

I didnt make much since i had to entertain myself one way or another since i have no internet for 4 DAMN DAYS

This is the last thing i was trying to draw before giving up because i couldnt entertain myself any further

I will continue later tonight but goddamn i need some entertainment

[random whale]

You can clearly see the problem i have here

(just noticed it just now actually)

[alpine arch]

I think your issue begins when you start to develop the clavicle region. Especially when viewing from a higher angle.

Your most recent image has error of course, the egg for the rib cage is too small and doesn’t follow the viewers eye.

But don’t get me wrong you’re on a good track, you just have to hammer out the perspective and how the shape of the egg changes.

[alpine arch]

Here’s my attempt to elaborate on what I think your minor issue is with the top

[random whale]

Ill take note of it

@alpine arch if im gonna be honest, i dont know how to do the egg the way i want it to be, sometimes it would be too big and sometimes it would be too small and skinny

[alpine arch]

ok so just stick with boxes for now, but I think in that case;

You should actually just look up proportions of the figure, this may help you eventually break into eggs for the rib cage etc but basically the rib cage is 2 head units wide (for male, 1 1/2 for female but just proportionally smaller than the pelvis) and the rib cages are both approx 2 head units tall.

Hope this helps

[dense fjord]

You're also just not drawing how the pec muscle goes over the arm

Specially in your first set of photos

It makes the arm looks hinged like a door

[alpine arch]

Yeah the muscle insertion is off, the pecs insert into the front anterior side of the humerus. I was focused on the box of the shoulder girdle

[dense fjord]

Yaa I agree with everything you've pointed out as well :3

[alpine arch]

all good lol, just shows that we are not all perfect haha— I gotta draw more of the pecs

[dense fjord]

Ohhh nooo my blurb was for OP not you!! Your drawings are good !!

I think it auto @'s you when I use the remix feature or something sorry for tha confusion

[alpine arch]

Haha well alls good and you’re right about the pec overlap. I’ve noticed a lot of ppl starting out in anatomy don’t draw the insertion and it ends up having the form fall flat. Perhaps OP could start doing that as well? I initially thought the issue came from the top of the shoulder region but it might just be that as well

[dense fjord]

Yes yes both can be improved

[random whale]

I think this is the best i could go wit the egg

[random whale]

Ill try

I have all the time in the world and i spent it on literally nothing

I gotta be a bit productive with my time

@alpine arch also is it weird that i never needed the egg or the box to draw the torso? I only did the egg because i wanted to be a bit different- as for the box, i only did it because i wanted to learn perspective since people said boxes are good learning curves for perspectives

Nevermind i actually needed the egg 🥀🥀🥀

[dense fjord]

https://youtu.be/X2Ppp8wPdP4?si=cQfV4ogMR-EV1Doj

[alpine arch]

Have you been eyeballing all this time?

You NEED the boxes and the eggs to develop perspective and to be able to construct from no reference (and helps when drawing a reference to understand more of the anatomy).

It’s also something to note that the box isn’t supposed to represent ALL of the rib cage, it’s supposed to be there as a placeholder for the perspective and tilt of the rib cage, same thing goes for the pelvis, you use a smaller squashed box for the pelvis but it’s not meant to act as a mass itself.

[alpine arch]

So like this image with the box is the right idea but we aren’t connecting the limbs directly to the box, there’s more to it and that’s where I mention the box for the shoulder girdle—

[alpine arch]

How about just elongated ovals? Helps a lot with gesture

[granite holly]

Or you can just draw mass out of thin air until it look right