did I make some progress?

[crisp orbit]

So I'm learning to draw human faces and it's really harsh for me, I'm testing this method (idk what is it called sorry) but like I doesn't look any good, pls someone I beg someone to help me. How do I make this anatomically correct?

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

I beg someone to help me save this drawing

[sharp berry]

The best way to learn the human face is irl photos. Learn from life. The loomis method is a good starting point because it shows all of the planes and makes it easier to see

Proko, marc brunet and angel ganev have good videos on this topic

[crisp orbit]

I think that the loomis method is not really for me I just get really irritated trying to fo this

Every single time it looks off and just ugly

[sharp berry]

then another method i rec is a grid method. what im showing you a variant of the method; usually youd split the ref into a grid and draw what in each box. what im doing here is using grids/lines to compare my proportions

from the looks of it, here are the things im noticing:

1. the forehead is too low
2. the left eye is too high up
3. the chin is too small
4. the face is too wide
5. the ear is too close inwards

[crisp orbit]

Well thank you, I deleted the drawing and start over, but honestly I'm so lost I have no idea how to start drawing faces and it's just demotivating

[sharp berry]

break it down into simpler shapes then

gimme like 2 mins and ill show u want i mean

[crisp orbit]

Sure

[stoic tulip]

Methods aside I think you need a break on this drawing specifically, forcing it to work will backfire in my opinion
Perhaps another drawing u can work on in the meantime?

[crisp orbit]

I need like a step by step tutorial how yo exercises drawing faces like

First draw eyes, draw them until you good from every perspective

And then nose

And stuff like that

I'm too dumb 😭😭😭

[crisp orbit]

Yes like I said I deleted it cuz I got a Lil too frustrated and idk

Think I should try drawing from photos but that seems too hard

[sharp berry]

start thinking in terms of shapes when blocking out the shapes of the head. like how were already doing. but continue to compare positive AND negative space.

what you can start doing is apply that to shadows too. this is great to learn with REAL photos. itll help you get the hand of irl shadows so you can easier simplify it (harder to do it the other way around)

how this works is like 3d art irl. https://youtu.be/zC3OxonJcXQ?si=3dcgNE_h2WV9-Tvm very similiar to sculpting

heres me applying what i said rq

super jank cuz im using a trackpad but you can already see a face (if you had poor vision)

[crisp orbit]

Do I need to render every drawing or just sketch with shown shadows is good for exercise?

[sharp berry]

50/50. you want the rendering practice but it doesnt have to be full blown 150% completion.

you do what you think will benefit you the most. if you think starting off simple like how i showed to get the grip of seeing simple shapes first then thats all you got to do

and then you can move onto refining it more once you think you can establish the base shadows really well with like 3-4 values

[crisp orbit]

Okay I understand? Do you have any more tutorials showing it step by step? It'd be really helpful to me

[sharp berry]

if doing it in color is too hard rn, do it in grey scale and then eventually move to color (since diff colors have diff values even if it feels darker)

[crisp orbit]

Yes, I know that, I'm always using grey scale it's more comfortable for me

[sharp berry]

https://youtu.be/LEsNZXRKjYM?si=Vhv8eF2r_a_Ekr8T
https://youtu.be/iwRa5qTnr8o?si=c9wc2H5zXBDka5mo
https://youtu.be/QIAXF5-dtmo?si=T5xkcCGdd6xMMAY0

heres more examples of artists using the same concept

theres a lot of speedpaints/timelapse of people doing this techique mostly in digital painting. if you put them on like .5 or .75 speed you can kinda study how the artist works

[sharp berry]

cool. didnt know where youre at with ur skills

[crisp orbit]

Oh so I tried to do this drawing as the method in the middle video

Guess it didn4 came ut good

[sharp berry]

first drawing using that method

?

[crisp orbit]

No, second but it looks like a really bad downgrade

[sharp berry]

i mean ur not gonna be good 2nd try if youre new to it

youre also lacking in some fundamentals so its gonna be a bit harder

[crisp orbit]

This was my first

[sharp berry]

but yeah highly suggest using irl photos for practice instead of anime work.

[sharp berry]

oof yeah thats still off

[crisp orbit]

Sure I'll try to do it once again with a real photo

[sharp berry]

the og photo already had it split in 2 values already lol

[crisp orbit]

When I choose the photo Can I use filters to make it in grey scale or is that cheating? 😭

[sharp berry]

not cheating

many beginner classes teaches you to turn photos greyscale

[crisp orbit]

I know but I think it looks a little better and ngl I was proud of myself

[sharp berry]

it does look better lol

[crisp orbit]

Is this gonna be a better reference.

And also should I start from using two shades?

[sharp berry]

oooh good refernece. high quality and good lighting that doesnt wash out anything

[sharp berry]

would it help you to do 2 values? i wouldnt go over 4-5.

if you squint at the photo, youre brain will automatically simplify the light and shadows to help you see in 2 values. it makes the distinction between the two more clear

[crisp orbit]

I'll try two and then add third one

Thank you for your help I'll show you when I'll finish this drawing

[sharp berry]

bet

[crisp orbit]

Is it good enough to add third value?

This is speedpaint of me struggling

[sharp berry]

Youre not going "dark" enough. Youre only marking the darkest shadow instead of having all of the shadows in mind.

I did this roughly. Some areas are still not refine BUT id reg u work with a larger brush so you can get the big shapes in first

[crisp orbit]

Oh okay thank you, I was scared it's going to be too dark and hard to read. Can I redrew what you did on my canvas?

[sharp berry]

Yeah

Id do more practices. One or two wouldnt be enough to ingrain it your muscle memory

[crisp orbit]

Yes, I plan to do more

[crisp orbit]

So for now I still have to stick with light and dark value?

[sharp berry]

Yeah

[sharp berry]

Heres a print i did recent with just black and white value. Its also a fun way to get practice in if youre able to afford to do printmaking. A good cheap alternative is carving erasers or smth similar. If ur looking to get some fun in too with the practice

[crisp orbit]

Oh I did something like that in school it was a lot of fun hahaha

Btw thank you for your help really, I feel motivated again

And your art is really beautiful

[sharp berry]

Np. U got this. Its gonna take some time but itll be worth it

[sharp berry]

Tyy

[crisp orbit]

Thank you! ❤️

[sharp berry]

Nicce. Getting better. Id suggest you compare negative space too to get begger proportions. Like the left side of the cheek slope is too steep. The angle is more like an equilateral triangle so 60 degree angle whilst yours is steeper than that

[crisp orbit]

Oh yeah that's true I'll make sure to check that next time

I wanted to use that reference at first but I had trouble with nose since the background is also light

[sharp berry]

I het out of class in 10 mins so i can show u then

[crisp orbit]

Sure if you want to!!

[crisp turtle]

study head construction

[crisp orbit]

Yes I'm doing that, this time on photos with real people

[crisp orbit]

Help I don’t really know what happened in the second one

I got confused

Should i do background light on the second one?

[sharp berry]

I get out of class at 2 today. Ill help you then

[crisp orbit]

Yay!

[crisp orbit]

Tried again but I don’t think it’s any better

[crisp turtle]

this is not construction

[crisp orbit]

So what is it? How can I study that?

[crisp turtle]

youre doing value studies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt9whDIIrgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f52XiaQJAY4

construction means drawing it in 3d space

understanding the forms

youre constructing the head

with 3d shapes

Set it up like this and practice construction, draw large don’t draw small

Not to begin with

[crisp orbit]

So idmt doesn't have to be finished piece? Only a study sketch?

[crisp turtle]

You can do a bunch of head construction drawings, don’t just no brain rush through them, use ur head when you do then, but yes they should be sketches, at least to begin with

Later when u got the hang of it u can turn them into finished portraits

Just get a hang of how to construct the head

[crisp orbit]

Okay I'll do that, but it ain't a problem if in meantime I'm doing sketches like that?

[crisp turtle]

You can start with simpler methods like loomis, reiley then maybe move into studying the skull + asaro head

[crisp turtle]

Watch the 2 videos I sent u, they explain head construction

[crisp orbit]

Okayy

[crisp turtle]

Also read Michael Hampton figure drawing and invention

I think that’s what it’s called

It’s a good beginner anatomy construction book

[crisp orbit]

I don't really like loomis I don't feel like it's for me, I tried tho

[crisp turtle]

Mate

U have to learn it

Sorry

It’s basics

It’a just tools in ur toolbelt

You’ll be happy later

[crisp orbit]

I dont know how 😭😭

[crisp turtle]

I didn’t either

Now I do

[crisp orbit]

Well I'll try but first this two videos

[crisp turtle]

They’re both based on the foundation of the loomis method

You can’t really do more advanced head construction if you can’t do the most simple form

Which is the loomis method

It’s a sphere with a triangle

[crisp orbit]

Well done you have any good tutorials then?

I feel lost when I'm trying to find anything on my own

[crisp turtle]

You could read Andrew loomis book, just the head drawing section but let me see

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOldLWIDSM&pp=ygUNbG9vbWlzIG1ldGhvZA%3D%3D

There can’t go wrong with proko

Watch a bunch of projo

Proko

[crisp orbit]

Okay I'll do some of this exercises today

[crisp orbit]

Is this even correct

[crisp turtle]

Close, the lower line (nose line) should be slightly up, to make it equal thirds

Circle is a bit too big but you’ll get it keep it up

The circle on the side of the head

[crisp orbit]

Oh okay, I'll do more sketches like that, thank you

[crisp orbit]

These are all the sketches that I made today

[sharp berry]

Thought u said u cant loomis. Seemed like u proved urself wrong

[crisp orbit]

I feel like I can't it looks weird in my eyes 😭

I can't say if it's correct

[sharp berry]

Does it feel weird cuz ur finally doing it right for once?

So ur no longer having to do the bad habits

Cuz ik thats how it was for me

[crisp orbit]

Well honestly I don't think I have any bad habits drawing humans because I didn't draw ANY before because I listen to one toxic artist and she was like oh yeah basics are really important (they are ik) but she was saying this like

If you don't have basics don't even try to do something more demanding

Qnd I just stayed in place for a few long years

And well that's the time when I really want to learn how to draw humans

Because I'll always see things I can do better

[sharp berry]

Gotta get urself some high self efficiency. If u think u can ull have a higher chance of achieving it

[sharp berry]

U can say the ones angled downwards, the arches arent arched ejough. Theyre still in upwards angle

The body is full of arcs. If angle is down, all the arcs goes down. Vise versa for upward facing

[crisp orbit]

Yes I see that now, gonna work on this more

[crisp turtle]

Gerning there

Getting

[crisp orbit]

It doesn’t look good

[sharp berry]

Your missing the cheek guidelines. Itll help u guide the jaw better

[crisp orbit]

I don't understand this method, like how does the big the circle is supposed to be? Where I should start the chin? How big the chin is supposed to be, I just can't 😭😭😭

[sharp berry]

Circle is 2/3 of the head

Chin is a third downwards usually depending on the face shape. But ideal is 1/3

Chin aligns with the inner corner of the eyes

Its all proportional. Its smth u have to anaylze

[crisp orbit]

I'm trying but it's irritating it always looks off ao much 😭😭😭😭

[crisp turtle]

youll get it at some points

just keep watching videos on it and practicing, read on it, everytime youll catch onto something new

i cant tell you how many times ive rewatched and revisited books

[sharp berry]

Lol it took me a few weeks to learn the head fully

Ur on day 2. Its not gonna be all baller

Ur also in a really pessimist mindset so its gonna affect ur outcome

[crisp orbit]

I know maybe it's just isn't my day, I'll try to do more sketches later tho because I don't want to give up that fast

[sharp berry]

Probs. Take a break. Nothing productive happens if ur rushing or too stress

[crisp orbit]

There is more

[crisp turtle]

try to construct using straightlines instead of curves when you first start out, straight lines are better at indicating form

so when you do the lines for the thirds use straight not curves, you can do that later

start with the basic perspective ones, straight on view, side view, 3 quarter

[crisp orbit]

Okay I will try

I have so much drawing the jawline tho

Impossible task

[crisp orbit]

Hate

[crisp turtle]

Thought this might help you

[crisp orbit]

Thank you!

[crisp orbit]

More studies I think it’s starting to look decent

[crisp turtle]

getting better bro!

try not to vary the size of the piece you cut off the side

but its 100% improvement

[crisp orbit]

Thank you, I'll watch more videos about it especially where to add eyes, nose and mouth

[crisp turtle]

try not to do that yet

just focus on the head shape

remember to also have fun. Try to draw some portraits ofc

then go back to the studies

[crisp orbit]

I will, I want to draw some value studies now because that's fun to me

[crisp orbit]

But like when csn I start doing that?

[crisp turtle]

you can if you want

but dont just draw eyes, read about how eyes work

then go draw them

or watch videos

if you just go draw them without any understanding of whats going on u wont learn

[crisp orbit]

I wanted to do something for fun but criticism is still welcome 😻

[sharp berry]

Ayo bro ur heads r getting better

[crisp turtle]

Fast progress

[crisp orbit]

I used someone else drawing but added shading myself with a real photo, I know drawing from others art is not good but it was just for fun

I will try to do more sketches like that just by myself and aome references photos

[crisp orbit]

I’m not satisfied w how this looks

[crisp orbit]

That’s the best I could do I fear

[crisp orbit]

So that's the final final version

[crisp orbit]

Hello today I made more sketches

[crisp orbit]

I'm trying to do something everyday but I have no idea if it's any better

did I make some progress?

[crisp orbit]

More sketches

[crisp orbit]

Today I tried something different but I messed up perspective a little