any feedback?

[tribal lichen]

any feedback before I start coloring it? i like it but it would be nice to have other opinions on this. also i think the shirt is missing something not sure what it is though.

[north bluff]

I think the shirt is too flat, I suggest you to study clothes and folds

[tribal lichen]

yeah i just figured that out, the issue is i can’t do clothes folds without it looking like trash…

[north bluff]

Search for reference photos of real clothes, and watch some YouTube videos could be handy

[tribal lichen]

yeah i’ll search for some photos then ty

[tribal lichen]

like this?

is this better

[quartz gulch]

yes, it looks better imo

one thing i would like to add is that i dont think the shirt should accentuate his muscles

the neckline is loose, but the sleeves arent which kinda don't fit together

so what i suggest is make the sleeves looser, or if you want to accentuate his muscular build then make the overall shirt tighter.

a tight shirt would also mean diff foldings so you would kinda have to redo it, meanwhile if you want to keep the shirt pretty loose then you should change the outline of the sleeves

[tribal lichen]

i wanted the shirt to be just a little loose which is why you can notice the muscles but it not tight

but yeah i think i need to redo the folds lol

[tribal lichen]

is this better

[quartz gulch]

i see. unfortunately i cant give specific advice as i also struggle with drawing clothes and folds :ˋ) all i can say is stick to references

[tribal lichen]

:’) it’s ok

[quartz gulch]

for this one, i think the neckline should be tightened too

wait

[tribal lichen]

oh yeah forgot about the neckline

[quartz gulch]

yeah and this is my 2 cents but i also think the waist can be a little tightened too. imo it's too loose for the folds that u just drew

[tribal lichen]

alr i will do that! also the little area under the left arm (our perspective) should be tightened too?

or to the left of the left arm

southwest

[quartz gulch]

girl im sorry wha

im too sleepy for this lmao

OH I SEE

well the clothing should be very close to his body. idk if this is good advice but just imagine outlining him shirtless, since the shirt is tight

[tribal lichen]

i think i did it

hopefully

my fingers hurt

[tribal lichen]

is it better? @quartz gulch

[quartz gulch]

sorry i didn't see the prev msg

yes i think it looks better!!

[tribal lichen]

alr tysm for your help! i’ll start coloring now

if there’s nothing else to fix

[quartz gulch]

another input if i may, is the forearm part (our right side) can be tightened too

you can use liquify

[tribal lichen]

oh ok! i’ll do that

is that all i need to fix?

[quartz gulch]

yes, im looking forward to the colored version ^^

[tribal lichen]

alr i’ll send you the finished result! tysm

[tribal lichen]

ahh this doesn’t look right😖

[tribal lichen]

@quartz gulch pretty much finished result, what do you think?

[quartz gulch]

it looks fine to me aside from minor mistakes in the clothing folds

one thing i would add is a cast shadow on the bookshelves, to indicate that he's leaning on it

[tribal lichen]

where would i add the cast shadows?

[quartz gulch]

beneath his back

i can't rlly show u since im outside haha

[quartz gulch]

over time u will be able to get a feeling of how to make the folds right, it's a matter of practicing with references

[tribal lichen]

yeah i’ll keep on practicing!

[quartz gulch]

also this advice may seem out of place but i want to point out that if u want to improve for now, your goal should be to make more artworks (with a relatively fast turnaround time) and get feedbacks here

[tribal lichen]

will do so!

[tribal lichen]

@quartz gulch did i place the cast shadow correctly?

wait forgot to send the pic

[quartz gulch]

i think the shadow should be more of a soft shadow

wait let me try

[tribal lichen]

aren’t cast shadows supposed to be sharp tho?

[quartz gulch]

idk if it makes sense but shadows from diffused light can be soft

wait im sorry, i think in this case you're correct, since the shadows on him looks like a direct light

i was thinking of smth more like this haha

[tribal lichen]

ooh that looks better lol

[quartz gulch]

this is how it looks like with a sharper cast shadow

[tribal lichen]

oh, so no cast shadow then?

[quartz gulch]

yeah, i was also thinking of smth similar but without any cast shadow (the first pic) somehow it doesn't seem like he's leaning on the bookshelf

[tribal lichen]

i think i’ll just make the shadow lighter then

[quartz gulch]

well the best way is to look at a reference tbh

if you cant find one you can always make one yourself

just photograph yourself leaning to a wall with a similar light source and observe how it behaves

[tribal lichen]

will try this tomorrow

if i have time

[tribal lichen]

i hope this is better

also the light source is coming from a lamp/chandelier so i think light is coming from top left?

so idk if the shadow makes sense but if i have no shadow then it doesn’t look like he’s leaning on the bookshelf so idk

tricky situation

[stiff shadow]

When you are drawing somebody crossing there arms it is important to draw the hands in the reight place

I suggest looking up a reference

[ornate wolf]

I think the book in the background really doesn't fit with your character. I don't mean the background of the book is bad, but the book feels like it's much more 3 dimensional than the characters. that's why it looks a little weird for me. Sorry bad english hope this help

[ornate wolf]

I think you could also make the lineart in the exposed parts a little brighter 😭😭 sorry bad english

[hazy pine]

His far arm looks like its sticking a bit too far out

[somber ferry]

Nah this looks great

[quartz gulch]

i finally clicked on why the lighting was so complicated. the lighting isn't consistent. it is coming from the same direction.

but the main problem is that the type of lighting is different. the light on background is a soft diffused light causing it to have such soft gradient.

meanwhile, the lighting on the character is harsh, indicating that the character is hit by a direct light instead of diffused light

this is what i mean by direct light vs soft light, im sure you can immediately tell the difference.

for the pic with a direct light, it actually includes the 2 types of light too

[tribal lichen]

no he just has long sleeves that covers his hands so that’s why you don’t see them

[tribal lichen]

ty for your tips! ill fix both of those things

[tribal lichen]

ohh i see… do i just fix this issue by making the bg light more harsh? because i want the light to be harsh

also should i add some light on the right side of the bg so i could make a cast shadow there?

because i made my own reference and saw that the cast shadow was on the right, which i alr knew would be the case and there was barely any shadow on the left side and it was more towards the bottom of my body which isn’t shown in my drawing

but my light source wasn’t harsh (couldn’t find one) so prob not that accurate?

[quartz gulch]

from your desc it seems pretty accurate to me

[quartz gulch]

you can do this, but it seems like it would be difficult to make changes to the bg

also you might disagree with this advice but i think the current artwork is good enough

which is why i suggest that if your main goal is to improve, it would be much more efficient if you were to start making other artworks using refs and other stuff.

and after a while, im sure you will learn much more, then you can come back to this one and refine the piece even further

but it's up to you, you can do whatever you feel like ofc^^ im just giving my own perspective to this

[tribal lichen]

actually i do agree with that because it’s honestly (almost) perfect in my eyes and is one of the best things i’ve drawn

in a few months though when i’ve hopefully gotten better i will be able to see imperfections in my drawing and fix them

but i’ll just change the lineart in the exposed parts to be lighter and leave it be for now

because my brain hurts lol

[quartz gulch]

YESS it's already good 😭 just a few minor mistakes thats all

[quartz gulch]

yeah i get it, which is why i suggested to just move on haha

all of these advice can b overwhelming

[tribal lichen]

tysm again, you have been a massive help, i will share the FINAL final result with you in a few minutes

[quartz gulch]

im happy to help 👍🏻

[proven hull]

Oh you already did it, I needed to scroll, nice work

[tribal lichen]

took a bit more than a few mins lol, i added some light to some places and tweaked lineart color a bit that’s it

i’m happy

[tribal lichen]

ty<3

[quartz gulch]

😍😍 looks good

looking forward to your future artworks

[tribal lichen]

❤️

[north bluff]

Hey your art looks great, congrats, And keep improving 👏🏻

[tribal lichen]

ty<3