Help with perspective + dynamic pls! Due less than a week!!

[distant meteor]

Hello, so from my previous draft, I chose the second one. Then i find it less dynamic or flowy so I made s light tilt which further gave me the ideas. However I sort of had my complications because it felt like it’s right to use a perspective for this piece. So far I think I did well on the girl in the middle but the other characters haven’t been adjusted to the perspective just yet.

Just to note, I used a 2 point perspective, one from the bottom center and around the neck/ head of the character. I think that there will be lots of line of actions trying to make this piece a bit more alive, flowy, and dynamic. However, since I chose to use a perspective tool, the overall progress right now seems to go back to the first draft. Maybe I haven’t really adjust the other character poses based on the perspective? I really need a second eye to help me out!

Any tips or any pointers of what I can do to adjust to make sure the piece looks more alive than calculated placements? I will be adding the flying papers/photos as well as the people who looked up to the girl so there will be more added surrounding the whole piece and I’m a bit afraid to draw them.

context :
I am making a poster for a competition about spreading awareness in mental health issues in teenagers and I’m highlighting the Ex-golden child or burned out academic weapon. The girl is the main subject here, she achieved so much but it’s all to live up her family expectations and wishes. Yet her efforts are not what she desired nor to help her purusing her passions/dreams. Herself as individual is often overlooked as her achievement shined the brightest, making others blind about her struggles to make sure everything works out and to do no mistake. So uh, I make the girl looked like she’s sad/empty. The family only displaued her as their pride and joy but not acknowledging her suffering.

[surreal pumice]

Small tip, remember the rule of thirds to make it more interesting to look at!

[ivory lake]

all the people's heads should be at the same level (more or less depending on height of person), preferably at the horizon line.

and the ppl on stage would have their feet closest to u but their heads farther away.

gimme 2 sefs I'll draw it out.

[surreal pumice]

Oh nice catch

[distant meteor]

There’s two point perspective i put and I intentionally tried to make the main girl stands out. The two characters who holds her by the shoulders are her parents and supposedly not really near her but a bit in the back.

So far the dominant perspective point is by her shoulders though;;

[distant meteor]

I might try it out in the morning!

Thank you both so much on trying to help me btw!!

[ivory lake]

On that last one, the square is linear, make the top of it slightly shorter than the bottom to make it look like she's above the viewer a little.

gimme a second I'm still reading the original message lol

[distant meteor]

Okay!!! Thank you so much for considering aaa

[distant meteor]

This is definitely gonna helps! I feel like there is something off with the pedestal

Should I remove the bottom perspective instead since almost everything referenced to the perspective point by the neck of the girl

[ivory lake]

same thing, it's linear, (aka if the lines were to expand infinitely until one point on each side meets, it will never meet) and u used a square, try using a cylinder for the pedestal (other than the square platform on top.

[distant meteor]

I find using cylinder as a guideline seems so hard to make by the perspective T-T

[ivory lake]

OK so I think I understand what you're trying to do with the two point perspective, lemme hop onto my sketchbook and see what I can do.

[distant meteor]

I tried but their radius doesnt seem to look consistent, since I use ibispaint I cant really adjust it s nice as in procreate

[distant meteor]

You’ve been such a great help omgg, please do orzzz

[ivory lake]

try drawing the square shape, then drawing a circle inside of each end and connecting it. makes it easier on the learning curve.

[distant meteor]

I’ll try it again! Tomorrow will be a major fix up and revisions.

So far, is the line of actions/guidelines for the looks fitting to make it look dynamic? And does the placements of the elements I put already followed it nicely? I think it still looks rather stiff but it’s probably due to the current placement is represented by boxes instead of the organic shapes

[ivory lake]

I can get into that too if you'd like.

[distant meteor]

ANY FURTHER HELP WILL SURELY BE APPRECIATED OMG

I could draw u ur ocs in return 😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏

[distant meteor]

I’m so sorry i had to go off earlier, but I’ll surely look back to your further critics and suggestions in the morning! Your assistance had been a great help aaaaaa 😭😭

My offer is still up btww! After the poster is done, i can draw u ur ocs in chibi style or pfp headshots! Like these! Or anime style if you’d like. I can do both traditional and digital btww!

[ivory lake]

I don't have any ocs lol, I just draw for fun, Imma try to get everything down as quick as I can BRB.

[ivory lake]

OK I done a quick sketch imma hop on digital to explain better.

[toxic prawn]

How do you post these?

[ivory lake]

here's the base sketch for referance

• Line of action / attention
  The line of action gives you a motive on what you want the viewer to look at first, this is achieved by thicker lineart, let cluttered but bold styling and it gives the basic focus point for the viewer, the cleaner it is, the more important it looks, and anything that goes above the line of action (dependant on the piece sometimes) will not be the first place the the viewer looks but it would be the next, you can see in this one nothing is above the line of attention besides the main character (background doesn't apply btw...)

• Horizon line
  I assume you already know the basics, basically. if it's above or below, it will go direct itself to the horizon line. either towards or away from the viewer (in this piece it's towards the viewer)

• Character planes
  It can help to identify the planes you use when creating the character in accordance to the perspective. Here I used the ribcage, head, and feet as the guideline planes, keeping in mind the head is away from the viewer compared to the feet, so the guideline for the feet would have more space.

• Gesture line
  The gesture line depends on the scene you're trying to achieve and also affects the emotion the character gives off. Hunched over = in pain or grief, Bent back = bold and brave, this meaning changes depending on the context of the scene, for example the pillow on the right is bent over talking to someone on the floor. that would change how it translates the character to the viewer in the moment.

the most important parts imo Rn is the gesture line, line of action (or line of attention) and the perspective panes (purple)

@ me or dm me if you'd like me to explain anything else.

[distant meteor]

@ivory lake

For the lines of action im highlighting at is to guide the eyes to certain points. This is a poster afterall and I’ll be giving them few pictures like in the second draft to give better context of the poster’s main illustration. It’s in from these, I really need some space for them and make sure they follow the lines to guide the viewer in a zig zag way (the picture of contexts) and the rest folows the golden ratio rules while their eyes pointing back to the main girl (the people), yet the others(the family around the main girl) do the opposite by focusing their attention to the people. It sort of symbolize how the family doesn’t really hear her or look after her but really wants to show off as well as keeping up with their reputation.

[distant meteor]

Now that I reminded myself about the horizontal line…

I used 2 point perspective and both of them are in the same vertical lines instead.. Should I rearrange the position of the bottom perspective tool to make it as placement of the heads of the people? Since the perspective toll around the main girl’ neck is dominantly used in this piece.