i cant draw body

[reef sluice]

thats what i did when i first started

[fallen abyss]

Hmm do you know pewdiepie?

[reef sluice]

oh ye i learn his method

also

its ok

like its good for head and facial feature which is what i was struggling on

but he doesnt teach you much about anatomy

[fallen abyss]

Do you know pewdiepie?

[reef sluice]

i do

the ytuber that got better at drawing in a 100 days

[fallen abyss]

He improved fast beacuse he was drawed with reference

[reef sluice]

and also minecraft and other stuff

[reef sluice]

exactly ;-;

so idk why your not using em more often

[fallen abyss]

And he didnt know what was he was doing

He drawed things from manga

[reef sluice]

he was a graphic desinger before this, so he had some idea. He also learned anime style by manga and other youtube video

[fallen abyss]

Yeah

Oh no

My phone is dying

[reef sluice]

rip battery ;-;

[fallen abyss]

And theres a problem

Iam in diffirent country

Like when its morning for you

Its night to me

[reef sluice]

It’s nighttime for me also

[fallen abyss]

Oh

[reef sluice]

Lol

[fallen abyss]

💀

Yo i thought this chat was have soo many comments ever in this server but

[reef sluice]

Oui

[fringe tendon]

i just sat here and read thru this mans entire journey and i hope he becomes a great artist

[spare walrus]

Same 😭

[fallen abyss]

its gonna take long

[fallen abyss]

Naw bro iam not gonna be a good artist

[spare walrus]

Yes u r wdym

😢

It takes a while to get the hang jt brodda. J js gotta believd,

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-flame-fire-gif-5621394

[strong mica]

it just takes time, a lot of it actually
it took me about 4 years to get to the point where I somehow liked my art and I'm still not nearly done improving, you can't expect those things to go that fast

[simple island]

i dont wanna sound like a ted talker, but youre not gonna be a good artist with that attitude. obviously youre not going to be pro artist level in a few days, you have to try. practise, etc. its how we all got to where we are, and its how youre going to get to pro level. if you go in with the mindset "im not going to be a good artist", thats what is gonna happen. youre not going to be a good artist. you have to have confidence to make results youll be happy with

[latent bone]

Dam I was gone for a few days, what the shit happend

[latent bone]

What your saying is a self fulfilling prophecy. You say to yourself "I can't do it I will never be good artist" that leads to "oh I drew a bad drawing I must suck" then that leads to "why am I trying if I'm never going to anyway" and that be it. If you want to succeed your art isn't what you need to fix, it's your mindset. It's simply a self fulfilling prophecy right now, take a break ask your self why you think you cant do it in the first place (since you already know becoming a pro artist takes time cut that off) What else in your past makes you negative about this experience? Did you fail at other things or maybe do you not like failing sometimes or something else that's making you think this way? Try and figure it out then realise that your own potential to become a artist is really high and I'm not just saying that I mean it. In a few months you will see progress if you get your negative mindset and make it more positive. Just try and ask yourself why your taking this negatively and disattach it from art and be okay with trying things for a long time regardless of if it will work. I have explained why your mindset is going to be a self fulfilling proffecy so now it's up to you, it's okay which ever option you choose but pick one that will make you the most happy.

Also when I said disattach it I mean like heal it make sure you don't have that mindset to any new experience too.

[fallen abyss]

BRO WHAT A

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-teen-gif-18243394651299740542

OK GUYS CHILL BRUH

I WAS GONNA DO SOMETHING FOR ANATOMY AND I DID COME THIS CHAT

WHAT A HELL

[fallen abyss]

guys what do i need do now?

linework?

Shadows?

3D Persectives?

or other?

[latent bone]

Watch this: https://youtu.be/CbYBtvygBiQ?si=ocRos0jdxNivzHeV

Ik your going to say that you already practiced shapes, this is a bit different. Watch it fully and you can learn new stuff

[latent bone]

yes

and uh dont forget that your drawing 3d and imagine it like seriously

i have a plan now to help you get 1000x better, so first were going to practice these shapes then i will give you new shapes to draw way harder ones. Im going to go a bit more slow and help you alot more now

we may be stuck in this stage for atleast a week because there is going to be alot of hard shapes. So first watch the video

[fallen abyss]

thanks for the help

[fallen abyss]

@latent bone

i didnt draw too much

but i understread the video

[latent bone]

Niceee, that's good

[latent bone]

Draw a few more and let's see from there

[fallen abyss]

ok

[fallen abyss]

which side

top?

down?

left?

right?

[south nexus]

where can I get more of this

[dim shale]

why shading

also, if i see pro do a useful/ helpful shape can i just copy it because it works for me too

[fallen abyss]

um

[south nexus]

What are you going to practice today/tonight

When practicing drawing 3d
I find it easier to draw things in real life
Because your eyes can perceive depth

If you're using digital
It's not a bad idea to trace over body poses to get an idea on proportion

[latent bone]

You could have done any and many lol, I wasn't there yesterday sorry about that

Take this refrence.

If you ever run out of cube refrences here's another refrence that mostlikely you won't be able to complete in a day

(you don't have to do all of these but draw some (6-7), I want to understand your level of understanding)

[dim shale]

dies

[latent bone]

you try it.

[latent bone]

Ok I'm back let me explain, so anyone will understand what's a cube and how to draw it. But it be wrong, so someone who wouldn't know would draw something more like this. I mean you can understand it's a cube but as a artist who knows perspective it looks very wrong

[latent bone]

^^

I think even GK (person who were helping) can tell what's wrong because he learned stuff.

[fallen abyss]

i can draw cubes, but i drawing cubes in persective.

[fallen abyss]

i can tell what wrong about this drawing

[dense meteor]

explain it

[fallen abyss]

the front side of cube is more close to us but back side is more far from us

so when somethink far its gonna be small

but theres a problem with drawing

(iam drawing something right now)

[fallen abyss]

i think this isnt explain too much

[latent bone]

Hell yeah! Good job buddy! 👍👍👍

[fallen abyss]

iam getting better at drawing?

[latent bone]

Yep

[fallen abyss]

Lets go

[latent bone]

You drew something that would be perfect in real life

I mean you understand it, but same thing!

Tommorow, were gonna introduce alot of new stuff

So get your learning hat on

Your a drawer!

[fallen abyss]

YES

[latent bone]

(this is for tommorow incase I forget to send it: https://youtu.be/rN-dnBJUKwI?si=qkkjiuTS90d7G5eP ) after you understand this there will be alot harder shapes and many shapes to cover in one day and things to understand, I'm planing this video after when you understand the cylinder: https://youtu.be/A6KMT4Potss?si=KWr6s5jQtiryzLbN
Yep alot harder shapes and shit and also many more shapes. (After this we can learn how to stylize it into the artstyle you want, I'm guessing it's dragonball kinda style but I will help you stylize it into anime dw) This is alot so it will take a long time if it gets too boring or is leading you to burn out we can switch the topic and learn other things about art.

[fallen abyss]

wait wait wait

loomis?

what is that

is that hard?

[simple island]

its just one way to draw heads

its not hard

[latent bone]

... Very hard for a beginner easy for a intermediate or pro artist

[dim shale]

woww, these look perfect (i didnt mean to be rude but i was uninformed)

[latent bone]

It's all cool, glad you understand a bit better now : )

[fallen abyss]

do i need master at cylinders?

[latent bone]

Yep

Try your best to atleast, we will see

[haughty vapor]

just master making simple 3d shapes 👍

[fallen abyss]

ok

[south nexus]

Any advice on how to make practicing cubes/cylinders more fun?

[latent bone]

Well there's not really advice for that. I personally enjoyed it but it's probably not the same for everyone,

[south nexus]

Oof aight

[fallen abyss]

idk but i getting bored of the video

and i drawed this

idk how to draw hands

[latent bone]

Sure, just make sure when you come back to it you don't skip any parts by mistake : )

[latent bone]

That looks good : )

Btw, you can use horizonline for body's too, that's why I'm suggesting this.
Btw Just for fun do this if you wanna
Can you find out what would be the Hl and vanishing point for the drawing you drew?

[fallen abyss]

uh

[latent bone]

Hehe, well ig I will explain it to you. You learnt that anything above the horizon line will be in a above perspective and below and straight and etc etc, so where would the hl be in your drawing, (consider that shapes that we used for the body follow that hl)

[fallen abyss]

uh

hm

[latent bone]

Ask away

[fallen abyss]

ohh

ok

ok

i did get it

[latent bone]

Niceee

[fallen abyss]

this is correct? (i didnt draw this)

[latent bone]

Yeah

[fallen abyss]

oh ok ok

[latent bone]

That's 2 point perspective

[fallen abyss]

i talking about the horizon line

i remember horizon line now

[latent bone]

: ) that's good

[fallen abyss]

horizon line used for background too?

[latent bone]

Yep

Horizon line and perspective itself applies to everything in life

[latent bone]

Btw... Why is the shape below the tummy so thin? That shapes supposed to represent our ____ SOo think about how much width it be compared to rest of the body

Definetly not that thin

Learn what the shapes are supposed to represent and think. As humans we already can see stuff and the width of stuff we have it in our brain, so All you need to do is think, and it's also perfectly fine not to know at all that's why refrences are so important

[fallen abyss]

uh

its sketch

not a full drawing

[latent bone]

... Why is a sketch needed? To see the drawings angles and width of each area. So if you make something skinny when it isn't the angle will mess up too, which later will make your full drawing look unfinished or drawn in the wrong angle.

[fallen abyss]

ok

[fallen abyss]

dont take this seriously

[latent bone]

Looks pretty good,

[bold turret]

Hey @fallen abyss

A LOT of people might disagree with what I’m saying so take this with a grain of salt. I’ve been drawing for 15 years and here’s what I’ve learned. The ONLY way you can get better, is with practice. It doesn’t matter what method you choose. Try whatever is convenient for you. My whole life, I could NEVER understand anatomy or things like the loomis method. After trial and error for months, nothing clicked for me. Through repeated practice with freehand drawing I’ve just developed an instinct for proportion and anatomy. The more I draw, the fewer mistakes I make. I’ve drawn so much to the point where my hands do the work and my mind just switches off. And I still don’t have a basic understanding of anatomy. It’s just an INSANE amount of practice which developed that instinct.

Here’s a portrait I drew that incorporates elements of anatomy despite the fact that I’m a Neanderthal when it comes to that stuff.

It’s practice that allowed me to gain an understanding of shadow, lighting, proportions, and shapes.

Free handing stuff like me isn’t what I’m advising you to do. What you SHOULD do is practice

It will take years. But be patient

Do whatever is convenient for you. No matter what method you choose

[latent bone]

God damn your art is awesome

[fallen abyss]

Damn

[fallen abyss]

WAIT IS THAT A DRAWING? I THOUGHT IT WAS A PHOTO

[fallen abyss]

and thanks for helping me

[fallen abyss]

ZA WARUDO

[latent bone]

Hell yeahhh

Dude I see another face in the drawing 😨😨

[fallen abyss]

but i did draw this with looking

like not looking the drawing mostly

[latent bone]

No no, I didn't mean that like that

[fallen abyss]

another face?

[latent bone]

Another face 😨😨 do you see it, I put it in red

[fallen abyss]

ohh

ok ok

[latent bone]

I meant that as like a haha Easter egg joke lol

[fallen abyss]

wait i did accidently did a side face and its better than all my side face drawings

WHAAT

but its looks like dog

[latent bone]

Lmaooo, i first looked at that and went to he improved on side faces lmao

[fallen abyss]

yo i did cheat beacuse i did the drawing without sketch? only just looking the other manga drawing?

[latent bone]

There's no cheating in art

[fallen abyss]

oh ok

but i didnt drawed with my mind

i did by Looking

[latent bone]

The greatest of painters use refrences for their favourite peices,

It's called a reference, we learn by looking

[fallen abyss]

wait so if i do like these things my muscle memory gonna

uh

like pewdiepie did this too

[latent bone]

Yeah, it's going to remember it

[fallen abyss]

and he improved good

ok iam gonna do jujutsu kaisen drawings

beacuse i love jujutsu kaisen art style

[latent bone]

Yeah sure, make sure to understand what your drawing too

[fallen abyss]

like what?

the body shapes?

how the body is like?

or how the arm is long?

[latent bone]

I mean like, yk how we draw circle for head and for all other features. You gotta understand

[fallen abyss]

oh

[latent bone]

Yes understand everything try to atleast haha

[fallen abyss]

a one time i was trying to make my method(anatomy) like tracing the body, making shapes for upperbody like that

[latent bone]

btw some of the arm length changes is because of perspective right pick up on it a bit

[fallen abyss]

i was tracing and drawing shapes for the body,

[latent bone]

Yeah that's good

[fallen abyss]

iam gonna do that when i draw the sukuna without cloth

[latent bone]

Were you trying that while you thought 2d shapes is what were trying to do? Or was it after you knew 3d shape

[fallen abyss]

(no he have pant but he dont have shirt

3d

idk i was tracing

and how 3d works in body

[latent bone]

Nice

[fallen abyss]

and i cant understread how iam gonna draw 3d body without line for 3d

i think i need to understread shadow?

[latent bone]

Hl?

[fallen abyss]

wait wait iam gonna draw something

[latent bone]

Sure

Im very confused on what line your refering to, since you said painting did you mean countour lines? Or like the perspective stuff

[fallen abyss]

do i need learn how shadow works?

or iam wrong?

i think iam wrong

[latent bone]

Hi

[latent bone]

So to answer that, you aren't doing shadow. Your doing the side plain of body. Just like square

[fallen abyss]

and full drawing = the character drawings you draw on the sketch

no no iam asking how iam gonna make the body 3d without the line like the red line

[latent bone]

Why do you wanna remove it?

[fallen abyss]

or why iam asking this when you draw a character with shirt or shirtless you can make the character look 3d with details

[fallen abyss]

is this correct?

[latent bone]

Ohhh wait let me type this out

Most people draw the line on the clothes many, use the fabric of the clothes to make the 3d look correct,

[fallen abyss]

yeah i was saying that

[latent bone]

Is the problem cleared?

Or am I not understanding

[fallen abyss]

mission completed

i understread now how iam gonna draw 3D Bodies

[latent bone]

Okay cool

[fallen abyss]

i think problem solved right? or i need some learnings too for 3D bodies?

ohhh

wait

wait

i get it

lol

the lines make sketch 3d

[latent bone]

Yep

[fallen abyss]

in full drawings details make the drawing 3D (like fabric lines of shirt, shadows and more)

[fallen abyss]

yeah

[latent bone]

Hehe

[fallen abyss]

WE SOLVED THE PROBLEM

FINALLY

[latent bone]

Lol haha

[fallen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/9795s-spongebob-gif-22617692

https://tenor.com/view/right-now-it’s-just-that-everything-feels-right-sorry-amanai-gojo-sorry-jjk-gif-6689060642723775612

[latent bone]

Heyy btw when r u drawing next?

[mortal orchid]

read all of this from the top, its crazy how fast you improved GK

[latent bone]

Yeah it is pretty fast ngl, your improving fast GK

[fallen abyss]

hm

wait

2 month 4 days?

i did make this chat 2 month 4 days ago?

damn

its 64 days

HOW

time is fast

bro what a

i think pucci is in real life bruh

[fallen abyss]

i cant find references

[fallen abyss]

i didnt finished yet

[unborn cobalt]

Ayo wtf

[fallen abyss]

did you like it?

[fallen abyss]

i did draw this without reference

[fallen abyss]

added some things

[bold turret]

Thanks : )

That’s what 15 years of drawing does to a man

[bold turret]

Your art is getting so much better

[latent bone]

When drawing try and measure stuff, so like try and think when drawing stuff how big is this compared to the hand or any thing you have already drawn. So example this head is the same size as the arm not including hand. Or even you could say head size is half the size of the upper body. So I'm just using head as a example but when you finish drawing on thing like the hand immediately think how big is next thing compared to this.

Also remembering in the sketching phase where there isn't much details try and ask yourself, what angle is this?

[latent bone]

Example is this, this angle is more straight

Okay that's enough info dumping I think lol

[elfin shore]

Something to note is that gege mostly uses sharp angles for the faces, so you could expect the chins to be sharp and narrow just like in the image

The forearms seem to also be straighter in the manga panel

[jolly bridge]

damn bro had a whole server members gathering

[elfin shore]

Fr

[fallen abyss]

when i draw manga panels i draw for fun and for my muscle memory

[fallen abyss]

but what a

angle details?

[fallen abyss]

oh and the drawing is the same but i drawed leg so the angle looks like wrong

back side leg

[teal willow]

Learn gestures first and use the shapes you learned so far

[latent bone]

So do you know what's a angle? If you don't uh it's pretty ez, a circle is 360 so if you half it it will look like a 90 degree so yeah. The reason why I said angle is wrong is because chest is angled to like what a 60 degree angle but flipped while it should have been straight. That's all there is to angles, well ig people also say if the charector part facing the wrong way also a angle ig that's what you thought when I said that haha

[fallen abyss]

my brain cant understand that

sorry

and i didnt draw the angles detailed

beacuse when i was trying to draw detailed drawing became wrong so i erase and drawed and it look like that

but its yuji? yes

the only thing is angles are not the same too much

its correct? yes

its need to be correct not the same as the angle

its just a reference

not drawing full

so thats why the angle is not same too much

so you all like dont need to explain too much, i need the answer that is this correct for body

[winter lion]

oh my lord this thread has 1319 messages 😭

[reef sluice]

1321*

[elfin shore]

ive seen a thread with 60k+...

[bold turret]

NO WAY

[fallen abyss]

WHAT A HELL THEY ARE TEXTING ABOUT?

THE THREAD CREATOR LEARNING ART 0 TO 100?

[elfin shore]

It's in another server but it was just a super long political argument thread about 🇮🇱 🇵🇸

[fallen abyss]

oh

its making more sense now

[elfin shore]

Sorry if changed the subject way too much but how's your progress so far? @fallen abyss

[haughty vapor]

stand with palpatine
the galactic empire did nothing wrong

[visual spear]

the 13 court squad guards vs jujutsu sorcerers 🔥🔥

[haughty vapor]

fr

[fallen abyss]

bro what you guys talking about?

[fallen abyss]

hell nah you calling palastine as palpatine? and why you saying galactic empire

hell nah bro

[haughty vapor]

its a joke
im not trying to get political and im not taking either side

[cosmic parrot]

It's a Star Wars reference/joke 🫣

[cosmic parrot]

#ExplainingTheJoke. Palpatine, which sounds like Palestine, was the emperor of the galactic empire in Star Wars. It just sounds the same. It's not an political statement. It's more a star wars political statement if anything.

Anyway, how's your drawing coming along? 😅

[latent bone]

https://youtube.com/shorts/78geLj7souE?si=jCm_R0bYxlslc1dQ
Idk why I'm sending this but it's kind of fun no

[spare walrus]

This entire forum is so cute and wholesome

i wish nothing but cold pillows and cold water for u all

[fallen abyss]

ah hell nah

school gonna open 2 weeks after for me

[fallen abyss]

V

just random drawing,no serious or anything else

i cant draw hands

[latent bone]

You made a cylinder into a skinny oval lol

[fallen abyss]

ok

[waxen shale]

split the body parts into diff shapes.
like arms as cylinders and torso and hips as cubes

[fallen abyss]

hmm

ok

[fallen abyss]

a

[elfin shore]

https://youtube.com/shorts/U98raNNVwEg?si=o9JXUO3s_e1rHnOy

[fallen abyss]

why when i draw on the paper art is looking diffirent?

[fallen abyss]

Too many jojo references

[latent bone]

Idk probably becuz you have been measuring stuff differently, in irl if you look at it from below the drawing will be different. So it's best to look at it from full straight and middle rather than other stuff. I'm not actually sure why but it's just my guess

Btw, have you watched the cylinder video I sent you very long ago?

[latent bone]

To be honest idk how you even got this, btw tell me when your free idk let's just practice heads at different angles (like 3/4th view) I kinda need more information on what's going wrong here

[fallen abyss]

this is correct for anotomy or not?

[full fiber]

Learn simple shapes and anatomy before trying to draw an entire body in a difficult pose

[latent bone]

It isn't

[latent bone]

Exactly

[fallen abyss]

i did learn simple shapes

box anotomy method is good too right?

[fallen abyss]

this drawing looks bad

[latent bone]

Yeah, but it's a bit more accurate then your other ones. Another thing you drew the boxes wrong, like I'm confused I thought you learned it

[latent bone]

This ain't a box if it goes different directions

[latent bone]

I don't think I need to explain because you have learnt this already

Okay second thing, The box method isn't that easy as to only using boxes for everything. Uh let me find a tutorial

[mighty lark]

Idk if recommending box method is a good method to recommend to a beginner

[latent bone]

Wait ima find a good tutorial with beginner friendlyness

[latent bone]

What method do you think would be good?

Btw I didnt recommend it to GK, idk he first watched a anatomy tutorial beffore I came on here I tried to say that tutorial wasnt to good then uh ig he wanted a similar method and I have him a box tutorial now that I think back that tutorial wasnt that good lol

[latent bone]

Nvm, now that I'm remembering how to do the box method, I'm remembering it's dependant on knowing where the ribcage and pelvis already is 💀

Yeah no box method for GK

[hazy light]

I got a question about the shape for body stuff how I do I transform the shapes into an actual body xD

[latent bone]

Well, first step is to know what your shapes are representing. Then you would have to learn the stuff there representing, and go into more detail about it. Like cylinders for arms, you can search up how to draw arm anatomy you will get each muscle and how to draw them

Yk it's sorta like that, constructing and knowing what it represents is the first phase , drawing what it represents is the other phase

If you cant draw the easy cylinders then you won't be able to draw the individual muscles we will carve and add into later

[latent bone]

Okay I went offline for a bit, back now

[latent bone]

Pleasee just learn the basic shapes, you got the box it's only a few more then you can learn more complex shapes

[latent bone]

Drawing on my phone without being able to zoom is so hard, this isn't accurate but like it should show you that there is something to improve on

[fallen abyss]

my hand cant go straight

[fallen abyss]

thats why this box looks weird

[fallen abyss]

learn it? ye i learned 2 months ago

and i cant draw actual body

i cant learn it correctly

its gonna take 10 years to learn and draw actual good body

i think my hands are not for drawing

[fallen abyss]

look this sh**

i be gonna honest, all my drawings are sh**

they looking same when i trying to draw a body

nothings changed

iam soo sorry for stealing your time

all of my drawings have soo many problems

my drawings are not even %4 good

[latent bone]

I mean you learned the square you forgot to do cylinders

[latent bone]

To get to a artist who has drawn for 10 + years (the drawer for dragon ball) What makes you think this journey is going to be fast af, but I will promise you one thing with consistency and the right techniques you can draw anatomy atleast 90% of him inside 2-3 years. Yeah long time right? This is because not everyone has perfect idea of 3d and nobody has that good luck on how they draw angles unless what they are 1 percent of the entire community. Most artists spend 3-4 years learning anatomy beffore they fully learn it and that's not something that's easy or can change, 4 years isn't that long if you have fun and can laugh off stuff then improve, so that's what I recommend everyone to do. Your drawings maybe 4% good but guess what? Your a beginner yo thats normal, you will level up later on and another thing don't even worry about "stealing time" this is what I participated for and honestly your a beginner, I don't expect you to learn all this so fast

[latent bone]

Trust me you will, I will help you okay?

[latent bone]

Okay so one thing, the spine this will make your poses more organic, (you don't have to memorise the names of each part of spine just know how it works, this is also part of basic anatomy but isn't talked about much and I forgot too)

https://youtu.be/t4Dzo95Vpb0?si=Ujj7mJfWvGkGQoKs

Second thing each charector in dragon ball has different face shapes and body shapes so it will be different keep it in mind. So talking about shapes first we gotta understand the shapes from side view and front view others don't matter as much becuz from front we get plane one (yk how in boxes we have 4 plains so we gonna call the front plane front plane.) front plane thickness and from side we get side plain thickness. Back plain is same as front and side is same as other side. So let's break down the shapes of Goku with squares 👌. At first glance you may think side view doesn't fit in a box but becuz of spine it kind of rotates so it does fit.

[full fiber]

DO NOT START WITH PERSPECTIVE. ALWAYS USE REAL LIFE REFERENCES!!!!!

[latent bone]

Uh- do you perhaps mean don't start with hard perspectives? Idk for me starting with shapes and perspective helped alot, so maybe your saying don't do hard perspectives?

[full fiber]

Yes no hard perspectives, you can do simple singular shapes in perspectives but just not whole bodies yet. First learn simple anatomy

[fallen abyss]

wait, i need to draw spine all the time when i draw poses?

[latent bone]

Uh ussually artists draw it as a line, it doesn't really show so some people just tend to keep the spine in mind for now you should draw it as it is or as a line, it be better that way

[elfin shore]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kct35o3JuSE?si=8t8qmrCkkWBmKnbi

Do you know what vanishing points are, I think it would ACTUALLY boost your art @fallen abyss

[latent bone]

it was in the video I sent him about boxs I'm pretty sure he watched and understood it but just is forgetting a bit now lol

[fallen abyss]

oh oke 👍

[fallen abyss]

thanks for the video

wait

[fallen abyss]

my hands are cant go straight

so thats why lines are bad

[latent bone]

Did you draw it then put image on top?

[fallen abyss]

no

the image is under the drawing

i did trace

tracing

[latent bone]

How did you mess up tracing

[fallen abyss]

look, thats why

[latent bone]

Why didn't you just undo it then

[fallen abyss]

undo it wat?

i need to do again?

ok iam gonna do now

[latent bone]

Nono

I mean undo button

[fallen abyss]

ye

i undo it

[latent bone]

I Don't understand what's going on right now

I'm seriously just confused on what's happening

[fallen abyss]

iam just practicing

do i losed all my skills or what?

i just trying to practice

[latent bone]

You didn't lose skill, I'm just very confused on how your hand isn't going the right direction especially with tracing

[fallen abyss]

my hands curving little

[latent bone]

yeah no, we need to learn line art rn if you cant do that

Okay so what device do you use

And do you use any pen?

[fallen abyss]

ugee tablet

i using pen

[fallen abyss]

how iam gonna draw without pen?

lol

[latent bone]

Okay that's nice

[fallen abyss]

wait you thinking i was drawing with mouse? 💀

[latent bone]

Some people finger draw, I'm one of finger drawers

[latent bone]

Nono I wasn't, just asking

Okay so first thing, make big strokes using your shoulder

[fallen abyss]

oh ok

[fallen abyss]

MY SHOULDER?

WHAT

[latent bone]

Yeah it gives more precision

Lift up your shoulder and don't use your wrist

[fallen abyss]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[latent bone]

?

[fallen abyss]

how iam gonna use pen with my shoulder

[latent bone]

Hold pen, don't move wrist move shoulder instead

And elbows

[fallen abyss]

shoulder?

my shoulder only go foward and back

[latent bone]

Yk how your shoulder can MOVE?

[latent bone]

What??

Thee

[fallen abyss]

you cant move ur shoulder?

i can move my shoulder like water wheel

[latent bone]

Can you not do the those then either?

[fallen abyss]

what

[latent bone]

Mispell

Fuck

[fallen abyss]

dayum

[latent bone]

Can you not do the t pose

Then either

Yo?

[fallen abyss]

yo?

[latent bone]

Hi

[fallen abyss]

wsp

[latent bone]

Nothin much

[fallen abyss]

ok what now?

[latent bone]

Your shoulders can move up down front back

[fallen abyss]

ye

[fallen abyss]

i did remade

but its looks bad again

[latent bone]

Why are you bending the boxes

Like seriously

[fallen abyss]

iam not

its looks like bending

[fallen abyss]

ye what?

[latent bone]

My internet

Is shit

[fallen abyss]

oh

[latent bone]

Okay see, left side of chest box

[fallen abyss]

ye

[latent bone]

Okay also it's not that hard to draw boxes

Gib me a sec

[fallen abyss]

ok fixed

i said my hands cant go straight

when i draw box

my hands are curving

[latent bone]

Try using your shoulder and try again

Wait a second, your drawing it wrong on top of the picture too

Huhh

Yk that the chest/ribcage can move separately than the pelvis right?

(pelvis is the box you use for the butt)

Omg wait let me write everything I need to say

[fallen abyss]

damn

lets be honest

my hands are not for drawing

[latent bone]

The circles represent the SHOULDERS, the first box is for the CHEST and it can be in a angle

[latent bone]

I just think you don't understand many things about drawing

[fallen abyss]

i cant draw a fucking basic line

how iam gonna draw a fucking body?

[latent bone]

Well you gotta start somewhere.

[fallen abyss]

I CANT DRAW A FUCKING RIGHT LINE HOW IAM GONNA DRAW THE FUCKING THINGS

IF I CANT DRAW A BASIC LINE HOW IAM GONNA DRAW A FUCKING BODY

[latent bone]

Another thing about line art. Make a line and see where your pen lands and where your ink lands (not sure what the word for ink in digital is)

[latent bone]

WELL LEARN IT THEN

[fallen abyss]

IAM LEARNING BRUHG

[latent bone]

THEN DONT COMPLAIN

[fallen abyss]

I DONT KNOW WHAT IAM GONNA DO

[latent bone]

YOUR GOING TO LEARN ART AND HOW IS YOUR CHOICE

Honestly, yk what no chicken scratching anymore either I have learnt it hinders your ability to make a line

[fallen abyss]

wait wait

look i did fucking draw lines

this isnt straight

[latent bone]

Not good ones

[fallen abyss]

exactly

[latent bone]

Yeah

Did you on pen stability on your software

[fallen abyss]

ye

look

i did slowly

its fucking curving

i didnt move my wrist

i moved my arm

[latent bone]

It's not really about slow or fast, it's about geting the right zone where you can draw precicesly but also fast

By fast I mean not slow that it becomes wobbly

[latent bone]

Chill, take it easy. Try again and learn from last time

[fallen abyss]

i did fast

i did fast

and

its fucking curve again

[latent bone]

How

[fallen abyss]

I DONT KNO

KNOW

[latent bone]

Hmm try different things than last time, try and make it straight no matter what

[fallen abyss]

I CANT

[latent bone]

Without chicken scratching, like focus on the line and do stuff differently

[latent bone]

Chill, these are just few first attempts so what?

[fallen abyss]

FOR A FUCKING LINE?

[latent bone]

Yeah

I have seen others struggle with it alot too

[fallen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

iam gonna say something

sketchs need to be perfect?

[latent bone]

Not perfect

But sketches do make 80 percent of the drawing

So the better the sketch the better the outcome

I wish I had better advice to help you with this, I really don't

Have any advice

[fallen abyss]

why iam getting tired of art

[latent bone]

Because your mindset isnt that good and also because you have been geting very slow progress and forgetting the stuff you previously learnt that's probably why

[fallen abyss]

ok

[fallen abyss]

what iam gonna do now?

[teal willow]

yo im here to help bud, looks like ur having trouble with lines.

I have a suggestion try these.

draw two dots where u want the line to be

now connect those two dots

now you can try only imagining these two dots

and try connecting those imaginary dots

I recommend connecting them in one fluid motion

if its hard to make a straight line, especially in awkward position. try rotating the whole canvas where you can comfortably draw straight lines

also be patient bro, and learn the fundamentals in the right order

[elfin shore]

No problem, that youtube channel shares a lot of super helpful advice for anatomy and guidelines if you wanna check them out

[elfin shore]

Omg this looks so good. Your def improving a lot

[elfin shore]

Oh I use this technique for line art and it's super solid 👌

[latent bone]

Practice lines lol

[latent bone]

Damn good advice

[fallen abyss]

schools gonna open 1 week after (For me)

[fallen abyss]

iam gonna ask something

do i improving fast?

[latent bone]

Not fast just normal

Btw how sure are you that you have onned pen stability? Can you send a screenshot that it's on

There's just this very little wobblyness that I just feel comes from no pen stability maybe I'm wrong though

I was watching a video for my own line art and I think this is more of shows what I was talking about

[latent bone]

Screenshot came blurry

Okay I can't get a non blurry screenshot but I think you can see enough to know the difference

[fallen abyss]

i didnt trace

and its better

[fallen abyss]

i can show you

[latent bone]

Sure

[fallen abyss]

look

[latent bone]

? Uh what's that proving?

https://youtu.be/HWfuZqbEmu8?si=hx5t5jEOaMoC2iIj

Just on it

[fallen abyss]

wha

[latent bone]

I think your confusing pen pressure where the lines get thinner if you don't press as hard

[fallen abyss]

look

[latent bone]

I understand and I think you should on pen stability not only pressure

[fallen abyss]

o

[latent bone]

Theres a tutorial that takes 2 mins

[latent bone]

.

[fallen abyss]

i dont have tool options

[latent bone]

Okay one second let me figure out your software

Okay look, you have your thing in a different language. In the tutorial guys window it's written as tools at the fully top.

[fallen abyss]

iam gonna look in yt

beacuse i changed settings of the krita

[latent bone]

Probably this one, then I'm guessing you will have different things because of your language

(you do know like the language your using right?)

Well uh idk how well but then after you click tools you gotta click "dockers" then you have to enable some kinda thing probably

[fallen abyss]

i got it

ok i did it

and i need change my pen

[latent bone]

Sure I guess

[fallen abyss]

but

[latent bone]

In the software right

[fallen abyss]

ye

but diffirent pens dont have stabilization

[latent bone]

Ohh, why don't you onn it for other stuff then? Is that not a option in krita?

[fallen abyss]

no no

like

idk

like uh

do u know brushes right?

[latent bone]

Yes

[fallen abyss]

they have stabilization

but pencils dont have that

they have only pen pressure

[latent bone]

Oh shit, are there any good brushes you can use?

[fallen abyss]

theres like 100+ pen and brushe

brushes

[fallen abyss]

yeah

i have

[latent bone]

Hmm get a good brush and use that

[fallen abyss]

look

[latent bone]

Looks good

[fallen abyss]

pose good look right?

[latent bone]

Yeah

[fallen abyss]

and clean

but i didnt draw that with brush

i did use pencişl

pencil

[latent bone]

It's gonna be the same tho, pencil or brushes doesn't make you good you make yourself good

Hey uh, I have a question

[latent bone]

What are these for

[fallen abyss]

its correct

the tringale is correct

[latent bone]

No it's just a question

[fallen abyss]

tringale is for legs

[latent bone]

Huh?

Okay wait let me explain something

[fallen abyss]

its more easy when you draw tringale

[latent bone]

Im pretty sure the only works when they are standing straight up. Let me show you why

[fallen abyss]

yeah?

[latent bone]

If you don't include muscle, this guys leg wouldn't be like that

[fallen abyss]

ok so how iam gonna draw?

without the tringale

[latent bone]

Okay so, let's first remove the triangle and just make the cube go more down

[fallen abyss]

removed the tringale

[latent bone]

Now if you add two circles for the thighs, (I drew this speedruning so it looks a bit bad)

You can move legs freely, now

This means alot more poses are possible with this

You can move it this direction, and front and back

[fallen abyss]

wait

wait

wait

wait

[latent bone]

Yeah then you will need the triangle shape to shape it out, but that's details for later

[fallen abyss]

when i add circle

[latent bone]

Yeah?

[fallen abyss]

its look bad

[latent bone]

Could you show me a pic?

[fallen abyss]

i deleted the circles

[latent bone]

So then I add like a cylinder shape kinda

[latent bone]

No problem, can you explain it then

[fallen abyss]

i cant add circles

[latent bone]

You cant draw circles is what your saying?

[bleak sonnet]

Not sure of the direction you are trying to go to learn anatomy, but you should remember your line of action and balance.
The line of action is the overall movement, which doesn’t seem to be present in your drawing. I would recommend referencing the negative space in a reference!

[fallen abyss]

ye

[fallen abyss]

i just trying to draw correctly

not the pose himself

[latent bone]

Yeah, were going a bit all over the place because we forgot to do line art stuff oof

[fallen abyss]

if its correct for anotomy

iam ok

[bleak sonnet]

This is will help you draw correctly ☺️
Our bodies have a line of action and balance, this will aid you with anatomy and possibly make it easier!

[fallen abyss]

i trying to draw correctly for anotomy

if the my drawing is correct for anotomy

iam ok

iam not trying to draw the pose seriously

iam drawing for practice

and correct for anotomy

[bleak sonnet]

I understand but following simple tips like that will most definitely help you practice anatomy

[fallen abyss]

it.. ok bruh

ok ok

i think you didnt understand

but

ok

[latent bone]

Yo BG draw a circle, and send a screenie, lets just practice lines first

[fallen abyss]

which circle?

clean

or circle for heads

[latent bone]

Uh clean nice circle

(just try your best and send, I think you won't get it correctly because we haven't practiced this

[latent bone]

That seems good

[latent bone]

Okay that's a bit worse, try and do it a bit smaller maybe

[fallen abyss]

this is fucking look like rock

how that is worse?

[teal willow]

bro's line already better

[latent bone]

Yeah, he didn't know what was pen stabilization. It was a easy fix ngl

Or maybe he did some more practice too I don't know. I just said him about pen stabilization

[fallen abyss]

ok now what we gonna do with the circle?

[latent bone]

I was trying to draw something to make you understand, it didn't work out

So first thing, you can actually trace circles on top of a better circle

To make your self more used to it

[fallen abyss]

🤔

[latent bone]

If you want dots like how the other person said try and imagine it but remember to curve it so it doesn't look like a different shape

[fallen abyss]

why we trying to practice fucking circle

[latent bone]

Where are you gonna start then huh?

[fallen abyss]

i can draw circle

[latent bone]

Okay then, why did you say you couldn't when I said to draw it that time

[fallen abyss]

do you know this circle method right?

[latent bone]

Yeah I know it, I don't really use it because it makes my sketch seem more confusing

[fallen abyss]

i didnt mean "i cant draw circle" i trying to say when i draw circle on that pose drawing its look weird

[latent bone]

Oh yeah and guess what I asked when you said that?

[fallen abyss]

my brain cant take longer

[latent bone]

.

You said yes?

[fallen abyss]

oh shit

i readed that wrong

[latent bone]

Lol wanna stop for today then?

[latent bone]

Ohh

[fallen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[latent bone]

Lol

[fallen abyss]

big brain moment

[latent bone]

Can you actually explain what's wrong then?

[fallen abyss]

nothing is wrong

but

the pose drawing is already finished

[latent bone]

Huh

[fallen abyss]

so when i trying to draw circle

its looks weird

[latent bone]

Okay

Ig that makes sense

[fallen abyss]

ye

i think

tringale was useful

tringale makes drawing leg easy

[latent bone]

Also makes it wrong, if you wanna use a triangle you gotta acknowledge that legs don't move with it

[fallen abyss]

come on bruh

its a sketch

tringale will gonna gone when its gonna be a full character drawing

its a method to draw

[latent bone]

Okay but sketches make the drawing, sure it doesn't have to be perfect but atleast use it in a way where the legs move separately from it

[fallen abyss]

sketches make the drawing

but tringale not gonna show up

[latent bone]

Okay one second, will you just remove the triangle so that the legs are floating then connect them to the other square which would mess up your length for the legs. What do you use it for

[fallen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/prowler-gif-16313214234086229950

[latent bone]

The guidelines of legs don't exist because legs can move so much. Something that it doesn't always work

[fallen abyss]

wait wiat

[latent bone]

Yeah?

[fallen abyss]

the tringale lines gonna go

not the full

[fallen abyss]

look, like this

[latent bone]

Okay that's what I'm complaining about triangle lines going doesn't matter, I'm complaining that your using it as a guideline for your leg

[fallen abyss]

i have something in my mind

ik how to fix legs

[latent bone]

What is it?

[fallen abyss]

but i cant explain how to do it

[latent bone]

How exactly?

[latent bone]

Sure then

[fallen abyss]

its a secret

[latent bone]

What if you just used the circle method I thought you,

Just on your uh triangle

[fallen abyss]

circle method dont work on my drawing

(its works only for shoulder and head

[latent bone]

Why not?

Just explain that I will let you do your own thing

[fallen abyss]

i did say already..

or not

who knows

[latent bone]

You didn't the furthest we got was you said no to not knowing circles and then it being a misunderstanding

AHHH

[fallen abyss]

tringale is much easy

[latent bone]

Your gonna freak when you do 3/4th side bodies then lmao

[fallen abyss]

i can use other methods

[latent bone]

Yeah what are those

[fallen abyss]

method

[latent bone]

using different methods for different views is gonna be crazy

But ig it's possible

Slower and harder but possible

Now I just thought about it more becuz your a beginner you kind of wouldn't know WHEN to switch methods probably

Dude picks the hardest ways to get to his goals lmao

[fallen abyss]

iam gonna take breake for this day

iam gonna practice tomorrow

[latent bone]

Practice this tommorow, and since it's practice don't worry about finishing it just let it be something where you can change the drawing even when you think it's too late to fix something okay? And no chicken scratching, just think imaginary dots

[fallen abyss]

i need to draw box body right?

with that reference

@latent bone

[latent bone]

Ye

[elfin shore]

Yeah definitely better

[tawdry robin]

From that first drawing to this is a mayor improvement, good job dude :3 keep practicing, idk much about anatomy personally in which eventually i really need to get into it but really, great job ✨

[latent bone]

@fallen abyss this is what I do to make the charector feel more real, I'm not really sure I can call it elbow, it's just supposed to be the joint for the arm. Yeah that seems a better name for it. The circle for this doesn't have to be perfect either lol. I mostly only draw it when the cylinders arent covering everything. Ngl, you have been improving alot even if you haven't noticed it. There's still little things that you should keep in mind about but your geting there

[fallen abyss]

oke

how iam gonna draw the

legs

wait

ok i fixed the drawing

[latent bone]

Try and just draw circles and cylinders, for the legs

Just try it and see how far you go, btw your forgetting spine

[fallen abyss]

i didnt

look closely

and circles looks bad when its a side wiew

and its not working

[elfin shore]

I think this video has some helpful advice for your anatomy 🙂
https://youtube.com/shorts/UvjtB2XNoY0?si=knq72aidNDpHyM4j

[latent bone]

Other than the clothes, which you can add on later

This is the same thing but on your drawing, actually uh when I said you to practice this, I said take note of the shapes. This is because our bodies look thinner from the side, yk how you learnt boxes human bodies arent perfect boxes, this means that your going to have to learn different shapes in different perspectives. These are harder to do than a box. Also another thing you may be doing is not trying to learn from refrence. Your using your current knowledge on the refrence, yes but you should also learn from the refrence, look at width and height and angles of everything. Think about what makes this different than other anime drawings. Yeah so you aren't trying to draw the refrence in a way but Learn the refrence. This means the more you draw with refrences the more you will improve.

Lol I drew a very wonky box

Honestly adding the spine is something that's important too

The person above gave a video and look at your refrences spine.

[latent bone]

I'm not the best at spines

I actually learnt it late in my art, I used to just memorise how the ribcage and pelvis are rotated in side view never really learnt why until a bit ago, improved everything in my drawings simpler and harder poses. I'm still not the best at it but yeah

Btw wtf I just realised that you made clean line art, no chicken scratching let's goo

Ur op

[fallen abyss]

私の名前はBGで、私は良い引き出しになるつもりです!

(one piece reference)

iam gonna do thinner

side profile

iam gonna do thinner when its side profile

[fallen abyss]

like you said

[elfin shore]

I sent a good video about spines if you wanna see it. Super helpful

[elfin shore]

Here

[latent bone]

Thanks!

[latent bone]

Good, still missing a spine though, so a spine looks like this (the white part) in side view and the boxes Rotate when that happens. In your drawing neither does it match realistic spine and niether the refrences spine.

[cosmic shale]

Nearly 2000 messages in this chat wow

Toodaloo

[latent bone]

Lol, I think atleast 40% are from me and BG

Still alot lmao

[fallen abyss]

but theres a chat that have 2500+ messages

me and rillet meet in that chat

[bright fern]

Well

I was gonna suggest stuff, but this chat is the largest thread I've ever seen

[latent bone]

You might as well suggest it with just looking at the newest one

[bright fern]

So he's focusing on anatomy of the body? Realistically or Cartoonish?

Or they sorry

[latent bone]

We gotta beat them🫡

[latent bone]

Like anime but dragon ball z style

[bright fern]

I've been drawing the dragon ball z style for 2+ years, I can give some insight

[latent bone]

Nicee

[bright fern]

It's my primary style so let's take a look at what they've done currently

[latent bone]

They are kinda just learning anatomy rn

[bright fern]

It's a good start, Z's style is very boxy, kinda basic but extremely detailed muscles

[latent bone]

Yeahh

True

[bright fern]

So when I draw, I usually start with the head, a basic circle works then I continue with mainly squares and rectangles to decide where each muscle goes

They miss out certain muscles groups and focus on those that have a big impact on screen

They're more blocky

[elfin shore]

Danggg

[latent bone]

Damn that's good

[latent bone]

What do you use rectangles for?

[bright fern]

I use it to determine the legs, since they're more long and thick due to the Gis

[latent bone]

Makes sense

[bright fern]

But it depends, it seems you're trying to reference Dragon Ball Super Broly's Version of Goku

A lot simpler, and a lot nicer to look at

I'll show a quick timelapse of what I do to begin with, hold on

A super fast one I just drew

It's about getting the pose, then the sketch, then the line art

[cosmic shale]

lol real if the chats too big for me to catch up I just scroll to another

[bright fern]

Yeah I don't blame you

[fallen abyss]

iam a male so you can call me "he" instead "they"

[fallen abyss]

dayum

[latent bone]

Yeah sure

[fallen abyss]

uhh

and

[fallen abyss]

did i say uhh iam gonna draw dragon ball z style?

[bright fern]

Using Goku as a reference made them assume that I'm guessing, since using him as a reference gives off that impression

[fallen abyss]

ok

i just using pose references

and i love goku

[fallen abyss]

i cant draw the legs

[fallen abyss]

i cant draw body (getting more better)

true right?

iam getting better

and

i think

what a fuck

theres fucking 44 people in this chat

💀

[latent bone]

Oh sorry, I assumed because most of the time you used dragon ball refrences. Which one do you wanna learn?

Do you wanna start with realism instead if your not sure what style you want

Uhh pose refrences do make the pose more of that style, everystyle does proportions a bit differently. For dragon ball you can definetly see it in the face and chest. For other styles like JJK they have more realistic but anime proportions just examples

[fallen abyss]

oh

ok

hmm

idk

like

uh

[latent bone]

Lol, if you don't know we can learn semirealism that will allow you to go to any anime style or realism. Don't worry much about it to much, artstyles don't do much

[fallen abyss]

ok

but i dont love realism style

i love anime style

[latent bone]

Oky

[elfin shore]

do you know which kind of anime styles you like? Like specific eye styles or poses or body, etc etc

That can help you in the future when you want to develop your own style since your still learning the fundamentals

and once you learn the fundamentals you break them to make your style

[fallen abyss]

🤔

i love the style of eye is naruto

the body art style is jujutsu kaisen

the hair drawing style is demon slayer

[latent bone]

Ohh nice

[latent bone]

Hey btw, what would you prefer do you rather do some deep studies on spefic parts and how to draw them with shapes etc or would you rather learn like everything together and get angles and other stuff right with it. Because some people do make more progress when they are using the strategy they are better with, I was just thinking because when you learned the eye I think you were having alot of fun unless I'm wrong

Like except of tackling everything at once we just do a very deep dive on specific parts, etc etc?

[fallen abyss]

what

my brain is cant handle this

[latent bone]

Nothing to worry about then

Didn't mean to fry up your brain lol, what I'm saying isn't too serious anyway

[fallen abyss]

ok

[latent bone]

https://youtu.be/qoZB9ieSVfs?si=r5zsFw7fyWMnUhRj

I think this can help you alot. Ussually everything is very stiff and you don't really get how to use these boxs. Knowing the front, side and everything for the ribcage and pelvis is very important.

[latent bone]

Only do the exercise shown in video but I thought I would give a example of this

It's not my art btw, I just drew boxes over it to give you a example

Drawing with no zooming in is hard in phone so the boxes aren't correct lol

[fallen abyss]

oke

[fallen abyss]

yo iam not gonna go to school tomorro

so iam gonna practice like 1 hour

and i have a question

when i can draw good pose box method

iam gonna learn how to draw characters?

[bright fern]

You will

[elfin shore]

Until you find it easy to do, and then you incorporate anatomy more to perfect your art

[fallen abyss]

sorry, i need to use chicken sketching for legs

i fixed the arms

other arm fixed too

• spine

iam doing good?

[lucid crater]

yes!!!!!!! those look great

[fallen abyss]

finished 👍

[twilit cedar]

I just saw this journey and oh my god you are improving so much, never give up on your dreams

[night crow]

nice improvement!!

[night crow]

One thing I just wanna hop in and suggest is that you should make the torso a bit thinner towards the abdomen. Men's chests are a bit wider at the top, and then their abdomen is always a bit smaller than their shoulders and chest! Although, females' waists are smaller, so don't make the waist too small.

[latent bone]

Good job! Your doing great

[quasi shard]

Doing awesome! Saw how much you improved and very impressed 👏

[latent bone]

If you still wanna improve more read this

So in side view things are rotated a bit because of the spine, it's how the spine sits without anything. I put how much you should rotate it (except for 90, I wrote that so it be easier to show it's not straight). Btw geting the exact line to be perfectly this amount of angle is hard its because of practice I can do it. Just try to get near 65 and you probably will end up with 60 or 70 don't worry much

Hmm once your a bit more experienced I will make you watch the sine video again so you can actually know how the spine moves lol.

[fallen abyss]

uh

[fallen abyss]

i cant get fun when i drawing

[fallen abyss]

yo

getting money from drawings is good?