#Skimmer Sho Strategies

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west veldt
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Tips to be faster in Skimmer's Lair runs

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Running while someone in the line is fighting puts you in combat mode, which prevents you from running without consuming stamina. This is not good. Thus, going into a line where there is as few people mitigates this risk

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Consequently, lines with few people often have world bosses undefeated, and going anywhere near them will put you in combat mode. This is also not good. The world bosses should be defeated before starting the run

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Normally, running out of combat will not regenerate stamina. However, you can circumvent this by jumping once after starting your running animation.

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  1. begin running, hold down shift
  2. jump once, release shift
    once you land, you'll continue the running animation, but you will start to regenerate stamina
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Phantom dashing into an enemy will put you in combat mode, so ideally use this in areas where monsters don't spawn. Alternatively, if you have a slow computer, you can phantom dash before the monsters spawn to avoid entering combat mode

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Ideally use your three air jumps as often as possible, however, don't go below 300/1000 stamina, as that will prevent you from running. When near 300 stamina, use the stamina trick while running until you recovered your stamina

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The fourth jump puts you at a higher Z axis than the previous jumps, so there is a potential for setting up a short glide section

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the rules says you can only glide for at most 2 seconds at a time, but given the right circumstances, it can be more stamina efficient than air jumping

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for gear, Beat Performer Dissonance spec is optimal, as one of their Talents gives you 10% movement speed while Heroic Melody is active. And also get Agile module lv6 for the 30% out of combat movement speed

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west veldt
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I can't even get 1:30 lol

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I'll try it on my pc later after my final exams

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I'm at like 1:33

deep stratus
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i kept triggering the fight, and then i realize that this might be active, so if anyone have this, they should turn it off

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everytime i stumbled into a void it just attacks LMAO

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west veldt
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that won't put you in combat mode, but if someone else is in combat mode and you're near monsters, it can keep activating and damaging nearby monsters, keeping you in combat mode

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Any action usable by the base character (wall jump, parkour, ect) is permitted provided it does not violate the above rule. Wings cannot be used for more than 2 seconds at a time.

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west veldt
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people who have Lv6 Agile modules will have a huge advantage in this

west veldt
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I'll have to test if jumping over the elites prevents you from getting aggro

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if so, then it might not be a big deal

wanton ridge
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It's a massive pain with those, flying over them isn't ideal as it forces u to consume stam to get the height needed and even then it's not consistent

wanton ridge
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I was planning on utilizing one of windknight's skills to gain a bit of extra dist, but it's a clear cut what ppl will be picking from now on

clear kernel
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(For what it’s worth the top 2 runners right now are using wind knight and marksman, also agile is a trap it’s actually terrible because combat reduces your running speed as it is and drains your stamina more than free running does while delaying regen)

deep stratus
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my unga bunga shield brain isnt enough for this

clear kernel
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It’s like 50% stamina maintenance, 40% optimal movement, and 10% gimmicks like sprint storage, class effects, and the way flying and landing interacts with stamina

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clear kernel
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At one point yeah I think so

deep stratus
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but yeah i dont think i can do this, i'll just wait for possibly gliding challenge(?) nikocutie

clear kernel
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Lemme see if I can find the video

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clear kernel
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I believe the next race (Windfall Kiren) is going to be primarily gliding focused

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Look at that crisp cornering

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They actually could probably pull a solid 1:04 or 1:03 if they didn't have occasional re-jump stops and used glide slightly more, and one or two corners were suboptimal

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# clear kernel

oh the phantom dash and basic attack to reset stamina is GENIUS

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basic atk without hitting the enemies was crazy work

clear kernel
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Yeah, for as much as people have been talking on the stuff like agile or BP speed boost, this one trick has gotten so much more real-estate for the run

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I think other classes have something similar they can do, doesn't iaido have a sword dash or something?

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# clear kernel

this genuinely interests me, i might retry just to get that participation badge

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clear kernel
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😮

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NVM

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time to qualify is lowered

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but i can definitely get there

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aether_nod i see where i made the mistakes

clear kernel
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Do your best!

deep stratus
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@wanton ridge i see you

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clear kernel
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Evan's plotting

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wanton ridge
clear kernel
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Evan did you see the video I posted above?

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Maybe you can draw a bit of inspiration from it also

wanton ridge
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Yeah, pretty insane how much stuff I missed

clear kernel
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That runner also has a resounding 0/20 agile haha

wanton ridge
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It has def sparked my motivation to keep doing better

clear kernel
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Ikr?

deep stratus
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i had a good run and then i choked COPIUM

wanton ridge
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Heck, maybe sub 1min is possible

clear kernel
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It definitely is

deep stratus
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this area

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i keep forgetting there is a big wall

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in there

clear kernel
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haha

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Funnily enough I need to step up MY game now because my example video would no longer qualify

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So I need to make an example run that would

deep stratus
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lmaooo

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just use other's

clear kernel
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For some science

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After you fill all of the glowy orbs during parkour, you get rewarded with ~400 stamina regeneration while moving

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(this is actually 600 but it costs 260 to do the initial parkour flip)

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"Leap 1/2" only cost 50 stamina each, while Leap 3/4 cost 100 stamina each.

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So in theory, optimal stamina would be to spend down with leap 1-3 (460 stamina per jump sequence) on three jumps to earn a fourth set of 1-2 via regen, then using double dash or glide crash to initiate stamina regen immediately

clear kernel
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In skimmer sho, it looks like for the longer stretch of empty space you'd need to use your dash after the first set of jumps to have it up in time to cap off the longer stretch

deep stratus
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i wonder how much time would be cut off if you have a dedicated team clearing the way at the exact time and place where its perfect to do basic attack tech as wind knight

wanton ridge
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It would prob save u quite a bit I'd imagine, I'm currently practicing how to incorporate it between dashes to maximize my speed like in the vid but still confused lol

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Also, I'll need to become very comfortable with it b4 even asking anyone. Don't wanna waste their time 02Ceiling_Stare

clear kernel
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From what I can tell it’s just two basic taps into shift+forward

wanton ridge
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Pretty sure I can shave a couple secs at the start also, the phantom dash placement for example could've been done better

clear kernel
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Also instead of the three times you can do something like…

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Tap tap cancel with dash twice, small gap, then do it again

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Doesn't take a terrible amount of space to do and even just one or two reps is full stamina with decent movement

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deep stratus
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minus the hitting your head on the wall, obviously nikojam

wanton ridge
wanton ridge
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I saw aisbu flying by me a min ago

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wanton ridge
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Honestly a bit scared how this race will unfold after qualifiers end

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My time is 1:21:03

wanton ridge
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I'm getting to around 1:10 now

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The last stretch keeps screwing me over

deep stratus
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Is the goblin king dead on you tho

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Sorry, lizard

wanton ridge
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My strat involves getting around gk

clear kernel
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You mean lizard king?

wanton ridge
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Uhh yeah that

clear kernel
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lol

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I only just figured out how to consistently get past lizard mage/archer

deep stratus
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I noticed that wall climbing only took 50 stamina, i wonder if u can incorporate that in some of the gliding spots instead of using the 4th air jump Think

clear kernel
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Wall climb only takes 50 stamina but it also kills all forward momentum so you could use it in a pinch on the tall wall room if you’re low on gas

wanton ridge
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I just found a clever way to skip the big wall at the end entirely

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But it involves some pretty gnarly flight tech to make it work

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Would be able to get sub 1min assuming everything else is perfect

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Ah... I would show exactly where u need to be but can't send pics here

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But there's a crevice along the wall where u can stand on

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wanton ridge
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FYI: been trying to make it work but there's one major problem... not able to generate enough stamina to sustain for entire flight duration

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As a result, I'm forced to wait

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Might be better off not doing it at all Shrug

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@clear kernel mind revealing some info on what xunny's run was like?

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Doesn't seem like I'll come close to beating their time ngl

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wanton ridge
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Or is it going to be renewed on 18th?

wanton ridge
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I wouldn't stress out too much on the ppl getting crazy times, if u have a consistent route ur comfortable with u should be fine

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wanton ridge
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Just waiting for servers to be back online so I can do more test runs

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(Should be)

clear kernel
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@placid root mind sharing some insights?

placid root
wanton ridge
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I've been analyzing my footage and managing my stam upkeep pretty well

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But there are 1 or 2 times where I do pause for a bit just to reset the timer bar

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Even so, being able to shave off that much time is very impressive

clear kernel
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Xunny with the most non-answer in existence lol

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“How do you run fast? Well, put simply, it’s about putting one foot in front of the other quickly”

west veldt
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"I went fast"

wanton ridge
clear kernel
placid root
clear kernel
placid root
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and under 1min just check the video of Doom and think where you can implement it.

wanton ridge
wanton ridge
west veldt
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hard to avoid getting into combat mode now

wanton ridge
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Xunny's is gonna be a tough cookie to crack

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No room for any slip ups

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Someone saw me standing on top of the ledge at the start, now their trying to copy xD

clear kernel
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Tactics evolving

sweet dagger
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deep stratus
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thats awesome

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@shell pumice, this is the run that i follow because it seems doable while also having some stuff that can be optimized here and there

wanton ridge
clear kernel
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Yay qualifiers are over time to go to bed

wanton ridge
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Have a gud night! shinanosleep

stark ferry
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@tired elm YES!!! - That sub 30s run is a winner in my book! Well done!

wanton ridge
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@stark ferry @tired elm did u guys submit/done the race already?

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I'm only seeing mine atm

tired elm
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still recording a weaponless

wanton ridge
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Normal or oob?

tired elm
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oob would NOT be valid lol

wanton ridge
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One can dream marin_cry

tired elm
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ikr, if oob was valid i wouldve submitted a 25s run

deep stratus
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I thought the limit was 2 seconds Think

wanton ridge
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O right, I'll resubmit it

wanton ridge
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@deft night Did u submit urs yet?

deft night
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nah

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really bad joint pain so i havent been able to make a new run yet

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im assuming i have to unequip weapons even i dont actually use them for the run

wanton ridge
deft night
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otherwise i'd just submit my time from the other day again

wanton ridge
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And yea weaponless for this one

deft night
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oracle weapons cant actually do anything though :P

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slows me down if anything its like that one guys leg weights

wanton ridge
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Honestly feels like the weapon didn't save me any time at all btw lol

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Or maybe I've improved that much since then

deft night
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i think its only good if youve got that one stabby wind one

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being able to sprint without sprinting is pretty powerful

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and if you had agile with that it'd be very good

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sadly for me that only spawns on dps modules ~w~

wanton ridge
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Agile mods don't exist afaik, but based on what miles explained it won't matter anyways

deft night
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they do though?

wanton ridge
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That was one of my biggest concerns when I heard about the race

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So I asked him about it, cause since it's so hard to get it would be unfair for those who don't have it

wanton ridge
deft night
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thats like half the run through skimmer though

wanton ridge
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I won't pretend to know how well it is w/wo, and no one else here has stated they had it. Prob is useful yea, but not enough so that it'll immediately put u first on the lb

clear kernel
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So for the 10% where you’re running, no weapon means you probably won’t proc combat outside of the boss rooms

deft night
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it'd put >600 runs on par with normal runs probably lol

clear kernel
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Agile is bait

deft night
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id invest in modules for it if i could but simultaneously id double backflip OOB if i spent orbs on anything but tina materials

wanton ridge
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Making the race no wep was actually the right choice, but it was kinda a shame that it was implemented during the latter half of qualifiers

clear kernel
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Also as far as evans run goes, the initial fly is a smidge long but not like egregiously so. Long as none of his other flies went above 3, I’ll chalk it up to slow responsive due to running timer and recording software.

wanton ridge
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Bet some ppl already spent the 600 orbs on unlocking a class just to find out it doesn't matter

deft night
clear kernel
# deft night wdym slow responsive though

Sometimes folks lag when running other programs so maybe he meant to nose down sooner and the input came through slower I don’t know man I’m trying to be considerate of people with crappy computers and stuff

deft night
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you can see down to the exact moment someone presses the fly button in the bottom right & when the speed graph shows up

wanton ridge
deft night
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im not tryna be an ass but i didnt think the records would just be edging the 'dont fly for three seconds' timer 😭

wanton ridge
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But I mean, it would suck if it came down to being disqualified again due to milliseconds

clear kernel
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Van said “we split the title, now it’s business!”

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No more Mr nice Van

wanton ridge
deft night
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you've already seen my mercy >:3 i held my 1:22 back

clear kernel
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I’m joking but Vans complaint is valid.

deft night
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it just feels against the spirit of the race to just like, fly as much as possible when they're mostly near 3 seconds

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i assumed it was more meant for you to fly downwards to hit the ground quicker, or over a boss really fast, and not through big sections of the track

clear kernel
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In fairness, Van, even if the rule was a hard 2, people would still just fly as much as possible when they’re mostly near 2 seconds. It’s the fastest most efficient means to move around which is why I had to limit it

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Xunny had like a 42 second run with uncapped flying

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It was gross

deft night
clear kernel
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But I don’t wanna break someone’s knees for like… a 2.21 fly

wanton ridge
clear kernel
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That was their first run too. I think fully optimized they’d give the out of bounds time a run for its money haha

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I fed Xunny the race beforehand and had to nerf them to make it fair for everyone else lol

wanton ridge
clear kernel
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That’s part of the game though

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If you wanna use fly, you gotta mind the time

deft night
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yeah thats was the whole point of the two second rule i assumed

wanton ridge
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True, part of the blame is on me for that

clear kernel
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Back to skimmers with you I guess

wanton ridge
clear kernel
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Van has judged you and found you wanting

wanton ridge
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Haven't I done enough at this pt

clear kernel
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lol

deft night
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the journey never ends!!!

clear kernel
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Poor Evan

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Has the bravery to be the first submission

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Gets constantly criticized

deft night
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im surprised more people havent submitted

clear kernel
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They’re all waiting until the very end to make sure folks can’t copy their runs

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A few have sent it to me to get their runs verified

deft night
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ooooh

clear kernel
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Yeah

deft night
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i stand literally no chance either way Laugh im just submitting for the hell of it at this point

clear kernel
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That’s part of why the complaints about the runs not being public were a lil funny to me, since even when they are public people still aren’t gonna show them off until the last second

deft night
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can i submit my final run in the >500 stamina category again LOL

clear kernel
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Do you have a weapon in it?

deft night
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if verdant oracle arm weights count >:P

clear kernel
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They do

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Weaponless means weaponless lol

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Sorry rock Lee

deft night
clear kernel
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Van:
“erm actually your fly was 0.23 milliseconds over the leniency window”

Also Van:
“oracle weapons don’t count as weapons right?”

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lol

deft night
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im the class that deals no damage!!! >:3

clear kernel
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Most people did no damage with their weapons to be fair lol

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But the community voted and that was the rule they decided on

deft night
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if oracle's ult actually sped the player up it would've been great for runs but it doesnt

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wait

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i mean it MIGHT

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but it definitely wasnt working when i tried to boost with it

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deft night
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i might just be stupid

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but there's absolutely an oracle strat there somewhere with max agile where you stand still while regening stamina

clear kernel
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Time for sleep

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22 hours remain

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Good luck Evan

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Remember, Van is watching

wanton ridge
sweet dagger
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Wouldn't mind making a run that does both OOB and mount launch to see if we can get sub 20, but I can't trigger oob (Not valid)

sweet dagger
clear kernel
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Too far forward

sweet dagger
clear kernel
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The angle is weird to judge but

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That looks right

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Behind the grey bar

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So you could go a smidge further forward in your 2nd picture

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Just past the crack in the coral

sweet dagger
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Thanks I'll use that as a reference without pushing it, 2nd question. I use speedometer to measure glide time. If it on screen for less than 3 seconds at a time, is the run still valid?

clear kernel
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The 3 seconds is just to account for latency and such, but yeah as long as your glide ends before hitting 3 seconds it’s safe

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You can always send me the run privately for verification if you want, though the final submission will need to be in the topic

sweet dagger
clear kernel
wanton ridge
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Chat is unusually quiet with only a few hrs left ThinkSex

dense smelt
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Yea, analyzing a few recording I have. My best run has has a flight time in it where I just go over 3 seconds sadly,.

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I don't wan Van coming after me xD

clear kernel
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lol

wanton ridge
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Wish ur run gets verified!

dense smelt
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Haha, thank you.

clear kernel
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Unfortunately if it’s over 3 seconds even I’ll probably kick it back in the spirit of fairness

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Since I made Evan redo his run like 6 times

dense smelt
clear kernel
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Evan got my blessing on that run

dense smelt
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Looks to be just shy of 3.5 seconds

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okay! good to know

clear kernel
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At this point I don’t want him turning into Sisyphus

dense smelt
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Haha, that's fair, I'm not far off of that myself xD

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I've actually started having cave themed dreams with a large feesshhh.

clear kernel
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Funnily enough me too

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I had a dream I had to do a timed run of skimmers but I kept running into fish

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My wife said I kept throwing my pillows around and whenever she put them back I’d grumble something and throw them again haha

dense smelt
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omg. lmao

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That's when you know your take your role seriously xD

placid root
clear kernel
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Been watching the runs so much my dreams have become runs to watch

placid root
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so annoying when celestial spawns back grr

clear kernel
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Celestial flier more like “makes me wanna die-er”

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Amirite

placid root
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ye xD

wanton ridge
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Almost the moment of truth to see xunny's skills be incorporated into his run

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Or if he is actually a wizard

placid root
clear kernel
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I think you’ll like what you see evan

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Xunny is an optimization monster

placid root
clear kernel
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Xunny is the reason there’s a fly limit so that the rankings wouldn’t be them clearing the place at oob speeds

dense smelt
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So this event was designed ahead of time knowing Xunny would be there. lol

placid root
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you would see me flying from almost start to end if flying would be allowed KEKDog

clear kernel
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I handed Xunny the race route a day early and once they handed me back their run I said “cool okay so flying is banned” then I softened it to a 2-3 second limit

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Had to actively nerf them

wanton ridge
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Wild

clear kernel
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Xunny, can I trouble you to try a run without any fly limits for the sake of example?

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At your convenience of course

placid root
clear kernel
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Also there’s like an hour left to submit so make sure you don’t miss the deadline

dense smelt
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Thank you! Just trying to see If I have a run that can at least make Xunny sweat a little xD But I doubt it. lol

clear kernel
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The only thing that makes Xunny sweat is the friction from their own speed

dense smelt
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interesting

clear kernel
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I approved the run by CV but I didn’t notice he was over the line so

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Worst come to I’ll do a time adjustment to account for it

wanton ridge
clear kernel
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Alternatively I’ll see if I can call it a tie for 2nd and just snag an extra gem code maybe

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I don’t know I’ll see how you guys feel is the best way to accommodate

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Looks like he might redo the run

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Alls well that ends well

deft night
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real human limit enjoyers face off against my true and proper 1:16 no stinky wings%

clear kernel
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It’s funny because his non-fly run would be around a 1:07 because of his triple jump tech

wanton ridge
clear kernel
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You’ll have your time to shine Van

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Because the goblin forest run has wings completely banned

placid root
wanton ridge
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Nani tf

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Absolute madlad, ok sorry if I ever doubted u

placid root
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no problem 😄

clear kernel
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Alrighty everyone! Good news, I’m getting some power back meaning I’ll be able to distribute your roles hopefully sometime tomorrow.

Thank you again for joining us for this fun adventure.

The Windhowl Kinen is slated for February, the Duskeye Cup in May, and the Everfall Stakes in August. Then in October, to celebrate the anniversary and the completion of the series, there will be one final super large race

wanton ridge
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Quite the lineup guraglance

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Also what did u mean by getting power?

clear kernel
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As in my mod powers have been restored somewhat

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I can assign roles without needing an admin now

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Roles assigned

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<@&1452535991570272469> <@&1452539560193032283> <@&1452539902419013655> are all assigned now

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Look at the shine on those medals

dense smelt
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oooo, the shine. so nice!!

wanton ridge
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Yay, awesome

deep stratus
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Congrats to all the winners!

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Well done RSBugCatClap

placid root
deep stratus
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I am SO ready for the gliding HYPERYAY

deft night
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nightmare mode...

clear kernel
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I’m trying to decide on a route

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What’s the thoughts on this?

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Sort of a “touch all the checkpoints” kind of thing

sweet dagger
clear kernel
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Wooooooah sick

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dense smelt
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This looks like it could be a fun time!

covert stump
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Yeah looks super fun, probably can leave the checkpoints ambiguous aswell, so people can go clockwise/counter clockwise, etc so long as they hit every checkpoint

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Could maybe see more interesting routes that way

placid root
clear kernel
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I wanna see how folks walk with their own paths through life

sweet dagger
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Leaving the route ambiguous and having just requirements to pass through X areas/checkpoints would be a good idea, as faster routes would naturally have more gliding and creativity. Your time will be based both on your routing skills and execution.

Another thing to keep in mind is defining a clear way of passing through an area/checkpoint consist of. Would want something that is easy to do but not cheesable.

west veldt
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no fixed route sounds interesting