Homestead Flower Guide

[old glen]

are these black and how do i shange the light

Lighting Control does nothing by me

werent sadly

[raw field]

camera, settings, freeze time on

[old glen]

thx mate

i think to build a wall and two lamps

do you know if cross polamination work like roses with black tulips?

[raw field]

they should

or it should*

[hexed heart]

is it black?

[dapper hill]

Is this black?

Heck yeah finally - So now just harvest and replant the surrounding ones, right?

[hexed heart]

what about this one?

[vagrant bison]

is this one black?

[sullen jacinth]

I feel like Doma's been chosen to be the "Yes or no" person because of their video lmao

[keen sentinel]

are these black

[raw field]

don't think so

[raw field]

do think so

[keen sentinel]

this is my first time getting purples. they grew as purples on the top and bottom. i bring them away and let them regrow right?

then what do i do when they finish growing

[raw field]

then put them in the center of two crosses to try and get black flowers off of them

[keen sentinel]

what if i got another purple flower
from the 2nd cross

so the bottom left one, top right, and bottom right are all purples rn

the 2 on the right were from the same cross/patch and grew at same time

[raw field]

immediately replant it in place

if you want to you can check to see if it has a separate dominant gene from your other purple flower, and if so, move the plot next to it for a better chance it'll grow as a black flower

like if one grows as C_ddeeff and another one grows as ccD_eeff then you have a pretty good chance at getting a black flower if you grow one next to the other already grown one

[keen sentinel]

wdym immediately replant it in place?

[keen sentinel]

like what do i do from here

[raw field]

whenever you pick a flower you immediately plant it so you dont lose track of where it is

[keen sentinel]

yes ik

[keen sentinel]

this is my current setup

[raw field]

so, if you want to be 100% safe

if you only have two purple flowers, put each one in the center of their own cross

if you get more purple flowers, just replant them in place. if that purple flower is the same color as the one in the center, swap it with a flower plot on the side of your other cross

[keen sentinel]

sooo

i plant the bottom left into the center of the left one

and place one of the right ones in the center

and then the top right one i place on the outside

?

or do i discard the top right one

[raw field]

yeah, that should be fine

[keen sentinel]

do i discard top right

[raw field]

no

[keen sentinel]

ok

[rich jungle]

I'd say ~90% (mostly just because its covered by a cloud and I just woke up).

[charred herald]

😛

is this better @rich jungle 🙈

[rich jungle]

yes, but unfortunately for the flower no (pale white) 🙁

[charred herald]

ahh 😛 thassokie! Thank you 😄

[astral coral]

Right one is the correct one right ?

[rich jungle]

yes

[astral coral]

finally got one

[charred herald]

GG!

[rich jungle]

yep black

[charred herald]

waoww 😮

[rich jungle]

will probably just be faster to go back to RNG rolling other purples

yeah or likely to just end up in the same situation...

[low summit]

Should I add a blue to the middle of the left side? All are purple rarity.

[hidden socket]

any black here?

😂

day and night freeze at 11.

[rich jungle]

nope only pale white

[keen sentinel]

do iwaitt ill the others grow or do i harvest them rn

everything grown rn is a purple afaik

[keen sentinel]

they did not pollinate i think

cuz i moved them aside as they grew

and just brought them back when they finished growing

[low summit]

I guess this is only the first generation though. I can grow a few more gens before I swap middles right @rich jungle ? Or should i just do the mid swap, then child swap now?

[rich jungle]

might work, but if they have kept growing with the left staying that light green, and the right staying blue for a while. Then the mid swap, grow, then child swap should work but will take some time.

[low summit]

alright. This is the first gen where they have all been sme color. Should I do something like this this time?

with the middles from both polinating that center one

[rich jungle]

let the others grow

[keen sentinel]

is this black

🙏

[low summit]

doesnt look like it to me... more like a cream :/

[keen sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/rezero-subaru-subaru-spiderman-2098-re-zero-subaru-re-zero-subaru-death-stare-gif-12504471671407549520

[rich jungle]

just plant them both separately, mixing up like that will just cause confusion as the flowers take different priorities for pollination based on direction.

the 2 crosses

[low summit]

alright. One cross is incomplete cuz im currently getting aabb's made with a different plot xD

my last harvest got a blue quality aabb which is nice.

[rich jungle]

you trying to max hydrangeas?
Started working on the hydrangea maxxing spreadsheet for identification based on price/image. (posted it a bit ago in the homestead channel).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

[low summit]

im doing tulips right now, I want a full aabbccddeeff to eventually polinate others off of.

[rich jungle]

yeah a full will work, but you could also just stop at some of the top ones (2 purples). As they give the most, and then you possibly avoid having parents with Ee/Ff.

as long as you get the black flowers via the other process for the achievement

[low summit]

yea, my left side is the best version currently I think

aaB_ccddE_ff

of tulip.

[tranquil skiff]

tthis isnt black right?

lowkey kind of colour blind 🙁

[low summit]

I cant tell.

[rich jungle]

bottom, center, left: blue
top: yellow
right: pale white.

[tranquil skiff]

thnx g

[dapper gulch]

that is the one, right?

[rich jungle]

yes

[azure saddle]

I have black tulips on the middle of the cross

Now what?

[rich jungle]

just plant around it, then harvest and replant (don't recycle) until the surrounding turn black (might take a few times growing before they turn black).

[floral basalt]

are these the black tulips?

[rich jungle]

yes

[unreal grail]

Look like black roses, yes? I have some purple ones that are more purple looking than these:

so many tulip examples but not rose.

[rich jungle]

should be black, Unfortunately roses are the hardest to identify due to some of the colors also being close to gray.

[charred herald]

what is this color code hex? CCddeeff = rgb(204, 221, 238)?

[keen sentinel]

IS THIS A BLACK FLOWER

@rich jungle

[rich jungle]

yes

[keen sentinel]

😏

[gritty wraith]

this isnt black right?

[keen sentinel]

do i just replace the middle with it and regrow everything around it

[keen sentinel]

nope

[rich jungle]

yeah, and just harvest -> replant repeat until black.

[keen sentinel]

great

[keen sentinel]

i can fertilize them right

[rich jungle]

yeah the fertilizer is just a way we ensure the middle flower grows faster when we harvest and replant it. Fully grown center flowers don't require that strategy

[keen sentinel]

ok

[keen sentinel]

once i get 2 black flowers i can start harvesting the rest right

if i get my 2nd black flower from the first one i just move it ot he other cross right

[rich jungle]

exactly

[keen sentinel]

thanks

[hidden socket]

hey guys, is this a black?

☝️

[rich jungle]

yes

[hidden socket]

Doma, I share my homestead with some friends, if they happen to take the pollen from it, does anything bad happen or nah unless I harvest it by mistake

[rich jungle]

Taking pollen shouldn't do anything bad, just allows for manual pollination (a lot more annoying to do). And only the person who planted can harvest (says their name above the flower).

[hidden socket]

yeah its me, I need to take care to not harvest it for now.

maybe doing some more spaced my crux

[quaint canyon]

Thx for all the help finaly the black flower factory working

[teal ravine]

Black bydrangea or C_ddeeff?

[next otter]

Are these black flowers?

[main harbor]

if my flowers look like this, do i just replant the same seeds or should i recycle and get new ones? all are blue except the bottom green

they were these colours while pollinating

[gloomy umbra]

is this it, did i finally got one ?

[teal ravine]

no

[gloomy umbra]

at this rate it might be faster for me to farm 32 golden pig

[rich jungle]

I think black

[rich jungle]

should be black

[rich jungle]

yeah, at that point its unlikely to get very far. (will likely get stuck at blue).

[trail nest]

can someone help, is this a black flower?

[rich jungle]

yes

[errant marten]

Is it black?

[rich jungle]

yes

[solemn kiln]

the greatest addition to the dummies guide would be a way to identify black flowers

even tho there is

[shadow marten]

thanks to this guide and all the pictures. got the achievement before the maintenance came in.

[thorn field]

How to find idle fields in homestead status? My field only 11 pcs and already report to cs but still not respond

[shadow marten]

you could have put it on top of another. there's this annoying rotate/vertical bar and another plot can go below another

[azure saddle]

Wht do you mean by dont recycle?

[hidden socket]

they kinda seem the same, all those 4 black now?

[tranquil skiff]

bleh cant tell if black or not

gonna assume not

[rough elm]

so if my middle purple produced green offsprings. Toss and start with new purple ?

[stuck mauve]

.

[gloomy umbra]

is this finally

[north kettle]

What do i do now, all 10 is purple (bec. i planted all of them before they pollinated)

do i just replant until they're black flowers? (keep middle or nah? it's the highest purple)

[stuck raft]

Yes looks like it

[winter moon]

it works

[pine cairn]

black?

[west cargo]

i was looking for answer for this aswell.

[azure saddle]

If the flowers surrounding the black one arent fully grown but you see that the buds arent black can you replant them to speed up the process?

Or can they change color when fully grown?

[thorn field]

guys, how to take back my field in homestead? i have one fields in idle, but i coulnt find this..only can spawn 11 fields..

[snow jewel]

hello

black right?

[small harness]

Can i get a spot check? Are the middle ones the black flowers?

[snow jewel]

i think yes. i cmpared mine to the others

ours are the same color @small harness

time to get our trophyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lets goooooo

[small harness]

sweet thanks! i got my base done ^_^

one question, can the neighbor flower be a green? or must it be a purple rarity seed to chance into the legendary rarity (black flower) ?

[hidden socket]

@rich jungle thank you buddy, ure the best.

🙏

[uneven silo]

are these black flowers?

are either of these black flowers*

[rich jungle]

simply means harvest and replant. Recycling is destroying the field and replacing it.

[rich jungle]

dark blue

[eternal crane]

silly flower gamer

[rich jungle]

no, pollination shows the old state of the flower, when it grows it changes color (if it changes genes).

[rich jungle]

yes

[rich jungle]

center and right yes, left one pink

[rich jungle]

yes

[low summit]

ahh! i got it! Domaaaa

almost perrfect

[rich jungle]

perfect for hydrangea farming

[low summit]

i dont have hydrangeas yet U_U

[rich jungle]

still worth setting aside and keeping, max coins is crazy

[low summit]

should i not turn it into a black flower?

[rich jungle]

harvested 6 fields of that same gene.

[low summit]

wow

[rich jungle]

I would not bother turning that into a black flower. If you want the achievement you can get it with any random shape.

But those genes pollinating hydrangeas will produce those which sell for 193 per flower.

[low summit]

are black flowers worth the same regardless of shape?

i thought getting a black perfect hydrangea would be ideal in the end

[rich jungle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

[low summit]

wait what. aaB_ is the most expencive black hydrangea?

thats crazzzy

[rich jungle]

the black hydrangeas sell for less. Also when farming for max coins, if you are doing black flowers, remember you have to keep a black flower planted. And after getting a black flower you will likely get a green/blue/purple rarity flower for a few farm sessions.

[low summit]

ahh right.

so ideally you would get all your fields with perfect hydrangeas

I think i can get hydrangeas tomorrow...

[rich jungle]

Only swap to hydrangea if you have homestead lvl 5 for advanced fertilizer.

[low summit]

o. Im only level 3 right now

[rich jungle]

It brings their growth time under 20 hours (12 hours with watering after 8 hours, and again at 12 hours).

[uneven silo]

noice

[small harness]

Nothing much i can do then.. Have to wait for another black flower to appear to replace that pink ;x thank you! Hope to get one in a few hours

[analog monolith]

is it black?

[rich jungle]

yes

[analog monolith]

WOW

thank you

[dense steppe]

Is it black?

[rich jungle]

yes

[dense steppe]

Yessss finally

[small harness]

they all the same black flower yeah?

[rich jungle]

yes

[rough elm]

😳 , no black thou

[keen sentinel]

if all of the blues are the same color(they're all purple rarity) should i recycle them or continue to hravest and regrow? the middle is black

[rich jungle]

just keep harvesting and regrowing. They will end up as black eventually.

[rough elm]

Same for my purples ?

[rich jungle]

most likely a dominant last gene. Might need to just recycle and try fresh

[rough elm]

so remove everything and replant ?

[rich jungle]

yes unfortunately

[rough elm]

ty

[small harness]

Doma, may i ask, tulip black flowers... can i make them pollinate to roses or hydrangea?

I kind of want to get a "black" rose once then spam hydrangea for the max coins :x

[rich jungle]

yeah and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241 (page 4)
is a WIP for hydrangea prices and their tulip versions for identifying which tulips can breed the best hydrangeas.

[small harness]

Oh, so i don't need the actual tulip black(legend) flower? I can just find the purple version and find the rose/hydrangea seed for their black(legend) versions?

[rich jungle]

No, for max profit you don't actually want to go for black flowers, especially with hydrangeas as they sell for less than just farming the 2 different purple types.

[small harness]

blobthanks

[gloomy roost]

do i need to put my blackflower in the middle so i can pollinate surrounding flowers?

[rich jungle]

yes

[analog monolith]

My friend told me to not water nor fertilize the flowers around the black flower. Is it true?

[west cargo]

do i need to replant purple flowers even if i already have a purple flower on the middle?

or should i buy new seeds

[rich jungle]

you can do both. As long as the center flower is not changing, you can do both. When the center flower is a fresh plant you want to water + fertilize it, then only water the surrounding flowers.

[analog monolith]

okay thanks

[rich jungle]

if you are 100% sure its a purple after it grows, then you can leave it and fertilize the surrounding flowers. If you are not sure/won't harvest for 4+ hours, then just harvest and water + fertilize center, and only water surrounding.

[west cargo]

all of my flowers right now are same as the purple that i've planted on the middle. basically 1 variety of purple, i was thinking of buying new seeds because of it. maybe i've done something wrong with the guide.

[rich jungle]

Yeah at that point its unlikely that you would ever get a black flower (especially if you have grown them a few times and still same colors). At that point you should recycle them all and start fresh.

[west cargo]

will do, thanks a lot

[lost tundra]

So are black flower the gold rarity?

[rich jungle]

yes

[uneven silo]

yippee

[errant marten]

Is it possible for the purple to drop quality to blue? I already have black in the middle and all 4 purple around it before this.... Or am i dreaming😥

[rich jungle]

light purple

[west cargo]

is this black flower?

[rich jungle]

yes

[west cargo]

how can u share it to my roomate though?

[rich jungle]

move it to the center of one of the crosses (H menu move it, don't harvest), then have your roommate plant around it.

[plush holly]

Hi, need some advice regarding black flowers.
I've done the black flower farming for tulips by using the brainless method. I'm planning to switch to roses. Irl logic would probably suggest that I harvest all tulips and replace everything with roses and start the brain dead method again. But before I do that, just wanted to confirm that black tulips will not influence the odds of a black rose appearing?

[rich jungle]

Tulips can pollinate roses/hydrangeas (yeah I fell for the irl logic as well originally).

[plush holly]

Oh great, will let keep my tulips then. Thanks!

[plush holly]

Also just to confirm. The only way to get more flower plots is to level right?

[rich jungle]

yeah homestead level is the only thing that unlocks more fields.

[atomic citrus]

is this a black flower

[rich jungle]

pretty sure (roses are kind of hard to tell).

[atomic citrus]

i'm just placing ts in the middle

time to wait

[sullen jacinth]

Is this black?

[gloomy roost]

is this a black?

[dapper tendon]

Seeing this set feel like getting black flowers is so rare that i rather do fishing xD

[rich jungle]

yes

[rich jungle]

pale white

[stuck mauve]

if this isnt a black flower on the right idk wt is man

[rich jungle]

Need to see daylight time. (camera -> settings enable time freeze -> slide to middle.

[stuck mauve]

im like 90% sure they're black im just gonna assume they are (the right ones obv)

[rich jungle]

yep

[fair kraken]

i'm assuming none of these are black flowers yet, right? it's really hard to tell for me what's still white, some earthen color or some clayish/gray (supposed black) tone

e*: pics taken /w freeze, noon

[rich jungle]

yeah pale white, and pale pink

[fair kraken]

ty! there's way too many lol

[native mica]

are the left middle ones black roses?

[low summit]

why does that image look so fake... weird

[hidden thunder]

Is this a Black Flower ?

[torpid tusk]

Y'all i made a thing

[fast hound]

Hello, can someone please guide me. Should I just keep 3 black flowers (for centers) and harvest the rest for the achievement?

[deep parcel]

finally

[stuck raft]

assuming you know the genetic group 1, keep whichever black flower has more recessives, otherwise, yes you can harvest the rest

I would keep 3 black flowers in this particular case as you have 3 crosses

[main basin]

Question, I harvested my tulips and I got 3 purple rarity ones, they were all blue tulips

I moved those plots to the centers and replanted as usual but the centers were all blue tulips again

Is that a coincidence or did I do something wrong?

[fast hound]

Thank youu!

[stuck raft]

Hard to say, rng is rng and it depends on the genes/alleles the flower got, as well how many cycles you've done. Do you keep track of the genetics on the flower?

[main basin]

What's the genetics? I just note the color of the flower and the rarity

I'm on my 3rd cycle I think

[stuck raft]

a flower has 2 genetic groups

xxxx <-- group 1
xxxxxxxx <-- group 2

the first group has A and B's

group 2 has C's, D's, E's and F's

a black flower only needs group 2 to be fully recessive, ccddeeff

[main basin]

did not understand a single thing there

I'll watch the in depth video later

[stuck raft]

well there is a braindead video guide by doma but if all flowers keep getting the same "color/type"

and u cant reach a black flower

its likely you've hit a genetic dead end

eg. all flowers has FF and there is no recessive f to inherit

a flower always take 1 from itself and 1 from parent

if both parent and itself has FF, and not like ff or Ff, then there is no recessive "f" to inherit, thus you will always get FF

and thus never produce a black flower

[main basin]

Hmm I see

I'll try rearranging the plots next cycle

[stuck raft]

can u send a picture of the flower icon u got?

and the price

[main basin]

I check that in the recycler?

[stuck raft]

yes

[main basin]

Ok 1 min

[regal stone]

are these black flowers?

[main basin]

I put them in the center like that

and put crosses around them

[stuck raft]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u0UlCbRnNG0qDq1cWFuwVkUUEZfAAIkEgqS2fLQC51o/edit?gid=0#gid=0
so if u check here, u can see this flower is "straight & leaf", is Epic rarity and sells for 48 homestead coins

in this picture, we can tell its #14, even the color matches

so genetic group 1 is A_B_

#14 here is this

ccD_eeff <-- genetic group 2

this means you're very close to a black flower

[main basin]

oh I see

[stuck raft]

you just need to make the allele D into a recessive d

[main basin]

but I don't remember which one was the straight

[stuck raft]

you dont know if its DD or Dd, hence D_ to signify its D and one unknown

yeah thats why I always sell all flowers

I pick up a flower, plant it immediately, go to recycler, check the flower, note down the genetics and sell it

[main basin]

ok ill make sure to note this batch

[stuck raft]

now, remember the rule of "always taking 1 from itself and parent"
if you know the parent has "dd", then its not D_ but Dd

[main basin]

thanks

[stuck raft]

np

[unkempt steppe]

is the one on the left black?

[errant aurora]

black check 😛

[west cargo]

how come my rommate can't plant their fields even though theres still 16 available

[old glen]

these two are black right?

shanged placements but i am not certain

and should i place the same seed by the crosses or exchange them every time

[low summit]

ah! ah ah ah!!!!

did it happen?!

[main basin]

Looks black to me

[low summit]

I had to do the swap middles thing to get them, then got that one in fourth generation.

[main basin]

@stuck raft , I move the plot with this one to the middle right?

The surrounding are the other leaning blue I showed before

[stuck raft]

A_B_ ccD_eeff is this flower, not a bad parent, but if this flower has DD then u run the risk of having genetic dead end on D's if u use this as parent repeatedly

its either DD or Dd on this flower

when u use this parent, see if u ever manage to get a "dd" child flower

if u do then u can confirm its Dd

and its not a bad parent

[main basin]

What's the sign of dd again?

[main basin]

Ok thanks

I'll see what it gives

[low summit]

oops///

It looked different than my other one...

[charred herald]

OMG

DID I COOK

[low summit]

looks like it

[charred herald]

FINALLY AAHH

[low summit]

Im glad i already had 1, cuz i accidentally harvested a pure recessive black tulip...

[charred herald]

Oops, happens lol. Before I knew about these, I harvested 3 💀

[low summit]

my little setup. xD

I wont ever mess up again.

I got comparisons >:D

[charred herald]

that poor lonely one abandoned outside 😭

[low summit]

its a rose. it knows what it did wrong.

[old glen]

at some point you must include it with 4 others

[low summit]

Ill just add a section for it, like the oter 3 crosses.

but i need more homestead levels. I only barely hit lvl 4 today.

[rich jungle]

yes

[rich jungle]

yes (next to you)

[rich jungle]

fields are capped by homestead level, not by the amount you have in inventory.

[rich jungle]

yes black, and keep replanting, they will get closer and closer to black over generations.

[old glen]

so i did wrong huh

[cyan scaffold]

is that black

[rich jungle]

yes

[cyan scaffold]

tyvm!

first one

[pine moon]

I think i have the answer but is this one black as well?

[rich jungle]

yes

[pine moon]

thanks so much for the confirmation! i was able to get 2!

@rich jungle thanks so much for the guide!!! made it super simple to follow

[main harbor]

what does gathering pollen do? i moved in with my friend and im trying to get black flowers

[rich jungle]

pollen is just for manually pollinating. It's a kind of annoying mechanic as you have to be online when the fields are almost fully grown.
To get black flower you should just plant around the black flower until they turn black. (your friend might need to harvest to free up the fields).

[main harbor]

ive planted my flowers around his black flower and gotten 1 black flower already by doing this, does gathering the pollen manually increase the chance or do i just wait?

[rich jungle]

no, its more like you can harvest the pollen to pollinate a flower off by itself (not the 4 surrounding it).

[main harbor]

ahh i see

thanks for the help, hopefully im done with this round of flowers

[main basin]

black?

[rich jungle]

Yes

[main basin]

do I just move it in the center now?

and plant around it without harvesting

[rich jungle]

Yeah, but I would check the genes of the light green (current center) if it has the good shape they are worth keeping for homestead coins down the line.

[main basin]

it was I think

but I saw this too late

[rich jungle]

Not the perfect shape. (Very low odds regardless). And you could probably rebuild it from your black flower given time.

[main basin]

alright cool

[low summit]

mwuahaha

[low summit]

cream :(

[tranquil skiff]

finally thought got black for a second

🙁

[low summit]

I gacve the rose a home...

[tranquil skiff]

woah thats so cool

[low summit]

:D

[main basin]

[shadow bronze]

I'm I doing something wrong? I keep getting the same colors

I did as a guide said, purple rarity in the middle and plant around it

What else should I try?

[lost tundra]

All of the colors look the same to me T-T

[keen tartan]

Middle is black right?

[west idol]

Yes

[keen tartan]

When I replant around it do I water and fertilize?

[west idol]

Yes. Your blk flower is fully grown it wont change anymore

[keen tartan]

Okay thank you

[lyric bison]

any helpers

wat should i do next

[rich jungle]

if it grew like that (light blues grew from a purple rarity dark blue parent) then just keep growing. and you should get black.

[small harness]

Does it matter what tulip gene i have to make a black rose or one of the expensive ones (aabbccD_eeff #14 variant of aabb)?

[rich jungle]

I mean you always would prefer the more expensive ones if you are just going for homestead coins.

[small harness]

I do want the more expensive ones, i just don't know how to reach this from a black tulip

[rich jungle]

unless you are lucky getting that from a black tulip is going to be a lot of work. If your black tulip is already that shape its easy (have to tell just by pollinating children and looking at how they come out).

[small harness]

Theres the hydrangea maxxing comparison for tulips in the document so i'd just hunt for the specific tulip and pollinate it to random hydrangea seeds

but is there a rose variant?

[cloud garden]

This black?

[rich jungle]

not really a reason to go for roses as far as I know.

[rich jungle]

yes

[cloud garden]

tyty

[small harness]

This look like the black flower for rose 👀

[rich jungle]

Best to get the best/top tulips first then swap to breeding hydrangeas. Mostly depends on the shape of your black flowers however. Here is a sheet with all the top prices for hydrangeas with their icons and their tulip counterpart.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

The real problem begins if you don't have the recessive shape genes... It becomes a lot harder to make the max price ones. Thats why I included all of the 150+ ones as chasing the perfect 193 will take a lot of work and if you haven't been learning a lot about flowers then you will have to learn a lot.

like once you are done with hydrangea colors, place a bunch of tulips around the black tulips for a few generations. If you don't end up with any flowers shaped like this:

[solemn kiln]

make sure you get an aabb flower

first

[rich jungle]

Then you will probably have to restart from scratch if you want max max flowers. If you end up with shapes like this: then you can still get up to 170 per out of them.

[solemn kiln]

and go from there

[rich jungle]

150 per will still generate up to 15k homestead coins per 12-20 hours (12 hours if extra watering cycles, 20 hours if just advanced fertilizer).

[lyric bison]

not sure if the left 1 is black or not

[keen whale]

was it mentioned an easy way to select rose seeds instead of the other ones

[low summit]

someone joining your homestead will not ruin theirs right?

and a roomate can plant in mine?

[lyric bison]

update finally done it.

[gloomy umbra]

its coming together, finally i got all these black lotuses

[feral fern]

is there a way to delete those tulip seeds? i couldnt find where to delete them, everytime i plant stuff have to scroll all the way back to the newest flowers

[cosmic widget]

if i achieved same different visual color do i just replant them and not touch them? (i have purple quality in the middle already)

[fluid sorrel]

these arent black right?

[low summit]

LOL

my first hydrangea

[low summit]

they might be actually.

[rich jungle]

pale white

[rich jungle]

also pale white

[rich jungle]

plant them in a field, then recycle the field, and re-place the field

[low summit]

the one I posted? That looks super black to me :O

[rich jungle]

super red

[low summit]

ill go harvest it. I dont need a black hydrangea anyways.

ah, it wasnt black after all :(

it was

[tranquil skiff]

NOOOOO

the one time i thought it wasn't black and didn't ask here

it was black

😭 gonna die

[rich jungle]

if the center was purple, just leave it planted and should produce another given time.

if it was purely random, then would be very rng to try again...

[tranquil skiff]

i had to get a new seed cuz the black didn't give me the seed back

but my whole cross was purples of different colors

[rich jungle]

thats good then, yeah just reset the seed and will eventually produce another

[feral fern]

Thank you!!!!

[atomic citrus]

yep the offspring were indeed black roses from this, thanks mate

[potent walrus]

black check?

[rich jungle]

White, but next time you can change the camera settings to daytime (camera -> settings -> Enable time freeze -> slide to middle).

[potent walrus]

Tyty

[gloomy umbra]

once i finished this achievement is there any point to keep the black lotuses ?

[tranquil skiff]

IS THIS BLACK

im too scared

😭

[ivory minnow]

you got two black flowers

[ivory minnow]

theyre placeable decoration technically, in your house

[gloomy umbra]

is it a good idea to kept farming those for the coins, or should i move to the other flowers ?

[ivory minnow]

if you want to make coins, you can try to find this flower with tulips, then make it center flower then pollinate hydrangeas with it

[ivory minnow]

see here

[gloomy umbra]

the shape ?

[ivory minnow]

shape + colour

when that is fully inherited to a hydraenga its 193 each, you harvest like 7-8 each plot

so its 20k extra coins a day

you profit more if you use alts to apply the better fertilizer since then you skip the 200 tax yourself lol

[gloomy umbra]

i'll look more into it later

[unreal grail]

Not sure if people know or not but any black flower can turn any other flower type to black. I had 3 black roses and used them to get Hyd and Tul black flowers.

[raw field]

getting good shapes is a nightmare . . .

[merry ember]

hi chat is this black?!?

[raw field]

so far whenever i get a new black flower ive just been swapping them into the center

[rich jungle]

yes

[merry ember]

thank u!

[jaunty palm]

I don't get the method, do I pick all the flowers everytime and swap the best tier that I have to the center, or swap once and leave it until I got better tier?

[rich jungle]

either is fine so long as you are sure the one in the middle is the correct rarity.

[jaunty palm]

When I pick up the seed and place it down again, the seed’s rarity changes when I pick it back up. How would I know if it the better rarity after I replanted it?

[rich jungle]

they don't change. If you harvest and then immediately replant the one you planted is the same flower that you just harvested. And you are looking at the rarity of the flower obtained not the rarity of the seed as the seed is always purple.

[jaunty palm]

Ahh I see, I must have replanted the wrong seed. Thank you for clairifying

[small harness]

How does this work...? I only have one alt but it was just to enable my main to get food made from it :x

Should i max out the slots in homestead? I can go make 3 more characters (tho i wouldnt know what to make them do lifeskill wise)

[ivory minnow]

if you specifically want a lot of homestead coins on your main, then if alts are the ones applying fertilizer to the flowers belonging to the main, then you dont have to pay/make that on your main

if you intend to decorate, it's not as big of a deal since you can just buy furniture on your alts with their own coins and main can place them down- but if they are removed from the house then they take furnishings with them

[spice swift]

this is what i came to :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

if you get the #13 one, try to get it aabbccddEEff instead of aabbccddEeff,

basically with only this one, you either get black ones or this one (if you get a black one in the external ones need to replace the middle one with another and try until you no longer get black ones)

can probably use tulip to try breed the correct genes and spread to hydrangeas if its true we can crossbreed different kind of plant?

oops wrong place

[rich jungle]

Alts likely can't keep up with the fertilizer costs (at least with advanced fertilizer). You can get this much every 12-20 hours though, so they more than pay for themselves.

[ivory minnow]

im going to cook the fertilizer on the alt actually dont do that

but yeah you can still somewhat indirectly transfer homestead coins that way

also yippee

[rich jungle]

is it just x1 for advanced fertilizer? or does it craft like x5?

[ivory minnow]

pretty sure one by one

but my cul alt has 2s crafting time

is this one much better anyway?

[rich jungle]

never got to it, AFAIK someone said it wasn't even working (was worse than the normal advanced fertilizer).

the problem is if crafting it is x1, it costs 1100 homestead coins per craft. (just advanced fertilizer)

so unless you are spending luno you would be losing a lot

[ivory minnow]

oh yeah the ratios don't add up, let me make one to check

[rich jungle]

oh sorry not 1100, if you buy the normal horns, but it was still way more than 200

the blue fertilizer recipe is 3 bonemeal to 1...

[ivory minnow]

for some reason my brain reasoned that it'd be reasonable since you are going out your way to craft it

[rich jungle]

For some reason I think lifeskills are kinda backwards for that, like you can cook the fishing bait. But it is way more expensive than just buying it with the fishing rank

probably the same for advanced fertilizer since you unlock it at lvl 5 homestead

[ivory minnow]

horns: 780
hay: 66
base soil: 66
🤡

for the other fertilizer, if your alt is combat capable it can farm the horns- but if it's bad then rip

[rich jungle]

i mean in CBT fertilizer didn't work at all so at least its better than that...

[ivory minnow]

I'll try it when my alt can make it
thats now

[ivory minnow]

erm

it does.. nothing !
also oops wrong order, but you can see attempts: 0 from 1

I guess i'll find out if it does anything else later when its harvest time in 10 years

[small harness]

I will need to make homestead coins somehow on the alts to buy lots of the 200 adv. ferti, is there a way?

Nah i don't think i will be decorating haha

currently, the main is using the coins to finish the weekly lifeskills quests and homestead commissions

[ivory minnow]

you get some bound luno and housestead coins in excess on alts

some passive bound rose orbs happen without much intervention on alts, i.e. from guild- which can be spent on the weekly housestead coins too
you can also do one a few of the friendship coin giving things on alts for more weekly coins

you get some bound luno pouches weekly

[spice swift]

i dont have problem making fertilizer with my only alt.

and close to having lv25 cooking on it

homestead coin been non-negligible part of my leveling and making my weapons

[ivory minnow]

you probably dont want to make fertilizer from scratch

the 25 cul one does not do anything for the time

alternative is paying 2340 luno for 15 horns to make the bone meal for advanced fertilizer

You're probably better off just buying the commission items for bound luno instead if you want more homestead coins to buy more fertilizer

[rich jungle]

even with just buying the advanced fertilizer from delphine, you are set to make 21k every harvest (12-20 hours). AFTER the fertilizer costs. I feel like you guys are trying to min-max a bit too much.

The whole idea of maxing hydrangeas is so we can spend less time doing random lifeskill bs

[ivory shoal]

it's the Nth batch I bought from the shop yet I dont get purple

Idk what Im doing wrong anymore

its all green

for some patch that I got purple, after putting the purple in the middle all 4 around it becamethat same color after a few generations

[peak drift]

is this black?

[ivory minnow]

yes

[peak drift]

finally, thanks!

[ivory minnow]

how i recognized is that the other blue/purple tones are just too saturated in colour in comparison

[shadow bronze]

Are these black?

[shadow bronze]

where my black flower peeps at. i need another set of eyes

[smoky hinge]

here's a black, yours look slightly different color, they might be black, could just be due to color settings u might have or I have.

left picture, left one is probably black and right pic middle on is black I would say, they are "greyish"

[shadow bronze]

aw man

hopefully.

maybe i should harvest one since they both look similar, if one is black they both should be right? xD

[smoky hinge]

could wait for an expert, but im like 90% certain they are black

[shadow bronze]

ill kiss you rn if it is

lf pro to tell me if these flowers are black

[smoky hinge]

i'd like to know myself that how far can the black flower be from others for the others to be affected, eg. 1 square away? 2 square or just half a square away in the modeling section.

[tranquil skiff]

looks like 2 blacks

[shadow bronze]

niceeee

blacks are gold rarity when harvested?

[tranquil skiff]

ye

[rich jungle]

yeah its a bit rng though, with decent odds you get black flowers before they end up as aabb ccddE(e)ff. If you end up with the perfect ones just move them out. If not it might be faster overall to just swap back to tulips as correctly rnging the Ee as last gene might take a while.

[delicate light]

can roses/hydrangeas pollinate off of tulips or vice-versa? like if i have black tulips in the center will roses around it pollinate off the black tulips?

[rich jungle]

yes

[delicate light]

OH THATS AWESOME. TY

[rich jungle]

unfortunately pale white (not black).

[shadow bronze]

youre right. i harvested since my friend is on PC and has a bettr view of it than i do on mobile

sadge

[rich jungle]

Yeah i mean you have the full recessive black tulips right? you can get the ideal hydrangea/tulip from that given time (aabb ccddE(e)ff) its just going to take a while as you need the E to be the last gene which holds out. So if it happens with hydrangea, then just keep it. If it doesn't then you should probably just return to tulips to get it quicker.

yep

[smoky hinge]

Any idea if I can make black roses with black tulip in the middle, or do I need to get a black rose for that stuff?

also sad how black tulip sells for less than some blue tulip purple quality T_T

[short cedar]

@rich jungle or any other experts, anyone know if either of these are blacks? 😭

[rich jungle]

purple

[rich jungle]

yes, and the idea is that tulip grows faster so sells for less. But the endgame is hydrangea with advanced fertilizer (preferrably a high selling version and just harvest/replant over and over).

[native kite]

I harvested the center plot prior to this with purple plants. now it looks like this

should I replant, recycle, replant?

[charred herald]

Yall said hydrangea was best to sell for $?

[charred herald]

wait wtf they have high selling and low selling versions?

[potent walrus]

neither are black right?

[charred herald]

nope ;c

[potent walrus]

sigh

[rich jungle]

I just mean the geneology high priced vs low priced.

[charred herald]

O shit okie. So as long as we get this then we can just spread em apart to not pollinate and keep farming $

[thorny surge]

is this a 13 im blind

[charred herald]

Oops meant to ss the 193 one 😛

[rich jungle]

yes, thats the max

[thorny surge]

does this increase my odds of a black flower

[rich jungle]

i mean you might get a black from that but make sure you 100% keep that. As that is the absolute max one for hydrangea homestead coins farming for after you get black flowers.

You don't want to lose that, so keep it at all costs

[rich jungle]

and yeah for max max you go for the 13 (193 coins per one). But if you just want ~75-100% efficiency you can just do any of these:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

(page 4)

[charred herald]

This is awesome omg tysm!!!

[thorny surge]

If all the flowers in a cross are same color, does that confirm that the A_ is a AA for example?

And do I restart right away or wait 1 more generation

[rich jungle]

Give it a few generations, if nothing then likely AA.

[thorny surge]

Can i swap cross parents if they’re different?

If I end up in the dead end

[rich jungle]

https://youtu.be/QBWSTHAvS0g?si=aSUVgvYQjWeGzjrH&t=488
(8:08 in video).
There is a way to guarantee it at that point but might take a while. Also don't do this with the one you linked earlier (as it destroys the center, so at least move out a clone of the light green purple rarity flower to keep).

[thorny surge]

I see

[tranquil skiff]

black?

[rich jungle]

yes (left, center, right).

[tranquil skiff]

yay!

how does black flower price work btw?

cuz eventually wanna try max the profit from them

[rich jungle]

max profit is hydrangeas. But preferably the higher priced hydrangeas. You can pollinate them from tulips to get the better tulips faster than trying to start fresh from hydrangeas (which take a long time to grow).
Only start working with hydrangeas when you get lvl 5 homestead for advanced fertilizer. Here is the list of the highest selling hydrangeas and their tulip counterparts:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

Depending on your black flowers shape you can use it to create the high priced tulips in that sheet.

Or you can just keep RNG rolling tulips till you get one you are comfortable stopping at.

[tranquil skiff]

is black flowers less profit cuz u lose the seeds?

[rich jungle]

lose the seed, have to keep 1 planted (no harvest), when they turn black you start fresh with likely greens/blues, and lastly for hydrangeas the purples themselves actually sell for more than any of the black flowers.

[tranquil skiff]

thnx after i let my friends farm these black tulips

ill try hydrangea max

ur the goat

oh fml i had an aabbccddE_ff tulip but i think it turned black

[rich jungle]

you can always create an aabb ccddE_ff from a full recessive black, but it will take some time.

[native kite]

how do you pollinate?

[gloomy umbra]

now that i just harvested this flower, how do i use this one again ?
put it in the center of hydrangea ?

[rich jungle]

yeah, or grow more tulips to get more crosses of hydrangeas going at the same time.

[tranquil skiff]

idk the genes of my 5 blacks 🙁

[gloomy roost]

are these black?
the rose ones

[raw field]

in fact, what's the best way to go about obtaining max-price hydrangeas? that could be another nice guide series

[ivory minnow]

I grew tulips to get aabb or colour 13
Put those center
Get colour/shape closer to 13+aabb -> place that center
Repeat previous line -> till you get 4 of the aabb 13
Place aabb 13 in center with 4 hydrangeas around it

It's not too different to going for black flowers

you technically can optimise a bit further to get a dominant rather than recessive gene for the hidden gene, but i dont think its worth taking the extra time for it unless all of yours are that way or something

after i got 5 correct colour hydrangeas i just got rid of the tulip that sometimes created black flowers (so i got lucky with 3/4 i guess)

[spice swift]

is there a gene that affect quantity ?

because 8 x 150 > 5 x 193 for example

[raw field]

trueeeee

[raw field]

i don't think so

[low summit]

what is this dum not dehydrated thing

[thorny surge]

do i just leave these or do I swap the center again if there's a purple rarity after growing

Parent was 13. ccddE_ff
Children were 15. C_ddeeff
Results were 10. C_ddE_ff

[low summit]

if you reach this step you had 2 purple flower crosses that all became same color for multiple generations right?

[thorny surge]

yea

[low summit]

next step would be to regrow sides from new purple middles, which should then be different qualities, and usually blue quality.

when all are regrown, swap the middle purple with one of the sides, then harvest the sides, including the newly swapped purple and regrow with the new blue middle.

or whatever child you chose to swap with.

This is what i had to do for my first black flower

[thorny surge]

just keep replanting the sides after that?

do i ever have to swap the middle again

[low summit]

I wish i remember what i did specifically.

I know I had a new blue flower in the middle for the first new generation, IDK if i put a purple in the middle in generation 2

@rich jungle please adviiise.

[unreal grail]

I moved a drooping purple flower into the middle when I harvested one. Had black flowers soon after.

[paper cradle]

I have a question. I didnt investigate too much the homestead, but, after you got the achievement of black flowers, what is the reason to continue with the flowers?

[low summit]

homestead coins for material purchasing.

so you use homestead coins instead of luno.

[paper cradle]

At the moment is the only reason?

[low summit]

I believe so. You can buy furniture and stuff with homestead coins, but thats really all i know of right now

about 10k Homestead coins is a full material purchase for your weekly lifeskill quests :D

[paper cradle]

I understand. Thats cool

[paper cradle]

But im kinda fan of farm the mats lol

[low summit]

its for us lazies.

[paper cradle]

it's okay

Thank you for the info

[low summit]

:D

[cyan skiff]

is black a banned colour in china?? was it so difficult to make black flowers actually black jfc

[low summit]

idk lol

a good reference is that it kind of looks like clay.

[iron coral]

Is this far enough

And it wont pollinate?

[low summit]

yea, that should be far enoiugh

[misty lotus]

is this a black flower?

[deep parcel]

mm i guess its not black rose

atleast its purple

[rich jungle]

you are meant to just leave the blue center and eventually you will get black flowers. (putting a new purple might be faster, but it could also reset you back to a dominant/dominant).

[short cedar]

@rich jungle can a black tulip in the middle create a black roase

[rich jungle]

yes

yes, and if you get any black flowers you know its Ee (so swap it with a child that eventually becomes E_ for slightly better chance of it being EE).

[rich jungle]

yeah

[low summit]

any way to quickly get rid of fertalizer?

[livid crater]

can someone invite me to their home to collect some black flowers . lol 🥹

[rich jungle]

China patch notes (season 2 releases today).
Homestead notes:

[low summit]

wait, thats crazy.

Roomates being able to have their own fields is massive

what does this mean?

[rich jungle]

Probably refers to this (where I think its the seeds show as the flower they would grow as)

[low summit]

brb while i OCR that

[low summit]

this was on maxroll.

[barren axle]

Guys, is this flower black or no?

[rich jungle]

no pale white

[barren axle]

Thanks

Guys is been like 10 generations and i have a full cross of blue tulipans, should i continue planting tue same 5 blue tulipans? Is there a posibility to still get a purple one? Or should i restart the hole cross?

They are all the same color btw

But blue ones

[rich jungle]

If they are all the same color 100% restart, if they are not the same color you should still probably restart it as after that many generations you are very likely Dominant/Dominant on the last genes.

[barren axle]

Thanks

[low summit]

Im testing a funny thing

uhm. I think this means it worked? @rich jungle

[shadow bronze]

have i done it or naw?!

[low summit]

those look black to me.

all 3.

[shadow bronze]

thank goodness

[median matrix]

srry for dumb question but; for black flowers, i need the one on the right correct?
// if i were to just use the left & middle one, i wont get black flower?
// or does it not matter as long as it's [2] purple & just continue harvesting until a black one shows (cross-formation & all)

[low summit]

as long as its just two different purple, you should be fine. that is if you are specifically using the forced method.

@rich jungle for hydrangeas with advanced fertilizer, when are the times to water?

[rich jungle]

6-8hr, and 12 hrs after planting (If you miss the 8hr one I think it delays the 12hr one a bit).

[raw field]

after getting all of your hydrangea shapes and colors, would you say it's a good idea to scrap all of your black flowers and start working on getting a good shape+color for income?

[rich jungle]

Check the shape genes of your black flowers first. Test this by the children surrounding it after a few generations of replanting if they come out like this (shape), or this shape:

Then you can get some of the highest selling flowers just by rng from your black flower. (still will take a while to get the best ones).

Also as you are getting all of your hydrangea colors try to look at the shape. If you ever get a high selling one just keep it.

[rich jungle]

WIP:
(still needs a lot more training so use at your own risk).
https://huggingface.co/spaces/imdomatic/FlowerDetect

Trained mostly on black, so some of the colors get confused between them.

[shadow bronze]

so do i just plant any rarity next to the black flwoers now?

[rich jungle]

yes and just harvest and replant until they are black. then repeat.

[low summit]

@rich jungle lol.

apparently above also works for pollinating

[shadow bronze]

wtf

[native kite]

How tf did u do that?

[unreal cargo]

Are these black? The two outside ones

[charred herald]

is there any achievement to get all the colors of all the roses and stuff as well?

ik there was one for tulip but never saw any for rose?

[charred herald]

ya

[unreal cargo]

Cool! Thanks

[small harness]

Are these black hydrangeas?

[rich jungle]

yes

[gloomy umbra]

for homestead coin farming setup do i also harvest the middle tulips ?, or do i just harvest the hydrangea on the outerside ?

[small harness]

the highest priced "black" hydrangea is 185 aaB_

Should i be making "black" tulips with the same aaB_ gene?
The fourth tab on the google doc says A_bb black tulip for aaB_ black hydrangea, so i'm a little confused on that diff gene...

[rich jungle]

probably a typo, you shouldn't be going for black regardless for homestead coins.

[small harness]

More of a personal goal of mine haha

So it should be same gene right? aaB_

[brisk forum]

this one must be black?

[rich jungle]

pretty bad lighting, but probably.

[rich jungle]

Updated AI Flower color model (3x training data and simplified some colors for more confidence):
(Still primarily focused on Tulips, as training images were hard to come by for Hydrangea/Roses). Performs best for mostly top-down views during daytime.
https://huggingface.co/spaces/imdomatic/FlowerDetect

[thorny surge]

is this black

good enough for me

[deep parcel]

finally

[neon vault]

is this black?

[main basin]

The one on the bottom right yeah

Put him in the middle now

Without harvesting

[neon vault]

ok

[neon vault]

@rich jungle is the video coming out for max home stead coins flower farm?

[rich jungle]

Will at some point, probably a few days.

Finally just got the entire field maxed out.

[neon vault]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-oh-my-woah-whoa-cute-gif-4765390319311889096

[delicate light]

Is there a way to delete normal fertilizer? I only want to use advanced but i keep picking up the normal one

[rich jungle]

have to just plant some fresh seeds, fertilize it then recycle it...

[delicate light]

damn they really need to make this more user friendly lol

[spice swift]

what does sterilizing fertilizer? dont change time

[thorny surge]

How much of the max flower do we need, just 4?

[charred herald]

is there an achievement for that?

[thorny surge]

It sterilizes the plant but forgot to be a fertilizer

[rich jungle]

You only need 1 but to pollinate 16 (20 total fields) others at a time 4 is ideal

[thorny surge]

Does the unknown gene matter

[rich jungle]

Ideally is EE but if you get black flowers (Ee) then just replace the center with the first E_ child

Which should have a lower chance at being Ee

[thorny surge]

Oh lord I lost track of MY EE

I kept a copy, just not sure if it was from a diff cross or the EE cross 💀

[unreal grail]

Black Rose reference pic:

Black Hydrangea reference pic:

[rapid stratus]

black? 🥺

[rich jungle]

yes

[lunar sierra]

this is black correct?

[rich jungle]

yes

[copper yarrow]

Can you pollunate a rose with a tulip? or is it strickly tulip/tulip rose/rose?

[fossil oracle]

Is this a black flower?

[rich jungle]

yes

[raw field]

what does it mean when you're able to water a flower but then it gives you the "not dehydrated" message?

[unreal grail]

Yes. I used a Black Tulip to get a Black Rose, and then that Black Rose to get Black Hydrangea

[rich jungle]

visual bug you are too late for the actual waterable time. But it gets stuck showing the watering icon.

[raw field]

boooo

[gritty wraith]

do i restart if everything is same color and they all purple rarity?

[rich jungle]

yeah highly likely everything is Dominant/Dominant last gene.

[copper yarrow]

Thanks homie!

[tawny chasm]

I just got the achieviement of all hydrangea. So i got the black one too?

[barren axle]

Guys, is this flowers black??

[low summit]

does not look like it.

@barren axle

@rich jungle How can I confirm if a one of my flowers is dominant EE for the best Hydrangea?

omg. I hate regular fertilier

accidentally fertalized a perfect hydrangea

[low summit]

My most recent harvest for hydrangeas, middle is a tulip @rich jungle

[thorn rune]

black?

[barren axle]

Ey, whar kind of ia is this?

[low summit]

Doma's

should be a few links here

[low summit]

no, no

[solemn star]

I this is?

or maybe this one?

[rich jungle]

Can only tell by just breeding off it. If you end up with a black then you just end up swapping it with a child E_ when you get one as it is more likely to be EE.

[low summit]

Oh, that makes sense.

[low summit]

not 100% on the hydrangea

[low summit]

this is what it should look like

not my image

[solemn star]

tysm! Now I know what to look for

[low summit]

@rich jungle if you water a flower and it pushes it past polination, does it skip that step?

[rich jungle]

yes, and it still pollinates

[low summit]

oh, I thouht it skipped. So a flower could become black after in theory?

[rich jungle]

yeah, so technically with hydrangeas etc. you could only have 1 parent and pollinate a bunch off of that 1 parent by just swapping them out watering etc.

[low summit]

Ah So you could have a bunch of plots, then do something like

X
XXX X X X X X X
X

and just swao the right side with the seperate as you water?

Though, that is just really dum

[rich jungle]

yeah, but keep in mind this requires you to fully finish off the phase by watering.

[low summit]

yea. I think hydrangeas are 45-1hr pollinate?

[rich jungle]

1hr. Roses 45, tulips 30

[low summit]

Ah. So you would need to water at below 4 hrs

cuz water reduces is by 5

[rich jungle]

if you water at the 6-8 hour and the 12hr, it skips straight to done.

[low summit]

does it?

I watered at 6 I think

14hrs 30min remaining I think?

is when Itbecomes waterable

[median matrix]

thx for the guidance! @low summit @rich jungle ❤️

[low summit]

nice!

so it takes 12 hours minimum for a hydrangea, right?

if you water at 6 hours each time.

[rich jungle]

yeah with advanced fertilizer + watering 6-8hours after plant + watering at 12hours ~30min

I think full timer is like 12hr 15-30min.

[low summit]

not bad at all.

20 plots of perfect hydrangeas is probably a TON of homestead coins

[rich jungle]

Got 139 in my last one but didn't screenshot it (was 26,827)

[low summit]

what is hydrangea min max flowers?

5-8?

[rich jungle]

average is about 6.5 per field

[low summit]

just trying to math.

if minimum is 5, then minimum amount per harvest is 19.3k. maximum at 8 would be 30880

And just imagine when roomates can get plots

[fluid sorrel]

is right black?

[fluid sorrel]

pale white my mortal enemy

[small harness]

Any idea how to get the identifier to give result?

I send a screenshot of the plots in a cross but i dont get any read, just the same screenshot as the result

*bird eye pov + 12 time freeze

[rich jungle]

It does not identify low grade flowers, mostly just the ones that people often confuse as black/purple rarities.

If you think it should be identifying some flower please send the screenshots and if it should then I will add it to the training data.

[small harness]

I see.. theres a green rarity tulip that looks like a black tulip so I myself (colorblind ahh) cant tell to begin with..

[timid wharf]

those 2 are black right?

[rich jungle]

mind sending the screenshot I can try to add those colored tulips to be detected. I just added the ones people normally post as "is this black".

[rich jungle]

yep

[timid wharf]

thank you

[small harness]

I will start taking SS of the plots before i harvest in case the black looking ones are green rarity xP I heavily rely on the tool you made ever since you made it ❤️

My issue is sometimes it dont show

[rich jungle]

Ok so those light pink, seem to look black?

I'll go back through my training set and add a pink. Send me any others which are hard to tell.

I basically have it set up that if it doesn't detect it then it's a likely worthless flower. But I want to cover all "I think that looks like black" at a minimum.

[jaunty palm]

I keep getting a bunch of blue rarity purple, is this normal?

[rich jungle]

Will probably upload this model in a few minutes. I need to probably do a slight change with a few of the labels. For instance the dark green should probably be by itself, and the light green/white should probably be its own category as well (saw a few examples of patches getting tagged as both/conflicting).

Also have more hydrangeas/roses to train it with that didn't make it in this model.

[rich jungle]

if you end up with all blue, then it is likely that the center can never create a black flower (~50% chance for purples). However you aren't full blue yet. If it goes full blue then you can give it a few generations if you want (very small chance), or just destroy all the seeds and restart with new ones.

[jaunty palm]

I see,ty. Probably reset is the good call

[small harness]

Is this really Red-Pink? I thought the middle was a black tulip 😭

[rich jungle]

yeah it is a pure pink.

[thorn rune]

is the picture guide gone? i cant seem to find it anywhere + link from the spreadsheet doesnt work

[rich jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1427671944437956638/1431088880748200078/visual_guide.png?ex=6906b0e1&is=69055f61&hm=5941314cd4fb27237319e551c7e22d8bbe64d9674c259e410d1e0a91b1a045db

whoops I changed the text of the website link, but it kept the old hyperlink

fixed the spreadsheet link

[thorn rune]

thank you!!

doing god's work over there :prayge:

[languid verge]

Is this black flower?

[unborn mortar]

is this a black flower?

[low summit]

This is when I did that switch method. Worked like a charm

[low summit]

I don't think so.

[low summit]

I think so.

[gritty wraith]

not black right?

[low summit]

correct

[storm fjord]

can you pollinate passively from friends flowers ?

i got a bunch of black flowers ready but my friend said she cant passively pollinate

[low summit]

yes

i have already gotten 3 of my guildmates their black flower achievement

[storm fjord]

damn i guess my friends just super unlucky

she still has red flowers somehow

thanks for the info

[low summit]

@rich jungle Would having two aabbccddEEff Hydrangeas polinate a single flower increase its chance to be a clone?

[rich jungle]

no, child flowers only pollinate off one parent

[low summit]

Like

Y X
X Y X
X Y

With Y being the perfect hydrangeas

ohhh

ok.

[rich jungle]

Updated model for better visual color grouping (more confident). Slightly better rose/hydrangea detections, and added more instructions + example photo for ideal photos.

https://huggingface.co/spaces/imdomatic/FlowerDetect

[tawny chasm]

I got the achieviement for all hydrangea and rosee so i got the black too?

[small harness]

How do i tell if the tulip black flower is the right gene?

I want to use aaB_ black tulip to make the hydrangea variant but i keep seeing mixed tulip black flowers when harvesting the flower to check..

[low summit]

There isn't a real way to check. I made a purple aabb and used that to make mine.

[small harness]

That works? I'm targeting this hydrangea though

[neon vault]

were you able to get it?

[small harness]

I cant figure out a way to confirm if a black tulip is the variant i want (aaB_)

[heady grotto]

question: can someone get invited to my homestead and get the black flower pollen only to back to his homestead? will the pollen still exist?

[low summit]

uhhhh

I would think so?

Im not sure though

[barren axle]

Thanks guys, finally a black flower, now i can harvest more, all thanks to you

[low summit]

is that one black? Its hard to tell from this image.

it might be

[barren axle]

Yeah it is

[low summit]

@rich jungle when you are working on perfecting your hydrangeas, do you immediately scrap red flowers?

or green quality

[rich jungle]

you have the perfect one in the middle already right? then no reason to recycle any, just resets progress when worst case it is the same as a new seed (failed all 50%s).

also you could get red/green but at least move 1 shape gene towards the parent.

[low summit]

oh, if its perfect will it eventually get other perfect regardless?

[rich jungle]

yeah, same as black flowers eventually createa black flower. Just gotta harvest and replant until they are perfect

[low summit]

ahh, ok.

[rich jungle]

There is but applying it is extremely buggy. Highly advise against having any blue fertilizer at all if you can avoid it, as even being super careful trying to avoid the bugs it sometimes still just applies it with no chance to stop it.

[rich jungle]

yeah, but ideally you just stop doing the blue fertilizer daily comissions (when you stop needing homestead xp).

[small harness]

am i suppose to have 5 of the same flower gene together to find a specific black flower? I feel like im doing this wrong :x

I'm doing this now and it's been hit/miss when the unknown becomes a "black" and i've claimed some aaB_ccddeeff and some that's all recessive aabbccddeeff black flowers

Or should the middle be aaB_ purple?

[tall eagle]

Hi guys, is the bottom one the black flower?

[tall eagle]

Maybe this will help

[small harness]

blurry...

[tall eagle]

Yeahh I also open it in Chrome, I found this pic btw

[ebon monolith]

looks like black to me

[rich jungle]

no

[tall eagle]

Saaad

Ty for the answer

[short cedar]

ngl, I feel like "is this black?" Is the most asked question on BPSR

[ebon monolith]

blame the game for not properly tagging

[storm fjord]

its a fairly distinct dead blue colour

could use the sheet to match it

[heady grotto]

any muku?

[final tendon]

can i give a black flower to my friend by putting his field next to my black flower?

[storm fjord]

it will take a couple attempts but yes

[rough elm]

how long's it supposed to take to get a black variety ? I been trying forever lol. They're all of Purple quality. do I harvest all of em and replant or just the ones arround the middles ones?

[low summit]

You uh... have pretty bad luck.

[rough elm]

The worse lmao

[low summit]

If any of those were a different color, you would be golden. Lol.

[rough elm]

they might've been at one point. but it still never gave me black

[low summit]

I would kill two of the crosses, and keep the third as a backup for the switch swap method.

[rough elm]

so harvest. replant , recycle , remake 2 crosses?

[low summit]

Yea.

Ideally you will just get a black with the normal method.

[rough elm]

basically this part ?

[low summit]

But if you get another full color purple cross, you can do the guaranteed black method.

[low summit]

Yep

[rough elm]

bout to just put em all solo and use the vendors seeds there, heard some folks getting black from vendor

getting fed up lol

[low summit]

When you recycle you make sure you buy fresh seeds.

[rough elm]

yeah i just used up all i had, if i harvest 2 crosses like u said , il replant before recycling to junk those seeds and start with vendors again

il give that a try, thanks

how many tries should i give it before restarting ? or do i just restart everytime from scratch ?

[low summit]

Yep. Then do the normal cross, with first harvest's best rarity in middle, until purple.

[low summit]

Ideally you won't need to restart.

If you get literally any purple rarity that isn't blue, you are guaranteed a black.

[rough elm]

hmmm see thats where it confuses me , they literally all purple quality at this point

so why no black lmao

[rich jungle]

Solo flowers will always be red (green quality) only through pollination can you get black flowers (1/256 for fresh seeds).

[low summit]

Just means all children and main flower have dominant genes.

[rough elm]

ahhh

[low summit]

A black flower is all recessive.

[rough elm]

Yeah i get how it works irl, im a botanist lol this is just... redic

[low summit]

Just work on the 2 new crosses, when you get a purple middle you can @ me (or doma🚌) i can guide you further if needed

[rough elm]

aight, will prob be tomorrow at this point, since its almost 9pm here

ty guys

[low summit]

Mhmmm. Doma living the life of a perfect garden. I'm trying to do the same. Lol.

[rough elm]

Sry to bug ya again , when restarting after recycle. Do you still water outside and water + Fertlize the mid as well ?

[rich jungle]

starting fresh, water + fertilize all.

[rough elm]

oh sweet, then you'll surely see me again in 4h lol if you're still on

ty

[short cedar]

are either of these black

[rich jungle]

blues

[short cedar]

just saw the huggingface link xd

[short cedar]

appreciate it! ;D

[rich jungle]

just beware its less accurate with hydrangeas and roses (due to less training images)

[short cedar]

sure thing! i'll ask here just to be sure when accuracy is less than 80%

but if it above 80%, then i'll just fly with it

[plush holly]

Is there any reason to use advanced fertiliser over fertiliser? Is the ROI worth it?

[rich jungle]

yes it turns it from almost 2 days down to 20 hours

(only for hydrangeas)

[low summit]

i havnt done it on roses, but it makes tulips a total of 2.5 hrs

[burnt marsh]

Hugging face can’t decide if these are purple or black. Anyone have input?

[low summit]

seems like a light blue/purple to me

[rich jungle]

purple, it still weak to roses

[rough elm]

You still on @rich jungle ?

[rich jungle]

yeah

[rough elm]

so this is what came out of the reset , im assuming all red are green, since you said red is always green? do i harvest and replant everything or restart again? and i move the blue one in middle if its purple after i resow it ? right ?

[rich jungle]

yeah the full red cross harvest replant, then recycle the fields and re-place them, then plant freshly bought seeds

[rough elm]

perfect, thought so

[rich jungle]

you can do that for the left cross as well if you want (the red flowers) as they are probably decently dominant outside the 2 genes that lets that one be blue.

[rough elm]

aight, and if that blue one is indeed purple. i replant and move in middle of plot right ?

if its just blue, do i start over or ?

[rich jungle]

it looks blue (purple quality), but even if it is blue rarity you should move it to the center, then water + fertilize it. And only water the outside.

[rough elm]

oh alright , thx

[rich jungle]

This allows the center to grow before the outside and keep its rarity