📝 **Official Statement on CBT Access &

[dusky steppe]

Please let us know, if you have any feedback or suggestions.

[rough obsidian]

at this point if the cbt is made for stress the servers, do an open beta

[graceful rain]

I agree with this ,so we can have as fluid as possible launch

[olive frigate]

Only feedback is that the rebate change is good, ty

[craggy zenith]

Open beta after CBT, or do you mean the CBT will become an open beta once stable? 🙂

[rough obsidian]

i mean, cancel the upcoming cbt and made it an obt instead

cbt is useless if they have to stress test the servers

[coarse fern]

Thank you so much for listening!

[sterile bough]

Really glad that we where listened too. Much more comfortable with that. As I understand this though, you want to have a CBT starting so you can test server structure and then open it into an Open Beta, once you verify that everything runs smoothly? I mean it's not the baddest plan honestly.

[craggy zenith]

They want a CBT to test eveyrthing first. That is fine.

[crisp knoll]

its a small error, frankie meant launch not open beta

[craggy zenith]

Understood. Once that gets changed and edited will be fine then. Thanks Seven

[sterile bough]

Ah okay, maybe correct that before rumour mill goes running again 😄

[edgy night]

If the launch is soon you should stress test the servers I think

[rough obsidian]

there is no reason to test everything when in china the game already released, everything is just ready, open beta is the better way to stress test servers

[dusky steppe]

wording it properly, should be the official launch

[craggy zenith]

Global servers, localisation, feedback on systems, all fine with a CBT. If they open it up more as it goes on, we might end up with a OBT situation anyway. Let's celebrate the actual big change which is the rebate.

[sterile bough]

Okay, instead of just telling to do an Open Beta, is there maybe a reason for it to be a CBT it you are testing servers and structures? Can you maybe explain it? @dusky steppe @crisp knoll

[crisp knoll]

Also keep in mind that the Beta will be PC only (for now) so even if everyone gets in, it would still not be an Open Beta because Mobile Players cant join.

[craggy zenith]

I think the main positive is they want launch "soon" after CBT.

[rough obsidian]

yeah, this is the other problem, if the game will be released after the cbt, how the fuck they will test the mobile build?

[brittle wolf]

Rog Phone 9 Pro would be able to run it when it comes on phones?

[proper mantle]

Placing $5 bets that it will be 4 to 5 weeks after cbt

[zealous lily]

i wish that "soon" will be 1 week after and not 1 month

[craggy zenith]

Late September / October is pretty likely, which is fine.

[jolly pulsar]

I have a question: will the regions on the global server, NA, EUW, etc., be divided?

[proper mantle]

We can dream

[red furnace]

Then I got to say it here:

Cutting the rebates sucks. All it does is giving the players less for their money, especially the non-whales. The loud minority complaining about it just did so based on imagining a horror scenario in which many don't get beta access and those who get in receive some kind of infinite money glitch.

You could have just offered a solution that gives anyone interested in the beta the chances to eventually gain the rebate opening the beta more and more.

All this "solution" did was take away from players, especially the very invested fans who don't have the money to compensate for the lost bonus through whaling.

[crisp knoll]

If everyone has a smooth experience on the Megaserver that will be tested for the CBT then no

[red furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-saved-the-city-spongebob-squarepants-we-saved-the-city-gif-7879261153627679688

[craggy zenith]

Nothing is taken away because we never had the bonus in the first place in a live environment. I get where your coming from, but this solution IS the best for the games reputation, for any future players that miss the bonus, etc.

[coarse fern]

I think so too

[sterile bough]

Dude, I think sadly you are one of very few here who will see it that way. And the others are either not on this discord, didn't vote or don't care, so we won and are happy about it 🙂

[compact marsh]

I was expecting every possible solution, whether it was changing from CBT to OBT, moving the Rebate event to the official launch, etc. And this decision was the last thing I thought of, and honestly, it was the best one I ever thought of!

This, besides being a victory for us, shows that you also care about community feedback; you listen to us ❤️

Many games and publishers simply take the game and turn it into disguised casinos and then close the game...

I just hope for a bright future for BPSR and that I can pass my account on to my children (when I have them one day).

Just taking the opportunity to ask... what will the store's pricing be like? Like, will it be regionalized for each country and its currency? Or will everything be in US dollars?

[craggy zenith]

Pluss, we don't know what launch inventives they have. Maybe we'll get a shit ton of goodies anyway

[compact marsh]

Now that we have a 1:1 rebate,

Incentive rewards could be titles like "Star Pioneer" or specific (but not very pretty) skins.

[red furnace]

The reason for that is fear though. They have not evaluated it. They have not considered it as an opportunity after receiving some positive changes.

[craggy zenith]

This IS a positive change. The game was getting ripped online

[coarse fern]

I think this is the best possible solution and I‘m very glad you listened to our Feedback.
I‘m excited for the CBT + release. <33

[forest slate]

I smell Gamescom big announcement release

[red furnace]

Maybe in some bubbles I have not seen.

In the end, the players receive less. This is a fact.

[olive frigate]

The only possible positive changes was keeping the rebate and making CBT an OBT instead or just having the rebate for everyone on launch instead of in closed beta. Plus the post still says we'll get more information about a rebate later on, so it's entirely possible the latter option is happening.

[sterile bough]

Okay, how exactly would it be fear? I'm really sorry but I don't get it. You see right now the relieve and the joy of everyone else posting here :/ I don't see fear anywhere

[errant parrot]

It’s a win-win for both cause If you really want to milk players, why milk the limited ones who has access to the beta, and not the potential whales in the live version? If they went with this route, they would lose a ton of players and potential money makers.

[craggy zenith]

Sure it "sucks" for everyone to not have a chance at the bonus, BUT that bonus wouldn't have lasted forever, people would still miss out. Mobile players would miss out. It also means a level playing field which is the best outcome for the game. Now bad faith people can't paint a rebate as pay to win.

[proper mantle]

Even though i was one of the few who were excited for the rebate, i will admit that this is the better choice for the game

[red furnace]

That's the hope we all have, but they used some pretty definite wording.

[crisp knoll]

A Plus wont be at Gamescom unfortunately

[craggy zenith]

The game will not have a bonus rebate.

[sterile bough]

Someone going to gamescom that wants to hold up a picture of star resonance, just so we are there? xD

[craggy zenith]

There not going to say no bonus, then decide to have one later in the same format lol

[compact marsh]

Not to mention that they value listening to the majority of the community, rather than the "whale" part of the game.
And that says a lot about them ❤️

[olive frigate]

Then what could be meant by more detailed information about the rebate system coming soon?

[sterile bough]

Exactly my thinking. They listened, they didn't just go forward with the plan. And this is huge for me.

[red furnace]

If anything, that proves my point.
People were afraid of an unfair rebate system before we have even seen its reality.

[craggy zenith]

Need to think of this big picture. For the games reputation this really is the best option.

[olive frigate]

Not being sparky btw, genuine question

[zealous veldt]

i haven’t resd the whole convo but are there people actually upset they won’t get bonuses for spending money

[craggy zenith]

We know how it works. It was the same system they had in China. That is why the feedback was there.

[supple oasis]

The reality was written out? I'm not sure where you're going with this

[compact marsh]

I've some traumas about that ... BPJP was at gamescon and nothing came of it

[red furnace]

Funnily, OGBP was at Gamescom.

[sterile bough]

The reality was the rating that was already posted, what reality was there to be seen?

[forest slate]

That a big miss opportunity

[craggy zenith]

I expect they mean to explain how purchases will work in beta now there is no bonus. They will need to change the infographic, etc.

[crisp knoll]

They all busy working hard to release the game asap

[olive frigate]

Icic, makes sense

[errant parrot]

They could make it to the live version having bonuses on the first month as part of the launch events prolly

[compact marsh]

Seriously, this decision really surprised me, and it made my Friday 🤣

I was hesitant about the publisher's approach to the game... If it was going to be another money grab 🤣

You can clearly see APlus' commitment to the game and the community. Their interests are the same as Bokura's CEO...

[forest slate]

We don't need a speedrun release, but a proper release.

[dire shell]

If only they could remove the actual p2w from the game

[red furnace]

Pricing, actual effective bonus, alternative rebates that are a normal part of the game, like monthly purchase bonuses... We all did not know about that. Perhaps early whales would have received a miniscule amount of extra currency, while now it might turn out not worth it / risky / regrettable to invest during the beta.

[craggy zenith]

If people want to spend in a cbt for a 1:1 rebate at launch, let them. People will.

[crisp knoll]

If they would speedrun it it would already be out

[vivid orchid]

Then don't invest during beta. Easy

[compact marsh]

No need to rush... They're doing it at their own pace and it's coming out perfect... At this pace, they're even able to hear our feedback and even have time to make changes regarding events 🙂

[cyan forge]

It would have released with CN if they were speed running

[sterile bough]

I still hope the mods and everyone will see the thread where we talk about gacha and rose orbs, If they saw this, maybe they see other things too

[errant parrot]

You will not lose nor win anything in beta. So the risk is just whatever

[forest slate]

Not really because CN is still not release its also the biggest place to make your revenue.

[craggy zenith]

Also, this bonus decision has a small knock on effect on whales at launch regarding pay to win. Not a massive amount, but it's a small win in that regard too

[forest slate]

So if they flopped in CN its already done

[dire shell]

That is the main win of them listening to this removal of the extra bonus on the rebate I suppose, that they are willing to listen but the bad p2w stuff is still there. This is a miniscule win for now.

[cyan forge]

I for one am all for the "rebate" becoming 1:1 since it's definitely fair for the people who don't get into the beta

[red furnace]

You don't like something about the game? Don't play

[craggy zenith]

I mean... yes? You understand the concept then

[olive frigate]

Pretty huge PR win though

[red furnace]

Well, my bank account is not in a beta phase.

[dire shell]

Some may see it that way

[vivid orchid]

That's not what I said, but if that's how you feel, I'm not going to stop you

[forest slate]

BDO flashback with the P2W XD

[red furnace]

Then why didn't you drop it when learning about the rebates?

[craggy zenith]

Because I knew it needed to change, which it has.

[dire shell]

Once official release is out, if there is bad p2w then the PR wont be so good.

[proper mantle]

I haven't been watching any of the cn gameplay but is the p2w you guys are talking about the gacha solely or are there other things?

[red furnace]

Irony is a concept hard to grasp.

[vivid orchid]

If you were being ironic, which you weren't

[sterile bough]

rose orb conversion to ingame money and imaginn gacha is there, see feedback for some threads there are discussions about it :/

[supple oasis]

That wasn't the main issue and saying its "risky" is wrong. Nothing is "risky" about this. Either you were planning on spending already or not and this rebate bonus was extra incentive to do so, not something to make it more "safe" to invest.

The western audience PREFERS even playing fields. This leads into the problem with the rebate that everyone here gave feedback for: CBT is NOT open for everyone and by giving bonuses to people who spend DURING CBT provides issues in three ways.

1. if some people were even handpicked by the devs then it leads into issues (e.g. Streamers get more? double dipping with possible sponsorships? etc.)
2. if people were not picked (and they were planning on spending), they didnt even get the chance to benefit from the bonus (i.e. uneven playing field)
3. People who were picked but weren't planning on spending now feel like they HAVE to spend (which is predatory behaviour that the western audience HATES)

[red furnace]

To a degree, it will be bad. That is just gacha.

[craggy zenith]

I think what is hard to grasp is understanding your reasoning. If people want to spend in the beta, with a 1:1 rebate, great. People still will do this to see how far there money can go in a testing environment.

[dire shell]

💯

[forest slate]

Also stress test in a CBT is a meme, you really need a open test to fully test your server.

[cyan forge]

We still don't know how many keys are going out

[errant parrot]

The funny thing is, they want to push the rebates and they aren’t even sure if they get accepted into the beta. So they are fighting an imaginary battle atp

[gray zealot]

No they wont lol

[cyan forge]

Could be a larger test then JP did might be smaller

[dire shell]

For sure need to invite as many people as possible for a good test

[forest slate]

I think not alot but at least maybe more then NTE 😂

[craggy zenith]

Well they say more people will be added to CBT as time goes on. I expect it'll end up a pseudo OBT by the end tbh.

[sterile bough]

Weeeelll that is not "completly" true. I agree on a general level. But you need to test other things before you "Stresstest" it. Entry and Access are a big thing and we are having different servers than china because of Localisation, so maybe they need to test that first?

[keen flint]

this is a positive change. thats my opinion.
people that want to pay, can. however, they are not getting more than regular people will pay on release, so there is no difference between people who will want to pay whether its for cosmetics or anything else. thats all i have

[forest slate]

That should be a early test

[compact marsh]

I guess i agree with you in that xD but they will give more keys during the CBT ... This helps control server overcrowding, and they can measure server behavior.

[cyan forge]

I'd personally like to know how many keys are going out and how many more slots will be going out too as the test goes on and in what part of the test they'll start

[woven forge]

Soon ™

[errant parrot]

The west is more sensitive anything money talks. It will leave a bad taste. And first impression is just as important as pretty much anything. They’d be branded as incompetent and unable to listen to their audience, which would lose potential players. So yes.

[forest slate]

That paying thing in a beta is just strange because after the Beta they can also delay and cancel the game if they want.

[dire shell]

It was a gamble for sure

[forest slate]

Maybe the Asia market its normal but in western market its going to trigger black flags for sure

[red furnace]

Okay, you are right. Let me elaborate the thing I considered in my calculation here:
Games like these offer returning rebates and bonuses normally. Like daily currency for 30 days, +100% currency for a purchase every big update, etc... They make you end up getting more value for you money. Great for careful spenders. Now, what if the beta is lacking anything of that kind? If someone ends up spending, then sees some bonus on release that would have meant greater value to them? And then, you play the CBT to be able to provide feedback, or risk not being able to play the game on release due to potential changes. You help the devs and take a certain risk playing a game that is not final. I have seen the rebate as a compensation for exactly this.

[gray zealot]

The west is sensitive about everything lol yet ppl still drop over 5 figures

[cursive heron]

Can I participate in this beta test from Japan?

[delicate aurora]

I love this update. Thank you to everyone who helped make it happen

[forest slate]

Lets ask Elon to throw some money at it xD

[craggy zenith]

It's now just a normal closed beta with optional fair spending. Thats all you really need to think about. If your worried about the state of the game, don't spend in the beta.

[white delta]

Yes, but launch is region locked, you'll need a VPN to play after beta. (Maybe, if they have a standalone client you may be able to play still)

[keen flint]

its not that strange. its fine to test payment methods etc, which will be vastly different to the cn version, its not unheard of or anything. its fine.

[rapid wing]

😵‍💫 please ditch CBT and make it an open beta, if the purpose of the test it to "stress" servers, more people the better.

[craggy zenith]

If your worried about it, you can now NOT spend in the beta without losing anything

[forest slate]

I won't spend because its a beta xd

[errant parrot]

#social-feed updated ver

[craggy zenith]

Great. Now with no bonus rebate that is totally valid

[forest slate]

Yup xD

[cyan forge]

I was planning on spending in the full game for drip so I don't mind doing it in the beta if the drip available is good

[red furnace]

Extend a rebate like this until the first weeks of the actual release and voilà, everyone would have been happy.

[sterile bough]

But can you do a rebate if the game is released? The Items are in your posession, they are not "burned" through reset so you get more orbs back. o.O?

[craggy zenith]

People would still miss out if they join after the bonus runs out. This is fairer AND the best look for the game.

Your're missing the big picture on how it looks to people looking in on the game

[red furnace]

It's a gacha. That is the picture you are talking about and which said people see.

[craggy zenith]

It's an MMO

[white delta]

The game was already getting cooked all over the place by people dooming about a bonus rebate in CBT
I would still expect them to do some kind of sales on launch to incentivize people to spend, and if you want that you should make a feedback thread about it
It isn't a gacha game btw

[craggy zenith]

It's not a "gacha" game in what most people see as one.

[forest slate]

MMO gacha game

[craggy zenith]

Single player "gacha game" is massively different to if a bonus happens in a single player gacha game

[forest slate]

Its ToF 💀

[cyan forge]

Game content isn't locked behind the gacha paywall

[sterile bough]

And they dont advertise it themselves as one, they advertise as an mmorpg according to steamtags

[coarse fern]

it‘s an mmorpg

[olive frigate]

Yeah idk the gacha is just cosmetics, you ain't pulling for characters you can barely call it a gacha MMO

[short wagon]

I agree I think its lame that we have to catter to free 2 play. I played many Gacha, and was excited for the potential to get the best bang for your buck. Its crazy to be crying over something that doesnt even effect you or your account.

[craggy zenith]

Like any term, you can interpret it how you want. But no way is this ToF. No weapon gacha, your not rolling for set pieces (yes I know imagins are power and *gear, still not the same", the gacha here is small time compared to ToF.

[little plank]

I'm glad to see the change, i really didn't like the super early FOMO-baiting and then seeing the $450 ceiling made it look worse

[cyan forge]

You can do everything without touching the gacha and use all the mechanics in the game without it aswell

[craggy zenith]

This game would be ToF if you were rolling for classes and weapons. Your not. It's not really very comparable.

[olive frigate]

How is it catering exclusively to F2P tho? Even if you have the big bucks to spend on the rebates, what if you just never made it into the beta at all?

[compact marsh]

See now?

The community is divided between

"BPSR is a gacha game"
and
"BPSR is an MMORPG"

Which I'm not criticizing xD, I'm just pointing out the facts.

[red furnace]

With controversial monetization. Worrying about having a bit less or more of that is pointless.

[craggy zenith]

Pointless enough it got changed and is being wildly celebrated.

[compact marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

me when see Frankieeeee post

[red furnace]

No, it did not. Since it is the game's gacha system and micro transactions.

[gray zealot]

then people will complain if servers are down or any other issues. 🥱

[keen flint]

me trying to look for a f2p mmo without controversial monetization:

[craggy zenith]

Your moving the goalposts. This feedback post is about discussing the bonus rebate being removed. People are happy with this. Now your complaining about the monetisation, which is fair, but not what is being discussed here.

If you want to continue the feedback on monetisation, continue to post here https://discord.com/channels/594431022188331008/1393437307104657498

[forest slate]

They launched a new server in CN without gacha if you didn't known XD

[craggy zenith]

What is important is this means global launch will be fair. Long term does it make a massive difference to the pay to win? No, not really. Does it make a massive difference on how the game is perceived in the west. Absolutely.

[craggy zenith]

I did know, it's a test server atm. Great, I hope it does well. That may then influence future SR decisions. But you were refering to base game ToF, so my points still stand.

[red furnace]

This is just making up arguments at this point.

[craggy zenith]

No one is making up any arguments here that I can see. You made your statements, people replied explaining there view. I've pointed out the place for monetisation discussion to continue. We've seen feedback work here, maybe it can work there. Worth keeping that thread going imo.

[red furnace]

You were right when saying this isn't about the games model to make money. Then you shifted the topic there framing me as the one doing it, to give one example.

[short wagon]

Then that would be that. I'm not going to cry about it. I still plan to play the game and spend.

I've been playing CN release for 3 weeks now, and I just want skins my guy.

[tranquil maple]

Just woke up to this good news. I did not mind the rebate, but I was behind the thought process of making it fair for everyone. So this solutions works great. Whoever wants to spend will do so and get their money back and whoever doesnt wont be affected at all.

[craggy zenith]

I don't think I've framed you into anything, but I apologise if you feel that way, it wasn't my intention to make you feel bad.

[red furnace]

Coming back to the actual discussion at the end: No, I don't see or just missed how players in the west perceived the game badly because of some beta player rebates.

[craggy zenith]

You missed quite a lot then tbf.

It was giving the game a negative look as the news spread. Mainly because people were getting confused on what a "paid" beta was. But any negativity is bad, even if some people didn't understand it fully.

[red furnace]

Obviously I saw a lot going on here. But I considered this the epicenter of the earthquake, not that it's shaking worldwide.

[white delta]

You just have to look for it if you want to see it, any video or thread about the topic will be full of complaints like this

[forest slate]

That the effect

[craggy zenith]

Yeh it was picking up steam. But also, think about how it would have evolved once the beta was out. Best to nip it in the bud now

[compact marsh]

Theories...

1 month of CBT (longer than the April CBT, but also, after the April CBT, there was a CBT with an NDA – their test server) or a little more.

CBT from the end of August to the end of September.

Found a bug, fixed it at runtime, and submitted it to the CBT to see if it was working. The CBT ended. So, 15 days later – 1 month later, 2 at worst – official launch.

[compact marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[tranquil maple]

Biggest takeaway here is that the devs listend

[woven forge]

The devs have nothing to do with this decision lol

[forest slate]

For now yes

[compact marsh]

They listened and did better than many asked (me included)

[red furnace]

Important point.

[craggy zenith]

Of course the devs do. Bokura will have made this decision

[woven forge]

The devs don't make corporate decision, they just code the game..

[tranquil maple]

I said devs in the general sense, whoever makes the decision listened.

[compact marsh]

is that here we generalize by saying dev when we actually mean Publisher and Devs 🤣

[craggy zenith]

"Devs" in the general sense

[woven forge]

"sure"

[gray zealot]

Theres no pvp

[craggy zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-gif-5621610198334958462

[forest slate]

Publisher and investor always going enter the chat XD

[red furnace]

Of course there are game designers who have a word in how the software is going to change.

[hazy shard]

is it just me or did you get less back if you spent more than $450 with the old rebate plan

[woven forge]

The rebate stuff was not hardcoded in game, it's a business thing

[red furnace]

But anyway, these game designers have to give the players more and not less, otherwise I won't see this as a positive sign.

[compact marsh]

the rebate now will be 1:1 ... no less no gain

[hazy shard]

yeah i see that

[proper mantle]

In the old rebate, you got more the higher your level ingame was

[hazy shard]

oh

man that was confusing to read

[elfin plover]

so that means maybe blue protocol release september - october 👀

[compact marsh]

october - november is my bet
the whole month of september will be the CBT

[forest slate]

They better skip October for a release

[elfin plover]

well we dont know. it says its not less than 10 days so maybe its just 10 days beta 👀

[compact marsh]

I wish the game would release before September so we could have a Halloween event (my favorite event in MMOs)

[elfin plover]

end of september would be good

[proper mantle]

Please let release be before November

[forest slate]

Yeah Halloween events are always fun in mmo's

[keen flint]

my guess remains mid oct

[compact marsh]

And it even makes sense to launch in October because October is the beginning of the 2nd Season of BPSR in China, so they can launch and rush just 1 season

[elfin plover]

so we have full housing with the release

[keen flint]

thats boldly assuming we wont be behind

[indigo sphinx]

messaging to keep the tab open

[prisma girder]

I haven't been keeping up with the rebate talk of the past few days. I'm assuming this announcement is a good thing?

[keen flint]

yer

[proper mantle]

Yes, the rebate is now 1:1 no bonus

[prisma girder]

Ah okay

[dry vector]

I just hope people actually spend money on this game. It is free to play so they have to make money somehow, or it will die. I have waited too long for this release to let it die.

You got what you wanted. Now, make sure you show support.

[red furnace]

This type of game tends to be rather profitable... Don't worry.

[craggy zenith]

I expect to see a $10,000 reciept from each player one week after launch, you included, or else you get a game wide ban. Only fair.

[prisma girder]

Sadly the problem with that is no matter what you as an individual does, if the general player base as a whole doesn't, then your contributions basically amount to nothing. Which further discourages contributions, since people will just assume it will die. It's the issue with MMOs in general.

that said, I think BP will do good since there's really no equivalent, so it fill a niche

[lofty minnow]

Good changes, hopefully i get to try the CBT. You gotta appreciate when a company acknowledges what people are unhappy about and changes it. See you in the game 😎

[fervent scaffold]

The official launch is not far away let's goooooo

[pale forge]

Let's gooo

[elfin plover]

october here we go

[woven pine]

I'm confused they said this but the twitter shows that you are still getting bonus for the rebate. Which I was kind of excited for lol... which way is it

[red furnace]

It's because the old, outdated post is quoted, it seems.

[craggy zenith]

They qouted the old post, which is confusing but, it is what it is lol

[woven pine]

I see. Ya I was like I just read on thing and then the post after contradicts it LOL

[dusky mirage]

I do agree with what others are saying. If you're planning on launching it soon after the test. You should just make the beta test be open to see how your servers handle so many players.

[peak cargo]

I find it hilarious that their next best solution was to give everyone nothing. But ultimately it was a "whatever" thing for me.

[undone hatch]

Their choice is actually alot more than that.

[compact marsh]

They also removed the Rebate announce from the site too

[brisk dune]

we’re not far from the official launch
👀 😍 👀 👀 😍 👀 👀 😍 👀
Lets gooooooo ❤️

Cant wait to touch the game instead of watching some streams from CN... Yet still its long wait 😄

[scarlet solar]

Hi i just found out about this game and wanted to sign up for the closed beta but cant find the survey. Am I missing it somewhere? Sorry if I am!

[compact marsh]

https://discord.gg/starresonance?event=1397791141939908669

[scarlet solar]

Thanks!

[compact marsh]

And Welcome! o/

[coral kiln]

wouldnt it be better for this to be more of a stress test then if its close to releasing?

[devout flint]

region LOCK. remove this. please.

[muted tulip]

I hope the company pays attention to LATAM, at least with subtitles in PT-BR/Spanish.

[robust tulip]

You're signing up for a nightmare with this change. How do you make sure everyone who saw the original info and signed up knows 100% about this change? Announcements in discord or anywhere else won't do it. Pop up in the store in cbt? I somehow doubt it. Also everyone "outraged" or "dismissing the game as p2w" already walked away and won't pay any attention to this change. So the reputation would only change for the minority few on this discord who were going to play anyway despite griping. Good luck with the feedback from the majority who won't even see this announcement and will be mad at the bait and switch they will find out at go live.

[peak cargo]

This thing so much does not matter that I bet not even 1% of the potential final playerbase of this game made any decisions regarding the game just off this thing.

[steep walrus]

The only way to get into CBT is by joining the discord in the first place. I doubt there are people who are getting into the CBT who won't see this

[peak cargo]

You have some screaming loud minority here, but the majority of the people who will ever play this game probably don't even know about the whole rebate thing to begin with,

[steep walrus]

Some of y'all sure are confident you'll get into the CBT 😂

[peak cargo]

Most of the players this game will ever get will come from the final 2 weeks before launch when all the streamers and social media announcements will start piling up about upcoming launch.

[steep walrus]

This change is for the best. Giving rebates in CBT so people will spend as much as possible is a bad sign that they're super money hungry from the start

[honest kindle]

If there’s no bonus or extra value given for spending during the CBT, what’s the point or benefit for players to participate in CBT with in-game purchases?

[dire shell]

none

there was a risk in investing before with a potential return, now there is no return

[honest kindle]

If there’s no extra benefit for spending in CBT, what’s the point？why not just run an open beta instead?

[dire shell]

should've just been am open beta unless they aren't confident in their servers or something who knows

[supple oasis]

HIghly disagree - the people that would be interested in CBT would know about this change since joining the discord is literally a step in the sign up process

[dire shell]

that was the best solution, open beta with everyone who spends gets a return

[steep walrus]

Now you don't have to feel like you have to spend immediately. It's a win imo

[supple oasis]

it is most definitely a win - the consumer gets to decide on their own whether or not to spend money lol

[honest kindle]

Don’t be like Chinese servers

[dire shell]

the best way to not seem so "predatory" is to remove p2w and costume gacha but that won't happen

[supple oasis]

I dont think costume gacha is predatory if it doesn't give beneficial gain other than looking nice

[steep walrus]

I just wanna play the game and see if it's fun, now no FOMO

[honest kindle]

Sever Crashed for 3 days at the beginning of opening

[steep walrus]

You know if their CBT showed signs before launch?

[honest kindle]

This game is already a P2W game

[honest kindle]

They limited access to the CBT. Nothing happened until they open public

That’s why I highly suggest they do an open beta to test the server

[steep walrus]

Global is a different beast too. People connecting from all over the world

[supple oasis]

I agree its odd to stress test with a CBT but they definitely want to hear our feedback and have time to apply it before official launch

[honest kindle]

Instead doing a CBT, also this game is already a P2W game. If they really want to run a CBT, they should at least offer some rebates or perks for regular players who don’t spend money.

[peak cargo]

I think it still has value, because you get to "feel" the value of what you buy.

For example some cosmetics may be disappointing, or pulling for imagines might not be worth the money spent or some packs may give you trash mats that are easy to get anyway.

The value here is that you still can save on launch because you got the basic idea what is worth the $$ and what not

[scarlet stirrup]

As long as the extra boost is gone I'm more comfortable

[peak cargo]

I'll definitely spend 500 or so $$ on CBT if I get in.

[undone hatch]

People will spend money on companies that offer good faith.

[peak cargo]

Just for the discovery process. It might save a few bucks on launch because I'll get to know what to avoid.

[peak cargo]

I have 0 faith in Tencent. But I don't mind paying for entertainment.

[robust tulip]

Lol. You think they applied and then kept notifications on??? Hahaha the % who ever came back to discord is probably tiny.

[peak cargo]

If this game goes belly up three months down the road, I won't cry over 1k or so I'll spend on it.

Because I had fun these 2-3 months.

[honest kindle]

That true. Tencent is the company that wants every dime from you

[peak cargo]

Yes and I hope they will keep their greed in check at least for the first season.

[undone hatch]

Better Tencent then SG :dogkek:

[supple oasis]

We can argue speculation all we want - there are so many factors on which we can change to fit our narrative.

What they have done to correct that issue you mentioned is to remove the announcements on their socials and their official website on which most people would view.

[robust tulip]

I'm amused this is believed to quell any claims against the game. A cbt with true currency is unnecessary other than greed. Rebate or not. What are these arguments? At least rebate meant people would get something back for investing in a game that might not come out.

[supple oasis]

This whole "no one checks discord" and "once someone views website once, they wont view it again" is speculation and is different for every person here. Anecdotal evidence is not enough

[supple oasis]

Yeah, the people who invested don't lose their currency on official launch. That is an even playing field - why do people need to get more for investing early in a free to play game during a testing phase that limited people get access to?

[robust tulip]

I said good luck to the publisher. You guys decided to reply to me. I deal with IT communications for a job, I know how many people don't bother reading and then are upset. And this involves people's money so upset is underplaying it. I am NOT the one who will have to clean up this mess, neither are you.

[supple oasis]

So the reputation would only change for the minority few on this discord who were going to play anyway despite griping. Good luck with the feedback from the majority who won't even see this announcement and will be mad at the bait and switch they will find out at go live.

From your initial message it seems you're just projecting your thoughts onto the masses. I believe they made this change because majority feedback asked for it and I would believe most people are in agreement with this change.

[robust tulip]

Why do people get to pay way less for BG3 full deluxe perks because they bought during early access? Because they took a risk that the game may never come out and early access is all they'd get. Duh. It's still a risk.

[supple oasis]

So to play "doomer" is unproductive imo - not exactly good feedback.

[supple oasis]

The difference here is that ANYONE could buy it at ANY time before release.

CBT is CLOSED access - only SELECT FEW people get it

The main issue that people had with the rebate is that it benefitted only the people who actually got access to CBT. I even mentioned this in a message i sent earlier today - Western gamers like even-playing fields.

[robust tulip]

That's your opinion. I think based on % of players in general that engage with a publisher, the people posting here are a minority. It's a logical conclusion. You don't have to agree, publisher can feel free to ignore my feedback if their numbers show otherwise. You don't need to white knight every feedback that doesn't agree with your views.

You all assumed that not everyone that applies would get in. That's your assumption with no data.

[supple oasis]

I'd be surprised if everyone got into a CBT who applies. They did mention they would invite more people as the CBT went on

[robust tulip]

Good luck to the publisher. My feedback is in and I see no reason for me to spend during cbt with this structure. Good day!

[supple oasis]

I'm not exactly white-knighting anything - ive agreed and disagreed to different sentiments mentioned here.

@robust tulip it involves people's money that people haven't spent yet. your argument doesn't make sense lol but have a good day

[white delta]

didn't read the whole conversation but you shouldn't feel compelled to spend on a beta test so this sounds like a good thing :)

[flint edge]

and you all laughed at me!

[flint hawk]

I would like to see Russian localization in the game !

[compact marsh]

Okay, good luck spending on skins during the official launch, regretting it, and not being able to do anything about it 🙂 or spending unconditionally on meaningless things and not being able to do anything about it...

Spending on the CBT with a 100% refund chance is the best opportunity to test skins and skin models and see which one you like best...

Of course, this is for those who think about spending right on the 1st of the official release

[upbeat sequoia]

I'm still for the opportunity to make the CBT an OBT only to avoid the situation that happened in CN. I think a CBT would be fine, but if it's for stress testing the servers (and I assumed the CN CBT was supposed to do the same thing), how do we know that history won't repeat itself? I mean I'd probably play anyway and get through the first couple days, but do we really need another potential review bomb from the servers getting obliterated at launch.

[high escarp]

i haven't read much past the inital announcement today but so far it seems like the main reason we have a closed beta is because it would be unfair for phone users not being able to get in without opening the servers completely? or did CN also have beta open for phones? regardless im happy to see that they are listening to some extent

[flint edge]

joins 7 days ago, complains about something he never knew existed, leaves

what they're supposed to do during CBTs is give out free cash shop money so people can test those as well. But its not a make or break deal or anything

[compact marsh]

Exactly!
I also agree... some CBTs (like Tarisland) give us some Premium Coins every week so we can test the store for free...

But also, the way it is now, it's great for me. They test how they want, and I test how I want (I see which skins I like best, I test the mounts, and everything...)

[timber hemlock]

Back in my days we were getting paid to join CBT 🙃

[manic finch]

is that a joke

[craggy zenith]

I got paid to test games in CBT a few times, but we're talking like 20 years ago or something. Can't say I've seen it recently.

[flint edge]

did warframe give me anything for CBT testing i wonder

ironic cuz now im in the soulframe cbt

[pure jungle]

Lato Vandal

[flint edge]

i guess but its available to all now

i never bought the founder's set because i didnt like excal

[pure jungle]

Yeah other than paying for that we’re kinda cooked for CBT rewards lol

[raw stump]

Does anyone know if cbt will have a mega server or will it be split among regions?

[flint edge]

it feels like if they're doing a mega server for release, then the cbt will also be megaserver

[craggy zenith]

(was asking about seperate servers for regions)

[raw stump]

I think I read somewhere up there that the A Plus staff mention mega server for cbt

[flint edge]

its honestly just easier

[raw stump]

Oh the wording is not clear. Does that mean cbt will be mega server?

[flint tree]

quick update: for the CBT it is on a single node which is located in NA-East.

[flint edge]

and megaservers are futureproof

[craggy zenith]

Do you know if all goes well the release megaserver will still have regional nodes? Or can't say atm.

[raw stump]

Yeahhh so weird. I only asked cuz people are saying one thing and another interpreting it for another

[flint tree]

I'm not sure about that yet, I'll try to get more information post release

But I imagine it would be another regional node for EU

That way NA/EU can switch seamlessly

[craggy zenith]

That would be fantastic. Fingers crossed. Will be a big selling point for the game if all goes well.

[raw stump]

So cbt will have separate regional nodes? Or the launch will?

[craggy zenith]

Scroll up, was explained.

[flint tree]

(This is just a separate thought here) but on the AGS test that we had a while back it was located only on na-east as well and EU players had no issues

[raw stump]

I just want clarification because he’s talking about nodes now. Not sure what’s that about

[craggy zenith]

Nice, either or works for me tbh. I'm happy to sacrifice a bit of ping if it's not even noticeable to play with everyone.

I think China has shown us that, high ping is fine.

[flint tree]

CBT is only na-east right now

[flint edge]

wormhole technology shortens the lengths of cables

[elfin plover]

but eu is allowed to play in it?

[flint tree]

yes

[flint edge]

considering its Steam and the other storefronts that have the region block, I wonder if they'll even bother applying a IP block for the CBT

[raw stump]

I’m not the only one that’s confused by the wording.

[craggy zenith]

It's not that confusing. Megaserver = no separate server selection for regions. Megaserver will be based in NA-East for the beta. Potential for the megaserver to have regional nodes for release connected seemlessly together.

[raw stump]

What are regional nodes?

I didn’t understand that part.

[flint edge]

structure wise Megaservers aren't any different from how things are normally set it. Its an organizational difference so we dont have to deal with things like "full servers" and login queues

[craggy zenith]

You'd basically connect to an EU server that is connected to the megaserver for better latency, with seemless switching between an NA server. All theoretical of cause.

[flint edge]

the issue is transitioning an existing game to megaservers... FF14 still hasn't figured that out

[craggy zenith]

Luckily base BP had the functionality, along with SR now in China.

[raw stump]

Are you talking the mobile or regular game?

[flint edge]

regular, most mobile games i assume use megaserver tech

[raw stump]

Ah gotcha. Finally understand it now

This is the first game where I heard of mega server being a thing

[flint tree]

sorry if it sounds a bit complicated, but yeah usually games have separate servers

[raw stump]

The explanation was so confusing in the beginning

[flint tree]

if there are two nodes like NA east and EU west

its combined into ONE server

that would be like a megaserver

you dont select a server at start or anything like that

like if I played FF i'd be able to choose a datacenter

this technology combines two different datacenters (NA and EU)

[raw stump]

Ah so the game chooses for you.

[flint edge]

yes, all our data is being hosted on one giant server, regardless of where you live. When you connect to a game, the closest node server to you will pull your information from the megaserver and connect with you the player

with regular servers, your information is stored on whatever server you registered on. It never leaves that server, and you can't interact with other servers.

[raw stump]

How would in game daily reset time revolve around this.

When there’s two nodes

[flint edge]

it'll choose for you, but it won't outright block you. For example BP will likely try to put you in channels with people in your local region, but I'm sure you can go to any other channel you'd like

[flint tree]

👍

[craggy zenith]

Good question. We'll have to see.

[flint edge]

megaserver gives a message to all servers telling them its reset time

[raw stump]

Oh that makes more sense. Thanks for explanation

[flint edge]

the reset time is gonna be the same moment world wide im sure

so like it might be midnight EST, but 9 pm PST

[craggy zenith]

I'm more curious about how the set timed stuff works, like the raid bosses happening in the evening in China time.

[flint tree]

might be node based

[flint edge]

how does warframe do it

[craggy zenith]

True for launch, wonder about the beta. Maybe just more instances of it accross a longer time frame?

[flint edge]

oh right they just have total chaos. Wake up babe, its 4 am but Vor is giving out a free gold potato for the next 30 minutes

[craggy zenith]

Well, all things smarter people than me can hopefully sort out XD

[flint edge]

they'll probably just have a fair schedule balanced all around

i know PSO2 had more events in the evening... which actually screwed over non americans

talking about the global release

clearly didnt matter for japan

[craggy zenith]

Yeh, they eventually sorted it in NGS by just having the urgent quests / raids happen a set twoish hours constantly.

[flint edge]

yeah thats probably ideal

cuz again megaservers cater to everyone equally so its important to have zero bias

[scarlet stirrup]

NA....EAST you say?

You're spoiling me

[dire shell]

Based

[fluid monolith]

wouldnt it make sense to see if an EU node in that Mega server actualy feels like an EU server for EU ppl? Cause a NA node should still feel like a 100+ ms server to EU ppl regardless no?

[peak cargo]

Of course it would, I have my big doubts about the whole "megaserver" thing.

No matter how many mitigations are in place, in the end having 150ms will be felt one way or another.

I hope they have enough of a sense to have EU nodes in this "megaserver" at least, to fix that.

[flint edge]

its not about connectivity, its about organization. Everyone's data is stored in the same server, but your actual online experience will occur in a server of your choosing (likely one thats closest to you). Many MMOs have added megaservers later on, but they're a bit backwards

it might possible take EU players a bit longer to log in, but that's only because the megaserver is sending its data to your local server and the ping is higher than elsewhere

[peak cargo]

The obvious problem with that comes in MMO part where you're dealing with shared experience like a raid. In the end the actual raid encounter is ran on a specific node.

[flint edge]

but if you were raiding with international people, then you'd still face the issue of latency regardless

[peak cargo]

Not entirely true, because with regional servers you have SLA you can assume - for example you can assume that EU players playing on EU server will be within 100ms range give or take a bit.

But if the game choses one global server, that goes off the window.

[flint edge]

no there will still be local, country/regional servers

you will be connecting to your local EU server

[peak cargo]

Yes, but if the raid is mixed - where the actual encounter plays out?

Because it won't be on each every relevant node. It will be one node for boss mechanics.

That's my problem.

[flint edge]

at least you have the option to have a mixed raid here. I don't know that answer, you'll likely only connect to local people unless you have a premade

[peak cargo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flint edge]

wakarimasen lol

[peak cargo]

NANIIII?????!!

[hexed matrix]

And the main question. How to play?

[peak cargo]

If you will have access you will get informed mid-August.

[hexed matrix]

Thanks ❤️

[peak cargo]

Do be sure to apply for CBT, ofc.

[boreal hazel]

I feel like, this game is going to live and die by:

P2W (Pay for convenience is P2W)

Number of cosmetics and their prices (look at Mecha Break negative reviews)

End-game content (if there is no PvP, there needs to be an expansive end-game PvE scene, or people will leave like New World)

Depth of class mastery (can we stop with these multi-weapon swaps forcing people to multi class and making the classes feel shallow by only adding a handful of abilities per weapon)

Finally SERVER NET CODE AND STABILITY

[hot widget]

It's a PVE game. P2W is for games with PvP where gear gives an advantage in combat vs other players. I could care less about it in a PvE game as most often those whales will be carrying people who need the extra help through content.

[peak cargo]

This will live or die by the content they offer.

Everything else in the list needs to be exceptionally bad to tank the game, like exceptionally bad P2W, exceptionally bad stability and so on.

P2W in PvE MMO matters a ton. MMOs are all about character progression, and swiping that progression up breaks the fun for many. People will handle mild-to-average P2W, if the content is good and comes fast, but anything more than that and it will die too.

[elfin plover]

Not the problem for the f2p players. If you wanna rush content cause of your money. Its your problem if you dont have to do anything after a week

[pure plover]

New here. As far as I understand it, P2W can very well be for PVE games too. If you have to pay for convenience or to "win" (aka buying stuff from the item shop that makes you better than other players), it's considered P2W and it can absolutely happen in games where PvP isn't a thing.

[exotic finch]

P2W in PvE games is literally just Pay2HaveLessContent

[vagrant solar]

Honestly I don't truly care if you can swipe to progress in the game faster in PVE. I do think, like Yaen just said, it will remove a lot of content to go through as you progress much faster and you will be without things to do quicker like Senichiro said but it truly doesn't affect free to players in any way. This will all depend on how grindy it gets for F2P as well

[keen flint]

..you won't "progress faster" when the timegates are in place so any f2p player can keep up.

[fluid monolith]

guess no one here played Lost Ark, or Tarisland

[peak cargo]

People are delulu

Or grossly inexperienced and on copium

[fresh sinew]

will the game be available in all regions?

[sterile bough]

I'm a little confused. What is the topic for this thread? Because I think We lost that.

[proper mantle]

they couldn't help themselves, that dastardly P2W was giving them nightmares

[sterile bough]

I mean I get that. If the currency was just a "both ways changable" thing, I think everyone would be happy and this would really be the perfect game. The thing is, is there a chance that we can change that? Will the Team and A+ Staff look at this too? Not if this thread is in pieces at least 🙁 I'm not happy with the P2W either. I think the currency thing would be the best way to get around this. Gacha could stay, Imaginn Gacha could stay, if people just have the feeling and opportunity to "Farm it" it they choose, of cash it.

And I also think that doing a "poll" on that Thematic would show how many are unhappy with that and would wish that the currency exchange was at least a two way street. much more acceptable..

[white delta]

It already is a two way street, not sure what you mean

[proper mantle]

I feel like there is a chance it can change, but i think its mainly gonna depend on what cn playebase thinks of it. Imo I think even if we made changes to it there's always gonna be a certain majority who will still complain or disagree with said change. we already saw how other reacted towards the rebate

In a perfect world we could achieve a perfect game but as of now, there are many who just want a game to cater to whatever they want

[sterile bough]

you can only change your rose orbs to money, you can not change your money back to rose orbs.

[white delta]

It's unbound rose orbs -> unbound luno
And unbound luno -> bound rose orbs
People aren't just generating money out of the void, someone has to put up their luno for you to buy it.

[sterile bough]

yeah, be that as it may if that is how it is, but people want it to be interchangable. You if you can change it like this:

unbound rose orbs -> unbound luno
unbound luno -> bound rose orbs

People want more this:
unbound rose orbs <-> unbound luno
unbound luno <-> bound rose orbs

Or to be honest more like:

every currency <-> every currency

But the second one would at least be more fair.

[white delta]

But how are we relating this to p2w/imagine gacha etc? all the p2w stuff is purchased with bound rose orbs. It makes 0 difference in p2w if you change it.

[sterile bough]

if every currency can be exchanged for every currency, like in the "best case" Example, then you could farm your rose orbs. I hate these "bound" and "Unbound" things anyway to be honest. Just have Luno and Rose orbs and make them both interchangable...

[white delta]

imo, it would just enable people to treat it as a stock market and buy it for the sake of waiting for the price to go up so they can resell it.

as it stands, the only thing you can't "farm" is the cosmetics/cosmetic gacha, which is fair to me (you can also buy the gacha costumes from the market)

[woven forge]

I read a lot people saying there is no P2W cause it's a PVE game. Of course there is no Pvp but p2w can apply to PVE games as well. Most of you may not be competitive but I assure you there can be as much competition in a PVE game.

[proper mantle]

Im one of those people who say that.

I consider a game p2w if it lets me complete content other players can never do due to them getting left behind in strength and gear/The time between how fast you can progress without paying and with paying is too big or if it gives me an advantage you can't get unless you pay for.

Since this game has no leaderboard, pvp, and is time gated causes me to believe that this game isn't p2w in a sense that it would ruin the game for anyone playing f2p nvm I changed my mind

I also think this thread should be closed since there is no longer any information being provided about the cbt or rebate and the thread is being used to talk about other issues that belong in #1372619888304197743

[peak cargo]

Just for the record, if the game would have leaderboards, and would have content that requires whaling - then you would consider it P2W?

It's a yes/no question.

No need to type out an article.

[proper mantle]

leaderboards I dont care about
But if I cant beat content without paying out of pocket for premium loot and I I'm practically forced to do dailies, and be stuck on the easier stuff that don't even yield the materials I need

Im a slow typer bro

[peak cargo]

Good, hold that thought.

[proper mantle]

im cooked arent I

[peak cargo]

It will be a fun time in retrospective.

[proper mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-you-fuck-fucj-cat-gif-19883595

[boreal hazel]

First of all, you guys don't have to be rude lol, they asked for feedback in the post, some of us wanted to provide it. Your opinions on our concerns are not relevant @peak cargo and @proper mantle because you are not the devs, you are not anyone, the comments are not for you, but you decided to insert yourselves into others concerns because of your ego.

[peak cargo]

🍿

[boreal hazel]

The point is, some of us DO care about that stuff, and it will affect if those people play the game. Whether you do or don't is irrelevant.

[peak cargo]

Who u is, braddah?

[proper mantle]

I dont know how i was being rude, all i was doing was adding my opinion

AnD also

[boreal hazel]

Anyway, I am not someone to argue, I will let you both continue to play up your "superiority" or whatever. Have fun.

[peak cargo]

Search your feelings, my young padawan. It's okay to have a natural discussion, no need to cosplay as a mod here. Someone said something, others responded - conversation happens... now you necro that literally 2 hours after we were done.

Because everyone totally needed to hear your take about me and that other guy bad.

[boreal hazel]

I have a job lol, only just saw your comment. And you are the one who literally did he exact thing you are criticising me for rn

[peak cargo]

You literally just went up and spammed this place with nonsense, take your own advice buddy.

[proper mantle]

Condemns us for having a ego while blatantly showing theirs and being toxic

[peak cargo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[boreal hazel]

Alright lol, just saying, when players are giving honest feedback, maybe dont "cosplay as mods" and insert your completely irrelevant takes on their feedback. cause no one cares. Blocked

[peak cargo]

We gave plenty of honest feedback too. It just sometimes happens that you discuss adjacent topic, naturally. Is that a problem for you?

Braddah comes out and starts shooting all over the place over a 15 mins convo two hours ago.

[proper mantle]

Oh no @peak cargo we've been blocked 😢

[peak cargo]

I don't know what I'm going to do now, man.

[proper mantle]

I think i might just leave the server 🥺

[peak cargo]

[indigo sphinx]

Try to be a little more respectful please. You should be directing the feedback towards the developers and pubisher, and not slinging back and forth comments to each other.

[pulsar path]

How do get to the close beta?

[coarse fern]

fill out the survey and wait :3 if u get selected then you‘ll get a mail on 15.08-20.08
and wrong channel btw xD

[coral scarab]

Hi could you add also the Open World Event Games for Players, like Hide&Seek and Volley ball and more, JPBP was looking forward to implement but sadly it shut down. It would be really nice to the players who is in the city just been afk. It improve the community gameplay so more player can interact with each other. 🇯🇵

[pulsar path]

Oh my bad sorry about that

[long laurel]

hear me out, Assassin class that uses chains and a kusarigama

[graceful rain]

thats new compared to its always daggers

[ocean tiger]

ikr

[flint hawk]

I would like Russian localization for Russian players, there are quite a lot of Russian players not only in Russia but also in Europe

[peak cargo]

NANIII???!

[flint edge]

Kunai with chain?