homestead

[lofty atlas]

mathematically ofc

[spring rapids]

Yes but you don't have 2 bad letters

[lofty atlas]

I would if I rebreed it is what im saying with an unideal target

[spring rapids]

Why would u use an unideal target

The parent can be any flower with double recessive for the missing purple variable

[lofty atlas]

right and it would have a different letter with a dominant or else it would be the near perfect one...

how are we still talking in circles

my point is I dont want 2 dominants even across different letters

which is the likely outcome of your method

if I have a completely unknown seed, which flower has the higher odd of hitting a black flower,
ccddEeff <- the one im trying to get to with my method
or ccddEeFf < the flower you're arguing for/keep talking about

[spring rapids]

Why the fak would u ask about an unknown seed at this point

[lofty atlas]

cause neither of those parent results are black flowers either

[spring rapids]

You HAVE A PURPLE FLOWER

[lofty atlas]

theyre just a step to the black flowers

thats my point im trying to make a better purple flower

not a mediocre gambling purple flower

[spring rapids]

Ur using 3 of the same parent

I'm saying make your parents not parents, save one for making more if u want

[lofty atlas]

yeah and im saying ill make my parents, not parents, when they have a flower worth taking genes from, which they dont currently

[spring rapids]

You don't need a better purple, it can't get better, better is black

U won't get a better one by using them as parents

[lofty atlas]

well it actually can get better otherwise these 3 are the same exact flower regardless of the color in the purple tier, but yeah

I see the point you're trying to make but its not the point you're actually making

[spring rapids]

If they, at the fully grown state have double dominant

If ur stuck at this point ur better off isolating them and making a new field to find any flower, even blue tier with a double recessive in your purples variable slot

[lofty atlas]

well yes they actually can cause if a seed I buy from the npc for example
CcDdEeFf even, there's still a 1/16 chance it becomes ccddEeff with the parent. which I can then just use as is (I wouldn't know its Ee, it'd be E_ to me as a child but its as simple as putting it in a new plot, breeding a new flower and getting any color ee combination to KNOW that it's Ee). And because the best possible outcome is it comes as close to its parent as possible (hopefully without bricking) I can eventually make the parent ccddEeff as well and have 2 of them to try to get black flowers, which is likelier than the 1/16 again (which youd have to test, again anyways to make sure it isnt actually an EE before you breed multiple generations of bricks)

[spring rapids]

If you plant a new flower, C_D_E_F and it's parent has EE this is why u brick yourself

You don't need to check 16 times, you just need to replant your parent by a flower with ee, which you will be more likely to get by planting fresh flowers In a block without your current parents

[lofty atlas]

you're not planting CDEF, that was a mere example, you're planting a seed you have no clue what it is

it could be ccddeeff by default, it coule be ccDDEEFF, it could be CcddEEff

if they were all predetermined to be C_D_E_F_ the only flowers that would exist would be red flowers, recessives wouldnt exist. since 2 C nothing flowers would give you CC. That proves that the seeds are randomized on spawn, you could honestly probably hit black flowers with 0 pollination off just growing it alone unless they specifically made it so you cant

that'd just be a simple 1/2^8

[spring rapids]

I was under the impression seeds were default red C_D_E_F_ unless in another life cycle

I don't understand discords text edits why does it randomly do that

[lofty atlas]

no clue thats why I \ before every discord syntax to exclude it

idk after this batch i can just test to see if theyre all default red

if any grown alone is not red, theyre definitely full random

idk i just assumed the likeliest was red cause its not hard to have a red flower, its the most common outcome cause you only need 1 dominant to hide any recessive

[rigid oxide]

Based on my and others experiences I am pretty sure the new seeds are AaBb CcDdEeFf

[lofty atlas]

oh they always start as such?

[random dune]

1 black flower down, 9 to go 🥶

[spring rapids]

Omg doma we agreed on something

[rigid oxide]

yeah which is why they always appear as red if grown by themselves.

[spring rapids]

[rigid oxide]

99% ofthe way there

[lofty atlas]

i was thinking itd be even harder cause my example assumes a certain outcome and it could be AABBCCDDeeFF which wouldnt help me. If anything that just makes my odds actually better

[random dune]

10 % om

[lofty atlas]

cause the 1/16 was assuming I hit that seed combination, if it starts as that its higher than having to hit the seed combo and then the 1/16

[spring rapids]

Did u already pick it up?

[random dune]

no

[spring rapids]

Then ur 99% there

[random dune]

i put it in the middle with 4 things around it

prayge

[rigid oxide]

also since you two are here, speculation is that tulips can pollinate hydrangeas. The only reason I say speculation is because someone said that they got a black hydrangea just by planting it by itself. But visually this looks like it worked (all were fresh seeds).

[spring rapids]

Awesome

I hope I can grow some soon, but am about to add more ppl to my house who will wna grow flowers for the achievement

[lofty atlas]

o LOL

thats kinda fire

[random dune]

1/10 i can smell my paragon armband soon om

🐐

[spring rapids]

Then u can farm 1% cosmetics drops for ur next gold trophy

Lmk if u need a tank/DPS I need all of em still

I did get a weapon for tank tho

[random dune]

is it 10 for paragon or 9, if 9, i only need luno one, rep or black flower, if 10 i need all 3 om

shadow set is like paragon rank 2

[spring rapids]

10 irc

Ye

Assuming u don't have the 80 gatcha trophy

[random dune]

p2w

xD

:[

[spring rapids]

I don't have it either

3M is fast if u don't care about actually making money

Cheer up treats sell 50k a pop

Then u just buy apples

And cycle them

[rigid oxide]

while im talking about hydrangeas, ill give the rest of the stats:
12 hour growth time with advanced fertilizer with 2 manual waters (~8hours in and ~10-12 hours in) 20 hours with just advanced fertilizer and watering.
Average ~6.5 flowers per harvest.
Full max setup (20 fields with max price purple) is 21,090 homestead coins (after cost of fertilizers).

[spring rapids]

Only undercut the 100 stacks for sale by a little

[rigid oxide]

so real strat if the hydrangea pollinating off tulip is true, is to get a aabb ccddE_ff (preferably EE) tulip and pollinate hydrangeas on that.

[lofty atlas]

you dont really lose money either for the most part

its neutral or like a minor loss at worst unless you dont have pass I guess

which would be the main diff

[spring rapids]

Sometimes u do a little, I didn't have the pass at first do now tho

Depending on apple sales

[lofty atlas]

oh ive just always sold back at max price

never had any issues selling

i dont bother undercutting

[spring rapids]

Fair enough

I was impatient and undercut

[lofty atlas]

so I spend about 48.7k per craft, 20 focus worth is about 1.8k luno (cargo value roughly), so if you profit 50.5k you're getting your 'value'

i guess that was loose calculation done with lvl 1 mats though, currently its about like 160-200 focus on any given day barring fishing for it completely to max out a cargo, which gives you 18k luno. Thats better than most focus/cost conversions of items in the market. For example Glowshrooms and Umu fruit avg 12.2 per harvest, at 150 each avg thats 1.83k luno. in guild cargo on +50% thats about 2k cargo or 1.8k luno value. When market is bad cargo is better, when its not theyre roughly the same anyways after listing + fee

off topic in this channel but just wanted to mention that, I think a lot of ppl think selling is a lot more profitable than it is and kind of ignore cargo value, a better example wouldve been in lvl 1 days when berries/shrooms often went down to like 64-72, with an avg gather of 14.1. Thats 958 luno, or 1.7k cargo which is about 1500 luno worth of resources

[spring rapids]

Does cargo give unbound luno?

[lofty atlas]

yep

[spring rapids]

I usually try to do the highest profit option but never paid close attention to it

I only looked at guild tokens

[lofty atlas]

fair, i just mathed it out for myself cause I was weighing focus for self and buy off market to donate, or focus for cargo and use the 'saved' luno to buy what i need from market without having to craft it myself

im prob also going to reset my entire field tmrw cause i think im losing track of all my flowers anyways

im not sure i actually actively remember which one made which atm cause i kinda moved some around

[spring rapids]

Shouldn't rly need to keep track of more than 3

[lofty atlas]

Also wait if we know all flowers are

AaBb CcDdEeFf as a new seed and lets say we have an AABB ccddeeff middle flower

since u cant collect the black flower to check

is the play just to shuffle the black flower each time you get a new one?

hoping it gets closer to aabb

just move 1/4 to middle and then collect the others, make a new generation and then harvest those to check if it improves from AABB

[rigid oxide]

i mean cant get worse than AABB so might as well lmao

[lofty atlas]

yeah I just dont know how you would know once you actually get there for the highest odds LOL

cause you might just have an AaBb but you cant check

I guess log collection ratios and mathematically check? realistically if its 2 AaBbs every black flower you get is just straight up AA/Aa/Aa/aa so 1/4 of every black flower would be perfect, if its more than that you have a better parent or good rng, if its worse you prob have an AABB still, AaBB, or AABb

cause otherwise if u got lucky and swapped an aabb in, every AaBb/aabb combination should be getting you half perfect gathers

I guess the solution to that is to not keep AABBs to start but I kinda just want my black flowers now

[spring rapids]

Domas method actually probably works best for finding A/B ratios. I don't think I'm gna even try to isolate a recessive black ab for a while

[lofty atlas]

fair i guess theyre not even that far apart

just as long as its not actually a full AABB cause that has the highest coin dropoff

[spring rapids]

Is there a spreadsheet I can look at with the ab Genes included?

There's probably a path I can find for each of them

[lofty atlas]

its doma's spreadsheet just gotta look at the ab separately before going into the color combo

dont think there's one that does all at once

[spring rapids]

Oh ab is the left side derp

Im about to be mad I looked and asked

Ok nvm

[lofty atlas]

ye its not that bad

[spring rapids]

I thought my first random black flower that I picked was aabb

[lofty atlas]

lol

[spring rapids]

I was about to lose my mind

It was A_bb tho

Still might have been

Usable anyway

Rn I think I have A_B_ and an aaB_

What do u do to cancel these

Slash at the start of msg?

[rigid oxide]

\ _ no space

[spring rapids]

Thx

[lofty atlas]

Ayo nice bot

[rigid oxide]

lmao they moved onto kai, instead of elon musk

[rigid oxide]

yeah, another black hydrangea off of the black tulip

[urban mist]

How can I throw away seeds? I have too many

[flint spindle]

Plant them. Then recycle the field patch

[dark shuttle]

its true ?

[frank leaf]

they are too far from middle one

must be within 1 tile

[devout dawn]

Game says I can have 12 flower plots. How do I get the next 4 I unlocked?

[dark shuttle]

How close do I need to get?

0,2 or 0,3?

like a perfect square?

[frank leaf]

it just needs to be within 1 tile of center, cant be a perfect square

[dark shuttle]

So let me zoom in to make it a perfect square, like it's shifted by 2 out of 10, so that distance gets closer by 2, right?

[frank leaf]

what are you talking about its not that deep just put the fields like half a square

[lucid coyote]

hello! i was wondering how the inviting people to join homestead works :0 like do you just get access to each other's homestead? also do you share a certain amount of storage space?

[ocean hamlet]

Sounds like you hit Homestead lvl 2, so they should be in your mail.

[ocean hamlet]

The invited person shares the host's homestead while their own goes into stasis. The two's commissions give exp to the host's homestead and they share flower plots and furniture.

They also get some shared storage for select, Weaving, Culinary and Alchemy crafts.

[lucid coyote]

Ohh I see thank you!! Are the commission rewards shared or is it if one person completes commission then the other person also gets the rewards?

[ocean hamlet]

Only the homestead exp is shared. The item rewards go to whoever completed it.

[upper kelp]

Is any of these flowers black?~ I am sorry, i am colorblind and the example i saw isnt really... clear x3

[tawny ore]

fellow colorblind person! none are black! :D

[upper kelp]

Thank you! x3 It is a time lmao

[golden tartan]

how do you get rid of tulips

in your inventory

jk got it

[quasi wyvern]

yea have to recycle the plot

[idle patio]

Hmmm it seems to look like so...

[rigid oxide]

yes

[idle depot]

I wish the black actually was ... Y'know... Black because I can't flippin tell whats supposed to be black or if I even have black tulips - I kept any that resembled purple

[ocean hamlet]

I've finally hit the life skill levels where I can start making decent furniture

[somber granite]

hi chat what rarity is this

i think it's trash but my eyes don't work good

[rigid oxide]

probably green

[somber granite]

oki ty c:

[idle depot]

Ty so much because I was lost

[tribal dirge]

Guess im done with the achiev ^^

[arctic scaffold]

can you increase interior house space

[ocean hamlet]

As your Homestead levels up, you'll get a quest to increase the interior space vertically.

[keen kayak]

I suppose this one should be "good enough" to start the cross pollination journey?

[random dune]

2/10

[nova prairie]

what's the point of the outdoor homestead upgrades if we can't place any furniture out in the expanded areas?...

[bronze yew]

Outer decor

[nova prairie]

I mean those places are there without the upgrades. I feel like I wasted 120k on nothing

[cyan lily]

wanna check these are white and not the "muted" color that I should be looking for, can anyone confirm or deny? thank youu!!

[random dune]

camera and go to time freeze and move the lighting

yours looks white but check the lighting in camera to make sure

[cyan lily]

ooh, you're totally right, tysm for the tip - will be using this c:

[round dock]

can someone tell me which plants should i buy and how to set my field

i cant understand the maxroll guide

[jaunty crescent]

is this a black flower?

or is that like white or something

[rigid oxide]

black

[jaunty crescent]

🎉

[random dune]

1 down now rest is easy , other 9

🫡

[restive beacon]

icl i watched the vid

and got a brain aneurysm

[blazing ice]

LF > x1 Roommate for Homestead. 4/5 currently

[tame zodiac]

is this it? or am I tripping?

[feral totem]

is this a black flower?

[quick igloo]

(please make the editor less random tyvm xD)

[tidal relic]

what level homestead is this

[quick igloo]

6

[rigid oxide]

yes

[rigid oxide]

yes

[random dune]

Black flower gaming

Got 1 today from random and 1 from pollenating next to a black flower

[feral totem]

thanks

[random dune]

Make sure you dont pick it, let it pollen others

[feral totem]

yes, i placed it in the middle

[random dune]

Pollenating is really op frfr

i need more plots though, 5 more black flowers and i wont be able to grow more

almost lvl 3 homestead

[west orbit]

How do I use pollen?

[cursive mirage]

wth, planting black flower in this game feel like

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[random dune]

bro for ppl without roommates , is the only ton exp for homestead only commissions ? these crafts give peanuts

[glacial relic]

So... From the essay over. Pollination is by seeding plots adjacent to an already flowered plot, and then they might end up sharing color?

[woeful moth]

I need help with these roses

I am brain dead to understand the flower thingy

[rigid oxide]

Two flowers planted at the same time will pollinate off of each other (if they both go through pollination stage at the end of growing at the same time).
They will both change their genes based on 50% themselves, 50% the other's genes.

A setup like below, all 4 pollinate off the center fully grown flower.
The fully grown flower stays the same, and the child flowers gain 50% of their genes from the fully grown flower (rest from themselves).

[floral oyster]

its animal crossing all over again

🤯

[dense mica]

well a lot of black flowers!

[upper kelp]

Are these the black ones???

Im colorblind v.v

[dense mica]

the one to the right i think is

next to your char

[upper kelp]

Yaaaaaa Yippie!

Thank you

[dense mica]

don't harvest it

place it in the middle

and win

[upper kelp]

Yessir

[random dune]

Nerf roommate, they op, ppl already lvl 6 😏

[vagrant quarry]

right one black?

i'll just assume it is

[obtuse pelican]

Alright, my last 16 roses have all appeared with A_B_ C_D_E_F_ genetics. I'm struggling to see how its supposed to be even possible that every flower have displayed a dominant trait in all their genes. There should be a (1-0.25)^128 chance of that happening. In other words, there was a 0.0000000000000102% chance of that happening. I did not get this issue with tulips.

Have anyone else experienced this?

Could there be more factors at play affecting the genetic randomness of roses?
For example; A hard-coded increased chance of getting dominant traits in newly planted roses.

(Side note, all fields were separated 2 grid spaces apart to avoid pollination)

[rigid oxide]

All flowers are AaBb CcDdEeFf by default (from shop). Only through pollination can they actually develop recessive traits.

[obtuse pelican]

Ahh, that explains it. Thanks!

[north solar]

yes

[random dune]

Idk why but after getting like 4 black tulips, I decided to do roses now, what's wrong with me

[dim lichen]

Is having the homestead storage shared with other people in the homestead worth it? Some people say it’s not worth

[north solar]

it's worth if those other people are your alt accounts and have different lifeskills than you

[verbal bough]

Is there a way to clear off tulip seeds or sort this or something... Having to hold alt and slide past a ton, for every rose plant = tiresome

[north solar]

plant, recycle field

[candid cloud]

About Homestead:

• Can I plant other Botany lifeskill plants in my field?
• Put some spices on the field that I can eventually use for my Culinary lifeskill?
• Will there be trees with bees that I can plant so I can get honey?
• Will there be an option to dig down and maybe find some kind of Ore or gem that I can use for my mineralogy and gemology lifeskill?

Or is there nothing from the homestead that is translatable or transferable into the main game? I do not want to be rude or bad-mouth homestead, but I would really just like to genuinely know what are its full capabilities and benefits for the min game, cause right now all I have been doing is planting flowers and building up a flower field and increasing my homestead coins,
I prefer to be a minimalist, so my house in homestead is good in my book.
So yea, am I missing something or?
I just really want to understand the endgame of Homestead that will be related to the main game

[ocean hamlet]

Homesteads have no strong ties to progression atm. They won't have a large impact on the main game. Their purpose seems to be decorative outside of a few achievements and limited item sharing.

[north solar]

no, no, no and no

homestead is in early alpha, nothing relevant in there other than the few seasonal challenges

[unkempt oasis]

when black isn't black 😔

[ocean hamlet]

I crafted a few of the Moss-Covered Old Slate from Gemcraft. Despite being called a tile, they have no special functionality when placed next to each other on the ground.

However, when exploring the old battlefield with the ruined golem, I saw a familiar looking wall and realized something similar to this tile was being used on its side--so I tried that.

It looks much better. I have two overlaid right here and it looks seamless. I'm going to use this to create at least a partial wall around and within my Homestead area.

[mortal sigil]

is there a guide on black flowers?

[ocean hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBWSTHAvS0g

[mortal sigil]

ahh my people

T_T appreciated

[mortal sigil]

"just know that i am praying for you"

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-sadism-suffering-happy-pin-kiv-gif-19470753

[deft ridge]

is the center one black? lol

why does it have to be so hard to spot

[carmine crow]

is this black or not it's so hard to see lol

[fathom quail]

hi guys, i need help with the breeding, i have a purple flower aabbccddeeF_ y have have put it by its own fully grown with new seeds around it for pollination, but it keeps growing the same as the middle own (aabbccddeeF_), what do i have to do now?

[jaunty crescent]

might be wrong but isn't it supposed to be a little bit more darker / bluish

[mortal sigil]

bluish grey

thats the goal color

[mortal sigil]

lol this black flower achievement is going to make me not want to garden IRL

[carmine crow]

you were right it's not

[jaunty crescent]

its mostly just plant it and forget it for 3 hours

I mean I can't say much because I gambled a black flower on the first batch 😭

🧑‍🌾

[mortal sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-face-nut-angry-gif-25106740

[random dune]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-peak-gray-grey-its-gray-gif-6023164898960775685

dev when making black flowers

they had 1 job

FFFF

[unkempt oasis]

yall like my black flowers ;D

[grand kayak]

Hello guys, we are supposed to have 12 field on lvl 2 right? I somehow lost one field by lowering it up and down so it went underground 😅 and i have no clue how to get it back now x.x anyone had similiar prob and know the solution for it 😇

P.s
When i try to use edit home stand its not showing it on the map at all, and its not in the storage either

[north solar]

can you select it with the box select tool?

[grand kayak]

That worked, thanks 🥰🥰

[north solar]

if anyone here wants to farm black flowers let me know

[quaint grotto]

Me! 😂

[north solar]

#4119170

[quaint grotto]

Thx

Added

[north solar]

gotta farm friendship 2 real quick then

[random dune]

only reason i dont have roommates right now is because i thought worst case scenario " they gonna pick my black flowers, then ill tilt" frfr🔥

[north solar]

thjey can't

[random dune]

[north solar]

only the person that planted them can harvest

[random dune]

i didnt know dat

👀

[limpid bay]

fr?

so if i always replant right after harvest my housemates cant ever plant flowers?

[north solar]

pretty sure that's how it works

[limpid bay]

feels kinda bad

[north solar]

others can only pollinate off of them

[warped canopy]

friends can only pick pollen out of flowers

[random dune]

so they only mooch off my black flowers ?

🤣

[warped canopy]

can smell but cant take

[random dune]

mmm then i gotta share fields with them, frick dat😏

[idle kelp]

hi!, this is a black tulip?

[random dune]

use the camera

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[idle kelp]

xD

[north solar]

yes

[random dune]

1 down , rest easy

[mystic aurora]

U guys already farm black flower?

[onyx stratus]

are these black

[random dune]

Look blue to me

[bright wren]

purple

black look greyish like the pics above

[onyx stratus]

ah

[onyx stratus]

are they rng or. a specific technoque to make black

[random dune]

change the lighting in camera

[ocean hamlet]

#homestead message
There's a specific technique

[onyx stratus]

ty

[ripe rapids]

is this for just hydrangeas by themselves or is this for cross pollinating?

[ripe rapids]

i think its fair for you to be the one to plant stuff since the homeowner has to foot the cost of all house upgrades, so at least u can make some coins back from flowers lol

[rigid oxide]

The homestead coin price? That assumes you have all max aabb ccddE_ff flowers (20 fields) and you just grow them isolated so that if it is Ee you don't ruin them by creating black flowers.

[ripe rapids]

oh yeah i meant for the coin price. i came here trying to see how much hydrangeas sell for over tulips and if it was worth swapping to hydrangeas. i dont really understand cross pollinating yet and it looks complicated

[random dune]

roses take like almost 5 times as long as tulips , better sell for 5x or more

[limpid bay]

yah but im not the homeowner and im hogging the flowers

thought i could plant and someone else could harvest, playing with 2 friends

[jaunty crescent]

does pollen spread like this 😭

[rigid oxide]

uh, just do 4. This can probably cause some wonky stuff with the sides being inside each other.

[random dune]

also my ocd, they aint even in the boxes xD

i got mine 1 space apart around middle

[woeful moth]

which of these 2 is a purple rarity?

[neon ocean]

Anybody got a cool house?

I couldn't care less about 4 plants placed in different designs tbh

[ocean hamlet]

This wall is built entirely out of the same tile being overlapped at different points.

[neon ocean]

Atleast it's not plants

Good job +1

[ocean hamlet]

Still grinding life skills to unlock furniture, but I plan to play around with housing designs in the future.

[lofty atlas]

damnit i keep getting unlucky

was using these 2 as base and still havent hit a black flower yet 4 generations in

i KNOW the _ are recessive though cause i bred them with each other when they were originally C_ddeeff and ccddE_ff which can only produce Cc or cc, and Ee or ee.

on the bright side on the 2 extra plots I managed to take their children and make better parents

so im working with this now

if i still dont hit its cursed

[lofty atlas]

isnt there like just the option of buying seeds everytime a black flower is created or is that worse on avg? cause you can replant around a black flower as much as you want from a new seed and most of the time itll just go up slowly? so you keep those seeds and they go up passively till they reach max value

theres also just the chance it doesnt turn black as well (50%) so you get that replant half the time

just dont know if the other 50% is hurt by the having to purchase new seed and starting with a fresh ABCD getting greens/blues that much

[rigid oxide]

Hydrangeas specifically their max sell price is aabb purples (E_ is 193 and F_ is 190).
Also black flowers in general are bad for price because you lose the seeds (child flowers reset back to greens/blues) + need to keep a black planted for pollination (less fields producing). With purples, every harvest is essentially the same, just harvest and replant.

[lofty atlas]

o fair

[rigid oxide]

So make sure you keep one of you aabb ccddEeff

[lofty atlas]

wtf why are those 2 so much higher LOL

[rigid oxide]

as you can make max hydrangeas with it.

[blissful wadi]

I really wanna learn this but my brain is like meep.

least i can make advance fertilzer though..so thats a plusi guess?

[zealous condor]

XD, dumbified version is just, plant flower, see purple, put purple in middle surrounded by 4 other (first gen doesnt matter too much), make sure purple one grows up before other 4. and repeat until black

if side ones stay green, delete seed and put new one

[idle patio]

Maybe i should use a spreadsheet to keep track of traits

I have no idea what I'm doing

[pallid brook]

if there is a will there is a way, if only they made furniture more easy to get or at least life skill crafting easy to level up

[wispy vortex]

hm...this doesn't look good

I don't have a second different purple flower, do I just leave this as is?

[rigid oxide]

how many times have they all been the same color?

If several cycles (4+) then you can just harvest, plant and recycle them all and re-place them with new seeds. Or wait for an rng purple in the other cross and compare the two. I would just recycle them all (that strat is kind of more for if you get another purple while still testing the first purple cross).

[left silo]

any black flowers here?

[rigid oxide]

nope 🙁

[left silo]

so just collect them all and replant right?

also so I need to replant recycle then plant or just harvest and replant?

[obsidian fern]

what color is this? isnt this A _ B _ ccddeeF_ ??

[rigid oxide]

If you have blues, re-plant them.
Move purples rarity out (if you have any which i don't think you do) let them regrow, and then move it to center.
recycle the greens.

[left silo]

one was blue which I replanted but the rest were green, so I harvest, plant, recycle then plant again with the green ones?

[rigid oxide]

yes and btw \ _ (no space) for multiple A_B_

yes

[wispy vortex]

two have been the same color for 2 gens, the other two for this gen only so far
If I recycle the cross, do I keep the middle flower or recycle the entire thing?

[obsidian fern]

yeah its Discord thingy i tried to underscore but it show like that lol

[rigid oxide]

entire thing because it will be stuck in the same position with the same parent.

[wispy vortex]

alright, thanks

[rigid oxide]

blues are 2 recessive color genes. Thats why we only re-plant them and don't move them to the middle, they have a decent chance at going purple (3 recessive).

[obsidian fern]

got it understood

[rigid oxide]

I'm going to make an even more simple guide probably tonight. Its more RNG but extremely simple. The simplified guide is probably faster with average luck but the guide will be brainless and quick. Where I only give the info that matters.

[visual otter]

how do I edit my homestead?

[rigid oxide]

H on desktop (not sure on mobile).

[visual otter]

oh

[left silo]

is this correct or?

[pulsar swan]

what even are the odds of a black flower pollinating a nearby flower into another black flower? ive gotten 3 out of ~15 gens and losing my mind...

[rigid oxide]

You are just simply harvesting and re-planting the child flowers right? not destroying them?

[pulsar swan]

oh...

i'm planting new batches every time...

so i just gotta replant instead? if so i'm glad i asked because otherwise i'd just keep doing new batches every time

[rigid oxide]

yeah, they eventually turn black, much more likely with every generation.

new batches every time is like a 1/16 chance of black. But for each gene that gets removed it goes 1/8, then 1/4 then 1/2.

[pulsar swan]

dang so i could be done by now

good to know though, will be handy for my roomies

[ancient lily]

replacing the farmland just to destroy seed gotta be 11/10 game design i swear to god

[rigid oxide]

Whole system is pretty buggy. Advanced fertilizer with normal fertilizer in the inventory is the worst.

[ancient lily]

yeah homesteed is super clunky

[rigid oxide]

There are 2 ways to accidentally apply normal fertilizer despite selecting to use advanced. One is a visual bug which swaps to blue after starting. The other it swaps to blue the last frame and applies it...

[ancient lily]

i just gave up just do raw seed now

i dont online that long

24 hrs cycle zzzzz

[rigid oxide]

yeah but hydrangeas with advanced fertilizer become a nice 20 hours with advanced (or 12 hours if you check it at 8 and 12 hours after planting).

[hasty oxide]

Can we use luno to buy furnitures and stuff?

[blissful wadi]

Oh. Doma are you the one who made the flower video then? .. I need to rewatch.. i need to get my homestead up so i can make lots of money with flowers

[left silo]

one was blue which I replanted but the rest were green, so I harvest, plant, recycle then plant again with the green ones? also does fertilizer or water affect it?

[rigid oxide]

Yes

[rigid oxide]

Yes, and the water/fertilizer only speeds it up the growth, so if you aren't going to be on for >5 hours you don't have to do either.

[left silo]

thanks. and if its ever purple I move it to a single side and if its black I put it in the middle of the 4 up down left and right?

[stark vale]

i just grew 2 black flowers off of my first one. can i move the new ones and plant new seeds around them to get more?

[rigid oxide]

purple rarities you move to the center as well. and just harvest/replant. Either you will end up with a black or all the same color. If after several generations (5+) of all the same flower, generally you can just destroy all and re-plant (unlucky).

[rigid oxide]

yeah just put the black flowers in the center of crosses and plant around. (keep replanting till child flowers are black).

[stark vale]

cool thanks!

[left silo]

holy this is soo annoying

[blissful wadi]

so we wanna only pick one flower up a time to see what it is right?

i had to start over cuz..yea they were all together and such

[rigid oxide]

yeah you always want to replant before harvesting another as well.

[blissful wadi]

and we're looking for the flower color right? when you get it? Mine i got was just green.

[rigid oxide]

The flower quality (green/blue/purple)

[blissful wadi]

i got nothing but green this time

XD

if we get nothing but green flowers recycle all the plots nad try again?

[rigid oxide]

yep, its usually provides better RNG.

[spare berry]

i need to recycle all right?

or i replanting white and yellow and recycle red?

[patent narwhal]

What does black even mean. Isnt it Gold?

[lofty atlas]

gold is the tier (legendary/background) black is the actual color of the flower

but it doesnt look black cause its a muted grey visually

also what do i do if i know my parents are aabbccddEeff but for multiple generations I straight up just cant hit a black flower

is that just unlucky

i keep getting more aabbccddE_ff flowers

[patent narwhal]

Ah thx

[lofty atlas]

and sometimes some of them are aabbC_ddE_ff flowers cause they failed at an earlier stage so they need multiple generations of wins to fix itself, idk if starting from a new seed is better though cause it's just 1/32 chance from a default seed

[patent narwhal]

So im doing 6x2 crops until i get a purple and then i put that purple in the middle and obly blue and purble around it and hope i get a black one? And delete any seeds that are green by destroying the crop.bdid i capture all of that right?

[noble bronze]

are these black?

[north solar]

no

[noble bronze]

kk ty

[lethal osprey]

Middle and south plots are black. For reference

[spare berry]

wait..
you guys not using rose? but tulip?

[patent narwhal]

Im thibking about starting wirh rose today. Will take longer but for future means it gives a more steady income with homesteed coins i guess? :o

[patent narwhal]

Oh looking forward to that

[main sigil]

surely the one in the middle is black right?

[rigid oxide]

yeah probably (can set the lighting to day in Camera -> settings -> enable time freeze -> then drag to middle). For more consistent colors.

[north solar]

Plots are open again

[rigid oxide]

yeah black

[main sigil]

thanks

[quaint grotto]

shiro the best!

[north solar]

[lofty atlas]

damnit I cant hit it

should be 1/4, and I guess if the babies are EE then i guess 1/2 to pollinate to Ee and then 1/4 to hit ee

but im losing all these flips

3rd generation after switching parents to bis parents (1 dominant in color only, 11 recessive genes), still no black flower yet, whats the math on that

[random dune]

first one is always the hardest, after, once you got 1 black flower, they spread like wild fire because the black one becomes the center

[mystic aurora]

Sharing homestead and adding a roomate. Is it good? If i do a quest on it will they also receive the rewards?

[austere dawn]

im curious on that as well , and how do you earn homestead coins as a roomie? i only see tulip pollens when harvesting?

[mystic aurora]

Also the plots is fixed i think

[jovial hemlock]

homestead quests give xp from each person who does them, you can only pick the flowers you plant urself otherwise you get pollen, and the plot numbers are fixed based on homestead level

or homestead commisions not quests

[brittle forge]

And the most important thing - Shared warehouse
Which is the only way to share consumable items with other characters

It's limited unless you pay up. But it will be mandatory for Cooks and Alchemists

[random dune]

i thought about getting room mates , but i dont wanna share soil with them 😂

[brittle forge]

Why not? Get your pants soiled together!

[lyric shoal]

I'm currently at this status. Middle ones are purple, blues are blue, and greens are greens. What do I do now? Keep the purple in the middle without harvesting it, and keep replanting the tiles around it til they all come out as purple aswell? (greens are recycled, blues are replanted)

And now that in the left cross I got another purple, do I keep replanting it, or keep it unharvested like the middle one?

Basically the question is, the seeds can only go upward in rarity with some luck, or can they go down a tier aswell? (e.g. the seed that gave a purple flower will yield a blue one in the next harvest)

[north solar]

you keep harvesting everything until you get black

water and fertilize the middle one

only water the rest

[lyric shoal]

Why is that?

Because it'll grow the fastest, and after that it'll affect the outcome of the still growing flowers around it?

[hybrid terrace]

Hello, sorry guys to many messages, confusing. Can someone please tell me why the black flowers? In short it would be helpful:) and also what's its use?

[rigid oxide]

watering and fertilizing the middle and watering the rest is the strat to also harvest the parent while still maintaining the parent (it grows before children reach pollination), but it takes time.

not really necessary

[lyric shoal]

I think I understand it now

We'll see in a few generations 😄

Once I get a Black Flower, the achievement is basically done because all I have to do is plant around it and harvest, right?

[rigid oxide]

yeah harvest then replant, eventually everything goes black

[mint rampart]

is this black flower?

[rigid oxide]

yes

[random dune]

been at 6 black flowers for 2 days sighhh, the purple and blue flowers just keep going purple rarity and blue rarity

how dare they defy me

[thin dome]

I'm unsure of the mechanic for farming black flowers ~ I planted tulips which weren't exactly a dark color, but they were purple rarity. So i used them as the middle of my cross. the first flowers I planted around them were all different colors, but none were dark-ish tones.

Do I keep going or just reset?

[velvet narwhal]

how do i get more field? i upgrade homesteed to lv2 but dont see any

[ocean hamlet]

They get mailed to you

[left silo]

any black or purple?

[random dune]

https://tenor.com/view/where's-waldo-gif-18081921529464170192

[wintry sundial]

should i harvest "C" or move it to "D"?

[woeful moth]

guys which of thse 5 is a purple tier flower?

[tall skiff]

Holy damn, idk how I managed to collect 10 of those today

The rng was with me

[left silo]

any black or purple?

[mystic aurora]

How did u do it?

Just plant and harvest?

[tall skiff]

I legit just randomly planted Tulips on my field as always, watered them and got 10 black ones today

[mystic aurora]

Damn. Did u use fertilizer or no?

[tall skiff]

Nope, none

[jaunty glade]

ae those the mythical black flowers gang

[tall skiff]

looks like it

[jaunty glade]

[north solar]

just keep doing it

[north solar]

just harvest it and you'll see, the purple one should be purple rarity I think

[north solar]

move it

[keen coyote]

Can I use black tulips to make black roses?

Idk if it’s a dumb question, pls no flame I’m not a botanist

[random dune]

i swear i did

cause i was mixing my beds with tulips and roses xD

true villain

[keen coyote]

this was a reply to me?

I guess I will test it to confirm!

[quaint grotto]

guys is that black ?

[safe hare]

So anyone else come across this wild bug in their commissions?

Ive never seen it ask for more than 16 of an item

[lyric shoal]

That is black, right?

[tall skiff]

looks like the black one

[quaint grotto]

thx

[lyric shoal]

They look brown-ish, nvm

[naive pivot]

LF active homesteads neighbors

[crisp marten]

how it feels planting flowers every 4 hours

[fossil portal]

I think this is normal as you don't need to use focus to loot this

[safe hare]

I hvent run across anything in the commissions that has needed focus on any of my 3 characters and I've had the home since it opened up. Ive had this specific item multiple times in my list but never more than 7 like all the other stones. And again 16 is the highest amount Ive seen it ask for. Having it ask for 10x the amount it normally does seems rather excessive and not intended

[burnt igloo]

Hi i need help is this black flower? the one my character is standing on? i'm sorry for asking as i'm a bit color blind

[random dune]

if the black flower, in the middle, made the other flower go purple rarity, do i just keep it next to the black flower and pray it goes black too ?😂

[north solar]

yes, that's how it works

[north solar]

can't tell with that yellow tint, doesn't look like it tho

[north solar]

no

[fathom quail]

hi guys, i need help with the breeding, i have a purple flower aabbccddeeF and i have put it by its own fully grown with new seeds around it for pollination, but it keeps growing the same as the middle own (aabbccddeeF), what do i have to do now?

[lofty atlas]

could be unlucky like me or you might have an aabbccddeeFF flower in which case u need to fix that

im starting to doubt my flowers are both aabbccddEeff though but they should be

cause im losing all the coin flips on breeding a black flower

or i guess in this case triangle dice rolls

[atomic raven]

Is it possible to get the black flowers achievement if youre only a roommate in a homestead?

[lethal osprey]

Yes. Just plant around their black flower. Or make your own if they allow you field space

[atomic raven]

Thank you!!

[thin dome]

The middle flower is purple rarity but not gray or black or different. keep or go with something else?

[hardy crag]

i have a purple tier flower, i'm waiting it to grow alone, once grewd, i put that field on the center right ? what should i do next ?

i'm so lost on this

[knotty ingot]

They need a better way to GET RID OF SEEDS. WHY DO I NEED TO PLANT it and then delete it? Let us resell seeds BACK to the vendor holy.

Simple QUALITY of Life.

Its either now i spend 10 hours deleting 99 seeds i bought because I thought the seeds would stack. Or give up and rng a black flower because thanks Devs.

Why are there no vendors to sell things to or resell items back to? This makes 0 sense. <@&1372169443110813706> please put in this suggestion. It is so tedious. I dont even know how to make a suggestion so sorry for the tag. But holy i have never been so stressed PLANTING FLOWERS. AND I HAVE OVER 2K HOURS AIN MOST life Sim games.

Sorry im done raging this system is ass.

[hardy smelt]

/feedback

[knotty ingot]

Oh thank you. Fate my hero

[lethal osprey]

Use purple flower as your new center

• water and fert the center
• only fert the surrounding plots. Don’t water them. The center needs to grow first

[solemn sinew]

is this black ? 🙏

[knotty ingot]

Looks blue to me lol idk xD

[hardy crag]

oh it's too late, i fert + water all of them already, purple one is growing alone and i'm going to put purple one in the center ofc ! my question is what do i do next... do i harvest around? keep the purple center one ? do i harvest center (and replant ofc) etc. ?

my goal is to get black flower of course

[knotty ingot]

What can I do to delete these stacks off 99 flowers before I actually stress myself out into a heart attack

Because deleting them is going so slow

[quasi wyvern]

deleting them

just keep recycling unfortunately

[knotty ingot]

Ugh.. who designed this

Who has never played a life Sim in their life it seems

https://tenor.com/view/rage-unleash-rage-gif-13249187

https://tenor.com/view/delete-gif-3520135

How long will it take to delete 99 stacks? I tried for 2 hours yesterday felt endless

[hardy crag]

maybe 15 to 20 minutes

i had like 28 and it went pretty fast actually

i think i took roughly 5min

i tried to be fast also

[knotty ingot]

Even with it going in and out of the home screen ?

Because you need to plant and renters home screen, recycle, replant and keep doing it lmfao

[hardy crag]

yes because you need to recycle them so you have no choice anyway to open home screen

[knotty ingot]

I hope they add a way to sell back seeds like in my suggestion the madness

[hardy crag]

yeah bad quality of life

Doma my goat of housing

[rigid oxide]

hoping s2 launches some QoL/social features for homestead

[knotty ingot]

Id pay Tom Nook prices to get a vendor

[hardy crag]

i watched your two videos

and i understood nothing with my low iq tier

[rigid oxide]

im about to nuke the 2nd video...

[hardy crag]

i just know that i have a purple tier flower now

i'm letting it grow alone till i put it back in the center

what do i do now

[rigid oxide]

Created a full simulator, and reverted back to extremely simple strategy with some improvements which probably get you a black flower at about the same rate if not faster.

2 crosses, 20 generations ~84% chance of getting a black flower.

[hardy crag]

wait 20 generations means 20 replant ?

[rigid oxide]

20 times managing them basically. No bs with recycling greens. Even less paying attention to rarities. Simplified the purple growths into same cycle.

Follows simple rules:
Look for black flowers.
Harvest -> replant everything, mark down Blues/purple (quality) location.
Move highest quality to center of current cross.
Destroy all seeds if they are all the same visual color.
Water and fertilize center. Only water the rest.

[hardy crag]

only watering those around that's huge advice thank you professor Doma

[knotty ingot]

Why dont you fertilize the other flowers?

[rigid oxide]

I debated including it in the simplified guide, but I didn't because I introduced too many other mechanics and tried to keep it more simple to avoid people accidentally messing up the centers.
But this strategy will be so simple and I'll make a visual guide so I don't think people will mess it up.

[quasi wyvern]

he simplified it so that when you get a rare in the center cross I believe

[rigid oxide]

Lets the center flower grow before pollination stages of other flowers, so it grows as it was (blue/purple rarity) instead of pollinating it and possibly getting a downgraded center.

[knotty ingot]

Ooo ok I see so you dont fertilizer rhe outside flowers at all

Let them naturally grow or once the middle is fully grown?

[rigid oxide]

it just delays them ~1hr, and flowers only pollinate on other flowers in pollination or fully grown. So the center flower thinks its by itself and no pollination. But the child flowers reach pollination later and see the fully grown.

[hardy crag]

what do i do after the purple tier flower that i let grew alone is back in the center? do i still harvest it and follow as you said ?

[rigid oxide]

In the guide I will probably say to do that, but so long as you know that the center is a fully grown purple then you can leave it grown. and water/fertilize children (for 1 hour faster generations).

[hardy crag]

okay so i don't harvest the purple in the center and i just leave it as it is right ? (sorry i'm not english native + low iq )

[knotty ingot]

Okay so i figured out imma use three dirt plies put them by where it respawns me whwn I go out of home and just spam 3 dirt plies til lall of these are deleted smfh

[rigid oxide]

yeah, then if they all become the same visual color then you just re-plant and recycle them all. Then start fresh again.

[hardy crag]

thank you flower professor, i'll remember your kindness

on my way to get black flowers

[knotty ingot]

so i managed to get all these light purple and the blue (purple rarity) should i replant alone till fully grown then try for black flower? I only say how I know that because these are the only ones from the picture that can spawn for this color under purple rarity flower that I saw lol @rigid oxide

[nova tiger]

How does one get the magic wrench?

[gritty vortex]

What's the point of homestead

[warm rain]

hi , what to do here ^^, need help

[hardy crag]

correct me if i'm wrong but, if green tier : plant, recycle, replant / if blue replant and if purple put it in center and fert + water it and just water the rest around

that's what i understood

[left silo]

any black?

[warm rain]

check pin to see black

[knotty ingot]

Why do I need to let the flower grow by itself before I put it on the middle?

If im watering and fertilizing just the middle and the flowers will take 5 hours to grow that arent being watered or fertilized?

[left silo]

any non black flower I am harvesting, planting, recyling the plot and putting new seeds, if that how its supposed to be?

[rigid oxide]

Did all of the light purples come from the same parent?

[knotty ingot]

No they did not

Not that I remember lol

I was just randomly putting flowers down and somehow got them all purple xD

[rigid oxide]

Honestly then, I would just place 4 light purples around a blue (fully grown).
Odds are high that you get a black.
If not, then if any stayed light purple, then they should be able to produce one given time.

[knotty ingot]

Do they have to be full flowers?

Or replant seeds?

[rigid oxide]

Light purples need to be replanted seeds, keep the blue fully grown.

[knotty ingot]

Ah okay, do keep them growing by themselves?

[rigid oxide]

Just grow them once like this. (fully grown blue in center light purples harvested and re-planted around it).
Then check for Black flowers.
If none:
check for any which visually match the Blue/Light purple flowers.
Take any of these Blue/Light purple and put them in the center of their own cross setup.

If no Blue/light purple flowers:
Unlucky, ask me again.

[knotty ingot]

Thank you so much ill set this up rn

[left silo]

any non black flower I am harvesting, planting, recyling the plot and putting new seeds, if that how its supposed to be?

[rigid oxide]

whats the setup?

what do you have and whats the goal?

[left silo]

I have 2 star set ups with 2 single tiles next to each toehr and the goal is 10 black flowers

[left silo]

this is the set up

[rigid oxide]

I'm putting together a visual guide for it now, but basically this:

#homestead message

[hardy crag]

oh btw @rigid oxide when purple is fully grown back in the center do you still recycle green tier one ? (those who are around the purple tier)

or you just replant even if it's green tier

[rigid oxide]

always just replant for black center, everything will move towards black eventually.

[dark shuttle]

When the rose matures, how can we tell which color is high quality and which one should we use as a mother flower?

[hardy crag]

thank you

[lyric shoal]

I had this cross, and somehow when I harvested them, the middle one yielded a blue flower instead of purple. How is that possible? They can downgrade? 😅

[rigid oxide]

did you plant them all at same time?
If you do you have to water + fertilize center. Then only water the outside.

[lyric shoal]

When I first got a purple flower, I replanted that tile, moved it aside, let it fully grow, then put it back in the middle of the cross and planted 4x seeds around it for a few generations

And since I'm going to sleep now, I harvested the middle one, so I can do what you just said, water + fertilize the center and only water the outside ones

But somehow the middle one gave a blue flower instead of a purple

[rigid oxide]

did you have excess seeds? Only real thing I can think of

[lyric shoal]

Nope, I deleted all of them before starting the process, and always planted & recycled the green ones

Now I moved the purple offspring to the middle, and have this setup:

The purple middles will grow up first and it'll pollinate the offsprings

So does that mean that the blue offsprings will either stay blue or get upgraded to purple, and the purples will stay purple guaranteed?

[hardy crag]

In my case i let my purple grew alone and put it back to the center, do i still have to put water only the others around ? (also you told me to leave my purple in the center for black flower so i guess i can fert them and it doesn't change anything right ?)

[rigid oxide]

When you harvest and re-plant the parent do this:

When its already grown, then do both water + fertilizer

[hardy crag]

ok so in my case i was right i can just water + fert it doesn't change anything thank you

i'll keep some fert as i'm going to sleep no need to fert

[rigid oxide]

yeah also you only really need fertilizer (except in the 1st case) if you are going to be harvesting in 3-4 hours instead of 4-5 hours (only speeds it up).

[hardy crag]

thank you Doma-sensei

[dark shuttle]

Why didn't you leave a space?

[dark shuttle]

Can you help me?

How should I collect them and what are the functions of the letters in the video on the flowers? How should I proceed to extract Black Harvest?

[keen kayak]

Space isn't required as long as theyre not too far away as in more than half a tile

I'm kinda wondering if the people here only go for blacks purely for the achievement? Since hoping to get all blacks isn't the most profitable way (after you got those 10 for the achievement)

[dark shuttle]

It was like this in the video. Do you think it's too far?

[keen kayak]

Or just plant the parent 30-45 minutes before others so it polinates when needed

[keen kayak]

It was not, too far in your picture

[dark shuttle]

Will she always remain stationary and not become a mother for life without touching her?

[keen kayak]

0.5 tile distance or less

[keen kayak]

Sorry, my translation device broke down, me no understand

[keen kayak]

Yes, that's better

[dark shuttle]

The middle one always remains. I didn't touch it until a better one came along. Do you think I should collect them all?

[keen kayak]

You're doing it right? I mean, it depends. I got a nice blue rose on my first try with perfect shape, so I put it in the middle

But I always harvest it because you can only manually polinate from it once

[keen kayak]

I do this cuz I got 16 tiles now, so I needed to use the mother pollen on other cross section

[hardy crag]

i don't understand, i have purple tier already in the center ? shoudn't i just harvest the flowers around only till i get black flower and then put it in center ?

[dark shuttle]

İ;:ĞŞ ökjmhş.The middle one always remains. I didn't touch it until a better one came along. Do you think I should collect them all?ŞİİİİİİİŞÇLÖL

[keen kayak]

Harvest and replant with fresh seed if it wasnt blue/purple

[dark shuttle]

,DETG"YHTGUJIĞİŞÜ,

[keen kayak]

You can choose not to touch the middle one

I'm harvesting the middle mother ones too because I still needed to know their shapes

Now besides the perfect blue I had from the start I got a perfect purple and a decent purple

And I'm still harvesting them all cuz I need those extra coins

[hardy crag]

oh ? i asked Doma and he said this "always just replant for black center, everything will move towards black eventually."

i asked if i still recycle green ones and said to just replant

[keen kayak]

I mean sure, until you get that black one. I didn't get even 1 yet

I'm pretty sure you can just replant them

[hardy crag]

i don't understand what should i do ? i'm on purple tier center one at the moment

should i still recycle green tier one ?

[keen kayak]

I'm recycling the one's that didn't "mutate"

🤣

[hardy crag]

[keen kayak]

Pretty sure you can just replant them a few times to see if they turn into something else

I only want the black ones for achievement and then I'll trash them

You can get more profit from selling purple ones and always get the seeds back so black isn't as profitable

[hardy crag]

Yes me too !

need achievement but i'll keep purple for golds

if i can

[dark shuttle]

How do we know which one is best?

[keen kayak]

Just check to get the better purple ones since rn my blue rose is more expensive than purple perfect forms at 87>81

[hardy crag]

you are right yes

[keen kayak]

There's an Excel table

[dark shuttle]

It is difficult to understand the codes and shapes there

[keen kayak]

Well, best shape is aabb

And then you just check selling prices, the best ones are at the bottom

[dark shuttle]

Can I plant the plant I collected and make it a mother?

[keen kayak]

Black rose is 100 but no seed, purple iirc is 95-98 and you get that seed back and replant

[dark shuttle]

What colors should I usually look for? Gray and white?

[keen kayak]

Yes, and you should if it's of decent quality

Idk, I got purple color (blue rarity) aabb rose right from the start so I kept it as mother

The one that sells for 87

[dark shuttle]

How do I get this back? seed

[keen kayak]

Today got a blue rose (purple rarity) that sells for 81, same form but sells for less than blue rarity lol

[keen kayak]

Black don't give back seeds

[dark shuttle]

Ok, is there a chance to pull this back and make it a mother? If it's done, I can always get a black rose.

[keen kayak]

If you see the plant grew into a black one, you put it into the center, WITHOUT harvesting it

Wdym pull it back?

Hope to get another black now

[dark shuttle]

If I plant it back, is there such a mechanism that the mother can plant it again? Can the collected material be planted again?

[keen kayak]

You should now know how it looks color wise on the screen before harvesting it

[dark shuttle]

hmm

[keen kayak]

You can't plant a flower, only the seed. Black flowers don't give seeds back when you harvest them

So you can not replant once harvested

[dark shuttle]

Can you list the valuable colors for me? I will keep them according to their value.

[keen kayak]

There's already a link to the table where it's all written, its in the video

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/htmlview

[random dune]

this purple rarity flower refuses to go black near my black flower

[keen kayak]

At least you have purple

It took me 3 days just to start getting them

[random dune]

i got 7 blacks atm

other purples refuse

how dare they deny me

[keen kayak]

Lucky. Roses or tulips?

[random dune]

mix of both

[keen kayak]

Roses take so long

[random dune]

roses only worth growing if you log on, do bare min and log off

[keen kayak]

I can harvest roses twice a day

[random dune]

i really should do all tul

[keen kayak]

[random dune]

but the reason im doing roses is because im not homestead 4 , so i grow blacks too fast ill have 0 soil left to grow more

[keen kayak]

I'll get the blacks eventually, I bothered more to get the perfect shape and then raise the rarity

Now I got 16 tiles so it should progress faster

Hopefully I'll get a more profitable purple in the morning

[random dune]

yea once you get your first one , you get others pretty quick, problem is that first purple rarity flower

[rigid oxide]

Sorry been working on the braindead visual guide: (feedback please).

[iron umbra]

black flower sanity check 🛐

[rigid oxide]

looks like 2. (based on center flower you got super lucky).

[random dune]

omega lucky wtf

went through like a year of luck

[rigid oxide]

2 1/256 chances at best.

[keen kayak]

I'm still color blind

I literally had roses of same color and they were not black

😂

[iron umbra]

Ty, guess I will be living in the shadow hunter cosmetic prison to average it out 💀

[keen kayak]

Hopefully I'll get lucky today after reaching lvl4

[keen kayak]

I saw those pictures

Was hesitant to harvest, harvested, got seed back, went to cry in a corner

🤣

At least it was purple rarity

[idle patio]

I need homestead design ideas

[keen kayak]

In your pictures the black tulips are more grayish while others show here somehow more bluish

[rigid oxide]

No shadows helps show the full unfiltered color. The shadows kind of trick our eyes into a bit more bluish.

Also a lot of people post pictures and don't adjust the camera to directly noon.

Oh yeah forgot to add that in the braindead guide

oh actually I did.

[random dune]

i think tulips are wayy easier to tell than roses

this is noon

yea wth why are black roses freaking glowing in light compared to tulips

[brazen rose]

i hope they make black flowers actually black

[unkempt kelp]

are these the black flowers?

they look gray enough to me idk

the other 4 were 2 greens and these 2 on the prints

[sudden dock]

yup, das black

compared to mine just to be sure

[unkempt kelp]

bro this was the 3rd round

i only had a non perfect blue seed LOL

"You can optionally replant the blue/purple rarity flowers not pictured above next to new seeds."

i saw this and replanted at the middle and it gave black lmaoooooo

now i just keep these 2 at the middle and harvest the others for the achievement?

[sudden dock]

yup

after I grab my last one I just don't touch flower anymore so the left side cross of mine still empty xd

[unkempt kelp]

i had one of these, got lucky as fuck

think it was n.7

[coarse shell]

These 2 middle ones are black correct? It looks the same color to me as in pinned

[unkempt kelp]

looks like it, but wait more ppl to tell ya, since i just found mine 2 blacks lmao

[wispy vortex]

Watering/Fertilizing stuff only accelerates the growth process and doesnt change anything related to genes, right?

[unkempt kelp]

yep

[pliant valley]

Anyone need friend for homestead? Please add me

[mint osprey]

guys I hit "Recycle" on a relocated Flowerfield instead of "Save" and it's gone apparently

can i get it back somehow?

[coarse shell]

nope

[random dune]

O7

[north solar]

just place it again, like any other furniture

[golden tartan]

is this a black flower

please

[rigid oxide]

Loses the seed, but fields are under Field in H menu.

[golden tartan]

T__T its beeen 4 days

[rigid oxide]

yes

[golden tartan]

THANKGOD

so do i just

harvest everything around it

and put it in the middle

[rigid oxide]

yep

and harvest and replant till black

[golden tartan]

tysm!

does it matter the rarity of the flowers aroudn it

do i buy new seeds

or replant the blue / purples around it

@rigid oxide

[rigid oxide]

consider keeping purples for homestead coins/later breeding for max homestead coins, but any blues/greens just throw around it.

[mint osprey]

thank you!

[mint osprey]

do you know how I can get ridd of my tulips/tulip seeds i havent planted yet?

I don't see them in the inventory

[rigid oxide]

You have to plant them in a field, then recycle the field and re-place the field. (removes 1 seed at a time).

[mint osprey]

on dang i see thanks

[pallid brook]

update of homestead since last

[dire cape]

so pretty!

[unkempt kelp]

cutee

[carmine crow]

black ?? finally ??

[zealous estuary]

Put the black flowers in the middle of white flowers or the other way around put 4 black flowers in the middle of a white flower

🤌🏿

[north solar]

yes

[random dune]

pepew i need lvl 4 homestead, why is commission the only thing that actually really gives exp

🔥

[pallid brook]

finding roommateswho are active or as into homestead be difficult

[arctic scaffold]

do u have to increase island size before being able to do interior size?

[north solar]

offer them black flowers and they will come flying

[north solar]

you should get both quests at the same time once you hit level 3

and then you just have to do the turn in

[arctic scaffold]

maybe i handed it in already but my interior space is still the same

do i have to edit it to add more or something

[north solar]

I don't know I've never entered my house

[random dune]

8/12 black flowers , im running out of plots lmfao

[dense gate]

are these black flower or my eye is fooling me ?

[random dune]

2 are

[nova gale]

Why i cant store items on my friends home?

[dense gate]

can you help me again please to double check because to me all 3 look the same ?

[nova gale]

all of those are black

[random dune]

front 3 are 100 % black, back one looks blue but could be the lighting

[nova gale]

i mean ofc the blue one isnt black

all of those 3 lol

[zealous estuary]

Try to pick them, if no seed then it is a black flower.

[fervent temple]

i have no idea how the whole flower system works, how do i get black flowers for the achievement? any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

[pallid brook]

some one sugar daddy or mummy me homestead coins so i can decorate the other 2 floors

think im done for now dead as broke

[brisk moth]

I didn;t even know you could decorate inside

shiet maybe I start decorating tomorrow

[fervent temple]

this is a black flower right?

[rigid oxide]

yes

[fervent temple]

ty!

[keen coyote]

Hello

if I have a blackflower in the middle of the cross

do I have to keep replacing seeds that come out green around it?

[rigid oxide]

No, just keep replanting them. They will eventually turn black.

[keen coyote]

awesome thank you

is the seed replacing only for when you're trying to get a black flower?

[rigid oxide]

Yes originally it was, however I did a lot more testing and found a much simpler way to do it, and in writing a simulator I realized that the difference that removing the greens did in the first place probably wasn't worth the time. I'm working on the video guide now but this is the basic visual guide with some optimizations left out from the 2 guides. (I know it probably doesn't affect you anymore but re-posting for the channel).

[lethal osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989150643732226058/1430753353599553586/SPOILER_flowermaxxing.mp4?ex=68faec65&is=68f99ae5&hm=22fe8f2995e7451bff463dbfde2a98ba3a69ea1669b74d1ff6207bb490da77ef&

[rigid oxide]

holy

[knotty ingot]

Is this black?

Have I won boys

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[rigid oxide]

looks like it

[knotty ingot]

God damn

[lethal osprey]

Did you see the new customizable pub area for our homesteads?

In the new Season 2 teaser

They kind of cooked.

[rigid oxide]

been working on the visual guide + video. I saw some screenshots where it showed the flower icon when looking at the flowerbeds though...

🙏

maybe when I stop flowermaxxing and start coin printing, I can look at the other 90% of the stuff to do with homestead lmao

[mental gate]

hi! anyone here familiar with black flowers/roses?

[velvet narwhal]

gotta be the prettiest homesteed i see so far

[mental gate]

are these black?

[pallid brook]

thanks 🙂

[rigid oxide]

unfortunately no

[mental gate]

oh bummer, time to kill them all

[velvet narwhal]

what's best flower to grow for black? i been planting tulip only

[mental gate]

yea fastest

[rigid oxide]

Tulip, fastest growth time. and you can transfer to rose/hydrangea later.

[knotty ingot]

😮 wait so if I have a black tulip I can transfer it to a rose and it turns black

[rigid oxide]

You can eventually make black roses, yes.

via pollination

[knotty ingot]

Ahhh cool

Ty for the help I never thought id see a black flower

Omfg

I cant stop staring at it in amazement and dread. Its like I just birthed a baby and im exhausted

LMFAO

I put the black flower in the corner with the seed lay out and planted some seeds with it. Tucked it away like a damn baby. Hopefully i get more purple flowers from blue one i still habe to make some more of these bad boys

[brisk bronze]

Is there a better guide for black flowers or only the maxroll one?

[rigid oxide]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1427278353336893561/1430789498983157810/visual_guide.png?ex=68fb0e0f&is=68f9bc8f&hm=3a2bebf8e9dd551d3e2364932c86508dd030acf702516b430fffe8bcf64251a8

[knotty ingot]

Doma doesnt realize they have single handly saved everyone's sanity with their flower guides

😭

[rigid oxide]

I also nuked it by making a "simple" guide then running a bunch of sims and finding a much better "simple guide" 🤷‍♂️

(twice) lmao

[knotty ingot]

LOL Rome wasn't built in a day its okay

Lmfaoo

[rigid oxide]

First video was for the fellow autists, second video was rushed to help the people asking me why they needed a phd to understand the first. Next should be good (surely).

[carmine crow]

Am I doing this correctly? I just got another black so I put it on my 2nd cross

[north solar]

yes

[carmine crow]

do I need to keep doing this forever or ???

[north solar]

I mean, what is your goal

[carmine crow]

well the thing is after I get the trophy I still have no clue what to do with it

homestead isn't my thing

what's the benefit here

[north solar]

then stop

there's no benefit right now

except for decorating

well maybe buying materials

but that's about it

[carmine crow]

is the black one best for selling ?

[north solar]

no

[carmine crow]

[north solar]

doesn't sell for the highest amount and you have to rebuy seeds each time

[carmine crow]

ig people only doing it either for decorating and trophy then?

[north solar]

yes

[rigid oxide]

Good homestead coin income means never needing to buy basic crafting stuff with luno

[carmine crow]

[lilac musk]

but it also means that your shorting yourself on the xp you would've gotten if you gathered or crafted it yourself

[carmine crow]

and what's the best way to earn homestead ? selling these flowers?

like others colors?

[daring rapids]

weekly friendship point store has a weekly limit of homestead coin bags

and doing the homestead commissions

[carmine crow]

oh no I won't doing that I want to buy cosmetics from there

[daring rapids]

friendship store has cosmetics? : O

ngl i never looked past the first 3 things in that store

[carmine crow]

yes ! and really good looking at that

[daring rapids]

oooo im gonna check it tmr

tyty

[rigid oxide]

Developing good flowers can bring in 10-40k coins per day (lvl 5 homestead + a lot of setup).

[daring rapids]

dang so much

flowers sound like the hardest mech this game has though

[rigid oxide]

can always just get lucky and get a good purple tulip

[carmine crow]

when you say good flowers do you mean I have to start breeding them like what I've seen on youtube?

[rigid oxide]

yeah, for max, unless you get super lucky. But there are some moderate ones which would bring in a decent amount.

[daring rapids]

o-one day

im gonna figure out

the flower genetics

[rigid oxide]

even a decent blue rarity can bring in ~75% of that income.

[daring rapids]

sheeesh

before i figure it out

ill just

plant random flower seeds

and pray for rng

[rigid oxide]

Maybe i'll just create a chart of the ones worth keeping and give a % efficiency to them for people to identify. Some blues are probably decently common and worth much more than most purples (for hydrangea specifically).

[keen kayak]

I think you wrote too many zeros here xD

I usually get like 3-5 roses per tile so thats like 250-400 luno times 16 makes it 5~6k on lvl4

If I grind hard enough to manage 2 harvests a day that would be above 10k but then you'll need x2 fertilizers each tile so -1600 coins

[keen dirge]

Got my achievement done and I'm ready to help out my friends and guildies. Ultra black flower set up

[rigid oxide]

20 hydrangea fields, 193 per. 6.5 average (12h growth so 2x a day). = 51,180 - 8000 (adv fertilizer) = 43180 coins

it does require being logged in at specific times to get the 12h growth, but yeah i didn't add any 0s

[hardy crag]

if i get this, do i recycle those with same color or not ? (purple one is on the center and is same color as left and top)

@rigid oxide sensei

[rigid oxide]

did that just fresh grow?

or did you move it?

[muted spear]

when u add someone as your roommate, can the roommate collect your flower?

[rigid oxide]

you can't collect theirs, but you can join and plant/replant around their black flower until you get 10.

[hardy crag]

i did as in your video, i had a purple tier on the cross field (by harvesting it and replant it), i put that purple tier alone to grow back alone then put it back in the center (i'm not harvesting it anymore as you said) + i'm just harvesting around now and replant it even tho it's green tier
I just saw that i had two blues (same as the center one) so what should i do ?

[rigid oxide]

so these are blue rarity?

or just blue as in color?

[hardy crag]

no it's just blue color, i didn't harvest them yet i don't wanna do something that i regret

[rigid oxide]

Ok but was that blue flower in the center when this was all growing and fully grown/grew before the child flowers?

sorry just trying to fully understand to make sure you are primed.

[hardy crag]

blue flower in center is purple tier and was fully grown alone and put back in that cross field

[hardy crag]

no i'm sorry for bothering you everytime

[rigid oxide]

before the surrounding ones grow? or did you just swap it now?

[hardy crag]

yes before the surrounding ones grow

[rigid oxide]

Ok harvest a one of the blues and make sure its a purple (seems like slightly in between the blue/purple rarity on my screen).

[hardy crag]

i replanted around yesterday after i put that purple tier in the center yes

okay one of the bluess around right ? never touch the center unless i get black flower around yes ?

[rigid oxide]

yeah leave center it can make a black as long as it is purple rarity.

[hardy crag]

okay i harvested the left one, and it was a purple tier one

[rigid oxide]

ok you are good on that cross. If you want you can move the light blue to the center of another cross. It should also be able to make a black.

[hardy crag]

oh nice, this one right ?

[rigid oxide]

yeah

[hardy crag]

by what do i replace it ? a full fresh field ?

[rigid oxide]

no, you can just move it to another center of a cross don't replace it.