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#questions-and-help
strange furnace
pure nacelle
before this week
pine salmon
I believe those could drop from unstables
raven zealot
And yet the market would sometime have hundreds
strange furnace
And yet the market would sometime have hundreds
HUNDREDS
I woke up one day and saw 1k
pure nacelle
The issue was the rate of refill
raven zealot
Yeah, you sometimes see a few on sale
strange furnace
On the market of them.
still jasper
How bad is the build
pine salmon
You do realize a 0.5% drop rate on 20k unstable rolls is 100 drops
pine salmon
it's almost like people are doing unstables at reset
pure nacelle
pine salmon
how do you play an MMO and deny the existence of other players
raven zealot
There are not 20k unstable runs on reset
pure nacelle
you do not have this type of graph
raven zealot
We don’t have the players lol
pure nacelle
okay ill present to you a scenario
100 listed
i buy out
an hour later
100 more are listed
do you propose that we are farming 100/mm's per hour and the demand is also 100/mm's per hour
still jasper
How bad is the build
@waxen fossil
pure nacelle
because after the first days the demand wouldve crashed for mm's
you do not need that many mech shards to refine to 23
so why are mm's consistent at 100
raven zealot
Or how do you explain hundreds of modules being listed day 1 after all the player dropped ones got bought out
Must be alts opening chests again right
All those alts running stimen 1-50 (or whatever)
pure nacelle
there is some level of dev injection to tempt whales into spending
pine salmon
okay ill present to you a scenario
100 listed
i buy out
an hour later
100 more ...
Way, way more than 100 Meteorite Mech Shards were farmed per hour
Tons of players saved and dumped focus on ores, plus a bunch of blue ores pre-farmed and pre-bought
pure nacelle
you could not use those ores
raven zealot
We’re talking about when they couldn’t be made
pure nacelle
to craft shards
raven zealot
The recipe was literally locked
pure nacelle
a huge complaint was "why is fast powder" locked still
raven zealot
I remember doing refine 23 day 2 and having to brute force with no meteorite shards
Then day 3 they started getting printed
hallow sedge
Then day 3 they started getting printed
ya my 67 alts started selling it. my bad for being late i was visiting my uncle santa
raven zealot
literally you could not craft met mech shards
Nah bro there’s tens of thousands of alts being played and they’re all dropping it from unstable
Which is all being run at the same time and the drops being listed at the same time and posted at the same time by the system
waxen fossil
How bad is the build
its a bit rough from what i can tell yeah
generally you might want to consider doing some of the current hard mode dungeons, at least to get some more gold gear and reforge stones
im not a bp myself so im not too sure about specifics, so it might be worth going to https://discord.com/channels/594431022188331008/1429746901183496212 and asking there. my awareness of the the two specs boils down to: Disso wants luck, crit and int/atksp; Concerto wants crit, haste and int
hope that helps
still jasper
its a bit rough from what i can tell yeah
generally you might want to consider d...
Ty
pine salmon
Nah bro there’s tens of thousands of alts being played and they’re all dropping ...
If you're the devs, you probably always want your swipers to be able to swipe, which means you could certainly have an "infinite injection backstop" for things like Mist Chests and Gold Modules.
Starforges I doubt. Refines I doubt. There are just too many players with too much of those in their bags.
Tbh I dunno for Meteorite Mech Shards before they were craftable, but right now I think the volume is all players.
Injecting Wills and Imagine materials mostly helps f2p, because p2w can already swipe there on the gacha and orb store.
raven zealot
If you're the devs, you probably always want your swipers to be able to swipe, w...
The droprate of them did not scale with the amount needed by people who wanted to swipe immediately after reset at the start
pure nacelle
we're talking about Starforges early on in the seasons
raven zealot
^
pine salmon
y'all must be some whales, because I've never tried buying a starforge crystal ever 😭
raven zealot
I’ve refined everything to cap on the first day they unlocked in s1
pure nacelle
and you are 100% correct with your first statement
which is why injection exists
to take advantage of day 1 maxers
raven zealot
^
pine salmon
where's my injected Muku Chiefs at
raven zealot
They don’t inject wills or only do it sparingly
hallow sedge
where's my injected Muku Chiefs at
use ur rose orbs
pine salmon
MC2 only
pure nacelle
they swipe gacha instead > break other wills > craft shards
raven zealot
Because it interferes with the gacha
pure nacelle
no need to inject wills
raven zealot
They’ll inject everything else
Including things that interfere with f2p making luno
Because it drives them to swipe instead
raven zealot
There is seriously no need to do mental gymnastics to defend what the developers are blatantly doing
It’s quite funny how it’s unanimously agreed upon in China that injection happens
pure nacelle
I don't think it's super problematic, but you should know it exists
raven zealot
But here you have people creating every possible alternative excuse under the sun that it doesn’t happen
pure nacelle
Problematic should be left to debate between game philosophies
hallow sedge
westerns are free will thinkers
pine salmon
I think most items are not injected, with exception to a select few: Mist Chests and possibly Gold Modules
raven zealot
And that’s where you are wrong unfortunately
pine salmon
I'm also not a whale, so I'm not giving the devs money whether they're injecting or not
pure nacelle
it doesn't really matter what items you think are injected or not; there's injection when devs can raise a profit
raven zealot
Books, starforges, and life skill mats are all injected
pine salmon
Books are injected right now or they were injected in the past?
raven zealot
And if you have been paying attention to the market constantly, you will see suspicious patterns
Past
They don’t inject stuff that has no demand
pine salmon
Right now, which items do you think are being injected currently?
raven zealot
The player count in this game has never been remotely near the numbers to constantly supply the market with the quantities that are observed, at the consistent rates
pine salmon
oh, same
pure nacelle
meteorite mech the first 2 weeks; starforge the first few days
im surprised they dont inject more gold foods, but probably want to encourage people to craft gold foods and waste efficiency that way
raven zealot
The system will inject pretty much any non-will item if it detects it being in extremely high demand and running out of stock
I’ve seen it happen real time with support modules in late s1 when I bought out the whole market
pine salmon
Do you think its wrong to inject modules? If you're the devs, don't you want your whales to have an infinite money pit?
pure nacelle
see that's a moral discussion; not a factual discussion
but i'll present you with a thought process for against just for fun:
imagine a world where mods were limited by drops, and you only saw... 100 per day and you had to compete for them; and perhaps you're a whale and you only got 3 per day
imagine how much less of a power gap you would have from damage stack mods compared to f2p purple mods / 666
so yes, you're correct that devs need to make money and that bpsr encourages whaling to create an advantage, and that whale gap can be large; nothing wrong with it
just the game philosophy
people will dislike it as per every vs. school of thoughts
pine salmon
The ocean gap is enormous enough that it's clear what the game's stance on pay for power is, modules is consistent with that philosophy
Probably the unethical part of dynamic market injection is it could create FOMO among whales, maybe some whales rushed to spend on Mist Chests or modules not realizing there's always plenty more where that came from
pure nacelle
it's quite obvious in this game that f2p is meant to progress much slower than a large spender; f2p progress capped, luno income capped, will progress capped, etc etc
pine salmon
A whale seeing a 2 or 3 digit number of Mist Chests or Gold Modules remaining on market might spend more urgently or impulsively than if it said 9999+
raven zealot
Do you think its wrong to inject modules? If you're the devs, don't you want you...
Some people think it’s wrong that the market is not player driven since it takes away agency from players, something that is very important in a mmorpg
I myself don’t really have an unbiased judgment on it since it has benefitted me due to being a heavy spender
pure nacelle
rmt vs access based vs agency
raven zealot
But from a player fairness perspective, it’s scummy especially when it injects items that regular players need to sell to make unbound luno
pine salmon
The unbound luno grind 
quaint ermine
Long thread
pine salmon
maybe I'll get ocean weapon in 10 years
pure nacelle
in a player driven market, rmt goes between players instead of to the devs;
access based allows any whale to step in and buy to the top, as opposed to equipment scarcity and exclusivity
agency removes market demand/supply effects and artificially caps them
quaint ermine
Im not even gonna read it I support Quan and Serenai 
pure nacelle
once an item demand dies, f2p can no longer use those items as income gen
i think people just impose their thoughts of what their ideal mmo should be
pine salmon
I think WWM showed that pay-for-power might not be necessary to crank out money, although it still is early
raven zealot
Some people also lean way too hard into defending this game that they ignore the evidence of their eyes and ears
pure nacelle
also true
raven zealot
Saying market injection exists by itself is not even necessarily an indictment against the game
It’s just what happens
pure nacelle
@quaint ermine when are you injecting my dms with messages
pure nacelle
like this
quaint ermine
is an image loading
placid lily
anyone else getting micro stutters when mobs die? i think it has to do with their drops since it doesn't happen in dungeons.
hallow sedge
anyone else getting micro stutters when mobs die? i think it has to do with thei...
maybe u afk farming too long and have memory leak
placid lily
nah, i don't afk farm. might be something wrong on my end though, that's why i wanted to know if anyone else has the problem, only started in season 2
plain valley
Are we gonna get any more S2 quests after Masters release to assist us with leveling… Or are we essentially left with just daily activities and farming?
still jasper
reef berry
need to farm more gears
trail bane
@plain valley You shoulda picked lifebind xD
wraith stag
Are we gonna get any more S2 quests after Masters release to assist us with leve...
There will be more side quests later on but yes, most of the EXP you get will be dailies + farming.
neon needle
we'll get more quests after we hit max level, rendering them pointless [points to s1]
main latch
we'll get more quests after we hit max level, rendering them pointless [*points ...
Isn't max level higher than max level for the tree though?
neon needle
no clue, but I still have some s1 quests that I'm trying to get rid of [and it's painful]
wraith stag
we did 6
plain valley
<@341397366076866560> You shoulda picked lifebind xD
With all due respect, I’m not interested in being handcuffed during my entire gaming experience
wraith stag
theres 8+
wraith stag
With all due respect, I’m not interested in being handcuffed during my entire ga...
wha?
short coral
Isn't max level higher than max level for the tree though?
The xp tables contain 100 levels
wraith stag
idk last one
quaint ermine
is the second 6 good too
wraith stag
yeah...
quaint ermine
lucky MF
quaint ermine
Redacted so I don't get lynched
I think getting like 66 is not that unlikely for f2p rn since it’s been awhile
but getting the one that benefits you is like
Rarer
wraith stag
life wave hidden iaido tech for more crit early game!
wraith stag
how close to 6 wave?
quaint ermine
Idk if all in wave is a move though
short coral
Kithi, can you throw some my way? I would really like to see any of the supposedly existing advanced stats
wraith stag
Kithi, can you throw some my way? I would really like to see any of the supposed...
throw some? o.o
wow at least ur close to 666!
wraith stag
Cause I have a +10 wave on a tank module 💀
OMG.LOL
short coral
throw some? o.o
wow at least ur close to 666!
I mean, I am sure... but those are the 3rd, 4th and 5th stats in priority
wraith stag
ouch T.T
short coral
from the advanced I have one +9 wave and that's it xD nothing else
+20 is +20
short coral
Oh, hold on! It appears I have obtained a +10 and +6 life steal ones too
real useful on smite
wraith stag
dps smite
timid lava
https://prnt.sc/w0KRziFfM9Ug uhh this bug is sstill here
fossil drift
And why does my guild have a default picture wtf
severe anchor
https://prnt.sc/w0KRziFfM9Ug uhh this bug is sstill here
It happens when the leader starts the dungeon and you aren’t loaded in.
Because they added this feature to dungeons for some reason where you can’t attack before the dungeon starts, but if you’re not loaded before the dungeon starts, TECHNICALLY for YOU th dungeon never started, you can just leave the starting zone
ruby pagoda
cn newest maint patch note seems to address this by fixing point gain before start and allowing skills once again
idk if global getting it early or not lol
wraith stag
Because they added this feature to dungeons for some reason where you can’t atta...
The reason they did this was because
There was a bug where you can cheese your way past the barrier
Multiple variations of it actually
Here's a video someone made
Using this you could cheat M20 and kill all mobs and go to boss before you start the timer
Then kill the boss in 7~ minutes and get perfect score
Using a different method you could do it easier and in every single dungeon too
So they block you from using skills so you can't clear everything out
lyric musk
besides voyage memento, can someone explain to me the best practices when it comes to these events? or just barebones stuff i need to know
lyric musk
Loom - have a smite alt
low investment?
wraith stag
I guess? I can say put lifeskill points into botany colelcting
lyric musk
cant i use lifebind
lyric musk
aw
ruby pagoda
low investment?
works with non compatible gear
lyric musk
ok smite it is
wraith stag
ruby pagoda
just pick the right item and use regen pulse
severe anchor
Then kill the boss in 7~ minutes and get perfect score
Couldn't they just... make it so no mobs are spawned until you hit the pedestal?
o- o
wraith stag
Iunno
lyric musk
works with non compatible gear
:oo
severe anchor
Hmm, I wonder what they're going to do to combat this bugFeature
wraith stag
Like I mean, it's a good idea but I don't know how much they would need to change to actually implement it
I figure it was just easier for them to do what they did as a "band aid" fix
severe anchor
I mean, that fixes dungeons being cleared with 0 return fire. But now people can't even do combat in a dungeon
Because pug hosts just start it as soon as they load without waiting for others to load
Fix one, get another
lyric musk
I guess? I can say put lifeskill points into botany colelcting
nothing in specific?
ruby pagoda
nothing in specific?
for the weekly harvesting
sullen bobcat
if you want to do 1/10th the dps
that's just wrong
both of them did giga damage in loom
sullen bobcat
cant i use lifebind
it doesn't matter which you use, it's so low investment I literally equipped a purple weapon that I bought and then pressed H and won
lyric musk
it doesn't matter which you use, it's so low investment I literally equipped a p...
LOL
sullen bobcat
I didn't even swap off my moonstrike gear
I'm sure you'd get more mileage out of smite, that's what I and most people I saw use
since you deal damage based on your healing so it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you heal
wraith stag
nothing in specific?
The faster collecting one
wraith stag
both of them did giga damage in loom
It's not wrong it's exaggerated, Lifebind did decent damage but Smite did alot more 
wraith stag
I could solo the last floor with Smite but couldn't with Lifebind, wasn't even close XD
sullen bobcat
if you only have one healer, the healer will take all the healing damage
but if you have multiple, they compete to proc the effect for some reason..?
wraith stag
ya they do
but if u have
3 bad healers ( very very very common )
they can steal it and then do tickle damage
then ur just auto loss
wraith stag
healers who take the wrong start
sullen bobcat
oh
wraith stag
u have too much faith
sullen bobcat
wait can they steal it
wraith stag
in random players
sullen bobcat
I've literally never seen someone pick the wrong one
wraith stag
sullen bobcat
my one suggestion would be to try to form parties with others looking to spam the event
you just need people that won't go afk
and won't pick the wrong start
if they aren't a healer they don't matter as long as they walk towards the activation thing 💀
shell loom
guys how do i spend 100 meowlux tickets
First sell the fishing rods
Then remember upgrades will get you there very quickly
quaint ermine
ure so right
but this isnt from fishing rods
this is from my 15.5k contribution to bokura
shell loom
this is from my 15.5k contribution to bokura
Congratulations on your new title and cosmetics!
quaint ermine
little hornet
New player, IS stuck at 1140 no matter what, reforging gear, taking everything off, putting imagines into seasonal tree, nothing moves it from 1140. ZDPS and in-game dungeon evaluation also see me having 1140. Bug or something to do with being a new player?
primal acorn
this is from my 15.5k contribution to bokura
Is this in yen?
meager finch
New player, IS stuck at 1140 no matter what, reforging gear, taking everything o...
did u enable it ?
primal acorn
And if we do then it's so cooked
quaint ermine
New player, IS stuck at 1140 no matter what, reforging gear, taking everything o...
did u do main story quest
primal acorn
New player, IS stuck at 1140 no matter what, reforging gear, taking everything o...
Restart game?
meager finch
New player, IS stuck at 1140 no matter what, reforging gear, taking everything o...
change line ?
little hornet
Imagines are slotted, tree done with factors and its turned on
little hornet
did u do main story quest
Both S1 and S2 yes
little hornet
Restart game?
Not doing it
quaint ermine
would ur IS rn be higher than 1140
like hows ur reforge + level + imagine factor level
primal acorn
Not doing it
If ur not gonna restart ur game to see if it's a visual bug that's on u
keen shell
i left the game, but i wanna come back and whale on it, then leave
quaint ermine
If ur not gonna restart ur game to see if it's a visual bug that's on u
its not a visual bug
theyre probably 1140 for a couple days now
wraith stag
New player, IS stuck at 1140 no matter what, reforging gear, taking everything o...
Have you tried not being a moonstrike
quaint ermine
i left the game, but i wanna come back and whale on it, then leave
thank u for ur contribution to the game
primal acorn
Only things that change it are level, perfection, and tree
quaint ermine
Only things that change it are level, perfection, and tree
but it starts at 1140
wraith stag
New player, IS stuck at 1140 no matter what, reforging gear, taking everything o...
Try turning the tree off, check it then turn it back on mayhaps?
little hornet
If ur not gonna restart ur game to see if it's a visual bug that's on u
Poorly phrased it mb, I meant it as in it doesn't help
primal acorn
but it starts at 1140
Wtf O_o
primal acorn
I didn't know that
quaint ermine
so i knew what he was talking about 
little hornet
Bruh
wraith stag
that would make sense
quaint ermine
its like a beginner protection
primal acorn
Yeah cause we started at 0 on day 1
wraith stag
try counting it manually and see how much you have
quaint ermine
my cn account started at 2.4k IS lmfao
primal acorn
So the catch-up mech is real and it's pretty good I guess
keen shell
thank u for ur contribution to the game
of course, gotta keep the game afloat somehow lmao
quaint ermine
ye
little hornet
So you get IS from gear, season level and a bit from putting imagines into the tree, anything else?
quaint ermine
next next gacha
quaint ermine
So you get IS from gear, season level and a bit from putting imagines into the t...
thats all
keen shell
What is the current gatcha?
quaint ermine
the chinese vibe one
keen shell
And why the hell is everything good coming out next month, this is pissing me off
quaint ermine
and the next one is the skooter one
keen shell
Pokopia, the gacha, Crimson Desert, I already bought tickets for my fav band playing, Marathon, I cant afford all of this
quaint ermine
theres also a special lunar new year one coming soon too probably
quaint ermine
Pokopia, the gacha, Crimson Desert, I already bought tickets for my fav band pla...
technically for gacha u can buy it later 
little hornet
Yup, it all makes sense now, actually still below 1140
keen shell
technically for gacha u can buy it later <a:fireflyspin:1216447608319381516>
yeaaah, im not doing that again, i did it with one of the past gachas
using in game currency takes too long
little hornet
Hard time gate for reforge stones, damn
quaint ermine
did u start last week?
little hornet
Me?
keen shell
did u start last week?
whom?
quaint ermine
using in game currency takes too long
that is facts
quaint ermine
This about to be day 3
ooo ya 
most ppl was able to max out lv120 this week cause they dungeon farmed
but those arent in ur reclaim
its ok next week
little hornet
Next week for sure
quaint ermine
lyric musk
so how does kanamia festival buff work?
i just check there everyday for buff for 5 hrs?
daily
?
pure nacelle
so how does kanamia festival buff work?
at certain time periods you can eat feast
buff can be extended up to 5h at a time
so basically if you wanna play at reset, make sure you consume 5h of buff before hand
otherwise consume ahead of time if your peak playtime falls into dead feast hour(s)
quaint ermine
WOAH
whose awake panik
who do i tag at this late hour
<@&1372169443110813706> get them
i guess i just tag everyone 
rustic merlin
<@&1372169443110813706> get them
Thank you
quaint ermine
lyric musk
hey so
what happens if i just keep eating
do i use up my food?
wait nvm
let me phrase tha rq
lyric musk
otherwise consume ahead of time if your peak playtime falls into dead feast hour...
okay
is there a limit to how many i can eat?
i dont see anything on the event ui
ruby pagoda
the kanamia harvest feast? just eat as much as you want
max 300 minutes buff duration
pure nacelle
is there a limit to how many i can eat?
no, just consider it like "press this for 60min of buff, unlimited all you can eat buffet"
velvet ingot
what skill is this, why is every recovery tank using it except me ? xD
it could be an emblem effect, if anyone knows ?
tropic fog
it could be an emblem effect, if anyone knows ?
oblivion annihilation strike? cant be millions
velvet ingot
oblivion annihilation strike? cant be millions
that's the one i use, It's not that
tropic fog
maybe shattered illusion
velvet ingot
maybe shattered illusion
yes it is, thanks so much ❤️
stark turret
any season 3 update from CN server?
stark turret
i thought a new dual-wield axe class would be introduce in season 3
umbral lintel
i thought a new dual-wield axe class would be introduce in season 3
there is one new update we're aware about. they added tiers to whaling 😂
hidden ingot
Eewww
median horizon
I wonder if they put money in the game already get rewards or you start at 0 when that event starts
hidden ingot
I'm pretty sure whales don't care, but I believe that wouldn't be the right thing to do if they did that. Especially since the CN whales are already displeased after the fishing poles incident
median horizon
They should consider all the money putted on the game before and after this, its the only correct way
But is probably we dont get any of this, we dont make enough noise i think
fading fern
anyone else having problems claiming todays discord account event reward?
I've tried several times and can't claim it. no I havent claimed todays yet
hidden ingot
You've probably reached the end of the rewards
fading fern
I don't think thats possible and I have no way of checking for sure
I sent a bug report to the devs so maybe they can fix it. the last reward claimed was the gold imagine shards
neon needle
I get the reward failed msg as well and checking my in-game mail I finished it yesterday :p
If you started on day 1 you should be done.
fading fern
ty
I'll check the inbox
neon needle
I didn't delete the Discord and Twitch mails in-game so I could keep track
[aka make sure I got them all]
fading fern
the last one I got was the gold shards but checked again and it turns out I havent gotten the last one yet but it's possible I accidentally deleted the mail too
stark turret
do we get G5 or higher after weekly reset on monday?
fading fern
but with no way of knowing for sure
median horizon
do we get G5 or higher after weekly reset on monday?
g7
safe cloak
Yes
stark turret
factor price drastically increase, whoa
trail bane
Premium outfit dye items (bundle)
fuck off you gonna sell PREMIUM outift dye to us suckers who already bought the dam outfit?! Please tell me thats some hoax xD
umbral lintel
hope 2.5k remnants is ok to play around random factors
oh man i havent been afk farming the cocoons at all
stark turret
oh man i havent been afk farming the cocoons at all
i just restarted for this week
main summit
What is the Dreamweaver silk drop amount per a run for M1 and M6?
umbral lintel
What is the Dreamweaver silk drop amount per a run for M1 and M6?
I don’t think higher lvl difficulties increases the amount being dropped
keen robin
Someone knows when will be the new languages be added?
wraith stag
there is one new update we're aware about. they added tiers to whaling 😂
If that happens I'm breaking F2P just for the custom title :^) the bait worked
short coral
Why are they adding reasons for me to stop playing? 
wraith stag
Since Honkai Impact had the same thing I don't think it's that bad
I definitely wouldn't stop playing over it
Actually I think it's a net good thing
Whales upset about fishing
Compensation is largely to everyone, not the upset whales
So they do damage control thanking people who spent
The largest complaint was "I spent alot of money for what I could have got free"
neon needle
It looks like just VIP tiers
which a lot of games with microtransactions or gacha have
wraith stag
yeah I think that's fine
neon needle
yeh. it's just an extra reward for those who spend. :x
quartz sigil
Seasonal vip?
neon needle
My only objection to it is I don't want to be reminded how much I've spent .... /j 
quartz sigil
What is RMB
sinful sun
the new world currency
neon needle
"Growth Points are accumulated starting 2025-07-17." looks like it's going back to game start too.. so that's good [since this is CN]
quartz sigil
Started from the beginning of game huh
wraith stag
factor price drastically increase, whoa
The drops you get will also greatly increase @umbral lintel
stark turret
The drops you get will also greatly increase <@213301118288003072>
that's nice
quartz sigil
Remember g5 will be sold for higher than a g1
sinful cradle
is there any discord bot for Guild Hunt notifications, just like there is one for World Boss Crusade? or even for the green and pink piggies?
umbral lintel
is there any discord bot for Guild Hunt notifications, just like there is one fo...
????
no
at least not on this server
sinful cradle
wondering in case anyone has one of those on their servers
umbral lintel
for world boss crusade, i would just put a timer on. same thing for guild hunts
for the green and pink piggies, i suggest heading over to the rarehunters discord
sinful cradle
for world boss crusade, i would just put a timer on. same thing for guild hunts
oh we already have a bot for the WBC
umbral lintel
oh we already have a bot for the WBC
on this server? 🤔
i might have the channel hidden
sinful cradle
oh it can also set up GH
stark turret
guild dance in 6mins lol
lyric musk
this from ultimate?
wraith stag
this from ultimate?
ya
plain valley
You don’t need the wishes trophy to max out season title rank. Not for S1, still not for S2… There’s 16 gold trophies in S2 (that we know about) and only 13 are needed to max out.
main summit
Also S1 was 10 wishes short from reaching 80 wishes. Only advise going for the 80 wishes only if you want the selector box.
still jasper
Not being able to claim code BLOOMFORGED
reef berry
i think the O is 0
reef berry
Not being able to claim code BLOOMFORGED
number 0 instead or letter O i mean
pine salmon
a wise person once said, "Oh my god I'm blooming" 😩
lapis wharf
Will there be dragon raids still with the new raid?
gentle totem
Old and new dragon raids will exist together
maiden shadow
are we getting more msq's with the new are or is that just it for the rest of the season?
umbral lintel
are we getting more msq's with the new are or is that just it for the rest of th...
main quest not sure. side quests definitely
neon needle
s2 story is terrible. that wasn't an ending. X'D
trail bane
I mean it was. The end. Finito. No more xD
glacial shell
Will game add npc costumes and hair ? I feel like fashion is the end game and have little choice for hair and etc
primal acorn
tf is this?
primal acorn
wraith stag
umbral lintel
I mean it was. The end. Finito. No more xD
the ending of s2 basically 👆
it was just so abrupt
quartz sigil
we never even got a conclusion for whatever is happening in the dutchy lol
just poof
they learned that the dutchy is behind all these issues
umbral lintel
they learned that the dutchy is behind all these issues
season 3 surely
neon needle
I meeeeean I didn't even get a chance to plant my fist in Reiner's face. Incomplete ending.
quartz sigil
reiner is the priest?
neon needle
no the 'leader' of the ones in control of the mines
plain valley
Has anyone figured out the requirements and rewards for the hidden achievements under this seasonal tab?
neon needle
It was posted in here before for 2 of them.. they're returnee ones
would assume the 6th one is just the same as the last newbie one
lyric vortex
https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-evangelion-neon-genesis-evangelion-misato...
that's what came to my mind aswell
halcyon idol
so whats the highest level you guys seen so far? guildie of mines been afk farming non stop currently +65 🤣
quartz sigil
65 is tha max for the next 4 weeks
halcyon idol
oh really? so the max +100 cap wont be til later?
quartz sigil
✅
plain valley
Gotta love the 100% afk gameplay, with no xp boost events… Is it really so much to ask to just buff xp gains over the weekend…
neon needle
current season leveling sucks so hard x-x seriously needs work
went from too easy leveling to too hard
halcyon idol
Gotta love the 100% afk gameplay, with no xp boost events… Is it really so much ...
can we even call it "gameplay" , its basically botting 🤣
sad way to boost player count
thats all it is, braindead design 😭
quartz sigil
not having enough quest to max huh
do we really not reach it narutally eventually
we reach level 55 at about 26 days. and this season has 120 days
halcyon idol
best part is the daily exp we get from the season hub doesnt give us a full level
halcyon idol
we reach level 55 at about 26 days. and this season has 120 days
wrong, looks like 6 months
its even worse than you think
😭
quartz sigil
oh then we reach level 100 naturally
maybe
is the exp needed per level needed that high eventually
yall are trippin i think xd
halcyon idol
yall are trippin i think xd
not at all, afk farming being the only thing to do in a game is awful by design lazy devs
neon needle
it's fine if afk farming is one option out of many
but right now the only way to level ... is afk farming. or very very slowly by the dailies.
halcyon idol
whats worse is they dont even drop luno now
neon needle
yup
halcyon idol
if anything afk farming gives sigils too i guess to recyle but...
neon needle
that is bad too
halcyon idol
the drop rate
is dogshit
2 sigil frags per recyle too
anything to slow down f2p progression 🤣
neon needle
I don't really care about sigils [I have them on my marksman gear but]
halcyon idol
I don't really care about sigils [I have them on my marksman gear but]
considering how much stats they provide you should care tho, i wouldnt use elite / boss sigils NOW tho but later itll be a bigger deal
the issue is how rare they are to get
especially the boss sigils
neon needle
yeh I haven't really paid attention to them yet
plush cairn
is there a bug with friendship points rn. ever since reset, i havent been able to get any frienship points. dungeons with randoms, bots, gh, etc. im still at 0
plain valley
is there a bug with friendship points rn. ever since reset, i havent been able t...
You’re gonna have to submit an official bug report… It happened to me in S1, took three weeks before my account started getting friendship points again (and not back pay)
willow knoll
i'm surprised there isn't a season shop thing to give psychoscope exp tbh
afk farming sucks ;_;
sullen bobcat
if we have to rely on dailies it'll take 81 more days before I'm max level
wow that's terrible
I might actually have to start afking to keep up
wraith stag
went from too easy leveling to too hard
As a completely unbiased level 61
I find the current system to be amazing
neon needle
+61 means you're highly biased :p
neon needle
Anything over +60 is
neon needle
story was way too short
wraith stag
i like this season waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
more than s1
way faster to hit 55% crit
more content
quartz sigil
you are 60.7
wraith stag
system that rewards farming
neon needle
and the non-finished story is very annoying
neon needle
you're 1 xp over 60
neon needle
it was 10 hours
it cut off without us having actually DONE anything
sullen bobcat
true
but that doesn't mean it was too short
think of all the isekai anime that got one cour and then never got a second season
hallow sedge
neon needle
it was too short XD no conclusion is a horrible way to write a story :p
daring basin
Where do u actually buy the Ocean weapon from? In my gear crafting store it isn;t listed anymore
quartz sigil
Void crafting or whatever
daring basin
It doesnt show in any of my stores
I thought it was at this NPC
Ahh nvm found it, is a different npc now
This NPC now if anyone ever needs it in future
plain valley
Which VO is more efficient for the xp farm? Is it smite or Lifebind?
wraith stag
Where do u actually buy the Ocean weapon from? In my gear crafting store it isn;...
HOLD UP
WAIT A MINUTE
UR GETTING OCEAN?!
wraith stag
Which VO is more efficient for the xp farm? Is it smite or Lifebind?
Lifebind is more efficient
Smite is less efficient but not by alot
wraith stag
ohhhh
daring basin
878$
long relic
Ok now that world chat and guild failed me
someone help me clear vaults 30 I do 320-340k dps
wraith stag
Ok now that world chat and guild failed me
someone help me clear vaults 30 I do...
we can try later!
320k is very good
wraith stag
Ok now that world chat and guild failed me
someone help me clear vaults 30 I do...
is u alive
vapid obsidian
Can you only add certain emotes to the emote quickwheel? I had Dance IV in S1 but can't add it to the wheel now in S2
wraith stag
Can you only add certain emotes to the emote quickwheel? I had Dance IV in S1 bu...
If for some reason you can't add it then make a custom emote with it and add that
vapid obsidian
If for some reason you can't add it then make a custom emote with it and add tha...
How do I add the custom emote to the emote wheel?
vapid obsidian
It shows only these options for me
ruby pagoda
you can scroll down
vapid obsidian
It doesn't let me
ruby pagoda
uh use mouse click and drag
vapid obsidian
Oh thanks, when I tried to do it earlier it moves my camera, but there's a invisible scroll bar to the right
quartz sigil
whats the drop rate on the tokiwa grass
is it better to use focus to farm tokiwa grass or just buy it from trading center
plain valley
whats the drop rate on the tokiwa grass
I’m not sure of the exact rate, but my last batch of 400 points yielded 3 tokiwa grass
quartz sigil
I’m not sure of the exact rate, but my last batch of 400 points yielded 3 tokiwa...
that sounds terrible
3/20
15%
plain valley
If the guy from CN calculated S1’s correctly, it should be somewhere around 20% on average (between both special drops)
drowsy oyster
in s2 what's the difference between the two mage specs
does one of these two use muku chief as bis
wraith stag
does one of these two use muku chief as bis
Both
sullen bobcat
If the guy from CN calculated S1’s correctly, it should be somewhere around 20% ...
I only spent 64 harvests so the numbers aren't in bulk but I got 7 (suspected 1/8 chance) from saffron
wraith stag
in s2 what's the difference between the two mage specs
Icicle is good
that's the difference
:^)
On a serious note...
wraith stag
in s2 what's the difference between the two mage specs
The main differences off the top of my head
Icicle
- Broken late game
- Top tier single target DPS ( can be top 1 but reliant on Tina )
- Basically Season 1 Iaido
- Poor AoE
without specific imagine setup more for whales
Frostbeam
- Strong in AoE
- Weakest single target DPS in the game
- Apparently does less damage than Dissonance/Smite in single target
- Only really played when Icicle mains swap to it for AoE
tbh change "broken late game" to "as soon as it gets raid gear 4 piece" ngl
plain valley
Don’t the maxroll guides suggest just picking up all 6 set pieces for icicle?
wraith stag
That's for the raw stats + not having to farm perfect purples
What makes Icicle pop off is
2 Set Effect: Frost Lance and Meteor Storm DMG +13%. After Casting Crystal Veil, recover up to 80 Ice Energy over 5s.
4 Set Effect: When Frost Lance triggers Critical Strike or Lucky Strike, gain 1 stack of Frost Crystal. If both Critical and Lucky Strike happen together, obtain 2 stacks instead. Upon reaching 25 Frost Crystal, cast Crystal Veil, 15s CD.
edgy mountain
2 Set Effect: Frost Lance and Meteor Storm DMG +13%. After Casting Crystal Veil,...
I saw on maxroll, the 4p effect gives stack of “phantom ice”, not crystal 
Which one is correct
Bcause if it gives crystals, the set is super broken
wraith stag
I think "Phantom Ice" is the name of the stack
And it's a translation thing
Upon reaching 25 "Frost Crystal" is also meant to be Phantom Ice
I think this was just mistranslated oaowigjogijwse
I love how Icicle gets a text wall though
and Beam is like
gain slight damage
Only class to get shafted more than iaido
wraith stag
I saw on maxroll, the 4p effect gives stack of “phantom ice”, not crystal <:hmmm...
But yes unfortunately maxroll is the right T/N
冰矛
4件套0/4:冰霜之矛触发暴击或幸运一击,获得1层幻冰;暴击、幸运一击同时触发则获得2层;幻冰达到25层时,朝前方施放清淹绕珠,该效果每15秒最多生效一
plain valley
Only class to get shafted more than iaido
What about the disso set… It’s barely anything last I checked
edgy mountain
Ye it s just a separate stack as I thought
wraith stag
What about the disso set… It’s barely anything last I checked
Iaido's doesn't even do anything most of the time T-T
edgy mountain
Imagine if it s actually frost crys tho
wraith stag
Dissonance is bad too though ya
Dissonance
2 Set Effect: During Heroic Melody, Fire Element bonus +5%
4 Set Effect: Amplifying Beat HIT count +1
plain valley
Iaido's doesn't even do anything most of the time T-T
That’s cause they’re a burst class, they signed up for that
wraith stag
Iaido
2 Set Effect: After Critical Striking enemies with Class Skill, Crit DMG +2%, Lasts 5s, Stacking up to 5 times.
4 Set Effect: Does literally nothing
MADGE
maaaaaaaaadge
lyric musk
does literally nothing
wraith stag
that's the exact translation trust /s
lyric musk
so we just go for 2 set?
primal acorn
Iaido
2 Set Effect: After Critical Striking enemies with Class Skill, Crit DMG +...
That 4p is great outside of burst 😂
plain valley
4 set still gives better raw stats though
wraith stag
6 set for raw stat bonuses, can go down to 4 ( and some people are even using 2 for some reason but only against certain bosses LOL ) still needs to be tested
wraith stag
That 4p is great outside of burst 😂
Tina: Am I a joke to you
AND LIKE
WHY
egrwi9uhgfwehf
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
primal acorn
Smites be like: what's Tina? I'm the real DPS here
plain valley
6 set for raw stat bonuses, can go down to 4 ( and some people are even using 2 ...
We had a few Disso only using 2piece in S1, but it was only better with PERFECT stats
wraith stag
how would you say iaido compares to other DPS
It kinda falls off, realistically Iaido is the #1 F2P DPS in season 1 with the disclaimer that you need to sacrifice your soul ( lifeskills ) to invest in muku chief
It's not top 4 anymore, it's not at the top but not at the bottom, still strong enough to clear M20's as F2P but it won't be topping boss charts like it was before.
The trade off is it's way more fun to play in season 2.
wraith stag
Smites be like: what's Tina? I'm the real DPS here
Kicked mid run
w8 w8
lemme find this meme
primal acorn
Smite is the new disso this season which is kinda wild
drowsy oyster
err how do i do bahamar commissions
lyric musk
It kinda falls off, realistically Iaido is the #1 F2P DPS in season 1 with the d...
so just pray for season 3?
plain valley
wraith stag
so just pray for season 3?
Depends what you want, it's kind of a trade off
Iaido isn't going to be overpowered like it was before and is weaker in comparison to other classes S1 vs S2
wraith stag
Devo cage light orb crystals
i was watching a streamer
the party setup was
Iaido Iaido ( idr the last )
and she expected them to drop everything and go get the orbs
i messaged them then they crashed out on me for some reason XD
plain valley
oh the crystal thing?
Is that what they’re talking about? I’ve always done them… tbf… Disso more dps then healer
quaint ermine
i messaged them then they crashed out on me for some reason XD
and then i saw them pull up here
plain valley
Devo cage light orb crystals
Ohhh, That does make sense the DPS should be doing that
vapid valve
How long are we expecting 140 gears to last?
wraith stag
Ohhh, That does make sense the DPS should be doing that
wdym
tacit flame
Everyone should be doing light orb crystal if you're close to the light orb.
plain valley
You want the healer to stop healing you guys?
tacit flame
I am going to be crashing out if they said I am DPS, I ain't doing Mech.
wraith stag
How long are we expecting 140 gears to last?
50 days
wraith stag
You want the healer to stop healing you guys?
Let me quote bidoof for this one
but yes
primal acorn
Name looks familiar
wraith stag
my condolences
inner lintel
Idk as tank I always try to run and get them bc my dps and sometimes my healer never does
wraith stag
You want the healer to stop healing you guys?
Maxroll Creator. Icicle Teacher. Dreaded Light Prison. Stone Wars. CN Vet 4-Digit Hours Exp
If they don't, then you you're as a melee, you're going to freaking suffer in this dungeon if you have really bad support dungeon or supporter or tank or if like nobody's moving it because the DPS should not be the ones moving the the light orb away from the boss from where the boss is looking at. It should be the should be the healer preferably.
plain valley
but yes
Okay … But if the DPS players start dropping like flies.. I’m not taking any blame for that
wraith stag
Nobody needs that level of constant healing
sullen bobcat
from what I remember last season you only really needed that much healing during mobbing
wraith stag
^
It's the same this season, even in high master dungeons
And the unironic thing is
the healer not getting the orbs makes the circle smaller, which means they take way more damage than if you left and got the orbs
Even if you have no lingering heals
tacit flame
I absolute hate playing Cage because support player suck this dungeon
wraith stag
LOL
inner lintel
Without a mage/mm who uses their ult I can not
tacit flame
I am tank, so I had to go get the orb because support doesn't want to go get it. My Melee DPS is really going to suffer in this..
TRUE SUFFER FOR REAL
tacit flame
Ideal it should be support getting orb the most. NOt DPS or Tank..
plain valley
Bc like I knew id live so
^ does it really hit that hard on DPS stepping outside the circle?
tacit flame
I hope Master will awake people up in Cage.
inner lintel
I think if a dps is near they should like grab it bc even on my mage I did that
sullen bobcat
I hope master beats them
inner lintel
^ does it really hit that hard on DPS stepping outside the circle?
Not rn really, like mage is paper hp anyway but I never dropped further than 70% bc I had healers always healing
Im sure in master it'll be worse
wraith stag
I was busy getting carried by Pluna in cage and i still did tank mechanics :D
wraith stag
^ does it really hit that hard on DPS stepping outside the circle?
It doesn't hit that hard but It reduces their damage by alot which is why ideally you'd have the healer go grab it.
But because it doesn't do that much damage it means healer has free time to go get it without worrying everyone dies
inner lintel
The thing i hate most about cage is when people pick up the statue when its not in danger
plain valley
Im sure in master it'll be worse
Do you think the team would be made if I brought in Trickster instead of a real support imagine? 
wraith stag
goblin trickster?
plain valley
I have no clue what trickster does 😭
It does a team wide knockback 
wraith stag
I was busy getting carried by Pluna in cage and i still did tank mechanics :D
@sullen bobcat
sullen bobcat
omg shut upppp
wraith stag
idk about u but it looks like "whale or very strong f2p" level dps
sullen bobcat
your friend must have gotten unlucky!!!
shell loom
Pluna whale
wraith stag
LOL I WISH
sullen bobcat
surely
pine salmon
It does a team wide knockback <:doggokek:1159939508083634227>
Does the radius or strength of the knockback increase with tier? Or just better cooldown at higher tiers
plain valley
Does the radius or strength of the knockback increase with tier? Or just better ...
Not sure if it increases, I only got t0 right now cause I wanted to see what it does… But finalizing my SGK is the priority rn
drowsy oyster
is shamman afk farm better than cabbage evne when you're at higher IS?
wraith stag
people farm cabbage?
The times I did cabbage it was worse than shaman because less mob density
sullen bobcat
yeah people farm cabbage
I saw a guildmate at it a few days ago when doing my dailies
drowsy oyster
people farm cabbage?
i always see some people afk it
and some parties in world chat recruiting every now and then
wraith stag
i wonder if its for the sigil
wraith stag
not afk. cant find any parties lol
why do u need a party
drowsy oyster
you dont always get the elite chest?
quartz sigil
plain valley
Because they still better than S2 elites
drowsy oyster
also, is this an s2 thing? not everybody gets the chest unlike in world bosses where you get one as long as you hit/get hit by the boss?
quartz sigil
the drop loot for s2 elite is better though
what are u still farming for s1 if you are a day 1 player
wraith stag
not sure why you are farming s1 elites
I don't notice any difference between s1 elite and s2 elite beside the shard that I already have 600+ excess of
plain valley
what are u still farming for s1 if you are a day 1 player
I’m not… but if they’re not day 1 players, then we’re probably gonna tell em what is BiS no?
wraith stag
what are u still farming for s1 if you are a day 1 player
Will drop to sell to my alt!
Starforge crystals
wraith stag
also, is this an s2 thing? not everybody gets the chest unlike in world bosses w...
It's been like this since s1
plain valley
Will drop to sell to my alt!
That shit never works for me… The stuff doesn’t even show up for my main account to see before it’s bought out
wraith stag
That shit never works for me… The stuff doesn’t even show up for my main account...
oh it frequently works for me
wraith stag
its easy to buy the s1 elite wills regardless
wha?
I don't get this comment at all
plain valley
Personally, I just use the free purple shards… but to each their own
wraith stag
I still don't follow
I'm talking about getting a will drop on your main account
Then selling it to an alt account
So you get 120k luno on your main
That and starforge crystals are like... THE reasons to run elites
quartz sigil
yeah and the s2 elites have the tier 3 in the drop loot
s1 elites only have the tier 2 starforge
quartz sigil
Personally, I just use the free purple shards… but to each their own
exactly, easy to get the wills just from purp shards
lyric musk
I still don't follow
kithi if i want to top dps charts, what should i use and prepare for s2?
wraith stag
yeah and the s2 elites have the tier 3 in the drop loot
s1 elites only have the ...
Oh I actually didn't notice that, hadn't gotten any level 3's from s2 elites
Just the world bosses
wraith stag
Not any class, but realistically the gap between F2P and Whale is much much much larger in s1 compared to s2
lyric musk
and gamble for 6666 modules, and max a muku chief + ???
wraith stag
In Season 1 the gap between F2P and whale wasn't that large
Ocean weapon was only around 10%
and their second Imagine* was maybe like
another 10%
Depends on the class
Some classes it was a loss
Beam / Icicle would rather Muku Scout over T5 crab for example
So the only thing a whale had over you would be ocean weapon
lyric musk
how does whaled out iaido compare to a whaled out best s2 dps class
wraith stag
Now there's Rorola / Boyce SSR imagine + Ocean gap is significantly larger early game
wraith stag
how does whaled out iaido compare to a whaled out best s2 dps class
doesn't change the ranking
if its leviathan ranking its basically
Icicle > Other
lyric musk
icicle if i want to top dps then?
wraith stag
goonstrikes are the real enemy
lyric musk
goonstrikes are the real enemy
whats up with that
they get bigger gains on other stats right
wraith stag
ya
lyric musk
and they can afk?
wraith stag
disgusting
lyric musk
icicle + iaido = cant afk yes?
wraith stag
defne afk
wraith stag
full auto?
drowsy oyster
wildpack
drowsy oyster
not falcon tho
wraith stag
ya
lyric musk
goonstrike gets the blessings of stormblade (high DPS) without the drawbacks of stormblade (lock in at the game)
AND
they get better gains when they whale?
wraith stag
now you see why they are the enemy of the state
lyric musk
okay
wraith stag
i hope twin axe destroys them
wraith stag
yaaa
lyric musk
like
wraith stag
its kind of upcoming
drowsy oyster
are there leaks tho
wraith stag
devs already leaked it themselves
drowsy oyster
hopefully before game shuts down lol
wraith stag
"We will continue to expand new playstyles for classes, but without changing their core position or style. For example, a dual-wielding style focused on agility, attack speed, and luck would be assigned to a new class, like a dual axe class."
so most in CN think its coming in s3
which for them is like
34? days away
lyric musk
where can i see this ;-;
pure nacelle
So you get 120k luno on your main
they hid timer remaining so
lyric musk
i wanna be on in the news too
pure nacelle
you have to gamble a little bit in estimating when
quartz sigil
If it's wrong you can always quote kithi
wraith stag
it still works
I just make a note
for when 24 hours is coming
then buy it
they just hid the timer but if you get exact time
it works the same way
just an extra step
pure nacelle
ic
wouldve thought they randomized the listing times sorta +/- 1 hr or so
but i suppose not
wraith stag
so far they didnt and im glad they didnt LMAO
lyric musk
so when selling stuff
it has 24 hours to be in trading and best way to ge tthem is
last second?
from main to alt
wraith stag
ya if you buy it on ur alt when its 5~ seconds left on the timer you get it most of the time
ive never failed on imagines / starforged
wraith stag
ya LOL
lyric musk
LOL
quartz sigil
Every star forged items are like min price right now though isn't it
lyric musk
If it's wrong you can always quote kithi
i would never do that to my stormblade sensei
quartz sigil
Specially you, you need to follow both the wrong and correct teachings
lyric musk
yea both have value
quartz sigil
Exactly
lyric musk
as long as i dont waste too much time failing
like when i accept low AS for raid
and mald for 12 hour sstraight
explaining every mech everytime a new member comes by
because i dont trust them
i should just play with guildies
wraith stag
where can i see this ;-;
https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1165833537823178758 This is a better one
It actually says new class in season 3
It also says to save up advancement boxes
because we can use it on the new class in s3
So I really think it's a safe bet to say that Season 3 has a new class, the question is if it's twin axe or not ( but they mentioned it previously )
lyric musk
save up advancement boxes for new class (dark serum finally usable?)
plain valley
i should just play with guildies
Why don’t you? What’s the point of a guild you don’t do content with…
quartz sigil
Join our guild, we will play with you
edgy mountain
https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1165833537823178758 This is a better one
I read the translation, if Im not mistaken, they said "new classes"
so maybe more than 1? 
plain valley
I read the translation, if Im not mistaken, they said "new classes"
They miss translate regularly, wouldn’t trust the translation as written
wraith stag
is that 1 ( marksman ) or 2 ( bird wolf )