questions-and-help

[wraith stag]

nvm they did

[sullen bobcat]

1.5m is 155.07?

[wraith stag]

yes

[sullen bobcat]

oh wait is it that number system I heard about where a million is a thousand thousand

or wait no

that's how it is normally

was it billion being a million million..

[wraith stag]

its 萬 not K

[sullen bobcat]

this feels like a made up concept to me

[wraith stag]

150k = 150,000
150W= 1,500,000

1k = 1000
1W = 10,000

[sullen bobcat]

hm

ok

[wraith stag]

it was m20

rorola crab

[spiral goblet]

this kanji stands for ten thousand so yeah

[wraith stag]

but yeah xD my point was at least block cant full auto

[sullen bobcat]

they can't?

[wraith stag]

nah its actually pretty bad on auto

[sullen bobcat]

I don't auto so I have no idea

[wraith stag]

based

[spiral goblet]

as far as i remember auto missmanages ur energy or smth at least in S1, but dunno never playd it

[wraith stag]

yeah thats what i heard

auto on block ruins energy and destroys dps

[sullen bobcat]

mismanages energy..?

block doesn't do dps though

that's like the point of it

[wraith stag]

:( wow

[sullen bobcat]

you make so much energy in the first place it doesn't matter if you mismanage it

unless you end up in a bad situation

but that's the risk you run using auto in the first place

[spiral goblet]

Semi auto is the way to go with most classes anyways : D

[wraith stag]

yes we do

[wraith stag]

oh no it does

we dont make that much energy until raid set either

you can auto on block and live somewhat, but dps drops off because of poor energy management

and when we get raid gear only around half our damage is shattered

[sullen bobcat]

you only use energy for countercrush though

[wraith stag]

i call sand crystals energy too

[sullen bobcat]

mf

[spiral goblet]

xDDD

[sullen bobcat]

you only use it on granite though

[wraith stag]

hey its just 2 energy systems

[sullen bobcat]

how do you mismanage that

[wraith stag]

idk i dont auto

but in block section

[sullen bobcat]

it's literally one button in your entire kit

[wraith stag]

everyone said its ass in auto

so idk

[sullen bobcat]

wh

are they shoving rage burst on or something

[wraith stag]

idek

i never tried it just know general consensus was

Block can auto but decent dps loss, EF can't auto at all and if you wanna auto go block and accept the loss

[spiral goblet]

yeah earth cant auto thats true

auto doesnt stack up the crystals, but yeah dunno how much loss you get on block, tho i think it cant be too much.

[wraith stag]

probably not too much on semi auto

but ms can full auto every skill LMAO

[spiral goblet]

moonstrike can yeah but i wouldnt reccomend it

[wraith stag]

and beam is just

BEAM
go get some coffee or something

come back press 2 buttons

BEAAAAAM

[spiral goblet]

its better if you only have those 3 on auto, or even deactivate scythe wheel if u rly want full controll for every situation xD

[wraith stag]

is it that bad if you dodge cancel scythe still

WHAT THE HASTE

[spiral goblet]

yeah i havent crafted rorola yet, im not a whale haha

and i changed class on S2 release so yeah

i just quickly grabed those 2 to have perma 80%+ speed

cuz i had enough mats left over x`D

but no i dont activated both of them together

that would be a waste in 90% of any cases

the other 10% is just burning raid dragons or unstable

[spiral goblet]

its not bad, its just you dont wana have the automode activate ur burst mode while a mechanic or huge aoe comes up

[sullen bobcat]

I agree but just because.. auto doesn't press skills as fast as it should for some reason..?

[plain valley]

Hey… So quick question… 🙋 How do we earn luno on an alt with zero unbound luno?

[spiral goblet]

wait what do you, you wana earn unbound luno?

if so then just use the crafting system

and sell ur stuff xD

[wraith stag]

WHAT ABOUT FOX

[sullen bobcat]

daily quest gives 6k

[left marlin]

guild Cargo, daily activity box, monthly card free tap

[wraith stag]

woww

[sullen bobcat]

monthly card gives bound

[wraith stag]

idk never tried auto LMAO

[plain valley]

Is that the guild quest? Alt isn’t in a guild…

[wraith stag]

im only repeating what i saw

[sullen bobcat]

yeah IK I just tried it

[wraith stag]

EWWWWW AUTO PLAYER

[sullen bobcat]

moons auto is a lot better but it's still pretty eh

decent dps loss either way

maybe it changes with raid gear later in the season

[plain valley]

Ahh, Okay… Gotta actually do something with this alt before I can… Do something with this alt

[wraith stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1259950730748629156.gif

[spiral goblet]

i could if i wanted to, but nah thanks, im going for Rorola anyways, maybe i get her to S3 somewhere in the future so yeah

[sullen bobcat]

the only auto I accept is thundercut + basic on auto

or even better, just thundercut

to save people from getting hand problems ✨

it can still screw you up though just don't auto 🙏

[spiral goblet]

i never rly tested it with a dps meter but it just feels wrong regardless.
I had full auto in S1 when i used moonstrike as secondary class for skin farm and it felt just wrong like i said : D

[sullen bobcat]

cause it is wrong

[spiral goblet]

scythe wheel on auto is "okay" but yeah idk i might take it out when new raids are up

basic + thunder will stay on tho, dont wana screw up my hands again as i did back the days in Blade & Soul on Warlock Shadow spec -.-

[sullen bobcat]

the window to dodge is kinda small so unless you activate it yourself goodluck cancelling it

[wraith stag]

ok fair

[wraith stag]

how does this make u feel

ur class is the new wolf

[spiral goblet]

that is true

[sullen bobcat]

why is their thundercut on 2

[wraith stag]

iunno xD

they iaido player, only swapped ms for m20

[sullen bobcat]

lmfao

[wraith stag]

did more dps full autoing late game

[spiral goblet]

yeah THATS ME at the end of S1 for dungeon skin farm on normal mode kekw

[sullen bobcat]

iaido got cooked that badly in the ocean huh

[wraith stag]

to quote this one cn player loosely

[spiral goblet]

also have S3 MC rdy for the case that critmoon becomes a thing again later on x`D

[wraith stag]

early and mid game Iaido is competitive or in some cases stronger, the problem is late game it runs out of stats to stack and has very little increase

If a Iaido gains 10,000 DPS a Moonstrike gains 20,000 DPS from the same thing

they also blamed luck and haste being better than crit and mastery

its similar to how in s1 moon won at leviathan levels

but not f2p levels

Iaido runs out of stats to stack
MS keeps gaining then multiplies that if they can stack crit

Iaido gets enough mastery just from raid set

crit too

we stack some haste and vers and it doesnt scale as well

MS stacks luck and haste then has good scaling on mastery, good scaling on crit, can also build vers

[spiral goblet]

MS is the cooler spec anyways o3o

Scythe for tha win io.oi

[spiral goblet]

Hahaha

[sullen bobcat]

makes sense

[spiral goblet]

....xD

[sullen bobcat]

because they don't change scaling per class

[wraith stag]

we basically reach 100% crit rate too soon

so its like

max crit same issue as wolf

[sullen bobcat]

moon can't really stack crit unless whale though

[wraith stag]

mastery from raid set

now what

we hit like

[spiral goblet]

yeah crit is kinda expensive but i mean at least it works x`D

[wraith stag]

36 mastery

without stacking any at all directly

if we use 6 pc raid ( cn saying 4 pc is better though, need to test why ppl saying we do 6 )

i get 6 early game

[sullen bobcat]

I'm gonna do 6 so I don't have to farm :D

[wraith stag]

but not in 160

[wraith stag]

that reminds me

how the iaido going

:D

[sullen bobcat]

it's

not going too good

I don't wanna put sigils on because they are too expensive

this sigil BS is making me consider just moving back to moon already

[spiral goblet]

come back to tha dark side, the thunder void is calling you!

[sullen bobcat]

"the dark side" I was born in that shit

[wraith stag]

relatable

as someone who

wasted sigils on full set

[sullen bobcat]

says the guy with full purple sigils

[wraith stag]

( it cost me nothing )

i live for the afk

[sullen bobcat]

another reason I'm considering just quitting doing content

I don't wanna afk at shit

droprate is way too low to bother

[subtle hound]

What's the max amount of field per homestead?

[sullen bobcat]

20 per player

[wraith stag]

NO

DONT DO IT

WE NEED U

[sullen bobcat]

how

I don't do shit 🥀

[spiral goblet]

thankfully another person who just hates that afk BS

[wraith stag]

u carried me in dungeons

[sullen bobcat]

💀

[subtle hound]

Uh I think I placed 21

[spiral goblet]

havent farmed void in S1 and i defo wont farm cocon in S2 aswell.

[wraith stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1460537372587327600/1468492035169325108/image.png?ex=6984e008&is=69838e88&hm=2a6d3112dde0595509c236bac88e347241b644107501b41071868dead9018ebe&

photographic evidence

[sullen bobcat]

ts isn't carrying

[wraith stag]

tyfc

[wraith stag]

i had so much excess i even sigil for my tank x.x

this rly is afk season but

its not mandatory

u will catch up its just early game it seems big

[sullen bobcat]

I suppose

it's just like

there's no more content

[spiral goblet]

yup : D

[oblique smelt]

best lifeskills to sell now for unbound luno?

[sullen bobcat]

I'm considering playing the game as my side game now
which means dropping the game

[subtle hound]

Nvm

[sullen bobcat]

cause I don't keep side games

[spiral goblet]

its only worth for the flex but thats about it, in the end the only real diference will always be whale vs f2p

[wraith stag]

this is the only "dry week"in s2 dw

[subtle hound]

How do we delete a field from inventory

[sullen bobcat]

what

they release master dungeons yeah

then you max out, then m6 (the same exact thing but again)

[wraith stag]

i cant wait

for raid and m6

[sullen bobcat]

and then it's done

[wraith stag]

o lemme see brb

[sullen bobcat]

you finished the game congratulations

now you wait 4 months for next season

[subtle hound]

Apparently they'll add pvp

[sullen bobcat]

I don't want pvp

[subtle hound]

Apparently they'll uhhfg

[umbral lintel]

Huh

[sullen bobcat]

it changes a lot

[spiral goblet]

ye its just S1 all over again, some things are better in S2 some are worse. Theres a lot of stuff that they couldve changed with S2 but they didnt, maybe S3 will finaly a game that feels complete xD

[subtle hound]

Yes

How do we delete building from our homestead inventory

[sullen bobcat]

season 1 was way shorter though

[subtle hound]

I'm playing for the story

[sullen bobcat]

so the dead weeks were okayish

[sullen bobcat]

see and that's why there's no point in playing

story is over until s3

[subtle hound]

Real

[sullen bobcat]

our gear gets completely scrapped when s3 drops anyway

frame 1

[spiral goblet]

ye i know what u mean

[sullen bobcat]

I wasn't really that offended at the start of the season since the story was there but now the story's over and it's back to feeling like the end of s1 with absolutely nothing to do

[subtle hound]

Who's your favourite character

[spiral goblet]

ye its rly sad ._.

[sullen bobcat]

airona

[subtle hound]

Me too

[spiral goblet]

Airona + Rorola for me, rest of the cast is idk decent but sometimes just annoying idk

[oblique smelt]

yah lazy to math but looking at gems selling mats alone is higher profit lol

[subtle hound]

Who's your unfavourite character

Like the character you like the least

[sullen bobcat]

it's kinda impossible to like any other character much more

unless you only care about their appearance

since airona is the only one who ever gets screen time

[spiral goblet]

Paimon from genshit impact. after that experience you never gonna hate any character ever again cuz you lost your ability to feel hate below anything that isnt on paimon's level.

so i personaly dont rly hate any character in this game, i simply just dont care about them at all

and yeah no screen time anyways thats also a thing

[umbral lintel]

The game’s story is pretty basic ngl

[neon needle]

I don't like Airona very much....

[spiral goblet]

indeed as it is the case with literaly every anime style MMORPG

[subtle hound]

That and personality

Personally I don't like Darya

[subtle hound]

Why

[neon needle]

Likes to take the praise, unknown background and doesn't tell us much about herself.. lets us do all the dirty work [but that's like everyone lol]

[spiral goblet]

fair point tbh

[topaz obsidian]

Does Starshine oil replace potion of they can be stacked together? asking because they both have same duration

[subtle hound]

They can be stacked I think

[topaz obsidian]

I guess I'm gonna commit the "fudge around and find out" phase

[subtle hound]

Lol

[subtle hound]

Hmm I'm not sure she likes to take the praise and we'll find out about the background later tho she has a good personality and care about us

[subtle hound]

Who's your favourite character?

[neon needle]

Don't really have a favorite .. for personality .. for looks it goes to Boyce lmao.

[left marlin]

They dont stack

[subtle hound]

Lol

[subtle hound]

And which character do you like the least

[subtle hound]

Did you try

[left marlin]

Yup, you?

[subtle hound]

Where do we check if they stack or not

[umbral lintel]

your buff bar

[subtle hound]

Ok ty

[neon needle]

I mean.. other than the obviously evil ones.. the 'good' characters I don't have a favorite or one I hate. :p

[subtle hound]

What about Darya

She rob people and beef with Boyce

[quaint ermine]

MADA

[neon needle]

I like her design but she's sus. Need more info on all of them anyways.

[topaz obsidian]

Thank you

[plain valley]

Question for the tanks… What stat do you guys prefer for your food? Armor or Endurance? (not considering DR bonus)

[wraith stag]

Are you by chance a HG

[wraith stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1438555395151888534/1465736167629521048/image.png?ex=6984bcae&is=69836b2e&hm=afb8e9bb5714a70c71881529c0e06cafcdddc5871addf2311cf4b09e413f6bc1&

This a good chart

This is the only "dry" week

[umbral lintel]

only thing happened this week are the lvl 2 life skills 😔

[wraith stag]

yeee thus the dry week content wise

[umbral lintel]

oh btw this chart have the gear refinement dates wrong

[wraith stag]

gasp

[wraith stag]

Just wait for 140 gear

been 3 hrs

569560 before

700k after

so roughly 44k per hour full afk

[sullen bobcat]

i dont see how this is different than what I said

[wraith stag]

I don't see it as not having content o.0

[runic storm]

Sigils get higher drop rates so it won't really matter if you farmed early

[wraith stag]

I see it as having more content than s1

It's the same gameplay loop but more content

I don't see the problem with that?

[runic storm]

Besides the weekly selector

[wraith stag]

Isn't that every mmorpg

[sullen bobcat]

m1 is the exact same as m20 except for hp/damage

unless they changed it this season, which is doubtful

[wraith stag]

Ehh M1 you kinda ignore all mechanics no?

But

I don't see the problem with that either

it's difficulty modifiers

many games, even the old ones like WoW or Dragon Nest had difficulty modifiers

[sullen bobcat]

+2000% hp isnt new content

i dont play other games

[wraith stag]

I don't either o.o

[sullen bobcat]

i havent in the past either

nor do I know much about them

[wraith stag]

oh

I see

[sullen bobcat]

as far as Im concerned, we have 6 dungeons and 3 raids upcoming that get slightly harder versions over time

for like, 6 months

[wraith stag]

4 Months

But I disagree different perspective

But I get your viewpoint

[runic storm]

It's pretty much s1 you just get roguelike like an extra

And content a bit harder

Mechanic wise

If you waiting for feedback to be implemented

That's s3

[wraith stag]

yaa

[runic storm]

At least lunar n valentine event soon so

[sullen bobcat]

yay more cosmetics to buy for a limited time

[runic storm]

That's what global ask for so

[plain valley]

No, I’m asking from an economic/trade perspective. Supply and demand

[runic storm]

Giv more cosmeticsTM

[sullen bobcat]

i suggest not making food if you want money

[runic storm]

Sell rocks if you want money

[wraith stag]

I think the main differing in opinion is, some people see harder difficulty modes new content and some people don't.

To me 6 dungeons and 3 raids with varying levels of difficulty is already enough content, that's plenty especially for a new MMORPG ( more than many of them ) not even going into events or the roguelike.

[sullen bobcat]

i can be fine to say raids are new content but m1 being the same as m20 aside from hp/damage is just ridiculous

[plain valley]

While yes, ores are good money guaranteed… My analysis is showing far superior options (at least early on)

[runic storm]

Then do your thing

It won't matter long term

[sullen bobcat]

why dont you ask the hg and sk channels what they prefer

[runic storm]

[plain valley]

Nah, long term the markets Fd

[warm mural]

Does China have the next part of the story and Master tier of life skills?

As in the 3rd tier like with Season 1

[runic storm]

I made quick money in gemcraft in s1 then dipped to smelting n now I dig rocks

Do w/e you think is best

[sullen bobcat]

i crashed the emerald market asap

[runic storm]

Food is high rush high reward but low demand

[sullen bobcat]

when lv2

only 400 of my emeralds didnt sell

[runic storm]

Ocean users ain't getting food until like m20, unless they carry friends or do sub minute farm runs

And that's your major target for food

[plain valley]

Yeah, Might just throw out some bait.
If it sells, maybe I restock, if not I just won’t make more (not gonna hurt to see)

[vivid thunder]

did they fully scratch out the dark mist one

[lyric musk]

how do i get far sea as an f2p?

[pure nacelle]

neat part

you don't

[spice isle]

which one is better veno or BL ?

[main latch]

I mean in m1/m6 you're allowed to ignore a lot of mechanics and less punished for not knowing or doing things and things just die fast

So plenty of people when I helped for m16 clears, didn't really know what actually doing the fight entailed.

[lyric musk]

i just wait for a better gear?

[pure nacelle]

be very smart about your luno and imagine progress

[spice isle]

for my shield knight

[pure nacelle]

ideal progress is to flip everything on the market and not spend your luno otherwise

[main latch]

you can get the 100 version for looks eventually but to actually be usable? doesnt happen really

[pure nacelle]

relying on people to carry you for your things

[neon needle]

10 hours of afk'ing today. 331813 xp total [excluding the exp from dailies]

[pure nacelle]

and then when you amass 100m luno

you convert that into your farsea

for context that will take you approximately 20 months on just focus

assuming you max out luno income

[main latch]

90 day timer on resales w/that GL

[pure nacelle]

i mean

there are ways to flip around and there are items that are always in demand

just because there's a 90 day doesn't mean you can't do it

just saying

[main latch]

main thing is buying cheap gacha out and sell later but like

w/o monthly card perks

your gains might be eh

[pure nacelle]

gains is gains when you're gated by daily focus as an f2p

otherwise just pretend ocean doesnt work

and just t5 your stuff and 666 purple and then call it a game

[main latch]

I mean more so the problem as f2p is despots on things that dont sell high when time to flip

[pure nacelle]

wait

is s1 episode 2 all the way til the end of towering ruins

[main latch]

praying we actually get a valentine event let me swipe for cute heart theme'd weapons and/or outfit pls

[lost forum]

a cupid outfit

probably

[runic storm]

you will find out on the 9th/11th when CN gets theirs

[main latch]

do you think it will be that late?

[runic storm]

its confirmed to be those dates

[main latch]

the christmas stuff got teased what 8 days prior?

oooo

[runic storm]

on the cn server notifications

[main latch]

ty!

I didnt know that

[runic storm]

they got a road map

limited gacha lunar outfit on the 9th too

[main latch]

yeah I saw that not my type of outfit, I'd rather get current gacha outfit or next

[runic storm]

get both like me

[main latch]

I dont have funds for 3 gacha outfits w/o massive luck

but pretty sure I burned my luck on the idol outfit

[lyric musk]

what exactly does it mean

to be p2w

max imagine?

[runic storm]

ocean weapon, majority t5 imagines, 6/6/6/6 modules

[pure nacelle]

you spent money

[runic storm]

[pure nacelle]

pay 2 win generally is a large margin

but basically paying enough to have a significant advantage

[lyric musk]

6 module? like, gold?

[wraith stag]

This, to me M1/M6 is the same as "hard" difficulty is right now

[runic storm]

6 like the level

so 20/20/20/20

[runic storm]

Idol fit was worth it

[lyric musk]

i dont get module having level ;-;

do u mean having 4 maxed attributes?

[lyric musk]

Ohhh

[main latch]

I mean like spending only difference maker realistically for m20 try-hards

[runic storm]

no such thing as p2w until pvp content

whales r ur friends

[main latch]

its more like p2fashion

[main latch]

reallll

you can get 6/6/5 modules w/luck though as f2p

[lost forum]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-jugger-nuggets-gif-19032506

[main latch]

but 6/6/6 is a

I have like 5 different EF combos that one step short of 6/6/6

[runic storm]

[lost forum]

gurl you trying to be a hybrid

like damn

[runic storm]

I just life wave through content since s1

unless am on heavy guardian

then am kinda just winging it

[lost forum]

let me slide this in here

[runic storm]

no dmg stack or life wafe

BASED_HANDS

[lost forum]

sadly those are cooked on my modules

[runic storm]

o7

[lost forum]

they give me 10 but with shitty random stats that doesnt even work

[runic storm]

life wave alone provides so much stats that I just run it as the only lv6

[lost forum]

so this is the only one that beats everything

[lost forum]

i mean you are with 2 level 6

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

[runic storm]

thats the s2 upgrade

s3 am getting 2 lv 6s

after I get my dmg stack for my sub specs

playing 3 specs pretty hard with this module economy

[lost forum]

sooo trueee

[lyric musk]

realistically speaking

are we supposed to be srsly worried for EOS

[main latch]

no

[lost forum]

people say that cause there are no players but in reality they are only looking on steam

and not on other platforms

[main latch]

the first BP died cause the gameplay & game systems were lowkey ass & too generic

[lost forum]

but the way it looked

LORD HAVE MERCY

that would be too good to have those graphics again

[main latch]

it doesn't take THAT many players and spenders to sustain an MMO

[lost forum]

plus its own by Tencent soooo

the games from them dont even die

[lyric musk]

omg is that kinich

[lost forum]

they are the parent company

[lyric musk]

cyrene?

[main latch]

Yeah my icon is her

[lyric musk]

pfps i mean

:DD

[neon needle]

game borked x-x restarted computer, reinstalled steam, reinstalled bpsr.. nothing

might be steam that's borked x-x

[main latch]

it might be steam again

[neon needle]

yeah I think it's steam x-x

it's okay.. I didn't need to do dailies or anything.. x-x

[main latch]

yeah it is

I can login on mobile fine

[runic storm]

simply dont log off

[neon needle]

I didn't have a choice.. it froze on me lol

[runic storm]

[quartz sigil]

if you never log in, it never logs you off

[neon needle]

well I think that's why.. though why Seattle is bugged out.. uh..

[tawdry pier]

why i cant remove players from the guild if i have permissions

[lost forum]

you have to change them to members

but

if you drag the bar where you see the thing you can remove them

its hidden

[tawdry pier]

oh lets see

[lost forum]

yeah it was something I dont understand why that happens

@tawdry pier drag it

it can act up sometimes

[tawdry pier]

Yeah, i see it but it says that i cant perform that action, but i have permissions

[lost forum]

yeah then you have to remove them

and change it back to members

[tawdry pier]

OH MY GOD

Thanks

u are god

[lost forum]

trust me even I have to deal with this as a sub leader for my guild xD

[tropic fog]

im no getting any loot or exp if in coconn party, bug or feature?

i can use healer but whats the point in party then?

[quartz sigil]

🤔

show evidence

[tropic fog]

i mean look in system log....

[quartz sigil]

oh yeah let me just log in to your account real quick

just show pictures xD

even a video would be nice

if u want comparison, i am getting exp

[tropic fog]

cursed video, there you go

[quartz sigil]

did u try logging out and back

ok i saw u got exp

[tropic fog]

well cuz its i hit it

[quartz sigil]

also yes, you dont get xp if you dont hit it

thats why everyone is a healer

[tropic fog]

ehm, point of party?

[quartz sigil]

monster hunt

taxi

[tropic fog]

guess its "fixed" now, kek

[quartz sigil]

elite loot chest

it certainly is dumb that we dont get xp in a party

[wraith stag]

I know it was already answered but just adding additional context

You need to either heal someone who hit it, hit it yourself or have the enemy target you

Being in a party does nothing ( Monster hunt doesn't even work for cocoons )

To this day I don't understand why people party for these things

[tropic fog]

i can think only of jumping back on needed line when cooldown off, but maaan

[wraith stag]

You know what it's time to do...

[tropic fog]

party leader accepted you that means he agree to share xp and loot, isnt that enough of consent for contribution

[bold heath]

how do the mobs even die atp

holy leech

[wraith stag]

LMAOO

[bold heath]

are u rly 67 pls tell me where u afk

[wraith stag]

LOL NO I WISH

[tired ingot]

dang you that old?

[wraith stag]

this is from last season getting people to 3650

[tired ingot]

i hate this system. almost everyone is a lifebind now

would have been better if it was like other games where if you are in proximity and in a party, you get loot and exp

[wraith stag]

me who was a lifebind since s1 emblem farming:

https://tenor.com/view/you-couldn’t-live-thanos-endgame-back-to-me-you-could-not-live-gif-16221515858415007908

[wraith stag]

Pov: you submit to the new raid boss

[olive kiln]

I'm level 60 and finished main quest what do i do now?

[quaint storm]

where is this dude? Is this quest bugged or something?

[neon python]

It's a guy that's dressed a guard. He should be to the left of where you're facing in this photo (near the black elevator thing)

[short coral]

Hidden among these, there are proper healers... don't underestimate the power of Smite

[bold heath]

ye smite turbo broken but i think i see lifebind skill casts only

[deft knoll]

Hello I'm new here and in - game are there and other redeem codes the still work?

[short coral]

I'd bet you can see these waves. They are quite similar to LBs ones

[zinc badge]

anyone know how rorola imagine effect works? is the dmg % part of alll the other dmg% or is it separate final dmg %

[bold heath]

naw not looking for the wave

their hands

lifebind is dead giveaway'

[short coral]

Well, the people up on the rock are only lifebinds... Smite just moves no matter what you do xD

or it could be smites with LB skills

but you still have an occasional marksman between all these

but look, here's two more smites

[robust widget]

Hey yall quick question !! How do you increase your illusion strength? Is it through getting better gear and reforging it? I'm just a little confused, I'll take any tips I can get 🙂

[manic matrix]

Afaik the only sources of IS are:
-Deep slumber psychoscope (through the imagine slots)
-Leveling up the season level (+7 per level)
-Gear reforging

[robust widget]

Okay and one more question (probably an obvious one) but how do I level up the season level? Is it through quests?

[gentle totem]

You get season level exp by doing daily season hub activities, gaining exp from completing monster hunt log and completing s2 quests

Your biggest source of exp to level up the psychoscope tree will be the daily activity exp

Afk farming is super tedious and not worth it for the exp alone imo

You should be afk farming for factor drops and sigil shards not the exp as it's super inefficient

Youll gradually level just playing the game daily, and everyone will be similar psychoscope tree level once new area/quests come out

So dont feel the need to afk grind with your pc on 24/7

[robust widget]

thank yall very much!! ❤️

[bold heath]

say that to the level 64's

[olive kiln]

@sand dust

[trail bane]

wtf this game keeps crashing and when it does it force closes my browser and deletes cookies so i have to relog in everywhere....what in the hell....
( I have no such settings in place )

Literally just happened again xD

Game is freaking out - sat doing nothing and cpu is 25-50%, games using 6gb ram and gpu at 80 % xD

chrome is about to crash again as its struggling to load a new tab....

[opal patio]

how do i see which type of verdant oracle i am

[trail bane]

both game and chrome have been reset but its still freaking out....

Profile

[umbral lintel]

Check your profile

[opal patio]

ty ty

[lyric musk]

is there a macro i can use for auto boss farming? auto lines and all

[umbral lintel]

no

[tropic fog]

How the heck there is already +60/+65? i tried to afk for 8 hours - didnt even get 1 lvl

oh season pass i see how to win stimen 30 now

[umbral lintel]

season pass dailies give you 800k per day

you gotta afk farm the rest

[tropic fog]

i mean its supreme boost + 10 lvl of pass

[umbral lintel]

supreme only adds 10 lvls to your battlepass level, not your dream lvl lol

[tropic fog]

what is activity merits +20%? its not exp?

[umbral lintel]

this thing

basically its useless since its so easy to hit 500 merits per day doing regular shit anyways

[tropic fog]

so its its really only afk farm?

[umbral lintel]

yup

[tropic fog]

its like in meme, while you fishing - your "enemy" gets stronger

[hidden ingot]

Oof -- that's one is going to be harder to get one. Got to tell the players that quit to reinstall the game

[wraith stag]

wha

[tropic fog]

nah

[wraith stag]

Oh my bad, I had just woke up and was so confused haha

[olive kiln]

guys im at lvl 60 now how do i progress?

[wraith stag]

SEA server or GLB server

[opal patio]

what do toys do?

[balmy sleet]

what to do with old jank like this

[umbral lintel]

nothing. itll stay in your inventory forever 🙂

[balmy sleet]

I wish we could sell it for bound luno at least

[umbral lintel]

they cause special effects just for fun

[balmy sleet]

The cute reading pose toy is cute

[scenic grail]

what BP gb size now?

[scenic grail]

damn mine 50 might need to reinstall

[umbral lintel]

steam or their launcher?

[scenic grail]

launcher

[umbral lintel]

yeah you need to go inside the game folder and delete the older versions

[wispy flax]

u can erase the game 1.8 version

[umbral lintel]

since they for some reason dont do it when you update

[scenic grail]

oh i see , just need to delete that then , TQ TQ

[quaint storm]

thanks👍

[tranquil remnant]

did these events give gear boxes in global? i want to min max my purple lines but boss farming is kinda boring and slow while finding an m6 spam team is hard cause everyone else is chasing mastery points rn

[wispy flax]

but it took longer to buy the full price one via loom, and the option to run with bots is available for SEA next week

theres limited amount that u can buy with half price, was 10 box or something

[manic matrix]

We had 5 level 80 select box for 400 flowers each I think ? Then unlimited for 1000

With how little the event dungeon gives, not really worth it unless you plan on running it many times

[bronze comet]

how many days for the returner event to appear?

[neon needle]

game/steam still borked

[drowsy oyster]

are we getting 140 gears this monday?

[patent dagger]

Think you need be offline for 14 days

[main latch]

yes though dungeon roll out gradual

[tropic fog]

why crusade give reputation to s1 area? any way to farm rep for s2 area?

[neon needle]

because wbc was from s1 and they didn't update

s2 is daily comms [and quests]

[hybrid bison]

Is this correct? the only difference between the recipes is a 2% chance for extra shards

[sullen bobcat]

it does seem like it's correct

you get 0.01 more shards on average ✨

[neon needle]

finally got it fixed t-t 13 hours later.. a complete steam uninstall [again], reboot, fresh install from website, then reinstall bpsr [again... ]

[sullen bobcat]

the main difference is that it's a guarantee of the drop you wanted
if you needed both from a dungeon, then it's faster to run through it a bunch of course, but if you only need one piece loom is faster
even so, you can semi-afk loom and you can't with dungeons (aside from kanamia I suppose)

[neon needle]

For loom just get a healer to carry you lol

I carried lots of people :3 It was fun.

[reef berry]

even with the new smelting stuff i still get x1 per craft

such a scam

[plain valley]

Is anyone else having issues with mob grinding, where 5 minutes after starting the grind, (either steam or launcher), the game decides to just stop responding?

I’ve had no issues leaving my PC on continuously since S2 launched, so why the issues now???

[umbral lintel]

you need to smelt hundreds of ore before you notice the savings. 😂

[reef berry]

fr

[plain valley]

Not true… You should be getting 40xp per ingot

[reef berry]

but if you’re watching it smelt you’ll see a hunch of x1

[reef berry]

huh

[umbral lintel]

we're talking about output, not xp values

[reef berry]

refinement mats give me x120 exp iirc

[plain valley]

Ohh, Just 1? I haven’t tested focus smelting yet so I guess I’ll shut up 🤐

[reef berry]

no its not 1

[umbral lintel]

i dont bother with focus smelting anymore. i just use free mats to lvl my refine lvls

[reef berry]

it shows they increased the rate to get more but on average you still get a bunch of 1x

thats what we were memeing

[umbral lintel]

whats the current percentages for the new ore now? i havent checked it. i simply just sell all the ores i mine

[plain valley]

Where can we actually get a value for that data? Aside from just estimating an average from our own results…

[trail bane]

theres a dude

https://discord.com/channels/594431022188331008/1416463987155009688

[plain valley]

No, that’s outputs for non-focus life skills. I meant focus related life skills

[trail bane]

You sure?

[plain valley]

I’ve been helping him collect S2 data for that guide, so I’m sure

[trail bane]

@plain valley I get the game hanging in the big afk areas too - Shaman in particular.

Crept up in frequency over time, seems to be when the cameras close and theres a load of things going on at once.

Game using 3.6 ram now but goes to 6 there

[plain valley]

Hmmm 🤔 So maybe if I turn off all effects and set the graphics to min… ? Worth a try tonight at least

[drowsy oyster]

how do you guys farm friendship points now

[trail bane]

50 per with bots after capping stones - any other idk, I always have absolute minimum of the currency since day 1.

[neon needle]

I don't really bother with friendship points

but running w/ bots is probably best way to farm.. [makes no sense]

[plain valley]

Even better way, party up with an alt of yours (preferably one with a sprout) and boot up a normal dungeon with the bots…
Get yourself friendship points, and complete some challenges while you’re at it

[neon needle]

I'm going to be dragging my returnee alt through some dungeons at some point soon here for hidden achievements X'D

[trail bane]

Running with bots is also mind numbingly boring and buggy/broken xD

[neon needle]

Nah it's not that bad :p Except for ones where not doing the mech = you die.. that's kind of annoying.

[plain valley]

Did you get one of those hidden trophies as well? I thought I was losing it when I received a previous non-existent trophy achievement

[neon needle]

Not yet but I know there are 2 for running with returnee's and my alt qualifies for that so x3

[plain valley]

Yeah, I got the returnee #1… Then I noticed there’s supposedly 3 other achievements hidden under the same tab

[neon needle]

Yeh you have to aggro stuff for the bots to wake up/turn on. X3

[neon needle]

There's 2 I think. 3 non-hidden ones for newbies and 2 (possibly 3 though?) for returnees.

[plain valley]

I wonder if one of those hidden ones is worth a gold trophy… 🤔 maybe?

[neon needle]

there's a serious lack of gold trophies so far so I hope so T_T

[plain valley]

There’s enough to max out the season title without spending on the will, and without farming 320 dungeons with a friend… but yeah, there’s not much of a margin there

[wheat elk]

S2 still lack gold tropies? Yikes.

Should have different options.

[neon needle]

16 by my count

[plain valley]

Yes, 16 we know about, 14 needed to max out the season title without - correction, 13 needed

[neon needle]

pretty sure there were more last season

so you had more options

and I'm not a fan of hidden achievements

[plain valley]

I think it’s cool to have hidden achievements in single player games, if those achievements require you to do something normally players would never do (resulting in funny gameplay moments)

[neon needle]

I wouldn't mind them so much in a single-player

but when they're part of the season armband.. please don't hide them XD

[umbral lintel]

Wait there were hidden achievements last season?

[neon needle]

no, this season

[short coral]

They are preparing us for the future where our only friends are bots

[wheat elk]

Nah, bots are probably our sworn enemies.

[drowsy oyster]

if im to afk gloomy cabbage, is 1360 the minimum? or can i do it at 1311 with a party

[wraith stag]

0 is the minimum

That's what we did when we were severely under the IS

[neon needle]

rip that sacrifice below

[wraith stag]

LMAO

[drowsy oyster]

is this afk or did you just stay until the elite died

[wraith stag]

afk

o.0

I am so confused

Why is

Meowlux card

1.5m in the shop

when

You can just buy a random costume head / back

for 1.3m

and dismantle it

And get the same x1 card

Or buy a costume / mount for 4.3m and get 5 cards

[trail bane]

Manipulation and deceit

[wraith stag]

https://tenor.com/view/alonzo-mourning-gary-payton-miami-heat-epiphany-realization-gif-22141573

[umbral lintel]

players are bad at math

anywho i think the trading center is kinda cooked for f2p

prices on focus goods keep bottoming out

[trail bane]

86% gpu to stand still xD

[wraith stag]

my ore farming is dying T.T

[umbral lintel]

is this on high settings?

[trail bane]

ye but still xD

Memory leak creeping up - at 4.8 now

[umbral lintel]

players arent holding the line. they keep trying to undercut one another

[wraith stag]

i need to look into whats profitable later

[umbral lintel]

im pretty sure its still ore but it sucks lol

[wraith stag]

DAMN IT MY PARLAY

[trail bane]

surely best profits dont suck

[umbral lintel]

it sucks that profits are dropping steadily is what i mean lol

[robust leaf]

Where can i submit Level 1 or 2 Starforge crystals for higher level one?

[trail bane]

class change npc

[fossil grove]

how do I gonna track Rorola's buff ?

I didn't see her buff on screen

[wary mist]

Is there some sort of exploit going on that is allowing people to put things on the trading center less than the allowed price? It is ruining competition

[umbral lintel]

check under the boss's hp bar

[umbral lintel]

nah its just the devs injecting shit

they'll deny it of course

[fossil grove]

this one ?

[umbral lintel]

yeah

[fossil grove]

so only boss I can track q wq

[wary mist]

Injecting wills is kind of evil lol

[main latch]

no, there is an undertalked about feature in the pricing system is tied to orb consignment sales

so variations occur due to median price of that shifting

[umbral lintel]

so basically inflation

but in a game

smh

[main latch]

more so counter against it I think since luno to orbs is taking luno out of the economy

[wraith stag]

This

there is no dev injection

lol

[pine salmon]

Each item on the trading center has an internal "rose orb" cost, and then the Luno price is obtained by multiplying that by the consign exchange rate (probably the median of the orbs sold over some timeframe).

For example, the max price of a Meteorite Mech Shard is "21 orbs" or 498 x 21 = 10,458.

However, if the median price of an orb goes up to 499, then the max price will increase to 10,479 and so on.

This feedback is uninformed:
#feedback message
#feedback message

We really do need downvotes or at least threads to refute some of the dubious feedback given there. Doesn't do devs or players any justice to have low signal-to-noise in that channel. Any chance <@&1372169443110813706> could modify?

[neon needle]

community notes needed for feedback

[idle saddle]

While every piece of feedback is seen and valued, not every piece is implemented. Devs know bad feedback when they see it (usually)

But also that’s channel permissions so it would need to go further up the chain than us, so I’ll propose it to the bosses for you

[pine salmon]

"every piece of feedback is seen and valued" > I'm referring to feedback like this, that is factually incorrect:

STOP INJECTING STUFF INTO THE MARKET

The Trading Center NEEDS to be CONTROLLED BY THE PLAYERS and NOT the Developers... It is so annoying when we are unable to sell any of our stuff because your undercutting us. I'm forced to sell it at 28,685 while your undercutting me at 28,628 and added basically 9,999 stock so now I won't be able to make a dime off of these orbs for the foreseeable future. YOU ARE KILLING YOUR GAME.

Even Twitter/X has "community notes"

[idle saddle]

Every piece of feedback being seen and valued just means the devs DO read the feedback and people who submit good feedback are appreciated.

But, again, devs can usually see bad feedback and won’t implement it

Just because someone types “Tina is too tall, she needs to be 3’10” doesn’t mean the devs are gonna say “well it’s in the feedback channel so we gotta do it”

[pine salmon]

I just feel like people shouldn't be able to throw 💩 down the laundry chute, even if someone is down there to clean it up

[idle saddle]

Well I passed it along to introduce threads st the least so yall can dunk on eachother

As per request

[pine salmon]

looking forward to verbal pvp

[idle saddle]

True endgame

[neon needle]

I'll be ready with the popcorn

[pure nacelle]

how often can you water hydrangs

[primal acorn]

3'10"? she needs to be 6" so she cant fit in the pocket xD

[raven zealot]

I know I am blocked but lmao believing that there is no injection in this game is just willful ignorance at this point

If you want the most damning example, it’s mist chests being printed nonstop as soon as nightmare ice dragon released, ~45 being listed all in the same time window

[shell loom]

Dev injection has been known since the betas and CN talked about it 😭

[raven zealot]

Even consign is manipulated to some degree

[tacit flame]

PVP happening?

Mist chest is 100% Devs injected. It never down 45 and stay around 50 consistent

[raven zealot]

Week 1 of launch I (and others) had orders for millions of luno being fulfilled extremely quickly despite the extreme improbability of that much currency legitimately existing in the game

[wraith stag]

It wasnt dev injection though

It was fisherman injection

devs actually had a statement saying they didn't inject anything

[raven zealot]

Bokura never has stated they don’t inject. Only Aplus has and it was widely considered to be laughably false

[shell loom]

I don't remember them making a statement like that

respectfully, I don't think APlus has anything to do with this game on a technical level

[raven zealot]

Global had like what, less than 10 people banned for 10 years of exploiting?

Definitely them printing mists

Not to mention that you only have 1 unstable a day to rig

[shell loom]

They mostly copy whatever Bokura does, so them claiming that they (APlus) don't inject could just be on a technicality (Bokura's system does)

[wraith stag]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-prove-it-that-is-good-syndrome-that-is-good-can-you-prove-it-gif-3968039632851007679

[wary mist]

Thanks for this detailed explanation

[raven zealot]

There is no other explanation for ~45 mists being constantly listed on the market 24/7 since they were available in season 1 other than the system artificially generating them

The droprate isn’t remotely high enough to support it even with 1 million players

And you can only rig unstable once a day, on top of the exploit to do it being known by very little players

Also, didn’t people get access to the test server in global and the market there was also printed to hell and back with no players

[shell loom]

as a market speculator, there have been 3 major items that were clearly injected. The first was within the first few weeks when skill books were injected (especially for popular dps classes like stormblade and marksmen), where up to 500 books were just put into the market at once, the next was with the ores used for refinement, and lastly the wills back when we had shortages

Those were all early on in the game, so it was easier to see when they zeroed out and then got topped up

[wraith stag]

There's a statement for the "500 books" already that debunked it

[shell loom]

what's the statement?

[wraith stag]

I don't know about the ore

will is fisherman

[pine salmon]

For sure I have always believed that Mist Chests are injected by devs, since suspiciously, they've been removed from Notice - Growth Items.

However, I have yet to be convinced that other items are injected beyond Mist Chests

[wraith stag]

Was in news channel or something back then, they said they had nothing to do with the books and the system instead threw a bunch in at the same time listed by actual players

[raven zealot]

Nobody who actually understands how the game works believes Frankie’s statement, not to mention that the publisher nor the developers will obviously never come out and explicitly admit injection exists

[raven zealot]

Books were very blatant at launch

Even happened in beta

[shell loom]

oh I didn't believe that statement because when I was doing the same book one after another, they would get listed at different times

[wraith stag]

If anything this has the best evidence backing it yeah, everything else makes no sense for me, just people screaming injection xD

[shell loom]

I just assumed Frankie was making stuff up bc they didn't know the internal systems

[pine salmon]

You don't think books could've simply been due to tens of thousands of players opening Basic Star Chests?

[wraith stag]

oof

[stark turret]

its always that one dude with the trust me bro source lol

[shell loom]

sry Frankie 🙏

[raven zealot]

No, not in the quantities and time frames books got listed

Beta was the most egregious

[wraith stag]

@.franki-

[shell loom]

furthermore, it was very clean numbers

[raven zealot]

Like we had 10k beta players and that’s not even concurrent?

[shell loom]

whole clean 100s

[raven zealot]

But suddenly hundreds of books started appearing at once

[wraith stag]

I never saw clean numbers, I saw many many random.

Plus

clean numbers would be odd regardless of how you look at it

Because it means nobody, not even whales bought any

[raven zealot]

Mists and throne golds came in consistently clean numbers

[wraith stag]

So that doesn't really explain anything either

[shell loom]

yes, that is why it is especially suspicious

[raven zealot]

Everything else has a set range

[shell loom]

when you suddenly see 500 books pop up

when there were 0 before

[wraith stag]

Well I saw something completely different xD

[shell loom]

and then you see like 57 sniped in the first 5 seconds

[raven zealot]

Modules for example definitely got injected but the number wasn’t consistent

I remember day 1 of modules, I cleaned out every tank module, and suddenly like 200 got listed at once

[wraith stag]

Ores used for refinement was botted unfortunately

I have evidence of that too

[shell loom]

oh yeah I've seen the ore bots recently

the new accounts all mining

[raven zealot]

Ore botting exists but I doubt it’s enough to budge the market as much as injection, nor does it explain injection below min price

[pine salmon]

You can't "inject below minprice" that's the price of the orb inflating

[shell loom]

it happened in CN, even when taking the inflation into account

[raven zealot]

Also mists got removed from notice due to a recent update to make it harder for people to script them

[shell loom]

I know a lot of players in #feedback are kind of dumb by saying, "OMG the old 17 hour ones are 1 luno less"

[pine salmon]

Do you have a screenshot?

[shell loom]

but in CN, it was actually true that newer quantities had lower prices

[shell loom]

let me find in the database server

[wraith stag]

There's a really obvious and logical explanation for everything people claim is injected besides possibly the ocean weapon material chest, so yeah I agree with that being plausible but everything else is just heresay and extreme speculation/doomge imo.

At least, I haven't seen any solid proof of there being any actual injection going on, and we even have a developer statement saying it's not so... I'd rather have some faith in that rather than cope with a conspiracy with flimsy evidence at best.

[raven zealot]

Frankie is not a dev

[shell loom]

Frankie is more of a community role

[wraith stag]

oh

[raven zealot]

He’s a member of an understaffed publishing team who almost certainly doesn’t have the complete know how of what’s going on with the game’s systems

[shell loom]

ok I couldn't find screenshots in database quickly, but I did find other reputable CN people who have stated it was true

this is from Chishiya

[raven zealot]

There are no devs here, the devs are all in China and do not communicate directly to global

[shell loom]

dang me using Chishiya as evidence 😭

[wraith stag]

To be fair

that just sounds like people getting and selling it

lol

Omg next day ( reset )

Unstable dropped let me sell

[shell loom]

they've also talked about other items

[raven zealot]

People noted injection happening even after they increased trade cooldown from 7 days to 30 days

In the first month of China launch

It’s also not the first time a Chinese game did this

[shell loom]

regardless, I'm not going to argue too much with friends about injection. I think there are a lot of other issues with the market that makes it clear that they want players to spend money in the game for most aspects, and not enable regular means of earning currency

[raven zealot]

[shell loom]

lower trade cooldown 🙏

[pine salmon]

I feel like the timing and volume of stuff arriving on market does not definitively prove injection. Other than Mist Chests, I'm still not convinced.

For all you know, they could implement the market in batches / waves of neat amounts, so it's more efficient to send updates to all the players.

For reforge stones, if 5000 players do 2x unstables, that's 10k rolls, you would only need a 10% drop rate per unstable to see 1000 stones listed on market...

[raven zealot]

I’ve said it before that the systems are deliberately designed to frustrate you into spending

It’s not to “prevent burnout” from grinding

Not enough reforges? Swipe. Behind on refines? Swipe

Missing a bit of luno to get something because daily life skill and guild turn in only gives so much? Swipe

[shell loom]

can't pass Stimen Vaults floor 30? Believe it or not, Swipe

get gatekept? Swipe

[pine salmon]

Some of the stuff they simply don't need to inject, like refines, players craft plenty of those.

Some of the things that could be injected, like Muku Chief wills, are seemingly not. Although, you have a gacha avenue for swipers for that, which makes them more money

[shell loom]

However, will and imagine materials have other avenues of acquisition

[raven zealot]

They inject the starforges

[shell loom]

By injection, Bokura would directly compete with their own will gacha and 400 rose orb imagine mats

[raven zealot]

This is why they barely inject wills if at all

[shell loom]

Furthermore, I have not gotten a single imagine mat mystery store appearance (with reroll from the season pass) for S2 thus far

It's very clear that they've either removed or lowered the rate for those appearing in mystery store significantly

also on a side note, I am cooked by everyone making meteroid mech shards. It's the 2nd day we could've made them, and they're at min price already

gg

everyone and their grandmothers saved >50 lifeskill pots and saved 2000 focus

[wraith stag]

ive got 5...

[pine salmon]

I highly doubt it, I think players are selling starforges and not enough people are buying

[wraith stag]

this is just rng

LMAO

[shell loom]

😠 give me 2

[wraith stag]

This, theres no point in buying anymore with converting

[pine salmon]

why bother injecting starforges when there's already thousands from players?

[shell loom]

do you guys think it's because they want me to spend my rose orb savings

[wraith stag]

like u can buy a lvl 2 for 28k
or
you can make one for 4k and useless mats

[wraith stag]

omg fund me

[shell loom]

I've been saving since S1

[wraith stag]

omg 15 mil unbound luno

[shell loom]

no one wants my mech shards

😔

[wraith stag]

omg 32m luno in costume

ocean incoming

[shell loom]

wait can I

afford ocean

32m?

[wraith stag]

no but ud get it way sooner!!

[shell loom]

maybe level 100 soon

when level 180 comes out for S3

[wraith stag]

we have like 40 rn

39 iirc

[shell loom]

40?

[wraith stag]

then ud basically double it

LOL

[wraith stag]

yeaaa

[shell loom]

I'd rather double my cosmetic score

I'm ngl

[wraith stag]

LOL

[shell loom]

I could increase it by 50% right now

but if I sell them for 6.3 mil in profit, I can double it with the newer outfits only

[raven zealot]

Because tradeable ones don’t drop often enough and the bound ones you get aren’t enough to max the system out, not to mention the droprate is weighted towards level 1 lol

And refining is not 100% success

Nor is it mathematically worth trying to make it 100%, so people don’t do it

[pine salmon]

So the devs inject starforges at the bottom of the price range?? Doesn't make much sense to me, they make less money injecting at the bottom vs at the top

And all the starforges are minprice for a while now. Pretty sure its high supply and low demand

and the anecdotal evidence is you can look at players like #feedback message who have bags with many unsold starforges

[wraith stag]

Anyone who says they are injecting starforges is just flaming.

[wraith stag]

Like it's just an insane lack of critical thinking for anyone to come to that conclusion

I refuse to believe anyone is actually thinking that and instead choosing to flame and fake being oblivious

[tardy arch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rain-face-down-totoro-gif-7201821

Only way I can beat mirth now is if outfits start getting reruns lool

[pine salmon]

Any Chinese knowers have an idea how "roguelike" = "meat pigeon"?

[still jasper]

HOW DO YOU HAVE SO MUCH

[tardy arch]

Hoarding since day 1 + battle pass and monthly card

[still jasper]

Sob

[shell loom]

60k

[tardy arch]

It's nothing special lol I've just been mining and selling my ores since day 1.

[grizzled cliff]

cough nerd.

[umbral lintel]

a community mod saying this is wild 😭

[raven zealot]

They were injecting them at the start when people needed them in mass quantities

And at max price

Obviously now there isn’t a need to mass buy level 1s and 2s

Like, have you not paid attention to starforges in s1 selling out when refine uncaps got raised, and suddenly tons more would get listed at max at the same time

[hallow sedge]

u got me, i was farming then and selling it

[raven zealot]

[pine salmon]

If by "injecting" you mean the devs can look at their metrics and see they have XXXX number of players who are rolling for drops, and they can set the drop rate on the backend at Y% so they can be confident that a certain number of drops will be listed on the market, then yeah I agree they could be "injecting" starforges

[raven zealot]

What

[hallow sedge]

i’ll come clean too. i was fishing and sold all the glints for whales. your welcome

[pine salmon]

Unstables, boss keys, and elite keys drop tradeable starforges. If you play multiple alts that do unstables, boss keys, and elite keys, you'd see just how high the starforge drop rate is (relative to demand)

[raven zealot]

You severely overestimate the number of people playing alts

[pine salmon]

Sweaty players, especially f2p sweats, fill their homestead with alts for food and potions

[raven zealot]

Also this does not explain starforges being immediately listed in mass quantities after they got sold out post-weekly resets where refine cap got raised in s1

[pine salmon]

Do you think devs were injecting Meteorite Mech Shards too? Or just player supply vs demand?

[raven zealot]

….and how many f2p sweats are there with multiple alts doing all possible tradeable starforge content lol

[pure nacelle]

Meteorite definite injection

[strange furnace]

Idk if you all have played sea.

[raven zealot]

I don’t get the mental gymnastics some of you are coming up with to defend an unscrupulous developer doing something that the entire Chinese server unanimously acknowledges as happening

[pure nacelle]

watched a friend buy the mechs out and it'd just get injected with hundreds more

[strange furnace]

But I was playing sea and everything on the market there is min price.

[raven zealot]

No no no, it’s just the alts!

[pure nacelle]

and then itd sit at that same amount consistently

[raven zealot]

[pure nacelle]

like growth doesnt just spike back to a flat number and stay there

same with mists and etc;

[raven zealot]

Also like 150 meteorites listed day 4 or so of s2 when you couldn’t make them

[pure nacelle]

you would see a consistent growth in mists and not plateau at 50

[raven zealot]

[strange furnace]

I mean if it’s not injecting then what is it?

[pure nacelle]

and if a whale dumpster bought all the mists

[raven zealot]

There are people here claiming it’s not injection but real players and their alts lmao

[pine salmon]

Do you realize you're playing an MMO with thousands of players (even at lowest population) and many of those players are crafting lifeskills to sell...

[pure nacelle]

then the market should stay at 0

[strange furnace]

No other way to explain why 42 glints always would reappear on the market whenever they are sold out. In the exact same quantity.

[raven zealot]

Life skill =/= to shit like starforges

Or stuff you can’t even make like meteorites at the start of s2

[pure nacelle]

meteorite mech shards before you could craft them is the argument

[pine salmon]

Mists I can see an injection argument
Meteorite Mech Shards, ain't no way

[strange furnace]

And the meteorites when we were unable to craft them. Being put in the market.

[pure nacelle]

not now

[raven zealot]

You literally could not make them before week 2