questions-and-help

[neon needle]

just run with bots. They became available for M6 on Monday.

[amber pendant]

i have almost full level 80 gear

and a level 70 weapon

[wraith stag]

21k is plenty

[amber pendant]

[wraith stag]

i mean

if they wanna run witb 26k let them

[neon needle]

yeah people are insane

[wraith stag]

ehh

[neon needle]

25k+ for normal dragons

[wraith stag]

not rly that crazy

[peak temple]

it is crazy they just do it because they can

[wraith stag]

The problem is more so F2P should be 27-28k if they played since day 1

[peak temple]

there are a large enough number of ppl looking for said content at that AS

[neon needle]

.. on what planet? lol

I'm not f2p and I'm not 27k

[wraith stag]

Did you max emblem

[shell loom]

Im 26.5k since day1 player too

[wraith stag]

see ^

[peak temple]

dawg not every1 treats this as a 9-5

[amber pendant]

idk my main is 25k, but i spread out so i have a mage at 23k

[wraith stag]

You can't have it both ways

This game you only need to play like

1-2 hours per day

[amber pendant]

if i didn’t split i’d prob be higher but i cant main healer with everything

[fresh bolt]

i mean afking for 9 hours is not 1-2 hours a day

[wraith stag]

After that there's quite literally the timegate people cry about

[peak temple]

emblem is not 2h a day

[wraith stag]

Are you playing the game?

No

So that's a horrible argument lol

[peak temple]

not every1 wants to leave their game running for 10h

[wraith stag]

That's their own fault

[neon needle]

I repeat.. demanding 27k from people at this point is insane. Unless you're doing NM runs it's not needed to be that high.

[civic wigeon]

I think you can get emblem to max without afking overnight

Especially with those purple ones

[wraith stag]

It's inflated and quite high yeah, but all they are saying is essentially "We want other day 1 players / tryhards"

[heavy flint]

dailies only take 30m, so if youre afk farming for the rest of that time you should reach the weekly soft-cap for void mats

[wraith stag]

^

[civic wigeon]

Can just get 100 before soft cap every week

[wraith stag]

Having max emblem isn't that hard

And it's a free 3200 rating

[neon needle]

3129 rating

[wraith stag]

But to finish what I was saying...

[peak temple]

is that skill score from imagines

[neon needle]

No

[wraith stag]

He's a better example than me ( my friend Mei )

He had 26.5k before even finishing NM raids

100% F2P

Crafting the new gears pushed it even higher

[vast bluff]

u see that

[wraith stag]

I personally do 20k+ for M6 because I like helping others, but my point was more so not everyone wants to do that

[vast bluff]

until the whole team composes of 24k

[neon needle]

Point is it's insane to demand such high scores for stuff that was cleared with 20ks

[vast bluff]

I onced joined a 27k ... apparently

[peak temple]

ur not obliged to accept lower AS people than what ur aiming for

[vast bluff]

they all turned out to be 23/24k

smh

[peak temple]

ur making the party u decide what u want after all

[wraith stag]

HA

^ Agreed

[neon needle]

It's why I hate public groups XD

[wraith stag]

While I personally do 20k+ I don't really call it "insane" for people who want to run with players at their rating XD

I don't see that angle, it's kinda

extremely normal in mmorpg's

[peak temple]

but its still important to have people willing to accept lower AS players otherwise player influx dies

[wraith stag]

hard agree ^

[neon needle]

I don't like gatekeeping when it doesn't make sense. If you're doing nightmare runs, then yes higher score makes sense.

But for normal dragon? You do not need 25k+

[peak temple]

the issue wouldnt be so bad if the lower AS parties were better, at least they'd have a better shot at clearing

but unfortunately this game has a lot of hollow skulls and they all concentrate at lower AS

or auto afkers, goes both ways

[wraith stag]

It's not gatekeeping

[neon needle]

It is gatekeeping T_T

[wraith stag]

I don't know why this community uses that term and considers it so

But if you go to other MMORPG's people would more so meme this

[neon needle]

I mean you're entitled to your opinion :p

[wraith stag]

It's fact :P

[neon needle]

Nah

[wraith stag]

Party leader gets to set their requirement

If they want to run with whale only they can do so

It's not gatekeeping it's called being a leader

[neon needle]

Still gatekeeping

[wraith stag]

It's really not

[neon needle]

When the score jumps for no reason just because new gears were released, it's gatekeeping.

[quartz sigil]

🤔

[heavy flint]

if people arent getting into parties bc they dont meet the req, then they should just form their own. problem solved 😮

[wraith stag]

^

I can't believe people think getting more geared = gatekeeping lmao

[neon needle]

I just don't join public parties. I'm still allowed to not like the behavior.

[heavy flint]

why ask for the carries when you can prog with others

[short coral]

LFG nightmare bone, can't have vowels in name

[peak temple]

u can set high AS req for normal dragon but its a very clear sign that you do not want to help anyone whatsoever

ur still in ur freedom to do so

[wraith stag]

^

[void jacinth]

Lol it's not gatekeeping

[peak temple]

just that there is no convenience/safety argument

because normal is piss easy alr

[neon needle]

If you're raising the score on something that was easily completed with a lower score, for no reason, it's gatekeeping or you want a free carry.

[quartz sigil]

i just dont want to run 2 hours moment

[wraith stag]

Yeah we cleared with 15k but it took ages

don't wanna do that again

leaders can make their own reqs lol

[peak temple]

the world if you could check party leader AS 😔

[neon needle]

normal dragons don't take 2 hours even with newbies pre-level 80 gear

[peak temple]

13k gs making dragon party asking for 26k

[trail bane]

At the end of the day people should respect others decisions on how they want to play. If you dont agree with it then you have a choice to not apply and find your own way....... It shouldnt be a big deal.

[void jacinth]

New players aren't entitled to be carried just because they are new

[neon needle]

Who said carry?

[wraith stag]

Agreed

[neon needle]

Again, if it could have been cleared easily before the new gears were dropped, then you don't need to raise the score required.

[void jacinth]

Everyone in the game should be 22k unless they are new, you have people with alts at 21k already.

[wraith stag]

I think what people don't understand is

[neon needle]

... yes and people are demanding 25k+ for normal dragons

[wraith stag]

People want to clear faster

[quartz sigil]

[void jacinth]

Okay?

[wraith stag]

Like

again

[vast bluff]

LMAOOO

[wraith stag]

I run with new players all the time because I like helping but I can understand that other people just want fast easy clear

[quartz sigil]

Gatekeep is by banning people with leaves

[wraith stag]

^ better term

[heavy flint]

its not the requirement but more so the convenience. sure it was possible to do it before with that amount of power, but why struggle when it's easier now?

[neon needle]

You can want faster clears, that doesn't mean I have to like you?

I'm allowed my opinion just as much as you all are. :p

[wraith stag]

having a gear req isn't gatekeeping it's just absurd lmao

[quartz sigil]

😳

[trail bane]

@neon needleThats ok isnt it ? Dont join them if you dont agree. If you are right and they are wrong their party wont form and they will considering lowering the requirements. OR it might work and all the people involved were happy,

[neon needle]

It's not a struggle to do normal dragons with 21-22k ...

[peak temple]

yea we get it u believe we should at least be considerate

i believe so too but most ppl dont care and they dont have to

[neon needle]

Yeah that's why I just watch people crying over and over in world for their high reqs :p

[wraith stag]

I've seen 25k parties fill up in seconds so it really depends XD

[peak temple]

again they can do it because theres enough ppl looking for that content at that AS

you will never have shortage of players wanting to join

[trail bane]

I think people are just scared of being left behind when they see high gs party requirements. Like the thought pattern is " Oh no every party is going to want this now as a basic minimum , whatever will i do?!"

[wraith stag]

THIS ^^^

this so much

People get demotivated or are introverted / antisocial / shy etc

[neon needle]

My daughter is left out of public groups, unfortunately, and it's killing her urge to play.

[wraith stag]

And don't want to make their own parties

Everyone wants to join groups but nobody wants to make them XD

Then when they see people say 25k+ they assume

"dang that's what I need"

[trail bane]

Everyone is capable of making their own party with their own requirements - truth is for alot of people its too much hassle ( Me - i like to join ready made xD )

[neon needle]

it's really only a problem for raids, because of the sheer # of people required and matching not working 99% of the time.

[peak temple]

the reality is that theres a very easy solution which is just to be unethical and make ur own party regardless of ur AS 🔥

[wraith stag]

^

[peak temple]

15k? demand 30k

easy

[shell loom]

The famous 21k party leader demanding 28k AS

😭

[vast bluff]

like no shot? I was 16k making a party back when we were doing m5

[peak temple]

if you do not want to do that get a friend that is willing to

[trail bane]

Smart players profit - thats how it goes

[vast bluff]

I finished all m5 at 16k with incorrect gear

just make yourr own team

[wraith stag]

To prove an argument I had earlier, I actually made an alt little over a week ago

[vast bluff]

[wraith stag]

It's already around 22k rating

I did leave it void farming

purple drops feel amazing

[vast bluff]

emblem score

[wraith stag]

But I only played 1-2 hours per day in total (including my main) and missed some content

didn't stimen etc

[fresh bolt]

i dont think emblem should give any gear score, its useless outside of like high master dungeons

[wraith stag]

And instead of using all resources I funneled lifeskill stuff through homestead

[peak temple]

doesnt it reset in S2 anyway

[trail bane]

Ai cat dances should be banned - imagine how many old people they have bamboozled xD

[wraith stag]

it does reset in s2

for the new system!

[short coral]

Can I join your group that needs 22k score?

[peak temple]

get ur imagines ready 💀

[short coral]

I promise I am a good healer

[wraith stag]

LMAO

be lifebind

and ppl wont notice the difference

:^)

[short coral]

xD

think they will

I heal for like 1k

[heavy flint]

im pretty sure you can even get to like 25k just with purple 80 gear

[wraith stag]

"I went from invincible to slightly less invincible omg"

[vast bluff]

eh

people die?

TANK？

[short coral]

like geez, I wonder whats wrong with my heals

[wraith stag]

I'd believe it

[peak temple]

brute force healing

0 brains all brawn

[wraith stag]

LOL

[peak temple]

like how u snap bones back in the right place

[short coral]

Imma punch you so hard your hp will go back to positive

[quartz sigil]

just amputate them

[neon needle]

I don't think purple 80s will get you 25k. I'm just over 25k with all but 3 slots yellow 80s XD

[quartz sigil]

😳

[heavy flint]

acupuncture healing

[trail bane]

S2 inc :p

[peak temple]

punch for more than 2.147B dmg so it overflows into negative dmg = healing

[wraith stag]

IKR

I like how we had like 20~ minute argument that all started because of uhh

[neon needle]

as scores

[wraith stag]

this XD

what class is your alt

[trail bane]

• discussion *

[short coral]

I think I prove how misleading can AS be

[wraith stag]

Still better than master score

buuuuuuuuuuuuuut while we are still somewhat on the topic of AS

[heavy flint]

new master score is just too easy

[wraith stag]

There's alot of people who

intentionally say stuff like

LF > Dragon Raids 29k GS

[heavy flint]

its not as much of an accomplishment like the old m5

[wraith stag]

yeaaa

I haven't even felt motivated to do them

[neat folio]

its the same difficulty as m5

[short coral]

what about master score?

[wraith stag]

no it's way easier

[neon needle]

that's because higher gear + the m5's were artificially inflated.

[heavy flint]

m5 u used to get 1shot by everything

[neat folio]

if you did it as lv60 gear

[wraith stag]

We did it in 60 gear

[heavy flint]

im ready for m11+

[wraith stag]

This is still way easier than M5 was

:thinkpika:

[neat folio]

no its the same then

[wraith stag]

I mean

[neat folio]

in fact mist is way harder

[wraith stag]

My entire group thinks of it as way way easier

what

[heavy flint]

m10 rn is equivalent to like... m4.5

[wraith stag]

^

[short coral]

-# awh, I tried so hard with my master seal and nobody even giggled

[neon needle]

M6 dungeons were so easy with level 60 gear after event ended

[gusty mica]

everything was easy to m9

[wraith stag]

It's waaaaaaaaaay easier than M5 no way it's the same or harder XD

[gusty mica]

m10 is somehow more juiced

[wraith stag]

and mist for us waas way easier

it's one of the few m10's ive actually tried

:thinkpika:

[neat folio]

im talking about m10 no one cares about master score below 3.1k

[vast bluff]

~26 would be averge this week i believe

if u max everything out

[wraith stag]

I'm talking about M10 too ?

Did you miss it?

[short coral]

If you have a problem with Mist, apply cheese directly to the forehead

[wraith stag]

lol

[neat folio]

mist is the hardest dungeon rn

[heavy flint]

goblin m10 is way easier

also tina

[wraith stag]

Iunno about the hardest can't really say because I only did 3 of them

but I mean, we beat mist on first try but failed tina

idk XD

[neon needle]

tina and mist both tough

[wraith stag]

ok fair

[short coral]

I'll just leave this here

[primal acorn]

It's a toss up between Tina and mist for hardest

[wraith stag]

LMAOOO

ASHEN WITH THE OP PIC

[heavy flint]

i think the hardest to get max might be kanamia?

actual dps check

[wraith stag]

It's probably not wrong too, M10 legit feels like

around M4 level

[quartz sigil]

mist is buggable so its hardd for me to actually give feedback 😆

[neat folio]

kanamia without bugging the boss is pretty hard to max, its either that or mist

[wraith stag]

Kanamia was buggable too

Oh no

not bugging the boss

[heavy flint]

idk how the bug happens so i've been doing it legit

[wraith stag]

you could bug the timer ( It's been fixed so i can talk about it now )

[heavy flint]

the highest ive gotten is 532

[solar remnant]

Ero_Huh

[wraith stag]

Play Aerial
Fly over the barrier
Cutscene pulls party members in ( timer doesn't start )
Kill everything without pressing the button to start timer
Take boss to 1% HP
Start timer

OMG WTF SO OP 1 SECOND RUN

[heavy flint]

?

is that real

[wraith stag]

Ya

[heavy flint]

or am i being pranked

[wraith stag]

It's real i'm serious HAHAAH

I saw it be done before and left the party out of fear

but

it was bug fixed

[vast bluff]

when i stop getting sovereign shard is when im at cap for today right?

[short coral]

that sounds too specific to not be real

[vast bluff]

from killing world boss

[short coral]

yes

[vast bluff]

(I did get a purple gear tho)

[wraith stag]

I think it was in the patch notes too

[vast bluff]

no sovereign alloy but i got a purp gear

[wraith stag]

Just didn't go into detail

[vast bluff]

do i continue

[heavy flint]

theres another bug that stops the boss from soul annihilation & spears... im not sure how it happens

[wraith stag]

this is the only reason i brought it up now LMAO

[short coral]

There is a certain category of scenarios. I like to classify them as "I bet this used to be a bug at some point".
I think this will be a great addition.

[wraith stag]

XD

[vast bluff]

[neat folio]

even with this bug, half the groups fail the dps check

[vast bluff]

LMAO

wait how?

[heavy flint]

thats the only reason why i got 532 before

[vast bluff]

I mean how is it failed

[wraith stag]

I might be desensitized because we have a really strong group

[vast bluff]

does kanamia have a hard wipe

[neat folio]

i mean fail for max score, they ofc kill it in time for completion

[vast bluff]

ah

[wraith stag]

but I swear M5 traumatized me in 60 gear ( we didn't have 70 weapons either )

while m10 didn't give me trauma

[heavy flint]

yea nothing really wipes u unless your tm is actually trolling

[short coral]

You mean you didn't enjoy Tina oneshotting the tank because a marksman left his auto on?

[wraith stag]

LMAO

thankfully our marksman doesn't auto

[vast bluff]

i mean is there a point other than just wanting to max m10

to max itrn

[heavy flint]

no

[wraith stag]

self accomplishment!!

shiny number

[dim fable]

sorry to interrupt i have a question on buri mech related to reforging

[heavy flint]

not even enough for 3500 yet

[dim fable]

is better to mine and craft it or just buy from trading center

[short coral]

some people just max it out cos they are too good they can't do lower score :|

[vast bluff]

[short coral]

It's definitely not me, but I know a healer that I'd bet can outheal Tina's spear

[shut harness]

just flex or self accomplish

[gusty mica]

should be a seperate award for peopple completing perfect runs, give them something to grind for

[ebon matrix]

The "touch grass" reward

[vast bluff]

[heavy flint]

guaranteed gear selection box at max score

[gusty mica]

could be like anything, new boarder, cosmetic, weapon skin

[vast bluff]

I’d like to believe m19/20 cannot be completed f2p unless u have a whale team

I think I read about it somewhere

[vast bluff]

Hence so said perfect score reward is just for the whales

[shut harness]

i think even whales couldn't max score m20' on every dungeon in cn

[gusty mica]

its just additional content for people to do really, pretty sure im just gonna get gapped past m15

[short coral]

"Feel free to spend more" reward

[wraith stag]

Watch this

the boss still had like

20% hp left too

:^)

[vast bluff]

On m20?

Jesus

[wraith stag]

ya

[vast bluff]

I mean as long as f2p can get the mount

I have no complaints

[wraith stag]

iirc mount u only need 16

[short coral]

I don't understand it, so I will assume they deal 36k dps.

[vast bluff]

[wraith stag]

add a 0

[vast bluff]

That is 360k

[short coral]

the number says 36

[vast bluff]

367

[short coral]

[wraith stag]

36W!

[vast bluff]

Yes

[shut harness]

with 10k behind itb

[wraith stag]

^

[shut harness]

36 * 10k

[short coral]

Watts have nothing to do with damage

[vast bluff]

36.74 万 is 367k

lol

[wraith stag]

LMAOO

[quaint ermine]

I hate the conversation

like my brain gets confused

[shut harness]

it's so awkward

especially with money

[short coral]

get some proper numbering system

[quaint ermine]

Cause US goes off thousands but CN goes off 10k

[short coral]

dividing by 100s... that's just silly

[neat folio]

im pretty sure the rest of the world also goes by thousands

[quaint ermine]

I feel like I see 万 in Korea and JP though

[vast bluff]

Shyy tho

That’s some crazy damage

[short coral]

Didn't China have something like a.. "maximum amount you can spend a month"?

as a law

[vast bluff]

Like in Money? Or for the game

Wuh

[quaint ermine]

wuh

[short coral]

related to gaming

[quaint ermine]

no chance lmfao

[vast bluff]

No?

[shut harness]

no way

[quaint ermine]

CN whales are the craziest

[short coral]

I just read something along those lines somewhere...

[quaint ermine]

[short coral]

eh, whatever

[vast bluff]

I know someone who spent a billion in one month for where wind meets

[neat folio]

think you mean maximum playtime for kids?

[vast bluff]

[shut harness]

prob this

[short coral]

that one definitely is there, yes

[vast bluff]

This on the other hand exists

[short coral]

might be connecting it to something else

[short coral]

that sounds expensive

[vast bluff]

My house isn’t even that much

[quaint ermine]

my house also isn’t a billion

but that sentence makes it sound like a billion is easily achievable

[shut harness]

yuan?

[vast bluff]

Yeh yeh

Definitely not USD

(I wish)

[shut harness]

my house isn't near a billion either lmfaooo

[quaint ermine]

a billion yuan is still like

[shut harness]

what's the current rate? last i checked it was 7:1

[quaint ermine]

Someone do 1bil divide 7

Still an

Hard to archive number

[mental thicket]

did they release eu servers yet

?!!?!?!?

[quaint ermine]

there’s literally no conversation rn about eu server

[shut harness]

why would they

[quaint ermine]

and they announce their new servers a couple months beforehand for cbt

[short coral]

Your EU servers are hosted in NA. Go play.

[vast bluff]

gimme like 1:100 of that

[short coral]

Duck says Iranian Rial is the lowest value currency...
I'd take a billion even in that tbh

[vast bluff]

[short coral]

like... why wouldn't I take a year's salary, right?

[vast bluff]

??

A years salary in america is only 23k?

[shut harness]

ye

i make 21k a year

[vast bluff]

jesus

[short coral]

I am not in America

[quaint ermine]

ehhhh usually not that bad

[shut harness]

but Ashen is EU no?

[vast bluff]

oh well i saw USD

so

lol

[shut harness]

idk why he's converting to USD

[short coral]

yeah, well... it's a currency most people know the conversion to their local one

[vast bluff]

yes yes, i thought u were american cause u did to usd lel

[short coral]

I will use €$ next time, I am sorry

[vast bluff]

nono its fine

I just didnt know where u were so i assumed u were in america given the image

[short coral]

€$ it will be for the next one

[vast bluff]

like on avg?

thats crazy

[shut harness]

no and yes

it's a bimodal distribution

with clustering around 23k and 80ishk

[vast bluff]

just as much as i was surprised finding out the average in england is like 40k a year?

(dont quote on that lol)

[vast bluff]

ah

[short coral]

doesn't sound too off based on the offers I've seen

[vast bluff]

crazy

looks so weird to me

[short coral]

Entry level in Microsoft in the US gets paid the same as 15+ year veterans here

[vast bluff]

might be befoe tax

66k - 30% is around 46k

[quaint ermine]

it’s always before tax

wait tax is not like

30%

For lower income

[shut harness]

what does this mean?

[vast bluff]

is it not

usually its 30 i think

[shut harness]

look at the distribution

it's bimodal

hence an average in the middle of the two

[vast bluff]

Though I am aware the value of money is different,

[quaint ermine]

It’s based on income

Higher income has higher tax

[vast bluff]

Shocks me how little people in USA/England make

[quaint ermine]

Wait where r u Wei

[vast bluff]

I am in Australia

[quaint ermine]

AUSSIE

[vast bluff]

yis

[quaint ermine]

what’s ur guys average salary

[vast bluff]

People around me make like 100k/year

lol

[quaint ermine]

Bro I see some nice apartments in Sydney

for low rent

[neon needle]

jealous

[vast bluff]

I believe the average is 70k/year

[quaint ermine]

I’m jeaulous

[vast bluff]

after tax

[quaint ermine]

how’s the purchase power though

[vast bluff]

so before tax is 100k+ a year

[quaint ermine]

[vast bluff]

on average

[neon needle]

more jealous x-x

[vast bluff]

depends on where u live

[shut harness]

AUD?

[vast bluff]

Even major cities like Melb/Syd vary a lot

[vast bluff]

yeh

[short coral]

insane, right?

[shut harness]

gotcha

[quaint ermine]

Isn’t that

[vast bluff]

after tax

[quaint ermine]

The same

[vast bluff]

[shut harness]

[short coral]

Meanwhile I am here for $26k before tax and it's being called a "well paid job"

[vast bluff]

which is why im surprised everytime i see how 'little' u guys get paid

probably normal for where u live tho

[quaint ermine]

I mean talking about wage without talking about cost of living

is kinda pointless

[vast bluff]

[short coral]

the thing is... software/hardware doesn't care where you live

the price is the same

[vast bluff]

cost of lviing is alright here

I think

Depends on what area tho

[short coral]

oh, you want a new gpu? That's fine, just a full month of your salary, please

[vast bluff]

i think rent in sydney is 1.2k a week

so around 62,400 a year

LOL

[neon needle]

my rent is 1200/m and that's extremely good lol

[quaint ermine]

That’s not bad

[vast bluff]

its horrible

Glad im in melbourne

[neon needle]

62k/year when you make 100k is bad lol

[quaint ermine]

average rent in middle of nowhere US is 1.4K

[neon needle]

1.2k/week

for them

not monthly

[quaint ermine]

OH

Ty

[vast bluff]

LOL

[neon needle]

yeah ... :p

[quaint ermine]

I never seen rent in weeks

[neon needle]

Mine is monthly and that's good!

[quaint ermine]

So I ignored that

[vast bluff]

only on rent?

thats crazy

[quaint ermine]

Wait so ure telling me when I see those pretty apartments for cheap on rednote

[vast bluff]

average is 70k/year

[quaint ermine]

They were giving me weekly rent

[short coral]

Can you get me a remote job?

[quaint ermine]

[vast bluff]

yes

[quaint ermine]

GGED

what a bait

[vast bluff]

australia rent is always /week

[quaint ermine]

Bro I was like

800 for city view??

Sign me up

[vast bluff]

yeah

800/week

41k/year

LOL

[neon needle]

mine is 14.4k/year

[quaint ermine]

Kinda crazy

[vast bluff]

jealousss

[quaint ermine]

R u also Aussie Eien Mau

[neon needle]

No I'm in US lols

[vast bluff]

i mean i wouldnt know cause i buy my houses

[neon needle]

Rent is 60% of my income after taxes

[short coral]

you people can afford to buy a house?

[quaint ermine]

Oh 1.2k is good though

[vast bluff]

mortgage

[quaint ermine]

Is it a one bed?

[vast bluff]

is usually how people buy

[vast bluff]

my house?

[neon needle]

600 sq. foot 2 bedroom.

[vast bluff]

wuh

[quaint ermine]

No no eien’s

[vast bluff]

ohl lel

[quaint ermine]

600 sq sounds smol

but the rent is nice

[vast bluff]

wait am i at cap

or not yet

im confused

[neon needle]

it's one of the cheapest where I live that isn't income-assistance. that isn't sketch.

It IS tiny. and management sucks.

but moving is way too expensive lol and I don't want to live somewhere sketch

[short coral]

well... for a mortgage you need a deposit...
from what I have seen, I need only about 16.6 years of what I am capable of saving to be able to afford it

[quaint ermine]

Real real

[drowsy atlas]

Im going to be that guy. #chat-lounge

[quaint ermine]

I don’t get it

[short coral]

Do you see any questions here that need answering?

[shut harness]

wut

[neon needle]

new to this channel I guess. it's always been like this.

random chatter, arguments over silly stuff, and questions.

[vast bluff]

surprise surprise to u

[short coral]

the difference is that inbetween the random chatter, the questions get answered

[vast bluff]

it's always the people here u see

that's even active in this channel

[short coral]

like if I am in the chat lounge, I am not answering questions here. If we are all there, nobody is answering the questions here

[shut harness]

yikes lol

[short coral]

I also believe the Community Team would say something if it was a problem

[neon needle]

people gravitate towards a 'home' channel always

[vast bluff]

Though that aside, don't u guys have bread for like 1pound? lol @short coral

[short coral]

Idk... bread is expensive

[vast bluff]

oh is it

[neon needle]

good bread

is expensive yeh

here in us too

[short coral]

1.5€ for a normal bread

[vast bluff]

just bread here for us is 10 bucko

from bread shops

[short coral]

oh, I am talking the supermarket slop

[vast bluff]

thats around 6 buck

[short coral]

The small shops are even more

[vast bluff]

for us

[shut harness]

we have dollar bread slop here

but a decent loaf is like 12-13 dollar

😭

[short coral]

honestly, over license cost and hardware cost, I am skipping all breakfasts and half my dinners

[neon needle]

can get cheap Walmart generic bread for like $1.50

[vast bluff]

crazy

[short coral]

and if I do that enough, I end up with 50€ in savings per month

[shut harness]

wtf do you do for work

[neon needle]

now for some reason I want peanut butter and jelly T_T

[shut harness]

do you work for a company of doom or something

[quaint ermine]

He doesn’t check block messages

[shut harness]

that's fine

[quaint ermine]

which is kinda crazy

[vast bluff]

[quaint ermine]

Cause I check my blocked messages

[shut harness]

why

[quaint ermine]

Ashen better self control than me

[shut harness]

isn't the whole point of blocking just block and move on

😭

[quaint ermine]

When I’m not tilted I can open it

[shut harness]

why would you check after you block

[quaint ermine]

But it’s gone when im titled

[shut harness]

ah i see

[short coral]

Guys in the guild were discussing how much would the guild leader need to give them to boost the guild center construction

[quaint ermine]

if I’m in a stable mood it doesn’t matter

[vast bluff]

i think im just amused peole actually block others

[short coral]

most agreed on "wine and dine"

[vast bluff]

[shut harness]

wba

[quaint ermine]

yo I think the past 20 messages for ashen had been blocked messages

[short coral]

like... several course meal and whatnot

[shut harness]

what

[quaint ermine]

Cause he also blocked me

[short coral]

I was reading it... "guys... I'm fine with a kebab"

[shut harness]

he blocked you?!?

[short coral]

[quaint ermine]

I was the auto fish promoter that he blocked

I’m sorry ashen

[shut harness]

i'm also an auto fish defender

that he blocked

[quaint ermine]

No I think u got blocked for copy pasta tbh

[shut harness]

for saying it's insane for a non remote employed person to get to 20

[quaint ermine]

[shut harness]

nah

[quaint ermine]

You were blocked before that though

[shut harness]

i wasn't lol

cuz i looked at his portfolio before i was blocked

cuz i could still his bio

[vast bluff]

can u not after?

[shut harness]

no

[vast bluff]

oh

[shut harness]

you can't see anything except online away dnd or offline

after block

[quaint ermine]

This is the only message ashen sees rn

[shut harness]

you can't see mutual anymore either

[quaint ermine]

[vast bluff]

i realised

[shut harness]

i'm 99% sure ashen also uses a modified discord

[vast bluff]

after u said this

[shut harness]

so hide block messages all together

[vast bluff]

😭

[quaint ermine]

KEKW

[shut harness]

unless he just has an ego trip

to send "blocked" everyone someone replies

to one of us

[quaint ermine]

I think i got a valid block

[shut harness]

(this is also likely lmfao)

[quaint ermine]

He fishes for hours

His dislike for auto fisher is understandable

[shut harness]

yeah my block also valid

calling him unemployed fishing for 8+ hours a day

[quaint ermine]

And he’s clearly employed

[shut harness]

is he tho

[vast bluff]

aus when

i once spent 30 bucks on tomato

it was like 12 tomatos

[quaint ermine]

After you talked about annual salary

I thought AUS was chill

Now it looks expensive AF

[vast bluff]

LOL

[iron barn]

Has anyone ever calculated the yield you get for smelting refinment items using the different rarities?

Like which rarity is best?

[short coral]

Give me a minute

[quaint ermine]

ASHEN CALCULATION GOD

[iron barn]

Bless!!

[short coral]

well.. the best is the top tier material...

[shut harness]

best by far

[vast bluff]

@quaint ermine i think its pretty chill though

[iron barn]

oh yeh, just using top tier mats like Baru Pure Ore is best? So I am being dumb farming regular Baru Ore? Even though I have Baru Pure Ore unlocked?

[vast bluff]

Getting myself a new car in a few

and we have free healthcare

[quaint ermine]

A NEW CARRR

do u guys go in debt for cars

[vast bluff]

[quaint ermine]

[short coral]

The last material yields approximately 1.753 items per smelt. (assuming maxed smelting skill)

[shut harness]

yes

[quaint ermine]

In US almost everyone goes in debt for cars

[vast bluff]

uhhhh maybee some peole

im paying in full

cash

[quaint ermine]

So good

[vast bluff]

no finance

[shut harness]

you looking for roommates?

[vast bluff]

come roomie

[iron barn]

I just figured you would get less mining the rarer materials so I thought it is the same...but I did not know there was such a difference

[iron barn]

dam, I am a failure

[vast bluff]

finance = more cost on insurance

[short coral]

1.55 for the second ore
I believe you get the same amounts

[vast bluff]

can afford car, cannot afford insurance

depressing

[shut harness]

in america

[short coral]

but I am not mining, so I don't know that; can't confirm

[shut harness]

you typically get a year or two of free maintenance

for financing

[iron barn]

maaaaaaan sadge lol thank you

[vast bluff]

woah

[shut harness]

so i finance

then i pay off in full in first payment

kekw

[vast bluff]

LOL

[short coral]

and 1.35 for the first ore, just to finish it

[shut harness]

in america they give a better deal on financing too

[vast bluff]

I usually get free maintenance for a few years

and get a discount

[shut harness]

cuz they expect to make their money back in interest here

[vast bluff]

Speak with the dealerships

[iron barn]

bless the calculation god lol

[vast bluff]

[quaint ermine]

BLESS THE CALCULATION GOD

can someone tell the calculation god I’m sorry I won’t promote auto fishing again

[shut harness]

ditto

[short coral]

It's a really simple math, actually
in this example
1*0.68 + 2*0.29 + 3*0.03

[mental vector]

They change the drop rate?

I change for tank just to drop atk% and SOMEHOW drop al resistance 2 times a roll?

[shut harness]

what

i don't think rates are public anyway

so we wouldn't know if they changed

[short coral]

I don't remember ever seeing that affixes would be attached to classes in any way

[shut harness]

some people say they are

including mods here

but those mods backed off after we said provide a source 😭

[mental vector]

I was using Wind Knight and wasn't getting any drops besides support and tank items. Logically, I should switch to tank and start getting DPS drops. Magically, that stopped happening from yesterday to today, and now I'm only getting tank drops.

[delicate ferry]

I thought class does affect purple lines, like frost mage literally cannot roll attack speed I think. lol

[mental vector]

If they changed, I'm happy. I'm going back to my main class and I'm going to have fun.

[tiny panther]

i mean it should be obvious for anyone that played the game

[shut harness]

if it is the case it's not documented

i get melee attack damage pieces while farming on marksman tho

so i kind of don't think so

[mental vector]

I doing on strg lane. Not magical, agility, etc

[pure nacelle]

wat the

huh moment

i dont think ive ever seen a melee piece on marks

or a ranged pc on sb

or cast speeds/matk ever

[shut harness]

i've gotten ranged on sb :/

[tiny panther]

@royal fog can you share your wisdom on how many im going to get

[royal fog]

285

[tiny panther]

can you make it higher

[royal fog]

[wise ridge]

I know you didn't ask for my wisdom

But its going to be 196

[tiny panther]

HOW

am i going to fail crafting

[delicate ferry]

failing the craft be like:

lollll

[trail bane]

@tiny panther didnt you only just do 200 crafts? ;/

[tiny panther]

i have pots

lots of pots

had like 64 or something

[trail bane]

64 is a magical number

[tiny panther]

indeed

crafting this many is gonna take like 10 mins

[royal fog]

no fast crafting?

[tiny panther]

fast crafting

[royal fog]

oh shi-

thats some goose rate

[tiny panther]

you were a bit off

[pliant cove]

Anyone knows how much score difference between tier 5 SR and SRR imagines?

[quaint ermine]

Dang I missed the guessing event?

[tiny panther]

yea :<

[shell loom]

isn't that like 680k unbound luno worth of items

[tiny panther]

yes a little more than 600k

im selling at 1914 so 673k

but with taxes like idk 630k

[shell loom]

with taxes probably closer to 650k

maybe even a bit more if u have monthly

[shut harness]

@shell loom do the math

would he get more or less

if he didnt craft

and just sold directly

[shell loom]

what's his per-unit price for the mats?

[tiny panther]

i do have monthly

[shell loom]

can take 20% off of that tax rate

[shut harness]

244 iirc

[tiny panther]

like 238

[shell loom]

idr what the base tax rate is tho

[tiny panther]

247 is max

but i'd probably sell at 238 cause too many at max

[shut harness]

244 * 8

[shell loom]

244 for the ores and 132 for the powder?

[tiny panther]

bro it's 247 :<

[quaint ermine]

I sell at 247 everyday

[shut harness]

powder so cheap don't count it

[quaint ermine]

it all gets sold

[shell loom]

they all get sold eventually

[shut harness]

but like

[shell loom]

always count powder

[tiny panther]

okay so say 247

[tiny panther]

i spent 300 focus on powder

[shut harness]

don't forget it's 30 ore for 60 focus

[shell loom]

._.

you're losing either homestead coins or bound luno then

[tiny panther]

maybe that wasnt a good idea

[shut harness]

powder is like 20 focus for 17

[tiny panther]

eh

these are infinite

[shell loom]

fair

count it as (247*11/2) for 30 iterations

[tiny panther]

:>

[shell loom]

technically 11.2 I think

[quaint ermine]

it’s around 1.4k per 10 when I did the math earlier today

with earlier results that extra send

and it’s pretty much the same as mining

[shell loom]

base cost = (247 * 8) + (1400)

3376

[quaint ermine]

What’s 1400

[shell loom]

this is for every mat created (20 focus)

[tiny panther]

it's 10 per

[shell loom]

oh wait

1400 isn't the powder gg

[pure nacelle]

what are you doing

[quaint ermine]

Kekw

[pure nacelle]

are you like swapping and counting that as ranged on sb

[shell loom]

someone else do this 😭

[pure nacelle]

or are you not swapping and staying on sb

[shut harness]

no

[shut harness]

yes

[shell loom]

why is your macbook rusty

[pure nacelle]

very strange and fishy

[shut harness]

2013

[shell loom]

gg

[pure nacelle]

my experience not matching up tbh

[stark turret]

is the stimens vault, steam achievement bugged? also clearing chaotic realm x 400 times, not showing up on my steam account

[shut harness]

steam achvimrwnrd buffed

bugged

[royal fog]

they buffed it?

dam

[stark turret]

oh ok thanks

[tiny panther]

are u gonna finish mathing mirth

[shell loom]

gg

[vestal crypt]

Anyone know what the Dec 5th events shop looks like?

[vast bluff]

does ping effect h speed?

[vestal crypt]

you mean toggling it?

[vast bluff]

if on h

does ping effect the speed at which your skills are casted

[trail bane]

Ping effects everything

[vast bluff]

A lot

I feel like I'm doing less damage than I used to

[vestal crypt]

Yah, it does.

But it shouldn't make content impossible

[trail bane]

I mean but H is pretty fast for me even on 100ms ping

[vestal crypt]

Unfortunately, some are playing at 200+ and that's where it really matters. 100 isn't that bad.

[vast bluff]

uhm

ok

[frigid horizon]

ping n fps both do, i think

[tiny panther]

i'd quit

[vestal crypt]

Yah, that's too high for you to remain competitive imho.

[trail bane]

try exitlag - does shave a bit off

[vestal crypt]

Ur not on a VPN are you? Cuz that will tank it too.

[vast bluff]

nope

istg they messed something up after maint

[shut harness]

i have 295 with exit lag

💔

[vestal crypt]

I moved halfway around the world for a couple of months and tried to play my NA account. I hit 300ms regularly and could no longer complete time trials I was able to do locally.

[vast bluff]

Imagine I swipe and I'm back down to 200

[civic wigeon]

What’s the best thing to sell from using stamina

[vast bluff]

[vestal crypt]

I'm doing embed gems, but I'm not sure what's meta. Gems are netting me a decent rate cuz whales are doing gem roullete right now.

[vast bluff]

I was on 200 before maintanence happened tho

Dunno what they did man

[wicked holly]

Aren't you murican?

[civic wigeon]

I can calculate but I really don’t wanna calculate everything like alchemy culinary smelting gem crafting mineralogy gemology

[shut harness]

i live in Hawaii

[wicked holly]

Oh

[vestal crypt]

Actually try to do the reverse Get on a VPN server close to u, relog and see if it improves it. Who knows. It might work.

[vast bluff]

vpn unfortunately

does not help

when your ping is this bad lol

[vestal crypt]

Does that count as murican (/j)

[shut harness]

we in hawaii don't count us

as say we are illegally occupied

but americans do

[trail bane]

I mean if you say vpn and exitlag doesnt help , maybe try your isp? That ping is super high even if you were far from the server.

[vestal crypt]

Wow an actual acknowledgement. I rarely see that.

Lots of heart burning there. Hopefully ur good in your daily life tho.

[shut harness]

thanks

[vast bluff]

doubt its isp

or maybe

actually

lol

though the download/upld speed is fine

[vestal crypt]

Reset router? Maybe u got connected to the non 5g version of it.

I remember that was one of the causes for bad ping for me.

[fresh bolt]

yeah you can ping google.com and if it shows only the ipv6 instead of google then that could be the case

[vast bluff]

i am on ethernet

[vestal crypt]

Is it coming directly through a modem or a router?

[vast bluff]

yes

[vestal crypt]

Rip then. I'm all outta ideas.

[vast bluff]

[shut harness]

nah servers

def got cooked

we get kicked out of dungeons and stimen way more now

[vast bluff]

yep

[fresh bolt]

it does feel that way for me

[vestal crypt]

Sometimes it's the only reason why I'm glad I live in NA lol.

We seem to get priority for servers.

Especially east coast.

[vast bluff]

at least lifebind exists

damn and I BIS my floorblade

Shit

[vestal crypt]

Ngl, I haven't ever noticed or cared about it since my main class is lifebind.

But I'm on 30ms anyways.

At least my dodges are nearly always perfect.

[shut harness]

i have 295

[vestal crypt]

Outside of animation locks.

I can never figure out how to get out of those.

[vast bluff]

Imagine they did this to push players to go to SEA servers

[vestal crypt]

SEA has servers?

[vast bluff]

almost launching

[vestal crypt]

Ah good. Separate from global?

Cuz that would suck for ppl who made accounts on global server.

[vast bluff]

yes

not going either way

[vestal crypt]

Rip yah. Wud lose a ton of progress right?

[vast bluff]

all m friends in NA/EU

lel

[vestal crypt]

Understandable. We had plenty of ppl from SEA in my first guild.

Really nice ppl.

But I moved to an NA exclusive guild tho.

Probably gonna stick to those in the future too. It's hard to organize raid parties in truly global guilds.

[vast bluff]

daz sad

did u always have

[shut harness]

no

i had 235 before one of the main tended

[vast bluff]

ah

i had 200 before the monday maint

sunday for some

[shut harness]

hg

gg

[vast bluff]

gg

[tiny panther]

has danny's DPS meter been updated or did my DPS drop to half for some reason

[trail bane]

ITs been splitting boss fights into stages for me

[shut harness]

probably the insane lag

is ruining your dps

[tiny panther]

im not lagging

feels like everyone else's DPS also dropped to half

[vast bluff]

cause it probably did

my dps got bombed

[fervent osprey]

why do i see people turning tiny in the beach sometimes, how to do that?

[shut harness]

potions

[fervent osprey]

which potion?

[trail bane]

go to the things on the beach and they will make you big/small/gold/silver - they closer to the shoreline