questions-and-help

[echo sun]

yea 32 per week

[grim mesa]

I cant count

Wtf

26+7 = 31 im dead ass stupid

[echo sun]

21 per week (3+4 -> 7x3 -> 21) + 12

= 33

[grim mesa]

Yes

[gritty wagon]

What to buy with rose orb?

[grim mesa]

Stuff in mystery store or imagine gambling

[subtle hound]

Ello

[gray arch]

What is 3+4?

[grim mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gambling-gambler-gif-572068894331490223

3 is normal raid

4 is hard raid

[subtle hound]

Buy will wish coins

Until you get the SSR you want

[gray arch]

but I can only go once a week

[subtle hound]

And everything good for your progression

[echo sun]

you do normal and hard each week

3+4

3 raids

21

[gray arch]

oh, you count the 2 new raids too

[subtle hound]

You do all the raids and you should have 50 throne

[echo sun]

+5 from honor store = 26

+7 (1 a day) = 33

[grim mesa]

oh wow reclaim only give 2

[subtle hound]

Sad

[grim mesa]

yeah no there's absolutely no way u get 35 throne gold WITHOUT any raid in a one week old account, i dont buy it

[echo sun]

you dont need reclaim shop

2 weeks

do raids

[grim mesa]

no

[gray arch]

let me check, it seems TW server hasn't opened 2 new raids yet

[grim mesa]

im trying to figure out the other guy saying he get 35 throne gold without doing any raids on a 1 week account

[echo sun]

just lying

[grim mesa]

yeah pretty sure its a lie

[subtle hound]

You can get 50 throne from a new acc

By doing all the raids

[echo sun]

how

its 33 max a week

[subtle hound]

You also get stuff from reclaim shop

[echo sun]

reclaim shop gives you 2

nuru just looked

[subtle hound]

More than 2

For new accs

[echo sun]

nuru just looked

[subtle hound]

The loot gives 2 but you get more than 1 loot

[grim mesa]

in 1 week is impossible no? Reclaim hub barely gives enough

[echo sun]

you get one

[grim mesa]

no

[subtle hound]

For new players?

[grim mesa]

it gave u 4, for 2 weeks that u missed

it either gave u 4 or 6

6 is max

[subtle hound]

Weird I made a new acc like 4 days ago and it already had 50 thrones

[trail bane]

People used new accounts to somehow get the 70 wep before everyone else

[echo sun]

theres no way

[grim mesa]

where the hell did people pull out the thrones from

[warm verge]

How long does it take to go from legendary level 60 weapon to level 70 mythic weapon.

[grim mesa]

i feel like im missing something

[subtle hound]

Lol I believe I got the 70 weap before new accs

[subtle hound]

Not long, if you do all the raids

[vapid valve]

I'm definitely forgetting something but like, I can corroborate getting a fuckton of throne golds on a new character (not new account)

[warm verge]

Can I just randomly join those or need to know people?

[grim mesa]

u sure u didnt miss a few days and started on a sunday?

[subtle hound]

New char = new acc

[subtle hound]

Don't think so

[trail bane]

@subtle hound just remember majority being at 43 with 2 days before reset and a minority had them then.

[gray arch]

12 people 15k AP is enough to clear the first raid on hard mode @grim mesa

[vapid valve]

yeah well, I've only done ice and bone norml

[echo sun]

i dont believe this is true without evidence

[grim mesa]

yeah

[subtle hound]

You can randomly join those but they have AS req

[grim mesa]

why are u tagging me? 😭

[subtle hound]

12 pro*

[echo sun]

?

you dont need pros

[grim mesa]

nah dont need that much

[subtle hound]

12 randoms 15k definitely can't

[grim mesa]

2-4 people that know mech to explain

[echo sun]

why not

lmao

[grim mesa]

and 8-10 people that listened

thats it

[warm verge]

What AS do I need?

[subtle hound]

Hmm maybe because I used to do it with full 17k and these randoms didn't do mech and got wiped 3x

[echo sun]

cuz they suck

[subtle hound]

Ye

So 12 pro not 12 randoms

[echo sun]

are pros the only ones that dont suck

[subtle hound]

Yes

[echo sun]

[subtle hound]

If you know mech you're a pro

[vapid valve]

normal modes you can basically outgear the mechs

[echo sun]

ok guess im pro then

[subtle hound]

Yes

[vapid valve]

except maybe light dragon

[grim mesa]

LIGHT

[vapid valve]

Because people are fucking stupid

[grim mesa]

MY GOAT

[subtle hound]

If you don't die and people has to use Airona you're considered a pro tbh

[echo sun]

light dragon is the best raid

[subtle hound]

Easiest

[grim mesa]

based

[grim mesa]

yeah

[subtle hound]

Mech only

[echo sun]

i dont care about easy or hard

[subtle hound]

DPS req is higher than bone

[echo sun]

its the best raid

[fresh bolt]

light dragon is how i get my vitamin b

[vapid valve]

it's funny now that all 3 raids are out I dread Ice Hard the most

[grim mesa]

100%

bridge is just annoying

[echo sun]

i dont dread any of them

[grim mesa]

not even enjoyable

[subtle hound]

Huh, Ice stays the easiest for me

[echo sun]

if bridge is annoying stop forgetting you can double jump

literally

the only reason you find bridge hard is cuz you dont jump

[vapid valve]

yeah but the problem isn't me, it's everyone else xd

[echo sun]

literally jump

[grim mesa]

i did not say its hard?

i say its annoying

[echo sun]

like anyone

[grim mesa]

out of all the mechanics on all the dragons

thats the most annoying one

its just a long ass bridge

[echo sun]

you can literally just jump over the obstacles on ice dragon

[subtle hound]

Then it's not because of Ice, if you had people failing ice at bone you would fail too

[grim mesa]

my guy im not saying its hard

think of a mechanic

that's more annoying than ice bridge

[echo sun]

im not saying you are saying its hard

[vapid valve]

Bone is a bit of a DPS check but I don't find that as terribly annoying

[grim mesa]

there's literally none

[vapid valve]

Ice is annoying

[echo sun]

im not even talking to you

im speaking into the aether

[grim mesa]

ah ok

[vapid valve]

why am I not allowed to dread something because it's annoying

[grim mesa]

i got a big ego mb

:>

[grim mesa]

you're allowed

cuz i hate ice too

[echo sun]

people suck at bridge cuz they forget you have a space bar

you move twice as fast

[subtle hound]

It's not really because of that

[echo sun]

everyone forgets

so everyone is slow

half the team freezes

[subtle hound]

Oh

[subtle hound]

Then ig I'm always playing with pros

[echo sun]

or its not a hard raid and its just the one that you can grief the worst

[subtle hound]

I find all raids easy now

[vapid valve]

ok this is ridiculous, 24 world bosses not a single drop

[subtle hound]

Just need to wait and see which is harder in Nm

[echo sun]

how is that ridiculous

[subtle hound]

Drop of what

[echo sun]

normal in my experience

[vapid valve]

of any gear

at all

[subtle hound]

Huh

[echo sun]

normal

[subtle hound]

Muku King?

[vapid valve]

a bunch, right now Tempest but I'm still filling out my slots with not Purple

jusat so I can get enough AS to get into hard modes

[subtle hound]

Tbh Muku King drops his weap box every seconds

[echo sun]

tempest doesnt drop anything

lvl 40 gear

[subtle hound]

18k AS?

[echo sun]

killing tempest before ur capped on kills is a waste

unless ur using a key

[echo sun]

wat

must have updated then

only kings are supposed to drop 60 gear

[compact lily]

they changed after lvl60 gear release

[subtle hound]

Wait you don't have all gold gear yet?

Did you start recently

[vapid valve]

I'm on my alt

[subtle hound]

Oh I see

I recommend you doing all the M1 once

[echo sun]

they did not change after lvl 60 gear release

[subtle hound]

Instead of boss farming

[echo sun]

it was only kings

[vapid valve]

still isn't enough lmao

[echo sun]

it must have changed soon after

[compact lily]

they did

i noticed first day

[echo sun]

they did not

[vapid valve]

yes they did

I've been farming celestial flier when 60 gear dropped for 60 gear

[echo sun]

flyer onward

wait where is tempest ogre

[gritty wagon]

does deaths affect your master rewards?

[vapid valve]

a line before ogre

[echo sun]

yes

[vapid valve]

it prob doesn't

[subtle hound]

I got to 18k AS from a new acc within 3 days because I rushed to lvl 60, unlocked all talents, did all M1, then started raids to unlock rune gears, obtained lvl 70 weap

[echo sun]

i believe you lose 15 score per death

[gritty wagon]

30 deaths

[vapid valve]

doing all M1 only gives you like... 5 pieces of gear

[subtle hound]

Lol

[vapid valve]

on M1!?

[subtle hound]

Yes but it doesn't matter you fill it up with rune gears

[compact lily]

taking too much time. just reset

[subtle hound]

And I was lucky since I got bane lord for 3 of my M1s

[echo sun]

this is just m1 you get 100 score in m1 max it doesnt matter

[gritty wagon]

this is auto queue I guess its understandable

[compact lily]

oh m1

then nvm

id like to verdant. smite or lifebind?

[echo sun]

smite for larger raids, lifebind for everything else

pick what u want

smite does damage, lifebind does not

[vapid valve]

you get 6 golds of 6 first clears on M1, one of which is weapon
so 5 armor pieces, really

[echo sun]

smite has uncapped heal potential

lifebind only heals like 4

or 5

[compact lily]

oh

[subtle hound]

Yes and you should get some bane lords

So more than only 5 pieces

[vapid valve]

I have yet to get any banelords in Master

[vapid valve]

like... since Master dropped.

[echo sun]

there is a cap on banelords

[vapid valve]

yeah like 5 banelords

[subtle hound]

You should get 5 bane lords per week

And your whole team shouldn't have done bane lord yet

But this shouldn't be a problem if you matched

[echo sun]

i dont think nourish is the skill im referring to

doesnt oracle also use nourish

er

smite

also 589 kanamia runs

almost at 600

[subtle hound]

Once you get like 7-8 gears, start the raids

To unlock runic gears

And it'll complete all your slots

With gold

[lavish lantern]

no

[vapid valve]

yeah but I'm short gearscore

[subtle hound]

How much

[vapid valve]

8/11 pieces are gold and I'm missing reforges

15k

[subtle hound]

15k should be enough

You do easy first

To unlock your first runic gears

[vapid valve]

I'm 2pc already.

[subtle hound]

Oh?

[vapid valve]

and fuck if I'm doing hard modes at 15k

[subtle hound]

Lol

[compact lily]

you can do hard rin with 15k

[subtle hound]

If you know mech it should be fine

[trail bane]

@vapid valve Go in - get experience of the fight and maybe even get carried. Nothing to lose.

[vapid valve]

another non-backreader, this is an alt

[subtle hound]

If you play well as a 15k it will perform like a 18k

[vapid valve]

not with shit substats I'm not performing on iai lol

[trail bane]

Alt or not is irrelevant i guess

[static halo]

Are focus potions worth buying from the mystery store if you the orbs?

[lavish lantern]

no

[trail bane]

If you already have the experience definitely get in content as soon as you are able to.

[echo sun]

if you dont mind spending money then always get them

if you do not spend money then dont

[subtle hound]

It's unbound rose orbs

[lavish lantern]

you make more money by converting your orbs into luno

than the most profitable focus activity

[trail bane]

@subtle hound 50 bound for me

[echo sun]

its exp

[lavish lantern]

spending 50 orbs on 1 potion

[subtle hound]

Then buy it 100%

Definitely worth it

[trail bane]

@subtle hound No im confusing the fing names again xD

[echo sun]

also its definitely unbound rose orbs

[subtle hound]

Oh lol

[echo sun]

focus pots are unbound in the mystery shop

the cost anyway

mystery shop scam on the right

never buy

they sneak in unbound luno as the cost

its not a discount

[lavish lantern]

i'd never spend unbound luno on revive candies, only bound

agreed

[echo sun]

its tricky

i dont think they meant to

[subtle hound]

Buy the bound ones

[echo sun]

but its set to unbound

buy the bound

stop getting the words confused >:(

[subtle hound]

Yes I always get the words confused

Lol

[compact lily]

chaotic evil

[subtle hound]

Should be locked/unlocked

[compact lily]

the same as bound/unbound

[vapid valve]

I did the DPS thing of running ahead of the tank and dying instantly, nice

[subtle hound]

Yes but bound also means money for me

[compact lily]

wdym

[echo sun]

what

[compact lily]

where are you from

[subtle hound]

I'm french

[compact lily]

a

[subtle hound]

So it confuses me

[compact lily]

wait you guys money = bound?

[echo sun]

isnt money in french argent

like im french but i dont speak it

[compact lily]

isn french using euro?

[subtle hound]

In some games

[subtle hound]

Yes

[compact lily]

i mean irl

then how you get confused

[echo sun]

then how is your moneyu bound

[subtle hound]

Some games call money bound

[echo sun]

what

[compact lily]

then that's your problem i guess?

[subtle hound]

Ye

[lavish lantern]

what game does that..?

[echo sun]

i dont think any game calls money bound

[subtle hound]

Uh I forgot the name

[lavish lantern]

oh ok - does she go to another school, perhaps in canada so i wouldn't know her? :)

[subtle hound]

Lol

[echo sun]

ok so, i was right, no games do that

lost ark has the same thing as blue protocol

bound gold

but no games money is called bound

[subtle hound]

I'm sure some games call their money bound

[echo sun]

why would they do that

[subtle hound]

Idk

[echo sun]

ngl you are confusing as hell

[compact lily]

i don't think it matters?

[subtle hound]

It's like a random name

Like there's no reason for the name Luno

[echo sun]

its an identifier actually

bound (untradeable)

[subtle hound]

Locked

[echo sun]

locked works yes

[compact lily]

well id rather have luno than gold or euro

[subtle hound]

Same

[echo sun]

locked and bound are very similar words

[subtle hound]

Yes

[echo sun]

also luno is like loonies

lol

[subtle hound]

But I wouldn't get confused with locked

[echo sun]

then call it locked luno

[subtle hound]

Lol no

It would be weird

[compact lily]

i pref bound

[echo sun]

[subtle hound]

[compact lily]

locked luno sounds liek you can't use them

[subtle hound]

Can't trade

[echo sun]

character bound

[subtle hound]

We made questions and help into chat lounge

[compact lily]

or maybe just remove the bound unbound shiit

[echo sun]

its literally always been #chat-lounge2

[subtle hound]

Lol

[subtle hound]

Bone mech for beginners

[echo sun]

what

for unseal wings?

[subtle hound]

Yes

[echo sun]

anothger mechanic trivialized by double jumping

[subtle hound]

Even jumping once works

And the waves don't even kill us

[echo sun]

no reason to jump once with latency

[subtle hound]

It's more about the lasers

[echo sun]

they do 50% your hp in dmg

[subtle hound]

We have 2 healers so it should be fine

[echo sun]

healers arent healing during wings

[subtle hound]

Their heal stays for like 5s even if they don't heal

[echo sun]

wings lasts longer than 5 seconds

[subtle hound]

Ye but we can survive 1 more wave

[echo sun]

you can survive maybe 2

or you can just jump

[subtle hound]

Yes

I easily jump through with only 1 jump

But I still double jump

[echo sun]

theres no reason to jump once

latency is unpredictable

[subtle hound]

You save stamina

[subtle hound]

Not with 60ms

[echo sun]

you are not running out of stamina

[subtle hound]

I know

[echo sun]

you have full stamina double jumping and dashing once per wave

[subtle hound]

Unless you placed yourself on the cross

[echo sun]

if you placed yourself on the cross you spawn dead

[subtle hound]

Lol you could still run and avoid it but it would drain your stamina

[echo sun]

you will not run out of stamina

[subtle hound]

Idk lot of people complained about their stamina?

[echo sun]

a lot of people complain about the boogieman

[subtle hound]

I never died from this so

[echo sun]

but he doesnt exist

[subtle hound]

Lol

[subtle hound]

Lol

[echo sun]

if people die to wings, and say "my stamina was low" then theyre just making excuses. blaming the controller.

[subtle hound]

Lol

Bone hardest mech is portals

Once you're out of portal it's a piece of cake

[short coral]

You can not run out of stamina going against the spin (and you need to triple jump, cos the beams have fucky colliders)

[echo sun]

you literally cant triple jkump

[subtle hound]

You can't triple jump lol

[short coral]

right... high ping double jump then

[coral canopy]

Had a player try and do the Guild Dance before midnight central time and wasn't able to. Does the Guild Dance not go all day?

[subtle hound]

We can't triple jump in raids

[short coral]

Yeh, I got that from the two previous mentions

[subtle hound]

It only goes from the time said

[subtle hound]

Lol

[short coral]

the point is... the beams can be jumped over too, but it's really close on timing

[echo sun]

does anyone know how the instakill mechanic works for the first enemy in kanamia

[subtle hound]

No you can't

[short coral]

much closer than the ground waves

[echo sun]

cuz ive instakilled it in master

by just ulting

does anyone know how it works

is it a bug

[subtle hound]

Not M5

[echo sun]

ive done it in m5 too

[subtle hound]

Oh

Idk

Maybe the trial is just so pathetic

[coral canopy]

Which is what?

[short coral]

There surely is a way to do that, as we had a moment where I jumped over one and died to a second beam running from a wall

[echo sun]

wut

[subtle hound]

For me it's from 7pm to 3am

[short coral]

Idk... maybe ping was so high I was on one side one frame and on the other the next

[coral canopy]

US Central time?

[echo sun]

might be

[subtle hound]

I think it's said on the guild dance event

But I can't access game rn

[short coral]

Starts at <t:1763224200:t> on Friday and lasts 12 hours

something like that

[subtle hound]

Maybe it was a lag like slow death

Like you think you survived but then internet comes back and you die from nothing

[final violet]

how do i craft the level 70 weapon? i seem to have all the resources

[subtle hound]

Unequip your weapon

[gentle totem]

Haha this is def viable with the power of my lag

[compact lily]

unequip your weapon

[subtle hound]

If it's reforge 100

[short coral]

nah... I definitely died to a second wall

[subtle hound]

Lol

[echo sun]

on run 599

[subtle hound]

[echo sun]

run 600

no dice

[gritty wagon]

is this just luck or its random

[echo sun]

its the same every time

[gritty wagon]

I see

you really get 34 pcs in 1st week?

[echo sun]

33

[gritty wagon]

oh

[vapid valve]

this is uhhh patently not accurate.

[echo sun]

you will play like an 18k on auto

[vapid valve]

I haven't really checked my damage output but gotta say, the difference is uhh.. drastic to say the least

[echo sun]

because you know how to press buttons

[vapid valve]

especially when I'm missing a whole buncha things that have made people 18k

[echo sun]

and also you do the most damage of all classes

so its not even remotely fair to compare

[vapid valve]

I'm missing 70 wep and runic pieces, I doubt I'd be performing to spec against a similarly brain-alive 18k stormblade

[echo sun]

why missing 70 wep

[vapid valve]

I'm short 6 throne gold

[echo sun]

raid

[vapid valve]

yeah, just finished normals

[echo sun]

do 2 hards

[vapid valve]

just need to be carried through ice and bone I guess

unfortunately it's...

late at my guild's peak hours.

[echo sun]

just join parties

[gritty wagon]

is there quest to unlock raids

[echo sun]

some flying island quest

[vapid valve]

you don't neeed the quest but you should at least go to the floating island to get freebie stuff

[echo sun]

t0on of chests on those islands

[gritty wagon]

is it wise to spend bound on will imagine

[subtle hound]

Depends on the class and how the person plays, I'd say globally you can do as much as a 18k even as a 15k

Because they don't really know the mech etc

Same for a 17k who can perform like a 20k

All depends on how good the person is

[echo sun]

ou can play as good as a 20k who doesnt press anything

[subtle hound]

Ofc a 15k would play as a 15k if he don't fully know the mechs

[subtle hound]

Yes

And cycle are important too

"Some" people just use auto battle

Which makes them lose 60% of their DPS?

Or something like that

[vapid valve]

so... no, a 15k won't play like an 18k "if you're playing well enough"

more like a 18k will have the damage of a 15k if they slack

[echo sun]

yea

better way to say it lmao

[vapid valve]

like, it doesn't take much to do most of your damage potential, frankly. So something is extremely wrong if a 15k is catching up to someone 3k above them

[echo sun]

or theyre just using a modded apk

[subtle hound]

Ah I'm not seeing it like that

[echo sun]

and cheating

which means they will be banned

[vapid valve]

I suppose lol

either way, one is "under perfect play" and the other is a failstate

[echo sun]

like clydana or whoever

[vapid valve]

the conditions are not the same

[subtle hound]

Like there's wayyyyy more 18k doing 15k dmg than 15k doing 18k dmg

[echo sun]

a wind knight that cheats

doing triple my dmg at lvl 15

er

15k gearscore

[subtle hound]

So I consider 18k = 15k

[vapid valve]

I'm not gonna pursue this, that's... not how it works.

[subtle hound]

Like there's more people doing auto battle

So when I accept a 18k I don't look at them like an actual 18k

[vapid valve]

the difference may be true for like 18k vs 19k given where sources of AS are

but like, 15k vs 18k is a whole bunch rune gear difference

[subtle hound]

While if I know a friend of mine with 15k, I know they'll perform like a random 18k I'll get

[echo sun]

auto battle works for some classes, like marksman, but also i dont think people who use auto on a class that cant auto properly are counting as "doing the bare minimum" in content you would dps compare in.

liek you literally cant say if youre 15k and you outdps an autobattle frost mage that you are "doing 18k dmg"

you are doing 15k dmg the frost mage is just bad

[subtle hound]

Ye

Technically we couldn't say 15k doing 18k damage

[vapid valve]

a 15k doing 100% of their damage potential, is not doing the damage potential of an 18k.
which is similar to an 18k not doing their own damage potential

[subtle hound]

But statistically 15k are doing 18k dmg if they play well

[vapid valve]

no it's not

[echo sun]

youre literally comparing to people who dont play well

[subtle hound]

Yes

But isn't that 80% of the players?

[vapid valve]

a full party of 15k players are still going to struggle more than a full party of 18k players

The point is, a bad 18k player is not transitive to a good 15k player

[echo sun]

no i think most players can play their class decently

most cant do mechanics

[subtle hound]

No. A full party of 15k can clear ice hard if they play well while a full party of 18k can get wiped 25x if they don't know how to play

[echo sun]

[vapid valve]

I shouldn't have pursued this

[arctic talon]

[echo sun]

this is such a stupid discussion

stop trolling

[short coral]

I can wipe on normal ice woth a full group of 21ks if we try hard enough

[subtle hound]

No I know your point

[echo sun]

we dont know yours is the point

because you dont have a point

[arctic talon]

Silvers actually on another planet

[subtle hound]

Like if a 15k does a 18k dmg. It means the 18k is actually doing the 15k dmg and not otherwise

[echo sun]

if everyone dies they wont clear

which means a 9k is playing like a 23k

like this is your point

[subtle hound]

That's your point

[subtle hound]

No

[echo sun]

yes it is

[arctic talon]

This ain’t it silvers

[echo sun]

youre saying a 15k is operating at the same capacity as an 18k because a party of 18ks might wipe in a raid

[subtle hound]

My point is since globally 18k are doing 15k dmg. Then I consider 15k as 18k if played well

[vapid valve]

a corpse on the floor is performing like a 24k if the 24k is dead

[echo sun]

there is no logical construction where this could make sense

[arctic talon]

Then an 18k if played well is 21k and a 21k is 24k 24k then becomes 27k

[subtle hound]

YES

[echo sun]

o_o

[subtle hound]

That's the point

[echo sun]

yeah youre stupid.

[arctic talon]

Dude this is so autistic

[short coral]

so... 18k becomes 27k? I am getting lost here

[subtle hound]

No

18k becomes 21k

[arctic talon]

It just doesn’t

[echo sun]

this is like listening to a jessie lee peterson show thinking youre going to learn anything

[subtle hound]

I get your point saying it's not the 18k performing as a 21k but the 21k performing as the 18k

[echo sun]

silvers youre just wrong

stop

[vapid valve]

This is some "Financial Advice" ted talk type shit

[subtle hound]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Actually have to walk away

Xd

[echo sun]

its just factually illogical

[subtle hound]

No I mean like since the majority 18k is doing 15k damage, for me the well playing 15k = 18k

[echo sun]

stop

[subtle hound]

Omg my point is

[echo sun]

stop trolling

[subtle hound]

Yes you can do hard raids if you're 15k

[echo sun]

we literally did hard raids as a 15k

[short coral]

I don't care what AS you are... but if the verdant deals more dps than you, you are out

[subtle hound]

Well that was the point

[echo sun]

no thats not your point

[subtle hound]

Fr

[subtle hound]

It was

[vapid valve]

the Dissonance dealt more DPS than me

[arctic talon]

No it isn’t

[echo sun]

smite actually deals damage

[neat monolith]

i feel like a good player that's 15k should just get up to 18k pretty fast anyway and call it a day.

[vapid valve]

kinda true ngl, but I'm rather stuck on Reforges and raids

[subtle hound]

He was saying his dmg would be too low for hard raids, but statistically he can perform as well as a 18k in a hard raid even as a 15k

[arctic talon]

Make it stop

[echo sun]

nobody was saying that

[vapid valve]

that's so not what I said

[short coral]

it does, yes... but I don't think most smites should be able to outdps any damage class on comparable AS

but what do I know... I run pug raids

[subtle hound]

They can't

[echo sun]

i had a smite the other day that did 6m dps in tower m5

6m total damage

about 30k dps i think

[subtle hound]

I can do like 450k dmg in 5s

[echo sun]

pretty solid

[vapid valve]

oh yeah , how do yall set this effects visibility up

[subtle hound]

Burst

[arctic talon]

Sounds like he’s operating on a 18k but doing a 22k dps

[echo sun]

so useful for those 5 seconds

[subtle hound]

Real

[short coral]

and that's decent, ye but on M5 level, all DPS classes should be at least 50k ish

[echo sun]

yeah i mean no oracle is outdpsing the dps

but might outdps the tank

[gritty wagon]

Is the boss respawn tied to the time you kill it or its fixed?

[echo sun]

wha

[subtle hound]

Fixed

[echo sun]

oh respawn timer

[sage edge]

Anyone know if there is a cooldown for leaving and then rejoining a different Guild?

[subtle hound]

Means when you kill it. It can respawn in 1min

[short coral]

which is why I said if the dps is not outdpsing the oracle, it gets yeeted. Nobody cares about the tanks damage. If we remove them, we die xD

[echo sun]

its not fixed

[gritty wagon]

Ooh thats great

[echo sun]

its the time you kill it

[short coral]

there is not

[subtle hound]

It is fixed

[vapid valve]

there is a cooldown for guild changing

[gritty wagon]

[echo sun]

it literally is not fixed

[subtle hound]

It spawn every xx:00 or xx:30 depending on the boss..

[echo sun]

its tied to the time you killed it

[vapid valve]

about... 30seconds or so?

[sage edge]

There is I see.

[vapid valve]

less than 5 minutes for sure

[short coral]

left a guild, joined another one 30 seconds later

[sage edge]

For leaving then going to new?

[short coral]

Oh xD

[vapid valve]

yeah, it's a 30s cooldown lmao

[sage edge]

I see, Is ee

[subtle hound]

What are you talking about lol

[mossy pecan]

are these auto opening or am i missing something

[echo sun]

auto

[subtle hound]

Don't worry it's fixed

[short coral]

yes, they are

[mossy pecan]

so lame

i wanna see

[gritty wagon]

[echo sun]

do you mean like muku chief

[subtle hound]

Yes

[echo sun]

those spawn on the hour

[wraith stag]

It tells you how much you get on your left

Or in the logs

[echo sun]

but its offset a certain amount we havent been able to calculate or account for

theres also half hour bosses

[echo sun]

and muku king seems to respawn randomly in the 10 minutes after its timer pops up

dont know why that is

[subtle hound]

It's written in the monster hunter book

[short coral]

[subtle hound]

No.. it spawns every xx:30

[mossy pecan]

ye but popup menu dopamine man

[echo sun]

sometimes muku king does not spawn on on the multiple of 30

[subtle hound]

It always spawned xx:30 for me

[echo sun]

so there is likely a lockout after its killed

if its killed close to respawn

thats the running hypothesis

[subtle hound]

Maybe like they were killing it and killed it at xx:30 then respawn time came but boss didn't respawn

[echo sun]

n o it respawned

just like 10 minutes late

[short coral]

I had several kills where the boss respawned before I got to the chest

[subtle hound]

[short coral]

like within 10 seconds of the kill

[gritty wagon]

how long till chest despawns

[subtle hound]

Boss chest?

[echo sun]

30 minutes?

[gritty wagon]

yeah

[echo sun]

it takes a long time to despawn

i assume its 30min

[subtle hound]

Um I don't really know I never checked

[echo sun]

might be a bit less

like 15

[fierce birch]

is there aguide on how to download and install a dps tracker, can't seem to find it in community guides or any links.

[short coral]

I believe it's 15 minutes for elites

[mossy pecan]

are macros against tos?

[echo sun]

yes

[mossy pecan]

sadge

[subtle hound]

I think it's because it's against tos

[gritty wagon]

you get 2 keys per day right

[subtle hound]

Or idk

[echo sun]

2 keys per day

[mossy pecan]

doubt they are

[echo sun]

max of 6

[subtle hound]

Yes

[subtle hound]

Same

[gritty wagon]

ok ill just use 2

[echo sun]

dps trackers are not against the tos

macros are

[mossy pecan]

in what extent

surely it's not explicity macro banned

[echo sun]

in the extent that you have a program doing your inputs for you

[fierce birch]

any1 got information on where to download dps trackers?

[subtle hound]

H

[fierce birch]

been seraching for 15 min on the discord and i legit cant seem to find any trace of a guide

[subtle hound]

I don't sorry

[short coral]

just ask yourself "If I use it, do I have an advantage against a person who doesn't use it?"
If your answer is yes, don't use it.

[subtle hound]

I just hope the Devs will add DPS count official in game

[mossy pecan]

answer would be no for the case im looking to use it in

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle hound]

Answer would be no

[echo sun]

tbh i dont care about what you have to say youre getting blocked for your clan tag

[short coral]

what are you macroing emotes?

[gritty wagon]

toxicity rise up

[subtle hound]

What a macro guy can do that I can't?

[echo sun]

macros are against tos

[gritty wagon]

is it always 2 per key?

[subtle hound]

No

[subtle hound]

You're lucky

That's a rare drop

[echo sun]

very rare

[mossy pecan]

was a discussion not an argument but if u wanna take it personally be my guest and bite me LOL

[gritty wagon]

[short coral]

They don't have to be there. That's their advantage

[subtle hound]

I don't have to be there to click on H

[echo sun]

yes you do

[subtle hound]

What

[short coral]

H is not a macro, thats just an ingame thing

everyone has that

[echo sun]

you have to press h

[subtle hound]

I mean they don't need macro if they click on H

Lol

[subtle hound]

LOL

[gritty wagon]

macro on fishing

[subtle hound]

Crazy

[short coral]

but for example fishing macros...

[gritty wagon]

[subtle hound]

I never fish

But aren't fishes useless

[gritty wagon]

just add auto fish

[short coral]

they are not

[echo sun]

or you can just fish

and quit being lazy

[subtle hound]

What are they used for

[mossy pecan]

silvers

[subtle hound]

Yes

[gritty wagon]

[short coral]

guild cargo, food...

[mossy pecan]

mm

[echo sun]

bro said fish are useless

[mossy pecan]

nvm actually

mb

[echo sun]

best source of guild cargo

lol

[subtle hound]

That's useless you can submit anything else for cargo

[subtle hound]

Ok

[short coral]

exactly... I never paid a single luno for items in my guild cargo

[echo sun]

everything cargo uses uses focus

except fish

[subtle hound]

Or you can just buy the stuff in the trading center

[echo sun]

for... unbound luno

[mossy pecan]

how long does it take you to get the fish?

[subtle hound]

Lol

[short coral]

uh.. idk... I don't count fish based on cargos

[echo sun]

yeah i think this guy is a troll

[mossy pecan]

ah you fish because you like it

[short coral]

It does feel like talking to a brick, indeed

[subtle hound]

No, rich people does that

[echo sun]

im just blocking you too

youre trolling

[mossy pecan]

i tried fishing for cargo, couldn't hack it past 20 and started spending the luno lol

[echo sun]

waste of time

[short coral]

I fish because it's something I can do while watching anime
and doing more than one thing at a time is efficient

[mossy pecan]

yeah no fair enough

[subtle hound]

I'm not

[echo sun]

i literally play two fishing games at once while fishing =w=

[mossy pecan]

guy is self centered probably think the sun spins around him too leave him be lol

[echo sun]

pronouns are in bio btw

[subtle hound]

Lol

[short coral]

just fish... it's nice

[mossy pecan]

thought i was blocked

[echo sun]

not that you care, your clan tag is literally against the TOS

[subtle hound]

No one check bios

And I can't check your bio

[mossy pecan]

lmao that looks sick

how do i get one of those

[subtle hound]

Woah

That's different from the 5cm fish I get

[short coral]

You fish...

[subtle hound]

You fish for a long time

Maybe 30min-1h?

[mossy pecan]

dayum

[short coral]

what do you mean.. they drop like every fourth fish

[subtle hound]

No like to get a 5 star one

[echo sun]

stop trolling ashen lol

[mossy pecan]

insane fisherman

[subtle hound]

Lol

[mossy pecan]

bro is the trainer with 6 magikarps

[subtle hound]

[short coral]

look, they asked how long the fishing of that fish takes... not how long the prep took

[peak temple]

holy ragebait

[subtle hound]

Lol

[echo sun]

dont worry the two others i blocked are ragebaiting more

ashen is only like 2/100 guilty

[peak temple]

🥀

[mossy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-this-i-promise-you-missionnsync-nsync-boyband-gif-9799933607261132110

[subtle hound]

Miyu block people for no reason

[icy tartan]

i think anyone with fishing lvl more then 8 is just botting

[short coral]

I am just not providing details, that's all

[echo sun]

lmao

[subtle hound]

Or no lif

[short coral]

like these details

[icy tartan]

i like life

[echo sun]

just get lvl 15 4head

[short coral]

or these

[subtle hound]

Did you get all the fishing achievements

[echo sun]

why do you chart it

[subtle hound]

Wrong ping

[subtle hound]

Did you get all the fishing achievements

[short coral]

I like data

[echo sun]

its pretty crazy that like 2 weeks ago we had lvl 20s

[peak temple]

whats the fastest gold trophy to get from fishing

[icy tartan]

isnt each fish give like 2 xp???

[echo sun]

10k fish fished in first few weeks is reallty crazy

[subtle hound]

3 weeks ago

[echo sun]

no

you get 5 exp from starfish and jellyfish

and coral

[icy river]

MORE CONTENT ALLDRAGONS DEAD ALREADY

[subtle hound]

Get 50 5 star

[peak temple]

EOS before more content!

[icy tartan]

yeah those takes x2 long to get it in tho

[echo sun]

@icy river it hasnt even been a month chill out

[subtle hound]

It's really easy to fish 50 5 star fishes

[short coral]

2xp is not too far from the truth

[echo sun]

yea

on average

[short coral]

[peak temple]

does bait quality from higher fishing lvls improve star odds

[echo sun]

yes?

[short coral]

research does

[icy tartan]

also is there no way to tell which 2 colors i'm missing? x.x

[subtle hound]

I believe it increase rarity

[short coral]

bait doesn't matter

Precise bait (green) does not collect trash, special bait (blue) allows for mythical fish

[subtle hound]

Research improve star odds

[peak temple]

so essentially i just grind research lvls by spamming fishing and they'll come a lot faster

[echo sun]

you want stellar squirrelfish

research

[subtle hound]

Yes

[icy tartan]

ok like when do we catch this whale?

[subtle hound]

Never

[short coral]

when the event comes

[echo sun]

the only researches you will use are stellar squirrelfish and lantern fish

[subtle hound]

0.001% chance

[icy tartan]

it better be a mount after i catch it lol

[subtle hound]

Lol

[subtle hound]

Why

[gritty wagon]

is there more quest that gives this one or its just 1

[echo sun]

raids

[subtle hound]

Hmm only raids

[peak temple]

u get them from weekly shop and dragon raids only

[icy tartan]

honor store

[subtle hound]

Reclaim shop/honor shop/raids

[gritty wagon]

yeah I already got all of it on shop

guess ill wait next week

[subtle hound]

Or you can do raids

[gritty wagon]

waiting for my guild to do raid

[subtle hound]

Good luck

You can do the easy ones with random if not already done

[gritty wagon]

Im excited

[peak temple]

if you learn the mechanics beforehand its quite chill

[icy tartan]

yeah you really need to find guild that dose it, i'm just glad our guild runs two raid nights a week

[echo sun]

i just join parties

and clear

[weary hinge]

What spec has the highest dps ceiling if you are theoretically going to whale like there no tomorrow after the stormblade class?

[echo sun]

never done a guild raid except once to get the title

[gritty wagon]

I already know ice and bone

[echo sun]

wind knight

[gritty wagon]

havent seen light

[icy tartan]

vang spec i think?

[subtle hound]

That's bad

[subtle hound]

Stormblade

Oops sorry

[icy tartan]

there is just too many stormblade edgelord out there we dont need anymore of them

[subtle hound]

Marksman imo

[short coral]

I like that there is so many... easy to do targeted marketing

[echo sun]

wind knight has the highest dps ceiling

[subtle hound]

Probably mm

[echo sun]

its not even close

a whale who plays well can milk that class like crazy

[subtle hound]

Hmm idk

[icy tartan]

range dps vs melee dps melee always comes on top, bow is just easy to use to get the good dps but not a high ceiling imo

[echo sun]

did someone i blocked say marksman lmao

[subtle hound]

Light has easier mech than bone you'll see

[echo sun]

marksman does not have a high dps ceiling

[peak temple]

im crying rn

[echo sun]

it has a high floor

[subtle hound]

WOAHH

[peak temple]

IM FREEEE

[subtle hound]

You're gonna be rich

[peak temple]

nah hell nah

im crafting

:D

[short coral]

It almost looked like an argument...
and then they said "idk", invalidating all their points

[echo sun]

gz apollo

proud of u

for getting lucky

[peak temple]

🙏

tyty

[short coral]

[icy tartan]

i want icicle mage to have more dmg

[weary hinge]

I see a lot of different opinions after the stormblade class, I guess there is no definitive answer for 2nd place after the stormblade class in terms of dps ceiling 🤔

[echo sun]

its

winbd knight

its wind knight

the answer is wind knight

and its first place

over stormblade

[weary hinge]

Really? A whaled out wind knight beats out a whaled out storm blade at the very highest peak of dps?

[subtle hound]

Lot of people saying marksman

[short coral]

here is a solo Muku King on a very low paying WK
take whatever you want from it

[subtle hound]

LOL no

Stormblade is no.1

[echo sun]

wind knight -> stormblade -> marksman -> frost

[subtle hound]

In terms of whale

[echo sun]

yes absolutely wind knight whaled out fully makes way better use of crit

which scales the best

[subtle hound]

That's because you've only seen early game stormblades

[rocky sierra]

quick question what makes a master run perfect, just finishing it fast?

[peak temple]

isnt stormblade's potential like rly capped rn

[subtle hound]

Ye

[peak temple]

gonna skyrocket w endgame stuff coming out

[subtle hound]

Yes

[echo sun]

yes and its under wind knight

[subtle hound]

Don't die and finish it fast

[short coral]

yes. For M5 it's under 6:30 for everything but Kanamia, for which it is 5:00

[weary hinge]

Yeah, AFAIK at least 6 minutes or less will net you a 375 perfect score at this current moment

[echo sun]

finishing fast and without deaths

each death is 15 score

[peak temple]

i was full gear iaido but i geneuinly just scrapped all iaido shit went moonblade and coulnt have been happier

[subtle hound]

Yes

[subtle hound]

It's not

[rocky sierra]

got it. thanks for the quick answers

[subtle hound]

In end game stormblade and marksman will do more damage than wind Knight

[peak temple]

iaido burst dmg is nuts but the gameplay cycle for highest dmg is so unbelievably stale

[echo sun]

its not:

(the source, this random ass vtuber doing a tier list)

[teal kayak]

for chest piece and helm, is it only armor there on purple line?

and what is mastery?

[echo sun]

stop talking to me

[icy tartan]

what imagine to whale for wind knight vang?

[subtle hound]

LOL

[peak temple]

dude its just a different take 😭

it aint that deep

[subtle hound]

I mean if 99% of the community knows stormblade does more damage than WindKnight in end game it's for a reason

[short coral]

Can't really speak from a whale perspective...

but I am running Goblin King and Celestial Flier.
If I had higher crit, I'd swap one of them for Muku Chief most likely

[echo sun]

the fact that this vtuber has wind knight in A clearly means theyre not ranking by whaled out optimized dps setups

[sudden adder]

is it possible to reclaim all the Comission rewards through the reclaim hub every week?

[subtle hound]

It's not

[echo sun]

bro literally looked at this tier list

and answered marksman

for the highest dps ceiling next to stormblade

just disregard his entire existence

hes a troll

[orchid rapids]

Mastery = whatever it is your class do, it now does it better

Versatility = generally better stats but not specific to your class

[sudden adder]

so missing commissions means you just miss all the rewards?

[tiny panther]

respect this tier list, dissonance on top

[subtle hound]

You're the troll atp. Saying wind Knight does more dmg than stormblade whale

[arctic talon]

He’s doing 30k AS dmg at 22k that’s why

[subtle hound]

Yes

[echo sun]

dissonance is literally not on top

in that tier list

its just in the healer tier above the other healers

cuz sense make?

disso a healer? good meme

[subtle hound]

It is a healer

...

[short coral]

Here's a tier list for you:

S: Whatever I am playing right now
D: Everything else

Because swapping classes sucks

[subtle hound]

You're not gonna take 2 healers for dungeons

[arctic talon]

Erm

[echo sun]

god

[teal kayak]

ok thanks

[echo sun]

i wish he would stop talking to me

and replying to me

[arctic talon]

Say that to the dissonance player who did 4 disso 1 rank

[echo sun]

its so annoying

[arctic talon]

Tank*

[weary hinge]

You had conflicting answers with a few people here but i just wanna know your opinion, so just to confirm, it is clear Wind Knight vanguard spec after the stormblade class in terms of peak whaling out dps ceiling??

[subtle hound]

Lol

[echo sun]

the top two wind knights currently outdps the top 2 stormblades

like i dont know what to tell you

[subtle hound]

Currently*

[peak temple]

if you wanna ever confirm something about "whaling out" you should have the utmost certainty and get takes from as many ppl as possible if ur plan is to drop that much money

[echo sun]

WERE TALKING ABOUT CURRENTLY

[peak temple]

a questions channel with 2 ppl wont suffice

[peak temple]

but why talk about just currently if we're whaling

[subtle hound]

We're talking about late game whale stormblade

[echo sun]

WERE TALKING ABOUT CURRENTLY

[icy tartan]

but like it's not like you can whale on s2 imagine in s1 now can we?