PBE Patch Notes August 30th Deploy

[hollow moon]

Creating a thread to talk about the patch notes. Keep it clean, keep it polite, keep it on topic.

[hollow moon]

@austere geyser@fading yacht @fair yarrow @weak swan @prisma forum@swift shore @meager cargo

Only Nilah buffs

[indigo stratus]

Why is Pantheon AD so low?

[fair yarrow]

because he is op

[hollow moon]

he stacks pretty hard with whisper

he p strong already

[inland whale]

hate how they nerfed shimmers instead of making it harder to hit

[slender turret]

I felt like graves was strong enough

[fair yarrow]

also yeah not like it matters

[hollow moon]

the graves3 nerf is appropriate tbh

felt like instawin

[jagged heart]

My baby Swain got a buff

[kind bloom]

...how would we make it harder to hit? (Only viable answer is change craftable spat, but also realize we're past Loc Lock so no text is changable)

[hollow moon]

Swain buffs tho

[indigo stratus]

Swain seems kinda broken

[jagged heart]

shhh

[slender turret]

facts. But the overall 5 ad buff feeks unecessary

[kind wagon]

So glad seraphine has been nerfed, maybe now I can stop complaining about her 24/7 in pbe discussion lol

[fair yarrow]

oh mort is looking through here

[hollow moon]

idk, there's definitely games where i've splashed graves and he just felt like a trait bot

[fair yarrow]

wokege

[inland whale]

oh i see

[kind wagon]

Also excited to play some swain

[austere geyser]

[hollow moon]

I asked him if he wanted the thread made

[fair yarrow]

any more jax nerf

[inland whale]

dont touch my secret ap jax reroll technology

[hollow moon]

Cavs got nerfed

[jagged heart]

so many nerfs and removals kek

[austere geyser]

I'm happy about some ez buffs

[hollow moon]

me too

[austere geyser]

He hasn't felt like a unit in ages

[hollow moon]

looking forward to thinking of him as an option now

yeah exactly

[fair yarrow]

im happy about the jax nerfs

unholy unit

[tribal pier]

i didnt understand where they got nerfed, wasnt it a buff?

[hollow moon]

Im happy about leesin getting nerfed 2x

[jagged heart]

can someone explain about new drop on pirate mirage?

[fair yarrow]

same

[jagged heart]

[fair yarrow]

i didnt getit

[fair yarrow]

?

[tribal pier]

numbers

[fair yarrow]

the numbers went up

[austere geyser]

Wukong we saw it coming but probably still pretty good

[indigo stratus]

Is there a loot table for Lagoons anywhere?

[hollow moon]

o

i just saw pretty red colour

[jagged heart]

omg

that's a buff isnt it

[hollow moon]

yeah it is buff

me love cavs

[tribal pier]

tbf cav synergy felt like shit

[hollow moon]

guild flex feels very good

[jagged heart]

is there a new table for pirate mirage?

[hollow moon]

now will feel better

[jagged heart]

[kind bloom]

Look, we make all those changes and document them in basically half a day

[inland whale]

oh ye when do all the loot tablet release mort

[kind bloom]

get off our butts for typos 😛

[hollow moon]

nobody on your butt mort

[fair yarrow]

good patch

[kind bloom]

Loot tables will be a week from today

[hollow moon]

we just have troubles reading

[fair yarrow]

[hollow moon]

!read

[jagged heart]

yayyy

[wild nymph]

Tables Wokege

[inland whale]

cool

[jagged heart]

no read here kek

[indigo stratus]

epic

[kind bloom]

BUT JUST FOR YOU DEDICATED FOLKS

[pseudo quarry]

[hollow moon]

PIRATES BUFFED

[true leaf]

no adjustments to 5/8 costs? I felt like Terra could've seen some love but was that just me?

[kind bloom]

Here's 8 Mirage before and after:

[indigo stratus]

Certainly needed, every other econ augment was better

[inland whale]

poooog

[jagged heart]

omg

[jagged heart]

champ duplicator

yas

just like i thought

[pseudo quarry]

Ooooo

[inland whale]

oh i love it

[hollow moon]

Birthday Present change much warranted me thinks

love that augment

[kind bloom]

Also if you like math/comparisons, here's Guild before and after

[jagged heart]

omg

[hollow moon]

@thorn basin I was telling you how awesome the TFT dev team is, BEHOLD

[inland whale]

i feel like birthday present could be offered at 3-2 and would be fine

[jagged heart]

the mana prob the biggest gap

[inland whale]

idk if it would make it better or worse to take

[hollow moon]

agreed. the tempo it gives you is unreal

No more pandora's grief

I'm so excited to play now

[jagged pond]

[hollow moon]

Thank you for everything you and the team do Mort

[tribal pier]

Yeah this stuff is really good

[inland whale]

[fair yarrow]

birthday presents looks balanced

NO WAY

[inland whale]

always love how the game gets better every patch unlike league

[fair yarrow]

also afk been wondering

is afk gonna get nerfed/consistency will get buffed?

both augments being silver does not seem right dejj

[hollow moon]

just keep taking it

collect more data

[jagged heart]

i think afk is fine

[kind wagon]

I thought consistency was strong so I guess I'm small brain

i felt so rich picking it

[fair yarrow]

...

[kind wagon]

so much cash

[inland whale]

afk is lowkey like a budget cruel pact

[fair yarrow]

afk gives u 20 gold 2-5

[jagged heart]

u get gold advantage but lose hp

[fair yarrow]

consitency gives you 10 gold 2-7

if you 5 streak

[jagged heart]

and become a dead augment for the rest of the game

[kind wagon]

I'm talking about beyond that razmo

[inland whale]

ye

[jagged heart]

you can use consistency for the rest of the game

[kind wagon]

not just early game advantage but through entire game

[inland whale]

imagine consistency when youre like 10 streaking

[kind wagon]

ye

I've 15-streaked with consistently

[jagged heart]

again it's a situational story

[inland whale]

wokege

[jagged heart]

and it is hard to compare such augments

[kind wagon]

it feels so insane

[fair yarrow]

afk gives u more gold even if you 10 streak

cuz of interest

plus 10 streaking is very ahrd to do

also playing an augment down using consistency so it will be even ahrd to winstreak

[jagged heart]

your money interest is independent from the streak interest right?

[inland whale]

thats just 6 extra gold most of the times

since you should be around 50 on neutrals

[carmine bane]

Was the patch already deployed ??

[jagged heart]

no

[fair yarrow]

no

[jagged heart]

it should be in 5 hours

[fair yarrow]

in about 5 hours

[jagged heart]

5 hours - 6mins

[austere geyser]

The changes feel really solid great stuff Mort🐸

Good chat everybody, have a good weekend

👍

[jagged heart]

omg

[prisma forum]

[graceful lance]

Why would voli be nerfed?

[maiden delta]

interesting swain buffs

[fair yarrow]

ok

dmancer swain

should be good now

COPIUM

[fading yacht]

OMG they fixed a typo in Nilahs description

[hollow moon]

HUGE BUFF

[fading yacht]

yeah ofc now everyone will be able to properly read it

[swift shore]

HELLO DID MORTDADDY FORGET ABOUT SOHM

Also no nomsy nerf

She a crank on like all traits

[fading yacht]

splash and 3 star damage

[hollow moon]

Trugz are you chatting without reading it all

[fading yacht]

this trugz guy

[hollow moon]

This Trugz guy

[swift shore]

???

That's not the issue !!!

[hollow moon]

Me do that when patch hits

Me collect data

[fair yarrow]

AHAHHAAHA

but nomsy is beautifull

mort no nerf

soy ugly

mort nerf

[swift shore]

OK now we delete to protect the tech

[hollow moon]

PROTECT THE TECH

[fair yarrow]

PROTECT THE TECH

[swift shore]

BLIND IM ON MOBILE DELETE MESSAGES FOR MOBILE

[hollow moon]

Me no delete

[swift shore]

I NEED TO ABUSE IT IN TOURNEY

[hollow moon]

Just bury with messages

[fading yacht]

just delete channel instead

[hollow moon]

OH SHIT

FOR TOURNEY

[fair yarrow]

hold on the message

how do u not know this stuff

[hollow moon]

Don’t delete tho

We make tft better together

[swift shore]

That's not how I get LP

[fading yacht]

should we tell trugz that you can delete messages while on mobile ?

[hollow moon]

it’s not even on live

Also LP fake

Fun real

Friendship real

🤝

[fading yacht]

can we take away gif perms from raz ? @hollow moon

[fair yarrow]

u wanna take my rights away?

[leaden horizon]

i know this was a bug but it was also intended from what i've seen cause if my thoughts are correct what this fix should have done is moved it from post dragon treasure to pre dragon treasure cause it still needs to spawn in the previous rounds rewards which i dont think it does currently which is why it is spawned in later so hopefully they just moved it back a round and didn't remove it completely

[hollow moon]

[swift shore]

Yea but tourney eggs are real

My schooling isn't going to pay for itself

[kind bloom]

what did i miss

[fading yacht]

Nothing to see here mister Mort, have a great day!

[vernal badge]

something tells me he missed something

[swift shore]

The game is in a great state Mort nothing to see here!!

[thorn dove]

Surprised to not see any adjustments to Darkflight. The trait needs adjustment on base functionality, not just hyper buffing the units. The 'Gains the top most trait of the sacrifice' should probably just be baseline.

Also, nerfing Lagoon's frontline is a choice 😦

[kind bloom]

Those are…takes

[swift shore]

But memes aside Mr. Mortdog, is Canonneer Nomsy 1 star bugged?

Tristana still says 40 AD and she is receiving 60

[kind bloom]

Will look into this

[swift shore]

See I'm doing the right thing @hollow moon

[thorn dove]

I've played 30~ Lagoon games. They're only as effective as their frontline, especially with 5-6 people running them. Lagoon 3 feels pretty rough and it takes a decent amount of time to get to 6 where it starts to feel stable. Unless you high roll, Lagoon is a lose-streak comp prior to this patch. Maybe that changes when 6 people aren't contesting, but that's how it feels presently.

[hollow moon]

[fading yacht]

this is so untrue that it gets funny

[thorn dove]

I mean, everyone can have different experiences. But especially with Seraphine being fixed, it's going to be even more true.

[hollow moon]

Everyone entitled to give feedback

[fading yacht]

never surpressed the feedback, just giving mine that it's untrue

[hollow moon]

You’re welcome to do that by giving valid arguments

[thorn dove]

I'm specifically referencing vertical lagoon and not the Whispers/Sylas/Zyra variant to be clear

[fading yacht]

Well since he is talking prior patch (cant talk for post patch ofc): strong AF units with only kaisa being bad and even then she allows fast stacking, lagoon allows to ignore certain lvl intervals easier and makes it to eventually become a 'win more' trait but not to the extrend that we saw certain econ traits be a 'win more' trait in the past

[hollow moon]

[thorn dove]

Kai'sa isn't even bad tho. And I agree that the comp snowballs, but my feedback was specifically centered around early

Most of my lagoon games will be lose streak to 30-40 health and then top 1-2 when the snowball hits

Kai'sa with Shojin/AA/AA or Shojin/IE/JG or Shojin/IE/GS (Jewled lotus) can easily primary carry or secondary carry to Zeri/Sohm.

[fading yacht]

ok there is no point in me continuing this conversation, have a nice day sir!

[swift shore]

ok there is no point in me continuing this conversation, have a nice day sir!

[vernal badge]

This is one of the TFT discussions of all time

[warped plume]

Its one of em for sure

[gritty moth]

anybody know when the patch is dropping

[hollow moon]

Should be in 3 hours approx

Could take longer to

[gritty moth]

thank you for the information god bless u

[quaint arrow]

Idk about these jade nerfs man

What the

[kind bloom]

Jade >>>>>>>>>> Everything else in data

like it wasn't even close

Every best augment - Jade. Every best champ - Jade

[quaint arrow]

Well

In set 7 every jade augment was also just the best

[kind bloom]

...

[thorn dove]

The Bonky Kong Dream (+ Scoped Weapons Warriors) is real

[kind bloom]

This kid

[quaint arrow]

I just can't help but feel it's one of those moments where it's only because jade is one of the easier comps to play

Which will naturally do well in an environment like pbe

But that's really only just a hunch

[kind bloom]

Jade is easier to play than Lagoon?

than astral?

Hmmmmm

[quaint arrow]

Because the jade really just cannot cap out very high now

And naturally pbe games are not going to cap out high

[kind bloom]

ok, I'm not sure how to talk in your language

[thorn dove]

It seemed like if Scoped Weapons was offered, Jade generally dominated between Wukong/Jax/SOY

[kind bloom]

"PBE games don't cap out"...PBE games are wildly inflated

if anything, we would expect mid range comps to under perform on PBE

[maiden delta]

How's olaf doing in stats- since scalescorn doesnt proc with runaans anymore-

[kind bloom]

Super strong

likely carried by Warrior, but very very strong

[hollow moon]

I’m curious about Syfen stats as well, just haven’t really had much success and felt bad everytime I played

[kind bloom]

Syfen is low/mid. TBH kind of want to keep him there for a bit

[quaint arrow]

My sense was that players aren't econing as well and making suboptimal plays stage 2 3 which would limit their ability to reach a capped state but it's also possible that this actually just makes it easier to go 9 since there's no pressure

[maiden delta]

Yes keep syfen a synergy bot and keep pantheon as carry

[warped plume]

Agreed syfen just feels like synergy bot

[quaint arrow]

The other thing is with the treasure dragon augments thing

[warped plume]

Throw a tg and forget about em

[quaint arrow]

There's still stuff like golden egg left

Which benefit from treasure dragon in arguably worse fashion

But that would require buffing the table or reducing the number of turns by more than 1

Because right now the counter goes down by the amount the counter went down the turn before

[kind bloom]

Golden egg continues to do exactly what its designed to do. It has a decent top 4 rate, but literally the best 1st place rate

[quaint arrow]

Well what I'm saying is that

If you win 4-6

The egg goes down 4 turns

If you lose 4-6 the egg goes down 2 turns

[kind bloom]

So...maybe we're just incompatible communicators because somehow jade nerfs became "Golden egg is slightly nerfed"...which...thats a hard left.

As for Golden egg, we'll keep an eye on it if the Treasure dragon turn impacts it too hard. Right now though, it could stand for a 1 turn nerf.

[bright tangle]

presumably golden egg when correctly balanced should have a very strong avg placement

[quaint arrow]

Well I was sort of just taking your word for it and moving onto something else

[bright tangle]

because you can only take it from a good spot

[quaint arrow]

There's only so much analysis you can do with no data to back it up

But my thing with the golden egg

Was that if you're going to fix augments not triggering on td

Egg should be one of the first to be addressed

[kind bloom]

We did adress it

the high risk augment wasn't actually high risk, it was win more

so we fixed the issue, and gave it a "nerf"

[quaint arrow]

But it still triggers on treasure dragon no?

[kind bloom]

.......

[tribal pier]

wait if scale procs spark why wouldnt it proc runaans

or was scale changed?

[kind bloom]

Clear, there is nothing less productive and more annoying than the team going "Heres 20 bug fixes" and you going "Well what about this 21st"

[quaint arrow]

I mean I get that but I think it's a legitimate concern instead of just trying to be like haha you forgot this one

Because right now

[inner anchor]

As someone who’s been playing nothing but Whisper: removing the emblem was 100% the right choice. Just too many broken interactions. I’m thinking that Whisper 6 might still be really good though.

[quaint arrow]

4-6 is the most important round to win on golden egg

Like lets say I take golden egg on tourney

I actually roll down to 0 basically on 4-6

To ensure I win this one round

Because it's worth double

Which I can't help but feel is not really good for the augment

[hollow moon]

I recall a game where I swore someone's golden egg popped a turn before mine.
Is that what you're explaining Clear?

[quaint arrow]

Egg goes down 1 or 2 turns on treasure dragon based on the round before

[vernal badge]

this was addressed earlier so there's no real reason to expand on this further no?

[hollow moon]

im always happy to learn more
but me also trust TFT dev team does right thing.
Me continue to play and collect more data

[quaint arrow]

To me it's not a power level thing it's just 4-6 is way more high risk reward than it should be

[bright tangle]

the way i read this is he acknowledged it was a bug but that it was annoying to point it out like this

[vernal badge]

^

[quaint arrow]

My point was more so highlighting that this particular augment would require more special attention than just removing the treasure dragon interaction

Rather than being yo you forgot one

Because right now treasure dragon is effectively removing 1.5 turns from egg assuming 50% round win rate

Which is not particularly easy to address if you want it to be consistent with treasure dragon not triggering augments while also keeping power level consistent

[bright tangle]

well. i am keen to play the new patch 🙂

[hollow moon]

TIME TO CARRY APHELIOS

[bright tangle]

7.5 is good, i think

[hollow moon]

[austere geyser]

Happy to hear that Zugz

[vernal badge]

yeah im hopping on this patch as soon as it drops

[deft helm]

@patent iron

[quiet jay]

Terra buffs when

[rose heron]

What are the stats on Nilah and assassins so far? I haven't seen many used with success in my games yet

[maiden delta]

@empty rover

[rose heron]

But overall I have to say this set feels much more flexible and enjoyable than 7.0... and I did quite enjoy 7.0 😄

[hollow hornet]

Yeah I easy Mr. 100 last night with a vertical Jade comp. Just classic Bonky Kong with only support for my Gnar in Jayce. The attack speed was ridiculous. My itemless dragon was still doing a lot just from the jade buffs alone.

[civic cloud]

Anybody know why they removed dragonmancer conference temporarily. Just curious

[maiden delta]

prob cuz farming yasuo is too easy especially if you get dragonmancer conference + think fast, you just hit yas 3star lvl 7

[civic cloud]

Ahh true there are very few dragonmancers in comparison to mage

I had a loaded dice game where I insta 3 starred Kaisa sett and karma and I was one of yas 3 with dragonmancer conference and the last guy ffd. But if that’s the case I don’t see it coming back.

[maiden delta]

only one unit dif, 5 dmancer + yas vs 4 mage + sohm + zoe
could just be the dmancer emblem + dmancer conference was/wasnt printing the emblem unit incorrectly

[civic cloud]

Yeah I guess it’s only one unit but that’s 9 extra to print and that’s 9 rounds so more than a whole stage which can be significant no? But also if there is a bug then that is the much more obvious reason.

[neat quest]

Don't allow players to get +2 shimmerscale from augments (can't hit shimmerscale heart if you have shimmerscale soul) The win is basically handed to you if you have +2 shimmer from augs

[steady fox]

why was d-mancer conference removed?

it was so fun

[mighty zodiac]

it lacked a compelte unit

[fair yarrow]

scroll up

[mighty zodiac]

yordle was 2 1 2 2 2 3, so was mageconf but dconf was 2 1 1 2 2 3 which made it insanely streamlined

[fair yarrow]

[viscid sleet]

It was so broken, I Just had a 3star yasuo at stage 5 yesterday

[steady fox]

oh i see, that makes sense. I was not so lucky in my game lol

[rose heron]

PATCH LIVE

😄

[swift shore]

Man this thread needs less Clears (not helpful, very uncool)
and more of me (very helpful, handsome, and reports real issues)

[meager cargo]

[fervent mortar]

I wonder why not take Aphelios self stun when casting instead

[swift shore]

btw did some cannon nomsy today looks to be fixed maybe was one of the unlisted bugfixes

[jagged heart]

new swain is cute