#Experimenting for a potential music XP tec

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ashen jetty
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So, there is no hard evidence to support that this actually works beyond the experience of most who do this, but I swear, this works most of the time in speeding up XP gain.

When performing with an instrument, lute, horn, drum, when your XP procs, switch to the next song you have unlocked, in whatever order without repeating until you've gone through your set

This doesn't always work, but I will swear up and down that it goes faster then if you were to just AFK it like so many people say you can just do.

I would like others to try this to help confirm that this works and that I'm not just going crazy.

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mossy zinc
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interesting, I'll certainly give it a try too

brave scaffold
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"in whatever order, in order" <-- please elaborate

ashen jetty
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in whatever order, without repeating until you've gone through your set.

ashen jetty
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gonna post a video showing me playing for a bit. Judge for yourselves if I'm just going nuts, or if I'm reliably "chaining" XP procs or something.

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first proc on starting performance is a 1:10, and there's never another gap that large.

ivory storm
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This is very interesting - how many times did you proc in this 4:30 clip?

Could you record another 4:30 clip where you leave your guy playing 1 song the entire time?

ashen jetty
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I have maxed all my instruments as much as I can at the moment, unfortunatly.

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now if you were willing to donate a tuba or dulcimer.

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I never caught a particuarly huge "chain" recording for level 9, but I've had it proc 4 times nearly back to back at my luckiest.

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(which is what made me decided I had to put the word out to see if anyone knows whats going on or could help experiment with this.)

limpid fractal
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Just rng, ive maxed out all instruments and the only real thing Ive seen is that if you play a single "note" too long you stop getting exp. Im talking like 5-10 minutes of no other actions. Ive gotten 8 procs in one minute with one note before and ive alternated through my entire set for 10 minutes and got ~6-7 procs. Its just rng

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Depending on how they coded it there MIGHT be an advantage for quickly changing to new notes since you can get a proc shortly after starting playing. I feel like they would have been smart enough to add in some kind of ICD to combat that though.

ashen jetty
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I see.

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I just don't get why you can near instantly get another proc far more often if you switch notes,

limpid fractal
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You are experience confirmation bias

ashen jetty
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Probably. thats part of why i ask.

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I'm still gonna swear by this the same way a kid says spamming the B button makes you more likely to successfully catch a pokemon.

limpid fractal
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You notice it when it happens and you arent remembering when it didnt. Ive gone through lots of instrument leveling the past month to max it all out and the only thing I know for sure happens is the exp stopping if I didnt change notes often enough (like I said, 5-10 minutes or so)

ashen jetty
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No I'm fully remembering all the times it didn't.

limpid fractal
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I changed notes every time I saw an exp proc, but I definitely didnt follow any pattern and I didnt see any boost in exp other than just avoiding the afk penalty

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I usually alternated between 1 and 2 because it was easiest to hit

ashen jetty
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Nope. you botched it.

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gotta keep going across all the ones you have.

limpid fractal
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I did that in the beginning, I didnt see any difference in xp/hour

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So i went to just 1 and 2

ashen jetty
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Well, I want to ask,

limpid fractal
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You are seeing a pattern that doesnt exist

ashen jetty
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how often do you see xp pop less then 5 seconds appart?

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I only ever see that happen when I do this. And maybe that's just me.

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because I was never that lucky outside of this.

limpid fractal
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I would say it happened a few times a session, and it was intermixed with equally slow times. I only did it really when I was gardening for an hour with potion

ashen jetty
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Mmm.

limpid fractal
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Its just rng, with MAYBE some kind of low ICD benefit to changing notes more often. But its definitely not following any kind of pattern

ashen jetty
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I do think, that a part of it is that it's also keeping you on task, so your not letting yourself, you know, idle.

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psycological thing,

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I just want to know, you know?

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I want more data.

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Maybe sometime I'll get someone who's willing to make an alt specifcially to idle play a lute as I active play, and we can see where we compare after a few minuets.

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(all of this over something you only ever do once for a, negligable ammount of time compared to other stuff, lol)

limpid fractal
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Like I said, there is definitely some kind of anti-afk measure (or bug) but it only seems to start happening around the 5-10 min mark of not changing notes. I was talking to prevent the afk logout but I noticed after ~5-10 min of not performing a new instrument action the xp stopped.

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Once I started changing notes I never went more than 2-3 minutes without an proc, the average proc time being every ~40 seconds

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my procs per hour were in the 90 range

ashen jetty
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Idk. I can't comment on that without questioning confirmation bias.

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it feels faster then times I idle, but,

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as I said.

limpid fractal
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If youre idling for more than 5-10min then yea, it is slower

ashen jetty
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Oh no, I know about that. I have known about that. I'm just saying, you said you never went more then 2 to 3 without. I feel like I've gone longer on average, when I idle, even before that 5 minuet mark.

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I just need to organize something at some point to really put this tec I've been doing since near when I started playing to the test.

limpid fractal
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Im sure there might have been 1 time where I went 4-5 minutes but I didnt notice. I can guarantee you wont find statistically significant results showing a pattern works assuming you control for the ~5-10min afk thing

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Its just rng, like most things in the game

ashen jetty
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Yea. Even my method is prone to that, as I've said.

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which is what makes this so hard to claim.

limpid fractal
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Considering you can max it all out in about 10-12 hours of gameplay, I wouldnt worry too much about it anyways. Just change notes often to avoid the afk thing

ashen jetty
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and why I never say anything any certaitny outside of "I swear this works,"

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Yea I know.

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I just, mnh,

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like I said, I gotta know.

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I'll get some guildies to make some alts sometime and we'll run an experiment.

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you can't tell me your not at least a little curious though.

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this game is, weird, after all.

limpid fractal
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Not really, because like I said I tried the alternating method the first 2 instruments I did and then I got tired of keeping track and swapped to 1-2 and didnt see any real difference in my xp/hour. The great thing about looking at hourly exp is that its easier to control for outliers and my hourly exp when I was avoiding the afk thing was in ~90 procs per hour range. Lowest I saw was in the 80s, one amazing hour was just above 100

ashen jetty
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Mmm.

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is that a vip feature?

limpid fractal
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Its a "use a notepad and check the clock" feature lol

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recorded my xp level before a session, checked it an hour later

ashen jetty
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Mmm. lol.

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fair.

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the classic.

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math.

limpid fractal
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Something I have learned to do for all the mmos Ive played over the past 30 years. Its easy to feel like something works better, but reality is usually much more boring when you actually document and timestamp results

ashen jetty
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I respect that. I do.

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Kills a lot of the magic though. I have enough sciences I study irl. This bit of ignorance is something I'm usually happy to indulge in.

limpid fractal
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Yea, its fine to feel a certain way, but you cant then tell other people to act on your feelings 😛

ashen jetty
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but this is one of those cases where I might of stubled upon something that might actually help people.

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So, suddenly, I want to know.

limpid fractal
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The help would be telling them that they need to change notes every so often because it conforms to both our experiences. The "feeling" that shouldnt be spread is that there is a pattern you have to follow to get the best results

ashen jetty
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I titled this thread "potential".

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but I probably should rename it a bit.

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Experimenting for a potential music XP tec

limpid fractal
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Sure, but im telling you its almostly certainly not true. I dont have a spreadsheet of all my exp procs and time stamps and recordings of all the cycles I did so I cant confidently say it is definitely 100% not true, but my limited record keeping shows the possibility of it being true is less likely than just you feeling a pattern exist with a limited data set and confusing it for the real thing which is the afk thing we talked about

ashen jetty
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"Almost".

limpid fractal
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More data is more better, just dont want you to get your hopes up because after the past month I am extremely confident the only pattern is the afk thing lol

ashen jetty
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and that's fair.

limpid fractal
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You are definitely right to warn new players not to afk, when I started I was doing that and probably wasted an hour or two of potential exp time before I realized it

ashen jetty
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that, we can both agree on at least. Yea I've come back to having been logged out as well.

limpid fractal
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well when I say afk I dont mean literally afk so that it logs you out. I was chatting to avoid the log out timer but I would go 15-20min without an xp proc and not realize it. I just assumed it could be that long

ashen jetty
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haaaa, that too of course.

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But yea. This could well just have always been a method that happened to also ensure one doesn't hit the 5 minuet mark. I will conceed that.

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but all of this just wants to make me know for sure even more. XD

limpid fractal
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Yea wanting to know isnt wrong. Like I said, no harm in actually testing with controls and documented results, who knows stranger things have been proven. Just as long as you go in knowing it might be a wash then you wont feel bad if it turns out to be. Science is 90% disappointing confirmation of expected results and 10% "WTF JUST HAPPENED"

ashen jetty
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I was baited once as akid into a documentary for kids about a group that thought they had a lead on, atlantas or something, and it turned out to just be nothing.

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That lesson was the moral of it.

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aaaaanyway, for now though I'm way too tired after pulling an all nighter to reliably do anything like setting up a proper experiement, but all this did make me realize that, people can say whatever, and it won't convince me at all until I set something up myself.