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can we start selling talon runs
Can we sell people
fatedless 👀
Fr tho the most significant improvement in IS5 is realizing that you’re supposed to refresh less and not more
For lamp ofc
i need to refresh more tbh
Theyre gonna read ghis and end up with 0 kings
no literally thats how i was moving before
0k by end of f4 💀
that being said trag is trag and lets you do things like that
Fateless players will say they barely refresh but watch what they do when f4 has no lnf
just m3 is fine tbh
Nah, m3 does it all
the ONE run i don't have perfumer
not even leveled
Mon3tr. Just retreat your reconstruction from time to time
Pretty sure the flower hp is static across all difficulties too
i mean by quilon you should have some aspd and 3k so the healing isn't much of a problem
So perfumer freaking stinks
didn't work and i sacrificed her to boat, either way she can't heal THAT far
i just saw a video of someone using perfumer
she can get the 3 above quilon and some ground ops can link to the lower ones
A video by who 💀
silvergun
Bro
Silvergun is not a reliable source of IS knowledge
You dont need to reach every single flower, just heal enough so they dont explode onto your ops
Mon3tr with her chain healing will pretty much keep the map safe
ya you'll miss some of them in the far corners but those also aren't a threat at all
i didn't get haruka back in time
You can use her s3 to dodge the boat too
You can dodge the boats with m3 s3
the plan was let her be eaten
Haruka sucks tbh
Do that on the last boat
haruka known quercus sidegrade
Theres no need to rush
if you follow the tacfort placement maybe
And send her
In general your draft is kinda scattered
they are my best units
Usually the play is to just draft 3 flingers + monster and beat up quilon
also GG carried my ass
i'm trying not to borrow
true no wisadel for that ISC medal
else i'd probably win first try
She shares the hand with pram anyway
They may be the best ops you have in an ex stage, but they're not the best units for IS specifically
actually is pram like draftable in snipermed or is this schizo
it sounded schizo
We cant be saying that and mix 3 hands plus a book
If youre planning on playing is5, reduce your node count pressure starting from minimizing your comp
if you wanna do rumble mixer
Never tested, sounds schizo though
Even if you dont borrow wis , greyy alter with rumble is pretty damn good
altho even then its like pram and then the entire first class gang so idk
I assume they straight up don't know how lamp works and might be playing talons or fateless tbh
my sample size is one random guy
they're also my best units for IS pretty sure
Do you know how lamp of wishes works
It might clear things up for you to understand how lamp works, since that's why I'm specifically saying that it'd be better to have no operator than take some of the ops you did
Meow meow meow
lamp + talons
got the hands and kings from lamp then switched to talons
You lnf swapped!
That strat is a slight bit outdated by now tbh, realistically its better to play lamp / talons all the way since that lnf will mess with your ending acquisition
Plus, chalice and coin operated toy is a huge part of lamp’s overall power
quilon without aspd :ya:
yeah it took me many attempts to get a good run
but with only lamp i end up with too few ops
Chalice too important
Chalice is like tripling your damage
what's challice?
You can definitely afford to drop a few units like sa alt and haruka by that point
Golden chalice
7 aspd for every 5 ingots owned
ohhh
Guaranteed if you have 150 ingots and enter a wish fulfilled with lamp with no hands to troll you
The whole point of lamp is to assemble a single hand + kings + chalice + coin operated toy
And then bulldoze with only like 3 6*
you can do that?
Dare i say its half of what makes lamp good
Specialist game
You can do it with even less 6* if you want
But that's why we're saying to stop drafting like this
If youre only grabbing hand + kings youre far from utilizing its full potential
If you only need 3 6* you don't need much hope
You grab lnf on f3
Afterwards you shop rob which gives 112 ingots
“Oh no! My steak is too juicy and my lobster too buttery!”
Wait. This kinda sound illegal

how do you even do quilon with so litle units
you gotta make boat take them away
and kill the boss
and defend 2 lanes
999 
3 6* and I could've done it with 2 tbh
what dps can i use if no rosmontis?
oh wait
just une 4*s
that's an option...
if i had them leveled
Wisadel
again trying to not use sup
We can't really know what you can use since you never showed us your ops
you can buy a cheeto + degen core for 60$ in the shop
The principle is going to be the same though, pick like 3 or 4 6* that at most have one hand combined. Then bulldoze
Like pram greyy alt hoshi monster saki probably low diffs quilon at d10
Mangopies forgot their signature “theyre good for stronghold”

no greyalt
Bro has mylnar but didn't build him
1- got leizi alt so he's extremely low prio
2- just got him yesterday and i have more units to level and no mats
Unironically should just go all in on gvg with these ops
only guard you need is sakiko im ngl
Idk about extremely low prio but ig this isnt the time to argue financial decisions
But yes this looks like a mlyn into ulpi gvg angle
what's gvg?
Leizi, Ulpianus, Saki, Surfer, Kroos alter, Monster, Ethan, Silence (optional), hoshi alt (optional)
Amiya
Grab mon3tr along the way, raise your surfer and we’re chilling
This will easily stomp d10 quilon
Can even draft amiya / silverash alter
sa2 good here too tbh
sa2 can actually do things for quilon lane holding
its quite good
Guard / vanguard class squad
Just pick guard vanguard and e2 start leizi or saki yeah
“Tactical Assault Squad”
E2 guard, deep color, amiya medic
which skill?
3
3
makes sense
Ngl sa2 S3 + leizi is my gen content opener rn its pretty good
One guard on each side and then another guard for map 2
probably sakiko, idk if starting with leizi is good for early stages
But ig sakiko is better for your starter, shes easier to use
People mylnar start
ohhh you start with both
I don't think it'd be very different
No you dont ignore that message its causing confusion
yeah it's 100% possible but sounds like a pain
btw what 4*s are the ones worth leveling for is?
But yeah you can saki if you want
Have this many life point early but can't find a freaking store. Guess what is the 1st legend node I opened there 
Recommended low rarity operators (4★ and 5★) for IS5 (Sarkaz).
i will stop pulling entirely after this banner ends (gonna spark mumu not for meta) so i will have time to save mats and level units
Not like theres anything worth pulling
titi for spa
i mean even skipping wang
till anni
feel like bad RNG now. Not gonna lie
to some degree try to avoid legend nodes because yea you can hit full heal at max hp 😔
Titi for is3
titi for that permastall with mizuki 👀
wait so you don't start with bluepring or ingot right?
the guard vanguard one
how do you guarantee calice?
by getting ingots wdym
do you need X ammount of ingots to guarantee calice?
150
show your prospective investment
60
start investing
very doable tbh
you will end up with 999 just waiting for plans 🙄
repeat
leizi has s1 so probably not as hard as mlynar
true, just still a pain
like
annoying
yeh
don't have a brain? Saki start is for you!
its because its so good you dont need to think
i wasted my brain doing the ls-4 CC today, no more brain for today
it's ok we just pretend simulated skirm doesn't exist
and careless magic
can saki do motorized squad even
F5 stages aren't real and they can't hurt me
we cope tbh
Funny way to spell king’s lance
I still gotta do is6 ed3
Funny way to spell king’s crown
Bro
I need to bead ed2 without it
Who endorsed this creature
maybe they just haven't posted it(
Eyanx will post his crazy gvg talons vod soon (after hiding his past 8 hours of wiping) and it'll be trag
e1 trag + a bunch of randoms probably wriggles through it
Every gvg talons that I’ve come across recently has been some sort of trag abuse
whats the point of gvg if its trag
I remember the time when I coached a noob through motorized squad when their only anti air was medic amiya
solo carry up to the end of f5 wcydo
Never gamed harder in my life
🧠
chen3 will save gvg 😔
Nah itll still be trag
chen3 good for trees even
caught that mantragodia + chen3 court visit on my feed recently
the hwat
This weird chen3 mlynar comp has been popping up in my feeds and its some form of trag abuse for every map
how broken is tragodia
More like just trag
Trag solves the entire p1 and can deal with the waves of devourers after theresis’s death
but you get some crazy s3s

mantra start forbidden tech?
wait
if im playing is5.... 50 more pulls till ros spark

its def a worse starter
its just that
i dont own mantra

i mean its not all bad
starting with sniper/defender voucher is good
but trag is more goated
unfortunately i am poor
for is5 d18, what happens if i trade this in lost and found? do i get another debuff
regular relic
finally cleared wang d10... haruka carried my ass
Normal relic, so you can legally get rid of Negative Relics you have.
The one who changes the F5 Final Boss map and Ending-related Relics cannot be traded by any means here, however.
me when im in lost and found and i give the guy some ultra cursed shit (they give me back something really good)
trag lowkey doesnt do much in the current endings its unfortunate
what's the best squad to start chat
what is
difficulty?
9
well either tianshi or flower for 6
for 5 either bp or ingot
for 5 playing snipermed is also fine
if you have the team
that's fine
either sneg,myrtle, or beanstalk
Tianshi is really strong
Excuse me, is this exploit still working?
Seed [55E5823UUu54156aAO,rogue_5,18]
Guide https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1kwziBNE3r
▶Timestamp
00:00 Tourist Squad
00:07 Unlimited Kettles
01:17 Kettle Punch 1
01:38 How to do All Star
03:40 Sui
05:36 Kettle Punch 2
09:46 Hòu shòu & Jǔ shòu
11:23 DLC2 All-Star Boss Battle
16:25 Ending 5
▶Music🎵
醉飛塵
Battleplan Extinguished S...
the luck in question is having Ling in your bosky
I see, I saw it once among tens of my runs, but idk if they patch it or no
thanks for the info
-# otherwise they wouldn't have made her gamba much rarer
emergency, faceoff, bosky are highest value
also shop depending if you have the money (you should)
also iirc f4-5 encounters are better than early encounters
but dont quote me
:ya:
hell nah bruh
this mf made a tourist ling exploit and post it on youtube
ew
What kind of toss is this
is it worth taknig
Starting a combat with 99 DP sounds broken to me
End4
and how do i end4
Scout node in Normal World
An additional option appear

i send that op to brazil
Scout in scroll
Basically yes
That guy will be banned until End4 Final Boss
do i need candleguests to fight in end4
So pick the worst
damn
You need ops in scrolls
Whoever didn't getting yet
what are scrolls
The option
Dude are u serious asking every single thing u see 
It has "scroll" in button.
no way
Steward for Kjerag mafia
Hour of Yin
ok i sent my op to brazil
now how do i get more ops to enter brazil
Floor 6
There will be Bosky
A special one
With different layout from standard you see
U really love Brazil
There's a lot of Doubt that is actually Scout
Start from worst to best ops you have
Because there's some battle nodes as well
How many coupons u have
Safe House may give 2 Coupons, if you have such TechTree upgrade.
i have full tech
I'm actually curious how do you manage to reach Bosky by that.
encounter EM shop, buy whistle enter bosky take 1 turmoil, comes out and vertical into bosky
well i kinda want to get pathfinder too
Saved too much vouchers
Since youre on tianshi you can afford to use bosky option 2 to use candle and light them

But still, 3 saved vouchers is too much heading into f3
Top path would be fine if that lnf isnt there
But i would prob still go EM and path down
If you took Unsealed Case (you didint) on f2 i might just take the ending here
Oh wait you got the part 2 done already
hi ^3
Hi
yes
Because it actually has some meaningful gimmicks 
Also remember to set mod A as a default
Nah, she will be set on paid leave till ending 5 out 
how do i get this ending?
A comprehensive guide to help readers reach Difficulty 10+ and complete every Raidian mission along the way.
operators return from scout after entering boskys right
this is d4, how should i approach this
I have a raidian solo vid with 2 leaks, fix those leaks with other ops
First fight in f5 timestamp
https://youtu.be/DfD9_Z4himw?si=yG2uQYcx_Yuv_ALI
Is the risk coin any good, its effects seems...
Ridiculous
It’s funny
If you REALLY like gambling
...
I already have the relic that scrambles the cost of my units
Why would i need double gambling
Gamble your gambling to gamble gambling
GAMBLE
This will most likely make you lose the run but God would it be funny
Or what give my beefed up rosmontis stats to castle??!!
MAYBE????
Hmmmmmmmmmm
That coin will certainly ruin my ending 4 attempt
My inner gremlin is saying
LETS GO GAMBLING!
While my common sense says NO
It is a Risk coin so +1 Coupon if you have Interdependent Luck or will help with risk coins checks. it is also in the 8 Ingots pool so you can use it in Plan to get stuff (but the effect is bad)
(left what you put in, right what you can get)
You know what guys, im taking the silly risk coin, i got coupons to toss more coins
Any advice for this harder stage,
I never got pass it before
Tis not much harder
I got a relic called Bells of Agreement in IS6. “For every Candleguest promoted via combat…”, what does that mean? You only promote Candleguests outside of combat. What does promoting via combat mean?
Boss Kamikazes now fly with different trajectory.
Mid to mid on the center, rear one walks diagonally in the center of mid of stage.
Be aware to how they fly and don't deploy ops.
The rest is the same basically
Only map and enemy roster changes.
pathfinder has a "special battle" that you can use to candleguess operator
Face off as well
And coin.
also the Lei Fa tongbao
Somehow I have never seen a face off node
Are they locked behind higher difficulty
Pussy ways like give voucher to -2 Hope does nothing to this.
probably need to unlock it on the tech tree or sth
Tech tree??
Go do more runs to unlock it
xd
Yes, TechTree
What
Are you aware of that existence?
I am realizing I know nothing about IS6
Upgrading that tree is important
every IS has upgrade tree
Are you a IS rookie?
on the main menu
After you complete a run you get points to upgrade the tree

some people finished the reward milestone without even knowing of the meta progression even exists
No. I am level 104 on IS2, 158 on 3, 88 on 4, and 95 on 5, I play this mode regularly
But it has been a while since I played Arknights so I think I just forgot that mechanic existed
is this akki alt?
is3 max is 180
No I am just larping as Akki
It's Battlepass
New updates gave more upgrades for future runs

Get that tree maxed out
My god
I never realized
I thought that it was just like an extra bonus thing
Like music or lore
To be fair it’s a tiny button
I play on mobile so I keep glossing over it
It’s off to the side too
Opposite of the starting new run button
It is literally tucked away in my peripheral vision
No wonder I felt like I was ramming myself against a wall
Well now you know
Yeah i got some really good advice from here for my runs
WHAT ARE ELITE BREAKTHROUGH MISSIONS
HELP
Where do I check that
Never mind I just had to click the right space
I was tapping on the wrong thing
Also, is it recommended to go for Tianshi Bureau, Tourist, or Sui Regulator on the skill tree
But if you had to give a recommendation
OH
That is good
Also what is Stray Geistling acquisition rate
Sorry for all of the dumb questions
I am a moron
Pfff
is3 24
is4 234 all alter(coping)
is5 245 t3 egg
is6 235 t3
all on maxdiff ofc
Is2 can do 24 too but the encounter RNG is worse than actually playing it 
hi chat how hard is maxdiff is2 compared to other IS
Simple
Just draft the stuff that solves the boss relicless
Bosses are the only problematic part
(ed2 especially and ed4 a bit)
In IS3 you can also add forcing Wonderland
what is that?
btw what does t3 mean for IS-6?
Like Bosky (extra floor) with an additional Boss fight
ed5 has a few different difficulty variants and "t3" refers to the hardest (it not only makes ed5 fight harder but getting it also makes en route more demanding and adds some quite impactful general debuffs)
For context you need these two collectibles for t3 gift (they are completely option)
fish is cancer

literally make 2 teams - for bosky and for chongue
so just like ed4 run wher you make a team for f6 shoprob
is ed5 like ed5? just one node?
You take wit on f6 only -60% when you should get like +400% from collectibles
true
another reason why ed4 op
can send into scrolls
and get not candled e2 ops
In the first one you choose difficulty
oka no you're special

coin geists run 
see his node counts and then call normal😵💫
Yes, the hard part of collectibles maxing, you can get this debuff early in the run
getting 3 debuff relic on the start of floor 3 is average is3 experience 
If I could hold on that long 
Add to that ed4 and you can have 5 stacks
Meow
Just Get™ king’s crown
!!!!
Hoshis fucked your Hope curve, if not for her you would have e2 Wis
And probably e2 Exu
Don't pick Hoshi in IS3

true
Kal's Mon3tr is the only melee unit that works
And then some specialist... But they are special
||is that a jjk reference????||
Maybe 
this is below d16 he can take melees 🚬
What are the depth thresholds for the colors?
Something, something d12+ is the highest. Will this be sufficient?
become a helptard
Mm yummy answers
is4 are the best looking one
man who colored is6 should use his glasses and brain
Nop
relevancy
wat does this do
ed3
need more ops, not only her
but its medium diff, because 2 debuff relics and pathfinder battle
but still free
just draft Leizi2 or Hoshi2 or other strong melee units for prereq stage
Have y'all done ending 5 is6?

no i dont play that shit
4, one time only options for 3 candles
- 30 Ingots
- 10 LP
- 10 Shields
- 6 Coupons
1 infinity option for 2 Candles - 30 Ingots
What are some tips on what to bring/do for a good Ending 2 run in IS6?
exu2/raidian/asca/leizi2
and gravel prob
could take yato2 too
agents ofk
and min 20 lp
Ending 2 IS6
https://www.krooster.com/network/lookup/real-beige-aak-33l4
here’s my ops, I’m not using borrowing before you say Exuter or something like that that I don’t have.
I am, Struggling.
I don't like IS3
I hate IS3
I like is4
im sick :(
IS3 is the best
is-3 would be amazing if its rng wasn't run ending

I just finished IS2 so I was gonna move on to IS3. What am I hearing about RNG in IS3 lol is this a sign to put it off?
rng is just an excuse
Like you can play around it and most of your fails won't be caused but rng but some other mistakes
my 8 runs of no ed2 second encounter

excuse my ass
Okay ending can be annoying
(are you encounter maxing though?)
Ohh I see, reaching the endings you want is the RNG

its not
you can grab izumik 1st encounter, and get 0 rolls into 2nd
or no encounters at all at f5
Okay this was some external rare case
ON FUCKING 100 LIGHT
i have a million more nodes on is3 than u folks and this is not that big of a problem
its just annoying
THAT WAS EZ RUN
no way new elitist discovered

aint taking anything from u gang
kinda unrelated but is wisadel still getting banned from every tournament ever?
tournament where
or can people actually use them now?
For IS5 most likely
what tourney
In other not really
Picks and bans are a thing currently

🫃
Holy Ling exploit
nope
Entire skill tree day one 🧑💻
But for dlc2 you would want to do it on d15
just a normal flower run
its just shuttle and interdep diff
Just shuttle 
and ofk coin trade rng
nah, can prep on d11, finish run and do normal on d15

But d18 speedrun
hello chat, what is the best squad to do ed4 d12 in is6? 
for flower squad should i reroll f1 shop until get the interdep relic?
<@&586570970345635868> get em
<@&586570970345635868>
bro
<@&586570970345635868> free robux
bro
much better
bro
there was some porn yesterday
free crypto btw
not crypto
its like
voluntary giving your acc to the hackers or the ones behind it
plus u get scammed for 3k+ $
anyway for flower squad should i reroll f1 shop until get the interdep relic? need some advice
okay, thanks
How do I get this medal?
get lucky while fusing thoughts i think
Arent impressions falsetotrith/roguetrader/safehouse upgrades
Yes that one
oh 
hello i want to do IS for reward 65
is it possible to earcch lv 65 froma fresh day 2 account?? in 8 days(beofr the reset)??
no
IS5 yes
Is End of Times worth getting on F1 for the Shop steal exploit?
the reset doesn't reset your progress btw
Yes... But most likely no if you are new in the game and don't know the mechanics
IS6 also possible but requires more learning and much more time
oh so the rward for that is permanent?
anyone i should build from here for IS?
Not really. f1 robs are not optimal, and if you draft Raidian or some other strong units f3 rob is easy to win
For long term or for rushing the lv65 reward
So is End of Times ever worth taking aside from the Leader Squad?
Which IS
IS6 easily allows you to scale high so you rarely encounter any problems. Although if you don't have enough experience yet having it as a back up can sometimes help you
right now i lack the roster so for rushing to get rewards
at least wis e2 as main carry
and then borrow either tragodia or exusia alter at start
i am working towards wis e2 rn base is holding me back and the mats for wis e2 is also in the path at lv 10 so i thought doing IS is great value
go do monthly
valid i though so as well i was hoping for a hidden gem to be there in my roster xd
what is that
is this valid to use for e2 raidan start? or is it just a waste of moneys
montly pass?
Yes, might be the difference between getting blocked by bosky combat and not
monthly squad
at the main page of any theme, thing down
the mode where we play with the give unit?
yes
but that dosent give me the token for path/rewards progression when the mode ends
What are some of the things that guarantee good scaling? I had an awful time in the beginning but now I’m liking it (this IS) but it’s so random that the quality of a run varies wildly
why not just ping one of the active mods instead of the entire mod team
Man...

active mods
2 idle, 2 not disturb
<@&586570970345635868> yet another free robux!!!
im used to it
mod r friendly
thats a 3rd time today?
Snail react him
yeah you should 
🐌
I alone am the greatest lowroller this world has ever seen
play IS --> lowroll --> explode to easiest boss --> repeat

Thats not the easiest boss but ok
“Explode to easiest boss” posts fisherman alter
talis seems to be bigger prio
I mean sakiko is the one who did all the damage to the boss so
how are you supposed to stop the boss from putting the teleporting tile things under your operators btw?
bcs raidan just got immediately pulled and nuked
kill him fast
Thats the neat thing, you dont
or pray to rnjesus
You've gotten fisherman alter twice while I've never gotten it once my whole is 6 career 
Yeah, you just rush him ASAP.
The more he lives, the worse to you.
I usually Wis S3 his ass off.
My first time seeing that map was because of you
You can cc him to cancel his skills
While in Camo, he cannot apply talismans at her.
So if you can time it for example Project Red can do something
So I just even deploy Wis near him.
faster indeed
50% hp and atk on the throwers is diabolical
How come with the malus that puts talisman on vanguard on deploy, sa2 does not get the talisman if i use his s2 before it appears?
It just does not appear at all
It definitely should
But if i'm too late to activate his s2, he gets the talisman
Are you sure you're not just killing it too fast because of gnosis dot or something?
Nop
Hi I would like ingots please
rich
When i use myrtle s1 instantly, she still get the talisman but with sa s2 it does not spawn idk why
are alternative final boss stages guaranteed to appear in IS4 on difficulty 12 or higher?
no its 30% chance
per boss
If you have tragodia he's kind of a joke
If you have Gnosis he’s a lot of a joke
If you have both you relicless clear 
I try not to rely on Tragodia too much
isn't it 35
trivializes the game too much
my 35% feels like 50%
Yeah, you can use wishadel summons to bait it you're prob fine
This is the better version cuz he’s not griefing you from back there 
Lucky you (still not enough for me to waste 1.5 hours on en route)
Doesnt he have a variant where he's already spawned in the middle or something?
Might be misremembering it was a while back
yo what

huuuuh better odds for flower toss here or no I cant do math
ig (just AI calc it
)
Someone needs to make a tongbao odd calculator if they havent already smh
We have one
Oh wait its included in the exchange calc no way
I get a 2.5% extra chance tossing a flower than a bal surely this means something
WITH THE POWER OF MATH
sigma
what's the best is3 squad?
People oriented cause you just draft everyone you need and win relicless
People oriented
Or spec/cast if you feeling fancy
Spec/Cast or People-Oriented
On lower diffs you can make other class squads work
what's spec?
Like Snipe/Med with Rosmontis is funny
Tactical destruction
kugh...why...i've tried so many times..why i cannot even beat the pathfind fight to end 3...it sucks
This is why leizi is so good
Because you are not drafting melee carries like Hoshi alter or Leizi alter
what are ur ops
wtf
b-but, If I didn't borrow Tragodia, it would have been very difficult at the beginning.
Leizi works as an opener if you draft raidian later

no? just borrow exu2
Tragodia is bad in ed3
I use sakiko, trag, wisadel, mon3ter, and silverash alt for most of my runs
SilverAsh should open
If you scale a bit
Place him right above the red box facing right
Kill the guys there
And open the range tiles in the corner
You can place Raidian and Trag there
Raidian S2 will carry most of the fight from here
i dont use raidian since i haven't build her properly..and i just borrow trag for starter
Use special squad
You will have free maxed Raidian (no Proficiencies though but you should have most of them at this point)
even though i just have her in e1 training?
On what difficulty are you?
ahh...i dont know that..
2
Did you cleared it? (Like in won a run on it)
not yet, as i said before..i just tried end 3 after completing ed 1 and 2..and i failed so much when i come to ed 3

Special Squad won't work yet
The recommended thing to do would be maxing skill tree and Raidian first
is Rosmontis with the IS module good?
And only after that working about other ending
Very good in IS5, strong in IS3
Niche in IS6, works in IS2, bad in IS4
Encounter has 0 value on average unless you are fishing for endings








