is-station

[lofty quiver]

Walk in and learn big guy

[sly harness]

A potential collectible

[lost flicker]

So he's useless now essentially right

[lofty quiver]

You can do it

[lofty quiver]

Not at all

[sly harness]

No he is used for bind and he will still bind

[lofty quiver]

It doesn't affect his bind at all

[sly harness]

And he is cheaper to deploy

[lost flicker]

Yknow what fair

[lofty quiver]

And now he's cheap and redeployable

One of the ideal ops for that rejection

[inland elbow]

If anything he got buffed

In general with metastatic it dramatically changes how you should approach drafting

Since raw stat stick ops get shat on

But utility ops just get immesnely buffed

[lost flicker]

That makes sense actually

[sly harness]

There is a progression guide in pined you can check it

[lost flicker]

I guess his less likely to be targetd also helps with it too

Ok thanks yall

[woeful anchor]

nop kal is my favorite stat stick

😇

[inland elbow]

Calling kal a stat stick is rude af

She has stats and stun bomb!!!

[remote badger]

what if u didn't have her

[nocturne cape]

glory pack second economic mon3tr

[sly harness]

Glory pack Trag cat

[nocturne cape]

trag cat doesnt have the stats!

[sly harness]

Ling dragons then

[remote badger]

but why would you draft ling

[faint rampart]

[woeful anchor]

draft radian

[sly harness]

For glory pack

[woeful anchor]

help told me shes good for IS

😇

[sly harness]

She has cc on S3

So she is probably good in IS3

[stray dove]

summons are summons

and without that specific relic

deployment limit is ass

[lofty quiver]

Well, now I know better

[remote badger]

timeworn poetry strips

[lofty quiver]

14 leaks

[paper notch]

you wont find me calling raidian good for is3 welfare only

[remote badger]

the fu

[inland elbow]

But welfareknights sucks!!!

Heidi and ce is banned!

[paper notch]

s3 doesnt deal enough damage. s2 is a ground summon

we live in a society

she's just fine

[paper notch]

i think of what could've been sometimes 🥀

[sly harness]

Surely you can stall Izumik with Gladiia like in those CCB3 620 clears

[lofty quiver]

banned from what

[woeful anchor]

erm

izumik too heacvy

need ange

or relic

[sly harness]

Just get 🧑‍💻

[paper notch]

welfareknights doesnt count free units from episodes as welfares

[woeful anchor]

wow the just get technologies

[lofty quiver]

that's silly

[inland elbow]

Just get the +2 shift force spec book

And -1 weight

Easy as

[paper notch]

bet

[inland elbow]

Should be a single pull

[stray dove]

fucking weird technicalities....

so Amiya's not a fucking welfare?

[rocky agate]

Love not being able to go ending 4 because the game doesn't feel like it

[stray dove]

what IS?

IS2 or IS3?

[rocky agate]

IS4

[paper notch]

never has been

[stray dove]

thats a reason why you do the pre-fight as early as you can

or luckier...

[rocky agate]

No you dont get it

[stray dove]

if you get the Love foldartal

[rocky agate]

I got the thing from trader on floor 5

No encounter node after

[stray dove]

why did you buy it that late?

[rocky agate]

I went to 3 traders and none of them had it with rerolls

[paper notch]

savage isnt a welfare but conviction and u-official are 👍

[rocky agate]

Supreme ass

[stray dove]

it should've been there and then....

actually

you should actually just buy it in F1 shop

and avoid any encounters

hell

[rocky agate]

It wasnt there

[stray dove]

.....how.

like every F1 shop i do in doing Cecity hunting

it's always there

[rocky agate]

It wasnt

[stray dove]

that's so cursed

[rocky agate]

I went across multiple traders and seriously only got it on floor 5

Yeah Im not kidding

[stray dove]

ok so here's the thign

[rocky agate]

I had a gem of a run too

[stray dove]

just restart a run

if you can't buy it in F1

like seriously

[rocky agate]

Im not gonna do that though

Completing a run still provides me xp

[stray dove]

so you're fine having these aimless runs?

ah

you're still not max cap

[rocky agate]

No

Im grinding it out

[stray dove]

thats fine

[rocky agate]

I just want to get an ending 4 under my belt before I start grinding out levels on higher difficulties

[lofty quiver]

that's how I go about it yeah

[rocky agate]

But yeah I just got amazingly screwed

[sly harness]

The ed4 prereq isn't hard

[lofty quiver]

one of each ending, then the other required clears for those story chunks, before going for levels and whatnot

[rocky agate]

No its not

[sly harness]

You can get the collectible from the shop at any point

[rocky agate]

But the game hit me with horrible rng

[paper notch]

the problem is tha the didnt get it at all in the shop

[sly harness]

Ig even f1 if you open Exu alter

[stray dove]

ngl, excluding Raidian requirements

I only do other endings

starting in D12

to get some squad clears out of the way

and get acclimated to the easiest version of those endings in a max tier squad clear setting

[sly harness]

This should be super rare

It is almost always in the shop

[rocky agate]

Yeah Im aware

Its why I'm complaining about it rn

So I guess Im doing ending 3 instead

[sly harness]

Are you starting Exu alter?

[rocky agate]

Domryimrd

belh

Sometimes

I started with logos this time just cause

[stray dove]

low enough diff anyways for it not to matter to much, right?

[lofty quiver]

ah, face off nodes unlocked

[lost flicker]

What's the point of taking this? Is it for some ending?

[lofty quiver]

finally, back to overestimating my team and losing every single one

[stray dove]

no

it's optional

[rocky agate]

A very welcomed option

[stray dove]

TLK's high DEF gets shat on as Ed2 boss

cons

TLK's high DEf gets shat on AS YOUR ALLY

[paper notch]

it's to make ed2 knight easier to kill. both the one you transport and the one you fight

[lost flicker]

I've never seen a knight

[rocky agate]

Nvm I lose cause the game just slapped double tier barometric anomaly

And I didnt get a vanguard voucher until floor 5

[paper notch]

uhh in general not worth getting if your strategy is stalling ed2 anyway

[stray dove]

there's a reason you bring actual DP printers in IS4

[rocky agate]

This IS is built with nothing but hatred

[stray dove]

even if it's just Fang

[inland elbow]

Trap relic

[lofty quiver]

true

[rocky agate]

Didnt get a vanguard voucher till floor 5

[inland elbow]

Don't take it

[stray dove]

aaaand the shops?

[inland elbow]

The top option is pretty good

[rocky agate]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-stare-yuji-itadori-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-yuji-stare-meme-gif-2566228405341525362

[inland elbow]

1 key and 10 ingots is juicy

[stray dove]

you always play around Baro

hell, just having DP printers in IS4 is pretty good

[rocky agate]

I usually do

[stray dove]

even without baro

[rocky agate]

if I could

[stray dove]

man that run of yours was complete ass

[pure oyster]

I see why people say lamp is good in is5

[sinful sparrow]

gonna take a break and finish this off later

[stray dove]

you low opsing bosses?

[rocky agate]

I liked IS3 more than this bruh...

[stray dove]

just to try for it to proc someone worthwhile?

[stray dove]

you might not say that in D18

[sinful sparrow]

no bruh

[stray dove]

but i doubt you'd aim that high

[sinful sparrow]

i have like 9 e2s

[stray dove]

ah

[sinful sparrow]

i just pray it to hit one of them

[rocky agate]

I never bothered

[stray dove]

just pray it hits someone good

[sinful sparrow]

ballsack ed5

[rocky agate]

Its just I felt less like blowing my brains out playing it 😭

[sinful sparrow]

gonna be fun

[woeful anchor]

???

[stray dove]

and thus, low diff IS4 is still shittier than low diff IS3

[woeful anchor]

how do u have survivors

[stray dove]

like it's facts

[sinful sparrow]

dlc2 added it

as "boss-pool" relic

[woeful anchor]

bro

[sinful sparrow]

:mon3trsmug:

[woeful anchor]

they added slop

😭

[sinful sparrow]

they added a couple new very strong ones

[paper notch]

[woeful anchor]

is6 is doomed guys

they added slop

[paper notch]

is peak wdymmmm

[woeful anchor]

no way bro

survivors is giga slop

[sinful sparrow]

for every balance tongbaos in your coffer, +10% ATK/+10% HP

so i have like

9 bal rn

[stray dove]

ngl

[sinful sparrow]

:joyplush:

[stray dove]

isn't Survivor just shit versions of the best ATK-scaling relics in IS6?

[paper notch]

no?

[sinful sparrow]

run has
10 stack dish 4 stack bell, and like some 150% extra stats

pram was dealing 300k damage per attack on s3

[remote badger]

average ed5 run

[sinful sparrow]

(she hit the survivor)

[stray dove]

Survivor in the end is just scaling Bladestorm

[paper notch]

yeeee

[stray dove]

the RNG or inconsistency is ass

[paper notch]

is peak

[cold fjord]

This is u :

[astral sentinel]

Can this squad do is5 ed4 on d12/any tips? I only know how to leak him but not enough shields this time
I have king relics and some aspd
Can build Hoederer

[sinful sparrow]

nope

i am normal

and cute

😇

cant be ugly and mpreg

[sly harness]

Maybe Yato solo?

[sinful sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1427583161176559716.webp?size=128

[paper notch]

it's the difference between 1 shotting a boss and easily clearing a stage or having a 1500 defense wanqing

[sinful sparrow]

no yato on CN bro

i just draft the stuffs i have

[sly harness]

🥀

[stray dove]

consistency is more important for roguelite success

[sinful sparrow]

(exu hoshi reedic pram2 SA2 raidian trag)

[stray dove]

how can i learn if a clear is reliant on a 1/9 chance

[paper notch]

you only bring 1 operator tech

[sly harness]

1. It can be hard.
2. Depends on collectibles.

[sly harness]

Play 9 times more

[sinful sparrow]

theorically this kills with base lamp relic

[paper notch]

with aspd?

[sinful sparrow]

since d12 quilon is like half the stats

base lamp relic also includes chalice

:mon3trsmug:

[sly harness]

The question is whether the base Lamp is there

[paper notch]

that is in fact a good question

[sly harness]

(i wouldn't be surprised if not)

[astral sentinel]

Just some dps and hp
Rise and fall

[sinful sparrow]

toy no chalice

😢

[errant siren]

He know about the Lamp

[astral sentinel]

If I built derer right now, would he tank quilon?

[stray dove]

Cant wait to try Rumble Lamp Pralter S2 in global

[remote badger]

with huge aspd yes

[astral sentinel]

Is +86 huge

No wait

[sly harness]

Building Hoe will be a minimum if you want to have any chance

[astral sentinel]

It's actually 176

[sly harness]

But he probably won't be able to tank

Like he needs Chalice

[astral sentinel]

It's just d12

Over

[sly harness]

Yes but you usually don't tank Qiu'lon

Ethan him

[astral sentinel]

Right

Oh right I have ethan
E1 though

Winnable

[sly harness]

e1 is useless without Chalice

Even with can be a bit rng dependant

[astral sentinel]

But I have like +136 aspd

[sly harness]

You should have 350

[astral sentinel]

Alright

[sly harness]

Also the issue with tanking is that you will want to heal all his summon

Because they will explode once Qiu'lon attacks Hoe

And this will one shot your range units

[astral sentinel]

What is this

[sly harness]

And your medics are not capable of reaching all of them reliably

And Aegis increase their HP

[astral sentinel]

Alright

[sinful sparrow]

aegis increasing their HP is so diabolical

but like it shouldnt matter

you're expected to be able to heal them to full near instantly :mon3trsmug:

[faint rampart]

finally a reason to raise that guy

[sly harness]

he is very good in IS5 Lamp just built him if you play it

[remote badger]

like he is essential in every single is5 squads and comps

[faint rampart]

never got to play high diff IS so~

[sly harness]

I think that since we started moving to the t3 egg and, consequently, Ingot/Collection Squads became the sensible ones, his importance has decreased

[sinful sparrow]

@bait where is sniper/med lamp 245t3

[inland elbow]

Real ones built him for that is3 knight solve before he ever became relevant in is5

Works at e1 how broken!

[sinful sparrow]

i dont see hoe on any of ur is3 records

r u lying!

[remote badger]

do u have pentampreg

[inland elbow]

There is actually an is3 record that would have hoe if I got my ass to do it

[flint token]

If you are extra real you’d have e0 hoe

[sinful sparrow]

no

[tired wyvern]

@pastel saffron
Ayy I got my first clear.
You were rt, doing more emergency nodes was a good idea.
The boss was not bad thx to sakiko
I used exu to take the right lane and let lemuen do dps to boss, then after that redeployed exu and finished the boss.

But it was still kinda close on some stages.

Boss no one leaked

D0 done.
Are the upper levels easier or harder?

[stray dove]

I've never seen anyone leak Craz

cause if he's already kicking your ass

his mobs will be enough to kill you off in leaks

[inland elbow]

upper levels as in higher difficulties?

they're harder

[sly harness]

It is harder to fall asleep while playing them

[stray dove]

I've never heard of upper levels being easier

[inland elbow]

yeah I guess sakiko at d0 probably tanks shattered champions no problem

[stray dove]

maybe....

outside of D15 > D16 (IS3)

[tired wyvern]

Wait what??

Ppl said they r easier

[inland elbow]

lmao shattered champions have 700 attack at d0

sakiko has like 500 defence

bro

[stray dove]

who?

[tired wyvern]

Haruka

[stray dove]

I wanna see who that was

[tired wyvern]

Idk yesterday when ice was streaming someone saif

[inland elbow]

they lied to ur ass

[tired wyvern]

How do u live?

[brittle grove]

Technically some activate tree talents, so some upper lv kinda easier

[tired wyvern]

Fuck

[tired wyvern]

Oh yea, I finally unlocked a scout nodes yay!

[stray dove]

yeah for sure, skill tree that activates based on difficulty

like the shop is kinda ass

[inland elbow]

they activate tree talents, but enemy stats scale a ton

[stray dove]

in lower diffs

[tired wyvern]

I got a free e2 thingy

[inland elbow]

so like, no way the tradeoff is equivalent

like I doubt I'd ever lose at d0

genuinely might have a 100% winrate

[brittle grove]

Not that high ofc, beyond that harder like usual

[tired wyvern]

Max is 15 percent, the normal mobs

[sly harness]

There is no Blueprint to unlock in IS4

[inland elbow]

16% is per floor

it's multiplicative

[tired wyvern]

Yea, but now I have another source of getting e2

[tired wyvern]

The fuck?
In IS5 it was different?

[inland elbow]

it's always mult

this is a shattered champion at d15

[tired wyvern]

Then not problem

[stray dove]

D0 is more detrimental to having earlier Kings than D1 in IS5

[tired wyvern]

Me not going over d10.
Only need max points.

Plus the run takes a fucking hour is ur lucky

[inland elbow]

same guy at d0

so close to tripled stats

[tired wyvern]

Wow

Yea

[inland elbow]

is4 is one of the lower scaling ones too

is3 and 5 are way more aggressive about enemy stat scaling

[stray dove]

didn't know that part

[tired wyvern]

50hrs of gameplay = IS4 battle pass

[stray dove]

there's actually different scaling for IS4?

[inland elbow]

is3 is 25% attack, 30% hp per floor lmao

[tired wyvern]

So IS4 is easier compared to IS3?

[stray dove]

depends

what diff

[inland elbow]

at max difficulty yeah

at low difficulty I think is3 is easier

[tired wyvern]

💀
But only IS3 have thorns solo vids

[inland elbow]

is3 has a funny squad which allows for that

[tired wyvern]

D10 is considered border line difficult?

[tired wyvern]

Like?

[stray dove]

no

[sly harness]

Fanfact low difficulties can make some things harder

[tired wyvern]

So d10 is easy rt?

[stray dove]

D12 i consider as "default/normal" difficulty

[sly harness]

(IS5 Rogue Mercenary)

[inland elbow]

hm, d10-d12 is like "what the developers intend for any player to be able to do" I think

[tired wyvern]

Great, I'm not going above d10 as I don't have the roster for that shit

[sinful sparrow]

y'know whats funny

[tired wyvern]

Hmm

[sinful sparrow]

the hp inflation from is5 and 6 has been so bad

50k is so damn low now

wtf happened

[inland elbow]

d15 is purely optional content so it's a lot like higher risk CC

[sinful sparrow]

what is d18 then

[stray dove]

D0 is what i call "sandbox mode, anything works, have fun"

[tired wyvern]

Even if the civilians get stronger, it doesn't matter if the mobs get stronger too

[tired wyvern]

Huh?

[sly harness]

But the cannon

[inland elbow]

the cannon does flat 3k

[sly harness]

Cannon can oneshot them on d0-d1

[sinful sparrow]

50k HP is very low

[inland elbow]

so it's super goofy in that way yeah

[sinful sparrow]

cuz uh

[stray dove]

Seas in IS4....

[tired wyvern]

I'm starting d1 now soon!

Cuz i just finished my first ever run.

Technically my 2nd cuz I failed the first time at the boss

[tired wyvern]

Huh?

[sinful sparrow]

if noone saw it it isn't a loss

🤫

[tired wyvern]

Ye lmfao

[stray dove]

the transport boats in max diff IS4 gets destroyed fast

by caster boats

[tired wyvern]

I only did 1 one run

[stray dove]

you gotta commit hard

[inland elbow]

the elite enemy in is3 d18

[stray dove]

to even rescue the first victim

[tired wyvern]

Bruuh

Oh yea, I did not get any civilians fights

Only boats

For some reason

Maybe cuz I'm low diff?

[stray dove]

civilian fight in IS4

is optional

it's an encounter fight

[tired wyvern]

Ohh alr

[sinful sparrow]

ed4 boss in is6 d18 super large egg

can you believe ts

[tired wyvern]

Got it. So they way to win is4 is to fight as many fights as u can to get more hope?

[sinful sparrow]

19m HP

[stray dove]

that's ALL ISs

[tired wyvern]

Is that a dragon?

[inland elbow]

basically every IS yeah

[stray dove]

roguelites have always been about

[inland elbow]

except like is5

[tired wyvern]

Oh alr

[stray dove]

delay the final boss

[sinful sparrow]

thats the #1 rule of thumb in IS

[tired wyvern]

Alr

[sinful sparrow]

take combats to scale

[stray dove]

and get stronger

[tired wyvern]

Alr

[sinful sparrow]

actually wait

bruh

thats just how you play roguelike

[stray dove]

It's actually shared by most, if not ALL, roguelites
delay final boss
get stronger and stronger

[sinful sparrow]

it just follows the principle of "what doesn't kill you make you stronger" or some shit

[tired wyvern]

For some reason that shit is brain dead

[tired wyvern]

Good point

[inland elbow]

is5 experiene

[sinful sparrow]

lamp was a mistake

[tired wyvern]

If u use wis

[sinful sparrow]

we got Bait wishing for tongbao of wishes on IS6

and he got it

grrrrrrrr

[tired wyvern]

It got over waay to fast, 15 min 1.2k point runs

[inland elbow]

140 relic runs

[stray dove]

even if Lamp was a mistake.....I'm interested to see Rumble Lamp with Pralter S2...

[tired wyvern]

Oh dam

By rumble lamp u mean lamp of wishes and hand of rumble rt?

[stray dove]

both

[tired wyvern]

Add some kinda relics in too

[stray dove]

Pralter = Phalanx = Rumble is her hand

[tired wyvern]

And hope u get visage of crowned fates and all the max hp ones too

[stray dove]

Pralter S2 procs dots damage

[tired wyvern]

U enjoy life

[stray dove]

which scales Rumble buffs easy

[tired wyvern]

Hmm

[tired wyvern]

I meant kings

@stray dove
All the levels are going to be similar to my current runs rt?

Like exu alter solos rt?

[stray dove]

wym?

[tired wyvern]

Exu alter solos most of IS4 rt?

[stray dove]

solos is a big word

makes it way easier

[tired wyvern]

Yea

Alr thx

[lost flicker]

ok just booted into this level, I've never seen it before

how am I meant to approach this

[stray dove]

holy shit

Ubi...

one of the many reasons why

Sui Wrath-type relics

are shit

the strat is

kill whoever's drilling there at the top

so they don't create a shortcut

and then one by one wake up the Reapers

so they are handled way easier

than all of them running at you

[lost flicker]

this guy?

[stray dove]

yes

that guy's job

is to destroy every barricade up there

a shortcut

[lost flicker]

ok dropping a nuke on him

[stray dove]

try not to wake up the rest

let him drill higher

[inland elbow]

nah bro this is an insane comp lmao

[stray dove]

so its easier to isolate him

[lost flicker]

Would this randomly given to me flametail be good enough to deal with him?

[inland elbow]

no

[lost flicker]

very cool

[inland elbow]

it has a decent bit of defence and high res too iirc

[stray dove]

wait

isn't its RES a fucking lie?

at least the one ingame?

[inland elbow]

tomimi has it at 100 res

[stray dove]

really?

[sly harness]

You use Exu alter S3 to redeploy Ela here for more mines 🧑‍💻

[inland elbow]

damn none of ur ops have any dph

kinda crazy

[lost flicker]

oh true youre right

thank you exu <3

[inland elbow]

and you have almost no cc too

[stray dove]

all i know is this guy dies against arts easier than physical

[inland elbow]

his whole thing is that he has 0 op

[stray dove]

d18 stats

ouch

[inland elbow]

but insane res and good defence

[stray dove]

100 fucking RES

[lost flicker]

I'm on difficulty 2 guys it can't be that serious

[inland elbow]

what difficulty is this?

[sly harness]

Just use True

[lost flicker]

surely

[stray dove]

yeah it's fine Bait

they're doing low diff

i'm just teaching him how to solve the map

[sly harness]

Oh but Saki has RES/DEF ignore

[inland elbow]

7.7k hp

ok I think you could blow on this thing and it'd crumple

[sly harness]

Amiya medic S2

[stray dove]

they are the embodiment of Aegis/sanguine tumors

high af def and res

shitty HP

[lost flicker]

I must surely be misunderstanding the numbers cause that looks like hell

[inland elbow]

what skill is radian on?

[lost flicker]

3

[stray dove]

their weakness is usually true dmg or ele dmg.

[inland elbow]

7.7k hp is like genuinely nothing

[stray dove]

but you can brute force any damage type

onto them

[inland elbow]

like, that's like a single auto attack on skill if the enemy has 0 def and res

exu is like 4-5k per shot

[lost flicker]

no exu, this is what I get for starting in december

[inland elbow]

is your hoshi on s3 or 2?

[lost flicker]

3

[stray dove]

he's shooting himself in the foot if he defaults Hoshitter S2 in a blind run

[lost flicker]

real

[inland elbow]

just had to make sure

[stray dove]

indeed

[inland elbow]

afk brainrot is everywhere

do you have any damage relics?

[lost flicker]

wth is afk brainrot

[lost flicker]

haha good joke

[stray dove]

auto attacking laziness (less/zero clicks)

[errant siren]

Literally.

[inland elbow]

people who put every op on afk skills for IS

[errant siren]

The less pressing skills - the better.

[lost flicker]

??

so

they wanna play more arknights by playing less arknights?

ok

[stray dove]

AFK squad = ops use no clicks as much as possible

MOST AK players

[sly harness]

But S2 would have slow

[stray dove]

don't like TD

they play it because of everything else

[inland elbow]

anyways, I think the play is to use hoshi to kill top

[stray dove]

so AFK is their favorites

[inland elbow]

even on 80 res, hoshi should easily kill

let me pull out prts

[lost flicker]

that makes sense, but I only see one spot where I could place her without alerting some of the flowers

well ok I'd only wake up 2 flowers

[stray dove]

here's the best way FOR ME

on how to solve Ubi's pacing

[stray dove]

you do multiple blocker gaps

so that each one of them can bleed Reapers

[inland elbow]

wait for it to get to G6, then deploy hoshi there

[stray dove]

before they get stunned

think of it like gate valves

in a pipe

[inland elbow]

and then just activate hoshi

she'll trigger a flower but that shouldn't matter

[lost flicker]

woah this is cool

[inland elbow]

you have a lot of time before you need to put hoshi down

so focus on holding the bottom lane

[lost flicker]

gotcha

[inland elbow]

the main struggle is that you don't have any good source of crowd control

[lost flicker]

just realizing now that sakiko would totally get me killed lmao

[inland elbow]

so the flowers will just run straight through everything and die at the blue box I think

[lost flicker]

random notes alerting all the flowers

[stray dove]

thats why the last strat to do are multiple blocking gaps

[inland elbow]

your best bet in that regard is to use flametail s2 and krooster s2

[stray dove]

cause thats the only way to deal with Reapers without CC

[inland elbow]

and then block them too

shouldn't be too bad

[lost flicker]

cc is crowd control?

[inland elbow]

yeah

[lost flicker]

ok just making sure

Haven't had a chance to build any of them yet unfortunately

[stray dove]

thats the fun of building as many ops as you want

cause IS and RA tend to be where you can play with them the most

[lost flicker]

Yeah I've really enjoyed IS because of that

[inland elbow]

yeah, is3 really wants a super wide roster

with some really goofy operators

[lost flicker]

plus random recruitment units let me experiment with units I've never played

[inland elbow]

even compared to other IS

[stray dove]

Godblessed is great for newer players or players who have less ops

[lost flicker]

Normally I've borrowed a Wisadel (haha funny brain off boom girl), but I kept losing runs because none of my other operators could really do anything + if I didnt get S3 unlocked, ggs

So I was trying to see if my kroos could stunlock the final boss enough

But I got jumpscared by this random stage

Oh well

[inland elbow]

kroos usually can't stunlock but she can ground it

[lost flicker]

Ok, staggered placement lane holding on the bottom, wait for the stupid guy to get to that point yall pointed out and heledrop hoshi, then pray I can dps the flowers

[inland elbow]

you don't need to dps it

they die by themselves if you stall enough

[lost flicker]

I do not have faith lmao

will the flowers go through the red or the green path?

oh ok

[stray dove]

those are what we call

isolated ground tiles

[remote badger]

fences

[stray dove]

they are perfect for any ground ops

you don't want to get blocked

or have any enemies move onto them

[lost flicker]

So enemies can't walk through them?

[stray dove]

nope

[lost flicker]

Neat

[stray dove]

imagine them like

ranged tiles for ground ops

[lost flicker]

right

Damn I'm learning

[stray dove]

it's actually quite frequently added by HG

you may just not appreciate them

because their best application is....

not exactly common or useful?

I can only imagine maybe some Lords, Liberators, or Fortresses wanting to be there if they don't want any ground enemies harassing or blocking them

Ambushers have no issues and don't need them

[lost flicker]

Yeah I struggle to see anything other than a DPS that I don't want to take damage

But I mean I'm sure's uses

woah holy stroke

I'm sure there's uses

[stray dove]

they're these

i reckon you did event....

[lost flicker]

I did yeah

[stray dove]

so at least you know of their purpose

[lost flicker]

but I borrowed exu there so uhhhhh

all they did was be a spot I could use to block light

[stray dove]

i mean that was the main purpose

yes

[inland elbow]

at the very least, they're pretty useful since they tell you that the tile is safe for flagbearers

[lost flicker]

oh!

That makes sense

the flag bearers I haven't built...

[stray dove]

it won't rescue them from ranged harass heh

[inland elbow]

true

[stray dove]

Myrtle once again takes the flag of the best flagbearer just because she's fucking free in IS5 and IS6

[pastel saffron]

IS3 D7 is piss bro, its so fucking easy compared to IS4 D10

[inland elbow]

being the best flag in is5 isn't saying much since you'd never draft any of them tbh

[lost flicker]

Yeah I noticed that my 4* aren't free anymore after moving from IS6

[stray dove]

exactly. In normal content....I'd have put a front for Elysium

as the better flag

but in IS.....Myrtle...

[lost flicker]

I got Elysium in my first 10 pull in the game but I kept getting fed up with his 1 block and not being useful enough for DP gen wise since the game didn't really need it in the story I was at

But yeahhhhhhhh

I should probably build him and myrtle

I know they're goated

[inland elbow]

it depends a lot on the IS what vanguards are good

in gen content you rarely need a vanguard tbh

[stray dove]

you have no idea how mixed my feelings were when I was using Saileach, Texas, and Bagpipe in 2026 for 7-18 r25

[inland elbow]

it just makes it more braindead

[stray dove]

hilariously....I wanted it gone

but there's just SOME events

[inland elbow]

in is3, you often just don't bother with vanguards at all

[stray dove]

that forces you to want them

[inland elbow]

in is4, you often need to take ines + flag

in is5, it's 5* agent spam

[pastel saffron]

Good Stuff, I think someone said it will get easier in the sense that you acquire more map knowledge, not that the game itself becomes easier somehow

there are 2 different people basically when doing a map for the first time and doing it for like 3rd time, map knowledge with 2026 modern ops will make it easier

enemies do get tankier sure, but as long as you have exia, below d10 she will still melt through pmuch everything

[inland elbow]

she whoops ass at max diff

she'll do great at low diff

[pastel saffron]

yeah even at max diff shes so good

I watched some runs

great starter

[pastel saffron]

I also used them asidr from bag

[stray dove]

like....those 3 VGs down there

got revived from my roster

[pastel saffron]

wait

wasnt ines kinda bad

cox aspd debuff

iirc

I used sail and texas and abused 4 sui

[lost flicker]

oh right I did it, thanks yall

[stray dove]

your strat relied on Yu S2 looping nonstop?

I went with the easier AH combo turtling

[inland elbow]

did it go according to plan?

[lost flicker]

Yes it did, only lost two of the flowers when they all started moving on their own and panicked

[stray dove]

yeah that was the point

doing fuck all

means they ALL move

in the end

so you have to lower their numbers

as much as you can

[lost flicker]

fair

[stray dove]

or else get ran by every single one

[lost flicker]

I baited out 5 of them sucessfully

[inland elbow]

well, with the correct strategy you can in fact get them all at once lol

[lost flicker]

and then they moved

[inland elbow]

my goat

[stray dove]

are there newer strats for that? or did it still need Meyja S2?

oh

Weedy

of fucking course it's weedy

[rocky agate]

Yippe, I got an ending 4 clear

[stray dove]

Weedy Ange

IS3

[lost flicker]

oh well, here's my first time trying to do the final boss without wis carry

[stray dove]

is like.....valuable

[inland elbow]

no ange needed

but yeah

[lost flicker]

wish me luck

[inland elbow]

hit them, then click weedy s3

and it goes flying all the way back to red box

[stray dove]

but you're getting her anyways and might as well push them all the way back if you want

[inland elbow]

can use this too

[stray dove]

oh yeah

[lost flicker]

I do not have faith but that's ok

[stray dove]

even if stunned

[lost flicker]

WIFE

[stray dove]

her S3M3 aura

mod3

[inland elbow]

trag and ela also omega troll the stage too

[stray dove]

is still present

[inland elbow]

just hit the flowers and slow them

and they die by themselves

[stray dove]

Portal using Raidian in IS3

gotta make use

of what you have

[lost flicker]

I don't have any other supporters built 😭

[inland elbow]

you gotta do what you gotta do lmao

this is truly a diabolical comp

[pastel saffron]

yes

[inland elbow]

I think flametail right side on s2 to stun the mantas and kill the crabs is good

aside from that, glhf

[pastel saffron]

i got her as temp recruit once in d18 Is3, ngl she wasnt all that bad, better than days I used to use ling

eating my dp tho

[noble orbit]

This affect bind?

[pastel saffron]

it doesn't say bind

so I assume not

[noble orbit]

It says such as

[inland elbow]

not bind

[noble orbit]

[inland elbow]

only the listed effects + fear pretty much

[noble orbit]

Yostar should fire someone for this

[pastel saffron]

yostar translation things, just asssume it only does whats written I think, nor even lure counts in this

[noble orbit]

[pastel saffron]

oh wow fear counts

interesting

[noble orbit]

How good is light?

[rocky agate]

lower light --> more negative affects

[lost flicker]

ggs

[noble orbit]

I know but u can cure cancer now so im just wondering did light become worthless

[rocky agate]

Nah

Let it go lower and your gonna have to cure multiple cancer patients a floor

[noble orbit]

Mm

[inland elbow]

yeah you still don't want to be super low light

the difference between 0 and 1 light is crazy

[errant siren]

The less Light you have, the harder will be cube toss on next floor.

[pastel saffron]

which shipers are good in IS4 again? Ray/Lemon/Wis and (?)

Typhon/Nara decent?

[errant siren]

If 0 Light, getting Rejection Debuff is guaranteed.

[inland elbow]

wis is of course good

I wouldn't use typhon

nara is like ok

[stray dove]

how many victims in a floor die roll in 0 light if you roll 1?

3 ops?

[inland elbow]

lem is like ok

2

1 if you roll a 6, 2 otherwise

[pastel saffron]

Maybe cheeto is ok too

I try Nara

[inland elbow]

cheeto is really mid ngl

[pastel saffron]

figured

[inland elbow]

ray is ok

[pastel saffron]

m3 doesn't have high value either

[stray dove]

the most annoying part of light mechanics is it bleeds after 1 leak

and never ever stops

you can only recover light but never stave that bleeding

[inland elbow]

if ur 0 light then you never have to worry

[stray dove]

hah

[inland elbow]

problem solved 👍

[stray dove]

Ed3 guarantees 0 light near the end

Ed4 guarantees 0 light immediately

it's hilarious

and low or 0 light always had muffled floor theme

like you're drowning

[inland elbow]

I love the oppressive aura

playing with 0 light really forces you to interact with the mechanic which is pretty cool

you can't just play assuming it won't land on anyone important

because almost all your operators are gonna get ligma

[stray dove]

i know you hate that D16+ can solve rejections

but for me

it's still there

you have to transfer rejections every fight

in a way that to me is part of the gameplay

it's the very reason you prefer robots and Yato

over other 3*

[inland elbow]

yeah I don't think transferring rejections is skilless or anything

[stray dove]

just less skill

[inland elbow]

it just changes how the game is played

[stray dove]

or adjustments

[inland elbow]

removes the adapting to the rejections drafting focus is3 had

[stray dove]

still

[inland elbow]

in favor of turning into a positioning puzzle

[stray dove]

isn't it quite oppressive or just unfair

when all your DPS nukers get Meta

in D15

....Weedy solutions

[inland elbow]

it can be, but in the first place when I see meta I pretty much stop using ops who rely on stats to get stuff done

and metastatic mylnar is still doing work too

bro is just silverash

[stray dove]

And trag will keep tragging cause he ain't a DPS-reliant ops

[inland elbow]

yeah if you use 2025 ops it would be even easier

[stray dove]

always

and imo

thats part of the fun

and why people want old CC permas to return

so we can bully them with new ops

[inland elbow]

like I've gotten meta on degenbrecher before

and as it turns out, you can still easily buff the shit out of her and make her kill stuff

had my metastatic degen do like 25% to knight per skill

pretty nice

[stray dove]

with meta, do you go for flat ATK buffs like Skalter?

[inland elbow]

yeah

[stray dove]

or do you go Warf?

[inland elbow]

warf skalter

[stray dove]

both heh

[inland elbow]

and shamare too

[stray dove]

thats quite the commitment to going through with a meta run

pre-D16

[inland elbow]

it's pretty fun

and like, all those ops are just good

[stray dove]

like....

[inland elbow]

it's not like I'm drafting bad ops

[stray dove]

don't even tell me how you do Izumik in Meta back then

cause i don't know how much you take care of those jellyfishes

with lower ATK

[inland elbow]

oh izumik with meta was pretty easy

[stray dove]

shift?

[inland elbow]

you just infinite stalled

yeah

izumik is a double push

[stray dove]

hah a whole setup to permashift jellyfishes

[inland elbow]

and then you'd spam weedy + mostima + harmonie + mint

[stray dove]

btw how do you deal with Isharmla back then?

that gal is fucking tanky

it took forever for me to kill her with Kal, Trag, Ela

[inland elbow]

she's honestly kinda not tanky at d15

[stray dove]

permastalled with some nuking sessions

[inland elbow]

like you'd consistently kill her with skalter + shamare + krooster + mylnar

[stray dove]

I solved her back in D15 too. But that was an absurd highroll on my part

my D15 Isharmla was Shawl'd Poze

with Surtr stall

[inland elbow]

pozy is good too

ntr was good too

[stray dove]

didn't have NTRK back then

[inland elbow]

like you'd just set up and she'd walk into your saw trap

[stray dove]

had to spark her way later

[inland elbow]

and then you blast her

[stray dove]

so really Isharmla just became absurd in D18 scaling?

[inland elbow]

yeah

[stray dove]

but by then Trag was on the horizon...

[inland elbow]

the difference between d15 and d18 stat scaling is insane

goes from like 15% to 30%

[gaunt bay]

d18 is bad gaming

[inland elbow]

per floor it compounds super fast

[stray dove]

i still can't imagine how the fuck you guys tolerated Nymph TLK permastall

P2 means every attack has to be S2

[nocturne cape]

Hes bait

[stray dove]

or else she freezes and the stall dies

[inland elbow]

kiwi you might be pleased to know that cn players for is3 still take mylnar in like 1/4 runs

[gaunt bay]

[inland elbow]

and it's for a legitimate none trolling reason

because they specifically go for the hardest way to beat izumik

[stray dove]

i still take Mly in IS3

[inland elbow]

which needs a ton of strong aoe

[stray dove]

just because blocking ain't in the vocabulary

unless it's Ubi

[gaunt bay]

how broken is Unbrilliant Glory

how consistent is tank strat on d18

[nocturne cape]

Is3 takes mlyn over leizi
Is4 takes mlyn over leizi
Is5 takes mlyn over leizi (outside of gvg)
Is6 takes mlyn over leizi (in the future)

Are we seeing the pattern

[faint rampart]

[woeful knot]

i will change the status quo and pioneer leizi

[noble orbit]

Is mon3tr good in is3?

[woeful knot]

no

[gaunt bay]

bro is like

4 years old

[noble orbit]

Unc

[stray dove]

with good recommendations

[noble orbit]

who is the premier unit for medic ticket in is3 now?

[stray dove]

i will never ever regret skipping some ops

[woeful knot]

kal still

[stray dove]

i skipped Ente, Mon3tr and Lazer

[noble orbit]

ah

[stray dove]

still not regretting them

[noble orbit]

Montr is really clunky

[nocturne cape]

Bro skipped entel

Kill

[faint rampart]

[noble orbit]

I got her but her kit was so clunky, she really needs to cancel her skill at will

[noble orbit]

Like she would benefit so much from being able to cancel skill 3

[nocturne cape]

Fuck

[stray dove]

[nocturne cape]

Shot myself in the foot

Worst ending

Well at least that part stays true

So i didnt lie

[stray dove]

you didn't

i'm doing just fine without them

[nocturne cape]

Honest cube arc

[woeful knot]

its more like kal just do be doing everything and m3 isnt doing enough

also m3 is copeable enough in is3

[stray dove]

Kal helps block laning and stuns

Mon3tr is better in high relic count

[woeful knot]

shes part of a comp i usually play but she really isnt anything compared to kal

but if u look at is5, m3 is a lot stronger

[stray dove]

lamp might as well count as a high relic count (just cause you get most relics that really matter)

but not TRUE high relic count

just a taste of it

[nocturne cape]

I feel like youd miss mon3tr from time to time

[stray dove]

how can i miss something that i can't use?

unless she helps A LOT

in your POVs

[nocturne cape]

I skipped mon3tr on CN, got her in the most recent selector

[stray dove]

cash selector?

[nocturne cape]

Ye

She does come up

[noble orbit]

s3?

[nocturne cape]

Well

2 and 3

[noble orbit]

Her s2 isnt that great in is a lot of the time

And I really hate how her s3 shes stuck in the form if no enemies in range she cant heal

[woeful knot]

s2 comes up pretty often

[carmine token]

???

[noble orbit]

fr?

[woeful knot]

its a pretty sizeable buff u have to remember + a really high hps

[inland elbow]

it's good but it's not 10 hope good

[woeful knot]

nop chetto reaches dmg threshold with it !!

shed long be cooked without it

[stray dove]

I mean

it's very welcome

[noble orbit]

Is the last knight cooked here

[stray dove]

on any fight

you don't need Mon3tr S3 on

[noble orbit]

Is kal enough to tank the slugs

[stray dove]

just like any Ed2 run. Just try to save your boi as much as you can

meaning, make everyone else tank for him

[woeful knot]

he’s fine

[carmine token]

how is m3 s2 buff??

[woeful knot]

you can get kal to tank

[stray dove]

pretty good ASPD

[carmine token]

in atk

[stray dove]

but just like what was already said

you're not bringing her for that

[noble orbit]

any placement tips?

[stray dove]

it's just a bonus

[woeful knot]

well u just need to block the blue box with monster

[noble orbit]

I hate this stage

[sinful sparrow]

245 t2 egg

[stray dove]

i don't think anyone likes any version of that map

it's not even a freebie

[woeful knot]

wis can be put at the top tiles to kill the piling crabs

[noble orbit]

I think the map is fine but protecting the knight makes me crash out

[stray dove]

it's gonna destroy you in the lowest rolls

[stray dove]

thats the most difficult part of Ed2

[woeful knot]

get exu to kill the broodmothers and all is well

[sinful sparrow]

@nocturne cape are you proud of me

[inland elbow]

nahn you giga cook the stage with this comp

[sinful sparrow]

:RosHype:

[inland elbow]

make sure kal is on IS mod

[noble orbit]

Where do i put her , on the left?

[nocturne cape]

Well done

[cold fjord]

I'm proud

[woeful knot]

yeah since wis is enough really

[sinful sparrow]

:MintHype:

[nocturne cape]

Now do your 245t3

[sinful sparrow]

i will

[nocturne cape]

And we’re on the same level

[sinful sparrow]

maybe not today

[nocturne cape]

Im still struggling on 235t3

[stray dove]

looks like an FF gunblade from afar lolz

[nocturne cape]

So im taking a break

[sinful sparrow]

235 is known to be slop

imma go back to is4 a bit

[noble orbit]

How do you have this?

[inland elbow]

open exu

[nocturne cape]

Thats what im doing

[noble orbit]

did u make it

[inland elbow]

it's a website

https://map.ark-nights.com/map/ro2_n_4_6

[noble orbit]

Thanks bait

[nocturne cape]

And i harass bait and alyssal over it

[stray dove]

idrop someone at C7 usually

so that no one really touches TLK

usually spot