is-station

[rotund copper]

Mind over matter squad

?

[faint rampart]

idk man i started few months ago🥹

wha

[rotund copper]

???

[faint rampart]

wha am i not allowed to say it here

[rotund copper]

??????

[night yoke]

The one that give you uhhh

survivor contract

[rotund copper]

yeah it's mind over matter

so I just wisadel it?

[night yoke]

Also I dm’ed you, you should check it out

[rotund copper]

[night yoke]

Yeah, pretty much

[faint rampart]

thanks 😭

[sly harness]

Highrolls are hard . -4 even with this (Ente was over killing the boss)

[faint rampart]

"ente was overkilling the boss"

how i wish that was me

[pastel saffron]

yeah even the kr guy uploaded like 200 vids of IS5 on yt

start with people oriented squad, start wirh exu alter or wisadel

keep recruiting 6* (you don't need them coz wis will boom boom boom) and win

very easy

[cyan pasture]

Is senshi good as a buffer?

with s1

[remote badger]

usually he doesn't get drafted

for any reason

[cyan pasture]

i guess thats fair

[quick pond]

GODDAMN FINALLY😭

[stray dove]

yeah that one's very difficult to get

requires 2 specific nodes

and the latter one tends to be "used up" very early in the run

so you avoid hitting Legend nodes at all

[quick pond]

It took me about 50 runs to get😭

Please tell me the expansion won't have another super rare collectables

I still have Pried Open Toolbox, Letter of Termination Contract, 3 Sui Stamps and Cohesive Might

What's the best way to grund them?

[pastel saffron]

pried open toolbox 😭😭

isnt that common ash

[pastel saffron]

whats the way to get ts

[quick pond]

Get Wooden Lump relic from the Liu'er Encounter then get the Amber Legend

[quick pond]

I weep

WAIT WTF ITS COMMON!?!?!?

BOTH OF THEM!?!?

HOW TF DID I NOT GET THEM

I'VE GOTTEN EVERY T4 ENDING MEDALS!?

I'VE FUCKING GOTTEN DUSK'S ENCOUNTER BEFORE THESE😭😭😭

I FUCKING HATE IT HERE

[slate hull]

sorry, you need the termination contract to leave

[stray dove]

Alterform hunting in IS6 is actually pretty difficult if luck has any way

My last relic hunts were 3 alterforms

i find it as a "decent" blowback because that means more worthwhile relics are present in drops and shops....i think

[earnest shuttle]

yeah

[stray dove]

sorry, wrong channel

[earnest shuttle]

No worries

[faint rampart]

:susge:

[agile hill]

guys does chen deal max hp poportional damage?

[woeful anchor]

cant u just ling loop

to get all relics

surely ling loop isnt that uncommon

[stray dove]

i think that might take longer

just doing Leader -> EoT the only 1st fight -> get to F1 shop, check for alterform in both first batch and refresh -> repeat

might be faster

it would also be akin to hunting for rare Hours of Sui if you're going for full IS encyclopedia completion

[quick pond]

I have never gotten enough Risks nor Ingots to do that

[woeful anchor]

unfort

[sinful sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1173925642102902864.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=ReallyNah

[remote badger]

mpr-

[pastel saffron]

this one is dependant on stats

what are the odds after many and many re rolls

he gets nth

One Ling encounter is all he needs for everything

thats actually a very good idea

Time to do it myself

[unkempt flower]

She needs only 10 seconds just for her skill be ready?!

Don't worry. My fishes have +140 attack speed cause of 4 cursed items (I'm going for ending 3)

[cyan pasture]

are Haruka's bubbles aspd based?

[static dragon]

atk interval based,

[cyan pasture]

so she needs interval reduction effects?

[static dragon]

• When performing a normal attack, if there is a valid target within range, a bubble-granting action will be triggered simultaneously after this attack/heal; if there is no valid target, but there is a unit within range that can be granted a bubble, this normal attack will instead grant a bubble; if there is no valid target and no target to grant a bubble, it will enter a standby state.
• When granting a bubble, only friendly units without bubbles will be selected, prioritizing those with the lowest health percentage

[errant siren]

ASPD buff is basically interval reduction.

[static dragon]

aspd should works

[cyan pasture]

So atk speed downs hinder her too?

[errant siren]

Yes

[cyan pasture]

I see I see, good to know

[static dragon]

someone did a hyper aspd buff on her and has that thing that make operator loses HP every seconds so she keeps healing to pump the s2 dmg on heals

[cyan pasture]

Hehe nice

would rose salt work well woth Haruka?

s2 turning incoming damage into dot and her healing boost buff

[static dragon]

i mean, some IS has floor debuff and rejection that just does that

like IS2 'survivor'

[slate hull]

I was losing my mind trying to find the butterfly, it was one of the 2 legend nodes locked in a corner only accessible through the dp troll stage which I didn't risk doing because of the dp increase hour, but I got a dp collectible on f5, so I got the chance to go look at the butterfly before giving up on ed2

[earnest shuttle]

average ed2 experience

[unkempt flower]

Say goodbye to your kin, Ishar-mla. This victory is mine

[faint rampart]

congrats

[unkempt flower]

After Highmore I've got one more attack speed item. 5 ingots = 5 attack speed. So you can tell that squad was on high spirits

[pastel saffron]

Thorns sweep

whats that haruka placement

who was she healing

oh ulpi tile is there

[inland elbow]

Bro is playing is5 in is3

[faint rampart]

should be doable :YA: would make mizuki the best starter for me

[pastel saffron]

what map is this

I have never seen it

is this f1

[errant siren]

Gopnik Encounter.

About F1-F3, yeah.

[pastel saffron]

oh wow

I think I do have the encounter

maybe I just forgot

[sly harness]

Apparently f1 and f2

[pastel saffron]

I think giys with big hammer come to break rocks?

iirc

[sly harness]

But I have only seen it on f1

[earnest shuttle]

I would say beyond cooked but lets just see how it goes

[errant siren]

Gopnik and slugs from left, Demolishioners from right

[pastel saffron]

yeah I have done ts

[errant siren]

Aka Hammer AOE dudes.

[faint rampart]

thats why hes the goat

[pastel saffron]

prolly fine with e2 mizuki, just dont place him in a way where hammer guys can splash him and he fucking dies

[earnest shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1424059156968505454.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[faint rampart]

:ggnod:

[pastel saffron]

clean sweep

where is the guy who said ur cooked

with e2 mizuki

[earnest shuttle]

im still here

[pastel saffron]

Bro proved u wrong

[unkempt flower]

Yeah i should have removed her a bit later. There's both was frozen at deploy and i had a -15 SP on deploy cursed item.

[sly harness]

It was EM, right?

[pastel saffron]

the real ak player

[earnest shuttle]

Yea I saw that

[faint rampart]

yeah

[pastel saffron]

Ig u didn't get rid of it in lost and found coz aspd relic

[faint rampart]

(assuming 4 ops option gives em)

[sly harness]

Yes

[earnest shuttle]

yea thats the one

[faint rampart]

yay

[pastel saffron]

if u get option between wish fulfilled and encounter on f1

wish fullfilled should be more worth right

coz sometimes there arent 2 combats

[earnest shuttle]

pretty much

[unkempt flower]

I removed the other one when i had a choice. That was each collectables was giving attack speed and something else for ONE caster that even didn't was in a battle for the most of the run

[pastel saffron]

[sly harness]

Encounter can be a combat

[unkempt flower]

True

[earnest shuttle]

yea but wish fulfilled is guaranteed 1 random relic

[pastel saffron]

so depending on how luck is

but if I am feeling lucky

I can go wish too

for all I know we get chalice f1

[unkempt flower]

Probably my next target gonna be Ending 2 and 4 with my niche, but with ending 2 i need to be lucky with shop

[pastel saffron]

if ur on low diff I reckon u can very easily cheese it with ulpianus + spalter

[unkempt flower]

Phase 2 low hovering

• i don't have spalter

[pastel saffron]

Hmm thorns can't do it for phase 2

[unkempt flower]

That's why i need to be lucky with shop

Stunning mine

It cancel low hover

[pastel saffron]

oh u need stun bomb

and ulpi s3 can re stun him

[unkempt flower]

Yep

[pastel saffron]

Thorns alter can hit air right

[unkempt flower]

Only normal attack

S2 ain't working on low hovering bastards

[pastel saffron]

weedy is also a fish

idk if she can push him when hes down

to help a bit

he has weight 4(?)

lemme check

[unkempt flower]

I don't remember he's weight

[pastel saffron]

he is weight 5

if u get weight relic weedy can help a bit ig

but u dont have any reliable dmg source for phase 2

[unkempt flower]

I'll plan something for this

[pastel saffron]

if u get lucky with stun bomb eben then its not guaranteed, tho if u can get initial sp relics for ulpi too

u can basically

spam ulpi s3

after he is down

idk if he gets frozen or not

[open finch]

Knight p2 is just unblockable, not hovering

[pastel saffron]

I see

[pastel saffron]

glaucus is a fish too I think(?) her s2 can stun and bind

[slate hull]

Well, that is a roll and a half. I don't actually own Trag, so I have no idea how to use him

[pastel saffron]

is this excuse to bring pudding

[pastel saffron]

just get him and watcj some video

lemme share one with u

[slate hull]

I guess I deploy cat and then things die

[unkempt flower]

Only drones are stun. The rest bind

[pastel saffron]

https://youtu.be/fc3HH4B5BvY

just watch s2 part

there are like only 2 stages where I think of s3 for IS6

its hard u come across those tho

skip s1 and s3

[pastel saffron]

beo is not bind immune tho

u can dmg him

[earnest shuttle]

I just played is3 again after so long and I forgot how much I hate the withdraw system of the shop

It cost 1 key for 8 ingots ???

[unkempt flower]

Yep

[inland elbow]

Peak

Making withdrawals free was a mistake

Did irreparable damage to the brains of highrollers

[slate hull]

interesting, didn't know it even worked on flying enemies

[pastel saffron]

atleast u paid 8 ingots for 8 ingots

try getting out 8 ingots in IS5

[pastel saffron]

oh btw I saw ur IS3 run

the 2 hour long one

why u start with

the temp recruit and yato

instead of kroos and fang

so kroos and fang dont get

rejection?

[inland elbow]

Specialist/caster squad they cost hope

But even if they didn't

Yato is better than fang there

[pastel saffron]

Oh wow I am blind

[pastel saffron]

frd is the reason?

[inland elbow]

Yato is a cheap way to cure rejections and a broken op in general

Kroos is a straight upgrade over temp ofc

But just not worth it

[pastel saffron]

well yeah u dont want fang for her dp anyway

irs just when I get sniper squad em

fang is more reliable

wait

[open finch]

fang does nothing

she gets completely statchecked

[inland elbow]

Ye if ur stuck with e1 exu maybe fang has usagr

But idk

[open finch]

you absolutely cannot open any stages with her

nor does she produce meaningful dp for opening

[pastel saffron]

yeah I been playing pos so I pick fang

with exia barrier she can block

[open finch]

wats the diff then

[pastel saffron]

Yeah I jus realizrd

nothing much

[open finch]

the ground presence comes from exu

[earnest shuttle]

fang is immobile after deploy, like completely useless both in dp regen and blocking

[open finch]

not from the actual ground op

[pastel saffron]

And u cant frd fang either

[open finch]

hes beginning to believe

[pastel saffron]

[open finch]

[inland elbow]

Vanguard vouchers are kinda weird

Because in terms of actual power they're piss

But their value is high anyways

Because confess is busted

And yato is great

And you still want a flag for gravestone

[earnest shuttle]

oh wise one, whats the consistent strat when doing d16 and above in is3 ?
Im struggling to reach higher floor when most of my ops just get bombard by rejections

[open finch]

im not so sure actually, i played wis ban so it was inherently unstable

and i didnt really touch the mode after exu came out

[pastel saffron]

Isnt ines sufficient?

[pastel saffron]

unless u have her dying before she can press s2

[inland elbow]

You'd rather just take surfer at that point

[pastel saffron]

wow I always take ines

the invis reveal and bind is useful

[inland elbow]

With people there's more justification to take ines

[open finch]

ines kinda stinky for gravestone actually

she cant get second skill off in time

[inland elbow]

But just remember every time you take ines, that's 6 hope that could be used on any other voucher

[open finch]

so you might as well take elysium technology

my goat

[inland elbow]

Never pass up on free vouchers, reroll f1 shop and buy all vouchers

[pastel saffron]

I just realised I should get the pots

I just keep doing 3.5 hours recruitment right

[inland elbow]

Fill ur squad with low dp ops aside from your main carries

Robots in particular are excellent

[earnest shuttle]

there is one stage in is3 where the right side is full of laser crab and the left side have big hammer dude at the end
If exu get hit by rejection she is pretty much dead

[inland elbow]

Ye, confess is vanguard

Note that confess does not have dp recovery tag

Took me like 500 recruitments

[open finch]

actually, one tip i had regarding is3 was to play class squad and really chase emergencies in floors 3/4

class squad gives you the early tempo to kinda statcheck em

[pastel saffron]

most vouchers are bad anyway

guard doesn't have anything, caster is bad too, maybe nymph but trag sweep. Altho freeing supp voucher for better picks as you suggested before is great idea

defender is bad too

[open finch]

people oriented doesnt get to do that as well

[earnest shuttle]

I always go in emergency node anytime I see it tbh

[inland elbow]

If you're playing d16 then rejections shouldn't matter

[open finch]

f5 emergencies shit on everyone equally

[inland elbow]

Insofar as they drain your dp I guess

[earnest shuttle]

Yep but for now I just dies before I even have the chance to turn those debuff to buff

[open finch]

winner mindset

[earnest shuttle]

I'll try recruit more

[open finch]

caster is pretty bad yea

no robot sadge

[inland elbow]

Durin is ur best option

[open finch]

😔

[pastel saffron]

if ur doing non exu peep oriented start ur kinda cooked yeah

exia can carry tho, even f3 if ur still stuck on e1, she can even deal with that EM whwre enemies lands into holes and some dont

that stage with originium tile and kaltsit event enemies is kinda annoying tho without smth for bottom

This is what I dislike about pos too

ur basically stuck with exia start

[inland elbow]

The main thing about nest is that you have to proactively bait the crabs

[open finch]

i mean all squads have to be evaluated on their average case resistance against dying or significantly leaking in looking forward looking back

and people oriented does exceptionally shit into that

if you're leaking 7 unironically then you not only take the -5 but also take -5 every stage until you can heal back up

[inland elbow]

So draft more robots and yato

[open finch]

then it's cooked

[inland elbow]

Bait the crabs so that they don't get stuck once they're attacking your real ops

[pastel saffron]

I tried hoshi actually from defender and ngl I couldn't find much use out of her

I actually exploded in manta stage with enemies who call drone on u while having exia and e1 wis btw, if I would have used the hoshi op on someone like trag/lemon wouldn't explode

And I rarely explode on non ooc pre f6 so that was disappointing

[inland elbow]

Aside from that, exu doesn't solo the stage but she does like 80% of it

[open finch]

you need to try out rosmo start i swear it's a drug

infinite ground presence

nest who

[earnest shuttle]

wait so just bait them once and the next time they shoot they will move on ?

[inland elbow]

Unironically I've gotten good use out of jess alt and shu lmao

[open finch]

they only get the stop + def thing once

[inland elbow]

Lemme see if I have a recording

[open finch]

that one is actually kinda tough without air stun

it's kinda why you need to start thinking about air stun as you approach f4

[pastel saffron]

Lemon + Exia can actually destroy the damn stage now

or Exia + Trag

I don't need stun units when I ahve trag

bro is so good

[open finch]

you kinda do

cuz they got a lot of hp

[earnest shuttle]

Trag needs time to charge so I wouldnt rely too much on him

hes isnt the main dps either

[pastel saffron]

lemon sweep

I am ending runs without stun units with ease

I only explode when its end3

[open finch]

Ending 4 without stun is kinda tough too

Mantas got so much stats

[inland elbow]

Hm, I have a recording but it's kinda cringe

[earnest shuttle]

No problem every run I play i bring highmore

[pastel saffron]

Hmm yeah for that I would def bring texas

the mantas that spawn suck

for end1 mantas tho I even tried ela once

[inland elbow]

https://youtu.be/6L5dq1rtTBA

here, it's kinda a cringe recording but in general you play it like this

react to crab spawn for where to place exu either top or bottom

I usually prefer placing like this now

[pastel saffron]

yeah nvm it was high roll

so she could kill

just checked

and ai realized from my recordings

my stun solution is just

having wisadel

I forgot she stuns

so mantas are a non issue

I have started banning her more tho

But I do think with mantas

they are dealable in most stages

Aside from ed4

and that one f5 stage with multiple lanes

[inland elbow]

@earnest shuttle

[pastel saffron]

good clear not cringe, I hate this stage

[earnest shuttle]

yeh im watching it
also very useful tip, i didnt know I could stop them from standing in one place just by baiting
thanks

I just thought that they would do the same even if they got baited

[inland elbow]

What makes them annoying is that they stay out of your ops range and then pile up

So baiting them prevents that

Usually exu + 1 e2 6 star does this stage

Or exu + 2 e1 6*

[pastel saffron]

@inland elbow do u just take myrtle in class squads

[inland elbow]

Depends on the rejection

[pastel saffron]

or u can justify 5* or 6* flag ever

[inland elbow]

Agents provide better baseline dp but suck with neuro

Myrtle is good but kinda stinks until e2

I take ely if I get the hope reduction book

Or I know I don't need the hope

He's pretty good

[pastel saffron]

Well you said it

I have an M6 ely just lying around

@inland elbow for spec caster start if exia is not e2, and I see ela insta e2 or even weedy, do I start with them

actually weedy might suck

[sly harness]

you don't have every flag M6?

[inland elbow]

Nah I just reset

Exu e2 is way too good

[pastel saffron]

Sail and Ely are, Myrtle uhh

my myrtle isnt even 100 trust, I dont use her

[inland elbow]

Exu e2 start lets me hyper greed encounters

So that I get knight+izumik like 80% of the time

[sly harness]

Wanqing?

[inland elbow]

I do like 5 encounters on average from f1-3

[pastel saffron]

The aspd guy, why would I M6 him

If I ever use him irs for the S2

[sly harness]

He is Yan

[pastel saffron]

wow wven with greed 80%

[sly harness]

So ig for ed4 + 5 runs in IS6

[pastel saffron]

I havent even built rose and waifu man 😭😭

what is the roi for IS

I feel like I get less mats back than I spend

on IS

😭😭😭

Ok I will M6 wanqing

has to be done

[cyan pasture]

stainless works well with archetto cause of his s3 and her is module right?

[pastel saffron]

u won't draft stainless in IS

just know that

[sly harness]

Nah I was joking. He is certainly far from being a priority

[inland elbow]

ye wcyd

[sly harness]

Stainless was usable in IS3 d15 era

[inland elbow]

my goat

[pastel saffron]

The lion doesn't concern himself with encounters

he only takes them when he's forced to

[sly harness]

You are forced until you have 2 + 4

[pastel saffron]

Yeah I did know that, but les see what ed4 really demand of me

[pastel saffron]

I am only forced when its on my path and I have no other option

(I only get ed3 encounter about half my runs)

[cyan pasture]

can Lemuen deal with the teleporting boss in IS4?

[pastel saffron]

I think if u aren't holing ed1 boss it's pretty significantly hard esp when u can't burst it down

ed2 after trag was so piss, hardest part was casters and I found kaltsit or even ulpi with some relic can deal with bottom caster atleast

[pastel saffron]

who is the tp boss?

sentinel?

[cyan pasture]

i guess? i just know therr was a boss in is 4 that moves around alot

[sly harness]

Hardest part of ed2 is protecting the Knight en route

[pastel saffron]

me avoiding the def encounter so the shit doesnt die on me

[sly harness]

Also ed1 without pushing is 3 ops

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yHFWzxE2E

[pastel saffron]

yeah lemon can burst it I tried it

Wow Wisadel and Trag

so camo + attack disable

[sly harness]

So it is also trivialized by Trag

[cyan pasture]

Tragqualized

[sly harness]

You can just take resources from it

[cyan pasture]

I see, S2 can work 2 right?

[pastel saffron]

S2 would be exceptionally bad here

more than other bosses

[faint rampart]

mf starts flying once again without eating anyone ugh i hate this game

[halcyon flame]

6 op sentinel uses exu and lemuen to burst yes

you mark sentinel with exu when u first reveal him

[cyan pasture]

i see

[halcyon flame]

no D18 IS4 reveal during the cny stream got me feeling like those half life fans at the game awards icl

[sly harness]

Mizuki has block?

[halcyon flame]

might be from one the dp relics

[pastel saffron]

cant he eat the rock

[halcyon flame]

ambushers arent hard coded to 0 block

like libs

[faint rampart]

wha

is that possible

[sly harness]

Should be

[halcyon flame]

no

[pastel saffron]

Idk if mizuki shifted him into the rock maybe he can eat

[halcyon flame]

he never paths towards a rock

[sly harness]

But Mizuki can pull him into it

[errant siren]

Zamn...

[pastel saffron]

the dragon can eat ulpi event mechanic tile atleast

[halcyon flame]

im not sure then ive never tried

but arent they heavy as shit

[sly harness]

He doesn't really need to eat he needs to be blocked

Like eg Degen on S3 will trigger the dragons

But they won't eat her

[pastel saffron]

if mizuki had blocked him he would have eaten mizuki

so what did he eat

[inland elbow]

no

[sly harness]

Not always

[inland elbow]

fake af

[sly harness]

He can interrupt the animation

[inland elbow]

they're just base 0 block

[faint rampart]

so like if i pull him from the other side of the wall with mizuki then that counts as "blocked by wall"?

[sly harness]

The same with gummy

[pastel saffron]

prolly(?)

[sly harness]

If she stuns the dragon while blocking him he will fly but Gummy won't be eaten

The flying and eating are separated and there is a very short window between them so you can interrupt the second

[faint rampart]

man this sucks....so i just have to kill it somehow without blocking

[sly harness]

You can also retreat the units while they are blocking the dragons, the dragon will fly but the unit will have a normal redeployment cooldawn

[sly harness]

The S2 stun without ASPD has some downtimes so while the dragon is in the Rubble and the downtime happens he will try to eat the Rubble and since the fly ability is almost instant he will fly

[faint rampart]

well that was possible with rubble, considering it can be destroyed (?)

i can cope this wont happen with normal walls

wait how do you deal with this thing

[sly harness]

It won't because they won't "block" him

[faint rampart]

i mean you, gvg player with no miz

[sly harness]

This stage?

[faint rampart]

i see, thankies

[sly harness]

Yyy there is 2 attempts relicless with Amiya

[faint rampart]

yeah

[sly harness]

It is quite funny because you use the dragon to redeploy Ente from one position to another

[faint rampart]

oh yeah😭

lemme check your thread rq

[sly harness]

I think this clear has been delayed (and this playlist needs restructuring again)

[tired wyvern]

Yo, I'm ok with playing long runs, but how to maximise the amount of battle pass points you get in IS5? Wis only

Although I'm still using wis

Anyone?

[sly harness]

but realistically with gvg I usually take this fight on f4 when I already have damage to kill everyone easily (I like to have Angelina here to stall stuff)

[faint rampart]

oof couldn't find it, ended up watching the other ver

[faint rampart]

thanks i dont think i can get max pot but i should be able to make up for it with relics (i pray)

didn't think leizi could kill him so easily, really appreciate it

[sly harness]

Without DEF he is not that problematic

This should work without pots but the timing on this is very precise

[faint rampart]

yeah, was stuck this time ||and i thought mizuki would be enough||

[sly harness]

Personally I wouldn't recommend following this. Just get your damage and nuke this stage on f4

tbf Mizuki Angelina sounds like a great matchup

Btw

There is a trick with Mizuki

You can pull the bear through the wall before he breaks the rubbles and make him go straight into the blue box

[faint rampart]

so he doesn't destroy everything and make the paths messy?

[sly harness]

Then Angelina + Mizuki may perfectly cc and kill everyone else

[sly harness]

I don't know how consistent it is but it worked for me once

[faint rampart]

will keep that in mind and try it

[sly harness]

i did somthing like this

he pulled the bear before he destroyed the rubble

[slate hull]

huh, I guess the bear gets inside the range when he is blocked

[sly harness]

and after his S2 ended the bear walked stright into the blue box

[faint rampart]

mizuki wouldn't pull the dragon thru rubble...so thats safe(??methinks)

[faint rampart]

is this the checkpoint enemy thingy

[sly harness]

I'm not really sure what happened there

[faint rampart]

like some enemies go back to their original path even if blue box is close just to get on their original path

[faint rampart]

:FurnacesFinale:

as long as it works yes🥹

[faint rampart]

talons maybe?
and do every em/fight
take bosky and do multiple endings
altho 15 min lamp still seems faster
||could be wrong, i didn't play is5||

[tired wyvern]

I mean, 15 min lamp is fast, but I want to get more levels after completing each run, I'm at level 98, I'm around 57 levels away from being done, and I don't want to do too many runs, other ends i could also solo with wisadel?

After talons and doing every fight, how many points do u think I could reach? Around 2k to 2.5k in d10 or is that asking for too much?

[sly harness]

But Talons runs takes an hour or two

You can optimize Lamp to 10 minutes, think faster, click faster minimize the amount of things done during combat

[tired wyvern]

Oh.
Does it give an hour or two worth of battle pass points? If I do till floor 6 every single emergency and normal fight?

[sly harness]

Lamp speedrun with 2 Boskies is all you need

(the Boskies are quite an important part when it comes to pints)

[tired wyvern]

I'm level 98, I get around 1k per run, how many more runs to max out the battle pass?

[faint rampart]

should be higher
was able to find a screenshot of me getting 2k exp on d5 so

[sly harness]

1k is 2.5 level

[tired wyvern]

Hmm.
But sometimes in the map speed run u end up choking and loose before the first boss

[tired wyvern]

Huh? I have never gone above that much in IS 5, i have not gone over 1.1 k 😭

[sly harness]

But the thing is that with Lamp you get 1k in 10 minutes (you skip most of the combats/collectibles/recruitments) in Talon's you will get more then 2k but you will need more than 2 hours for one run

Within those 2 hours you can do 10 Lamp runs for 10k points

[faint rampart]

yeah but it took 2 hrs(could be shorter)

[tired wyvern]

Good point, so in 2hrs 8k points that's like 20 levels

[tired wyvern]

Oh damn, so 1k every 15 min is better ig

[faint rampart]

i feel like you're more likely to get cooked on random EM with talons than normal fights with lamp, maybe not

[faint rampart]

yea, thats why its recommended if you wanna farm (?)

[tired wyvern]

Oh coming to the point, is the is4 any good? Or IS 1 or 2, idk which one gives the genisis background, but are they doable? How long is one run there?

[faint rampart]

idk whats genesis bg but is2 should'nt have much variance in the amount of time per run +higher diff sucks

haven't played 3 and 4 to say anything , help would prolly recommend is3 to farm (???)

[tired wyvern]

Is3 is easy?

Ppl were saying to do is 6 too, since radian basically solos the thing

[faint rampart]

idk, haven't played

[earnest shuttle]

more like simple to understand because they have some similar nodes like the one after them and not too difficult like is2

[faint rampart]

ice/polarbear guy said it should be easy at d7

[tired wyvern]

Hm

[tired wyvern]

Ah

[earnest shuttle]

Althought the dice rng are straight up horrible

[tired wyvern]

Is 2 is difficult?

[tired wyvern]

Hmm

[earnest shuttle]

I would say its harder than the ones after it

the most basic rougelike it can be

and at the start of the run you get two relic
one benefits you and one debuff you

IS3 and IS6 are gambling

[faint rampart]

they didn't make Yii playable smh

[prime mountain]

I was so certain it was gonna be him then I saw Wang's depressed ass and was like

oh ok

[tired wyvern]

Lmfao

[faint rampart]

same im pretty sure Yi looks more sell-able then there's wang

[tired wyvern]

Oh yea, I rlly want the silver frost UI and the genesis background, so I'm gonna do is4 next? That's should be also done in 30hrs totally rt,m

[prime mountain]

It was prob for story reasons

[earnest shuttle]

sure is4 is more fun than previous IS from what i heard

[prime mountain]

Idk, didnt read suiblings events

[tired wyvern]

I mean, IS3 is also one I want due that majestic background, does is3 also have it's own ui?

[prime mountain]

This is true. IS4 is peak. (is6 is close second)

[earnest shuttle]

They dont unfortunately

[tired wyvern]

Yea and the cosmetic rewards look great, I'm gonna start playing it after I'm done with is 5

[tired wyvern]

Awww

But the silver frost UI, and the background from is4 look amazing

I want it lmao

[prime mountain]

They started doing UI after IS3 yeah

[tired wyvern]

Ah alr

[earnest shuttle]

Could have expand the is3 bp smh

[prime mountain]

But how can anyone use anything else than the so long adele background with the bgm...

It even extends into base if you put the same...

And has the day night versions

So peak...

[tired wyvern]

Wait which one?

[prime mountain]

This

[tired wyvern]

Hmm

[prime mountain]

Its 30op in shop rn

Changes depending on day/night time

The ost also changes

[faint rampart]

god, shove 2 ardelias in this guy's gilberta pulls

[prime mountain]

You laugh but she's the first one I pulled

[tired wyvern]

Ye ik, it's peak, but I tbh don't like it not my style lmao, looks great, but I like a more calm or depressed vibe. This just gives of energetic vibes lol, the bgm of the is 3 and is4 backgrounds are amazing, not mention, IS5 also has good ui and background, but idk why silver frost looks better

[faint rampart]

no way laev offrate

[tired wyvern]

By leav u mean surtr? Or r u talking abt endfeild?

[faint rampart]

endfield

[inland elbow]

Hell yeah

The is3 menu theme is one of my favorites

[slate hull]

does it matter what difficulty I pick if all I am doing is rushing f1 to invest ingots?

let's do support squad and pick the random collectible just for fun, surely it won't be anything good

[sly harness]

Pathing

[slate hull]

now I feel like I have to commit to the run even though I was just planning to reach 500 investment

[remote umbra]

I see kaltsit has an IS module.
Is she useful or Monst3r still gets oneshot even with the module + s3?

[sly harness]

first of all you shoud usally use her S2

it is a better skill in general and provides much better survivability for Mon3tr and healing for other units

and yes with module Mon3tr is very tanky, to the point when he is even good enough to work in IS3 as a blocker

[iron orchid]

ffs

[sly harness]

no ed2? penalty for collecting Retrieve outside the 5x5 grid (ignore them)

[iron orchid]

ah ic

[prime mountain]

Retrieve so ass fr

giving you life points when you're full

giving you vouchers when you're at max saving capacity

[iron orchid]

mfw i accidentally draft wild mane instead of canta

time to figure out what that goober can do

[pastel saffron]

she can push

[iron orchid]

yes...

[pastel saffron]

Weedy + Canta together

Op

[iron orchid]

[prime mountain]

Simply get the durin enemies encounter

!

[pastel saffron]

And also get all the levitate and weightless relics

draft ange

she will push everyone to death

Cinema

[prime mountain]

Surely

Why does this happen so often

I MADE A MISTAKE

THE -100HP/S COIN

APPLIES TO THE BARRICADES

[pastel saffron]

its ok just

kill the giys

u have hoshi and leizi and entel

u alredi won

its not EM

not scary

[prime mountain]

Yeah this is my highroll run from yesterday its fine

And

the -hp/s coin

DOES WORK WITH UNLEASHINGS

+2sp/s on ed3

crazy

[pastel saffron]

hoshi uptime finna be cra,y

[prime mountain]

Degen broken!!!

[sly harness]

I sometimes wonder why my DP situation is so good and then I am reminded how great this collectible is

[prime mountain]

This being positive dp alongside ed2 free unit is funny

[sly harness]

wait Ines S3 prints DP on the first free deployment

[prime mountain]

Insane unit!!!

Unleashings + ed3 balls + bleed coin is so funny

You get like 3 sp per second extra

And another per ball

Oh shit, another tech learned today

Redeploying units via dragons procs the true damage/stun on deploy relic

mhmm

This was certaintly a run...

[sly harness]

wtf empty f6

[prime mountain]

Empty as in no pathfind?

[sly harness]

no, you didn't get anything on f6

your last collectible is from f5 boss

[prime mountain]

Oh relics you mean? Yeah it was like one shitty encounter, pathfind and regular fight

It was the fucking +2coupon encounter

[sly harness]

Nice run

[prime mountain]

🫃

[sly harness]

The one above bells was more impactful

[prime mountain]

Oh bruh I didnt even see thats crazy highroll

[sly harness]

Stir fry only 2 stacks (frauded collectible) and bells only because useful on f6

[prime mountain]

Only +40% hp and 20% atk what a fraud...

Erh 30% attack?

[sly harness]

Oh and -45% HP coin

This damage was done only by Mizuki + Waai Fu

[prime mountain]

Dodge relic is insane in is6

naran meta, truly

[slate hull]

I have never had a run this bad before. Bad relics, bad coins, bad vouchers, 200 ingots, but every leisure node is Shu, couldn't find ed2 with only 2 unexplored squares, lost and found gives me charcoal mask, hours of sui were sp debuff and apparition buff. It is like I used all of my luck on the starting screen and f1

[trail needle]

alr nian lets go

[prime mountain]

She boutta kick you out I see it

This is so cursed

[slate hull]

this is actually insane tech if you are doing bells stacks

[prime mountain]

Just get bells and arduous trade on f1 yep obviously

So shrimple

[carmine token]

shop rob :ya:

[static marlin]

is free Raidian from special squad also count as requirement for task?

[prime mountain]

Any raidian counts yes, and these passives apply to all raidians

Well, apply or don't come pre applied

Sketchy stage....

Oh with a miniboss I cant kill too, glorious

nevermind I kill this bitchass rat

[pastel saffron]

oh my god what are these placements 😭

kal should have been at top to avoid attack from bottom enemy if they transform I think

and the enemy that comes our from bottom is immediately priority

so hoshi on one side of red box, entel on other

can immediately swarm when they come out

works wonders for me

[slate hull]

this stage is annoying, it pretty much comes down to spawncamp red box or experience the worst snowball effect ever

[gaunt bay]

Furrilo

[steel relic]

they can't transform in this position

[slate hull]

depends if meteor is e1 or e2

[steel relic]

you mean e0 or e1?

[slate hull]

oh, right

yeah, then they can't transform there

[sly harness]

You had the 100% ATK next to the red box (if I see correctly) and you didn't take advantage of it

But this EM can really be annoying, especially without DP because this stage opens very fast

[nocturne cape]

even harder on D18 😉

Bulldozer joins the fight

[sly harness]

I will have Raidian on d18

[copper orchid]

I will have shop squad and 999 withdraw on d18

[severe oasis]

ive admittedly exploded to EM beware more than once before

[copper orchid]

Was dlc1 released before salter or after

[remote badger]

mmm

[severe oasis]

before ?

i think

[copper orchid]

i need my dlc1

What event was it released

[nocturne cape]

before

[severe oasis]

it was released shortly after mantra iirc

[sly harness]

I admittedly leaked once in EM beware because I had the "+30% Command EXP accrual while in the Coffer. Enemies have +30% ATK and DEF while tossed" coin and double Talisman Hour or something like this

[severe oasis]

like during her banner

[remote badger]

hi

[severe oasis]

hi

[copper orchid]

Oka

[gaunt bay]

rosecat

:3

[copper orchid]

We are pretty much getting mantra after sakiko right

[severe oasis]

er

maybe a month after

[copper orchid]

I cant wait!

I havent touched is6

Since i e2 raidian

[slate hull]

interesting, f1 + f2 bosky into abandon run counts as 2 floors for the bonus you get at the start

I assume you have to leave the bosky for it to count as a cleared floor

but it is interesting that it is counted that way

wait, this gives me an idea

[remote badger]

meow :3

[gaunt bay]

mreeow~

[remote badger]

mreow

[gaunt bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1434332916430672033/Pramanix_is_Here.gif

[slate hull]

okay, so f1 + f1 bosky also counts as 2 floors cleared

you get 230 score vs the 330 you get if you do f1 into f2 bosky, I think it is just the number of nodes cleared that makes it different

still way more than the 70 I got for just f1

[tired wyvern]

Yeaa

[gritty spade]

If I do a candleholder fight and the operator uses a skill to move off the tile, will they still become a candlebearer?

[slate hull]

who are you using Ulpianus?

[gritty spade]

Mon3tr

[slate hull]

I am doing investment runs, so I can go e2 mon3tr and go check in a few minutes

my bet is that it might not count if she is not on the tile when the timer runs out

[gritty spade]

The wording of the stage sounds like they should get it as long as they don’t retreat

[prime mountain]

This seems like an edge case you would really need to test first

But why are we drafting mon3tr anyway when kal is better...

Ulpi I get

[tired wyvern]

How many points does that give?

[prime mountain]

Its 3 floor entered bonus you're tripping

You enter f1, you enter bosky, you enter f3

Thats how it worked in is4 at least

Cause you def could do bosky f2 > abandon

[prime mountain]

Coupons and pray for another fight on f1 its not the worst

[slate hull]

nah, I mean the text above says at least 2 floors

[prime mountain]

Overcame 2 floors = entered 3

You beat 2 and entered the 3rd

[slate hull]

ah, you are saying you have to exit the bosky for it to count, I think I already mentioned that somewhere

[prime mountain]

No you dont

You have to enter 3 floors

Enter f1, f1 bosky, enter f2 counts

If you do f1, f2 and f2 bosky entry you can leave mid bosky and be fine

I think you're just tripping dude 🥀

[slate hull]

Okay, so originally I did f1, no f1 bosky, then f2 bosky until I run out of candles and reset run. Now I do f1, f1 bosky until I run out of candle, enter f2, end run

[prime mountain]

You dont need the candle thing just leave it

Go straight to f2

There's a leave bosky button

[slate hull]

oh, is that what you mean by me tripping

that is just me not knowing specific information

I guess you can skip using the candles to save time, but I have been grinding collectibles to make investment grind less boring

[prime mountain]

Yeah fastest is just run end of times squad > skip first fight > encounter > shop > bosky > enter f2 and reset

[slate hull]

man, that is 3 runs in a row without medic vouchers, I am going to have to use the e2 recruitment squad for this

[prime mountain]

What you need medics for dude draft haruka!

Known currently useful unit about to fall off

[sly harness]

10 Hope Purestream

[slate hull]

I am trying to test what the other person said about moving off the pathfinder tile

[prime mountain]

Nuh huh, she has some damage too!

[prime mountain]

e2 ulpi start wouldnt work?

[sly harness]

It should

Especially if you don't go d15

[slate hull]

okay, it seems I don't understand how e2 squad works like, I guess you actually need to have the hope to promote who you start with

[prime mountain]

You always do?

They cost 1 less...

And the first unit starts pre promoted

Unless borrowed

[sly harness]

You get one insta promotion

The Hope cost is the same as in the case of e1 recruitment -1

[gaunt bay]

furrilo whyd you ignore me

[prime mountain]

Cause I was busy playing board games with family 👍

And eating food

So hi kiwi!!!

[gaunt bay]

hi furrilo

how was the food

did you have fun with the family

[prime mountain]

Food was good, board game was ass lmao we are not playing this again

[gaunt bay]

what did you play

[prime mountain]

Rummoli? Or something the card game

[gaunt bay]

never heard of it

[prime mountain]

Old people aaaah game

[nocturne cape]

play better board games

[gaunt bay]

i see

[nocturne cape]

😉

[prime mountain]

We're going back to strip poker yep

[nocturne cape]

giga cringe

[gaunt bay]

time to play mahjong

[nocturne cape]

but ig good boardgames do cost a decent bit

[prime mountain]

Poker do be fun tho

[slate hull]

hold on, by operators from first recruitment will already be promoted, does it mean operators of the 2 specific classes the squad makes cheaper?

[prime mountain]

Yes

ANY unit from those 2 classes

will start already e2

[slate hull]

oh, that makes sense

[prime mountain]

Including 4* in is6 which is ass

Forces you to save vg vouchers

[late pecan]

Should I go Bosky or do Combat node here?

[slate hull]

apparently I never unlocked assault, fortification or ranged

[prime mountain]

F2 you want to have the bare minimum to clear the fights, raidian + someone is enough if you're good

But either way you go bosky

[late pecan]

Hmm, how's this?

[prime mountain]

if you cant clear fights, then just save the candles

For d5 yeah take the bosky

[late pecan]

👍

[prime mountain]

Time to get good and learn how to raidian every bosky fight 👍

Holy fuck im cooking

Gramophone gaming

Mfw f2 foot kill

[slate hull]

finally, on the 5th run I get the medic promote collectible

wlid because I am used to getting medic vouchers every second run, it gives them to me even when I have no medics

okay, so Mon3tr was using s3 when the fight ended and she just got the candle

[prime mountain]

Good info 👍

[slate hull]

so, I guess they actually checked for that

actually big because I was about to throw the experiment by letting her die to the lizards, but I used s3 to dodge

[prime mountain]

Now if only mon3tr was half decent in is6

🥀

[flint token]

i mean she’s decent for taking out statuegeists from weird positions but that’s kinda it

[slate hull]

took longer to test than I expected, but I tried 2x and both times she got candled even when she was using s3 when the timer ran out

[gritty spade]

My ass got impatient and lost anyway

But good to know for the future!

[prime mountain]

This is fucking cursed

Invisible statuegeist

[slate hull]

that was an hour ago, so I can't blame you, it was a combination of bad luck and getting distracted

I feel like I have learned more about the mode in these investment rushing runs than I did in a bunch of my past ed2 d15 attempts. Legit saw a bunch of events and collectibles that I never knew about

I think I discovered a route that worked on my early runs and then stuck to it until now instead of trying new stuff

[prime mountain]

IS6 has so many wacky relic/unit combos/encounters its really nice in that department

[stray dove]

I love IS6 because of that

PLUS

WiW traversal

[slate hull]

floor 1 encounters are really nice, I got a few lame ones like the Gopnik one that I am not sure how you are supposed to do on floor 1 and the one that gives you a coin, but a lot of them are legit more useful than doing combat

[stray dove]

people may not think too much about it but I like the decision making to be done to get best value in IS6 WiW

[prime mountain]

Gopnik one has gramophones so huh do something with that

[prime mountain]

Knowing the hidden stuff yeah its great

Like when you actually know what does what

and the "after X nodes passed" stuff for legend

[cold fjord]

I mean

[stray dove]

and also the knowledge if you want to do that particular Turmoil or not

[slate hull]

I don't remember, but I maybe had the enemy atk buff coin because those rocks got destroyed real fast

[stray dove]

Does he know?

[prime mountain]

Yeah but you can stall with roberta or like raidian s1

[prime mountain]

She's bad bro

sorry

[stray dove]

no i meant you do know what's happening in Ed5 right now, right?

[slate hull]

I see, so that is what the tech is

[cold fjord]

he doesn't know

[prime mountain]

ED5 isnt real bro

Wtf kinda tech the CN bros found again

[stray dove]

ngl i think it's closer to....235 routing

[prime mountain]

Is it med sniper again

[stray dove]

that makes Mon3tr solves multiple things

nah

[prime mountain]

Ok its not schizo we're fine

[cold fjord]

class squads are dogshit

so

[stray dove]

it's just that she's good in both keeping shit alive and dealing with Ed5 shit

[cold fjord]

nah

[stray dove]

plus mon3tr starts becoming way more relevant when shit....gets to high enough relic count

[prime mountain]

IS6 is just is5 all over again

[stray dove]

it ain't Lamp that's for sure

[prime mountain]

Starts out fine and expansions make it relicslop

[stray dove]

plus getting relics ain't as shit as Talons

i mean

did you really think they won't make Ed5 difficult?

[cold fjord]

this is correct

[stray dove]

the entire IS6 vanilla is already such a strong power fantasy

[severe oasis]

lowkey its so much better than lamp anyway

[stray dove]

while the bosses feel not too dangerous

[cold fjord]

your avg end5 run provided you play properly has 100+ relics

so it is actually worse than is5

[prime mountain]

my fun gamemode

On a time limit now

Can we just like, keep a snapshot of arknights pre is6 ed5 expansion

[severe oasis]

is7 will be peak though

[stray dove]

to be fair, IS6 gives you so much power, but the enemies are a joke....until Ed5

the only bar for entry to getting strong in IS6 is just knowledge on how things work

I know you love your gameplay of IS to be relicless-capable

but the game mode is just made for relics and I think it's gonna be the norm that they will make bosses that need relics

[prime mountain]

No you don't understand

I want the game to not feel like ass when you lowroll

and feel good when you do

If every run is a highroll, its not fun

[stray dove]

it already is?

lowrolling on IS6 is not a death sentence

there's so many ways to feel strong

[prime mountain]

Yeah thats how I like it

Its fine as is

[stray dove]

even the ammo-relics feel like DPS relics

Curio is a DPS coin

etc

[cold fjord]

yes, because that's how it works pre dlc2
you can't lowroll on dlc2 and expect to win

[prime mountain]

Therefore dlc2 is ass

zzz

[stray dove]

Ed5 based on the only 2 patterns it has has been designed as the FINAL FINAL boss.
In other words, bring your A-game

you ain't lowrolling out of it

[severe oasis]

just go back to is4 and ban exu

[stray dove]

Wis already makes most of IS4 trivial

[severe oasis]

ban her too ofc

[stray dove]

with spike chests being her main weakness

[robust grail]

IS is only based when it kicks you in the balls

[stray dove]

Ban Pralter too in IS4

[severe oasis]

mei can you train me in is5

[prime mountain]

You would need like, wis, exu, trag hoshi ban or something

Too many broken units nowadays

[stray dove]

people forget Pralter a lot

she's Geexu in IS

[robust grail]

what do you want

[stray dove]

arts version

[severe oasis]

make me good

[robust grail]

what comp do you play

[severe oasis]

snipermed wis ban

[cold fjord]

mei is bad with snipemed

[prime mountain]

IS5 snipermed? can we ban this guy

[stray dove]

Ray Ros Mon3tr

[severe oasis]

i dont have hoederer

🥹

[prime mountain]

Do huh yato collection squad or some shit

[stray dove]

the only main thing Hoed carried me in IS5 is blocking Amiyi indefinitely in P3

[nocturne cape]

wtf is a yato collection squad

[prime mountain]

I forgot what its called

Oh soul escort sorry

[stray dove]

the fuck?

[severe oasis]

only if i can e1 start

[stray dove]

are they recreating

Survivor Ya2 solo?

with that squad

[prime mountain]

Ya

Infinite spam yato

[stray dove]

[prime mountain]

with fucking kafka infinite stall every stage

its so cursed

[nocturne cape]

its technically meta

for lamp at least

[prime mountain]

5 hour runs yep yep

[cold fjord]

yeah but kafka is optional

you can play without her just fine

[stray dove]

if Geexu can already be insta-redep'd in IS6 with the right relics and coin, that does mean Ya2 is insta-redep'd too, right?

but yeah IS5

[prime mountain]

On soul escort yeah

Its such a not fun squad to run

[stray dove]

what makes IS5 Ya2 be insta-redep

[severe oasis]

ive actually never played yato soul escort nor seen gameplay of it

[prime mountain]

-12s redeploy time when using an inspirer or something on soul escort

[stray dove]

Soul Escort feels like shit doing in Ed3 routing

due to Patriot Sankta debuff

[severe oasis]

bc i havent touched is5 in so long

[prime mountain]

Every time I try to greed, it dont work

Oh wait its cooked regardless

I dont have 5 candleguests for ed3 I forgor

[severe oasis]

i can never kill gopnik here

[stray dove]

Raidian S3 is my go-to for this one

did you ban her?

[severe oasis]

yeah

[stray dove]

i see trag

[shy flame]

can i get some help on ls 5?

[prime mountain]

My reasoning for not banning trag is he's useless in ed2

so

[slate hull]

I think the drones with boxes on the bottom are optional, but greed says you have to get the boxes

[stray dove]

I already got Partial Cecity but my emulator fucked up on that single run when it hasnt before.
Didn't get lvl2 Cecity.
Feels like fate telling me it's never meant to be.....
But I'm still grinding....
I'm not stopping...

[prime mountain]

I kinda had to cause I wasnt confident without them on entel leizi open

Might try something else next time

I had enough hp to not need them turns out

[shy flame]

anyone?

[slate hull]

one of them has the drone disable thing, not sure what the other 2 drop

[prime mountain]

If you mean ls5 the stage then wrong channel go to #help

[shy flame]

i was told to come here and ask also its the xp one

[prime mountain]

Couldve kept the bottom right one I guess? when does it start to move

[prime mountain]

Who told you that

I will ban their ass

[stray dove]

actually

[prime mountain]

This is for the integrated strategies roguelike gamemode

[stray dove]

go to #strategy

#strategy can help you in map strats

[prime mountain]

Oh wait yeah thats a channel

[shy flame]

really>

?

[prime mountain]

No but really who said that

[stray dove]

Ryukatsu, just go to #strategy

[shy flame]

#arknights message

[stray dove]

tell them it's LS-(number)

[slate hull]

I think every time I failed the stage it was because of the ice drones, but I think they all start moving at roughly the same time

[stray dove]

ask for their help

[prime mountain]

LMAO

Someone remove his mod status

Why he hate us

[stray dove]

i think