is-station

[earnest shuttle]

Leizialt

[uneven dew]

don't have

[earnest shuttle]

Who else are you borrow ?

[uneven dew]

borrow?

[earnest shuttle]

You can borrow ops you dont have in IS when you first making a squad

[uneven dew]

I'm already on floor 2

[earnest shuttle]

I thought u were borrowing someone else

[faint rampart]

:hmmmthinkers:

[pastel saffron]

jus show us ur guards we tell u which ones are draftable

[proven dagger]

my wisadel looks a lil diff

[faint rampart]

seen so many godsender memes...maybe hes goated

[pastel saffron]

Wisadel Alter

[pastel saffron]

take him he can do smth

[uneven dew]

6*s, everything past mlynar is level 1 but I can level one of them right away

5*s

[proven dagger]

missionary mizuki

[earnest shuttle]

degen

[pastel saffron]

degen and mlynar both good in IS6

silverash could be ok too in gvg (kinda)

[uneven dew]

I thought you were calling me a degen

[pastel saffron]

just dont play gvg with what u have

[earnest shuttle]

No 😭

[uneven dew]

what's gvg

[earnest shuttle]

guard vanguard

[pastel saffron]

this skin with aspd buff is so funny 😭😭 only reason I am tempted to buy

[proven dagger]

corner technology

[uneven dew]

I'm already mostly ranged so

[proven dagger]

ikr

[faint rampart]

ooops missed it

[earnest shuttle]

bringing 1 guard wouldnt hurt

[uneven dew]

yeah I need more blockers that do damage

[faint rampart]

ended up recruiting nymph cuz i already have logos(i hope that doesn't need virtuosa???)

[pastel saffron]

omg entel techs are so good, I love entel

dual lane technology

[sly harness]

This looked quite bad

But gg

[pastel saffron]

nymphs purpose is to help enroute a bit and ed2 insta necro burst to reduce boss stomp dmg

if u arent going ed2 nymph bad draft ngl

[uneven dew]

what does degen do

[sly harness]

And the roll was quite average

[sly harness]

Rather gvg only pick

[uneven dew]

oh

then what do I take for a ranged team

[sly harness]

Third best guard maybe forth if Młynar

[faint rampart]

yeah but like i cant think of any decent casters after logos

[pastel saffron]

u can pick her even outside of gvg ngl when ur account doesn't have leizi/entel to pick from guard vouchers

[sly harness]

As far as I know post dlc2 she will be more useful

[pastel saffron]

degen I mean

[uneven dew]

I feel like he's kinda mid without S3

[sly harness]

Yes

[pastel saffron]

even aftwe dlc1 I see her in ed2a

[sly harness]

But Leizi also isn't that useful on e1

[pastel saffron]

should have taken passenger tbh, caster voucher is fraud anyway

should have saved hope and get a free m9 character

[sly harness]

You won't play ed2a in dlc1 because 23 is still harder

[uneven dew]

are my guards just all useless then

[sly harness]

Also her S3 can dodge the ed2 stops

[uneven dew]

😭 😭

[sly harness]

This is nice

[pastel saffron]

[sly harness]

Ente is fine even e1

[uneven dew]

I don't have

[pastel saffron]

he doesn't have bro

[sly harness]

Leizi is great but you need e2

[pastel saffron]

@uneven dew

If u get guard voucher early game, I would pick degen

[sly harness]

Like most of the 6* needs e2

[uneven dew]

is degen good E1

[pastel saffron]

if u puck late game I would pick mlynar

[earnest shuttle]

shes okay with s2 but s3 is obviously way better

[pastel saffron]

she can block, apply frighten yeah she is not that dookie at e1

her main skill is s3 tho

[sly harness]

S2 is nice but needs Bloodbath (2 SP on hit) or Archetto

[uneven dew]

or should I just conserve my hope for another class

[sly harness]

For guards I would only pick Leizi (Młynar if you don't have her). But for that you need a proper carry first

[faint rampart]

i see, will do it next time
i assume caster voucher is considered fraud cuz high res(???)

[sly harness]

Ente if you need hit count solution

And then you have 2 Yan 4*

Or Amiya

So even lower rarities are valuable on guard voucher

[uneven dew]

I don't think I have a single yan op

😭

[pastel saffron]

even in low res environments you realise its not res as much but the units themselves

aside from logos no one is doing as much as meta sniper/spec ranged units drafts

[sly harness]

Windscoot and Luo Xiaohei

[uneven dew]

what class are those

[sly harness]

Guards

[faint rampart]

huh so its just a dmg issue

[uneven dew]

yeah I don't have them...

[fervent verge]

Swire, Blaze, and Chen are Yan ops in your screenshot

[uneven dew]

oh they are?

well, I don't think they're good choices to draft though...

[earnest shuttle]

someone told me chalter isnt Yan but idk if thats true or not

[uneven dew]

are these all Yan???

[sly harness]

yes

[fervent verge]

Found this on reddit

[uneven dew]

what is Yan anyway I thought it was the asian country

[fervent verge]

Yan is China. Lungmen is basically Hong Kong, so also within Yan

[earnest shuttle]

Yan also include people who work there

[pastel saffron]

Even logos isnt a prio draft, at most he only does dps

But look at other ranged units, Exia has barrier + hoshi rdp plus bomb talent also somewhat helps with hitcount

Wis has camo/flinger also decent with hitcount, so she can do some maps no other ranged unit can, like on clarity/garrison she has safe tile

trag has peak crowd control
nara has attack steal and decent against hitcount as well.

Logos is just straight up dps... and for the hardest ending, which is ed2. Boss has 50 res so his dmg goes down. And His S2 can't tank coz stomps are physical

The best unit from the voucher is already not that worth , ideally when you get caster vouchers you use them on Amiya, coz other options for Amiya are guard/medic vouchers who have good options to pick from

Caster voucher has been fraud since IS3 really

[uneven dew]

oh I was gonna ask why exu is Yan when she's Laterano

[earnest shuttle]

yea bc penguin logistic in Lungmen

[uneven dew]

should I just get a Yan guard then

cus I have exu and I need 2

I don't really need the guard to be super good, just good enough to hold a lane

cus I have 3 ranged carries

[proven dagger]

we are wisadelllll
we carry the gameeee

[uneven dew]

I hate her

[fervent verge]

Is your raidian leveled up

[faint rampart]

i see, so just non relevant units huh
thought it would be worth it with hope discount
thanks for the answer

[uneven dew]

why do you think I'm playing this mode

[fervent verge]

Oh lol

[uneven dew]

oh fk windscoot is liberator

he can't even block

[earnest shuttle]

mmm stir fry

[sly harness]

Who was coping f3 Stir fry? Average stir fry: f5

[earnest shuttle]

they should rework the stir fry

[uneven dew]

her smug smile and big numbers mock me and all my old snipers

[pastel saffron]

nymph can be actually tech for ed2 tho since she reduces attack, but there are many options

it just depends on what vouchers you get, medic has rose salt who has DR
spec has waifu who is also -atk
Sniper has nara with atk steal
Vanguard has Ines but her atk steal isnt that great
Caster has Nymph with Necrosis which applies Enfeeble (Attack down)
Spec has Exia who has the barrier which literally cheeses ed2 and waifu
Supporter has Shamare who also applies -atk

[pastel saffron]

it's actually exia

[uneven dew]

true

exu is based

she's an OG

[sly harness]

with ed4 you will have f6 Bosky

[slate hull]

how many candles?

[uneven dew]

I think I just get swire for free and don't waste any more hope on it

[slate hull]

is it 5 like f2 and f4?

[earnest shuttle]

[fervent verge]

Yep sounds good

[uneven dew]

or is Crusher better

I have her too

I mean

wind chimes

[sly harness]

you can trade some resorces for extra candles so like 13 (it will be a new special bosky)

[slate hull]

ooooooh

[uneven dew]

context I'm actually getting hardblocked in remnant realm because of Doubts needing 2 Yan

[faint rampart]

so nymph pretty replaceable just for the atk down
thought the necro/tru dmg would be considerable

guess i dont play castcast anymore 🥀

[fervent verge]

I don't use either so I cant tell. Crushers don't have defense though so they may be squishier, if all you're looking for is a blocker

[sly harness]

where best caster Angelina?

[faint rampart]

no sup vouchers

||but true, she reaaaalllyy saves my ass more than logos atleast for now, that IS module is goated||

[pastel saffron]

good crowd control and left lane duty for ed2

[faint rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1350874583619866735.gif?size=20&animated=true&name=ggnod

really helpful on my lowroll runs where i cant kill sht so i gotta stall

[sly harness]

she is also really good into f6 stages and ed3

[pastel saffron]

@faint rampart Actually I suggest you look at this for drafts, it has drafts for every voucher

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SEqy7NRi2_2O4YhbrFV2OouPIj0heEeVZdzTg8R7RJ8/edit?usp=sharing

its missing some things for dlc2 I believe but I think mika will add them later prolly

[faint rampart]

huh how ed3

[proven dagger]

@halcyon flame @cold fjord 🫃

[faint rampart]

yeah thanks, already read it
just trying out new squads for fun

[pastel saffron]

her talent has heal

[faint rampart]

but its pretty low(??)

[sly harness]

she is used in relicless

[earnest shuttle]

Golden chalice

[sly harness]

(not for healing)

[pastel saffron]

it still helps a bit I believe

[sly harness]

it can help outheal the bleed

[pastel saffron]

obviously, u would bring haruka if u needed healing only

[sly harness]

but with balls it will do nothing

in relicless she is used with Mizuki for top

[pastel saffron]

whats the invis guy solve for relicless

do they use ines or block bodies

[faint rampart]

oh i see, guess its the usual stall them if you cant kill

[sly harness]

they completely cc and kill everything

but her damge is not lacking ofc

i really like her with -40% SP cost for supporter

with it her skill cycle and uptime are insane

[faint rampart]

:ggnod:

[sly harness]

ines

Mizuki/Angelina kills them but ines shadow is there to reveal them

[pastel saffron]

figured

[uneven dew]

what is "promoted by combat"?

I thought you could only promote using vouchers?

[halcyon flame]

preggo

[cold fjord]

[sly harness]

Btw those coins are so 🫃

[faint rampart]

the special fight option on pathfinder node
or lei fa coin

[proven dagger]

i need this emote

[uneven dew]

fight option???

I've never seen it

[faint rampart]

weiqi chance user spotted

[faint rampart]

huh yea

[sly harness]

check skill tree. you need to unlock it there (on the Face-Off Scout column)

[uneven dew]

oh

my skil tree is basic

[proven dagger]

this players still plays IS4 the old-fashioned way

[sly harness]

Guards/Vanguards?

[earnest shuttle]

[faint rampart]

congrats :roshype:

[uneven dew]

ahhhh fk I just got a 3rd specialist voucher

what do I do with it...

[sly harness]

you have a lot of meta specialists

and a lot of 4* Yan specialists

[uneven dew]

is there any point in stacking more than 2 yan??

[uneven dew]

but I don't think I have them

[fervent verge]

There are benefits for up to 5 Yan iirc. But two is enough

[sly harness]

you need 4 for the higher tier Doubts condition

[uneven dew]

is Texalt meta?

[sly harness]

nah. Yato is better

Phantom maybe

[uneven dew]

I can get phantom

how do I use him

[sly harness]

but you can definitly cope Texas on low difficulties

[prime mountain]

Tex s2 + hoshi s3 ed2 burst

toughts

[faint rampart]

wait actually would you rank phantom higher than tex considering all the fell off talks?

[uneven dew]

bruh I'm not spending 4 hope on a meh unit 💀

[sly harness]

in IS6? skip both

Phantom has much higher potential (especially relicless) but imo he is very hard to use optimaly. overall he is most likely better then Texas if you know how to use him

[faint rampart]

uh oh yeah

i see
dont really know much about other IS/relicless but glad hes atleast considered as an option

thanks for the answer

[sly harness]

i picked Texas in IS6 once. i was doing ed1 run for the badge and i had 0 redplymnet time combo

so i bulied Yi with Yato + Texas

[split lintel]

Im more impressed that you still have this, that thing is old damn

[faint rampart]

bro getting these highroll runs, might as well start posting on YT😢

https://youtu.be/-sbqzQakHGg?si=WtetlrCm28YeVyPo

[pastel saffron]

I actually lost it and had to find it, I clicked on the imgur link months ago when u made this

then I went into my history and looked for imgur links and sure enough, buried between pull prio pics was the link for the tier list, then I saved it and now it stays in my phone

[split lintel]

[sly harness]

Maybe I'll start, but it'll probably be single stages (like ed2). I don't have space on my phone to record longer videos

[faint rampart]

nvm i forgot thats a ling abuser, sorry for posting cursed stuff

[inland elbow]

Where's my referall bozo

Get me hired

[split lintel]

Yahallo

[faint rampart]

:rosHype: iirc you also posted leizi+ente start ones on your yt

[sly harness]

yep

[inland elbow]

It's time to switch to pc bro

[faint rampart]

thanks for that ||too bad i cant play that|| Good luck tho, looking forward to more

[inland elbow]

It's the next step towards becoming an IS maniac

[faint rampart]

lukas already goated
imagine if mf gets more power

[sly harness]

I don't know. Switching to playing with a mouse will be a pain. And since the in-game pause deploy feature has been announced, I'm running out of reasons to switch to PC (but I'll see what happens when the official PC client comes out).

[inland elbow]

Will frame advancing be enabled

I thought that the mouse was inconvenient to play with at first, but then I realized that keybinds are way more accurate than fingers

And don't obscure your vision of the screen

I just have like 8 keybinds for all the common actions I do

[brittle grove]

Isnt the pause deploy only for sss?

[inland elbow]

Mouse is only for selecting ops

[brittle grove]

cn stream i meant

[sly harness]

no, it was some other separate qol

[brittle grove]

I will just wait for the actual update

[sly harness]

there werethree things announced at once something about sss, something to read a story and the pause deploy

[brittle grove]

Yeah event CG

More like story CG

[sly harness]

https://youtu.be/fOeiVfPHEFE

Maybe I'll record another one for e2 and e1 Ente "only". I don't know if I'll do e2 Leizi "only"

[faint rampart]

no leaks

[sly harness]

Yes, this strategy is pretty consistent, no leak. Leizi's pots (or collectibles/-30% HP) is needed to catch the first enemy, without it, you might have to leak him if Cannot buffs him. and you can usually outheal even bad Cannot rng later

[pastel saffron]

omg lukas ur the goat tysm

I'll finally do raidian gvg now

I'll sub to ur channel

when u do play pls record runs

like ed2 for example

I wanna see how gvg tackles it

enroute I'll be fine myself

end3 should be the hardest part prolly

[pastel saffron]

wow excuse to buy pot ftom cc shop

[pastel saffron]

entel skill timing stays the same I assume?

[sly harness]

You use the first Ente skill when Leizi finishes the first S2

to catch mobs/help with Talisman

[pastel saffron]

why make it unlisted tho

[pastel saffron]

this ngl seems easier than raidian one

coz raidian one have to stay on guard

[sly harness]

then it will depend a bit on Cannot rng

[pastel saffron]

to activate skill if he talisman u

[pastel saffron]

I assume depending on when he talisman roberta

[sly harness]

ypu want to wait for enmies to gather but if he cast immortality you will need to use it to survive

you can also pre cast it if you see Talismans apearing

[pastel saffron]

[sly harness]

Generally, understanding this part and adjusting to Cannot rng is the hardest part and in extremely bad cases it can cause some leaks

[pastel saffron]

I have done leakless entel raidian robs

I think I got this top

just need a bit of practice

thanks tho, placements are rhe hardest padt

part

[pastel saffron]

u can change format of videos to make them take less space

but if ur phone is not 256 gb yeah it's gonna be hard

[sly harness]

256... it is 128

I mean, I can record 480p... but it will be unwatchable

[pastel saffron]

in 30 fps mode at 1080p on H264 format it's 400mb for 5 mins roughly, for 1 hour that's like 4.8gb

hevc should be less, let me convert and see

u should assume for 1 run you need 6gb

if highest format

u can change fps too

I think lower fps is less space

[slate hull]

you can probably cast to your pc and then record on your pc, but I wouldn't know the best way to do that

[pastel saffron]

ok the same video lost 33% size

so with hevc for 1 hour run, at most you need 4gb I guess

at 1080p

if you 720p should be even lower

it should be doable unless ur phone is filled with gacha

[slate hull]

apparently you can use a flash drive with a phone, so that could also be an option assuming it lets you change the directory where it records

[paper notch]

bitrate is also a big factor to file size

uhhh

but you are using your phone's built in screen recorder

not sure if you can change bitrate

[uneven dew]

Omg I did it, this should make things much easier

The boss fight was ROUGH I lost 7 lives

Why does he suddenly do 2000 damage

[prime mountain]

When the summons kiss they blow up

And be wary of the ying/yang mechanic making him do more/less or take more/less damage from elements

[faint rampart]

im not even playing snipmed bro wtf

[prime mountain]

You are now!

[faint rampart]

medmed yes

[sly harness]

Holy highroll

I wonder whether in dlc1 it will be possible to get something like this consistently for f2 Bosky

[prime mountain]

Yeah cause you start with pre candled ops right? So you can just do e2 start pre candled

crazy

[sly harness]

but i will still need 2 Guard vochers

[prime mountain]

Simply get pre e2 voucher!

[sly harness]

and it can be problematic

[slate hull]

hour of sui kind of sucks, but that is a cracked start

[prime mountain]

Only need one

[lost flicker]

oh yeah, no hope gaming

here comes the robot

[prime mountain]

They're way better than the previous IS debuffs

[slate hull]

I think triangles is apparitions gets +30% hp and atk

[prime mountain]

When you're used to +50% sarkaz atk bro this is nothing

[slate hull]

oh

[faint rampart]

necrass

[prime mountain]

Wait bro drafted raidian in is3

this is the monthly

[faint rampart]

wait wtf is mapping target

[prime mountain]

Wtfart

[lost flicker]

I got hyped when the random character they gave me in the recruit vouchers was her

[prime mountain]

Oh she's temp its just cut off

[lost flicker]

my carry <3

[prime mountain]

She's dogshit outside of is6 though

20dp cost summons

[lost flicker]

that's true but I'm running low on lane holders

so she works until I can get one of my actual lane holder

[prime mountain]

All you have are lane holders in your team bro you need burst dps

[lost flicker]

cooked

[faint rampart]

s2 sleep gaming :ya:

[lost flicker]

Unless I get surtr I'm cooked cause her and hoshi are my normal dps

I usually recruit an exu but uhhhhhhhh

monthly :(

[prime mountain]

Surtr

as IS dps

???

Is this 2022

[slate hull]

you might need to borrow a guard

[lost flicker]

yes

I've only been playing for a month so I'm kinda lacking in the dps department

[faint rampart]

well they're already midrun and monthly ones shouldn't be that hard

[prime mountain]

Every single time man

[lost flicker]

have faith in my ability to flop <3

[slate hull]

okay, that explains it, we are getting a good guard in a few days, so that should help

[faint rampart]

keepyourselfsafe

[prime mountain]

John highroll strikes again!!!!!!!!!

[lost flicker]

skipping :D

[prime mountain]

Skipping for who?

[lost flicker]

the silverash and prim alters

[prime mountain]

Yeah you have enough time there's another banner in between

[lost flicker]

How long do banners last?

No idea how I could get that many pulls with only one banner in between

[prime mountain]

Well silverash limited is in 4 ish months I think?

3 maybe

You have plenty of time

[lost flicker]

oh neat

lmao wth

everyone is a laneholder now

[slate hull]

I think it is late April, so 3 months is about right

[lost flicker]

go my kroos

hold the line

[past canyon]

So like how do I beat this?

[prime mountain]

You level up your skill tree

and learn

but really, LEVEL UP YOUR SKILL TREE

[past canyon]

Even with powerhouses like Thorns E2 and WisAdel it just doesn't work.

[prime mountain]

Thorns

[past canyon]

On the lowest difficulty.

[prime mountain]

is not a powerhouse

He's ass

[past canyon]

for my standards

[prime mountain]

No bro

[past canyon]

i do not have better guards

[prime mountain]

If wishadel is SSS tier

[pastel saffron]

@sly harness when u e2 a guard f1, do u light them with a voucher in pf or smth?

[prime mountain]

he's f

[pastel saffron]

just had such strong deja vu for some reason

[prime mountain]

The strat for entel/leizi is mostly grab leizi as pre e2 and do the candlefight for her, then entel in bosky voucher

[past canyon]

I am leveling it, slowly but surely.

[faint rampart]

oka maybe he still works on low diffs and has dot
imagine left side ed2 with enough aspd🥹

[prime mountain]

Losing is fine in the meantime

you're expected

[past canyon]

So how long should it take me to get E2 Raidian then?

[lost flicker]

Raidian my beloved

[prime mountain]

Depends on your units, could you send roster screenshot rq

[past canyon]

Not even taking module into account for this one, I am NOT beating higher difficulties.

[sly harness]

Pathfinder fight for Leizi (you can also try rolling 3 guard vochers f1...)

[past canyon]

Okaaaaay.. Lemme get it rq.

[pastel saffron]

I mean yeah I was thinking if I do pf fight I cant use my conserved vouchers until f3

[prime mountain]

Not a problem, entel leizi is all you need for bosky

[sly harness]

you get Ente when entering f2 Bosky

[placid spindle]

ange s3m3 needed or is sl7 fine

[prime mountain]

Its never needed but helps a lot

[sly harness]

if you don't have 2 guards vouchers.... you need to cope a lot (you will probably die)

[prime mountain]

Consider skipping all bosky if you dont

tbh

Better than coping f3 bosky in my experience

[placid spindle]

oko ill scrape tgther the mats

[past canyon]

I have a LOT of 5stars, but I only really use the ones I like or the ones that r useful.

And no, I do not commonly use Vigil.

I just upgraded him cuz why not.

[lost flicker]

nevermind the run died I got blown up

[sly harness]

i mean i would still go through f3 Bosky (i need those Candles, 23 or nothing) but i would cope f4 entry

[lost flicker]

rewards obtained though so we're chillin

[prime mountain]

Ok so Imma be real, you prob shouldnt bother with IS with a roster like this

it WILL be painful

[past canyon]

yeah
i kinda figured

But like.

[faint rampart]

no way it was you all along, you're even known in #help now

[prime mountain]

?

What is help yapping about again

[past canyon]

I dunno. I lowkey need Raidian's S3 cuz some of the enemies in story as just too annoying to deal with.

She can carry in some stages with S2, but the setup needed is just ridiculous.

[prime mountain]

Just be patient and keep building your units, prob stop half building 5* they're mostly kinda wasteful

[prime mountain]

Yeah cause's shes meant to be used with her is6 buffs

outside of that she's gimmicky

[lost flicker]

for IS6, I just borrow exu alter and used Raidian S2 and S1 to carry me all the way up to difficulty level 5

[past canyon]

Yeah I'm probably gonna focus on Nymph and Eyja tbh.

[faint rampart]

tldr newbies shouldn't do IS something something , no big deal

[prime mountain]

Did bro go to #help instead to keep coping

[faint rampart]

:reallyMad:

[past canyon]

Is it just widely accepted that #help is for the desperate or for metaslaves?

[prime mountain]

Yes

Very much so

[faint rampart]

bro actually seeming more like mika student than cube's student now😢

[past canyon]

figured

[past canyon]

that
sounds possible

I can actually borrow an Exu Alter from a person.

But I'd need luck to get Raidian herself.

ALSO.

[lost flicker]

I always run the first one that lets you recruit a vangaurd, sniper, and specialist. Then I run Courier, Kroos (the 3*), and Exu Alter

[past canyon]

Do I need a higher difficulty or sum? I tried doing these stuff, but the counter doesn't move up at all, even when I had Raidian for the entire run.

[prime mountain]

Tour 1 or above

reading smh

[faint rampart]

wait that might be something else mb

[lost flicker]

There's a setup you can do with Raidian S2 and Exu that let's you just DPS burst the final boss

[past canyon]

Yeah well uhh it says "guided tour 1" and the lowest difficulty is literally called "guided tour" so I was confused.

[lost flicker]

Oh I didn't have E2 Raidian for beating the guided tour 0

[prime mountain]

Guided tour is the name for difficulty, its a bit confusing

[lost flicker]

E1 is strong enough to get you through guided tour 1 anyway

You just need to get some good dps collectibles for exu

[paper notch]

guy came to help and complained about being recommended to rush raidian e2 asap for a new account. bro figured out that is6 was hard and said that recommending new players to play is6 is bad and #help did a bad thing. I go back and search up his convos in help and no one told him to do that. he also said he asked here and got some responses to not even bother with IS

[past canyon]

I need whatever you're smoking, 'cause it clearly would help.

[prime mountain]

Yeah average reading comprehension is non existent moment

[lost flicker]

Lemme see if I can find the video I used

[faint rampart]

there's tragodia+ frd stall too iirc... should work (?)

[prime mountain]

Ok guys which leisure is ingots

Ok I die

[past canyon]

Wow, a gamemode where it is highly recommended to use E2 units and the game itself literally allows you to do it, being hard? Nahh, totally a newbie gamemode..

[paper notch]

which did you choose?

[prime mountain]

Bottom left

Dead run anyway, too many nodes just wasted on nothing

Like I had concentricity encounter (without raidian, fight is impossible)

[paper notch]

i was thinking bottom right

[prime mountain]

then godsend with all the ingots I needed for ed2

Then a forced shop (I robbed already) before pathfind

its cooked

[paper notch]

😭

[faint rampart]

highrolls for this🚬

[past canyon]

Actually.

What units should I E2 first? Talking about the 6stars here btw. And yes, I could make use of Nymph S3 with Philae, since I use her as a defender anyway.

[slate hull]

robbed shop should function like safe house, just sit and chill, it would at least be something

[placid spindle]

is concentricity the one with the under the tides nervouse mobs

[prime mountain]

Nymph for sure, good unit

[prime mountain]

Its the map with the pre placed raidian summons

Its like, hardest map in the game without raidian

[sly harness]

the Raidian fight? gvg is quite good in it

[prime mountain]

Easy af with

[placid spindle]

ah

[prime mountain]

How

Pls teach

[paper notch]

the general recommendation for new player nowadays is to do monthly squads and if they can cheese is5 with wisadel. also you dont really need many e2s for low difficulty IS which is what unironically most of the community plays and might struggle with

[past canyon]

that is
quite funny to think about

[placid spindle]

theres also a progression guide made by cube linked in pins for leveling ur raidian

[sly harness]

Ente takes one of the sides, gummy/other melee body with Ente S2 (+optionaly sustain takes ither). Leizi solves most of the middle. Should be ~4 leaks or less

[prime mountain]

Well guess I'm trying that next time

[sly harness]

Agent/some source of DP is very helpful becouse this satge opens very fast

[paper notch]

are you leaking golems?

[prime mountain]

Middle is what I was worried about but ig leizi covers it pretty well

[sly harness]

if you get it f3 most likely

you can stun/frighten/roberta lock them for some time

but you will need some damage to kill them

[past canyon]

One last question: should I E2 Exusiai? People kept saying she's an okay unit, but like, I rarely find any use for her even in stages with aerial enemies(Eyja and Nymph just AoE them into oblivion).

[prime mountain]

She fell off big, you have nymph for ranged damage and honestly for new players, I would recommend just building kroos alter instead

Cheaper and does the same job if not better

[past canyon]

Got it.

Alr, thanks for the tips I guess.

[prime mountain]

Withdraw 12 route?

Withdraw 12 then blow up cause I cant get a second guard pre rob

👍

[sly harness]

There I have some screen from one of the clears of this stage

[faint rampart]

ignited beast doesn't seem that broken unless you're maledicting

[prime mountain]

Cause I messed up and didnt greed one chest

[prime mountain]

Its like one extra bosky of value troughout a run

Thats pretty good

[faint rampart]

it only gives+1 on entering no?

[sly harness]

Remember 2 + 3 or nothing

[prime mountain]

Yeah that

[sly harness]

On each entry

So you can even pivot f1 entry just for that

[prime mountain]

Yeah I was gonna say it makes f1 enter not terrible

[faint rampart]

yeah and he enters on f4...

[prime mountain]

Not always

it depends!

[faint rampart]

wha

[prime mountain]

This is one of those cases where you would want to enter as often as possible

[remote badger]

hi goobers

[sly harness]

Just enter on each floor

[prime mountain]

But this is a reset tbh shop refresh was ass Im just not feeling it

[faint rampart]

leizi+ente strong enough for bosky i guess

[prime mountain]

Yep borken combo

[faint rampart]

that you can enter f1 and not be wasting 2-3 candles

[prime mountain]

I mean even if you waste 2

with beastike thats same as just

entering f2 regular

So at worse you just get nothing more

at best it works out

[faint rampart]

hmmm i see, reasonable

[sly harness]

Easier then I expected

+30% stats hour

[prime mountain]

The humble sui's balance:

[sly harness]

Still quite a low roll. I should have much more at this point

[slate hull]

you got mother cauldron on f3

[prime mountain]

I smell a path locked behind leisure

[slate hull]

is it random when the collectible triggers? because I had some very long gambling sessions that never gave me anything

[prime mountain]

I mean its a gamble node

what do you expect

[sly harness]

Totally random

I once got 3 stacks from like 30 Ingits

And another time 4 from 200 Ingots

Now we can start the run (I could have picked the +10% stats per Candelguest... But I was scared of + DP in f2 Bosky...)

Also I love the pool of boss collectibles...

[prime mountain]

What is raidian console doing here bruh

Things you like to see

[faint rampart]

literally the shit i get everytime...

things you like to see(2)

[remote badger]

stir fry

[sly harness]

I like my low rolls, winning them is more interesting

[faint rampart]

^same person who has been highrolling whole day

[sly harness]

i am playing second Shen-Chu run in the row

it really is high roll...

Degen S3 vs Dog, great matchup

[faint rampart]

weiqi chance taker btw

oof replied to the wrong, but yeah shen chu

[faint rampart]

oh my god

this squad is such a scam

[sly harness]

This EM...

[prime mountain]

Dragon hits as hard as ed2 bro, dusk is not happy

[severe oasis]

free does not fuck around

[prime mountain]

mhmmm hoshi gonna like this

[pastel saffron]

I only got it once on d15

I had the drafts of my life

wis exia and hoshi

together they destroyed free

[prime mountain]

H O L Y F U C K the duck with stronger miniboss coin is ZOOMING

[pastel saffron]

the harder part for me was the exploding enemies atp

[prime mountain]

HE JUST ZOOMING

Oh recording broke fuck

[sly harness]

Time to die...

[pastel saffron]

how do u reach boss with barely 5 e2s on ur name

oh wait 4* are e2

[prime mountain]

This is how...

Bro greeded

[sly harness]

ass vochers

nah lei fa

[prime mountain]

Oh bruh

[pastel saffron]

this relic is so useless to me coz I never promote thru combat

[prime mountain]

Shrimply get leifa coin

[pastel saffron]

oh wow u can promote how many ops with liefa

I think I got it once and never again

[prime mountain]

One per fight

!

[pastel saffron]

oh and it turns rusty after toss?

and not after use

that sounds good

[sly harness]

it dosn't

it is limit less

but you need to toss it

[pastel saffron]

coupon sweep

it sounds worth it tho

40% attack oer stack no joke

can turn the tide of the run

[prime mountain]

And extra dp + redeployment time

it good

[pastel saffron]

btw what a4e the chances hg introduces a feature where u can unbuild ur ops and get atleast some mats back if not all of them

[prime mountain]

never

[gaunt bay]

Rose and furrilo

[severe oasis]

kiwi

[gaunt bay]

Hi cutie

[severe oasis]

hiya

[gaunt bay]

Oh hey there Alyssal

[prime mountain]

Omg kiwi!!!!

Im sorry kiwi I folded and paid for ange on endfield 🥀

[pastel saffron]

wow, I think u can do it in nikke

rip

[gaunt bay]

How much

[prime mountain]

Like 60$ bought monthly, bp and some packs

[gaunt bay]

Wait is her banner out

[prime mountain]

Yeah

[slate hull]

unbuilding ops would be so goofy because there is an entire screen where they thank you for promoting them

[gaunt bay]

Cool

[slate hull]

I think changing skill levels would be interesting, but a full unbuild is too much

[prime mountain]

Every player on their way to e2 amiya and then demote her just for story

[severe oasis]

i would immediately unbuild wisadel

[prime mountain]

Oh but this would mean you could unbuild all of your old units, yeah aint no way

never happening

think of the lmd return

[gaunt bay]

Nop medimiya broken

:realmad:

[runic mantle]

real question is there a real different between canta and surfer

[slate hull]

not really, the most common sentiment I see is to use whoever has higher pot

[gaunt bay]

Surfer is objectively better

But it’s not by much

[slate hull]

of course s2 is different and Surfer's talent means she gets a bit of extra dp early, but there is not really a massive difference between having one or the other

[gaunt bay]

Canta has a niche benefit with s2 synergy with exu2

[slate hull]

canta s2 is pretty good if you stack a bunch of ammo relics

[gritty mason]

what happens if i choose these in is5?

downtime regulation node

[arctic panther]

so bring both

[woven prism]

(playing at d10) Any tips for consistently clearing the Probable Divergence stage in IS-5? It's the one with a bunch of big taran demolitionists clearing rubble at the top while two of every animal file into your objective point from the other two lanes. I've lost a few runs that I thought I was sitting comfortably in, I've seen some ppl mention some maps were designed to try and compete with walter - I've been trying to avoid walter every run, any advice on what generally works for ppl would be terrific.

[sly harness]

This is generally a very difficult stage that requires specific compositions

Among the very helpful units we have things like Kroos alter who can reliably cc enmies in the middle, Rosmontis who will block most enmies with her pillars, Hoe who can hold the top (in a Lamp run)

When it comes to general strategies, you usually want to open the top line and place somethink tanky there

Hoe, Ulpianus, Rosmo pilars, Mon3tr (will need Archetto to charge her)

[woven prism]

great tips I'm missing most suggested ops but definitely looked over recruiting mon3tr when she could've saved it, appreciate having a plan going forward thanks

[slate hull]

interesting, I can't find much on s2, but if you compare s1 Surfer and Cantabile get the same numbers when not blocking (with Surfer getting early dp faster) and when they are blocking Surfer comes out on top because Canta's talent relies on not blocking anybody

[inland elbow]

am I insane what stage is he talking about

[sly harness]

Frequent Dispute

[inland elbow]

I thought so, but the animal thing threw me off

[woven prism]

sorry I was just making a joke, I thought the name was probable divergence ><

[inland elbow]

I wonder if d10 might actually have a different strat to deal with it

since the demolishers will take too long to kill top blocks

but yeah chris, it depends a lot on what strategy you're using

lukas's advice works well though

[inland elbow]

you lose hope, but there is a % chance of different outcomes

idk the exact percentages

but I think the outcomes are ingots (7 I think), a random relic, or the option to enter a fight

or nothing at all

[woven prism]

random thought also

[inland elbow]

oh whoops forgot the thought yeah

I think 2 hope has better odds of entering the fight and higher tier thoughts

idk if collectible quality changes

it's a good node if you're willing to spam like 20 hope into it

to get the fight

the rat is super troll though since sometimes you just never roll it

[sly harness]

In a row... Time to explode in ed2 again

[inland elbow]

nah bro it's over for you if you lose with that

[sly harness]

[inland elbow]

nvm you have an excuse

[gaunt bay]

[slate hull]

what kind of bosky is this? all the turmoils must be in one corner

[gritty mason]

thanks ended up doing it just wanted to make sure it wasnt a forced battle since it was right before boss

[inland elbow]

it's a really easy fight dw

literally just have ops who hit air

[prime mountain]

What the fuck is a fight 🔥

[prime mountain]

Is huh, is this synergy?

[ionic cradle]

Somewhatttt

[prime mountain]

Oh

Surely not right

I like how you post one pic and I immediately understand the context

[ionic cradle]

But you can just basically do that to a fattened dp fast rd

[slate hull]

hear me out, coin geists, get 30+ dp on a frd and then stun everything

until you run out of dp after 3 deployments

[prime mountain]

I like your thinking

Coin geist meta!!!

what do you mean my leizi costs 30 dp

[slate hull]

wait, what if waai fu dp refund mod

[ionic cradle]

At the same time it's gonna shit on you for certain Hit-activation enemies

[prime mountain]

Oh my god tech

[ionic cradle]

Unless you have wis wis

[prime mountain]

It can clear all the chests on this map!!!

Huge tech

mhmm I actually have to think

Last node of the bosky and I only really need ingots for ed2 so

Prob just a take?

Surely I just roll garisson farm again right?

I forgor

[sinful sparrow]

Wtf degen

:terampreg:

[prime mountain]

Its f2 and I got like 10 hope from garisson farm already

We just draft

[ionic cradle]

Hit activated sheeps

[sinful sparrow]

Omg garrison the f6 map

[prime mountain]

Huh

Goated f3

Stonks (?)

[sinful sparrow]

mom

Furrilo is highrolling again

[gaunt bay]

when is he ever not

[prime mountain]

bruh

[sinful sparrow]

:FurnacesFinale:

[prime mountain]

Wait, fire poking stick counts necrosis damage as being damage from the operator

So each tick of necrosis deals 50% of nymph's attack as arts damage as well

huh

Holy nian keep cooking, all this with 100 ingots

[sinful sparrow]

so we agree that we kill u now

yes?

[prime mountain]

Yep this is giga highroll

Didnt roll the coupon coin on 8 statuegeist map though 🥀

almost

Its my last node!!!

The greed pays off

[sly harness]

I won

[prime mountain]

Good player

[sly harness]

Bells is the best damage collectible (others just don't exist in my runs)

[prime mountain]

Im trying to use degen s3 to pull the drunk guys into holes for that one map and she just one shots them

Does this proc blossom?

[stray dove]

didn't someone share here that for that map

[prime mountain]

Erh sorry, unleashings

[stray dove]

the durins just yeet themselves to the holes

you just need to kill the cars

[prime mountain]

Prob but also I have 150 ingots already and nothing to spend on...

[stray dove]

i'm guessing the run is such a gigaroll that Grudgebearers all going towards exit in the 1st second is not an issue?

[prime mountain]

Its right before boss

And yeah

it wouldnt be an issue either way

Mfw 50 relics

[stray dove]

it should

go for it

and find out

[prime mountain]

Im definitely gonna reroll like crazy on f6 to find out

Wait, fucking ed3 bleed procs unleashings? aintnoway

Holy broken relics

[stray dove]

damn!

ok noted

unleashing is top tier

[prime mountain]

Unleashings SSS tier

Actually

[stray dove]

in ed3 relics

[prime mountain]

You go for ed3 every run so

gg

[sly harness]

you should be able to get 30 Ingots if you just destroy the cars

max is 75

[stray dove]

ah

[prime mountain]

This is always ankward, woops no 50% dmg

[gritty mason]

recommended squad choice for is5 (the one you pick at the start)?

[heavy pumice]

sniper med
wisadel/rosmontis start

[prime mountain]

Yeah that and just use lamp to get broken relics

check pins for how it works

[gritty mason]

not the actual squad i meant like "collection squad" like that stuff

idk which to take

[prime mountain]

Yeah thats sniper med

to do flinger comp

Squads in is5 are only as good as the units you run them with

[gritty mason]

ohhh okay ive been taking that i thought there was better choice

I found this comment from like a mod here is this accurate

Blueprint for the unskilled
Collections for the skilled < D16
Ingots > D16

[prime mountain]

Is rechord spreading misinfo again

smh

Also this looks like a talons list

not lamp

[heavy pumice]

huh?
what that?
lol rechord behaviour

ohh yeah blueprint to speed run IS
talon for who love to make things harder for themselve

[stray dove]

the fuck...

collections

i get blueprint

but ingots on a non-talons, what

whats the fucking collections for?

[prime mountain]

yeah this prob lacks context

For sure

[sly harness]

collection is the second best "Talons" Squad

although it is also played fated less

[stray dove]

I'd sooner recommend just BP and the best non-BP lamp squad (snipermed) than ever bring up any talons squads

cause if they're asking

that means they're asking for easier clears

STOP

[sly harness]

Well true, collection is definitely not something I would recommend.

[stray dove]

DON'T RESOLVE COMBAT IN IS RIGHT NOW

[sinful sparrow]

collections when they don’t get pen/commandments

😢

[stray dove]

tthere's login error I'm getting

weird.

is there supposedly an update I'm missing?

ok got to login again

so it might not have been a widespread issue

but being kicked out of the server is rare af

[sly harness]

Now I am high-rolling

[sinful sparrow]

i hope u dont find ed2

💢

[sly harness]

Nah I am wasting Candles in Turmoils... I guess it's time to go to sleep

[remote badger]

why out of sudden these goobers highrolling

its so

its so uh

mpreg

[faint rampart]

you can also highroll if you stop endfielding

[echo peak]

Do I have to fight Big sad lock before I can fight the mouthpiece on the same run?

[stray dove]

i mean

did you unlock BSL's route while doing Ed3 routing?

[chrome tangle]

ED3/ED4 is after the Floor 5 boss

[echo peak]

Yeah I just beat BSL

[sinful sparrow]

yep its 🫃

[quick pond]

Grinding to get 3 Legged Fowl is so mind numbing😭
Why are the only runs where I get Li'uer I don't get Legend Amber💀

[remote badger]

lazy

[faint rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1173925642102902864.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=ReallyNah

[cursive crown]

Do i need to unluck all of them or just 1 line

[placid spindle]

youll get all of them eventually, but the other two arent that useful imo just keep progressing further and circle back when u have excess

[rough kindle]

back to hibernation

[tacit garnet]

hmm i am wondering why there are only 5 Integrated Strategies if Sui's Garden is IS6?

[woeful anchor]

the first IS is a temporary event

[rough kindle]

[woeful anchor]

just like the first RA is a temporary event

people liked it so they made IS2 a permanent event

[tacit garnet]

ahh ok 👍

[woeful anchor]

dw u didnt miss anything all of the content in IS1 are in IS2 or IS3 stages

👍

[tacit garnet]

i just discovered there were older IS and now i am doing those monthly quests xd

[woeful anchor]

glhf :ya:

[forest flicker]

What actually effects when I can/can't see what's in a node?

[placid spindle]

progress the node before, theres lines connecting the map

also raidian with some proficiencies can reveal a node everytime you enter the bosky

as for whats inside... its rng minus a couple exceptions

[forest flicker]

oh no I mean like the green text at the right

some runs I can see what retrieve is gonna do some runs I can't, is it one of those perma buff effects the skill tree?

[placid spindle]

hmm idk the answer to that, i would assume its like a rng thing

[forest flicker]

ah wait no I've been using Special Squad Raidian

[faint rampart]

are you confusing retrieve with legend

[forest flicker]

nah I was asking about this text

[faint rampart]

[placid spindle]

is the other retrieve node the same

[forest flicker]

I think it was ingots

[placid spindle]

well i have no clue

but free sht is free sht

[faint rampart]

aren't retrieve node details always given.... unless im brainrotted

[forest flicker]

Idts??

[faint rampart]

wha

[forest flicker]

I've only been doing like 3 IS runs a month since I get level capped and stop

[faint rampart]

bros gonna make me schizo too, lemme just check on a bad acc

info about retrieve is still available

[pastel saffron]

retrieve is always there

I think after dlc 1 u can even see whats in trade shop

[faint rampart]

:reallyMad: almost made me think that its not unlocked or something

[split void]

Kinda lazy not reading all Lin talent, but is this skill 2 better against left side Ed2 is6 ?

[pastel saffron]

[pastel saffron]

if u click this button it will appear btw

[split void]

I don't wanna can't read

Kinda off topic but yesterday I failed this SSS stage

In this image

There are 2 DOT op there and this is not CM

Ok , maybe thorns should be 1 title to the left

[pastel saffron]

if u want her to do hitcount s2 would be better because of aspd

[pastel saffron]

what the f

jusy have lappland with 5 sniper

[split void]

You could see my op there, what is best for left side

[pastel saffron]

and yu with 5 vanguard

thats all you need

[pastel saffron]

maybe lin + lapluma + raidian summon for help

ines s3 can also help

[split void]

Kk. Will try. In my run so far I always skip left side

[split void]

Crab I lost

I guess skip the left side is always good, but well 14 HP

[quick pond]

Can I encounter Liuer in Floor 5?

[remote badger]

ed2?

[split void]

Yes ?

[remote badger]

if so the left side is actually -17

[split void]

I said the HP that I had

[remote badger]

wel

enjoy managing left side

[split void]

-# But I thought it was 19 btw

[remote badger]

as it have only like spearheads

and the ones that spawns more spearheads when dies

[split void]

What is the best OP to deal with them in general
I have Ente and Ascalon S2 in my head

[remote badger]

yep thats right

hol up

nvm

[analog rampart]

Just have a run where my dps is using a gatling gun against the boss

[remote badger]

average chalice run

or stove alright

[analog rampart]

I forgot what relic is it but every 7 I got I got a free attack speed... And I have 150

[remote badger]

golden chalice

[analog rampart]

It's fun ngl

My Ella is using all of her bullet on 1 trap trigger

[pastel saffron]

you need reliable solvers for left

entelechia can solo left

u can borrow her at start

other options are angelina, asca, yato

they can all work together

or require some help

leizi s3 is also kind of reliable

[rotund copper]

Does this have a limit?

[split void]

No

But the amount of battles have a limit

That is the point

[split void]

Actually I was on friend account. Only D3 there

But his account is not good at all

After all left side is still left side

[rotund copper]

[earnest shuttle]

this would be more effective when doing solo clear run

[faint rampart]

time to make you my fren, surely you will help me do is3🥹

[pastel saffron]

IS3 is very easy at D7

you shouldnt have problem at all

with all 4 endings infact

I would argue if you were to compare it to d10 IS6, ed2 and ed3 are harder

even ed1 IS6 is harder than ed1 IS3

Wisadel can nuke whole IS3 until nth left

[faint rampart]

huh why d7 particularly

[faint rampart]

i guess... idk anything about it so~
just wanted to bully red

[pastel saffron]

coz IS2/IS3 D7 = Other IS D10

apparently

[earnest shuttle]

also max score multiply in Bp

[faint rampart]

so just farm rewards

[earnest shuttle]

Yea u can stop at d7 if you just want to farm bp

[pastel saffron]

bro its so easy with wisadel u can solo atleast till f4 without leaks

on f5 there are some maps where u want some more units but wisadel and tragodia giga solve the mode

I reckon at d7 I can win with just trag + wis + ines

or wis + exia + ines

[pastel saffron]

infact someone solo d9 IS3 with

lunacub I think(?)

Its piss at D7

with modern units esp

even back in came out u would use horn + texas and win so easily

[earnest shuttle]

@night yoke

[faint rampart]

i wouldn't need to play for rewards, its for fun :ya:

[pastel saffron]

wow u maxed without medal

insane

[faint rampart]

hmmm glad to know, idk how much of that changes on d15

[earnest shuttle]

Last one medal usually the run with free op from bp reward

[pastel saffron]

d18 actually

yeah d18 is a different world

I'd say its hardest IS at d18

maybe you could argue about IS5 being harder

[faint rampart]

(it wasnt me)

[faint rampart]

uh oh

[pastel saffron]

but I personally think IS3 is hardest

Like I can do 235 d18 IS5

but even 13 in IS3 is fucking scary

[sly harness]

4?

[faint rampart]

the only playable difficulty or i would get bullied by mika😢

[pastel saffron]

I don't have much quilon solve, need to build silence

will try it once I do

Mon3tr jump is too much calculation

this aint cc

[sly harness]

okey but 235 is super easy

like 4 makes IS5 hard

[pastel saffron]

true

[earnest shuttle]

with lamp or no lamp

[sly harness]

withou it it is piss

[sly harness]

you can just eyeball it

[pastel saffron]

would you say 245 lamp with a good comp like snipermedic/gvg/soul escort is harder than IS3 24 or 23

I personally think IS3 ed 1/2 aren't big issues it's the f6 fights that are haunting

The only reason I am not sure is because ed4 is like solved with weedy + ange so consistently

If anything you look at how many players have beaten d18 245

I am certain there will be more people

than who have done a f6 fight in IS3 d18

[sly harness]

(I did it quite successfully, the eyeball boat jump) remember what the reference graphics look like and don't collect any movement speed modifiers

[pastel saffron]

When i finally start looking into IS5 after being done with IS4

I'll see how doable it is for me

maybe its not that hard after all

[sly harness]

I would say that it was mainly because a lot more people were learning IS5, I think it was the most popular edition when it comes to hardcore gaming

and the most accessible guides about it have been created

[rotund copper]

This dumb fucking chest oh my god

[sly harness]

others ISes were not as well documented in places accessible to a larger number of people

[faint rampart]

texalt

[night yoke]

Yes?

[earnest shuttle]

You're the one doing solo clear with Lunacub right ?

[night yoke]

Yup, it’s me

[earnest shuttle]

[night yoke]

[faint rampart]

now do IS6 one too

wait nvm kein already did something similar with kroos

[night yoke]

I did clear IS245 with Lunacub only

At low D tho

pure RNG gamin

[faint rampart]

still impressive considering higher diffs just mess up alot of things

[night yoke]

Yeah

[rotund copper]

have to deploy her like 3-4 times

Is there any is3 Speedrun guide

I just want rewards

[night yoke]

U just want reward?

[rotund copper]

ye

[night yoke]

D7, pick an op unit

Then go as far as you can

[rotund copper]

[rotund copper]

What squad

[night yoke]

I dun really remember

The 1st iirc