is-station

[open finch]

[pastel saffron]

wait was pozy s2 used somewhere btw

[open finch]

Symbiosis

[sonic sable]

Ok uhh this map gets chaotic if u cant kill the casters soon

[inland elbow]

You e1 pozy started

So you had to know how to use pozy s2 until like f4

[carmine token]

[open finch]

Simpler times

Now you e1 exu start and stomp all

No timing required

[carmine token]

meta

[sonic sable]

En still thinks wisadel better than exu tbh

[open finch]

Goofy ahh

[sonic sable]

Camo

[carmine token]

exu2 is better then wis 🥹

[sonic sable]

!!

[open finch]

Wisadel clearly too weak, need IS module to reduce dp cost to 11, initial sp to 4 and skill cycle to 25s

Ty

[carmine token]

when my wis dies cuz she got hit by aoe that hit her summon

[open finch]

Happens to everyone once on mechanical menace

Rite of passage

[carmine token]

exu has no issues like that ❗

[sonic sable]

Happened to me on garrison

[pastel saffron]

It depends on situation more like

[sonic sable]

Another argument was high def and wis having higher dph

[carmine token]

ursus drone

[inland elbow]

Known high defence targets in is3 like

[open finch]

I mean the aoe can be better

But wisadel occupies this strange zone where she can kinda shit on medium mobs

Once you reach omega hp again then it's lemuen

[inland elbow]

Currently there's a cn is3 tournament which gives you points based on how you clear izumik

Acid cancel is lowest, then push, then tank, then no feed iirc

[pastel saffron]

wow tank

[open finch]

The magical 6op relicless no feed surely

[pastel saffron]

so luck

[open finch]

(been in the works for like 4 months xdd)

[carmine token]

lee meta ❗

[inland elbow]

And because no feed is hard incentivised, the players start people squad wis

Because you need a shit ton of extra hope

And you need wis for izumik no feed

[pastel saffron]

wow wis start over exia

[inland elbow]

Because you badly want wis+lemuen

[pastel saffron]

ohhh

u need sniper voucher

[open finch]

I swear people wis start is actually dogshit

But ppl keep doing it

[inland elbow]

It is

[carmine token]

pre e2 wis is ass

[pastel saffron]

that one stage with levitating enemy is so piss with wis

[inland elbow]

But in this case the logic makes sense

[open finch]

Zero ground presence goofy ahh randomly dies to f3

[inland elbow]

Since you have to force no feed

These mfs keep losing knight though

[open finch]

I was gonna say no feed doesn't take wis

[inland elbow]

Because people squad wis start is PISS

[open finch]

But the ops it takes are even more goofy

So I guess fine

[open finch]

People squad being too slow showing

[inland elbow]

What was the dudes proposed draft

[inland elbow]

They can't greed encounters as hard as e2 start too

[pastel saffron]

after no feeding izumik is easy enough that u can just kill it right

[open finch]

It's some form of karlan core with phantom weedy

[inland elbow]

Saw a few of these guys just pass up encounters for ems

And combats

[pastel saffron]

me core

[inland elbow]

Because you need early vouchers

[open finch]

I forgot specifics but I just remember asking him how he plans on winning f5

And he said I lose

[inland elbow]

Lmao

[carmine token]

:joyplush:

[inland elbow]

Pram is really broken yeah

I tried out grinding relicless no feed with a human comp

My conclusion is that it's not practical

You need relics

[open finch]

Kinda how it goes

Lemuen gets out scaled by exponential technology

[inland elbow]

Wis and lem with no relics is goober stuff

[pastel saffron]

I wish they kinda add new relics to old IS too, like IS6 ammo relics in IS3 woukd be bonkers

[open finch]

I mean the big problem with people oriented is f4 emergency/wonderland if you don't find safehouse or shop

It's just too slow

[empty gulch]

i cant believe i finally got this map

[inland elbow]

I'd rather they not because there's a ton of swingy relics in later IS

Is3 having only like 3 cheesy relics is enough

[pastel saffron]

which ones?

[inland elbow]

Flashing swords, old fan, fincatchers shawl

[inland elbow]

Tbh I think f3 is the big problem

[open finch]

Flames of inquisition hello

[inland elbow]

Because in theory you should get an e2 by f4

But f3 it's pretty common to end up there with like 4 e1

[open finch]

(randomly die to ooc)

But we just don't get ooc because we're good

[inland elbow]

And then you get em vortex and wwd

[pastel saffron]

I rmb keeping ops lose sp on deploy just to get more from swords 😭

[inland elbow]

Or nest

Or looking forward

[open finch]

Actually true

[pastel saffron]

bro nest is so bad

I hate nest

[open finch]

Then you eat shit from the most random of maps

[inland elbow]

You get to discover the joy of em trog tribe kicking your shit in

[open finch]

Nest actually final boss when your ground presence is bad

[carmine token]

skillfully get it then die on stage cuz im ass

[pastel saffron]

Also there is a map with originium guys coming from bottom red box, a similar map like that but flowers spawn

I used trag s3 there lwk kinda worked great

[pastel saffron]

Nest is my run killer lol

I leak sm on nest

coz my drafts are all ranged

actually after hoshi draft

I survived nest

[open finch]

Precarious defense is also kinda nontrivial

[inland elbow]

I'm pretty down on flames ngl

[pastel saffron]

but otherwise cooked

[inland elbow]

The hard maps don't have seaborn

Except for izumik

[open finch]

I HATE flat bleed

Goofy design

[inland elbow]

It's strong but it's like A tier strong

Whereas shawl is run winning

[carmine token]

exploding with shawl is just skill issue

[open finch]

Idk, shawl doesn't help in statcheck maps

You still eat shit to ember phalanx

[dusk creek]

yeah I don't see flames being that good en route but if you have it you can just fuck around in izumik

[open finch]

Only hatred on my heart for ember phalanx

[inland elbow]

I mean you don't get goobed by mantas

[dusk creek]

so it's funny the guys who ran so far both had it

[inland elbow]

Which is pretty good positioning wise

[open finch]

Mantas don't kill u in phalanx tho

[inland elbow]

If you have 0 cc that can reach them they troll tf out of you

[pastel saffron]

ember phalanx is actually not that bad after exia, I usually draft ines so ember phalanx is trivial

the biggest problem is manta from top, but lemon can solve thatbif u have her, or wis

[inland elbow]

Shawl helps a ton on ooc

[pastel saffron]

Like for f5 the stage with multiple lanes is harder than ember

[inland elbow]

Since if you fail the stat check your ops don't just die

And then wfu

And knight and izumik

[open finch]

I just got a ghost ping from bait even though I literally am reading this channel where bait pings

Pretty cool app tbh

[pastel saffron]

phone app still better than pc

my pc app gets corrupyed randomly on a tuesday

so I have to reinstall ts

🚮

[carmine token]

Mantras are so ass with no cc

[pastel saffron]

I love tragodia

[open finch]

Tragodia/phantom give me aids cuz you can always use em better

Generally if they don't work in a stage it's not because they don't work it's because I'm shit

[lost anchor]

rightmost is the high rewards in face off? just trynna make sure

[sly harness]

Yes but not necessarily the best in IS6. The pools for each tier are quite different here

[pastel saffron]

but u still win

my first time trying trag on last knight

dookiest cat placements u can imagine

but still no diff bro

[lost anchor]

icic

how would the lower tiers be better

[pastel saffron]

they should pin face off text too

Can this be pinned @low vortex?

just like how u made hyperlink for uhh the encounter

stamp collection encounter

[lost anchor]

interesting so if I'm missing the good coins, left ones might be better

what is this steady stream btw

[sly harness]

f1 (apparently also f2) Bear encounter stage

[tacit garnet]

Finally... I cant believe how difficult scroll of scars is. Took me like 10 hours to do it 3 times. But now i have raidian s3m3 :D

[gaunt bay]

Time to move to microsoft teams

[astral epoch]

Who's key units for ed3

[sly harness]

Leizi or Hoshi alter. Both help to trivialise the prereq stage that can be problematic without any of them and helps a lot with opening ed3 fight itself

For healing you can use Purestream, she is the low budget option but without collectibles she can work poorly. Haruka is the best option

For lane holding you will want 2 good range damage dealers (or 1 if you play with Raidian), there are not enough range tiles for more.

The best options for that position are (Exu alter, Narantuya, Wisadel, Logos, Angelina)

[astral epoch]

Angelina?

[sly harness]

Yep Angelina with her IS module is very strong in IS in general

In IS6 she is good against hit count stuff and with many available SP ralted collectibles her skill uptime is really great

And rest of the lane holding will need to be done by melee units

Ambushers (Mizuki and Ascalon are the best)

And other useful stuff would be: Agent for DP printing, 5* Surfer or Canta are the recommended options, but you can also use Ines (with S3) her invisibility reveal can also help to easily prevent some leaks but it is not necessary

And blocker for the boss (best options are Gummy or Amiya guard) but if you draft Hoshi alter you can also use her for that

Yato alter is also a comfortable addition. If you scale high enough she will easily clear all balls and allow you to skip the second phase of the boss

And this will be all

[astral epoch]

[river maple]

Got someone strong with the "get an automatically promoted 6 star" item

[noble orbit]

Like this?

[stray dove]

oh the Seal relics

[river maple]

So yeah, got to try out Gavial alter-

(Don't know if you can send multiple images in the server soo ye lol)

[sly harness]

If anyone is interested in any numbers or stages added in the second expansion of IS6, tomimi has just been updated

[sonic sable]

Is6 u mean

[astral epoch]

what skills does mizuki want masteries on

[sonic sable]

S2

[gaunt bay]

2

Other skills dont matter

[sly harness]

S3 has some applications

Range expansion can be useful

[open finch]

Don't rly need masteries for s3 applications tho

[gaunt bay]

all s3 applications work at sl7 lmao

who keeps wishing earthquakes on me

grrr

i keep getting earthquakes while playing

[astral epoch]

._.

[sly harness]

You can probably find some place where the SP cost lowered by 10 or reducing the damage he takes from 15% to 12% of max HP will make a difference

[gaunt bay]

there isnt

[sly harness]

Don't just save all the vouchers you get. Think whether you will need someone from it for Bosky or WD3 and only then save them

[astral epoch]

i don't see how not saving the vouchers helps here

[sly harness]

Also if the skill is not M3 it is unusable

[gaunt bay]

the applications for s3 are pull based

[sly harness]

You need max 2 medic vouchers for ed3. So you are wasting a slot. And idk what you have already drafted or what collectible do you have to solve the stage

[gaunt bay]

youre just looking for the range to reach so you can pull stuff in

[astral epoch]

i mean there's a pathfinder right before the boss

[sly harness]

You may need damage if you use him as Bosky carry

[astral epoch]

im just bitching about the fact i got 3 medic tickets in a row

followed by that stage.

[slate hull]

do you have mon3tr?

[astral epoch]

yeah

and kal

but i'm doing ed2

[slate hull]

she slaps on that stage if you use the s3 on the red tile, I saved some runs that way, but it is not really a good strategy, a run that has to rely on something like this is probably dead already

[astral epoch]

yeah

and i feel like mon3tr for ed2 is kinda sus

[sly harness]

Yyy

Its

But you can bait a Sui to the lower right tile

Like the range tile which is the original position of Mon3tr is able to bait Sui

[sly harness]

You need to learn how to do f2 Bosky

[astral epoch]

i don't have leizi so uh, ulpianus ig

[astral epoch]

wdym learn

[sly harness]

You should have like 20 collectibles

How to clear fights in 1 attempt with just Raidian and Amiya in f2 Bosky

[astral epoch]

what

is this the ling cheese

[sly harness]

No. You can clear most of the fights in f2 Bosky with just Raidian and Amiya

This will give you a lot of resources

And make the run much easier

[astral epoch]

i don't see how that gets you like 20 collectibles given you have like

4 candles

[sly harness]

Like on average you can have 15-20 collectibles when leaving f2

4 candles from f1 + 5 candles from f2

Also Raidian gives you +1

[nocturne cape]

mon3tr has a niche application in ed2, if you click her skill 3 exactly one frame after the red exclamation mark appear on the progress bar she can bait the feet and dodge it

[astral epoch]

yeah i was accounting for that

[nocturne cape]

but its frame perfect so not very reliable in practice

[astral epoch]

cc10 max risk flashbacks

[astral epoch]

I'll do it eventually but that seems pretty unnecessary atm 😭

[sly harness]

Isn't her original position always baiting Sui?

I think this was a case

[astral epoch]

also i got the stupid stage where you just have no dp

[nocturne cape]

something like that yeah

[astral epoch]

so that was definitely not beatable with amiya and raidian given you literally can't deploy raiddian

[sly harness]

You would be able to beat this now (on f3) with big bobs certificate

But yes this one is one of the few unbeatable stages without a help of collectibles

[astral epoch]

anyways what the hell do i with these

[sly harness]

But also it is very unlikely that it was the only stage you had there

[astral epoch]

it was one of 2

the other i beat first try

[gaunt bay]

Boatjump is6

[nocturne cape]

not nearly as useful

😉

[gaunt bay]

🥹

[noble orbit]

You cant just die right

[sly harness]

Nope you can't

You can only die during combat

[high summit]

also that's losing 1 max life point, so it goes from 1/8 to 1/7

[sly harness]

but if you had 2/8, it would drop to 1/7

[sly harness]

Begging of f3 with 18 collectibles without robbing a f1 Shop (btw I played it quite badly and wasted 2 Candles . I forget what Raidian matchups looked like.)

[noble orbit]

[empty gulch]

i'm probably the only one who still didnt get OOC

i constantly get manmade carnival

[sly harness]

you need too toss 2 Riscs to get occ

[stray dove]

and 3 risks = emer ooc?

[sly harness]

nah 2 risc no flower EM

2 risc + flower normal

[stray dove]

ah flower

[stray dove]

what's Joy From Burdenbeast?

[cold fjord]

jobber stage

[sinful sparrow]

is3 map with 600 chests

[stray dove]

but no Grudgebearers

[stray dove]

i remember

good to know there are ways i don't get OOC/Carnival

[inland elbow]

To get out of control I need to put risk coins in my coffer wtf

1984

[cold fjord]

is this why bait leaks 10 on d5

[sly harness]

but all risk will guarntee it

[cold fjord]

bro doesnt pick risk coins 😢

[stray dove]

i can remember at least 4 risk coins worth taking

[noble orbit]

Wtf killed my units

They just died

[stray dove]

black dragon?

wait...

Ed3 route?

[noble orbit]

how tho ye

[stray dove]

cleared Clarity?

[noble orbit]

end 3

ye

[stray dove]

....

READ THE RELIC YOU GOT LATER

every ops needs healing right now

[faint rampart]

so hp loss

[noble orbit]

Its my first time be gentle pls

[cold fjord]

nope

[stray dove]

PLS read every relic you get

[faint rampart]

[noble orbit]

I read every relic except that one

well e1 purestream gotta clutch up now ig

[stray dove]

All i can say to you is

[sly harness]

Operators lose 2% maximum HP every second for 60 seconds on deployment.

[stray dove]

Welcome....to Ed3

[noble orbit]

this is like IS3 lose hp relic

For more dmg

[sly harness]

yeah but here you lose it for fun

[noble orbit]

Lol

I used to throw runs by greed picking that thing up

[sly harness]

btw i think it was IS4 and it was quit strong there

[noble orbit]

is3

[stray dove]

which relic

[noble orbit]

Im sure

[stray dove]

i don't remember that shit

[noble orbit]

The encounter where theres a woman

with a crystal ball

[stray dove]

IS4 yeah

for a great ATK boon

you bleed

[sly harness]

Operators have +25% ATK and 25 ASPD, but loses 25 HP every second.

[noble orbit]

yes

is3 right

[stray dove]

25 HP flat is so low

lmao

[sly harness]

only 25 HP per second

it is IS4

[noble orbit]

Ah

my memory is muddled somehow

I was so sure tho

[stray dove]

you don't remember getting annoyed by the bleed while the Ed1 mountain harasses you?

[noble orbit]

Isnt it the plant

[stray dove]

that's a mountain

[sly harness]

p2w

[noble orbit]

ice cold image is a big fat plant right

[stray dove]

it's a fucking mountain

this is literally the first boss

i know you're talking about those branches or vines around it

but it's still the mountain

[noble orbit]

Yeah I assumed only a plant would throw vines

[noble orbit]

How tf is a mountain attacking me bro

[stray dove]

it literally showed it how

falling icicles

[noble orbit]

Huuh

Maybe I thought it was a plant because Genshin Impact

Oh well

can haruka be used for ending 3 is4?

instead of nightingale

[stray dove]

thats a no from me

[noble orbit]

can I finally clear ed 3 now

[sly harness]

not really

[stray dove]

NG's RES really helps against Craz harass

[noble orbit]

How bruh isnt eyjaberry a cope

Used to be

[sly harness]

uptime wont be sufficient

[stray dove]

it is

[noble orbit]

But haruka is 100% uptime

[cold fjord]

nah

her uptime is shit

[stray dove]

Meyja use against Gardener/Sentinel was a cope

[noble orbit]

Yeah I even dug down into quercus

And bassline

Im desperate br

[sly harness]

we would need to cope S3 there and its uptime is not good enough

[noble orbit]

S2 doesnt work?

I thought we only needed sanctuary

[stray dove]

how unfortunate. Kernel selection has no NG

[noble orbit]

It hasnt since forever

Well it has but I bought pulls

[stray dove]

well, you live with that issue now

[dusk creek]

She works as long as you can 2 cycle cresson :clueless:

Compared to ng not having cage bait is also a pretty big deal

[sly harness]

30% Sanctuary vs 3000/6000 Arts damge

[stray dove]

good luck with that highroll though. To get DPS relics at all in IS4 was considered a highroll already for me

[dusk creek]

It’s 60% on s3

But it only lasts for 1 cycle so

[sly harness]

yep i was talking about S2, they asked about it

[noble orbit]

Theoretically you can do it without nightingale I saw some crazy chinese relicless 6 op but that is barely humanly possible I would never ever be able to do that

[stray dove]

she rescued me a lot to content where she matters the most.

truly an exemplar of a niche operator

[noble orbit]

Yeah shes so OP when she is good

Like any time arts is involved shes literally OP

[dusk creek]

If you go lemuen comp then yeah you can do sentinel without ng

[stray dove]

relicless i reckon?

[dusk creek]

Problem is that it’s hard to fit lem in

[noble orbit]

I need a guide

Every time I go in mf just teleports everywhere and I dont know wher he goes next

[dusk creek]

If you’re doing lem carry you would just tag cresson with like exu and you can put lem wherever

[stray dove]

Lem S3 is like THE Craz nuker these days?

[dusk creek]

Problem with not setting up right though is that you leak all shadowblades at the start

[stray dove]

cause it is a really good fast nuke

[dusk creek]

So if you don’t have resource to leak you kinda need to setup right anyways

Which comes back to the survivability issue

[noble orbit]

Yeah you just die to trash mobs right

I couldnt believe my eyes when I saw 6 ops relicless

That was literally god descending to bless that run or something

[dusk creek]

You just have to look at the first half-3/4 rotation pathing

[noble orbit]

where to I place 🍋

which tile is safe

[stray dove]

iirc

there was cycling involved

it's no longer as simple as idling at west, right?

i remember Sentinel layouts having actual 2 groups

and not just a "good enough" group for right lane?

[dusk creek]

You can look the relicless ig for an idea of how to setup if you’re running lem core

[noble orbit]

i tried bro but for some reason its not the same

also rolling for the alter takes 20 years

is there guaranteed alter like is5 now

[dusk creek]

wcyd

Wait for d18 guaranteed alter

[stray dove]

do you think all those Sentinel runners just wish it into existence?

no

they just keep trying

until it pops up

the same way i keep trying to make Cecity pop up

[noble orbit]

Yeah but I dont have that much time lol

[stray dove]

even if chances are low

[noble orbit]

Lmao

you are just crazy

[stray dove]

then stop dreaming of Sentinel clears

[noble orbit]

why is bro fishing for cecity

[stray dove]

Tri, it already happened

the issue is

my emulator died the moment I'm leaking HP with it

now I'm trying to proc it again

cause lvl 2 is still not obtained

[noble orbit]

no shot

thats cursed

[stray dove]

very

it was a very VERY shit day for me

[noble orbit]

i dont use emulators so cant relate sadge

[stray dove]

thats the thing....

when you say it was cursed

it really felt like it

the emulator doesn't even fuck up at all

but there's that one time it stopped registering my clicks or hotkeys or binds during combat

and boom.....Cecity run gone

once again i no longer feel that issue since it only took a restart and now I can't replicate that issue at all

I've been grinding paradigm procs ever since that day, No issue with the emulator.

It scares me if it'll once again happen once I get Cecity

[noble orbit]

dont like phone?

[stray dove]

my phone is actually worse

it has issues with dragging the entire span of the screen

in other words

it will fuck up your deployments

[stray dove]

by not allowing you to deploy far

[noble orbit]

bruh

I never heard of this before

Ok now how do I kill this guy

[stray dove]

there's literally nothing too special about him

just kill the black pieces he throws down

[noble orbit]

every time I deploy he throws like 20 down

And my e1 pure stream died

[noble orbit]

is leaking him still 30?

[stray dove]

it's just that you never addressed those

3 stealth'd talisman spawners

[stray dove]

50

[noble orbit]

Bruh.

he throws more balls down every time I deploy an operator even in phase 2 right

[stray dove]

yeah prepare for that too

thats why his fight is literally decided

on the very first drops you do

and how you're dealing with the phase 2 drops

[sly harness]

You generally want to minimize the amount of deployments or just deploy in the range of your damage dealers to destroy the balls

[stray dove]

you drop ops for 3 things

-to keep every operator alive

-to lane and kill boss

-to kill more black pieces than the retaliatory dropped ones

[sly harness]

Or just spam Yato S3 and retreat her before she ends her skill. It won't spawn the balls

[stray dove]

lmao

[stray dove]

Ya2 coding is so hilarious

[stray dove]

it's like D15 Izumik all over again

although D15 Izumik solo Ya2 had leaks

[noble orbit]

Bruh.

[sly harness]

This is better. She costs 0 DP and has 0 redplyment time

[noble orbit]

Lukas you should have told that since the beginning

[stray dove]

that needed the redep coin tho, right?

[sly harness]

What

[stray dove]

Tri

[noble orbit]

My yato 2 was spawning balls

[stray dove]

fucking learn how to beat Wang normally first

[noble orbit]

Isnt this normally

[stray dove]

yeah and you need to learn more

[noble orbit]

I guess I need haruka

Haruka would make this easy

[sly harness]

Coin + Book for 0 redeployment time

[noble orbit]

purestream is not cutting it

[stray dove]

Purestream is E1, Kal is E1

you could've E2'd one of them....

[noble orbit]

My purestream's max level is e1 lv60

[stray dove]

[sly harness]

Built her

[stray dove]

then Haruka

[sly harness]

M6

Module

[stray dove]

Haruka would be your next best bet

[sly harness]

Max level

[noble orbit]

she even worth it lol

[sly harness]

Yes

[noble orbit]

alright lukas has spoken

[sly harness]

Best IS 4* healer

And Yan

[noble orbit]

sussuro found in a ditch

[stray dove]

my dude

she has been there since IS5

[noble orbit]

yeah

[stray dove]

Purestream is top 4* medic

Perf and Sus may come after

[noble orbit]

collab unit smh

[stray dove]

she ain't

the fuck you talking about

[sly harness]

But she will be most likely dead post dlc2 on higher floors

[stray dove]

wat you thought Pure is a VTuber or animation character or something?

[noble orbit]

isnt she a collab unit

[stray dove]

I am curious how IS6 235 would be solved

[noble orbit]

limited to recruitment

[stray dove]

cause they will need a fucking healer

right now most are only solving 245

from my last check ups

[sly harness]

Mon3tr for healing

You draft her for ed5

[stray dove]

ah yes....i will finally feel me losing out on skipping Mon3tr

because she felt ass pre-Ed5

[noble orbit]

purestream is a collab unit I just searched it up

[stray dove]

whatever you say Tri....

[noble orbit]

[sly harness]

I mean she (Mon3tr) was released during IS5 dlc2, right? And she is one of the strongest characters there

Like solves ed2, makes ed4 much easier and solves ed5

[slate hull]

mon3tr suffers from being overkill for a lot of things, you can normally get away with using less hope for healing which is the main problem with her

[sly harness]

What are we talking about now?

In IS5 you draft her as a DPS. In dlc2 IS6 she will be a DPS

[stray dove]

mon3tr always pops up when an IS can have consistent high relic count or at least a consistent relic powerhouse run

it was the case in her release with IS5 Lamp

but it was never the case in IS6

until Ed5

[sly harness]

Nah she is relevant when, high physical/arts damage taken reduction or high defensive stats

Or dodge

[stray dove]

the times I saw Mon3tr gets used in Ed5 IS6, it's not about the boss or his dodge hilariously

maybe the ones i watched were ass

[slate hull]

oh, I am not denying that she is a very good dps, but for some reason I fixated on the healing part of the conversation

[stray dove]

if anything

Pralter or Hoshitter were the main killers

[stray dove]

no i can see the vision

as to why she'd be gotten for Ed5

to solve Wang's poison

but she won't be everywhere at once

there must be other ways the other laners are healing

Maybe is it just Hoshi S2?

[slate hull]

yeah, that is what I meant by overkill for a lot of things, you normally wouldn't need such a strong healer, but there are cases like this

[sly harness]

The point is that she will be drafted for ed5 and she can cover everything (both range tiles) in ed3 thanks to her summon

Also aside from killing the boss there are also this tentacle/tail thingies that works like spike chests

She is also used for that

[stray dove]

thank god i only need to fight the weakest version of Ed5

maybe it'd be less Mon3tr needed

[stray dove]

oh didn't know that. Damn that makes the entire starting board of T3 much much more evil

fucking spike chest as boss summons

that also works as spawners

[sly harness]

You will definitely be able to substitute her with something else. Like Reed alter or Yato alter are other solutions

[stray dove]

Ya2 Alter is most likely my solution

[faint rampart]

reed mentioned

[stray dove]

I do like the pattern happening with Ed5s now

it's designed as this raid boss with multiple chores/mechanics

and has multiple variations to fight with

Amiyi was the progenitor

it really only felt different when it got t3 and you get extra bosses in p1 and p2

but they really went all in on IS6 Ed5's 3 variation differences

[sly harness]

The idea is cool but the stats bloat is too excessive

Like

(those are d18 f7 base stats)

Optimizing gameplay around playing with ~100 collectibles isn't that fun

[stray dove]

wut?

like

I've beaten that guy in D12 with 30 relics. And most of those relics aren't even helping the DPS or tankiness

[faint rampart]

[stray dove]

I don't think Cube has ever stated that it takes 100 relics to beat D18 Ed2

you just need some DPS, decent tankiness, and the usual Waai Rose Salt

[sly harness]

This is the foot from ed5

[sinful sparrow]

you’re expected to have 100+ relics or so in preparation for ed5

[stray dove]

foot form ed5. the one that you need to 50% before reaching F5 boss?

enroute to 235?

[sly harness]

Nah

[stray dove]

OH

T3 EGG

it's more buffed?

[sly harness]

The harder variant of ed5 spawns ed1 2 and 3 bosses

[stray dove]

[sly harness]

More buffed because f7

[stray dove]

oh yeha

wait wait

does Amiyi floor count as another scaling too?

or does IS6 Ed5 has an actual F7?

[sinful sparrow]

its another floor so its another scaling

[stray dove]

good to know

never realized that

[sly harness]

f5 has 3.052 multiplier and f7 4.768 (d18)

[stray dove]

so there is maybe a reason as to why for more casual players like me

to not bother doing an F6 when routing to an Ed5 clear

[sly harness]

You will want to go ed4 anyway

Most likely

[stray dove]

i know it's an extra visit/pathing

but is it worth the ASPD buff you're giving enemies?

[sly harness]

The ed3 from IS5 situation

[stray dove]

well, Patriot's debuff is kinda hilariously pointless in combat

Thought inflation

hah

only counters Soul Sprout runs

[sly harness]

ed4 gives you a whole new extra Bosky

[stray dove]

i get that. But doesn't the ASPD kinda hurt as repercussions to an extra visit?

[sly harness]

This is not an extra visit but new special Bosky

Full of special "Scout nodes"

[stray dove]

ooooh

that'll be interesting

but it's hilarious to learn

yeah

of fucking course Yi and Jie boss

gets 2 more floor scalings

in T3 Ed5 IS6

Patriot and Quilon and Theresis in Amiyi fight didn't feel all too dangerous cause they don't even get the full brunt of their strength due to being 1-phase only

did Amiyi's Quilon ever summon lotuses? no, right?

based on pattern recognition

would IS7 Ed5 also have a boss with 3 variations and with boss refights in the map itself?

[sly harness]

They were completely changed

Mechanic

Just stats sticks

With lower base max HP but higher base ATK

[stray dove]

but Ed1-3 refights in IS6 T3 Ed5

gets the full kit

ALL of it

even up to Yi spamming Liangs

[sly harness]

Yep

[stray dove]

and him having a yinyang in a stage that has no counterplay to it

[real mason]

this coin usually isn't worth getting right?

[sly harness]

You can still kill them only 12 hit count HP base

[noble orbit]

its really fun but probably not worth

[sly harness]

If you can get it for a coins toss you can try but for all ingots not really. It can be fun but adds nothing to consistency

[noble orbit]

if you have 0 ingots u should take it tho right

[cloud cairn]

yeah

I mean its free if its that case

[real mason]

fair enough won't gamble this time then

[noble orbit]

I guess you can say it clogs up recruit saved up slots but eh

[stray dove]

Godblessed is only for 2 things

1. you're a new player and want to play other 6* you don't have

2. you just want to play some non-meta 6* and have a more fun casual run

one thing it isn't is efficient

[noble orbit]

what about being an old player and want to play 6* you dont have

[stray dove]

my god how little did that old player pull

[slate hull]

it is efficient in terms of hope, but a good 4* is infinitely more useful than a bad 6*, so that makes the one positive of this coin not that great

[noble orbit]

the old player kept sparking like a bozo

[noble orbit]

I doubt the legitimacy of this

[sly harness]

I don't want to play them because if I don't have them they must be shit

[stray dove]

and as someone who has raised every 4* to AT LEAST be e2 40 M3 (in their best skill) and mod1'd

yeah i'm never picking Godblessed

[noble orbit]

Wdym a good 4 star is a better than a bad 6 star

[sly harness]

Role vise definitely

[stray dove]

Tri, pick me a random 6* right now

and make sure it ain't the typical ones we raise

[noble orbit]

Ebenholz

[stray dove]

yeah I'd rather have a click

[noble orbit]

Thats as random as it gets

no bruh

[stray dove]

are you forgetting one thing?

we talking E1 value only?

[sly harness]

None of them is useful in IS6

[stray dove]

cause 6* are more expensive to promote

[noble orbit]

Its promoted

[sly harness]

Although click will clear Talismans faster

[noble orbit]

The god blessed gives you promoted

[stray dove]

ah fuck

i remember the REAL reason i skipp

godblessed

yeah you're right Tri

[noble orbit]

I just used it this morning

[stray dove]

the REAL reason i don't like godblessed

[noble orbit]

But yeah its not worth ingots at all lol

[stray dove]

i don't get to pick

simple as that

waste of a voucher if it misses

it's like spamming Doctor Seal relics

[faint rampart]

[stray dove]

in old ISs

[noble orbit]

Its fun because if it missed you save the ticket and it becomes someone else

Which is double gamba

[stray dove]

it's still opportunity lost

[noble orbit]

And you get like 6-8 random choices

[stray dove]

a voucher loss

is rough in IS

[noble orbit]

True

Good point

[stray dove]

even if there's no resources to burn or use

[noble orbit]

Best casual run relic by far tho shi

[stray dove]

we use opportunities

[sly harness]

It is fun if you play single ending and the amount of roles checks is not that high

[stray dove]

and we have to skip one opportunity to take another

that's the core of a good roguelite

choice

[sly harness]

But if you need to draft solutions for ed2 and ed3 you will prefer to have a better control over your draft

[stray dove]

yeah thats the 2nd reason i pointed out to taking it. heh

[noble orbit]

Solutions are so specific

[stray dove]

IS1 me would've loved a Godblessed....

or Doctor seals

but i just had to pray for Temps

[noble orbit]

me when I see siege

[stray dove]

make no mistake. Those are my only 6*

i reroll'd until i procced 2 6*

with one of them at least being SA

as to when my first batch of rolls is really happening

i was waiting for Surtr

[noble orbit]

remember the good old days when siege got powercrept by saga was a crazy thing

Like her whole identity got stolen

And saga is still bad

[stray dove]

it wasn't a high bar

[noble orbit]

seige just makes me sad

[slate hull]

why? she does sick flips, that is the opposite of sad

[stray dove]

why would you?
Don't be

[noble orbit]

she dodges sp lockout

[sly harness]

She was my first 6* vanguard

[stray dove]

thats just Year 1 syndrome

[noble orbit]

[sly harness]

And I don't have saga

[noble orbit]

you're not missing out trust

[stray dove]

heh....

the only reason Vigil is even lvl 60 is Ops Rec 2

[noble orbit]

whats op rec 2

[fickle jungle]

i think he mean "vigil even has operator recommended level too"

[noble orbit]

idk why people shit on vigil so much

got him as a temp recruit in is3 and honestly he wasnt bad

like people overexaggerate how bad operators are a lot

[fickle jungle]

so what did he do in your run?

[noble orbit]

Carried first 3 floors

Pretty good bait later on

still shit but far from useless

[fickle jungle]

🤔

[stray dove]

People forget Carne

But they give her a pass

Cause pweeetty

[noble orbit]

ok that op

Is actually bad

decent high ground tank ig

[stray dove]

Lin exists

Hell i love Blazer tanking ranged tile harass over Carne

[sly harness]

She has nich in IS5... Spawns Hand of Rumble for Greyy and has CC

[noble orbit]

poor blazzer

[stray dove]

this

to read the 2nd ops rec of operators, need e2 60

[noble orbit]

ah

[tired wyvern]

Guys. I just finished d4, what does standard mental told mean in d5?

[stray dove]

the debuff when on yellow color thought cap

will get worse

[sly harness]

And I was using Carnelian a lot to mine stone in RA

[tired wyvern]

Any difference is made?

[noble orbit]

more dp on deploy operators iirc

[sly harness]

Where is RA3?

[tired wyvern]

Like in clearablility?

[stray dove]

not much

last i checked

it just makes ops +1 DP more?

[tired wyvern]

Ah alt

[noble orbit]

Lol

[tired wyvern]

Do diff then alr

[noble orbit]

I just used endfield industry technologies

[tired wyvern]

Also, if u retreat ur operator before free months is dead, will u be able to deploy the operator without it being in a tomb?

[noble orbit]

no

[tired wyvern]

Like before the first phase u retreat

[sly harness]

Optimization. How to minimise the usage of devices while still getting everything

[stray dove]

still has tomb, but they don't relocate

so there's reason to retreat before the swap

so its easier to kill the tomb

on your own positioning

[tired wyvern]

But then again, u hv to place all ur ops after wis gets in tomb to get her out fast rt?

[stray dove]

yeah but don't let her get swapped

you want to rescue her easier

[sly harness]

As long as Fremont is on the map every operator defeated or retreated will be sealed with the tomb

[tired wyvern]

I'm just getting lucky by her tp to the same time she's on or one back near the blue box lo

[stray dove]

don't rely on that luck

[tired wyvern]

Ah alr thx

[tired wyvern]

Yea

[noble orbit]

if you retreat they dont teleport

[tired wyvern]

Hmm

[noble orbit]

they just stay as tombstone

[tired wyvern]

Kk

[noble orbit]

then you can use someone else to rescue

[tired wyvern]

Yea

[noble orbit]

dont play all your cards before the eggs hatch is what im trying to say

[tired wyvern]

Yea i get it lma

Also, if I finish IS5, which one is the next easiest IS?

[noble orbit]

is2

[tired wyvern]

Also other is won't have any refresh rt?

[noble orbit]

no

[tired wyvern]

Hmm, alr, wis can solo that too rt

[noble orbit]

yes

[tired wyvern]

Kk

[noble orbit]

well not solo

[sly harness]

Fremont marks targets to teleport after reviving and will cast his skill for something like 5 seconds.

Marking process occurs only once so you can deploy your operators when he is casting his skill and they won't be teleported

[noble orbit]

But she basically makes it braindead

[tired wyvern]

Ye

[noble orbit]

you might still die if you dont read tho

lol

[stray dove]

also try not to be fractured when fighting some of the IS5 bosses

[sly harness]

Small note you won't be able to cheese any other IS that much

You will need to actually play them

[noble orbit]

Me when izumik

war flashbacks

[stray dove]

not even cheese. That's just the best solution

the other solutions are fucking impractical

and hard af

[tired wyvern]

So during that time, i should probably deploy all the operators and retreat wis and start killik the tomb

[noble orbit]

Me when I dont own angelina and did mommy yato for my one and last clear

[tired wyvern]

Ye i get lol, I'm just doin this rn to like easily get more exp and lmd to e2 haruka and surtr

[stray dove]

I'm guessing only D15

[noble orbit]

is2 is basically free go do that

yeah d18

[stray dove]

cause D18....Ya2 solo can't work anymore

wait rly?

[noble orbit]

no 15

typo

Mb

[stray dove]

ah

Tri, you'll be like me someday in regards to IS3.

[noble orbit]

i am NOT playing izumik d18 again the fair way

[stray dove]

you'll feel like Weedy strats are overwhelming

[noble orbit]

I played is3 the most

[stray dove]

but they're actually the easy mode

for Ed1 and Ed4 specifically (for me)

[noble orbit]

out of all is

Bro I dont even have angelina

I dont have a choice

[stray dove]

damn you have so many missing parts of the most useful niche ops

[sly harness]

It can, you will just need to roll much higher

[stray dove]

no that's what i meant

impractical high rolling

cause high rolling is something you don't even see often outside IS5/6

[noble orbit]

yeah it just sucks

[stray dove]

if i want to win ISs, of course i want consistency

but not TOO consistent

even i don't want Lamp

[noble orbit]

with the -50% rdp I dont think its that much higher

[sly harness]

Nah you can also play for high rolls in IS3 and IS4 with Mind over Matter or Scientific Thinking

[noble orbit]

like we assume the -50% rdp is in the question right

[stray dove]

you will need either high Pot Ya2 + some more redep relic

or....low pot but a LOT of redep relic help

not just that

a LOT of DPS

Survivor run, of course it will be

[noble orbit]

MOM is a lot of damage

[stray dove]

but it needs a LOT of damage

more than MoM can give you

[noble orbit]

she should 2 shot squids with MOM

[sly harness]

I mean you have a survivor contract as your base damage

[noble orbit]

at least she did in d15

idk how big the diff is

i read the buffs they got and it says reduced dmg taken by bosses but only in the beginning of stage?

[sly harness]

2x more HP

[noble orbit]

Isnt it only beginning of stage

the red circle

[sly harness]

Nah floor multiplier will give them 2x HP

[noble orbit]

???

wuduheel

[stray dove]

you forgetting the biggest thing of adding 3 more diff mods?

[noble orbit]

no wonder i felt it was so much harder

[sly harness]

The are not affected by the d18 condition because they are not elite

[stray dove]

stat scaling

per floor

[noble orbit]

yeah but i didnt expect it to double

[stray dove]

F6 boss

gets scaled 5 times

now add more stats to that x5

[noble orbit]

holy

yeah you def need high roll for this one

[sly harness]

From 15% HP and ATK on d15 to 30% HP and 20% ATK on d18 (stacking multiplicatively per floor)

[stray dove]

just play Weedy

you'll learn to love her in IS3

like me

fucking best solution for Highmore and Izumik

and D18 Highmore Phase 2 actually hurts

that I'd rather Weedy push her Phase 1

but yeah

skip for now

you are Angeless

[noble orbit]

but how do I push without angelina

-_-

[sly harness]

Hool

[noble orbit]

I mean I do have hool

[stray dove]

Hool + Weight/shift str manual

good luck

[noble orbit]

Thats cope as cope can get

[sly harness]

• Ptilopsos

Double push is a thing

[noble orbit]

im not running that...

[sly harness]

Nah

That is pre Angelina IS module IS3

Double push was the only way in the old times

[noble orbit]

wdym double push

[sly harness]

You don't need collectibles for this

You push two times

You need Ptilopsis and Weedy mode

[noble orbit]

how does lukas know all the tech

[sly harness]

To get two S3 in one cycle

[noble orbit]

This is insane ball knowledge

[inland elbow]

he read my guide

[woeful anchor]

u dont need hool or ange to push highmore

[sly harness]

I only know them

[woeful anchor]

🚬

[noble orbit]

izumik

[inland elbow]

https://is-central.github.io/is3-mizuki/slaying-the-ocean/

[sly harness]

I haven't used them in practice that much

[woeful anchor]

u need weightless for izumik

[nocturne cape]

Shameless self promotion

[woeful anchor]

self promo wtf

[nocturne cape]

But yes go read baits guide

[woeful anchor]

ur so cringe

[noble orbit]

last time i checked there was no is3

ig bait has to be banned for self promo now

[woeful anchor]

this guide has been out since forever

[stray dove]

btw for someone who got to get tips on more modern strats to do for D18 IS3, yeah Ela's mines really help the stall of Izumik feeding after Weedy's initial pushes

thats something i wished i learn

[noble orbit]

i do wish I had ela

[stray dove]

earlier

but not many have knowledge of modernizing IS3 D18 strats

[noble orbit]

is dong it the fair way

still viable

getting the 90 light

and relic

[stray dove]

HAH

no

[noble orbit]

people still do that?

[stray dove]

just take the shittiest one

[inland elbow]

if you have nowell then kinda

[stray dove]

you don't need more block or tankiness

that's not gonna help you at all in D18

[inland elbow]

but usually you just want to no feed if it's not push

[sly harness]

Built Wild Mane then

[stray dove]

if can't Ela, back to WM

[noble orbit]

my brain isnt big enough to comprehend these strats

[noble orbit]

push izumik in hole was invented by EN? aint no way

[inland elbow]

it was cn

[noble orbit]

it says en made it in your guide i was shocked lol

[inland elbow]

did it

[cold fjord]

It was a lie

Cuz bait is pregnant

[noble orbit]

well it says mr vaporvenus pioneered it

[inland elbow]

vapor venus is cn bro

[stray dove]

just because they didn't use chinese letters doesn't mean they're EN

CN has 5-6 months to concoct a lot of strats before EN can even touch the damn thing

[noble orbit]

Ok im stupid got it

Guess I got baited

[stray dove]

Baited by Bait

[noble orbit]

it seems tragodia is not mentioned in this guide bait

its true this is quite a while ago

[stray dove]

when D18 IS3 happened

Geexu wasn't a thing either

i waited for both Geexu and Trag

before i even touched the damn thing

[noble orbit]

I played it on lauch

[stray dove]

I needed all the edge to get the upper hand

[stray dove]

my condolence

[noble orbit]

Lol

I was so excited

To see if unc still got it

[stray dove]

As much as I like Uncle, yeah his max diff operator recommendations are close to being preferences and casual max diff runs

compared to really precise solutions done by competitive IS players

He's the reason i pulled for Typhon and Ascalon

[open finch]

whos the father

[noble orbit]

sad seeing ops like pozyomka becoming obsolete

[stray dove]

at least Poze carried long enough

[inland elbow]

trag is basically nymph but better in this guide

[stray dove]

I don't even know if my Typhon investments were actually an improvement or not

for vanilla IS4

[inland elbow]

good for no feed

that's about it

if you're going for a stable win which is push strat trag isn't that important compared to ange

he's really strong en route though