is-station

[sinful sparrow]

i’ve seen 235 with super large egg without ling loop

[stray dove]

it's how easy it is to get god mode

[sinful sparrow]

and you can do it pretty consistently

if

you’re good enough

[stray dove]

the only thing Ling Loops do great is keeping your LP high enough to not lose

[sinful sparrow]

i havent learnt the full method of greeding relics

[heavy pumice]

i see
that a different i am looking for

[wet crow]

I will see when I can actually play

[inland elbow]

I sure don't respect it bruh

[stray dove]

Also, another gateway to Ling Looping?
It's fucking boring to do

[sinful sparrow]

yeah mfs just abuse ling loop because its a quick win and tourist got buffed again

[wet crow]

if the strat requires some specific ops comp or Wisadel

I'm out

just like how I gave up 2 alter + 4 in is5 dlc1

[stray dove]

someone doesn't play enough IS6 if they think Wis is the top

[heavy pumice]

so ling loop is not mandatory level of run

[inland elbow]

Ingot talons is the fakest "skillful" gameplay ever

You literally have to get lucky to win

Tf is that

[stray dove]

it's not about skillfull. It's about how many hurdles you're willing to go

Lamp has the least

[wet crow]

basically talons gameplay in the nutshell

[sinful sparrow]

whats your criticism outside of it allowing you to highroll

[wet crow]

I hate it when they made stages borderline impossible to clear if you don't have enough stats

[stray dove]

wow it's as if IS was built with relics in mind

relicless has always been the TRUE flex

[inland elbow]

But yeah I'm waiting for the is6 meta to properly get solved

[wet crow]

they made a problem base on the something that shouldn't exist in the first place

thus make everyone's experience worse

[inland elbow]

Not really, is3 was totally reasonable to play relicless

4 mostly so too

[sinful sparrow]

(every map is stall slop)

[stray dove]

Weedy is a fucking cheat regarding "stat" gates

[heavy pumice]

well, hate it or like it
that is IS what currently happen now

[stray dove]

and IS3 can be permastalled

[inland elbow]

It's 5 and 6 that have ran away with the relic and stat creep

[wet crow]

IS3 and 4 don't have that problem

[stray dove]

I don't even get what you want out of IS. Do you just keep increasing the bar on how relicless something is?

[sinful sparrow]

i think its just is5 talons in general

“emergent gameplay” when i draft the same stuffs consistently every run because i have 300 extra vouchers per floor

[stray dove]

that when you can't relicless anymore, it's shit?

[wet crow]

the only relicless clear ed4 of Is5 is done on d0

[inland elbow]

High skill expression gameplay with interesting and varied decisions

[wet crow]

which said alot of things

[sinful sparrow]

damage slop

[stray dove]

I get you guys love to flex

but there's a limit to how much relicless you can do

[inland elbow]

It's not about flexing

It's just way more fun

[sinful sparrow]

why the hell are you complaining about how someone wants to play IS

???

[carmine token]

[stray dove]

And when your version of fun is not doable, it's immediately trash?

[inland elbow]

Is it really interesting to place down ur giga jacked op and click skill over and over ignoring the map?

[wet crow]

I'm not a relicless player (some even call me a highroller)

[sinful sparrow]

imma be fr i watched 6 talons 245 runs and i learnt absolutely nothing

[sinful sparrow]

its trash to them..?

to each their own?

???

bro

[wet crow]

but there is something fun when you try to optimize how you play base on what you got

[sinful sparrow]

what a creature

[inland elbow]

Like my problem with ingot talons isn't that it isn't skilled or whatever

It's that even if you do everything right, you lose an alarming amount of the time

[stray dove]

i dunno about you guys but I'm just playing how roguelites are intended to be played.
Although other roguelites really kill you off if you ignore everything

[inland elbow]

And it's not due to a skill issue

[wet crow]

when they make everyone need to have certain things otherwise they will fail, that's where they took the fun out of IS

[inland elbow]

It's straight up because you didn't roll the relics

[stray dove]

ingots talons is truly gamble

that i agree

it's hilarious

[inland elbow]

So you get stat checked by quilon and die

[sinful sparrow]

damage slop 😢

[stray dove]

is Quilon a harder stat check than Amiyi?

oh yeah...phase 3

[wet crow]

Yes

[carmine token]

to each to own ig

[sinful sparrow]

in a 245 run if you can beat 4, you most certainly can beat 5, unless its t3

then maybe you eat penis

isk

[inland elbow]

Compared to this, something like is3 and 4 have pretty weak relics on average and you get way less

And the mode is balanced based on that fact

[stray dove]

IS4 has shit relic spread....or that's just maybe me really getting annoyed how shit IS4 boss relic drops are

[inland elbow]

So gameplay truly comes down to just how well you can draft and how well you play

[sinful sparrow]

they balanced is6 ed5 around 120+ relics run

actual fuckers 🥀

or technically 48 relic runs 🤫

[wet crow]

I don't think they know the Ling loop exist tbh

[inland elbow]

There's no nonsense about "oh I straight up can't win because it's literally mathematically impossible"

[sinful sparrow]

they do

[wet crow]

they just look at the stats of IS6 and see everyone has shit ton of collectible

[stray dove]

they do

[sinful sparrow]

they most certainly do, when they made tourist

[stray dove]

they adjusted Ling procs

to rare

[wet crow]

and decide balance ed5 around the median

[sinful sparrow]

no way they don’t know

there’s so many videos of ling loop on bili that its hard to not see at least one

[inland elbow]

They deliberately nerfed the rate

[stray dove]

Ling Loop is just a much more tedious lamp

[wet crow]

but do they tried to fix that ? Appearantly not

[noble orbit]

What th helly is a ling loop

[inland elbow]

So they have to know

[stray dove]

They consider the loop acceptable

because the moment you ling looped

you've aligned enough RNG

in your favor

so they give it to you

[wet crow]

I mean I accept it as a way to exploit the game

[heavy pumice]

amiyi t3 is different beast
how do i say it.... not have a min setup (ops and relics) literally died and cannot leak her is the best shit to happen :joyplush:

[sinful sparrow]

“aligned enough rng” when i play Tourist squad:

[stray dove]

the biggest RNG

[wet crow]

but if they balance everything around it, it just kill every other play styles

[stray dove]

is ling procs

the coins mean jack shit

[sinful sparrow]

nah they dont balance ed5 around ling loop

[stray dove]

they don't. You just need good relic spreads and solving how to clean the map

[sinful sparrow]

they did kill class squads with dlc2 though
cuz they don’t nearly have the power to sieve through relics and farm

[stray dove]

right now has anyone made a clean T3 Ed5?

i see no videos yet

[sinful sparrow]

300
Clears on bili bruh

[stray dove]

and T2 Ed5 still had -20

[wet crow]

there are alot

I have done a few

[stray dove]

gimme

[inland elbow]

There's a ton of vids

[sinful sparrow]

there’s like 200 clears of 235 t3 leakless

on bili

[stray dove]

i don't exactly know how to search in bili

[sinful sparrow]

get the fuck off youtube

[inland elbow]

But they're all pretty much the same idea

[wet crow]

it's just I don't consider them worth uploading

[stray dove]

if i don't use chinese chars

[inland elbow]

Have like 140 relics, yato alt to kill tail

[sinful sparrow]

have you tried typing “n18 245” and search from there

[inland elbow]

Pram sa gnosis hoshi mylnar

[sinful sparrow]

kjerag slop all the way

love this game

[carmine token]

:ya:

[sinful sparrow]

:quilonya:

[inland elbow]

Oh m3 is pretty common too

[sinful sparrow]

m3 is common cuz aint noone gonna block Shuo with 8 punch cards in drployment zone

😭

[stray dove]

and what others to filter to make sure the vids i pick isn't shit? just RNG my way through?

[wet crow]

yes

[sinful sparrow]

and talisman burn themselves now, so M3 is actually usable

[inland elbow]

They're all pretty highroll slop

[stray dove]

I'm guessing 245 is the considered harder routing just for the ASPD buff?

[inland elbow]

You'll have to wait for a long while to get some actual good clears

[stray dove]

instead of 235's debuffs?

[sinful sparrow]

by definition you need to highroll to beat ed5 cuz 25% bloat is vile

235 is harder

[inland elbow]

No 235 is harder

[sinful sparrow]

its way harder

[stray dove]

ah there we go

i knew it

[sinful sparrow]

mfs have been playing 24 for the longest time during dlc1

and they just slap 5 on top

[stray dove]

Wang stays winning from his gifts

[sinful sparrow]

aint noone play 23 like the shitters here

[stray dove]

so they're cowards

[inland elbow]

https://b23.tv/cWiQoay

This guy claims to have a 5 winstreak of t3 egg

[sinful sparrow]

ah yes Tianshi squad

[stray dove]

with relics?

[inland elbow]

Ofc

No one is doing this relicless

[stray dove]

i was hoping there was progress

[sinful sparrow]

It’s not possible relicless either

[stray dove]

truth be told it's already a mountain to get through Quilon's Chalice spams

[sinful sparrow]

The reason why IS3 has relicless with 30% scale is that enemies are susceptible to CC

[heavy pumice]

wait, 235 harder?
hmmm
that is interesting
too narrowed on how to beat quilon locked me into this 235 idea

[stray dove]

that i know it takes a lot to do it relicless

[stray dove]

for IS6

[sinful sparrow]

IS6 has cringe stats and 25% scale

gl bozo

[stray dove]

Wang's debuffs are rougher

[sinful sparrow]

Shuo has 500k HP base

[heavy pumice]

ohh lol
sorry i tho is5

[sinful sparrow]

cuz fuck you

[stray dove]

i love that they made an IS6 boss

that makes furniture

as an attack

very perfectly themed

[inland elbow]

Base stats are also just lower

[stray dove]

i mean

wasn't it already obvious?

based on which ISs

have 3* as free

and have 4* as free

[heavy pumice]

oh yeah IS3 have lower stat

[stray dove]

escalating difficulty per series

[carmine token]

n i play since 2020

[inland elbow]

Idk about difficulty

[stray dove]

also IS3 has the shittiest hope inflation escalation

didn't IS3's D4 start global hope inflation?

including 3*?

[inland elbow]

Yes

[stray dove]

it takes 3 clears before you can't use most of the 3* you raised

awful fucking feeling

[inland elbow]

Ngl I never understood this

People squad was the best squad back then anyways

[stray dove]

it still is in D18, isn't it?

[inland elbow]

Specialist/caster is

[stray dove]

Survivor squad is just RNG with minimal solo strats

[stray dove]

oh yeah Weedy value alongside Geexu and other Specs

[inland elbow]

And like, what is the actual difference in using 3* and reserve ops

[stray dove]

i would use 1 hope for Spot

[inland elbow]

It's not like 3* do anything interesting kit wise

[heavy pumice]

not remember what best
but yeah i vaguely remember folks argue about people squad and mom

[stray dove]

and 1 hope for maybe Kroos

temp have lower stats

[inland elbow]

Sure, but is3 also just has lower stats

[wet crow]

you don't want to have anyone on the ground of extended amount of time anyway

[inland elbow]

Reserve ops in is3 are contributing just as much as 3* in is4

[wet crow]

Kroos is understandable because that 1 stage on f1 you might leak without her

[stray dove]

hilariously you don't feel it too much being in the max diff. Broodmamas and Mantas are so tanky

in D0

absolutely one of the easiest IS clears

[inland elbow]

And it's another privilege afforded by people squad

That they can take advantage of strong 3* who actually do good work

[stray dove]

my class spread tends to be spread decently enough that i never liked dual classes much

[inland elbow]

Instead of is4 where kroos literally becomes useless on f3

[wet crow]

I pick people squad when I play casually because fk rerolling for e2 start

[inland elbow]

Similarly for is5 and 6, what did making 4* free actually accomplish

Like cool ur taking purestream or sussurro now

[stray dove]

I never thought it would gimp me as much. But hey, I was that guy who used Krooster starts pre-D18

[inland elbow]

Very cool stuff

So much more imaginative than ansel and hibiscus

[wet crow]

In is3 and is4 having spare Hope at any point is so nice

[stray dove]

cmon bait that's easy ragebait. At least other classes that aren't as linear as medics or casters have it better choice-wise for 4*

[inland elbow]

Is it really

Defender, sniper, caster, medic are literally 1-1

We have specialists

[stray dove]

well, if you're not considering "which is best top picks"

snipers have a decent subclass spread

[inland elbow]

Where ethan and gravel were already getting taken

[wet crow]

because getting your squad ready for endings is more important than grabbing power in most cases

[inland elbow]

No one is taking anything other than may bro

[stray dove]

Totter May Pinecone are all good options if you're not going max diff.

May is the usual

[sinful sparrow]

if it’s not doing max diff

[carmine token]

may va pisses me off, im not raising her

[sinful sparrow]

doesnt matter

🗣️

[stray dove]

[inland elbow]

Supporter has roberta and deep color I guess

I don't think this is all that interesting

[wet crow]

yeah

[sinful sparrow]

bro didnt mention podenco my goat

kill

[inland elbow]

But I guess it's more interesting than orchid

[stray dove]

Supp and Spec always had the most varied subclass variety spread

but they were built as such

to be flexible in roles

[inland elbow]

Guards are boring as hell

[stray dove]

always will be

[inland elbow]

And so are vanguards

So like

[stray dove]

VG will always have the issue

that their subclass needs to print somewhat

[inland elbow]

Making 4* free made one class more meaningful gameplay wise

[stray dove]

be cheap

and have lower stats

[carmine token]

another guard subclass forr that

[inland elbow]

Which is supporters

[stray dove]

thats the VG curse

no matter the VG subclass

[inland elbow]

And the tradeoff we got

Was stat inflation

[stray dove]

cause they need to be designed to be dropped early

[inland elbow]

Take me back to the days when 3* cost hope if this is what making 4* free does bro

[wet crow]

tbf max difficulty is kinda niche anyway

[stray dove]

i mean

[wet crow]

I think stat inflation is somewhat more acceptable for casual players if they want to get all the shiny medals on all squads

[stray dove]

we are the the VERY few players

that bother with such difficulties

and even i do it only a few times

some of you guys swim in that max diff like it's the default

[wet crow]

I used to do it for fun

[carmine token]

like the percent is under 1 for max diff

[stray dove]

absolutely

the amt of AK players who even do IS itself

is low

then lower it A LOT MORE for max diff

[wet crow]

but now I want to experience it so I can give advices if someone need them

that's also why I started my own channel

to help people

[stray dove]

hilariously

[wet crow]

things work on max diff will work on lower diff

[stray dove]

i always consider people who don't like IS or RA

as those people who just want to copy strats

Ecko/Kyo babies

[carmine token]

like 30% of ppl play is, but like probably 0.8% of all player play d15/18

[stray dove]

the RNG shits those chances a lot for them to copy anything

if 30% play IS

i'd be happy with such high numbers

[woeful anchor]

omg hi nightedge

[stray dove]

as for how truthful that is.....no clue

[wet crow]

Hello

[woeful anchor]

nightedge in station is krazy

[carmine token]

it could be 10% or 20% idk im just giving probablity

[woeful anchor]

most of the classknights player i know dont like IS (for obvious reasons)

[wet crow]

I just happened to stumble the on-going conversation.

[stray dove]

hilariously i remember doing higher risk strats on lower risk in old CC and it didn't work because of specific things that needed to happen. I don't know which interaction it was but it's hilarious

[wet crow]

if your stats rely on timing then yes

[stray dove]

i guess it's the balance of enemies needing to survive long enough for a stall or something

[wet crow]

but it will work fine if you adjust a bit

[carmine token]

ig u just kill them too quick

[stray dove]

D0 caters to them easily though

especially the dualclass that hits their classes

[carmine token]

d0 is just gen contnt ak

[stray dove]

indeed it is

i do like at least that Raidian became a form of "bait" to make casual players try harder

[carmine token]

till d3 its just normal ak

[stray dove]

there is a resurgence of casual players that are going the mile just for her

and i know they will do it in IS7 too

it's too good of a system

[carmine token]

true

[stray dove]

even if casuals hate it being gated to them

[carmine token]

its just d2 bro

[stray dove]

no they need to d10

if they want the complete package

and i keep telling them that d10 is nothing

d12 is default difficulty

for me

[wet crow]

I think new people find IS hard mostly because they don't want to "grind" for the skill tree

[carmine token]

most casual wont do that, like 2% will do probs

[stray dove]

to me it's them FINALLY being independent

in playing the game

they cannot copy strats 1:1

they can copy ops and layouts

but the relics will be different

and need to adjust

[stray dove]

if we can get the 29.9% of casual IS D0 players to have 2% of them try to go the mile

it's a win

[carmine token]

ts is why IS is peak

replayablity

[stray dove]

that's what roguelites are

in a nutshell

[wet crow]

the first time I tried D15 was for SGL1

[stray dove]

easier replayability

[wet crow]

before that I was only a casual player

[stray dove]

it starts somewhere

you just need the push

and Raidian might be the push for others

[carmine token]

i still qualify as casual by is station

[stray dove]

people need to "rip off the bandage" of the stigma of higher difficulty IS being too hard

[wet crow]

with the right kind of motivation and support, anyone can make it (if they also have spare time ofc)

[stray dove]

I identity as a casual IS player

just in principle of me doing D12 squad clears

and only doing D18 ending clears ONCE

[wet crow]

for me it was competition

[carmine token]

✅

[stray dove]

I play IS with completionist in mind

medals, highest diff clears, get all index stuff 100%

[wet crow]

but I stayed after because I found amazing people during that time.

[carmine token]

[stray dove]

nice

i think what made me stick is how different the metas start becoming

when difficulties reach high enough

and each IS have its own meta

with some "global meta" being fewer like the usual suspects of the best DPS

[carmine token]

yea,exu2 is meta everywhere cuz she is the best op

[stray dove]

except Lamp IS5

she's.....detrimental to that

[wet crow]

if you play Exu2 you don't play Lamp anyway

[stray dove]

yep

[carmine token]

u play talons

[wet crow]

casual players still do but they are casual so they probably play blueprint/ingot on d15- so it wouldn't be a problem anyway

[stray dove]

btw can anyone expound as to why Haruka is much less desirable in non-IS6?
I'm guessing hope econ (no conserved voucher discounts)? Maybe Meyja's elem healing (that doesn't matter in IS3)?
Maybe Ptilo's value instead?

[wet crow]

Quercus does the same role and cheaper

[tulip arch]

upper or lower?

[stray dove]

the downtime feels rougher

cause Haruka bubbles heal

at least to keep you alive enough

before S2

[wet crow]

in is3, is4 and even IS5 you don't really need healing

[stray dove]

hmmm

i think you need it in IS4

there's a lot of tanking involved

[wet crow]

beside some specific cases and most of the time Shu or 4-star medic got you covered

[stray dove]

in Sentinel/Eternity

and before that

[woeful anchor]

no?

[wet crow]

Nightingale and Warfarin

[stray dove]

tanking maybe ICI or Eik staling?

[woeful anchor]

go play d0 classknights

voucher rng go brr

[wet crow]

the only case you really need healing is ed2

and Warf + Quercus still work better there.

[stray dove]

oh as in TRUE classknighting. Well that tends to feel badly for those that don't use ground ops or summoners

[woeful anchor]

yes...

what tf is fake classknights

3-4stars are free game?

[stray dove]

exceptions of yeah just a blocker or VG

[wet crow]

Haruka is a big investment in term of Hope - which is not thing you have spare most of the time

and she doesn't actually solve anything

[woeful anchor]

ah yeah i meant like 1 class only

[stray dove]

IS6 has been very kind to hope econ until you hit D17

[woeful anchor]

its horrible to play in IS

[stray dove]

some of us guessed

that coupon use in vertical would increase

[wet crow]

is5 is mostly because of petal

[stray dove]

like what they did in IS5

but nope

discount loss

I do love the feeling

[sinful sparrow]

Pathfinder is automatically dogshit now

L

[stray dove]

that Pralter is great in IS

it's been a while since I've tried to get an operator

purely from IS value

Haruka doesn't count as much.....but yeah close enough

btw has anyone done 235 to check if you can only use candled ops in Ed5?

due to permascouted ops?

[wet crow]

I used to say when it comes to optimizing squads: Vanguard and healer are the first one to go out.

[stray dove]

well

there's exceptions somewhat..

although it feels minimal for IS4

but you want a Baro solution

as for IS6, there's relic/coin solutions against Ssu Nung but you still might want printers

[wet crow]

yes unless the situation requires it then there is nothing you can do.

[stray dove]

Lamp IS loved Surfer/Canta

and IS6 still loves Surfer

Ed2 and Ed3 in IS6 making you require to have healing

hilariously

IS4 and IS6 have always made you require some form of DP solutions and healing solutions

because their floor debuffs are stickier and their bosses require you to tank damage or heal debuffs

IS5 did have a DP cost inflation epoch

but most IS5 maps are slow enough that you never felt it, and Epochs aren't sticky. If you're good, you also made sure you had Window to erase Epoch before last boss.

[pastel saffron]

Is ModX1 still the way for IS hoederer?

Idk if new mod is better

[stray dove]

Casters are always out unless you're Pralter (there was a case for Logos or Ceobe but those were the past)

I never once considered Hoed mods

cause i never used Hoed outside Lamp

[pastel saffron]

Oh, I thought his mod helps his S1 survivability

I saw him being used in IS6 Ed5 too

[sinful sparrow]

its conditional

You only take him ever if you see chalice

[stray dove]

i mean i can see Hoed use in IS6 if you got an ASPD run

[sinful sparrow]

And even then he isn’t immortal

Because Shuo has a shit ton of ATK

[stray dove]

maybe Tourist with Stove Alight

makes it also consistent

[sinful sparrow]

yes thank you for repeating what i said

[pastel saffron]

what about for IS5, mod skip or get?

[stray dove]

i typed and didn't read your message fishy

[sinful sparrow]

you can take it for the extra damage

sure

[pastel saffron]

it's mainly the 20% healing effectiveness, idt those lil stats do anything

[stray dove]

i always just consider

that if you had modules to burn

use them on ops you feel like you'll use a lot

if not....maybe mod1 if you want lore

even if you can buy data blocks, i still prefer to lessen the top ups as much as i can

[pastel saffron]

Hmm ur right ig

[stray dove]

hilariously, it's not just the data blocks

the LMDs ain't cheap

[pastel saffron]

just have good base

[stray dove]

a chain of module upgrades makes the EXP/LMD balance real shit

[pastel saffron]

I make 70k a day

[stray dove]

i do have a good base, Ice

but i raise everyone

[pastel saffron]

oh

[stray dove]

so yeah, i always have resource demand

[pastel saffron]

My biggest problems with mods is how hg implemented them

[stray dove]

heh

free EXP and LMD

is welcomed

better than most gachas

regarding resource gains/rewards for attendance

[pastel saffron]

this empty bar, why does it exist on reed

it should be same as its on Mon3tr

[stray dove]

wat

[pastel saffron]

only me know how I have controllwd myself from unlocking her mod

it triggers my ocd

coz I use her a lot

this shi shouldn't exist

its a constant reminder that I dont have her mod

[stray dove]

well sure

but whats there and whats not makes sense

solve your OCDs then

use dem data blocks

[pastel saffron]

the problem is I have way too many mods to unlock

and not enuff blocks

so solving ocd isnt possible

[stray dove]

presently doing 3 EXP 2 LMD until my gold bars go below 100.

[stray dove]

that's everyone's problem

unless you're a whale

like UnclePtilo

every ops gets e2 cap, m9, p6, mod3 asap for him

[pastel saffron]

yeah ur lmd is similar to mine

mine might be a bit more ig

maybe not

[stray dove]

YES! I love duel chanel

[pastel saffron]

whats duel channel

is that the april fool thing

[stray dove]

ALL IN! ALL IN!

[pastel saffron]

oh

[stray dove]

yeah it's now a consistent thing

[sinful sparrow]

bro can HG please drop the PV for CNY lim

[stray dove]

we've had 1 already

[sinful sparrow]

i am aware its 3 more weeks until CNY but pls

[stray dove]

Honeydew is the 2nd Duel Channel

[pastel saffron]

mika u think it's YI or the last female sui sibling

[sinful sparrow]

idk im waiting for Wang

🤷‍♂️

[pastel saffron]

Idt irs wang

but I could be wrong

[stray dove]

i mean makes sense if Wang or Yi is next CNY

but let's see

for all we know

Wang dies like Jie

fighting Bestial Sui

as if history repeats itself when a proxy tries to kill the original

[woeful anchor]

it should be ji

cos ji is cute

🗣️

[pastel saffron]

we have full faces for YI and Ji

hg have no reason to wang first

[stray dove]

that's never an excuse hilariously

[carmine token]

sui merchant subclass

[pastel saffron]

the only reason I think it could be female one is coz last year was male too, but maybe hg isnt scared of dropping 2 male in a row

[stray dove]

we've had NPC hell

for a lot of things

[carmine token]

there was 3 females in a row

[stray dove]

one thing i can say to you is

the only pattern HG follows is

the 4 limited banners

everything else somewhat changes in some ways

all i ask

is for the new Suibling

to be good all purpose like Shu and Yu

or have Suibling talent synergies

like 4 Seasons

[pastel saffron]

yeah its double standard for them, when they release 2 males maybe it pisses off someone

but when its 3 females, no one bats an eye

[pastel saffron]

they might be good enuff to make substantial improvement for IS6 ED5

[stray dove]

whoever gets pissed because of that don't get too much traction either way

cause this is AK

[carmine token]

hmm its gacha games are full of males

[stray dove]

and not the usual goonerbait gacha

[faint rampart]

[pastel saffron]

I personally don't care as long as the male op has good kit and cool art

[stray dove]

i only care if they're cool

and AK had a high rates of good art for me

[pastel saffron]

same

a particular bad art tho is Schwarz e2

tho her skin saves her

[carmine token]

SA e2 art

[stray dove]

to me that's acceptable

what pisses me off are artwork like Siege's latest skin

[earnest shuttle]

Gambling simulator is back

[pastel saffron]

it's ok for Year 1

[pastel saffron]

the free one?

[carmine token]

bro looks like he aged like 10 yrs

[stray dove]

as much as how good the outfit may be. This face feels very off

[carmine token]

n he looks malnourished

[stray dove]

hell, I still use Siege's E0 art

[pastel saffron]

Hot take but I don't like og Hoshi art too, og Hoshi skin was good tho

and hoshi alt art is perfect for me

[carmine token]

meteorite skin has a twisted arm

[stray dove]

Margaret needs sleep in this one

a reason why i still use NTRK's E2 art

[pastel saffron]

nah this one is good

[stray dove]

yeah not a fan of the face

it has to be perfect in all facets for me to buy a skin

[pastel saffron]

it looks more like makeup than eyebags to me

idk

[earnest shuttle]

she looks evil in this one imo

[stray dove]

it reminds me of those semi-realistic eyes pasted onto DDLC's Yuri

due to how off it feels

[earnest shuttle]

Life less eyes

[pastel saffron]

Astesia getting 3 skins is my fav genre of ak

the shining step one is peak

[carmine token]

her arts are fuckin her up 😭

[stray dove]

either way

there's a lot more art that feels off and SA's E2 ain't even close to what feels not-good for me

[earnest shuttle]

Shaw E2 art scares me

The eyes...

Why does he look like from those discontinued animation

[stray dove]

I use E0 Shaw

her art's just better there for me

same reason i use Ethan's E2 over the free skin

he just looks way way cooler here

[earnest shuttle]

:ggnod:

[stray dove]

like he came from a Gorillaz MTV

[earnest shuttle]

^^^

Feels like gorilllaz

[stray dove]

hilariously, the first time I saw Ethan, i really thought he was a collab

because of how differently he was drawn

[pastel saffron]

what yall think about skalter skin

which one is best

[stray dove]

this is my answer

[pastel saffron]

Based

[stray dove]

the best "AHs" are those with hats. And I prefer this one over the other skin hat

[pastel saffron]

I also very much hate Lings 1st skin

I missed 2nd one

but 1st one looks super off to me

[stray dove]

i skip skins that i don't like

even if it's their first skin

[pastel saffron]

same

[stray dove]

i don't get people who buy skin just because its the first

I skipped Tex2 and Mly's first skin

[carmine token]

i skip skins for char i dont have

[stray dove]

it didn't sit well with me

[pastel saffron]

I skipped Mly too, but tex skin art was good
ingame animation tho. .

[sinful sparrow]

Her first skin > e0 art = e2 art > second skin

[stray dove]

not to me

E0 still looked better than that

talking about both Mly and Tex2

until 2nd skin came

[pastel saffron]

as long as new skin is on last, I agree

[stray dove]

context: I don't have Stainless

[pastel saffron]

I don't have Skadi but have her skin

I thought I would get her

but never did

how foolish of me

[stray dove]

Ice

[pastel saffron]

same with ange, but I will cert her

[stray dove]

that's the same for me with Blaze, Stainless, and Blem

until Stainless remained

i just buy what i like

[pastel saffron]

Yeah I bought many skins too

and so far I got most ops from those

Blem skin I didn't like, I prefer Blems E0 art the most

it looks cute

E2 is ok too

I don't like the skin all that much

[stray dove]

i like it heh

they did a decent enough job of making her dark knight look good

[pastel saffron]

the chibi on default skin is pristine

[stray dove]

even feels like Wendigo-like due to the shoulder pad or Nachzerer-like due to the wooden sword design

[pastel saffron]

reminds me of those iS ememes

enemies*

[stray dove]

I guess i have it real easy. I fully ignore chibi anims

or looks

it's only art for me

[pastel saffron]

Wait Weedy Nutcracker or Summer

THERE'S ONLY 1 RIGHT ANSWWR

[stray dove]

i prefer nutcracker

now when will Mudrock get a fully-armored skin?

I've been waiting forever

at least Rosmontis gets some amazing skin love

with 2 high quality skins

[pastel saffron]

The only reason I ever wanted weedy was coz of nutcracker skin, like I didnt even know she had IS usage or anything

I just wanted the damn nutcracker summon

[stray dove]

i want Weedy to look good because she's an amazing base ops

so i keep seeing her in base everyday

[pastel saffron]

prolly not, not many people will buy it

[stray dove]

so having a better art than default is something i go for

[stray dove]

imagine only liking Mudrock when she removed her clothes

[pastel saffron]

isnt she used in factory

[stray dove]

i liked her the moment I saw her in TW

[stray dove]

thats what i said

[pastel saffron]

I personally dont want to remoge her clothes

but I also dont like the helmet that much

idk

[stray dove]

peak

well i like it. trihorned, looks like the combination of a horn and stag beetle

[pastel saffron]

the free IS skin kinda is a middle ground with her not showing so much skin

[stray dove]

i just want a fully armored ops again

and i don't like relying on R6S everytime

with Tachanka and Fuze

for that fixation

Miksaparato helped somewhat

but i need more

[carmine token]

steamknight op when

[pastel saffron]

wasnt therr an op in china with fish in their head

andarmor

and isnt tinman technically armored too

[stray dove]

that's also someone i like

even if not fully armored

i do like less-human designs

as for Tin Man.....ok passable

i love his skin

making it look even less human

and more armored

[pastel saffron]

nah I hate spot, lwk I have failed IS runs coz I dont pick him

his design lwk pmo

[stray dove]

Spot is the exception

[carmine token]

tinman e2 art is peak

[stray dove]

yeah i don't like either of Spot's art

[pastel saffron]

I personally think instead of cardigan, fang should have gotten a new skin

I dont like either of her arts thay much too

but in old IS shes a pick

[stray dove]

i like Cardi's skin enough

plus our free Fang skin is always a banger

heh

[pastel saffron]

cardi christmas skin better than new one lwk

[stray dove]

ehhhh

i don't like it

[pastel saffron]

I dont like it that much

[carmine token]

nah, i like her new one more

[stray dove]

btw

whats taking HG so fucking long

in re-selling Beagle's skin?

it's been forever

we even got Hibi's beta skin now

[pastel saffron]

wait I just looked at carnelian new skin

[stray dove]

and yet still no Beagle skin rerelease

[pastel saffron]

wtf its cute ash

[stray dove]

wait what new Carne skin?

[carmine token]

beagle lowk pmo

[stray dove]

yeah i like that

what skin were you talking about?

[pastel saffron]

there's the christmas one too I like it but I think this new one is super good too

I just missed it

also missed ansel one

[stray dove]

[pastel saffron]

wow when I quit they finally give good skins

[stray dove]

like....the only thing I'm missing is Beagle's

[errant siren]

I remember it will rerun soon

[stray dove]

and yes i technically don't use skins i hate the art of

[errant siren]

On Titi.

[stray dove]

so the ONLY rerun

is Titi's?

weird...

or did they finally add it on cert shop?

or CCB shop?

[errant siren]

I saw on normal Event shop

Let me confirm this

[stray dove]

why did it take so fucking long

[pastel saffron]

wow u have 3* built

[stray dove]

Well, they would be

even back in IS2

[pastel saffron]

I never needed those coz I started ling patch

Until I started IS

my myrtle still not 100 trust

[stray dove]

hilariously

[pastel saffron]

and cuora e0

[stray dove]

I never liked Kroos' Halloween skin

[pastel saffron]

Ling start is peak

u can do whatever u want

[stray dove]

so i kept using Kroos default

UNTIL we finally got Login Kroos skin

that i liked

[pastel saffron]

Yeah kroos default is better than halloweeen

[stray dove]

lucky me

[pastel saffron]

login kroos is peak

[errant siren]

Naisu

[stray dove]

WHY DID IT TAKE SO FUCKING LONG

even for goddamn global that's 5 months away

[errant siren]

Exactly

I want new Beagle.

Without glasses

[pastel saffron]

what if monhun collab unit is beagle alter

I hope not

[stray dove]

I'd rather it be Rangers and Durin

because we need to give those ops some love

the only time they ever get any love

is that MH alter chance

hell

let it be triple

include 12F

even if he isn't part of Yato's squad

[pastel saffron]

wow rangers is ugly..

I hope 6* is durin alter

[stray dove]

nah

for all we know Rangers or Durin might get updated art (WE NEVER GET AS AN UPDATE OR SKIN AND IS IN ART HELL)

Noir never got any cause his art really is serviceable plenty

[eternal wadi]

What does is6 scout node give? I never touched it

[stray dove]

same as other ISs. You let one operator leave for the rest of the floor (unplayable for current floor)

and you get goodies in the next floor

perks are

whoever you sent

gets promoted too when they return in the next floor

so there's perks to sending out higher rarity/more valuable operators

just make sure you don't die from their absence

Scouts near the end of the floor feel amazing especially if theyre F2/F4 (bossless)

entering a Bosky/Sui Realm/WiW acts like entering a new floor

so they return immediately

[hushed kiln]

Is hoolheyak worth getting e2? Cause she levitates with her skills and in IS angelina with module is busted with levitate iirc

[stray dove]

I'd use Ho'ol....in normal content

just cause i love her newest skin

[pastel saffron]

what u think of eblana skin? i think it's oversexualised and they can do better

skipped it for now, not like I have 12 blovks for eblana anyway, might be same as reed

reed summer skin I didnt like at all, her other skin is peak

[stray dove]

i don't mind oversexualization

if anything i found it lacking

not good enough for me

so didn't buy it

we have this. We ain't getting anything lewder than this

[carmine token]

i dont like her

[quick pond]

36/85 Ground Breaching Squad Ending 1

My God not getting Radian E2 for 8 runs straight is hell

[pastel saffron]

btw u know what floor is optimal shop rob for IS2~IS5?

I know for IS6 rn it's F1

[abstract marsh]

thank you bro

[pastel saffron]

oh you had Mlynar goo, very nice

[stray dove]

for IS5 it's technically for better timing with Chalice

some do it in F4

I risk it in F5

[abstract marsh]

using the cat when bro is summoning the explosives was such a bad idea

[stray dove]

when a run is unlucky af.....F6

[abstract marsh]

the cat only lasted 0.001 seconds before dying

[pastel saffron]

yeah summons get baited to cat

[stray dove]

as i always say,
Yi is countered hard by cat
But also, using cat on him is hard af

you need to know the best time with as little Liangs near him and when he's not near doing the dance

[pastel saffron]

If u have e2 raidian u dont even need cat, I don't take trag anymore

raidian or hoshi + haruka works just fine

[stray dove]

of course

[abstract marsh]

yea you have to use the cat when all the explosives die

[pastel saffron]

I have never done shop rob in any IS besides 6, I have played sm IS3 and could have had so much more high roll runs ngl if I robbed

tell me for IS3 what floor optimal

[stray dove]

iirc there's no robbing in IS2

IS3 you rob him when you are at your strongest

[abstract marsh]

how

[stray dove]

IS4....never robbed him

but you should

[abstract marsh]

do raidian s1 work fine alone?

[stray dove]

Robbing Cannot tends to always be risk vs reward. But it's been optimized enough that the reward might be higher than the risk

although some shop spreads are shit

[stray dove]

always

but he moves a little

just make sure to have S1 be cycled enough

a complete Raidian with mod3 has it easiest

to replenish and constantly up the barriers

but we have Haruka and Hoshi right now

those 2 can permastall Yi much easier

using Hoshitter S2 of course. Some also use Haruka's S3 for this

[pastel saffron]

yes just keep him in red box, lemme see if I have a run

[stray dove]

since it levitates Yi and damages Hoshitter less

[abstract marsh]

[stray dove]

the best layout of those 2 of course is same horizontal

so they both cancel the other side from hitting their partner

[abstract marsh]

I MISTOOK GNOSIS WITH TRAG 😂😂😂

[stray dove]

and they tank weaker Liang explosives cause of it

never liked Gnosis's skin

his E2 is too good

[pastel saffron]

@abstract marsh irs basically like this, I do have e1 trag here but like he didnt do much. you just keep cycling raidian summon
https://youtu.be/dUJcTq0Yo14

Hoshi is like this

[bright otter]

at least it’s max pot

[abstract marsh]

wait you copied the same video

ah

[pastel saffron]

https://youtu.be/4s7LyIcqXvs

[sly harness]

in IS2 you can't. IS3 f6. IS4 f6 or f7. IS5 f4 if you play Lamp. For Talons f6 or f7 5 if you have ASPD per ingot collectible and you need it to not explode in ed2

[pastel saffron]

f6 shop is guaranteed in IS3? And IS4 as well? danggg

[sly harness]

Yes

Sho was always guaranteed f6

Only IS6 changed it

[stray dove]

btw IS6 D18, Cannot rob.....when?

I keep hearing Shop squad from Cube

what the fuck is that

[sly harness]

But after dlc1 it will also be guaranteed

[stray dove]

and does it make you not rob him F1?

[sly harness]

So you won't shop rob f1 after dlc1

[stray dove]

depends....what if the spread's too good?

[pastel saffron]

if u have high roll run btw with lots of atk and stuff, u can insta kill yi too when he comes out

I have done it atleast 3 times, but most of time if I am high roll, I go end2

[stray dove]

we talking stirfry+chalice

you can't buy both

[bright otter]

candle node will still be random?

[faint rampart]

[sly harness]

Pathfinder? It will also be guaranteed

[abstract marsh]

😭

[stray dove]

also expansion 1 offers a QoL

of having pathfinder and WiW

have verticals

easier to chain them now

you can still miss them

but less so if you have coupons to burn

[sly harness]

IS6 dlc1 is a bit of a too much of an QoL stuff

[stray dove]

there's no such thing as too much

wait no

Lamp is too much

just never that

and we good

[sly harness]

From what I saw not really (it will be probably extremely rare). Unless you can't do f2 Bosky fights, then you won't have coupons

[sly harness]

Lamp is fine just use it to play d18 245

[stray dove]

i guess there's really not much point to robbing F1 Cannot unless you're only doing Ed1 or 2

maybe the spread's REALLY good

[sly harness]

Also there will be guaranteed collectible in the first f2+ Shop you enter that will allow you to enter the Bosky after exiting the given shop if you buy it

(with 3 Candles)

So basically an extra Bosky

[stray dove]

...is that fucking shop squad?

oh

you mean it's a relic?

as guaranteed as the Ed4 shop relic in IS4?

that really is a huge incentive to not rob F1 now

[sly harness]

Yep as far as I know it should be guaranteed as ed4 collectible

[sinful sparrow]

DLC1 adds a relic that let you enter bosky instantly on the second shop you enter

And ed4 relic is in the firsts Trade node in bosky for 5 LP

hope this helps

[abstract marsh]

last frame cat lure

😎

[sinful sparrow]

🟢

[abstract marsh]

😭

[sly harness]

Also maybe the shop meta will change a bit after dlc2 because ed5 gives you basically a IS5 Petal again so you won't have unused ~150 Ingots

[stray dove]

Wait

Not only does ed5 nerf natural dp gen

It also eats ingots?

[sly harness]

And Hope

But this is the first collectible

[stray dove]

They be doing petal shit

[sly harness]

The second is DP gen

[sonic sable]

Next month dlc1?

[stray dove]

They really be cooking is6 235 as potentially the hardest run huh

[sly harness]

Should be still around 1.5 month

[sonic sable]

Wth

[sly harness]

On CN they had dlc1 exactly 3 months after premier

[sinful sparrow]

First relic is petal 2.0, also zaps hope
Second relic is barometric 2.5, -50% DP

[stray dove]

Initial sp, dot hp%, natural dp

[sinful sparrow]

extra challenge relic includes

• +50% HP/DEF on all enemies, and grant Shuo (both human and dragon form) the ability to continously spawn enemies
• +30% ATK on all enemies. Candleguests have -10% stats outside of bosky, and additional -10% per new floor entered. When entering ED5 floor, -50% extra

a run with both of these, and fight ed123 in tandem with boss 5 is “super large egg”

[stray dove]

Wait wait

Do you need t3 to get hardest map?

[sinful sparrow]

i’m not sure whats the “beast swarm” shit the CN nerds keep cooking

@nocturne cape do you know

[stray dove]

Is ed5 map a bosky or normal?

Cause damn

Debuffing candled ops feels foul

Really makes 235 absolutely difficult

[sinful sparrow]

its a normal stabe

unrestricted

[sly harness]

Built two squads

[sinful sparrow]

the 235 meta is getting as much relics to offset that debuff as possible

because its not base stat

[dusk creek]

you mean 役兽群?

[stray dove]

245 at least you can minimize by not candling ops you dont need in Turmoil

[sinful sparrow]

the debuff is like untold kings shards

[crystal niche]

whats the main gimmick of is2 ed 3

[sinful sparrow]

yeah idk what “beast swarm” is in CN

it seems like the singular hardest variation

[crystal niche]

what do i have to be careful of

[dusk creek]

that's just the name of the option with the 3x bosses

[sinful sparrow]

oh is it just super large egg everyone’s doing?

[sly harness]

Use fast redeployment operators to kill boss "summons" fast

[stray dove]

Constant damage from dolls

[dusk creek]

ya ig so

[sinful sparrow]

[crystal niche]

what if i dont kill them

[dusk creek]

if you pick both debuff relics but you don't pick the 3x bosses then it's uh 😂

[sly harness]

You won't be able to kill the boss

[sinful sparrow]

kinda pregnant

[crystal niche]

so he only takes dmg from summons death?

[sinful sparrow]

Boss is perma invulnerable

[crystal niche]

hek nah

[sly harness]

Yes

[sinful sparrow]

He takes %maxHP as damage per puppet killed

exactly 10%

[crystal niche]

how tough are these summons exactly?

[sinful sparrow]

they’re whatever with the new operators

but dont place operators near multiple of them

as they debuff ATK

[crystal niche]

3x3?

[sinful sparrow]

Mhm

[crystal niche]

kk thanks yall

how are the actual stage mobs

hard or nah

[sly harness]

Easy, only the casters can be annoying

[sinful sparrow]

so like is the 300 leak just the guy not understanding the mechanic or what

:joyplush:

[dusk creek]

that's cause he didn't kill the tail that summons enemies ya

cause no one knew initially that it's that one specific tail at the start

[sinful sparrow]

ah

funny guy

[dusk creek]

I thought the leak 300 thing was the guy just didn't do anything

and wanted to see if the enemy spawns would end

[cold fjord]

yes he just killed the boss without killing the tails

so 51391635513 enemy

[sinful sparrow]

:joyplush:

[dusk creek]

the 48 relic goober was shilling ulpianus in the comments cause he stuns the mini dragon

how real is ulpianus tech

[sinful sparrow]

doesnt look real bruh

48 relic is pure ragebait 🫃

i think ulpi can work with like init sp

and non 235

but i think people will pivot to 235 eventually so this mf is fraud

[dusk creek]

infinite sp when end3 relic yup

it's also funny that in the comments they were saying that you can abuse end4 bosky to promote ops

so you can just recruit e1s and promote them via the scroll

245 truly fraud

[sinful sparrow]

yeah the scroll just promoted everyone

[crystal niche]

wait with is2 ed 3 is there a 6th floor?

[sinful sparrow]

technically 235 also promoted everyone?

like Wang sends every non candle onto scout no?

did you see any 235 runs in full

[sly harness]

How will ed3 debuff interact with auto skill activation risk?

[dusk creek]

does that work as well

[sinful sparrow]

no idea i have yet to see a full run

[dusk creek]

curio doesn't change your initial sp

so it's just the normal initial sp calculation

[sinful sparrow]

and ed3 debuff is final anyways

so -50% into death

:YA:

[cold fjord]

235 does promote everyone ye
so either way you have a full team of e2's

[dusk creek]

wtf

[sinful sparrow]

it does?

damn