is-station

[sinful sparrow]

is4 has done irrecoverable damage to the community

[stray dove]

my ines is still pot1

[inland elbow]

should've EOS'd at is3 yep

[stray dove]

and i value her as THE best operator purely for all-content purpose

[inland elbow]

I mean, wisadel

[stray dove]

I just don't want to top up as long as i can

sooner or later wisadel is gonna be swept away with a different DPS

while Ines' kit will stay valuable for a longer while

[inland elbow]

I think ines tends to be pretty overrated

she has valuable aspects of her kit

[stray dove]

she's fucking underrated if you ask me

ask players who their top ops are

none will say Ines

[inland elbow]

but like, she's historically been a poor pick for IS because 10 hope for a vanguard who just does invis reveal

is kinda blegh

it's literally just is4 where constant invis reveal is in high demand

[stray dove]

yeah sure. But I still see her getting recruited if hope demand isn't as rough.
although that might just be per player bias

[sinful sparrow]

low diff player 🚬

[sonic sable]

Tell that to the d7 warriors

[sinful sparrow]

not a single good player i know draft ines on is5/is6

look at Bait!

or something

idk

[inland elbow]

yeah but she's like the first op you drop the moment you start feeling the hope squeeze

wisadel hasn't been the best dps in a while

[stray dove]

absolutely. just acceptable. never the amazing prio.

[inland elbow]

honestly even in her debut banner her numbers weren't actually that much higher than comparable ops

what makes her crazy is the flexibility revs give her

[stray dove]

....like what comparable ops.....Flametail, Saga,....Canta?

[sinful sparrow]

damn wis balanced confirmed

surfer canta bro

[stray dove]

Surfer wasn't there when Ines released

[inland elbow]

and that's what has kept her relevant and broken this entire time

[sinful sparrow]

ok but canta existed

[stray dove]

yeah

and you're saying Ines is a worse laner than Canta?

[nocturne cape]

whos the fraud

[sinful sparrow]

its wis bruh

promote fish eggs

[inland elbow]

level 60 haruka

fake fan

[winter belfry]

based

[inland elbow]

bet she's not even mod 3

[sinful sparrow]

can we please have her story disguise outfit as a skin

[sonic sable]

Her dph was one of the highest though and its still is

[sinful sparrow]

its so good

[stray dove]

God you guys are tempting me to 180 gold certs Swireter

Cube, is she solid and fun?

[sinful sparrow]

Laugh at this creature

No swire

[winter belfry]

do it

[nocturne cape]

she is solid and fun

but dlc2 not looking too hot for her

since you turn in all your ingots at f4

[winter belfry]

rather draft other specs anyw

[stray dove]

[inland elbow]

on s3 yeah which is good. Though if you wanted crazy dph ray was already out at the time

and mylnar isn't that far behind

plus a lot of the damage came from the splashes

which did get heavily affected even if the main hit had good dph

[sonic sable]

Ray issue was low total skill dmg

[inland elbow]

I wouldn't say that tbh

her damage relative to cycle is really good

[stray dove]

does Ray have target prios?

[inland elbow]

80k is really solid when you consider it's a 20 sp skill

sandbeast gives target prio

[sinful sparrow]

ray is also cute

wis ugly

[sonic sable]

High dph is the reason few ppl still place wis higher thsn exu

[sinful sparrow]

ray wins

👍

[sonic sable]

Granted they never used ray

[inland elbow]

her problem is being ST

and recent IS editions not being kind to her

[sonic sable]

That too

[inland elbow]

since they focus on hyper scaling

often with aspd

[sonic sable]

Talisman also fck her

[inland elbow]

like in the end, you look at the total damage counts

and you realize that wis just isn't that impressive

logos is 140k

wis is 120k

mylnar was 100k at the time

her big thing is just that she could be placed anywhere

[stray dove]

most of the time it has always been

[sinful sparrow]

isnt wis 140k
wtf

[inland elbow]

because revenants are broken

[stray dove]

"why not both"

if no class clashes

[inland elbow]

I lied

it's 110k

[stray dove]

most of Wis' value for me have been revenants' slow and extra dmg laning

[inland elbow]

lmao

[sinful sparrow]

misinfo 1/1 😢

[nocturne cape]

yeah this is just single target damage without considering splash tho right

[inland elbow]

ur slop

[sinful sparrow]

realmad!

[inland elbow]

this is with the splash included I think

[stray dove]

i doubt anyone maffs potential multitarget damage

that'd be hell to consider

[sinful sparrow]

why does it matter?

[inland elbow]

s2 is her big damage skill and also broken

[sonic sable]

So most braindead

[inland elbow]

but it gets dph checked

[sinful sparrow]

s2 is very buffable

😋

where’s my flinger hand outside of IS

[stray dove]

in the end, Wis will still be picked as first Sniper choice

unless banned for some reason

[inland elbow]

but yeah the point is wis isn't just another dps

she's not logos who actually is getting his ass beat because he's a numbers machine

[sonic sable]

Wis is a very selfish unit

[stray dove]

Wis has some form of utilty all oriented on revenants

[sonic sable]

Does not do anything for the team unlike newer units

[stray dove]

to me that's half of her value

what's your gauge on "does something for the team"

[sonic sable]

Revenants help her not her teammates

[split void]

https://tenor.com/view/immediately-summons-2-revenant-shadows-explode-wishadel-otter-arknights-gif-10159215411272662651

[sonic sable]

Hi red

Extreme statcheck unit

Thats why has seen zero cc max risk usage

[stray dove]

this reminds me how small some IS4 maps are that I forgot how big Gopnik is to scale

IS6 making me too used to him being in medium to large maps

[stray dove]

last time i checked slow is global value

[sonic sable]

True

[stray dove]

next you're telling me Ines' slow dagger range and bind proc is selfish

[pastel saffron]

wtf are those levels, it should be opposite, make Haruka 90 NOW⚡️

[chrome tangle]

show ur p6 yato

[stray dove]

the last single banner p6 attempt I ever did

it was bloody to get her to p6

she's also proof that p6 will never be worth hunting for due to how long some ops' values last or gets relevant or gone.

[chrome tangle]

Did u use her

Also where m9

[stray dove]

i did use her

a lot

there was a time when Ya2 Tex2 and Surtr were in all my casual squads

even got me a D15 Izumik back when Ya2 solo was something plausible for Ed4

but yeah that usage has turned into "I only use her in IS"

although some of my ops pulling has been IS-oriented since I still play hard difficulties and I don't want to feel too gimped

[faint rampart]

[nocturne cape]

@sinful sparrow Have you gotten any king/sarkaz king/hand relic outside of bosky shops?

I have a rising suspicion that they cant be obtained normally

[grizzled nexus]

Thorn Gourd Buffet

[stray dove]

isn't it so easy to have low HP due to bosky shops too? I was wondering that they removed king relics because it was that easy

although undoing lvl 6 level up is the final threshold

[sinful sparrow]

i havent seen it

check dlc2 leaks channel in ISC

i think polymer posted the info of it

lemme fw it

[chrome tangle]

why is there a leaks channel when its not leaks

IS6 was being posted before it came to EN

[sinful sparrow]

the channel was there cuz some nerds ⛏️’d info about ed5

[chrome tangle]

just post that shit

in the normal chat

[faint rampart]

:raypog:

[grizzled nexus]

Just realised that you got Complex Yi Lock if you trade Yi Lock in Lost & Found

[errant siren]

Well, yes

The description said so.

[cedar ivy]

The lotus plant is weird af

You just let it eat you until it dies from pleasure

[errant siren]

Well, it can give coupons. A lot of coupons, so why not?

[lusty mesa]

is hoshi good at is5 too ?

[split void]

Why are 2 Inspirer get me this linger but not shield?

[stray dove]

the only time the strongest ground operators aren't good....is in IS3

although...

IS6 does counter some of the slower hitting ground ops via Talisman

like Ulp

[heavy pumice]

its rng not guarantee
sometime this could happen so yeah

[split void]

Oki

[stray dove]

hell

there's an Epoch

that makes you miss interpretations

and locks you out afterwards

[brittle grove]

Chalice jumpsace

[sinful sparrow]

Sakichan jumpscare

[open thicket]

Hey guys, i have a question, how do you bait the giant hand in IS6? I tried placing an operator as bait but the indicator isn’t moving

[remote badger]

never cluster ur ops

since the feet likes more stuffs in 3x3 area

[errant siren]

Sui Leg drop priority as follows:

1. Most Crowded unit (Around 8 tiles, Killable Summons also counts);
2. If all isolated/several with same crowdness, the one in very BOTTOM on the map one takes priority;
3. If several on the same row, the one on the LEFT on the map takes priority.

[open thicket]

So the giant hand only targets operators that are placed close to each other? Not the most recently deployed one?

[errant siren]

Nope

Read the prio I wrote.

[open thicket]

I see

[open thicket]

Woah thanks for the info, i need to run is6 again >:v

[foggy heath]

How many runs would I need to lvl90 Raidian if I stick to low diff such as diff 3?

[remote badger]

a lot

like

way alot

[crimson nest]

If youre asking this from lv1e1 then you can't

[foggy heath]

Oof

[pastel saffron]

Who's more worth to cert, ange or post mod gnosis

I figured it is ange but just to be sure coz I am not exactly sure of gnosis's is usage after mod

[halcyon flame]

Ange

Gnosis alpha mod isn’t bad by any mean s but it suffers geom being a supporter voucher

[atomic wind]

???

[stray dove]

yeah what about it?

[crimson nest]

That isnt even bad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1217560848336425162.webp?size=48

[errant siren]

This has wrong description.
Last part is: "...and the first enemy breaching your Bluebox does X2 BaseHP damage."

[cyan pasture]

which 5 star is good to build for IS?

[atomic wind]

Fr?

[errant siren]

Yep

Imagine I strategically leaking flying box with 2 BaseHP

And die

[errant siren]

Also counts for Civ Death too.

[cyan pasture]

Dman

[quick pond]

30/85 Tactical Destruction Squad Ending 2 Difficulty 12

Finally done with Tactical Squads, Man why does that butterfly keep playing hide and seek? Granted I killed it in 1 turn so it was definitely fun

[woeful anchor]

agent or flag

[faint rampart]

so puzzle and wanqing, got it

[cyan pasture]

i have e2 puzzle but skill 7, cantivle is still e1 so is Silver surfer

[woeful anchor]

u say this but e2 wanqing is meta

[cyan pasture]

havent e2 Wanqing and Wifi tower

[woeful anchor]

e2 all ur flags and agents

🚬

[cyan pasture]

mainly been e2ing 6 stars tbh

[faint rampart]

:amiyapog:

[cyan pasture]

so wanted to ask when i have e2 the afk 6 stars

[woeful anchor]

ye wanqing and ely are basically the same op

[faint rampart]

still gotta wait for him to be in rr

[woeful anchor]

just pick the one that comes prepromtoed

[cyan pasture]

Other than those vanguards, anyone else?

[woeful anchor]

for general purpose no

each IS has different 5star meta

[cyan pasture]

for is

[woeful anchor]

yes

is3 meta 5star and is5 meta 5star are different

[cyan pasture]

ahhh

[woeful anchor]

its mostly just vanguards that are shared

[cyan pasture]

i see i see

[woeful anchor]

cos dp is generally used

[cyan pasture]

i guess i should focus on vanguards for now then

[remote badger]

only like 4 or sth

[cyan pasture]

Man ill be honest is6 is the gamemode i got the farthest in finishing runs, send was is2

[woeful anchor]

i havent played is6 enough to know what other 5stars are used

rose salt and waaifu is a pick vs ed2 boss

but idt ur playing ed2

[cyan pasture]

i guess unit quality makes that possible

[cyan pasture]

doing ed2 for Raidian unlocks

[woeful anchor]

oh then rosesalt and waaifu is good

waaifu for -atk

against the foot

[cyan pasture]

ahhh i see

[woeful anchor]

then rosesalt gives ur units time to heal instead of being 1 tapped

[cyan pasture]

mainly just used raidian's drones to bait the foot

putting them clump together basically

[slate hull]

oh, the bait will always die instantly, the debuffs and healing are for the other attacks

[grizzled nexus]

Huh, well thank you duck

Finally have enough voucher for Stove tongbao

[cyan pasture]

Ahhh i see, thats fair

[slate hull]

waai fu debuffs the attack of whoever she hits, so you have time to deploy her after the foot comes down, but before it starts doing the slam attacks

rose salt s2 turns all received damage into damage over time that lasts 5s or something like that, so that is pretty big for avoiding team wipes

[sly harness]

https://is-central.github.io/is6-sui/low-rarity-recommendations/

you can check this for IS6

https://is-central.github.io/is5-sarkaz/low-rarity-recommendations/

and there is one for IS5

[stray dove]

Saileach in this economy meta?

[woeful anchor]

yeah sail was used in ccb4

[gaunt bay]

sail good

👍

[lost anchor]

surely this is good in is6

got 6 mf hoshi out of 9 6s

[vagrant spade]

can someone let me borrow their maxed out tragodia?

pls

[prime mountain]

Very good yes

Get her s2m3 as well it has use cases

[lost anchor]

🫡 omw to s2m3

will s1m3 cause might as well. she e2 90 pot6 already anyway

[prime mountain]

I dont think in the very small amount of cases you use her s1 the masteries change anything

[nocturne cape]

Dont think so

[lost anchor]

true, just doing it cause game has never fucked me as hard on a banner

[nocturne cape]

But pot6 hoshi will come in handy

Shes looking insane in expanion 2

[lost anchor]

no haruka in those 9 6s

[prime mountain]

p6 hoshi with spark haruka, yep the classic

[lost anchor]

I stop at 175 I need to keep some saving

just coping no haruka

[prime mountain]

Max pot hoshi in 175 is crazy, dw bro haruka will spook you next banner

[severe oasis]

cube do i need to pull more hoshi pots cube

[slate hull]

I don't know if I should skip Haruka, how relevant is she in IS?

[nocturne cape]

no

[cold fjord]

op that was insane in pre dlc and dlc1 is still insane

[severe oasis]

thank you cube

[cold fjord]

i am shocked

[prime mountain]

Good unit is good

more at 11

[nocturne cape]

shes not potgated by anything but -2dp is always welcome

ngl

i might give up max pot saki to try to pull for max SA alter ngl

crazy unit

[prime mountain]

He's that good?

[abstract marsh]

gaming

[nocturne cape]

that good

at least get pot2

12dp will be comfy

his pot3-pot5 is kinda ass

[abstract marsh]

😂

[prime mountain]

Fun stage

!

[slate hull]

ranged only, I tend to avoid it if I don't have e2 raidian

[sly harness]

in the worst case -4 and aside from that free

[abstract marsh]

the music is pretty good

in almost all stages

[slate hull]

liquid dnb mixed with traditional Chinese music was unexpected, but it goes hard

[prime mountain]

Surely leizi relicless can kill duck...

[sly harness]

Ente has better chances but still she won't

[prime mountain]

Yeah that was t1 faceoff moment

[sly harness]

Unless you have starting DP and SP

You need to abuse the 10 seconds of afk if you want to kill the duck without cc

The gvg playlist which I sent yesterday is in a much better state now

[prime mountain]

Thank you, I noticed some links werent correct so thats all fixed now?

[sly harness]

There are still 2 clears missing

But I need to record them...

[prime mountain]

Which ones are they? Might have an opportunity to someday

[sly harness]

This is hard like vouchers rng then Hours rng, then finding a stage and not being bricked by any forced collectible

Breakthrough B (the Masses' Travels enemies one) 2 attempts

Timing for this one are probably insane I am not sure how to recreate it

And Unreflecting B (3 Masters one) this one is easy but I need to actually find this stage relicless to record it

It is currently missing on the original playlist because on d18 you can't clear it with just the two of them

[slate hull]

I just found out there is an unreflecting B, I always go for that stage because it is basically free, I never knew it had a harder version

[prime mountain]

The 3 masters version is honestly easier IMO, dealing with full power hammer bro can sometimes be kinda rough

Or the archer, whichever is left

Man how the fuck do people get consistent win rates on class squads

1 guard voucher

the whole run

0 vg

[steel relic]

Well your supporter being someone not named Raidian was your first mistake

[prime mountain]

The only supporter voucher I got was from starter

And I didnt get extra hope start

Couldnt even have drafted her

[steel relic]

[lost anchor]

don't you want an e2 start so you can rob or sum

[prime mountain]

Nah, you want to save so you can candlehold an already e2 unit

If you play raidian she can rob e1 anyway

[sly harness]

Not getting the first voucher on f1 just bricks you

Then for the second you you have shop rob, f1 Bosky cope and pathfinder fight

[lost anchor]

[sly harness]

Theoretically if you have your own ente the most rng resistant thing to do would be opening with e2 Leizi

[prime mountain]

Does e2 leizi shop rob?

[sly harness]

Then you can rob the shop (but shop rob without e1 Ente is harder) still take Pathfinder fight and theoretically cope first 3 floor without second Guard and save you candles for f4

[slate hull]

I have been running ground breaching for exu2 + raidian start (with kettle), but I have been thinking about switching to other squads because the only thing I am getting is a good early start and a lot of hope to spend if Shu shows up

[prime mountain]

That sounds more like skill issue than squad issue

[sly harness]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ACaVzVEhr/

[prime mountain]

IS6 is like very tech heavy

[sly harness]

I will try to record e1 p1 Ente + e2 p1 Laizi + Roberta + Purestrem

[slate hull]

I am not saying I can't win, I'm mainly saying the benefits aren't that great, it is mostly an option you pick for comfort, not for max efficiency

[sly harness]

Shop rob

[prime mountain]

Try def/supp raidian hoshi then for even more comfort maybe?

[sly harness]

But I will probably just go for -1, leakless with p1 Leizi is very cannot RNG dependent

[nocturne cape]

correct

the breaching squads are relatively underwhelming

[prime mountain]

Would it be worth to draft someone other than leizi here or no?

[slate hull]

yeah, I have been thinking about doing coin squad or voucher squad

[sly harness]

You have e1 Ente? And this is f1 Shop?

[prime mountain]

Yes

[sly harness]

Draft Leizi to shop rob

[prime mountain]

I know the leizi on left side, whats right side strat? Entel roberta and pray?

[sly harness]

Leizi left if she has at least p2 it should be leak less

[prime mountain]

She does!

[sly harness]

So place here like on the linked vide

Use her skill as fast as possible second skill when the first lancer appears

Don't rush Roberta

You may use first Ente S2 on Leizi

[prime mountain]

Cause of talismans ya

[prime mountain]

After first skill before 2nd?

[sly harness]

Yep right after the first skill when she has enemies in range. It will also clear Talisman if she has one on her

Than time Roberta S2/Purestream S2 to counter cannot buffs

[prime mountain]

Oh this is pretty consistent yeah

I can remember this

[sly harness]

You can place Purestrem as fast as possible to get her skill up

Ente clears Talismans really fast

This should be very consistent, personal I only encountered problems related to my Leizi being p1

[prime mountain]

Then if no guard voucher you enter f1 bosky to try and get one right? otherwise you save candles for f2?

[sly harness]

Yes. This will be quite cope but if you don't want to risk playing for f4 Bosky this should be a good thing to do

[prime mountain]

The foot can permanently eat tactician summons lmao

[paper notch]

Tattered pillar situation

[sly harness]

now everthing make sens

I was wondering what was going on here

they most likely "fixed it" by making it untargetable

[prime mountain]

Nah, the summon wasnt a target either

[paper notch]

it was targetable last time i tried

[prime mountain]

Like I just tried here and it wasnt targeted

[paper notch]

hmmm

[carmine token]

cuz aoe??

[paper notch]

funny

[carmine token]

n it forces to retreat, but summons are unretreatable

so they just poof outta existance

[prime mountain]

Raidian summons work no? or am I tripping

[paper notch]

they do ye

[prime mountain]

I dont use her, wouldnt know

So why tactician summons dont work

Did they really just not want beanstalk to be OP here

[paper notch]

honestly probably

[carmine token]

tactican summon are unqike

[paper notch]

if tactician doesnt work then likely anti beanstalk tech 😭

[carmine token]

u can have only one of them n they dont cost deployment limt

[paper notch]

doesnt seem unique enough to me to not be targeted by sui foot

[prime mountain]

use beanstalk s2 > foot targets her summon

would be so good

[carmine token]

n cant be retreated by u unless u retreat the main op

[prime mountain]

Huh I just traded a risk coin into itself

what

[carmine token]

summons from summoner class can have many summons take deployment slot(if they dont any special buffs) n a retreatable

[carmine token]

troll

[carmine token]

sui foot hates crabs

[slate hull]

does foot targeting only work on stuff that takes up deployment slots?

and Raidian's proficiencies somehow bypass that

[paper notch]

no, raidian summons are targeted

[prime mountain]

No I think beanstalk summons are just considered pseudo summons

[slate hull]

I mean they take up slots by default, but there is a proficiency that makes them not take up slots

[prime mountain]

Like, trag cat wont bait the foot

Has to be actual summons from summoners

[carmine token]

do we have a blockade in is6?? if we had would the foot target it

[errant siren]

Rosmontis Pillar will bait.

[slate hull]

I have seen it in the shop, but not tried it on ed2

[paper notch]

we do ye

[errant siren]

Yes, and that's the only exception (?) the Sui Leg won't target it anyway.

[carmine token]

💀

but ros pillar is bait ig

[slate hull]

right, I'm dumb, Wis summons also get targeted

[prime mountain]

Wait what

Yeah ok

ed2 is just inconsistent

[errant siren]

Yes

[slate hull]

if you activate s3 it instantly makes the foot go for her

[sly harness]

Tragodai Cages are targtable

[carmine token]

another spaggeti code by hg

[prime mountain]

It might be intentional

But idk

[nocturne cape]

my guess would be since beanstalk summons aren't retreatable units they cant be targeted by foot

[sly harness]

but i think that they brick him so he targets them but won't atack them

[carmine token]

ig foot cant target unretreadable units

[nocturne cape]

this is a known mechanic, we know this from Hook, Line, and Sinker

[prime mountain]

Oh it doenst retreat shieldguard

mhmm

Ok wait what

It works on beanstalk summons if there's a regular unit and there's a lot of them?

[paper notch]

that's what im saying

i remember it working

[prime mountain]

It ONLY worked because entel was there

What in the spaghet

[paper notch]

huh

lmao

[carmine token]

they are summons by s2, n and are retreatable ig???

[carmine token]

tis was not the orig summon by beanstalk

[gaunt bay]

Hi furrilo

[prime mountain]

Hi kiwi!!!!!

[prime mountain]

The middle one is

it counts for multiple units IF there's a regular unit nearby

[carmine token]

yea but it doesnt target it, by logic target the unit the units with most stuff near it

[prime mountain]

It is the one targeted though?

[carmine token]

its targeting the one closest the blue box

[prime mountain]

Either I'm schizo or you're schizo bro that is not the one

[slate hull]

hold on, is it targeting the bottom one? wouldn't it get more kills by targeting the one in the middle

[carmine token]

thats what im saying

[nocturne cape]

Is your original beanstalk summon the one being targeted?

[carmine token]

u can retread the summon during beanstalk s2 ig

[nocturne cape]

If not, this is working as intended

[carmine token]

i dont think it is

[nocturne cape]

Untreatable units are still part of the calculation, but they themselves cant be targeted

[carmine token]

its the bottom one

[prime mountain]

This is the OG

[nocturne cape]

So this is correct

Since it wouldve targeted the bottom one since its the unit that is most grouped

But it cant

[carmine token]

so it cant target unreateable units

[nocturne cape]

Yes

But they are still part of the calculation when considering who’s the most grouped unit

[carmine token]

but when the foot stomps and kill something it forces them retread, but tactioner summon cant do that so they just vanish

[prime mountain]

Ok I dont understand this though

Summon is diag left of blue box

It was being targeted when I had another summon below it

I removed it, now naran is target?

[nocturne cape]

This game sucks

[prime mountain]

true...

[nocturne cape]

Now that feels like a bug

[carmine token]

if that was true then the medic would been a target

[slate hull]

I have had something weird going on recently where it was targeting 2 ranged operators with nothing else around them instead of 3 fish, so I kept deploying fish and somehow 5 fish made it target the fish

[carmine token]

prioraty?

[slate hull]

actually, I think I had to retreat somebody in a completely different part of the map to deploy a fish, so maybe that also affected it

[prime mountain]

So something weird going on with the updating whenever you add or remove units?

[carmine token]

yea ig, n tactions summon screw with the targetting

spagetti code 😭

[slate hull]

I think it was something like that and it just refused to go for the fish, not sure if it was a bug or something else

[carmine token]

wierd the foot should have 3x3 detect range

[prime mountain]

Ok so this on ed2 is just crazy no

Left side enemies get more hit count

Boss gets 30% more stats

[stray dove]

you just discovered that that's one of the more dangerous Hours?

[sly harness]

just roll higher

[stray dove]

people keep bitching about the Talisman triple class Hour

that they didn't even see Shen-Chu

[slate hull]

maybe it considers roadblocks valid targets if they are near operators and that is why I needed 5 fish, but I'd need to test this again to confirm if I am dumb or not

[sly harness]

or combain it with 25% more damge for no Candeholder and get the d18 experience

[prime mountain]

mf just killed my rose salt and waifuu combo

wcyd 🥀

[carmine token]

2 3 talisman with tis hr is hell

[stray dove]

Ssu....Nung

Shen Chu + Ssu Nung is still worse

F6 for 3rd hour? The SP deployment loss

[sly harness]

they are talking about 1 class Talismans (because they play on low difficulties)

[carmine token]

then it should target them???

[stray dove]

those are the real difficult Hours

[prime mountain]

Oh shit thats it, they dont get targeted but count for enemy limit

Same as beanstalk summons

(except the one case above where that was just a bug seemingly)

[slate hull]

cube said "Untreatable units are still part of the calculation, but they themselves cant be targeted", so I am wondering if that applies to the roadblocks in the map

[prime mountain]

It would make your situation perfectly logical

[slate hull]

because that would have counted as 4 targets around #2

[prime mountain]

Bottom left cluster of 4 units

We learning elite knowledge with this one!!!

[sly harness]

tbh you don't even feel it because you have 0 SP anyway

Hours are most painful f2 because they can break many f2 Bosky matchup

[stray dove]

yeah thats why I don't do Turmoil F2s that much

unless forced to

[sly harness]

Talismans, + DP, - SP

[stray dove]

I only want F2 Bosky for shop + vouchers

[dusk creek]

I‘ve had beanstalk crab get targeted before though

[sly harness]

then it mainly comes down to the +30% stats one being annoing

[dusk creek]

I don't think it's about the summon being untargetable

[sly harness]

you need to do f2 Bosky if you want to win d15 23

[prime mountain]

Scroll up, the summon alone isnt targetable, but if a regular unit is in the nearby tiles they can

[carmine token]

the s2 crab summon can be targeted

[dusk creek]

ya I saw your pic

it doesn't have to be the s2 crab summon

[sly harness]

so what about this?

[prime mountain]

Only targeted if another regular unit is in the nearby tiles

The beanstalk summon alone doesnt count

[dusk creek]

apparently the foot targeting quirk is related to some bug regarding skadi tear summoning logic

[prime mountain]

To fucking what now

Copy pasting code????

[dusk creek]

it's to do with some shared logic wrt finding the tile with the max number of surrounding units

since both skadi tears and foot use that logic

[carmine token]

[carmine token]

ig blockages are units

[stray dove]

they are. it triggers Charcoal mask ffs

they also get stunned

[prime mountain]

And as always, all roadblocks do not behave the same

because of course

[stray dove]

different designs, different purposes

one is already there and was built for Vernal Winds gimmick

[carmine token]

[stray dove]

the other is a flexible drop

[carmine token]

wtf how, no wonder why ange can heal them

[sonic sable]

Rob?

[prime mountain]

On f3 yeah it should be easy

[stray dove]

just visualize that anything that helps us

is a friendly unit/ally

they just happened to not follow our orders (retreat)

[prime mountain]

No but I mean like, some of them straight up dont take relics

Unless I'm remembering wrong

[stray dove]

i wouldn't be surprised

they do code some shit differently

just to avoid specific interactions

[carmine token]

could u clip though the stone if its stunned

[prime mountain]

Im pretty sure someone has a clip of that somewhere yeah

[stray dove]

i think the Vernal Winds roadblocks don't get stunned cause iirc they counter Thief Dog badly

although i do remember Rosmontis swords getting stunned. But that's counted as a summon anyways so that's to be expected

[prime mountain]

Oh yeah same for the deployable ones

Well the tactical props one I mean

[sonic sable]

Today i learnt cannot can heak foot

[prime mountain]

[carmine token]

??

[nocturne cape]

gramophone can also heal the foot

xd

[prime mountain]

It can also damage it!

goes both ways!

[carmine token]

oh heal

[nocturne cape]

ikik

the take ed2 prereq on F2 and enter Guardian of Justice strategy

[carmine token]

most secret broken unit(max hp based atk)

[sly harness]

Fisherman can pull the foot

[nocturne cape]

🫡

[sonic sable]

??

[prime mountain]

When the may doesnt go according to plan

[carmine token]

wtf can the foot stomp on him??

[prime mountain]

Where stun

[sonic sable]

E1?

[prime mountain]

This is so evil

[carmine token]

no foot for u

[stray dove]

May's stun is in skill, wasn't it?

bad luck on procs?

[sonic sable]

Its cuz u did not buy may skin

[prime mountain]

Its rng 🥀

[stray dove]

wait

[prime mountain]

30% chance

[stray dove]

is she using S2?

[prime mountain]

She's on s2 yes

[stray dove]

just making sure

[sly harness]

it becomes invisible, at leat in the rare variant (I haven't seen this interaction in normal yet)

[carmine token]

what

[dire lake]

lukas

explain end 5 to me

[slate hull]

I have even seen operators become invisible, the fisherman does some goofy stuff

[carmine token]

obv the fisherman, fishes a secret hr to give to ur ops

[sly harness]

something between Amiya and Qui'lon on steroids

[dire lake]

HUH

ok so

[sly harness]

it has a lot of variants

[dire lake]

what's the gimmick to acquire it and then how to play the bos- oh.

fuck,

[sly harness]

like t1-t3 egg

but there is more and they are significantly different

[dire lake]

i heard the previous ending bosses show up

[prime mountain]

Oh my goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

[nocturne cape]

yes

if you play harder versions

[sly harness]

The combat itself is quite chaotic and requires a lot of scaling even if you play according to the mechanics. If you don't follow the mechanics, the map becomes a terrible mess.

but before it appears on the global server, some decent strategies will surely be created

[stray dove]

I do love that Ed5 feels like a proper raid boss again

[prime mountain]

I love you godblessed tongbao

[desert brook]

yourdidit

[sly harness]

I usually skip it, I love my Ingots more

[carmine token]

now u get lapipi alter for burn :ya:

[prime mountain]

I got surtr and just kept the voucher for candle later

Is this crazy

[carmine token]

just roll risk

[stray dove]

I skip it because I love getting to choose my operators.

[prime mountain]

Nuh huh, let god take the wheel

[carmine token]

just gamble harder to get good ops

[prime mountain]

HOLY F-

I forgot knight lance

[carmine token]

dont u need the relic for dusk encounter

[prime mountain]

Well I need ed2 legend which is not showing up

amazing

[carmine token]

[prime mountain]

Its behind the one fight I cant clear, the usual

wcyd

[carmine token]

f5

[sly harness]

what fight?

[prime mountain]

The bird fight

I have all melee

[sly harness]

ah

2 attempts (tbf i have no idea how to time this shit relicless)

with Leizi and Ente

1 with + Amiya

[prime mountain]

Yeah I shouldve went for it on 2 candles, I just prayed that the other nodes would have it in a corner somewhere (they didnt)

[slate hull]

can ente put the spinning thing on leizi when she is in the air?

[prime mountain]

Yep and it hits air

Huge tech

[slate hull]

I have seen it done with contrail, so I had a suspicion, that is pretty cool

[prime mountain]

Its unironically core to entel leizi open

[carmine token]

the same way ros s3 can hit drones if a skyranger is blocking an air unit

[prime mountain]

This map got hands damn

[dusk creek]

so beanstalk's original summon doesn't contribute towards unit count but her s2 summons do?

is that the tech

[gaunt bay]

Entel solos trust

[prime mountain]

+30% apparition buff on EM version of that map is huh

oops everything is dead

[gaunt bay]

Too endfieldpilled

I dont wanna play is

[prime mountain]

nooooooooo come back

[gaunt bay]

I will in like 2 weeks

[prime mountain]

This mf just 2 shot my hoshi

How ass is +30% apparition damage

[gaunt bay]

Furrilo known ed1 exploder

[prime mountain]

Nope nuh uh this is fine

[gaunt bay]

Yu draft e1 hoshi

[prime mountain]

Yu was temp cause godbless

!

[gaunt bay]

🫃

[prime mountain]

(godbless unironically fucked up my draft)

[carmine token]

nah, they should both count but s2 summon can be targetted

[prime mountain]

Yeah ok no I blew up

[gaunt bay]

[carmine token]

[gaunt bay]

Furrilo known ed1 exploder

[prime mountain]

I had like 6x stack drum coin but somehow haruka and rose salt e1 couldnt heal shit

Crazy

[gaunt bay]

Rose salt draft into ed1 technology

[prime mountain]

It was supposed to be ed2 but I just kept playing

[prime mountain]

Cause balls

[dusk creek]

I think it's s2 summons count but the default summon does not

that's why the default summon can only be targeted when there's a surrounding op

because the surrounding op is the one contributing the unit count

[carmine token]

the default summon cant be targetted me thinks

#is-station message

[dusk creek]

if you count the number of units in the 3x3 box, the top summon has 5 (including itself), the bottom one has only 4

so this supports the idea that the default summon doesn't count towards number of units

like you can see here beanstalk should be target if the default summon counts, but she isn't

[prime mountain]

Explain this one though

Regular and summon near the medic

Naran alone gets targeted

[dusk creek]

oh

that means that both the regular and s2 summons don't count towards number of units at all

[prime mountain]

No they do otherwise waifuu wold be target here no?

Inconsistency

Im boutta break your brain

[dusk creek]

so over here, that particular tile is targeted cause there are two surrounding operators and there's a unit in the tile. the tile between waii fu and entel is not selected because there's no unit

[prime mountain]

its just bugged

[carmine token]

thats directly contractis the statment i send

[paper notch]

ohhh wait

i think maybe it just checks each 3x3 area

but it has to have a target in the middle

like the summons dont count

but the summon can act as a bridge between 2 ops

[dusk creek]

yes I think it just selects the tile with the most surrounding friendly units, and the requirement is that there has to be a unit on the tile

[paper notch]

and then the summon would get targeted

[dusk creek]

so beanstalks summons count towards the unit requirement, but they don't count towards the friendly unit count

[paper notch]

yeee

if someone can test having op-summon-beanstalk on the same row and see if it targets the summon

or if only s2 summons idk

[dusk creek]

this is the default summon but based on what furrilo sent the s2 summons should have the same properties

ie they don't count towards number of surrounding friendly units

[paper notch]

very interesting tech

[dusk creek]

beanstalk summon also does count towards the foot 6 unit sp thing

[carmine token]

hmm intresting

[prime mountain]

This is what we said like an hour ago

🥀

Bro wasnt listening

[prime mountain]

This is good info though

[carmine token]

new tech obtained

[dusk creek]

#is-station message

[languid vault]

wait which to e2 first

[dusk creek]

so beanstalk summons aren't treated the same way as roadblocks/other units

that's new info!!!

[languid vault]

oh wait no, I could recruit exu2 with this.. should I?

[faint rampart]

i think hoshi2 would be better for bosky

[faint rampart]

[languid vault]

idk who that is but okayy

[languid vault]

sooo.. do i?

0v0

[sly harness]

Hoshi always

Trag is fine e1

[dusk creek]

I was able to explain the "bugged“ interaction so yeah

[languid vault]

gotcha, just thought e2 trag is prefered cuz nervous impairment guarantee proc

[sly harness]

just collectibles

[languid vault]

ohh yeah

yeah no i prob should draft exu2 instead

sigh another run that'll fail

[sly harness]

if this is low difficuty run it will be easy

[faint rampart]

quartz :binoculars:

[sly harness]

e2 Hoshi + Trag will carry

[languid vault]

e.e

[carmine token]

e1 lvl1 quartz with lvl1 skills ☠️

[languid vault]

i DIDNT KNOW WHO TO DRAFT SHUSH 😭

[carmine token]

just conseve the voacher atp 🥀

[carmine token]

use the secred tech called conseving voachers

[sly harness]

Luo or Windscoot

Yan

[languid vault]

best guards I could recruit is my built mylnar and leizi2, but idk how to use em for is6 cuz everything is just unga bunga bonkers

[languid vault]

oh windscoot gotch

[carmine token]

the unga bunga was is5

[sly harness]

he can be e0 lv1 and even then he will help with Doubts

[languid vault]

oh?

[prime mountain]

Even built I rarely get much actual usage out of him or luo but like, better than nothing at all

[prime mountain]

Doubt nodes which require 2/4 yan units

He is yan

[languid vault]

does the game have a page where I can see who's yan or not

[languid vault]

conveniently in-game, but if not thats fine too

also i just got a defender voucher 🫠

do I draft yu

[prime mountain]

Save this on your desktop somewhere ig

[remote badger]

yes ofc
operators files

[prime mountain]

If you have plenty of hope, hoshi/shu are fine and I personally dont like yu

[remote badger]

which u have to check every single one

[sly harness]

no. save Hope, skip on Gummy

[languid vault]

ok

[prime mountain]

https://tomimi.dev/en/recruit
Alternatively check this shit out

Goated tool

[languid vault]

yeah no i keep failing these runs, prob due to incompetent choices and placements

[languid vault]

oh interesting

[prime mountain]

Gotta select Yan and Lungmen faction for full list

[prime mountain]

Of fucking course I rolled the stupid fucking +dp hour of sui

Hol' up im fine somehow

[sly harness]

Dodge ig

[prime mountain]

I have extra initial dp from something cause I could deploy surfer at 12

[carmine token]

woohoo

[prime mountain]

Wait wait wait wait

Do they not steal dp if they hit a shield

is that the thing

[sly harness]

i think if the Rocks dodge the shoots the dp steal wont happend

[prime mountain]

Holy tech

Dodge includes shield too ig

[sly harness]

possible

[prime mountain]

This is what I have so

It would seem so

[sly harness]

I skipped it (the relicless Bosky grid can't be stopped)

[carmine token]

game really gave u that good of a shop on relicless

[prime mountain]

Game senses the relicless fr

[prime mountain]

I just used leizi s3 and sui's foot as a range extender to hit the bottom guy with lightning

My genius is intermitently frightening

[carmine token]

tech

[compact gorge]

I've done that before

Leizi s3 fun to use

[faint rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1187001937686691850.webp?size=48&name=UN_PoincoSuspect

[prime mountain]

Oh great its the ed2 targeting + pseudo summons we were talking about

[stray dove]

oh you're done

unless you bait it, those shieldguards are gonna be deleted

[prime mountain]

No they dont

!

[stray dove]

wat?

weird

[prime mountain]

Yeah foot cant eat shieldguards

And huh scroll above we talked for like an hour on how they affect the targeting

[faint rampart]

[prime mountain]

I have +25% attack coin too its so over

[stray dove]

you really love keeping coins that fuck you over huh

[prime mountain]

I had it f1 and it did help early

But I didnt consider replacing it

[sly harness]

i have a Hoshi tech for that stage (but she needs some collectibles especaily with ed3 debuff)

you can place her on S3 to clear all 3 throwers on the left

[prime mountain]

Yeah she couldnt even handle one

😭

[sly harness]

Her red HP was almost full when I activated her skill

But gvg generally has an awful matchup into this stage

Manmade is significantly easier but also nontrivial

[prime mountain]

Just get +100% def after deployment yeah sure ofc

insane tech

[carmine token]

highrolling is the most broken tech ❗

[sly harness]

basically just covers the difference between f4 and f6 stats (this was f6)

the SP on hit was bigger becouse without it with ed3 debuff this won't ever work

[sinful sparrow]

@nocturne cape starting to think there are a lot of variance in terms of relic count for proxy

i was fucking around and one run i had 38, and the next had 27 after f3

[nocturne cape]

you're not wrong

but at the end of the run you have to try to aim for 70 or 80+

[sinful sparrow]

gonna try a little longer

[cold fjord]

aim for 300

[sinful sparrow]

Wtf ling loop

🫃

[halcyon flame]

yep -228

[ember hemlock]

do you need to kill the entire sui foot to unlock the ending? and does it only appear once?

[prime mountain]

You bring it down to <50% hp

shows up every stage until you get it there

[ember hemlock]

thanks

[copper orchid]

Was just using mon3tr skill and then i did the strat unintentionally

[inland elbow]

Gz

You'll now do it every time right

[copper orchid]

Too hard

I aint playing this by frames

[faint rampart]

finally got hoshi
now I'm free from e1 support hoshi schizo starter

[inland elbow]

gz

[woeful anchor]

ur still in modless hoshi jail tho

so did anything change

🗣️

[spare ermine]

You raise Hoshi Alter I raise Kichisei we are not the same

[woeful anchor]

i have e0 hoshi

shes benched until mod

now the question is do i raise fish eggs

@nocturne cape is fish eggs good for ed5

[spare ermine]

I only pulled Haruka but I'm not going in for Hoshi with savings

Need to wait for Nasti

[woeful anchor]

damn were the opposite

im aiming for hoshit

[spare ermine]

Well I wasn't going for Haruka or anything

I got her on the free 10

[cold fjord]

i don't think the haruka stonks look good

[woeful anchor]

fraud tier

[cold fjord]

even if it's early

but we'll see

[spare ermine]

She's still sitting at E0 1 and she'll probably stay that way

[cold fjord]

maybe she is good

[woeful anchor]

ive always knew healers are frauds

[spare ermine]

If I farm Supporter Chips they're going to Nasti not Haruka

[winter belfry]

just farm them for both

[spare ermine]

No

[woeful anchor]

fish eggs known fraud

[nocturne cape]

Meh

[woeful anchor]

i skip

i will be a hater

[spare ermine]

Fib

[woeful anchor]

i skipped eyja

[cold fjord]

yeah meh is what i think as well

[spare ermine]

What are you gonna do if our next cute guy ends up a healer 💔

[woeful anchor]

💔

i will max but bench

[faint rampart]

yes...now she wont leak on rat stage with her dog s2 and i can stop recruiting pinecone for f1

[cold fjord]

just draft

then kill boss instantly

[woeful anchor]

i thought ur a special squad player

[cold fjord]

and leak 153916314

👍

[spare ermine]

I don't even know what cute NPCs we could release from jail atp

I think we might be almost out

[woeful anchor]

playwright

the brown hair guy from titi event

[spare ermine]

Fib I've said this before but I think if it was gonna happen it would have happened with Tragodia

[woeful anchor]

idk name

adna alter

trust its coming soon

[faint rampart]

no more, texalt and yato feels fraud

[spare ermine]

Adna Alter dreams are dead

Killed by Fia's grandpa

[woeful anchor]

???

watafak

real?

[spare ermine]

Cause there were leaks that Adna was going to be the welfare for Exu2 Lemuen

[woeful anchor]

theres the npc where qb captured him

[spare ermine]

Instead we got random ass old guy

Very cool

[woeful anchor]

方小石

[spare ermine]

Oh you know what we could still get Faust and Mephisto in Endfield

I'm not that much of a coper that was a joke

[woeful anchor]

this guy

idk en name

very cute

[woeful anchor]

both dead zzzzz

theres kriede too but hes also dead

this stinks

[spare ermine]

Technically we could get anyone with Oripathy in Endfield as one of the skinwalkers

So it's not totally dead only like

99.9% dead

[woeful anchor]

💀

thats krazy

[spare ermine]

The cute stocks are going down

What a shame

[faint rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1360873961847525392.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=pepe_blush

[woeful anchor]

we have fang xiao shi

surely

right

next yan event

bro

cny

trust

[spare ermine]

Btw this means they could cuck Mandragora copers again

Which would be very funny

[woeful anchor]

who?

[spare ermine]

Yeah exactly

[faint rampart]

faceoff sucks

giving me ranged tiles when ground enemy and ground tiles when ranged enemy

[woeful anchor]

skill issue tbh

🗣️

[faint rampart]

:ReallyMad:

[nocturne cape]

In this case play the left most option

Theyll be the opposite

You still get 2 tongbao and a voucher

Better than a regular combat

[faint rampart]

surely figurino can do flower

[faint rampart]

yeah prolly the safest option

[nocturne cape]

Omg reed vanguard

[faint rampart]

isuckisuckisuck

[woeful anchor]

minimalist and figurino wtf

why is bro drafting twinks

:lappphone:

[woeful anchor]

:sus:

u didnt use the correct figurino skill

[faint rampart]

s2?

[woeful anchor]

oh u used s2?

yeah s2 use there

[faint rampart]

yea

bind

[woeful anchor]

why does ur screenshot show s1

[faint rampart]

placed him near flower and got eaten

[woeful anchor]

cigarette emoji

[faint rampart]

idk

everyone seems to be on s1

[odd spire]

does expansion 2 have more funny f6 stages like em mount and seas or em inferno?

[gaunt bay]

Cube dalao

[nocturne cape]

no new f6 stage

there is a funny f5 stage tho

featuring ursus bear from ch16

[odd spire]

huh

that sounds pretty terrifying

[nocturne cape]

yeah i think it's one of the hardest f5 stages

[odd spire]

💀

[cold fjord]

dlc 1 added 2 sets of stages for some floors

instead of how they usually just add 1

so dlc 2 just has new stages for the floors that didn't receive new stages

so no new f6 bullshit

which is kinda unfortunate tbh
I kinda liked how insane the design for f6 em's was

[winter belfry]

whoever designed where be mounts and seas em doesnt want to see humanity prosper

[woeful anchor]

someone doesnt own exu it seems

[woeful knot]

i designed that

[nocturne cape]

my goat is casually hitting for 10k

[stray dove]

In IS history?

[nocturne cape]

No in IS6 lol

[stray dove]

wut did they add that friendly-firing bear with Reapers or Grudgebearers?

ah

[faint rampart]

arts only