even if I'm doing an ASPD ingot run, I'd take it
#is-station
stray dove
brave moss
thanks. Idk if the boss and enemies in ed1 boss are Apparition Enemies or not
nocturne cape
Pram, Hoshi, Raidian, Exu, Mlynar, Myrtle, SA alter are crucial imo
nocturne cape
Oh trag too
faint rampart
wtfrick
raw hemlock
all three failed attempts were because I was NEVER able to get a supp voucher after starting so I never got Raidian, and then all the enemies just kept slamming me and marching into base between f1 and f3
brave moss
even if I'm doing an ASPD ingot run, I'd take it
how can you aim to do specific run? restart until you get the atsp relic in shop>?
stray dove
what makes you think you need it to win?
the run just happened to be an ASPD run
all I'm saying is
even if I need to save as much ingots as possible
I'd still sacrifice them
to get Fire Poking Stick
inland elbow
Pram, Hoshi, Raidian, Exu, Mlynar, Myrtle, SA alter are crucial imo
Bro listed off the whole ass banlist
nocturne cape
Dam right
faint rampart
casters yay
stray dove
so Geexu in terms of taking advantage of scaling relics?
winter belfry
kinda pog with gnosis
stray dove
noted. I'll get both in SAlter's banner
brave moss
to get Fire Poking Stick
but the relic is free? i get it from the 3 options encounter (unles you mean buying it from shop)
stray dove
but the relic is free? i get it from the 3 options encounter (unles you mean buy...
it ain't from my experience
heavy pumice
oh pram2 got a glowing in is6
hmm interesting
nocturne cape
I have no doubt in my mind that SA alter is in fact the most important banner for IS6
Total game changer
Both of them
stray dove
you sacrifice a huge fraction of your total ingots
to get Fire Poking
amazing if low ingots
annoying if ASPD run with high ingots
gaunt bay
cube how piss is ed5
raw hemlock
so uh...
stray dove
Ed5 must be a handful
nocturne cape
Yes but you dont need M3
winter belfry
ah
raw hemlock
How do I do the scary new map
this is literally ALL I have for this run cuz it's tourist squaddddddddd
nocturne cape
Which one? Is this F1?
brave moss
to get Fire Poking
i am talking about this though?
raw hemlock
Which one? Is this F1?
Compassion, Justice, Valor.
sinful sparrow
sinful sparrow
Pram, Hoshi, Raidian, Exu, Mlynar, Myrtle, SA alter are crucial imo
so basically just my usual drafts
winter belfry
this is literally ALL I have for this run cuz *it's tourist squaddddddddd*
How though
nocturne cape
Draft more operators
sinful sparrow
smole
stray dove
i am talking about this though?
oh it says apparition too. hah!
winter belfry
Why are you not drafting anything
nocturne cape
You cant really expect to win with just 4 of them
heavy pumice
maybe have a solid reason to sleep on any banner until sa2 banner
kjerag sibling my goat🔥
nocturne cape
so basically just my usual drafts
Yes
raw hemlock
How though
I got shit nodes this run, I was BARELY getting battles on every floor!
winter belfry
Are you doing bosky
earnest shuttle
Greed has no bound, he prob saved all the recuitment voucher for pathfinder instead
sinful sparrow
idk man
sinful sparrow
candleguests aren’t very important if you’re running ed1
brave moss
can anyone help me with this, pls? I always die in this stage
winter belfry
Just restart
stray dove
i am talking about this though?
truth be told I'd prefer picking the Candleholder flavor if you have that option.
sinful sparrow
🥀
raw hemlock
only 1 battle f1, 1 battle f2, bosky gave me DOUBT NODES GALORE and I only got two battles on f3 before the boss
sinful sparrow
can anyone help me with this, pls? I always die in this stage
wis s2, trag s2, raidian s2
hope this helps
winter belfry
can anyone help me with this, pls? I always die in this stage
wis s2
faint rampart
switch to wis s—
winter belfry
easy stage
faint rampart
ugh mika is faster
stray dove
can anyone help me with this, pls? I always die in this stage
Raidian S2, Trag S2, Wis S2 solves that too easily
heavy pumice
Yes but you dont need M3
pram2 need her mod or nah?
grizzled nexus
Or ethan S1
stray dove
all 3 are amazing furniture killers
nocturne cape
pram2 need her mod or nah?
Yes
stray dove
with their S2s
winter belfry
placement?
heavy pumice
max or?
winter belfry
where else would you put wis
nocturne cape
Max preferred
stray dove
where else would you put wis
middle right
brave moss
where else would you put wis
i am thinking about the middle
winter belfry
only 1 battle f1, 1 battle f2, bosky gave me DOUBT NODES GALORE and I only got t...
Just restart its not ideal to letting a shitty run fester 🫡
rotund compass
Fidget spinner
nocturne cape
IS, gen content, you name it
brave moss
Fidget spinner
is this with ling node abuse?
rotund compass
Yes
heavy pumice
ok
this is hillarious, afk that been shunned all the time turn out have use case in hard content
nocturne cape
Cant believe i was shilling nymph over her
sinful sparrow
fool
nocturne cape
Can we kill the past cube
heavy pumice
maybe its time to be careful about afk slop!!
faint rampart
rip the 2025 cube
sinful sparrow
i was gonna ask about ed2
raw hemlock
Just restart its not ideal to letting a shitty run fester 🫡
I'm gonna at least try so I can see what I'm gonna be hit with next time
sinful sparrow
but then i forgot it’s just exu abuse
earnest shuttle
accept your past and grow as a person
sinful sparrow
Smile
earnest shuttle
or grow as a cube
stray dove
so what you're saying is, at least Caster voucher ain't fully dead since Pralter exists. But of course no more worth past that (let's not consider Logos right now since we're talking minmaxing)
nocturne cape
With the amount of power rn ed2 is not a huge concern
sinful sparrow
Maybe exu ban will still be okay
heavy pumice
yes krill cube
stray dove
Sui Flower over Sui Balance if very VERY desperate for tankiness
although that would feel so shit with Ssu Nung + Ed5 route relic
so Bait, how is it feeling.....the combination of Ed3 and Ed5 relics are quite the handful in paper
heavy pumice
With the amount of power rn ed2 is not a huge concern
guessing is mantra dead for IS6?
raw hemlock
*I'm gonna at least try so I can see what I'm gonna be hit with next time*
Oh... forgot I had obj shields
sinful sparrow
With the amount of power rn ed2 is not a huge concern
do you still take 3 combats F1
stray dove
guessing is mantra dead for IS6?
was she even alive? The only time I considered Mantra value is RA CC where mob density is absurd
faint rampart
Oh... forgot I had obj shields
congrats
sinful sparrow
and i was playing 3 combats during dlc1
nocturne cape
I do too
raw hemlock
im taking that as a half-win
faint rampart
I GOT TWO OF THE BOSS GUYS DOWN TOO
you better got vouchers saved up for f4 combats 
nocturne cape
But coupon are so valuable now
sinful sparrow
cuz of shops?
nocturne cape
Since d18 modifier
sinful sparrow
i think coupons are even more valuable with the ingot squad
nocturne cape
No your rerolls now scale infinitely
sinful sparrow
No your rerolls now scale infinitely
wym
winter belfry
guessing is mantra dead for IS6?
realistically shes the best caster pick after pram
nocturne cape
D18 coin toss
brave moss
No your rerolls now scale infinitely
the tongbao reroll?
sinful sparrow
yes? what about it
nocturne cape
1, 2, 3, 4, etc
raw hemlock
you better got vouchers saved up for f4 combats <:CeobeConfused:1151875108844097...
caster, guard, and elite hr voucher
uhhhhhhh
winter belfry
esp with how demanding AoE is in this IS
faint rampart
> caster, guard, and elite hr voucher
uhhhhhhh
maybe restart....?
raw hemlock
o hey it's that funny map with the guys with fire
heavy pumice
was she even alive? The only time I considered Mantra value is RA CC where mob d...
idk, thats why i am asking
i know mantra have strong utility power in her kit
just where/how can be used consistently?
sinful sparrow
understandable
stray dove
idk, thats why i am asking
i know mantra have strong utility power in her kit
ju...
RA CC...
stray dove
imo
nocturne cape
She’s surprisingly decent E1
faint rampart
i mean its not bad but idk how far you getting in boss fight with that
nocturne cape
But thats it
heavy pumice
outside that?
raw hemlock
maybe restart....?
i wanna see how far I can go with a lot of the run's RNG against me
nocturne cape
Like the trag combo is theoretically good
winter belfry
Honestly mantra seems like a better pick than logos in this IS to me
nocturne cape
But in reality its trag doing the heavylifting
winter belfry
could be wrong though
nocturne cape
Maybe
stray dove
outside that?
none in my books. Her value skyrockets with more targets. Every other content that's not RA CC don't have consistent mob density
sinful sparrow
you draft neither anyways
stray dove
and she's ass with few enemies
nocturne cape
Logos is pretty meh
sinful sparrow
draft pram and go to sleep
raw hemlock
<:ExeNaruhodo:838716844076564480>
sinful sparrow
lovely
heavy pumice
nocturne cape
Wait, Logos attack can miss right? Since its ele bar based on damage dealt
winter belfry
yeah so you just draft pram and ignore all caster recs 
heavy pumice
the baseline is mob density and dmg
raw hemlock
if I explode so be it, I just wanna see how much it takes before the game finally sends me into the snowstorm
heavy pumice
that is very rare occasion indeed
nocturne cape
Pretty much tbh
winter belfry
Wait, Logos attack can miss right? Since its ele bar based on damage dealt
Yeah
faint rampart
if I explode so be it, I just wanna see how much it takes before the game finall...
how much you've grown up🥹
nocturne cape
Since shes good at e1
heavy pumice
i like mantra tbh
both design and kit
it just.... yeah not much place she could shine
stray dove
i think of her like Dota's Earthshaker
without mob density
there's really not much value
she still has something to bring to the table
but the damage won't be there
raw hemlock
how much you've grown up🥹
part of it is sleepiness eating my scared 
nocturne cape
Except no refresher orb 😭
raw hemlock
other part is me wanting to try and steamroll against all odds
raw hemlock
and another part is me being full of chicken noodle soup (my mom made a bunch and it's really good)
soup of power
faint rampart
other part is me wanting to try and steamroll against all odds
relicless
raw hemlock
and i got a spec voucher from that battle
but ak get in the squad right now
i miss having the reserve op squad
elite voucher gives a chance to instapromote hoshialt
I GOT THE CHANCE
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Anyway I should have a better chance now
heavy pumice
seem like i have to start sa2 banner propaganda :ya:
raw hemlock
Okay that's a funny way to take out the last explody hammer enemy (hoshialt s2)
died to the spinny shield
stray dove
there we go. I'm ready for SAlter, Pralter, and Sakiko (only building her because she's a 6*, not because I'll use her in IS).
raw hemlock
aaaaaaaaaaand the EM node afterward had a mimic in mizuki's attack range so there go all my ingots yayyyyyyyyy
stray dove
unless you have an ASPD run
or don't rob Cannot F1
you really shouldn't be all too affected
by losing ingots
raw hemlock
unless you have an ASPD run
...I have the coin boosting ASPD.
stray dove
at least not to the levels of IS5 Lamp Chalice req
raw hemlock
with ingots
stray dove
...I have the coin boosting ASPD.
acceptable
you ain't dying from a loss of ingots that low imo
woeful anchor
shouldve mizooked harder
stray dove
then that means you still can recover
inland elbow
there we go. I'm ready for SAlter, Pralter, and Sakiko (only building her becaus...
you can really tell which class is a complete bum from my chips
trail spear
Clearly its vg
inland elbow
true most vgs are fraud tier
nocturne cape
Damn he didnt bother saving his guard and medic chips
Ig guard and medic are two fraud classes
lost anchor
Clearly saving for wave of goat tier caster releases
inland elbow
true
inland elbow
surtr alter gonna go crazy
dusk creek
supporters 😇
sonic sable
Speaking of are the units released after silverash alt banner have been relevant in IS?
inland elbow
lmao I have more medics e2'd than casters
stray dove
Hilariously, I've just finished raising every operator I have in Specialist and Medics just because it keeps flooding me with those chips in particular
inland elbow
I have more defenders too
raw hemlock
I can choose a voucher... medic or spec? I already have a spec one conserved
primal geyser
Why do i get so many shops whag I've never seen more than 3
woeful anchor
Speaking of are the units released after silverash alt banner have been relevant...
after silverash has been nasti only
inland elbow
nah bro tf has nasti actually done in normal is play
inland elbow
titi
trail spear
Think if you saw my lvl 90 units youd be convinced im a fraud
inland elbow
ur f2 tier
woeful anchor
titi isnt real bro
faint rampart
I can choose a voucher... medic or spec? I already have a spec one conserved
considering your ed3 pick gonna be haruka...skip medic voucher ig?
raw hemlock
yknow what i need a medic
sonic sable
Titty
raw hemlock
considering your ed3 pick gonna be haruka...skip medic voucher ig?
I'm just trying to get ANY ending with tourist squad, I'm not doing ed3 today!!!!
inland elbow
I remember when alyssal tried to ego me saying he had more level 90's
trail spear
Whats ed3 gimmick do i need any specific ops
inland elbow
so I booted up stream
trail spear
Wait no i mean ed4
inland elbow
and he got real quiet
woeful anchor
its cos aly sucks
faint rampart
Whats ed3 gimmick do i need any specific ops
balls
sonic sable
Wait no i mean ed4
Which is?
trail spear
I remember when alyssal tried to ego me saying he had more level 90's
Ive got p5 dorothy that i cant use in any is because there is no trapmaster support
raw hemlock
I've had too many fails in the past 5 hours to wanna do ed3 so I'm saving that for laterrrrrrrrrrrr
woeful anchor
wait for doro modA
faint rampart
raw hemlock
I'm pacing my gremlin activities in is6
trail spear
stray dove
I remember early CN players using Fia/Mayer to counter Mantas
heavy pumice
I'm pacing my gremlin activities in is6
good
sonic sable
Hmm good placement?
raw hemlock
that screenshot made me sneeze i think im allergic to wide dorothy
stray dove
until they realized Krooster starts were better
dusk creek
angle is to time travel back to is4 and run dorothy opener
trail spear
Is4 Dorothy sucks ive tried
Ive even tried is6 dorothy
Which is just "why do i draft her she doesnt solve shit"
faint rampart
now that i think about it, every dorothy owner ive met has her at max pot for some reason
dusk creek
she was okay in is4 actually
inland elbow
angle is to time travel back to is4 and run dorothy opener
diversity quota who ended up overperforming angle
dusk creek
like is3 copable
trail spear
<:RosThink:826566635313299466> now that i think about it, every dorothy owner iv...
Ive lost pity to her 6 times
inland elbow
I mean in is3 she was a solution to a serious problem (knight)
dusk creek
diversity quota who ended up overperforming angle
wasn't that is3
inland elbow
and didn't get outstatted
trail spear
I mean in is3 she was a solution to a serious problem (knight)
Yea then lee did it better
faint rampart
Ive lost pity to her 6 times
oof, i thought she's got good pots
trail spear
She doesn't
dusk creek
the dorothy knight solution wasn't trivial though
like you had to commit more than just dorothy
inland elbow
I mean same is true of red king solve no?
dusk creek
ya
inland elbow
I think it helped that specs were a lot weaker back then
you had lee, the limited frdp
and dorothy
dusk creek
that was pre izumik tho right
dusk creek
after izumik you would just draft lee cause he's better for end4
trail spear
Mostima being the only use of caster voucher and even then
Now logos is the other caster
inland elbow
I think it was just pretty much who came prepromo'd
inland elbow
like you didn't want to early draft either since they weren't good en route
dusk creek
that was when yato was best spec right
inland elbow
Mostima being the only use of caster voucher and even then
lin stun bomb 💯
ye weedy too
though I think she also fell into the "you took whoever came prepromo'd first" and then reacted accordingly
prepromo hool is an easy weedy
dusk creek
yeah I guess she was better cause it was still d15 stats
inland elbow
yeah yato barely 1-2 rounded so many things with pots it was crazy
inland elbow
though I think she also fell into the "you took whoever came prepromo'd first" a...
since weedy kinda sucked into knight
stray dove
and dorothy
when did Tex2 and Ya2 resurface?
I know Tex2 had a fallout in D15 IS3. But did Tex2 get any limelight as pick in IS4?
inland elbow
unless you got one of the relics that helped her
texas alt fell off even harder in is4 for the most part
I like her a lot in eternal hunting
but in other comps yato alter is kinda broken
because she lets you open under barometric/crisis
whereas texas gets goobed by collapse
dusk creek
tbf is4 dorothy was just a preference thing
if you hit specs it's fine but if you don't it sucks
esp since has bad baro matchup
inland elbow
ye, I think it's pretty obviously not an optimal pick
especially when spec vouchers became more competitive
but hey you made it work
and beat sena
dusk creek
a win is a win as miguel would say
stray dove
it's hilarious how Ya2 is just invincible in S3 until spin finishes and cannot be CC'd during S2
it makes her ignore most FRD cons
dusk creek
she technically had value as a stall tool for end2/4 in is5 but that implies you're playing speccas
wcyd when mines are affected by fractured
woeful anchor
in 4 she solves red king
she can solve yellow too ‼️
dusk creek
I looked at the sansheng tc6 run where he opened dorothy and he didn't even bring her to end4
😂
inland elbow
lmao
sinful sparrow
a win is a win as miguel would say
should’ve ddos’d your opponent into beating soup
smh my head
raw hemlock
Which coins should I try to have flipped?
carmine token
she can solve yellow too ‼️
im not sure ❗
sonic sable
So since the ed5 boss has 100 percent dodge what are u guys using to block him?
stray dove
Sapa, I don't even think we can get answers yet
at least not from Cube
i feel like they're still solving Ed5 before they make it any harder?
woeful anchor
im not sure ❗
she solves yellow same as red
"solves"
u just need to blockshift better
carmine token
u just need to blockshift better
nocturne cape
So since the ed5 boss has 100 percent dodge what are u guys using to block him?
Hoshiguma, Raidian S1, Tragodia S3
carmine token
simply ignore his dodge
stray dove
Hoshiguma, Raidian S1, Tragodia S3
oh yeah.....Hoshitter S3 (maybe deactivated to cycle through Raidian and Trag) and Trag S3 can pour in damage while Raidian S1 stalls for a good cycle of the others?
or is Hoshi using S2 and stalling the boss killing it slowly??
carmine token
shuo on d15+ deals prob like 1 gorilion dmg
pine sun
Reward/exp wise,
Is therr any difference between combat and emergency combat?
carmine token
Reward/exp wise,
Is therr any difference between combat and emergency combat?
em gives u relic on clear
faint rampart
Which coins should I try to have flipped?
prolly stove alight? or any of the flower coins idk not like you can control
brave moss
is pramanix prerita viable in IS6?
wet zealot
Is she worth with the amount of good ops in the supp voucher ? 😭
slate nebula
So, what is the lore of ED5 IS6?
Like what happen and what happens after you clear it
carmine token
Can't read cake fhinese
or do i, but u can look n see that see is a caster
brave moss
ed3 look so intimidating. Idk if i can do it to unlock raidian module 
faint rampart
its ez dw you can do it
brave moss
its ez dw you can do it<:RosHeadpat:924018400450195496>
i beat ed1 d6 with raidian to unlock her proficiency and it was super stressful, and d10 is harder. But thanks
static dragon
the boss use weiqi/go/othello mechanic
brave moss
the boss use weiqi/go/othello mechanic
i read about the boss mechanic. that why i said it look super intimidating. Watch youtube clear and it look super hard even with good collectibles.
faint rampart
i beat ed1 d6 with raidian to unlock her proficiency and it was super stressful,...
uhh the balls can be problematic first time i guess (?)
if you can take care of them at the start then the stage's intimidating part is over
brave moss
uhh the balls can be problematic first time i guess (?)
if you can take care of ...
maybe i can go with ingot squad and restart until i find chalice in shop 🤔 . But yeah i should unlock the last raidian proficient by doing ed2 with 5 candle bearers first
faint rampart
uhh dont do that...i mean
wheat ridge
I literally would take this, than any other risk coin in my bag.. If i can choose it manually
faint rampart
you can still beat it without chalice
brave moss
I literally would take this, than any other risk coin in my bag.. If i can choos...
i like gift of accord in shop cause i can buy it then reset shop and buy another coin to replace it
brave moss
you can still beat it without chalice
thanks for the encouraging words
brave moss
<:RosHeadpat:924018400450195496>
support squad + exu2 is the most reliable way to beat ed2, right?
faint rampart
is that the squad with free raidian at start
uh oh its the special squad, but yeah exu+raidian should be able to make it pretty easy + you get f1 shoprob
stray dove
it's the same meta as the usual suspects
pastel saffron
and squads
stray dove
Wis, Geexu, Trag
as for squad, any dual class brings too much hope econ
your choice which
pastel saffron
That I know I meant like the other drafts
stray dove
hmmm
pastel saffron
like IS5 has M3
stray dove
Maybe Ya2 as another pick, Haruka value
pastel saffron
I even forgot how to get the endings, its been so long since I played it
pastel saffron
what are guard voucher picks
mlynar or leizi?
or both
and do I pick degen here
stray dove
Ulp i reckon is valuable
pastel saffron
idk ulpi performance either
magbe I need to try everything
Also lemon would use s2 or s3 for phantom
he had dodge ignore right
I reckon s2
sly harness
can someone tell me IS2 meta rn
Narantuya for ed2, Angelina + Archetto for ed4
Use class squads
Sniper/Medic or Caster/Specialist
Other are bad
pastel saffron
Narantuya for ed2, Angelina + Archetto for ed4
oh yeah I saw relicless bear with nara s2
lost anchor
Will sakiko cook is2
pastel saffron
we use s2 right?
pastel saffron
Will sakiko cook is2
prolly should, she scales with relics
and every IS have them
it will be hard to find an IS where she's bad
Ig IS3 but every ground unit is bad there
sly harness
we use s2 right?
Yes
lost anchor
Tru
pastel saffron
Other are bad
what's wrong with gvg? ig for defender medic its understandable coz defender has no one but hoshi
but gvg has lots of picks
sly harness
Non of the ops is exceptionally good into the bosses
And the bosses are the hard part
Normal stages on floors 1-4 are generally easy, f5 scaling can hurt a bit and then bosses are where you will die without a good draft
stray dove
"GVG has a lot of picks" ngl that sounds like when IS2 was new and there's no IS3
it might've been somewhat truthful
sly harness
Idk about Hoe, Mon3tr is quite good, Sakiko will probably be fine but her ed2 matchup won't be good
pastel saffron
"GVG has a lot of picks" ngl that sounds like when IS2 was new and there's no IS...
I mean there are many good guards
and vanguards have Ines, later Sash. I rmb flags being useful early IS2. Mumu perma bind hmm maybe thats not useful
stray dove
many "good" guards
not great
not amazing
you'll just get more value in other dual classes
sly harness
Archetto works fine as an opener then you can add early on Kroos, Steward
pastel saffron
how the mighty have fallen, back in the day even thorns was good draft
now we have zuo, mlynar, leizi, degen, ulpi and they are just ok 
sly harness
Mon3tr will be instantly promoted
pastel saffron
I see
stray dove
how the mighty have fallen, back in the day even thorns was good draft
now we ...
E2 Thorns start was pretty decent back then...
sly harness
Also when it comes to Guards I would probably pick Degen for S2 over Hoe
stray dove
Ulp over Hoed in most ISs
pastel saffron
E2 Thorns start was pretty decent back then...
I actually used to do ling or thorns start and did all endings at the hard diff and maxed battle pass
stray dove
well thats the advantage of no-D15-18
pastel saffron
is hard diff equal to d9?
sly harness
Ulp over Hoed in most ISs
Non of them in most ISs 
stray dove
that's your reward
for clearing Hard Mode
it just skips early difficulty progression
maybe HG believes that's where OG Hard Mode is ranked
pastel saffron
it should have been d12+ I feel like
I have to do a lot of wasted runs at low diff now
sly harness
Nah the old hard mode was like d4-d8
stray dove
Thats why d8 is "cleared" if you beat hard mode
stray dove
idk why they didnt do d18 with IS2 when they did it for IS3
IS3 imo was done d18 for one reason
The d16 relic
They wanted to update is3 with that relic
But thats the simplest way to add it
So far from what I'm seeing, IS3 is the exception
pastel saffron
so will they do it with IS4, maybe smth that can remove collapsal paradigm, like IS6 got that where u cam remove hour of sui
stray dove
They want D18 on new IS while older ones are D15
My dude removing paradigms is already a thing
You can lower the levels
Even a squad is made to kill it in Perfect Clears
Dont hold your breath on IS4 D18
Not when IS2 was given D15
sly harness
In IS4 they only can make them worse
pastel saffron
Even a squad is made to kill it in Perfect Clears
aside from the squad ir still hurts ngl
stray dove
Thats the point
pastel saffron
and that squads hope econ is so bad
stray dove
Whats the point of floor debuffs you can erase easily
sly harness
Currently IS4 is the easiest max difficulty (and the most annoying, the RNG alter endings...)
remote badger
or else collapse-maxxing is a thing btw
stray dove
IS3 always ruins everything:
- The only 3* free recruit IS that has D18
- The only IS with a level cap 15 lvls higher than everything else
Muh patterns!
stray dove
I actually used to do ling or thorns start and did all endings at the hard diff ...
The old days
pastel saffron
Currently IS4 is the easiest max difficulty (and the most annoying, the RNG alte...
I personally think IS5 is pretty easy too with amount of rng minimisation and guides we have
but I could be wrong
atleast as much as I played it, it was not that hard to win
and with IS6 people have so big win streaks again
halcyon flame
Strictly speaking if your just going for the win then yes IS5 is easiest
The baseline for winning in IS5 is very low but its ceiling cap for the hardest combination is high
pastel saffron
The baseline for winning in IS5 is very low but its ceiling cap for the hardest ...
so 245, I think if u do 135 it's significantly easier
remote badger
so 245, I think if u do 135 it's significantly easier
yes
potent gulch
What is the purpose of ed5 boss snake like body?
Is it just to prevent u from deploying there?
sly harness
You can't damage the small boss when they are on the field and irrc the big one gets damage taken reduction
And they are the reason for infinity spawning enemies
pastel saffron
Yes but we only do 245 in IS5
I personally think end4 is the hardest thing here ngl
Maybe I am just inexperienced
sly harness
I personally think IS5 is pretty easy too with amount of rng minimisation and gu...
I was ofc competing tripe ending in IS4 and 245 in IS5, like with max difficulty I also assume hardest combination of endings
potent gulch
You can't damage the small boss when they are on the field and irrc the big one ...
Oh i see
rotund compass
The problem with IS5 i think
- Run are too short few combat tile and game basically tell you to stop before you get too much op and relic
- Too much rng unlike previous is (when you can either brute force or rng your choice) now if you get ling tile no one can stop you
- (Some) Boss locked behind rng
potent gulch
Ed5... Kill the mini boss too fast b4 releasing other mobs
potent gulch
Lose alot of LP in process
pastel saffron
I was ofc competing tripe ending in IS4 and 245 in IS5, like with max difficulty...
so IS2 24, IS4 23(?) People seem to think Sentinel>Kings, IS3 24, IS5 245
Yeah ig IS4 is easiest, as for hardest idk, maybe it's IS3, if ur not going for weedy beatinh izumik is like
bsl has insane hp regen too
remote badger
The problem with IS5 i think
1. Run are too short few combat tile and game basi...
the few combat nodes are usually player's issue when playing lamp btw
sly harness
Only ed5 is rng
And on average you will miss it like 1 in 5 or more runs ig
pastel saffron
the few combat nodes are usually player's issue when playing lamp btw
The relic which re rolls ur combats into emergencies, do people do that
there should be a lot of hope in that
potent gulch
I been trying to clear ed5 is5 with the golden egg relic (which give the most dangerous buff to enemies)
remote badger
they do especially in tourneys
potent gulch
But failed much
sly harness
so IS2 24, IS4 23(?) People seem to think Sentinel>Kings, IS3 24, IS5 245
Yeah ...
You do 3 + 4 in IS4 but idk whether 1/2 is harder there. People usually consider 2a to be harder but I guess if you roll 1a just take it instead of risking getting normal 2
remote badger
the whole ingot talons gameplay on 245 are just skillfully get chalice/chivalric/toy
pastel saffron
You do 3 + 4 in IS4 but idk whether 1/2 is harder there. People usually consider...
wait u can do 34 in IS4? wtf
how
potent gulch
I hate the sui mimic chest
pastel saffron
So wait
remote badger
or scout f3
potent gulch
If u have like hundred ingot, the mimic gourd become insanely tanky and 1 hit kill ur ops
pastel saffron
who will be the f5 boss
pastel saffron
so u can do 234 IS4
potent gulch
Why
sly harness
If u have like hundred ingot, the mimic gourd become insanely tanky and 1 hit ki...
IS6 mimics only stacks up to 10 times (30 Ingots)
remote badger
and ofc not a green fold to combine it
pastel saffron
u have to pray for an encounter node to spawn on f6
and after beating sentinel on f6, u will have a f7 with red kings?
omg
I need to beat it this way
remote badger
if u do the reqs for ed4 on f6
pastel saffron
Sounds pretty hard
sly harness
Not that hard but very rng
pastel saffron
if u do the reqs for ed4 on f6
if we do it on non f6, ig u dont get sentinel
Damn hg intended this
sly harness
The saddest part is when you roll no encounter + Gardener f6
remote badger
and no love
sly harness
so IS2 24, IS4 23(?) People seem to think Sentinel>Kings, IS3 24, IS5 245
Yeah ...
From what I recently seen the no feed starts for IS3 ed4 are still quite reasonable even on d18, and acid cancel + perma Nymph stall is also a thing
IS5 245 will be most likely the hardest, you can play it with a Lamp comp and become quite consistent at it but nowadays people on CN are moving into forcing t3 egg so Talons which is much harder to learn becomes the most sensible option
sinful sparrow
lamp gets you a win with “good enough” power
woeful knot
starve izumik has been really good ever since pram released
sly harness
lamp gets you a win with “good enough” power
Lamp will give you the power you need, you just need to learn the pathing and matchups of a given composition
pastel saffron
starve izumik has been really good ever since pram released
u still hole izu right?
damn no ange izumik is still haunting me
pastel saffron
u starve him so you kill him
omg
I can finally do it
pram freezes everyone ig
I can kill everythibg with wis + lemon?
sinful sparrow
Lamp will give you the power you need, you just need to learn the pathing and ma...
i hate routing
everytime i play is5 i lowroll :realmad:
steel relic
Your mistake was playing is5
brave moss
uh oh its the special squad, but yeah exu+raidian should be able to make it pret...
yes that one. I only see f1 shop rob with tragodia and raidian?
stray dove
I use Raidian and Humus
that applies to every squad
if I used special squad, I'd have Raidian + a 6* of my choice
foggy heath
Generally, which skill is better to use for Raidian?
carmine token
s2
foggy heath
I'm still strying to beat diff 4 thrice
For the love of Frosty
I swear beating diff 4 thrice is my final objective in IS6
I can't take it anymore
slate hull
yeah, s2 is the general purpose one, s1 is for tanking and s3 is for ranged and arts
foggy heath
yeah, s2 is the general purpose one, s1 is for tanking and s3 is for ranged and ...
Doesn't matter the ending, right?
I plan to beat diff 4 in end 1
slate hull
end 1 you can pretty much solo with fish if you get the right relics
although I guess you might not have proficiencies and skill levels
foggy heath
Nope
My Raidian is E2 69 Skills sl7
No mod
Mastery 1 is the final goal
Because I can't stand IS
And not a guarantee I will ever use Raidian
Even Phantom is collecting dust
carmine token
Even Phantom is collecting dust
cuz he is washed
slate hull
there is a specific upgrade that makes summons not use deployment slots on floor 4 and above, but you can only unlock it on d6 or higher iirc
foggy heath
there is a specific upgrade that makes summons not use deployment slots on floor...
I actually got it in diff 1 before. I'm sure of it. I notice the summons cost 0 DP
slate hull
that is a relic, I am talking about proficiencies, expert fighter 1 or whatever it was called
foggy heath
that is a relic, I am talking about proficiencies, expert fighter 1 or whatever ...
And to achieve this proficiency, I need to beat diff 8 up to 10
Smth I'm not willing to do
faint rampart
yes that one. I only see f1 shop rob with tragodia and raidian?
no you can do f1 shop with raidian+ bunch of other low rarity, any 6*(trag/exu) prolly just makes it easier
||atleast for that diff ithink||
brave moss
no you can do f1 shop with raidian+ bunch of other low rarity, any 6*(trag/exu) ...
i should watch the f1 shop rob vid again. thanks
unreal crater
what are the common IS4 starter operators for 6 or 7 hope
faint rampart
i should watch the f1 shop rob vid again. thanks
https://b23.tv/8FTr5yI
best i could find with exu
brave moss
https://b23.tv/8FTr5yI
best i could find with exu<:CeobeConfused:115187510884409...
ok thank you so much 😄
sly harness
what are the common IS4 starter operators for 6 or 7 hope
Class squads and instant e2 Exu2/Degen
Another day another insane highroll
brave moss
Another day another insane highroll <:DocSmile:1213036172524126240>
how can you get so many collectibles?
sly harness
~40-50 is an average in a good IS6 run
split void
Maybe F1 rob, but sometime you just get so many
sly harness
Get a good carry who can clear Turmoils on f2 and snowball from there
split void
Just play more. Maybe try to do Doubt quest in Wiw
brave moss
Get a good carry who can clear Turmoils on f2 and snowball from there
turmoil is the red node in bosky right?
split void
Turmoils sure get so many good stuff
sly harness
The fights
split void
Just play more you will know what to choose
Like the 1 Hope choice when we have Wiw node
sly harness
This run was "a bit" above average
"a bit"
split void
I did choose it when started playing IS6
faint rampart
we have to kill this highroller
sly harness
This is a skill . It will be my 6th d15 gvg (Raidian, Exu, Wis ban) 23 win in a row
hazy swan
Is starting with hoshialt in is6 a viable strat
faint rampart
e2 or e1
sly harness
she should be able to clear everything on f1 even on e1. on e2 with some help she can rob the shop
faint rampart
she should be able to clear everything on f1 even on e1. on e2 with some help sh...
what are your other picks with her
sly harness
for def/sup class squad you play e1 Tragodia start + e2 Hoshi from the first vocher to rob the store
hazy swan
Still struggling to beat d2
faint rampart
oh
faint rampart
i thought e1 hoshi with snip/caster mb
sly harness
Trag + Hoshi have a good matchup into f2 Bosky
sly harness
Still struggling to beat d2
Wis or Exu alter shoud be the best picks
faint rampart
Still struggling to beat d2
might wanna read the guide in pins, if already done then good luck
hazy swan
I just don’t know how to beat some stages
Or I get unlucky and get a hit count stage without ethan
sly harness
Or I get unlucky and get a hit count stage without ethan
Wis S2 is good against hit count
hazy swan
No w unfortunately
There’s this one stage
With those 3 porcupine things and you have to hit it from the front
Then on the top lane there’s like a speeding boar
How do you even beat this stage
remote badger
raidian
sly harness
Normaly Raidian will solo it but you don't have her yet
hazy swan
E2 radian?
sly harness
just ignore the middle if your draft is weak
hazy swan
just ignore the middle if your draft is weak
Leak them?
hazy swan
How have I never thought of that
remote badger
not a big deal
hazy swan
Thank you
remote badger
especially in is6
pastel saffron
Then on the top lane there’s like a speeding boar
exia and hoshi are pgood there if u dont have raidian
hazy swan
Usually whenever I get that stage I just never have a vanguard
So I can’t place anything in time
pastel saffron
u dont need one
exia doesn't cost as much dp
if ur using trag u need him and blocker
sly harness
this stage starts with just the sheeps
pastel saffron
not really, U place exia either top side or bottom
I place exia opposite of talisman side
I think sometimes they are top
sometimes bottom
till that point u should have some blocker
the stage doesn't rush u as fast
even ascalon works
hazy swan
even ascalon works
RNG luck is terrible
pastel saffron
the fastest rushing stage is I think its called the three difficulties or something?
hazy swan
Usually never get specialists
pastel saffron
RNG luck is terrible
what type of rng yall getting
hazy swan
Dude I always keep getting medic vouchers
pastel saffron
raidian is usually a must draft tho
hazy swan
It’s so frustrating
sly harness
Amiya
hazy swan
I can finally make use of the overflowing medic vouchers
pastel saffron
medicmiya is good yeah
faint rampart
hazy swan
I mean I’ve had my account for almost a year
pastel saffron
yeah its fine to leak when u dont have good ops to draft
pastel saffron
I mean I’ve had my account for almost a year
how have u not beat story in a year
1 month tops
sly harness
It took me like 2 years to finish ch8
pastel saffron
sly harness
But I was up to date with chapter 9+ and other stuff
pastel saffron
Wait but where would I place the blocker
it depends on what u have tbh
usually with raidian every summon is the blocker
hazy swan
S1?
pastel saffron
s2 is fine
pastel saffron
aside from boars no one is stat checking s2
pastel saffron
pastel saffron
Just gotta leak the porcupines
u can kill them too u need a strong dps like exoa or wisadel
or raidian even
hazy swan
Maybe it’s about time I started looking at YouTube clears
pastel saffron
I infact never had to leak this stage
hazy swan
Just been banging my head against each stage
pastel saffron
The one which can sometimes cause me to leak
is the stage with canon
it can rush u
without vanguard
hazy swan
And those 3 sheep
pastel saffron
the sheeps can leak
hazy swan
Yea I don’t like that stage either
pastel saffron
And ig the f3 flying boss if I dont have some ranged units
its hard to leak otherwise
hazy swan
I just place tragodia early and kill everything
pastel saffron
esp if ur shop robbing, u should be very strong
pastel saffron
yeah ig the woman
hazy swan
I keep hearing this talk about robbing the shop
sly harness
You rob because the shop is not guaranteed above f1
pastel saffron
Why would you rob though
u rob coz u get vouchers, command exp, a lot of relics, coins, hope
sly harness
In other IS have guaranteed shop f6 but not it his one (at least not pre dlc1 )
pastel saffron
with the extra ops and vouchers, u can draft good ops from f2 pathfinder
hazy swan
Just skipped the category when it came to robbing cause I thought it was some expert level stuff
pastel saffron
anf enter f2 wonderland
and make quick wkrk of it
with class squads
the voucher will be of class u chose
hazy swan
You gotta fight cannot later though right?
pastel saffron
no
hazy swan
Or am I confusing stuff
hazy swan
the voucher will be of class u chose
ANY
sly harness
Nah this is like IS4 Cannot
He only buffs enemies
In the fight
And f1-f3 shop rob stage is quite chill
sly harness
If you do it blindly you will die btw
hazy swan
Oop
sly harness
The fight is quite chill but not easy to figure out
hazy swan
Ok I’ll read the guide first AND then
You have to fight him to rob???
Okay no that makes sense
pastel saffron
ANY
like if ur playing defender supporter squad
very high chance he has those in shop, u can insta promote from first voucher
what u basically do is start with a borrowed raidian + exia + myrtle
then u take the path with most combats to shop, then u buy all good stuff from shop, and refresh it. If u have any leftover ingots. Invest them, dont buy anything after refresh
After ur done robbing, on f2 pathfinder, u can instantly e2 with 1 voucher ur first defender like hoshi, and use supporter voucher to promote raidian, ur set from the start
if u get sniper voucher, recruit wis or smth or spec voucher take exia e2
hazy swan
lemu is still a good draft with sniper right?
Heard that a while back
Didn’t know the squad you started with influenced the vouchers in the shop I thought I was just unlucky
Thank you ice
sly harness
Wisadel >>> Narantuya >> Ros (ig) >> Lemuen (but you basically never go past Narantuya)
And low rarity options are May and maybe Greyy
sly harness
So I would in most cases skip the sniper voucher. Although if you only run for ed1 probably Lemuen will be fine
hazy swan
IS6 is still easy in lower difficulty
I don’t think lemu would be terrible on a d2 run
I don’t think I’ll ever draft her though for the sake of saving hope
Thank you lukas
pastel saffron
lemu is still a good draft with sniper right?
she's good
hazy swan
Would love to use her cause she’s cute
pastel saffron
Wisadel >>> Narantuya >> Ros (ig) >> Lemuen (but you basically never go past Nar...
i think lemon is better than nara, nara is better for ed2 but otherwise me say lemon is a better pick
and ros is not above lemon like u cant even argue, the value of ros stonks in IS6 is down
stray dove
Wisadel >>> Narantuya >> Ros (ig) >> Lemuen (but you basically never go past Nar...
I remember Lemon might be a higher prio in IS3
solid lodge
any general tips for this stage?
pastel saffron
any general tips for this stage?
u need a vanguard and a blocker
remote badger
stall and kill the animals
stray dove
any general tips for this stage?
have a 3-blocker ready
lost anchor
Having invis reveal is nice
pastel saffron
Lemon can help deal with stages along the way and in ed3, she can solve a whole lane
on the tile
idk if nara can do that
especially when exia keeps marking enemies if u have her on the other tile
she's decent
sly harness
i think lemon is better than nara, nara is better for ed2 but otherwise me say l...
Nara is also better in Bosky. Ros will be good becouse she adds melee bodies if you lack them she has a multi hit and can use caster collectibles
pastel saffron
Me not falling for ros propoganda outside sniper medic
Nara and Lemon both are genuine drafts tho
if I am not going ed2, I will say Lemon>Nara, Lemon also good in bosky
just the fact she isnf affected that much by aspd, I can do the drone stage wifh her and exias barried so easily in bosky
sly harness
Personally, I don't take anything other than Nara. like i said you basically never go past Narantuya
pastel saffron
but ig its arguable, nara is better for hitcount too
tho after hoshi2, if a stage has hitcount u dont have issues just use her s2
or have ethan/asca
@nocturne cape what u think Nara>Lemon?
I personally disagree
remote badger
cube is sleeping lmao
sly harness
any general tips for this stage?
don't enter it without 3 block unit other then that it is easy to just win (ignore the animals)
sinful sparrow
naran better than lemuen
sly harness
just the fact she isnf affected that much by aspd, I can do the drone stage wifh...
Exu just do this stage with any unit to bait some hits
sinful sparrow
me when exu + any nerd works
pastel saffron
naran better than lemuen
wow me bout to get ratioed
gaunt bay
Lemuen kinda w/e tbh
sly harness
atk steal
it is very strong because it works on base stats
d15 Sui can go from 2896 to 1990 ATK
with just Nara
remote badger
the timings is real piss
stray dove
i just went with 4 ops cause i don't want to ruin my 620 4-peat with a 625 score
since it's permanently recorded
gaunt bay
trag raidian
Is6 ahh draft
remote badger
yep im not even lying
faint rampart
qani
remote badger
:3
heavy pumice
oh is2 doesnt have d18?
i tho they have it
anyway yeah back to bsl regen
that is menacing i imagine
pastel saffron
Yeah
I was surprised to see nara
plus I thought she would jave a lot of hits
which would make him explode a lot
but it all worked out perfectly
heavy pumice
no, s2 nara is her best skill
pastel saffron
no, s2 nara is her best skill
Isnt it S3
heavy pumice
no
sly harness
S3 is the best
heavy pumice
not at all
sly harness
You will only use S2 if the range of S3 doesn't suit the needs of a given stage
heavy pumice
idk why s3 best skill but no
pastel saffron
i just went with 4 ops cause i don't want to ruin my 620 4-peat with a 625 score
620 not possible with 3 ops?
heavy pumice
the nature of s3 is adjacent to her
something you dont want to have in ranged ops
stray dove
620 not possible with 3 ops?
it is but my Ines is lacking pots
sly harness
idk why s3 best skill but no
Much higher damage if the enemy is next to her
pastel saffron
it is but my Ines is lacking pots
is it the clear qith necrass ines and logos
stray dove
I don't have Necrass
i tried Ines Wis Logos
but Ines can't drop fast enough
in an integral moment
heavy pumice
i would say it best if naran have better survivability, but as far as i can tell she didnt even close to what phalanx do
pastel saffron
stray dove
I'm not actually gonna bother improving the low ops
pastel saffron
My Ines is Pot1
if ur doing necrass u dont need pots on ines
stray dove
simply because....
stray dove
my CCB1-CCB3 620 clears aren't anything impressive enough anyways
so I don't exactly need to tidy up my CCB4 clear
heavy pumice
Much higher damage if the enemy is next to her
exactly that, how often that situation happen?
stray dove
as long as it's 620, I'm good
pastel saffron
I actually didnt get to play ccb1, it was ground favour, was very sad to miss it
pastel saffron
oh that's actually a reason why I didn't try that
Hmm idk if u can 620 with that yeah
sly harness
exactly that, how often that situation happen?
I would say that relatively often e.g. ed2 and ed3, like half of the Bosky stages
stray dove
The only thing I'm bothering to be strict on. Max reward points.
heavy pumice
with s2 she bypass any of that 'situation needed'
with more or less same result
pastel saffron
The only thing I'm bothering to be strict on. Max reward points.
should have done 800 all instead
real shi
coz 800 is also consistent
and high enuff to give bragging right
stray dove
Nah. By CCB1, I think I was no longer caring about going higher in CC risks
hell i think I just spedran CC12
I have no memories of CC11 too
pastel saffron
I also kinda stopped caring when I saw cc12 needed me to build fucking shifters
🚮
pastel saffron
CC11 was ntrk abuse right
stray dove
it's about me liking IS and other Steam games more
that going highly dedicated to CC was no longer the move
pastel saffron
CC10 was very easy but good, I rmb using pozemka for it and getting r30 or 32
CC9 was cinema
pastel saffron
that going highly dedicated to CC was no longer the move
what I dont like about cc is that ur mostly following an inspo clear for high risk
Its hard to consider it a flex
u just need to copy
heavy pumice
off rec arent bad by nature it just... fearmonger or some anti mindset about it
pastel saffron
IS can be more skill based
stray dove
Its hard to consider it a flex
it's a flex to some....the ones that cleared it uniquely without copying
it's only for those people