is-station

[stray dove]

the same went with that glass cannon run against ed2

all i can say is, IS6 is very good in making a run be recoverable

just because there's many ways to get stronger

[sonic sable]

It it ur dck

[stray dove]

although Ed2 tends to be that single route that needs you to at least be tankier than usual

that is unless, i od what fish eggs deem possible. Have Exu and co be the only ones always in the map while everyone else cycles between stomps, with shorter gaps the longer the fight goes

[sinful sparrow]

So true

[stray dove]

Cube, btw, i only felt it, but what's triggering Ed2 from having stomps be faster and faster charging?

[sinful sparrow]

6+ units on field

[stray dove]

i only timed it based on Raidian summon replenishments and drops

oh so i was fueling that very issue

nice to know

6 huh....that's noted

[nocturne cape]

Yep checkout the tomomi page

Or check the enemy wiki

[faint rampart]

yippie ||no idea what happened now im sleepy ||

[nocturne cape]

Sui get sp regen when you have 6+ units on field

Summons included

[stray dove]

it was no issue since it took a long while before Raidian can't replenish faster than the foot can stomp. But knowing that helps a lot

[nocturne cape]

Ayy nice clear

[sinful sparrow]

less than -17

great job

👍

[nocturne cape]

Thats

A lot of sniper vouchers

[stray dove]

grats. What's cheeto for? Hoshitter S2?

[ancient jacinth]

use a macro to do tongbao tosses

oop wrong chat

anyways

[faint rampart]

wth mika not bullying today

[sinful sparrow]

0 reason to 🚬

[faint rampart]

uhh idk

ros s1 maybe? i wanted to try degen but ended up picking pepe and

[pastel saffron]

I actually like those tbh, I dont rmb IS2 much coz I did it long ago, IS6 is really good

I just dislike IS5

infact old ones are the only ones I played the most

IS4 is new to me

[stray dove]

part of the planning is choosing routes

there's literally no urgency or planning to be had

when you can't see shit

it's literally not a good element

even other good roguelites with pathing like StS or FTL

don't obscure the type of node you're getting into

[muted skiff]

i refuse to die

[stray dove]

like oh i need to get an L&F or a Scout. Nodes obscured. Aaaand right there and then, your run just ended because your 50-50 choice was the wrong one

its the same with ending routes relying on encounter nodes

I know roguelites are all about randomized elements

but the best roguelites know the tight balance of what's randomized and what's consistent

[ancient jacinth]

you know exactly where this is going

[stray dove]

you guys really are so addicted to this

[stray dove]

how did you manage anyways?

Ling loop?

[ancient jacinth]

ling loop is the most consistent

need around 1.5k stack to actually break through 7 digits

then I ascend

probably slightly less since I only calculated collectibles, ageless erudition buff and shining and not with skalter s2

might raise bryo, whiplash, and roberta just for the love of the game

[lusty mesa]

does 3 risk coin do anything extra

[stray dove]

no

although unless you have that turtle relic

I really don't get people who take Two River

[stray dove]

i guess it's just from my usual sweaty squads but most enemies die before they are blocked

and Two River is antithetical to that strength

[lusty mesa]

umm i dont know why im starting to get so many risk coin lol

[stray dove]

myka

you can....NOT take them

you know

two risk coins in choices? you can dip out

[lusty mesa]

i was just replacing coin that do nothing

[stray dove]

choose none

[faint rampart]

what the hell

[stray dove]

Dayans are better than shitty risk coins

[faint rampart]

bubble s2 main dps

[final gale]

no i want coins that have funny effects

[faint rampart]

time to die

[ancient jacinth]

burnt through 300 coupons and not even 100 retosses for strenous study

[final gale]

how yall got 300 coupons???

[ancient jacinth]

ling loop

[final gale]

man does this mean i barely scratching is6???

[carmine token]

true

[final gale]

what ling loop

[ancient jacinth]

the leisure node abuse

[stray dove]

it's rare to do

Ling is a rare proc in Desires nodes

[muted skiff]

4 ！

[final gale]

oh leisure

[stray dove]

and you need to constantly win the Risk option

[ancient jacinth]

(and have cocoon silk)

[stray dove]

with Ling to have a loop of resources

[final gale]

i havent visit leisure node that much

[stray dove]

it's not worth doing when IS6 already makes you a god with less

[carmine token]

tis ling loop

[final gale]

i still havent tried ed3... i hate there's something wierd how is6 maps are

[stray dove]

it's just you're new to it

it's easy to acclimate

[ancient jacinth]

oh wait I have sand shield and 700 shield

pluh

[stray dove]

hell, at least for now, there's less hellish F4-F5 maps in IS6

[carmine token]

+3500% hp allies

[ancient jacinth]

shit I should've gotten AH

ulpianus stats would've been absurd

[carmine token]

200k hp ulpipi

[ancient jacinth]

wait correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't used surtr

but doesn't additive max hp work against her s3

[stray dove]

no

she's gonna burn herself % wise

if higher HP actually solved her issue, we would've abused it a long time ago

actually let me check

it's not a matter of if it was useful. It's more like, is it even worth it

yeah it's % based

[faint rampart]

so i guess it becomes harder to heal it back to full

[stray dove]

the higher the HP, the harder it is

hell, it might be preferrable to have Surtr with lower HP just so the hospital can keep healing her easier

but that was so long ago when perma Surtr S3 is actually even "useful"

[ancient jacinth]

probably a good way to test how cracked mont3r s2 is in healing

ofc with ling loop

[stray dove]

it was already easier with Meyja's inclusion back then (Surtr was still a good option during those times but not even close to necessary)

[burnt hamlet]

ik this is impossible to ask since everyones already at A15 doing 3 endings in a single run in this channel

but what's the noobs best way to try and beat ending 2

[stray dove]

ummm no 3 endings in a single run ain't possible

we can't even confirm if Ed5 would allow us 3 ending runs unless it works like IS5

[burnt hamlet]

to the level yall talk about in here, might as well be

[sinful sparrow]

??

[stray dove]

ending 2....

for me it's the usual

Special Squad

[burnt hamlet]

it's pretentious as hell, if you arwent clearing a15 with your eyes closed youre basically too garbage at the game to even ask for help

[stray dove]

pick your best option of 6* since Raidian's free

Geexu would be the go-to

and then

try to get a lot of relics that bulk you up

as for the boss strats itself, it's gonna be a while

there's a guide in pins

on the boss strats

[burnt hamlet]

every IS ever

[burnt hamlet]

thanks

[stray dove]

not exactly

IS5 and IS6....in specifics can allow with....emptying out the pool

but that's rare

still shows how giving those ISs are in relic count

[ancient jacinth]

god this is like a botched lobotomy being performed from underneath my chin

this is excruciating

[carmine token]

whta??

[stray dove]

my dude, i get roasted here for doing d12s mostly

don't be too rough on yourself

[ancient jacinth]

almost reaching 250 tosses and I'm fighting the urge to get out of sui remnant consciousness to test bubbles

[burnt hamlet]

its everyone else being rough, like you said, being roasted at d12

[stray dove]

that's fine

[carmine token]

ppl here being a bit eletist

[stray dove]

not everyone here is willing to be a teacher

they just want to talk with their fellow sweatlords

truth be told

[burnt hamlet]

they talk in acronyms like it's a first language too lol

[stray dove]

not everyone is teacher-material anyways

the only acronyms i use is WiW

just ask what it is

don't worry about it

[burnt hamlet]

youre not who im talking about then

[stray dove]

i know

[carmine token]

yea, if ur dont play is alot u cant understand shi

[stray dove]

but try not to be disheartened

you either get lucky with who to ask or not

no one here has a job to teach people

just volunteers

[final gale]

but what if i cant play enuf coz im outside being slave to life

[burnt hamlet]

man even if you do play a lot wont help you here
a "lot" has a totally different meaning in #is-station than anywhere else lol

only other is maybe RA

[stray dove]

to begin with i feel like you need to at least do the new IS blindly

it's the most fun having it be this mysterious fresh start

[carmine token]

start being slave to ak

[stray dove]

then when you want to at least get to Ed2

thats when you ask

you did fine on that front

[alpine solar]

What is the best strat for this stage

[ancient jacinth]

then you lowk get fucked in the ass after trying to steal from a statue

[stray dove]

block the statuegeists' summon from escaping that tile

and kill the statuegeist asap

you don't want any platforms spawning

with platforms gone

[alpine solar]

Lack of ranged platforms hurts though

[stray dove]

dragons go to hole

and die

simplest solution

you have to take that con

no platforms means dragons eat shit

[alpine solar]

Ohhhh

[stray dove]

and die on hole

[alpine solar]

I see now thanks

[ancient jacinth]

btw what tongbao is worth an arduous trade

[stray dove]

hmmm

there. All those share the same "rarity"

good luck

[ancient jacinth]

shit

[stray dove]

lmao you really thought Trade would have a lower rarity?

tough luck

[ancient jacinth]

I shouldn't have ditched godblessed

[stray dove]

can't godblessed turn Dayan?

once tossed?

[carmine token]

anyways, do u think the new exp we can do triple

??

[sick mason]

Its pretty funny that these 2 came from normal caster vouchers

[carmine token]

it does

[ancient jacinth]

had a legend but yeah I wouldn't have known eitherway

[stray dove]

global or CN?

[carmine token]

cn obv

[stray dove]

maybe

if it follows IS5's format

of 5 endings

[carmine token]

u could do triple in is4 even with 4 endings

134 or 234

[stray dove]

that is a shit thing to try though

it took advantage of how the questline works

with Ed4

[ancient jacinth]

what do these degrade to

[stray dove]

lemme check

some degrade in rarity when planned

what he means by 12 ingot coins is the cost of the coin thus their "rarity"

so keep tabs that if you get Martial, Bustling, or Sinister

yeah

those can't be traded anymore

[ancient jacinth]

yeah not worth gambling a leifa

[stray dove]

they're degrading a rarity lower

[ancient jacinth]

shame

now should I spend another couple of hours stacking strenous study

hmm

[carmine token]

torture

[sick mason]

I wonder if anyone has actually ever properly get bell stacks via Leifa

[ancient jacinth]

hell itself

[carmine token]

hoshi2 s3

[stray dove]

it's confirmed it works at least

[sick mason]

Both are quite tempting

[stray dove]

by word of mouth here...

[carmine token]

spill is better in my opinion

[sick mason]

Once I got 14 coupons in a single combat

[void root]

hmm idk if duck coin actually grant better relic if we kill the stronger duck buddies

[stray dove]

Just take Spill unless you're doing Ed2 and don't have much HP relics

[void root]

[sick mason]

Destroying 7 statuegeists

[stray dove]

i don't know either. I know i beat that fast af Gopnik

but i never record if they actually gave more

all i know is, you get a Duck Lord member on the next fight

decent coin if there's no other choice to do and you got the damage

[sinful sparrow]

if you see a spill

you take it

0 questions asked

[sick mason]

Yes I know bloodshed spill one of the most goated

If only I have arduous trade and wanted to play some vertical here and there

[stray dove]

considering my relic luck

i don't take chances so i still avoid Spill if I'm doing Ed2

unless i got a confirmation that i will be tanky

like fucking Instrument

that's a great one

[carmine token]

ya

[sick mason]

What the f

[stray dove]

don't be surprised

he's doing Ling loops

[carmine token]

ling farming for u

[stray dove]

all I'm saying is

if you found Nian Desire grinding to be boring

[carmine token]

he is abusing a drunk woman

[stray dove]

Ling loop is MORE boring

[sinful sparrow]

stfu bruh

ed2 feet stomp is 5k damage d12

way below exu's shield

[faint rampart]

uhhh

has anyone tried lei fa punishment to cguest ops? like does it work or they just die

[sinful sparrow]

works

just heal them

(or exu s2)

its a very strong coin

[sick mason]

Ye protect their ass

[faint rampart]

so its not a scam coin, got it

[sinful sparrow]

leifa is goated

[sick mason]

Good to make operator to become candleguest without entering pathfinder

[carmine token]

it works but u have to heal them

[sick mason]

And also work to stack bells

[carmine token]

without healing they die

[sick mason]

But I guess you can only get one stack per one combat stage?

Does retreating them (after zapped 9 times) still making them candleguest?

Or let them stay on that tile until the stage is over

[faint rampart]

unfortunately no healer on f2
surely hoshi2 immortality

[stray dove]

here you are once again with this. Not everyone's squad can keep their team alive with just Geexu and another guy.
That is unless they know every ins and outs of Ed2's fight to cycle around.
And by that point, they wouldn't be asking here for information on a coin's worth.

[carmine token]

find out

[sinful sparrow]

how is it hard to just

use

raidian s2

to plug lanes

?

[stray dove]

and how to keep Raidian alive if no HP relics and WITH Spill?

i've played a run like that

lucky she survived from Shu's grass

but barely

Spill-less run too

[faint rampart]

this sussy looking tile i assume

[stray dove]

yeah

it has zappy borders

[carmine token]

ye

[stray dove]

thats the LeiFa tile

plan your healer

[carmine token]

no healer f2

[stray dove]

those zaps ain't nothing compared to Pathfinder's

ouch

[carmine token]

[wanton rose]

real

[faint rampart]

[split void]

Is it just me or that tile has always been put on top of enemies since forever?

[wanton rose]

should i buy swirealt guys

[carmine token]

he has hoshi2

[faint rampart]

spec competitive already
unless you join the exu2 ban club

[sinful sparrow]

...exu?

[stray dove]

So just Geexu and Raidian as the only mainstay, agreed.

tell them to do that then

and just redep the rest

need context sometimes

[sinful sparrow]

spreading hate because "but but what if i get fucked and no hp" is the singular most goober shit i've ever seen

you never skip it, you draft DR if you need to survive stomp and are scared

??

😰 d12 player know-it-all
i fear

[stray dove]

I've had Rose Salt die in Ed2. There's runs that will do that

should I e2 max so that doesn't happen, your majesty?

[faint rampart]

omg this real thanks for the help

[carmine token]

does lei fa stack with diff?

[sinful sparrow]

i am not taking any "i have had X" without proof

[stray dove]

it was the same run as me saying Shu grassed Raidian and Rose Salt

but Rose salt just has lower HP in general and got wiped

stomps were speedy enough that rose salt S2 can't be active every stomp

[sinful sparrow]

so basically it's your fault
got it

[stray dove]

all i ask is if you're gonna recommend something that "solves everything" try to give context

you just say Geexu solves Ed2

and dips

[sinful sparrow]

am i wrong though?

thats right

no answer

🫃

[stray dove]

did you tutor them on how they have to solve left lane or just leak 17?

or ed2 aggro?

[pastel saffron]

then ask them to elaborate, they can't type a parapgraph everytime

if anything this new gen is like "ai aint readin allat" if u try to explain

[sinful sparrow]

aint noone was asking how to play ending 2

all your ass was yapping was "waa waa bloodshed spill is very bad 😭 😭"

and i only refuted that

[stray dove]

ngl if they're here, they ain't that type of person. Although if they are, that would be hilarious

[pastel saffron]

are u banning exia don't let help folks see ts

[sinful sparrow]

mf keeps switching the goal post 😂

[stray dove]

Ed2, Ed2, Ed2

yeah no context at all

I take Spill in other endings motherfucker

[sick mason]

I'm still in floor 1 bruh

[sinful sparrow]

🫃 i think you're brain-damaged

read it again and stfu 👍

[sick mason]

Wild passion can make my blood boil at times

[stray dove]

i can't retort. Cause i know you accept that you are an asshole

so i do lose this conversation

[carmine token]

dont take it

[sinful sparrow]

better be an asshole to d12 warriors than accepting their misinfo

🫃

[sick mason]

Imagine grabbing duck coin and toss it at floor 2 💀

[sinful sparrow]

just kill

r u stupid

[carmine token]

???

[split void]

[sinful sparrow]

we will destroy you

[carmine token]

simply retoss

[split void]

I am not like in the close to final boss stage

Sure retoss if missed

[stray dove]

btw the fuck does this mean?
Unless you stated we are debating, I thought I was conversing with you.
What's a goal post? Like is that supposed to be the conditions you need to prove wrong or something?
Unlike other guys you might've experienced, I converse to learn or at least try to understand what the other guy's thoughts are supposed to be.

btw I at least want to thank you that you answered the 6+ allies condition on the faster stomps

that's helpful ngl

[split void]

This is the beginning of 5th floor

Not even gonna retoss

[ancient jacinth]

okay nevermind I forgot physical damage bonus relics

[faint rampart]

[ancient jacinth]

I only really need 500-700 stacks

[faint rampart]

"only"

[thin wraith]

Is there a way to get ed2 after getting this relic?

[stray dove]

yeah?

damage foot 50% or below

before you hit Prophecy

[ancient jacinth]

just mop the bastard that spawns until it reaches 50% hp

[stray dove]

you can do it in WiW

[thin wraith]

[stray dove]

you got Instrument

you ain't gonna be having any difficulties surviving the stomps

[ancient jacinth]

@heavy pumice yeah.

[faint rampart]

you get the hp of appearing body/foot down to 50%ish(?) and then you will get the ed2 relic iirc

[stray dove]

the foot also has persistent HP (not including its boss fight itself)

so you can keep chipping it through multiple fights

[faint rampart]

uh oh its already answered, mb

[thin wraith]

[carmine token]

[split void]

With 271 ingot, should I use geexu skill1 lv7 ?

Only have tongbao buff

[gaunt bay]

keep s2

[split void]

[silk crypt]

Hello IS station. I heard Hoshi Alter is great for IS6. What's her main skill/s for IS?
And are those skills also good in General Content? Or do I have to specialize different skills?

[stray dove]

S3

yes

no

[carmine token]

s3

the skill are great for gen content

and not really

it just a prefence

[woeful anchor]

3 2 for IS

shes not rly good in gen content rn

without module her dmg isnt anything special

[stray dove]

my dude

thats Logos damage in gen content

if we're considering her not good in gen content....what is she in IS?

[carmine token]

what u saying fib

[stray dove]

gen content is the lowest stat requirement denominator

[sinful sparrow]

not even 1 hit

u suck

should've done the loop a little longer

😔

[ancient jacinth]

I don't have the patience to endure another 300 tosses

I'll do it during a weekend

[sinful sparrow]

should've done it

[carmine token]

32k def

[stray dove]

btw does the foot actually have a fail safe or HP cap to not lower any further until phase 2 happens?

[faint rampart]

omg you actually tried the bubble shield :icant:

[stray dove]

or can it be killed off before Phase 2 happens?

[ancient jacinth]

probably does

since the visible hp reduced by the first hit was longer compared to the second

[carmine token]

yea

[ancient jacinth]

since it's not like she could crit with S2, based on the first hit alone it shouldve been near death by sui's second stomp and certain death at third

[split void]

Play for a friend. Don't know why but I never have a run like this

[carmine token]

[stray dove]

isn't that just what it feels like to have the best relics and coins that are DP-oriented?

[ancient jacinth]

oh right second clip of the 409,438 damage

at 252 stacks

[stray dove]

252 YOU SAY?!
r-i-i-c things

[faint rampart]

highroll luck wasted on low d run ||happens with me too||

[remote badger]

the feet

maybe stepped on a lego brick

[carmine token]

225k def

[split void]

Not happen this time. But sometime I misclick "explore" before changing the D

Kinda annoying

[stray dove]

thats no issue on my end. I don't value the F3 buff in IS6 as highly compared to other ISs

[sick mason]

Dang how many defender books do u have to make Bubble that beefy

[split void]

Well that is also true

[stray dove]

coin frozen +DEF

risk coin

[carmine token]

stentious study

[stray dove]

nonstop tossing

[sick mason]

Coin frozen?

Oh that one

[carmine token]

its uncapped

[stray dove]

well

[sick mason]

Must be a hella amount of coupons you had

[carmine token]

ling cheese

[stray dove]

a high amt of DEF increase ain't gonna break IS as much as DPS

letting us have some fun at least

[thin wraith]

Is there a special effect when tossing 3 same tongbao

[carmine token]

no,unless relic

[thin wraith]

So just a cool background ig

[carmine token]

yea

[carmine token]

probably its capped at 999 tosses, for 100100 def increase

[stray dove]

yeah i think i'd die of boredom

before that happens

[ancient jacinth]

just funny as hell to see

[split void]

So If I toss more than one -30% HP that is when I starting to curse this game ?

[ancient jacinth]

it's a game, and the point is to have fun

[stray dove]

well, saving those ain't gonna be plausible anyways

not when they're Dayan

[ancient jacinth]

it's not viable, but it sure is fucking hilarious

[carmine token]

water torture strat

[pastel saffron]

what's a consistent way to solve IS4 Ed2 at d15

[ancient jacinth]

have 17 lp

[carmine token]

is4

eik

[ancient jacinth]

oh right

[warm monolith]

oh well shouldn't have filled my conserve 😭 am i taking the pathfinder path

[pastel saffron]

to leak those crocodile looking guys? and what about the boss?

[carmine token]

that ed4

2 kings

[ancient jacinth]

yeah yeah I got it

honestly

[woeful anchor]

angelina or trag

[ancient jacinth]

kill them simultaneously or facetank 30 hp

[woeful anchor]

3op relicless is angelina nymph ela

d15

[pastel saffron]

oh angelina

[ancient jacinth]

my go to strat was uhh

[pastel saffron]

levitate

[carmine token]

[pastel saffron]

and then fear

and mine slow

wow peak

I am doing thay

[woeful anchor]

angelina can kill the champions

while keeping them in range

lol

funny op

[pastel saffron]

champions are? there are 2 red box right

the 2nd one only spawn 1 type of enemy

[woeful anchor]

the speedy guys

that hit for a ton

[pastel saffron]

that kinda looks like a lizard

[faint rampart]

8 conserved vouchers

[carmine token]

hammer guys

[stray dove]

IS4 also has an annoying amt of levitation relics

that could help in Ange's value further

[woeful anchor]

u dont need relics

angelina is strong enough

already

[stray dove]

yeah we're talking relicless

just considering what ifs

[woeful anchor]

i think she 1 cycles all (levitatable) enemies relicless except for the middle tank in emer carnival

[pastel saffron]

from afar they look like lizards

[carmine token]

we talking abt consistance here

[woeful anchor]

im talking about how she has enough dmg already

that relics dont change her

[pastel saffron]

fib did say relicless

[woeful anchor]

ye

its not like degen

where degen relicless vs degen with 25% atk relic

are 2 different units

[stray dove]

i mean

relicless you might as well be playing mid/high-risk CC

[woeful anchor]

angelina without relics: kills everything
angelina with relics: kills everything

[stray dove]

cause IS is built with relics in mind

[woeful anchor]

no difference 🚬

[pastel saffron]

it gives me aura in #is-station

[carmine token]

there is differance, kills everything faster

[woeful anchor]

yeah i think relics mention is only important if they severely affect the op's performance

like degen and the first atk relic

degen with bloodbath

[sinful sparrow]

degen slop

fibs favorite

😢

[woeful anchor]

bro degen bloodbath kills everything in is6

[pastel saffron]

Is there an alt ed2 in is4, Ik there is alt ed1

[woeful anchor]

foot stomp who? i press degen s3

[woeful anchor]

yes

[carmine token]

all ed in is4 have alts

[pastel saffron]

Omg

trigger require is same? play at d15 and rng?

[woeful anchor]

yes

[sinful sparrow]

ye

[woeful anchor]

d12+ technically

[carmine token]

ice cold image, hollow visage, sentinel, and enter eternity

[woeful anchor]

ice cock image

i cant believe 2 supporters clown on this stage

:joyplush:

lofty harder than ice cold now

frfr

[stray dove]

Ed2 alter is iirc swapped red and blue boxes?

wait no

[woeful anchor]

the enemy spawns are the issue

[stray dove]

there's just way more blues and reds

[pastel saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[stray dove]

harder to defend

[carmine token]

dont mind fib, he is gae

[woeful anchor]

me when the worldcurser or the ufo blushes

[woeful anchor]

im not

[faint rampart]

gay seggs

[carmine token]

stop lie

[woeful anchor]

not lying

[faint rampart]

:susge:

[pastel saffron]

Would yall take leizi over mlynar in IS4 coz she has 3 usable skills as opposed to 1

and she's not as dookie at e1

[woeful anchor]

i think u still take mly

[gaunt bay]

leizi solves nothing

[woeful anchor]

idk

[carmine token]

no,prefer mly at is4

[pastel saffron]

ed1 taunt?

[woeful anchor]

both kinda do nothing much

[gaunt bay]

and gets bricked by walls

[woeful anchor]

taunt?

theres trag bro

[pastel saffron]

oh walls

[gaunt bay]

mly solves ed4 yellow king

[pastel saffron]

Oh yeah trag wont let the shit attack

I always forget trag exists

[gaunt bay]

so like

what does leizi do bruh

[woeful anchor]

yellow king is solved by trag

zzzzzzzzz

u dont even deploy right side anymore

[carmine token]

fly

[pastel saffron]

can't believe degen still top guard pick, I actually used hoshi alt

she solved that sarkaz lady stage

so easily

[woeful anchor]

i think zuo is the top guard pick now

🤫

[gaunt bay]

zuo to solve nothing

i think ur gae

[sinful sparrow]

gayass

[woeful anchor]

he solves lions

[carmine token]

gae

[woeful anchor]

and shadowguard lane (with ines)

(and cc relics)

🤫

[carmine token]

degen solves lions

[woeful anchor]

degen does not solve lions

:realmad:

she doesnt cycle

[gaunt bay]

degen kinda piss icl

[pastel saffron]

Do I ever take heidi now, supp voucher has trag, ange and idk hiw haruka is

[woeful anchor]

unless ur a cheeto degen s2 gamer

[pastel saffron]

I actually need to try haruka

[gaunt bay]

37k total skill damage in 2026 is like

:icant:

[pastel saffron]

she must be good for ed 1

[woeful anchor]

heidi dead op

cos u dont draft degen

🗣️

[pastel saffron]

coz its zuo meta?

[carmine token]

heidi is just degen buffer for ed3

[woeful anchor]

i think guards suck

zzzzzzz

[gaunt bay]

exu lemon kinda just do everything degen did

except they dont have piss nothing damage

so like

[pastel saffron]

omg lemon usage

[gaunt bay]

wcyd

[pastel saffron]

time to play sniper medic

wait wisadel is good here too right

haven't heard shi about her

[gaunt bay]

obviously?

[pastel saffron]

idt alyssal mentioned her eifher

lemme see

[woeful anchor]

bruh its wisadel

shes good

[pastel saffron]

ok he did

I forgot

[crimson nest]

But i heard wis is slop

[gaunt bay]

true

[carmine token]

no wae

[gaunt bay]

the angle is mly just for wave clear

cuz dead ticket idk

[pastel saffron]

at d15 can haruka prevent oneshot

[sinful sparrow]

mlynuts in 2026 😢

stfu kiwi 🗣️

[gaunt bay]

what does zuole do bruh

bro is gonna draft zuo just for lions

[void root]

mlynuts 🗣️

[gaunt bay]

🥀

[sinful sparrow]

surely fib doesnt have any malicious intent recommending zuo 😇 @woeful anchor

[pastel saffron]

its ok I don't have him anyway, help told me not to pull him in mlynar banner

[heavy pumice]

who ping me?

[pastel saffron]

not like I would do zuo borrow start

[gaunt bay]

zuo open is like

inhuman

its so bad

[pastel saffron]

just use search feature, meantions : arkhy.

How is saki gon be, for open

actually wait

trash

[gaunt bay]

i dont think its good

but i heard s2 is thorns powercreep so i could be wrong

never heard anything about it

[pastel saffron]

I was looking at yotoob for a bit, and pard had uploaded a run, calling reed start most stable

I was like what type of schizo is this

then I thot

he follows cn strat

[stray dove]

Don't know about Saki as opener

[pastel saffron]

might be onto smth

[gaunt bay]

for what

[stray dove]

but Cube mentioned that Saki is behind Lazer

[gaunt bay]

what IS

[crimson nest]

If IS4 at some point she is p stable opener

[gaunt bay]

are you sure you didnt just watch like a 2 year old video for is4

[pastel saffron]

https://youtu.be/LzPr_h98kZg

[gaunt bay]

yeah its a 2 year old video for is4

this was pre expansion

there was no nmt4

[pastel saffron]

Oh

[crimson nest]

Just open wis / exu2

[gaunt bay]

p*rd also sucks 🤫

[crimson nest]

[gaunt bay]

wis open mid asf

[pastel saffron]

Lazer actually good opener for IS6 I was told, gvg can start, later can get saki and cheeto

[gaunt bay]

basically leaks everything degen does and then some

[pastel saffron]

I would do wis open if sniper medic was viable

actually maybe ai should try

[gaunt bay]

exu open is the only real option

[pastel saffron]

medic has mon3tr, idk what shes doing

bit we trust

[stray dove]

AI should try?

[pastel saffron]

I

[gaunt bay]

mon3tr does nothing in is4

[sinful sparrow]

killing myself

[woeful anchor]

wym

[carmine token]

buff ig idk

[pastel saffron]

that's what I thought, maybe aspd buff is useful with uhhh actually no one

Mlynar only

exia and wis

dont care

who else is candidate for aspd

[gaunt bay]

yeah the other meta drafts just dont care

wcyd

[sinful sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287981429963100281/1423895108712927334/IMG_5956.gif

[gaunt bay]

aspd buffers suck

[pastel saffron]

maybe take ceobe to deal with king

and then use aspd buff on her

[gaunt bay]

giga fake

just trag

[stray dove]

just let them have their GVG glory

[carmine token]

[stray dove]

i must be the shittiest dual class user

[pastel saffron]

Do IS4 enemies generally have higher res or lower

I can't tell

[stray dove]

cause i just don't recruit the 2 classes too much

[sinful sparrow]

exu s2'able tier

[stray dove]

if it's beyond my usual preferences

[sinful sparrow]

👍

[gaunt bay]

lower

doesnt matter

[stray dove]

shittier relic pool

is all i can say

[gaunt bay]

every arts damage option is like piss

[stray dove]

I finished everything else IS4 had to offer

[gaunt bay]

ig hoshi might be good but like noone plays is4 anymore

[stray dove]

before I got Old Fan in boss relic pool drop

[gaunt bay]

mode is giga solved

[carmine token]

trag n exu just killed diff

[stray dove]

maybe for nostalgia sake i would revisit it from time to time.
But I'd sooner grind IS4 for Partial Cecity proc

[pastel saffron]

isnt it the same wirh all other IS too, ok maybe not IS2 coz I heard after new diffi

[gaunt bay]

in the words of bait "turns out res isnt the issue casters just suck"

[pastel saffron]

its actually giga hard

[stray dove]

Trust me. Boss relic pools in other ISs are better

[pastel saffron]

I just need excuse for some exia s3 + hoshi shenanigan

[stray dove]

IS4 boss relic pool is too diluted

[pastel saffron]

I see

[stray dove]

actually

here's the thing

boss relic pools before

never drop anywhere else

IS4 did the reverse

relics that are ass

that drops or gets sold

[errant siren]

Just ended test run without Raidian at start

[stray dove]

can appear in boss relic pool

[errant siren]

Where this dude

[pastel saffron]

trust

actually medicmiya I thot she would do smth

[stray dove]

IS6 did the opposite where they are willing to sell boss relics or drops em

[pastel saffron]

but she isn't

[pastel saffron]

not d15, fake

[errant siren]

It DOES stack without need her in squad at all.

Recruited Raidian only from 4F, and already have no DeployLimit waste.

So you can delay and have all perks available.

Still.

[pastel saffron]

from what I grasped so far, IS4 tries to be good but ends up kinda mid

I do like end4 a lot tho

[woeful anchor]

omg the yato s1 stage

[gaunt bay]

is4 was goated

[pastel saffron]

rest of the mode is ok

[gaunt bay]

its just too easy now

[pastel saffron]

its not bad tho

[gaunt bay]

it had issues as with every IS

[carmine token]

is4 was very good, its just powercrept

[woeful anchor]

d18 wil lsave is4

[pastel saffron]

Yeah trag solved everything, then ange mod

[woeful anchor]

ange came before trag

[gaunt bay]

ange mod solved like nothing

well

[woeful anchor]

????

[gaunt bay]

ig like manmade

[gaunt bay]

okay lemme rephrase that

[woeful anchor]

ange solved every emer

[gaunt bay]

she didnt solve bosses

[pastel saffron]

Will IS4 d18 be harder than d18 IS2, what's ur predic

coz everyone hates bear

[woeful anchor]

ok then u shouldve said that

[carmine token]

baro3

[gaunt bay]

zzz

[woeful anchor]

EH:

[gaunt bay]

the eh tech

[pastel saffron]

who's baro

[gaunt bay]

barometric disorder

[woeful anchor]

im a believer that EH is the best squad now

[pastel saffron]

he was a trader in warframe

[gaunt bay]

-20/40% dp regen rate

[pastel saffron]

oh yeah that shitty debuff

[remote badger]

mmmmmm yes inj3

[woeful anchor]

hope econ doesnt matter cos u only need 2-3 ops for f5 now

[gaunt bay]

its called eternal hunting cuz youre eternally hutning for hope

[woeful anchor]

so u just take the consistency squad

what hope

[pastel saffron]

eh is the squad which promotes ur ops without hope?

[woeful anchor]

every stage clearable with 2-3 ops

:joyplush:

[gaunt bay]

sent 🤫

[remote badger]

no

[gaunt bay]

actually can you test avg hope for f6 run

[carmine token]

, 75% hp lost on deployment

[woeful anchor]

my gut tells me its 60

but i dont play EH

[gaunt bay]

surely

[woeful anchor]

so idk

i dont play is4 anymore

[gaunt bay]

totally unbiased source fib's gut

[pastel saffron]

doesn't ur gut also think zuo>degen

[woeful anchor]

i played 1 run with exu and its boring af

everything just died bruh

[gaunt bay]

zuo > degen tho unironically

cuz degen actually does nothing useful anymore

[ancient jacinth]

each perfect clear reduces collapsal level by 1 but increases it by 1 more if you lose hp iirc

[woeful anchor]

yes because zuo does diff stuff than degen

and the stuff that degen does is done by other better ops

[pastel saffron]

Omg no debuff

[gaunt bay]

37k total skill damage is actually nothing

[pastel saffron]

I see

[woeful anchor]

its 45k but ok

[shadow blaze]

Hoshi s2 worth m3 for is?

[woeful anchor]

actually 50k if u arent poor

[gaunt bay]

not counting IS buffs :realmad:

[woeful anchor]

why wouldnt u count tech tree

its guranteed zzzzzzzz

[pastel saffron]

sure, I saw it being used a bit, albeit niche

hitcount help

if u have better skills to up tho

do them first

[shadow blaze]

Is it used more than her s3 on is though?

[pastel saffron]

Not at all, S3 is used most of the time

[gaunt bay]

its like 80% s3

[shadow blaze]

Damn i thought it has a broken synergy with archetto

[rapid pulsar]

She would if she could spin multiple shields

But she can’t

[stray dove]

NGL I thought it can't get any better than Foldartals back then

but Sui Realm and Tongbaos are a nice idea

that i feel are better

[carmine token]

coins are peak

[stray dove]

here's the thing

Tongbaos

is what HG wanted Dices in IS3 to be

but they just didn't give much perks to it

and procced it at the weirdest things (like getting a relic from Wish)

[carmine token]

dices were a flop

[stray dove]

Dices in the end became a detriment

a sign of bad effects

rather than risk reward

[carmine token]

most of the time i forget i have dice

[stray dove]

you WILL remember them when you try to pick a relic in Wish

and when you enter a floor

cause it can fuck you up during those

[ancient jacinth]

the feeling of getting a relic from a wish fulfilled at 50 or less light and getting something like weird flute

old days

[solemn palm]

200 combat level, f6 1 debuff then they give me gardener instead of sentinel

Disappointed

[stray dove]

still i don't think anyone beats IS2/IS1 for having the weakest relic node reward

you don't even know what you would get

you just...."get"

[carmine token]

get tricket

[crisp scaffold]

At least IS2 doesn't have the bullshit RNG like IS3

[stray dove]

not Partial Cecity. Rage abated

[native sky]

wait what I just knew that f2 can have no bosky

[crisp scaffold]

The chance is low but ye

[ancient jacinth]

counterpoint: that's literally the fundamental aspect of a roguelike

[crisp scaffold]

If your run doesn't show wonderland in floor 2, just restart it

[stray dove]

i'd restart by that point

[native sky]

This is fucking cringe

[carmine token]

what

[ancient jacinth]

I personally like the dice mechanic

[crisp scaffold]

I know but there's not a single player agency in IS3

[stray dove]

aaaaand?

[native sky]

Just go back to Sami pls

[ancient jacinth]

until I get metastatic abberation ofc

[stray dove]

meta ain't even that bad D16 onwards

[crisp scaffold]

If your ass is always at the mercy of RNG, you're not going to enjoy getting rejection everywhere

[carmine token]

i love my rng in rng

[native sky]

Meta is kinda good in 16+

I was saying meta is shit

But with evolution

It’s other things

[stray dove]

DP discount

[native sky]

[stray dove]

to relocate sickness

[native sky]

And u can cure multiple operator with 2 tool operator

[faint rampart]

another raidianless failure

[native sky]

Pretty cheap

[faint rampart]

hoshi saved bosky but now i cant save my normal fights

[stray dove]

1 victim to heal 2 sick ops

at best

i tried going for 3

doesn't work

[native sky]

It should

The maximum is 4 iirc

[stray dove]

so it must be my tile layout

[native sky]

Bc it only heal adjacent tile

[native sky]

Probably

I also failed curing two at same time

It’s weird

Maybe just don’t deploy them too fast

XD

[stray dove]

would anyone use Hoshitter in IS3? Even with all the RES?

[gaunt bay]

shes melee and arts

what do you think

10k hp doesnt get very far when she cant damage anything and everything can do shitloads to her

[carmine token]

i wonder why they havent added d18 to is4, when is3,5,6 with dlc2 will have it. Maybe they will add it in the future

[stray dove]

yeah can't rely too much on S3 range. It's not even far enough from what you want in IS3

[native sky]

true

I was thinking it when is2 had d18

It’s kinda strange

[stray dove]

D15 is the norm. D18 is just what is applied to newer ones since they can design bosses and IS's unique gimmicks onto the modifiers

look at IS2

why isn't it immediately given D18?

[native sky]

Wait

Is2 has d18?

[stray dove]

no

thats what i mean

thats why i believe

IS3 is an anomaly

[native sky]

True

[stray dove]

they added D18 because they wanted the D16 relic included

[native sky]

D15 I can still beat with stats

In is3

But d18

Haha

Go eat shit if u try use stats

Unless u r doing one operator pass

[stray dove]

my boss solutions in D18 IS3 has come down to

[native sky]

With mom

[stray dove]

weedy push to hole

[native sky]

So true lmao

[stray dove]

and/or Trag+Ela permastall

cause nuking ain't big enough

[native sky]

I passed all d18 in is3 pre tragodia

So literally weedy push

The only way to pass

[stray dove]

Highmore is actually scary in D18 that i want that boss to go to hole instead of transitioning to phase 2

[native sky]

I was struggling before for end4 bc I have no ange

[native sky]

Lmao

I actually killed her with stats

[stray dove]

i can

it's a strugglew

she hits hard

and that -ASPD really shits on you with phase 2's absurd range

[native sky]

I had Wis with her hand

So i was ok

[stray dove]

lucky

[carmine token]

ig bro

[stray dove]

i wouldn't mind they try making everything symmetrical and be d18

buuuuut

it's already ruined by this

it's ALWAYS IS3

[sinful sparrow]

dang i tossed the -ASPD tongbao 🚬

[carmine token]

if they add like d15+, im pretty sure there is gonna be something like allies take like +50% extra dmg on seeded tile

the evo mechanic in is3 is cool, they could add something like that is4, but with certain count of mob kills

[rotund copper]

Which website show me the lootdrop for operations in is5?

[flint token]

wiki.gg

[rotund copper]

I meant as in like fighting node reward

[stray dove]

i don't even think anyone records relic drop chances

[rotund copper]

?

[woeful knot]

if you mean exp and ingot drops tomimi has them

[rotund copper]

I'm looking for a map that drop plan in is5

[stray dove]

oh

spine chances in maps that ain't guaranteed usually?

[woeful knot]

tomimi also has that

[woeful anchor]

i literally replied tomimi.dev

[flint token]

most goobers here tend to just memorize them so

[woeful anchor]

to that guy

bruhhhh

💔

[rotund copper]

Which section is it?

[woeful knot]

you can check stages and see the maps

it displays it there

the position of spikes too

[rotund copper]

ok I see it now thanks

[sinful sparrow]

Wtf senz is5 player

🥀

[woeful knot]

yeah im known to be the top is5 player

wcyd

[sinful sparrow]

proof that ur top?

[woeful anchor]

senz is a bottom

[sinful sparrow]

ur like bottom

🤫

[woeful knot]

fake as hell

[remote badger]

top in exploding

[woeful knot]

im always at top

[woeful anchor]

yeah ur on top of [redacted]

[sinful sparrow]

i heard top players will grind mech menace emer right spawn

😇

[woeful anchor]

fake

top players will optimize duck lord trio em is5

[carmine token]

that gae

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658639480290279435/1442456810203254887/IMG_3866.gif