is-station

[alpine solar]

yah its the frogs that nuke u

[turbid hearth]

I dont know

[alpine solar]

not these guys

[final gale]

the frogs are the one that can one shot ops

fortunately they arent

[turbid hearth]

they stand afk right?

[final gale]

i dont remember what they do beside being tanky

[turbid hearth]

aight at least its not the frogs

[final gale]

i usually read pokedex to remember things

[alpine solar]

if the top one was a combat, and i had 3 coupons, would it be better to have 3x combat on f1 or 1x combat 1x emergency

[analog bronze]

any recommendations on which 4☆ guards to build for is6

[final gale]

most of 4 star guard that ive seen pick likes of luo xiaohei or/and windscoot for yan race

they do be fine at e1 since ull most likely just use them early on and stick to them as gatepass to doubt nodes

[rapid matrix]

ow yeah. easy %80 atk

[alpine solar]

draft perfumer better than purestream?

[turbid hearth]

Thank god these werent frogs man...

[rapid matrix]

purestream first if you care about passing doubt nodes, perfumer for the comfy

[final gale]

e2 radian

can also abuse special support squad or something named like that

[turbid hearth]

The fact that exalter couldnt clip fast enough to kill ghost's in time anymore was concerning, also hp boost

[worldly delta]

I wonder would Yi be a summoner as a playable op?

[final gale]

we would only know when time comes

as of now... dunno

for example, radian supposed to be a decel binder, but dunno we have radian as summoner now

[ornate wave]

I did a run on is6 difficulty 2 with borrow wisadel

The final boss drone striked her and stole 30 hp
I died

[alpine solar]

nah i bet yi would be an artificer

cause he's an architect and builds things

[turbid hearth]

how on earth you guys get 30 hp

[alpine solar]

tavern node

[turbid hearth]

Literally never saw that amount in my life

[alpine solar]

exchange ingots for objective shield

or life for shield

[deft hornet]

Is the team I’m using any good?

[ornate wave]

I mean that boss kills 30 hp and I was at 1 and died

[rapid matrix]

shu leisure also gives ton of shield if you have hope to spare

[alpine solar]

for what? is6? i dont think you can even make it past 1st floor with that

[deft hornet]

Ok sorry

[alpine solar]

you might be in the wrong channel

try #help

[ornate wave]

How do I convert my caster Amiya to guard amiya

Mid is run

[alpine solar]

first you need to buy the 21 op skin

then you need to give amiya lots of pats and kisses

[final gale]

these need lot of fixes... #help peeps should help better

we also have good template of gen team there

[alpine solar]

and tell her she's your favorite bnuy

[turbid hearth]

Thats too early for is man

[ornate wave]

I'll give her carrots too
Donkeys like those

[hushed kiln]

Why is4 sound so complex?

[alpine solar]

just play it a bit and you will understand most of it

everything sounds more complex than it plays out

[hushed kiln]

Alright

[final gale]

and yeh ofc dont expect this can do shit in is6

at best ull abuse a support per run until u have decent roster

[ornate wave]

Do you want to watch kookie clear it

[hushed kiln]

Who is kookie?

[ornate wave]

A youtuber who does guides

[alpine solar]

what's the point of watching people clear is unless it's for specific stages

[ornate wave]

I have skill issue

[alpine solar]

i still think it's way easier to just play it out at the lowest difficulty until you slowly understand what everything does

[hushed kiln]

Just wisadel it

[ornate wave]

That boss killed my wisadel and my mylnar and walked

I had the +800 defence tongbao

[hushed kiln]

Yeah it sometimes amazes me how people say "just wisadel" but she doesnt get the job done

Like that is3 end 4 boss

[alpine solar]

u just dont have the right relics

or u picked s3 instead of s2

[ornate wave]

:

[ornate wave]

Don't you use S3 because it has aoe

And can target air units

?

[faint rampart]

🥹

[alpine solar]

dont u have other units who can target air units

[ornate wave]

Mylnar died

Trying to kill that boss

Ines was one shot..

[alpine solar]

again sounds like you didnt have enough relics

or you let izumik absorb too many jellyfish

[ornate wave]

I was spamming quick deploy to block flyimg things from wisadel

[inland elbow]

Wis S3 is better on izumik

S2 dph is way too low to make progress against jellyfish

And summoning turrets gives slow and camo to wis

Which lets her avoid izumiks acid skill

[ornate wave]

Who's izumik

I'm doing is6

[ionic cradle]

there's also a thing where a map modifier really fucks stuff up as ASPD affects the spawn rate of those jellies I think

[alpine solar]

the entire comment chain is from cell talking about is3 ed4

[ornate wave]

I should try that hmm

[inland elbow]

I've never heard of this being the case

If you have a source I'd like to see it

[cold fjord]

you also never heard about the weight 1 jellies!

[rapid matrix]

wait... that +2sp on every time you deal damage coin made nymph s2 permanent lmao. she gets 2sp on every tick of elemental damage

[alpine solar]

if i get a temp recruit from a voucher and conserve it, does that temp recruit persist when i redeem it at a pathfinder node

[inland elbow]

Bro this is some legit obscure ass info

Even most cn people didn't know

[rapid matrix]

no

[inland elbow]

We specifically had to go ask the top strategy groups leading nerd to get the answer

[rapid matrix]

if you mean the operator. you will get different one on pathfinder

[alpine solar]

so it will preserve the temp recruit option, effectively letting you reroll the temp recruit?

[rapid matrix]

yes

[alpine solar]

neat, gonna have to try to put that into use next run

[halcyon flame]

Pregger

[cold fjord]

yes
thats how you are rn
and thats how you will end up after you stop being pregger

[halcyon flame]

Shut up &euthy

[cold fjord]

how did they figure it out

testing shit?

[inland elbow]

I'd guess they looked through the decompiled code

This was the strat group that did relicless izumik

[alpine solar]

so does borderbound mirror apply to yi's exploding minions

[halcyon flame]

Decompiled code

Same way they figured out mantra bouncing

[slate hull]

the answer I have seen is that the explosion is not an attack, so it doesn't

[alpine solar]

so this relic is useless

unless there's some secret application of it i'm not fully appreciating

[cold fjord]

[faint rampart]

lance guys?

[real mango]

Lance guys, the lightsaber invis guys

The coin frogs too, if you get that Yi variation

IS6 is full of unfun mechanics

[rapid matrix]

calling that relic useless is a bit stretching. it's one of the better defensive relics imo

[real mango]

Multiple instakill fuckers who are not only stupidly tanky, but also fly after eating
Permanent debuffs
Waregeist bullshit
Map design being ass, in general
The fucking talismans and talisman spamming
They also decided to buff the fucking mimics, for some reason

[alpine solar]

does it protect against the dragon geists

[real mango]

Lol no

[alpine solar]

or rather, does anything protect against them voreing your ops

[real mango]

Those fuckers instakill regardless of defenses

Like the vore flowers or the vore Sarkaz

[cold fjord]

i wouldnt call the relic useless
its just not an impressive relic

[paper kayak]

in general i've found that the map design is fine provided you're playing with raidian

which is uh. a bit of an asterisk.

just a tad

[real mango]

As if skewing map design in IS4 to favor Typhon wasn't bad enough

[paper kayak]

wym is4 is obviously lin shilling

[onyx pollen]

i find the dumb teleporting boss in f3 harder than any other boss

[cold fjord]

yeah the typhon tiles are pretty funny

[real mango]

The fisherman?

He basically makes your ranged ops useless

[paper kayak]

yeah id argue fisherman alter is the hardest boss this is

which is pretty stupid ngl

[real mango]

They either get melted by the talismans post-teleport or get two-shot by the fucker

[onyx pollen]

he shows up in two maps too for some reason

[alpine solar]

oh god i wasnt expecting f5 cannot rob to be just pirate enemies

[real mango]

I know Reedalt draft is useless in IS6, but

[faint rampart]

reed slander naur

[real mango]

Nah I use her

[rapid matrix]

you are brave robbing cannot at f5. that shit is harder than actual bosses lol

[real mango]

It's just that people don't recommend her for IS6

[alpine solar]

well i heard people say it was hard and i never touched that option based off of that but i wanted to see what all the fuss was about

and yah i can see how this could end my run

[rapid pulsar]

Cant you just

Gangbang fisherman with radiant s2

[real mango]

No

[rapid pulsar]

Why

[real mango]

Because the fish attack the talismans first

[rapid pulsar]

Yeah

[real mango]

And the talismans absorb all the attacks

[rapid pulsar]

And the fish has 4 hit count

Fisherman dies pretty quickly with 3 fishes on each side

[paper kayak]

the fact this opener works is so silly, thank you whoever mentioned it

[real mango]

Ye but sometimes RNG is a bitch and doesn't give me Raidian

Either that or doesn't give me a promo

[alpine solar]

werent u the one who mentioned it

[paper kayak]

last night yeah but someone mentioned it like a week ago

[faint rampart]

S1?

[paper kayak]

for floor 1 yeah

[real mango]

Does that opener work for E. NMT4 though

Nah wait pretty sure it does nvm

[paper kayak]

ehhhh idk if it does

the rest its fine

[raw hemlock]

Let's goooooo first perfect clear of that level

[faint rampart]

raidian e1 i assume

[alpine solar]

when your ops have layers of shield, does that block against the dragon vore

[real mango]

No

[paper kayak]

iirc the dragon eating attack doesnt actually do damage, its a forced retreat

[alpine solar]

ah

[real mango]

You can, however, CC the dragon right before it can eat your op
It will still gain LAH, but it won't vore your op

Freeze, stun, w/e

[alpine solar]

does this count as spawncamping

[real mango]

Ew roach

[arctic panther]

i feel like theres a much more broken unit sitting right next to her

[faint rampart]

revenant

[wanton rose]

purestream

[arctic panther]

obv

[wary zodiac]

Are mizuki and phantom only ones with l2d IS skins?

[alpine solar]

i dont think their skins are from the us

[brittle grove]

Must be usa

[wary zodiac]

Tnx for pointing out

[wary zodiac]

What about question tho

[arctic panther]

wtf is a l2d

[alpine solar]

learn 2 draw

[brittle grove]

So far only those two yea

[wary zodiac]

Skins with animation

The 21 op ones

[brittle grove]

Live 2D

[paper kayak]

live2d

[arctic panther]

yes

[faint rampart]

kitty you're a bit early i think

[arctic panther]

get her and then dont touch is until ato

[alpine solar]

so when does this condition unlock

i just reached d13

[faint rampart]

time to play on a diff acc and start from d0 again

[alpine solar]

also does cannot's 500 ingot upgrade also affect ji's stock in bosky

[paper kayak]

what a challenging decision

[arctic panther]

luck

[brittle grove]

Thats the normal challenge, always take temp ops

[paper kayak]

if I get Migrate this run is over

[arctic panther]

good luck with that

[alpine solar]

also can someone help me understand why nian turned into a white rectangle

[brittle grove]

Are u on emu

[nocturne cape]

The play is wait 6 more days

[ashen valve]

Im such a fucking idiot

This whole time Ive just been

Raw dogging the IS

And totally forgot to upgrade

[alpine solar]

limbus player not reading

good roleplay!

[ashen valve]

Ts has nothing to do with reading

[gaunt bay]

Answer me Jia Qiu

What do the words say

[faint rampart]

...yeah doing that

no shop rob is6 is pain ugh

[ashen valve]

How am I supposed to know that

“Ageless erudition”

Is for upgrades

I wasn’t checking out every button anyways

[alpine solar]

great question JQ

i'm glad you asked

luckily there is a helpful infographic you probably DIDN'T READ

I ask of you, what do your eyes need?

[arctic panther]

an insufficient answer for the time you have been given

we are going to jump you now

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-jaye-dream-spawn-camp-gif-20053170

[alpine solar]

cut him down, Mao

[arctic panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814537437170499584/1458274308429447199/video_20260103_034642_edit.gif

[rapid matrix]

Trade

[ionic cradle]

Late reply since I was IS-ing, but you can notice the spawn gap when that aspd floor debuff thing is active during Izumik

[inland elbow]

do you have video evidence of this being the case

[ionic cradle]

That nope, but yeah Im sure of it after certain runs

[nocturne cape]

extremely unlikely but yes

99% of the time it is in one of your unexplored nodes

but if that makes you feel better then yes that can happen

this should be addressed with expansion 1 tho

[gaunt bay]

cube

[scenic saffron]

Cubieee wat skill for swalter mastery

Only s3?

[gaunt bay]

also hi hotaru :ya:

[nocturne cape]

only S3

[scenic saffron]

Hiiiii Kiwi :3

[nocturne cape]

if you want S1 is fine too

[scenic saffron]

Oki doki

[gaunt bay]

is there any place at all where s1m3 is required

actually i should build my swalter rq

[cold fjord]

required?
no

It never is

Its just a bonus

[nocturne cape]

well

its a stat difference

but for most of my usecase prob not

swire's atk is high enough to heal a significant amount

[gaunt bay]

whats the hp/s with full conditionals

:glueless:

[nocturne cape]

handmixing might be fun

[gaunt bay]

🥀

cube known handmixer tier

why is bro back in is5 anyways

[nocturne cape]

trying out erudite squad

[nocturne cape]

Relicless she sits at around 4.3k atk

[gaunt bay]

so its like what 1k hp/s consistently?

[wanton rose]

Trade

[sinful sparrow]

Wtf handmixing

your… other operators?

wtf

the downside is it attachs talismans on places and it distracts your dps

[rapid pulsar]

It’s timer based since you can speed up stomps with more deployments

But I don’t remember time

[sinful sparrow]

its more units

summons included

[rapid pulsar]

Yes no yes

[sinful sparrow]

but if you dont speed up, you have about 4 stomps until you lose

you hit the boss until it reached near middle, around 55-60%, then leave it alone until 54/55

then you just spam raidian fish to speed up stomps, and use every other operator at your disposal to hit it

sure

idk

[raw hemlock]

quick ask: scout node, or go ahead to f3 boss? got e2🕯️ Raidian, e2🕯️leizi2, 🕯️Saria, 🕯️Cuora, Podenco, Purestream, and the reserve ops

[vagrant burrow]

you could just send an image

[agile hill]

bruh i forgot to take ed 3

[vagrant burrow]

sounds good to go to the boss assuming you mean scout node like its vertical travel right before the boss stage

[agile hill]

time to reset

[raw hemlock]

yea vertical travel, I've got 6 coupons

[vagrant burrow]

scout node isn't gonna do you any good so just save them for other stuff

never know when you might need them, maybe you get drum

[raw hemlock]

aight

[agile hill]

bro you get 2 coupon back, so really it is net 1 coupon cost considering there is nothing he can use ccoupon on

[vagrant burrow]

why bother spending a coupon to do what? e2 saria? light podenco/purestream?

[agile hill]

with that 1 coupon you get 2 hope, 1 promoted op

[slate hull]

aren't those separate options? you either promote or you get hope

[vagrant burrow]

its one or the other, not both

yea

you get a few ingots, 2 coupons, and it returns your op for top option

second option is the same thing but additionally lights

third option is 2 hope

[agile hill]

i think you get hope back on next floor

[vagrant burrow]

thats what is5 does

[raw hemlock]

So.... probably could've done the scout node

[vagrant burrow]

could just google it

[vagrant burrow]

i mean scout node would just take away one of your operators, if you weren't prepared then so be it

looks like triple master

it can be a pretty hard stage if you dont have a lot of ops

[rapid pulsar]

which of the radian mod is generally better?

[void root]

Isnt that she only have one in EN?

[vagrant burrow]

CN has two

i dont play CN though and aceship translation kinda scuff so i have no say on it

[void root]

About her beta mod I dont know any used it

[vagrant burrow]

it sounds kinda butt

but again idk

it seems like it buffs her instead of her summons

[void root]

Maybe -50% rdp time is more useful for panic or quick setup than just pure more dps

[vagrant burrow]

um where -50% rdp

thats in alpha

aren't we talking about beta

[void root]

Yeah alpha is rdp time

[vagrant burrow]

also capacity from 5 → 10 and 25% retrieval and +2 sp (which cycles to skill faster which gives more summons)

but ye rdp also nice for 1s rdp with relics

[slate hull]

mod beta is weird, seems to buff Raidian more than the summons and prioritises deploying them next to her, but I can't really tell you how good it is without using it

[vagrant burrow]

beta sounds like it just multiplies radian's dps per target by 2.2x and then increases target count by 2

but you gotta sacrifice 4 summons to her like lambs to a slaughter

maybe its better than it leads itself to be but i haven't used it in practice so i dunno

[slate hull]

if mod beta let you deploy her on melee tiles it would go kind of hard, but I am struggling to imagine how you'd use it as is

[rapid matrix]

i wish this relic was more common. really fun making lemuen rain orbital strikes down on bosses heads

[arctic flax]

So uh... I wanted to get into IS and I've never tried it. Is there anything I need to up on my acc or do to prep for playing? Gonna start from the first and go through them all eventually, I hope

[prime mountain]

Which units do you have built? we can start from there

[arctic flax]

I can share my krooster. Think I've got it figured out

https://www.krooster.com/u/mercurialraine

[alpine solar]

why is the ufo targeting the talisman and not the doggo

[prime mountain]

Ok we ban this guy

But yeah you have the units for it

[arctic flax]

Do I need to raise any of my 4 or 5*?

[prime mountain]

Ideally for is5/is6 yes, but I'd suggest going trough 2/3/4 first to learn the gamemode

Take it slow and just read a lot

[arctic flax]

Alrighty, sounds good to me. Thanks!

[prime mountain]

One piece of advice I can give you is: Forget 5* exist for now, they're rarely worth drafting

Then just fuck around and find out, IS is a fun gamemode to just learn on your own

[arctic flax]

Got it, def can do

[rapid matrix]

attached talismans have increased aggro

[prime mountain]

Do they have specifically increased aggro or just like, unmovable object priority because they don't go to blue box?

[ionic cradle]

Talisman has taunt btw, annoying ik

a thing that requires multiple hits, silences, and taunts, fun

[ionic cradle]

it generally has it even when not attached

which is why there's an oddly placed statuegeist on whack-a-mus

(to trick Range spammers)

[alpine solar]

are talismans hit based

[ionic cradle]

Yes

[alpine solar]

cause true damage dont seem to do anything to em

[ionic cradle]

they're like the invitation to wine enemies

Which is why ascalon and Ethan is a peak thing here

[prime mountain]

Which is why entelechia is so goated!!!

[ionic cradle]

the addition of ASPD vagary tongbaos too...

[rapid matrix]

just tested it. it only has taunt while attached. doesn't affect the target priority while in flight

[ionic cradle]

always felt like that ngl

[rapid matrix]

its destination is probably treated like blue box that must have been why. it doesn't go into blue box after all it just disappears

[empty gulch]

who's the best spec for ed3?

[void root]

Exualt again

[empty gulch]

i already have her

[sonic sable]

Yato/mizuki/ascalon

[faint rampart]

yayo

[empty gulch]

i fucking love fucking IS6

[prime mountain]

-initial sp combined with +4dp cost on ed3 is actually evil

visions of barometric disorder

[split void]

[faint rampart]

damn i get to play with nymph huh

[sinful sparrow]

allat to -17

🥀

[heavy pumice]

hmm
this will be tough
no +aspd, no ed5, and shitty voucher drop :icant:

[stray dove]

All I can say is some of the coins and relics in IS6 were top tier levels of absurdly difficult to get compared to past ISs.
It felt like I was doing Pathfinder Fin or Beauty and Ugliness levels of hunting.

The only reason IS6 relic/coin hunting felt fast is because you can easily abuse Leader's EoT and visit early WiWs to get through a lot of it.

It helps a bit that some of the encounter chains have better proc rates than the likes of IS2 and IS3

I just wish that HG stops making rare floor debuffs

I already am having considerations if I'm gonna revisit IS4 purely to get Partial Cecity proc

and now I have to deal with IS6's rare Hour of Suis. The only pro is IS6 Hour hunting can easily be done combatless so it's quicker.

[vapid compass]

does this work on ops promoted via combat before getting the collectable or is it only for ops after getting it

[split void]

The 2 ways of getting its stack is the combat mode in path finder and the tongbao that lighting strike our OP, am I right?

[vapid compass]

yea i think so

but yea does it apply stacks if you have done combat and promoted/light before getting the collectable

[split void]

[arctic panther]

yato2

[arctic panther]

after

[copper orchid]

bro didnt play lamp?

[vapid compass]

alr

cheers

[heavy pumice]

wcyd when the last two node before boss is face off, bosky and 1 short plans

[paper kayak]

guess this is an ammo run now

already have e2 exu and now sankta

time for the full squad

[copper orchid]

Talking about the aspd part

[faint rampart]

d0 player w
this gamemode so hard :ggnod:

[heavy pumice]

yeah i cant change bosky to wish node

[nocturne cape]

so mpreg

[gaunt bay]

omg hi john mpreg

[nocturne cape]

hi kiwi

[alpine solar]

what is the slap attack

[stray dove]

it's not retroactive iirc
to be frank, I mostly get bells in F3

even if F1

I wouldn't dare waste F1-F3 Pathfinders on Pathfinder combat
So I only get to give Bell stacks in F4-F5 Pathfinder combat (if Ed3, 1 less Pathfinder to use in F4-F5 due to requirements so pray F6 has Pathfinder)

[arctic panther]

the map-wide triple slap she does after stepping on your ops

[alpine solar]

oh this is ed2 only

i read sui and thought all sui enemies could slap u

then i was like what slap? like a bitch slap?

[arctic panther]

“KEEP. MY PROXY’S NAME. OUT YA FUCKING. MOUTH!!” - every geist in the garden ig

[alpine solar]

is there supposed to be a hot sarkaz lady encounter in is6

[split void]

Don't remember

There are a cute lol....

Don't think there are sarkaz man. This is sui garden

[crimson nest]

Anasa lady

[split void]

Isn't that IS 5 ?

The Anasa with mudrock things is in IS 6 ?

[crimson nest]

IS5 was the sarkaz priestess.

[alpine solar]

aw

so no hot sarkaz lady

not even in the expansion

?

wait, anasa is technically a sarkaz right

[crimson nest]

Ye

[flint token]

steal her food and she fucking kills you

[old geyser]

bah, almost got my d15 ed3 clear but I fucked up right at the start of the Wang fight by retreating a revenant shadow to place a defender before Wiš'adel finished killing the first wallbreaker

and wasn't able to recover

[mild coral]

why does is6 hate ranged ops so much

[gaunt bay]

it does not

[ionic kestrel]

lol

i cant recall any content where ranged are shafted while ground units thrive

[mild coral]

ok maybe im a bit salty just got annihilated by the fisher boss that pulls you into the berserkers

[wary yacht]

Walter

[stray dove]

if anything, I'd rather ask which ISs hate ground ops

it always feels like ranged ops will carry everything due to range advantage combined with effectivity

outside of Mlynar, most of the ground ops' roles for me in ISs is to block/stall, and heal

[arctic panther]

just use

https://tenor.com/view/wisadel-waltuh-w-walter-arknights-gif-3812010922944326354

or any op with camouflage on deployment

[stray dove]

The old era of IS2 devoid of D15-18s were pretty much dominated with Guard superiority

if it ain't Guard, it's the likes of Mudrock and Horn and Spalter S2 doll module

although the latter portions of old IS2's lifespan was slowly being crept by the likes of Chalter and Poze and even the fun aspects of high ASPD GG/Gnosis

but even in those times, ranged weren't shafted at all

not when the likes of Spinach Kroos thrives

[stray dove]

no

just because it's Dharma practice doesn't mean they're Sarkaz

there are Anasa Sarkaz

the ones with black halos

but Anasa just means "enlightened ones"

ok

wait that specific lady is high chance an Anasa Sarkaz

i can actually see her horns in closer look

and even the statues are of horned men

[ionic cradle]

This was somewhat a weird run without fast redeploy stuff

Ascalon really is the only solution to minimize left side

[empty gulch]

WOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[stray dove]

since you've still leaked quite a bit

I just recommend you do what sweatlords do

ignore the entire left lane

and leak 17

would've been less annoying to do since you only need to take care of 2 lanes

[halcyon flame]

ascalon isnt the solution to min left side

[ornate wave]

What op cheeses is6 ending 1

I borrowed wisadel and she died..

I guess I'll need a tank to hold yui on upper half

[sinful sparrow]

Aint no “sweatlords” -17 on ed2

[stray dove]

well, if they go Ente, sure

by this point doing it as leakless as possible is a form of extra challenge/flex

since yeah it is more impressive to do it leakless

[gaunt bay]

the actual solution is leizi

[stray dove]

Raidian S1 stalls Yi a lot since it's easier to replace and keep tanky.

[fickle coral]

Are Hoshi alter and Haruka limited?

[gaunt bay]

yi gets goobed by trag

[stray dove]

Hoshitter only

[gaunt bay]

if ur just playing ed1 then go trag

[fickle coral]

?? Hoshitter? Why you called her that?

[stray dove]

hilariously it's also pretty annoying to do cat on Yi because the very reason it's easy to stall Yi is the same reason he also makes cat less effective (idle animation when summoning Liangs)
You just slowly learn when it's best to even drop cat during the Liang parade as well since Liangs could immediately pop the cat too early if done incorrectly.

[stray dove]

Why. Not.

it just sounds funny. She ain't shit. Not by a long shot

but it's just hilarious that adding -ter on Hoshi (or Hoshi2) immediately sounds like "Oh Shit"

[arctic breach]

With aspd buffs I question if these fishys are actually holding machine guns instead of their revolvers

[stray dove]

it's hilarious that their idle animation also speeds up

because their idle animation is also their attack animation

[arctic breach]

They just zooooom

What do the other options lead to?
usually I pay him with interest to get his coin and keep the certificate

[nocturne cape]

How broken is handmixing

[nocturne cape]

Option 1: pay 50 , get a tongbao that gives 10 ingot, and on toss make shops more likely to sell rarer collectibles and have a discount)

Option 2: Pay less, but lose certificate, also get the said tongbao

Option 3: fight a decently difficult combat, keep the certificate without paying

[halcyon flame]

mix

[arctic breach]

Cool thanks

I think I'll stick to options that let me keep the certificate

It's too useful

It also saved my ass when I couldn't get any vanguard recruits

[wary zodiac]

Is surtr good in is

[rough mantle]

[arctic panther]

snp moment

[ornate wave]

Mine caps at 4

[wary zodiac]

I believe there upgrade and relic that upgrade cap

[wanton rose]

mine caps at 3

[desert brook]

honestly quite incredible

[errant siren]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock-distorted-pointing-gif-17727854

[stray dove]

one of the more annoying modifiers

[errant siren]

Enemy ATK +20%

🥹

[stray dove]

the only time it felt like it mattered is maybe the burn dmg attached with enemy stats and Sui foot

oh wait there are those Turmoils that rely on you aggroing somebody else so your ranged nuker can take care of the map

what really hurts was the voucher conservation cap being reduced

[gaunt bay]

wis m3 hoederer

bro is actually so pregnant

[nocturne cape]

🫡

show your d18 wis m3 hoe winstreak to make it believable

[wary zodiac]

For me this is worst modifier in is history

[agile hill]

hand mix is too broken for D18, you got to do the DI

is the specialist caster strategy going to more shop than just robbing f1?

[ornate wave]

There's negative collectibles

[stray dove]

ehhh

THIS is true pain

IS3's D4

[ornate wave]

Does d5 contain d4's debuff

Do they stack

[stray dove]

thats the point

IS difficulty modifiers stack

[desert brook]

yea i agree i hate this one a lot

you need it for medal too

[agile hill]

rookie debuff

[stray dove]

makes sense why it feels so shit back in IS3

IS3 was the first time they implemented the difficulty modifier system that goes up to 15

[gaunt bay]

I dont have hoe

[stray dove]

and now they knew it was too harsh to do hope inflation that early

to the point that 6* hope inflations in IS5 and IS6 are very late, D15 late

[desert brook]

ak gamemodes are honestly crazy. like i wouldve thought this was an entirely different game if i didnt know what RA was

[stray dove]

the moment i experienced AK's early stage tutorials

and teaching us that blocking and aggro ain't an ability but just a core aspect of a character
and also allowing for such an easy way to change up maps and deployments

[agile hill]

one issue with is is they kept increasing play time per game

[stray dove]

i knew it was gonna be gold in alt game modes

[wary zodiac]

Nice argument

Ufortunately

[agile hill]

is3 is like 90 minute top

[stray dove]

Roguelites for me personally have never been short game loops anyways

good thing is

roguelites can now be paused in between

at least for the roguelites i play

[desert brook]

yea i dont really mind longer games cuz you can pause them

[stray dove]

it depends on the core game aspect anyways how short or long a roguelite run feels

Balatro for example (up to Ante 8 clear) can be real quick

IS6 can go very long due to how much you can take your time planning and doing Sui Realm/WiW even when compared to other ISs

[wary zodiac]

This is just without 3* but with +20 to stats

[stray dove]

it's Reforged

in other words

it has a flaw you can exploit

if it wasn't reforged....maybe

it would've been a stronger pain in the ass

[nocturne cape]

post dlc1 IS6 gets annoying long imo

if youare doing 2+4

[stray dove]

how so?

[agile hill]

is5 is the longest, if you play things like collection, it takes forever, and if you play soul escort, it takes even longer.

[nocturne cape]

spoiler alert: || You need to do a whole other bosky before entering the ed4 fight||

[stray dove]

I can imagine it takes longest to do Ingot Talons?

[agile hill]

apparently i heard people are saying it took them 4 hours

[wary zodiac]

Reforged?

[stray dove]

cause you are technically turning almost every node into emer fights

[nocturne cape]

if you play normally shouldnt take more than 3

[stray dove]

upgraded debuf relics in IS2

[cold fjord]

It doesn't

Average run takes 2 hours, at most 3

[trail spear]

how do i consistently get to ed3

[stray dove]

truth be told. What IS6 feels for me is longer. But it's way easier to win because taking my time means I get more power in the run

[trail spear]

i feel like i keep too many vouchers to get the 6 candleguests

and then die because i never used any

[stray dove]

IS6 is full on the best way to experience greed = strength gameplay

depends....how does Talons Ingot feel in IS5?

[nocturne cape]

if you like that aspect of it then expansion 1 is gonna be fun for you

[agile hill]

candle guest slot need to be carefully saved after second floor

[wary zodiac]

Personally it's biggest pain in ass cuz idk if you can even remove those

And the other one is straight up -50 to exp

[agile hill]

spend 2 extra hope instead if you don't want to take up a slot

[trail spear]

what?

[stray dove]

NGL I give them props for retaining the original IS2 debuff relics

and removed enemy scaling jsut to compensate their inclusion

[agile hill]

but i guess 6 slot plenty

[trail spear]

????

[agile hill]

i play with 4

[stray dove]

it does make IS2 progression very wonky and RNG af

but at least it retained its signature

[trail spear]

alright i guess you don't know what im talking about then

[wary zodiac]

They awful in is2 cux is2 doesn't have lost and found

[agile hill]

i think you meant you keep too much vouncher but none of them end up being useful to you, and they prevent you from putting in the vouncher you do want?

[stray dove]

theyre not meant to be removed

theyre meant to act like enemy scaling

[agile hill]

is2 got some cursed depedent probability i think on endings, double endings are so hard to get

[stray dove]

theyre not IS3 or IS5's F3 debuff relic that you can trade out

[wary zodiac]

-50% exp as enemy scaling is horrendous at d4

[stray dove]

thats what i meant by it being wonky and RNG-dependent

but tbf

same goes for old school hard mode IS2

if you get Diamond

i guess thats why you really have to take advantage of class squads in IS2

because it's still one of the strongest implemented versions

[wary zodiac]

I forgot how it was there

[stray dove]

it's as what you see

there's no enemy scaling stats in IS2 based on difficulty (both old and new)

the relics are what gives them stats

[ashen valve]

God I love when enemies pops into 10 little flying shits

That dont take damage

[stray dove]

this doesn't exist in IS2 both old and new.

[ashen valve]

I hate all IS

but this one is really ticking me

[stray dove]

go away Confucius

[ashen valve]

Boy

[wary zodiac]

I also hate is2 cuz you can start with debuff that kills everyone

And no healer

[agile hill]

dies hour of sui never go away?

[stray dove]

hahahahha

first time you noticed Drag?

[ashen valve]

Yea it doesn’t

[agile hill]

how much of them can you stack

[ashen valve]

Idk

[stray dove]

3 with f6

[agile hill]

also how do you even get them

[stray dove]

F2, F4, F6

[ashen valve]

every 2 floors

[agile hill]

the paper one is so annoying

also i guesss the enemy hp one is the worst no?

[stray dove]

I actually brought it up recently.

[agile hill]

or maybe it is the worse if you are unlucky

[stray dove]

although they really went ABSURD effects in IS5 since it was "temporary"

But still

I'd rather take lvl 2 Baro any day of the week compared to lvl 3 Ssu Nung

[agile hill]

because in is6 you should just be able to brute force easily

[wet zealot]

How big are the buffs you get when you e2 raidian ?

[agile hill]

unless you got unlucky

[wet zealot]

(Like the is exclusive buffs)

I keep borrowing Raidian to clear d2, but she's been really underwhelming I feel like ?

[nocturne cape]

the IS exclusive buffs are from her proficiencies

[agile hill]

i feel like pan paradox is terrible, because is4 is so shop dependent

[stray dove]

this is Complete Raidian

[nocturne cape]

not from her E2

her E2 only upgrade special squad's effect

[stray dove]

once you get E2

use Special Squad

[agile hill]

always bet on surprise in is4 i guess lol

[stray dove]

it includes her immediately

[wet zealot]

Yeah but you need to e2 your own to get them

That's what I mean

[stray dove]

it's a D2 clear

easy enough

[wet zealot]

I wish I could but I keep dying to random stages

[stray dove]

that's normal

this is a roguelite

[wet zealot]

I think I just don't read what Hour of sui does

[nocturne cape]

borrow tragodia first

[stray dove]

learning is blind

when we die, we learn

[agile hill]

what does she upgrade for special squad

[nocturne cape]

no point using raidian if she's gonna brick herself by f4

[wet zealot]

Mine good enough so I'll use that thanks

[nocturne cape]

theres a guide in pin

you can maybe reference that and adjust based on your own ops

[stray dove]

Farts has ruined some of my typical map placements

[wet zealot]

I suppose the best starting voucher is suppor guard medic ?

[stray dove]

it actually makes MotD unplayable most of the time

since the farts take most of the ranged tiles it already has a few of

[stray dove]

it is

if you do Raidian/Trag

[wet zealot]

I usually go Cutter Purestream Trag/Raidian

Not sure if there's a better 4* guard ?

[fiery raft]

Humus

[stray dove]

either way, don't be too sad if you lose a run. You have incomplete skill tree and you are at your weakest with barely any knowledge of what each map does

[nocturne cape]

starting out yes, because how easy to use humus is

[agile hill]

yeah that thing sucks so badly

[nocturne cape]

on higher diffs you can also consider starting beanstalk + ethan + raidian

[agile hill]

also t1 baro isn't that bad i think

[wet zealot]

Humus fr, ok gonna build him ig 😭

[rapid pulsar]

Is it my being schizo and having memory loss or does cn is5 have some different relics

[fiery raft]

I always do radian Myrtle gravel tho

[stray dove]

Humus and Raidian, the bread and butter of my IS6 F1 Cannot robbing

[lost anchor]

luoxiaohei is yan guard if you want that

[nocturne cape]

you're being schizo and having memory loss 😉

[wet zealot]

Noted

[stray dove]

and i feel like I can still do F1 Cannot Robbing in IS6 no matter the d16-18 modifiers because I will use Special Squad regardless

[fiery raft]

Wind scoot as well

[agile hill]

you rob with raidian special squad with exu. you also get one usable specialist vouncher

[stray dove]

I go for Wis

[ashen valve]

I understand it now

[stray dove]

cause her S2 is better for double laning purposes

[ashen valve]

Yi’s bombs gets lower

[stray dove]

and is a much better carry for multiple early Turmoils imo

[agile hill]

wis is like the only sniper vouncher person you draft i think

[ashen valve]

When he goes down

[ashen valve]

Just get S3

[stray dove]

Wis is most lilely not getting E2

[ashen valve]

S2 is good for the time being but your priority should be getting her

To E2

[stray dove]

in F1 Special Squad in IS6

[ashen valve]

Oh

Nvm then

[lost anchor]

what is the starter team with exu2

[ashen valve]

Who are in the Special squad

[stray dove]

some go with Narantuya if it's raised high

[ashen valve]

I usually go for

[stray dove]

Free Raidian immediately and the other temp squads already with you

with +2 deployment limit

[ashen valve]

Raidian, Gravel, and beanstalk

For starters

[stray dove]

since Special Squad gives raidian immediately

I go Ethan, Wis, ???

[ashen valve]

Is she maxed

[nocturne cape]

Exu Caper Vigna / Exu Roberta Beanstalk / Raidian Exu Myrtle/Beanstalk (Special)

[agile hill]

2 squad size also, squad size very important in is6

[stray dove]

it uses your Raidian's unlocks

[ashen valve]

Oh then

No

[agile hill]

very scarce

[ashen valve]

Mine is E1

[stray dove]

my dude

Special Squad doesn't even have Raidian

until yours are E2

[ashen valve]

[stray dove]

deployment limit i feel a lot more

ngl

[flint token]

e1 raidian after like 2 weeks is some insane shit lowk

[stray dove]

especially in Pathfinder fights (for Bell stacking)

and for some reason, alterform trinkets are harder to get

so getting more squad size or deployment limit ain't easy

[fiery raft]

Just complete the missions

[agile hill]

special squad feels like an alter of a previous squad, does anyone know what it was

[stray dove]

it's just deployment squad

it used to be as shit as +2 squad size +2 deployment limit (that's it. That's your squad perks)

and then improved to have all temp operators

and then Raidian upgraded it further

[agile hill]

was that in is5?

[stray dove]

yeah

but since IS5 was all about relic carrying

you can run maps with as few as 2-3 ops

that it never mattered to have many deployed

or brought

[agile hill]

its because other squad provided much easier time to get other stuff, however in is6 other squad barely give you anything, you might as well start strong

and also is5 squad size and deployment was kind of rare, but not as bad as is6

[stray dove]

the only reason Special Squad is even top tier squad is....Raidian free +2 deployment limit

those alone are huge buffs

for any run that uses Raidian

it also makes F1 Cannot Robbing a lot easier

[agile hill]

they nerfed class squad like what

[stray dove]

since you have 8-9 operators to work with

with most of them being droppable

[stray dove]

it's stronger now than it ever was back in IS3

[agile hill]

oh yeah also is6 made it hard to use squad that gives late advantage

[stray dove]

they are never gonna do IS2-levels of class squad

too strong that every dual class gets insta-E2

ngl i like how dual classes are designed these days

you get easier times to recruit and promote them

and you get more of their class vouchers

it makes it really oriented on the 2 classes you chose

[agile hill]

i remember in is2, getting vouncher you want isn't that desperate, because you are more worried about hope.

[fiery raft]

I hated it, I did all endings with all squads on d12 and getting stuck with mostly that class was not fun

[stray dove]

class squads are really not meant for very early accounts

not when you have barebones to work with

and i get why newer players want in on IS even if barely having any raised

milestone rewards for free (no energy costs, only your time and grind) are tantalizing

[fiery raft]

Tbh, the only class squad I didn't like was caster specialist, the rest wasn't too bad

[stray dove]

this is me during IS1

it was not much fun obviously.

but I knew if i had a better account status that it would be

[stray dove]

That's one of the more stacked ones especially if you keep getting specialist vouchers

and if on lower difficulties, can't go wrong with Lapptop/GG

[fiery raft]

Would you consider d12 lower?

[stray dove]

D12 is "medium/average"

if we're considering difficulty spikes

[fiery raft]

I just did d12 for the badges, completed d15 one time just to see if I could

[stray dove]

IS6 gives you a lot of opportunities to get strong

[agile hill]

oh yeah, if your luck sucks on getting conserved vouncher on f1, you should just use path find and light raidian no? also will radian be promoted if she was e1

[stray dove]

that in itself makes it one of the easier ISs to become powerful if you give it time

[fiery raft]

I agree, is6 is pretty easy

[agile hill]

but one thing is you probably stuffed a lot of sub par vounchers, so choosing the 4 vouncher is more like clearing cconservation

[stray dove]

i've never had such an absurdly bad luck. But truth be told, I barely do any Turmoils in F2 WiW

[errant siren]

No promotion to E2 without voucher. Even by combat option.

[stray dove]

it's only when I'm forced to do a Turmoil just to progress that I even dare try

btw

if I know i don't need the class to be candled

I just recruit a 4* immediately

i am not conserving vouchers I don't need later

not when F1 shop can have vouchers i need

[agile hill]

for 4 problems stage, i can only take 1 reward enemy usually

[stray dove]

on both 1st batch and refresh

[stray dove]

4 Difficulties is something I'd only do in the final visit

just to get the most out of it

that is unless that Turmoil is blocking too much

and there's no alternate ways to get to it

[agile hill]

oh yeah do you also do claw in wiw

[stray dove]

what claw?

[agile hill]

sui

[stray dove]

elaborate a bit more

i don't use the term claw

oh you mean Ed2?

[agile hill]

yes

[stray dove]

simple. legends near center won't have it

so I just dodge Legends in the farther areas

until i have 30 ingots

that is if I want Ed2

if i don't need Ed2. collectible final option

[agile hill]

i mean do you do it in wiw so it won't cause you immediately to die. in normal stage you could die

[stray dove]

doesn't matter

i know how to aggro that Foot easily

especially with Raidian

also i mostly only visit F2 and F4/F5 WiWs

and i doubt I would've gotten Foot in F2

[agile hill]

also do you take ed 3 doubt early if it is blocking a huge amount of node

[stray dove]

with 30 ingots being pretty difficult that early

[stray dove]

if i can't brute force other paths by that point

yeah lose 3 LP for that

IF I don't need Ed3

[agile hill]

oh yeah on f2 you probably never think about that, because having 5 candle guest is very rare

[stray dove]

it is potentially you might have 15 max LP

that early

depending on what you got in F1 Cannot shop and rob

and Ji's shop

and the resource freebie nodes

[agile hill]

wait you can have 15 max lp and take ed 3?

[stray dove]

no

i meant just bypass that node

you need 5 candled for Ed3

[agile hill]

oh thats no good, might as well reset is6 for me

[stray dove]

so here's the thing

anything that ain't the 1st option for Ed3 doubt is not Ed3 ending

but if you do 5 candled

and don't want Ed3, you get the same goodies as doing max 15 LP

[nocturne cape]

Correct

Another reason why ed4 is fraud

[stray dove]

1 collectible and 3 hope

even if Wang fight isn't close to Craz levels, his 2 debuffs really make most of the run really difficult

and depending on how shit you are in the run, Wang fight will be brutal if you have not candled your necessary operators

i remember in my Ed3 squad clear marathon

[agile hill]

wait, do you get 3 collectible for that one doubt? but i think 3 collectible isn't too good.

[stray dove]

there were some last minute candling

in F6 pathfinder (not guaranteed)

[agile hill]

but not having -50% initial sp is very good

[stray dove]

the Ed4 debuff relic is a joke

when compared to Wang's

[fiery raft]

One time I tried to do ed3 and there was no pathfinder on floor 5, I was mad

[stray dove]

it's just stats

like the typical

[stray dove]

goddamn

that was rough luck

i do tend to do Masterplan fight in F5 Pathfinder

[fiery raft]

Yeah, only run that happened to me when I was completing all ending on all squads

[agile hill]

people say clarity is harder than ed 3, i feel like ed 3 is much harder, it checks your overall stats and squad much stronger

[fiery raft]

I didn't even know it was possible

[stray dove]

it depends.
because sometimes when you're finally at Wang fight, you're already way stronger than your potential Masterplan fight

don't know why people do it as early as F4

hell, sometimes

F6 fight have higher chance of killing you

due to both Wang debuffs making an already hard map harder

the only time I felt like an F6 fight is weaker than the boss itself was only in IS4 and IS5

[agile hill]

yeah and those wallbreaker checks your stats so hard, and you also have hp loss

[stray dove]

Garrison is just all about willing to hide in the panels

and making sure whoever's not hiding

can tank the harass and not splashing on other panels

[agile hill]

i mean wallbreaker, the enemy named wallbreaker

the cannon in ed 3

[stray dove]

oh tha.

that never felt as dangerous

maybe because of my preferred things going well enough

that i never feel too "thin"

especially since my greedy Ed3 comp

runs a Shu opener

allowing me to heal anyone at the back that would get cannon'd

[fiery raft]

I also open with shu

[agile hill]

if the run has not been going well, they basically put a nail on the coffin on your run

[stray dove]

i think I would've died early

if the run was that shit

hell

I died to a Yi fight

[agile hill]

and the thing is, ed 3 really do not want you to have more op to assist them, because the boss will put flaw

[stray dove]

because the run was rough

and i had double Wang debuffs

[stray dove]

depends really. The earlier drops i do are the flawkillers en masse

as long as i do not let Wang corner 1 single ops in every corner

[agile hill]

so if you struggled through ed 2 and f6, they really screw you over

[stray dove]

I'll just tank the harass

hilariously

I only recruit Mlynar in Ed3 routing

he solves Wang opener and Clarity opener easier

but i can do an Ed3 without Mlynar

a really shit voucher luck in that run

[agile hill]

i think leizi is better

[stray dove]

but the run was smooth enough

I don't have her

[fiery raft]

For me I only recruit mlynar ed2, Leizi2 for ed3

[stray dove]

nor does Cube mention that she was a must pull

so I remain Lazerless and still pretty successful

[agile hill]

her range let her open ed 3 without being hit by wall breakers if you have good damagee

[fiery raft]

Tho my first few ed3 runs I was rockin mlynar because I wasn't familiar with leizis game

[agile hill]

you need good damage because wall breaker doesn't camp long either

[fiery raft]

I had her but didn't use her

[stray dove]

Cube also mentioned that Haruka isn't exactly a must-pull to be IS6-successful so I'm still thinking if I would roll for Haruka afterwards if I get Hoshitter first

[agile hill]

mlynar is strongeer in wonderland and leizi is stronger outside

[stray dove]

I don't even solve Turmoils much outside of Raidian, Geexu, Wis

it takes a weird run for me to go outside that trio box

Trag helps a bit in Turmoils where Gopnik is included

that's for sure

but more commonly than not, i would have runs that are Trag-less

and just have to rely on Raidian summon spam

[fiery raft]

Same

[sick mason]

Can't imagine having a Raidian-less run

[sick mason]

It's pretty funny despite these 2 are liberator guards, their use case is quite different

[stray dove]

you can since I've had Turmoils that fully relied in E2 Wis and E2 Geexu

it's just that you will lose conserved voucher limit, and a lot of other bonuses like Encounter/Legend choice options

[sick mason]

It sucks when your conserved voucher is only 4

[stray dove]

my dude it's already 4 where i am

with Raidian

due to D11

[sick mason]

I thought with Raidian it would be 5?

[stray dove]

D11

[sick mason]

Reduced by how many? 2??

Because when I run D10 with Raidian from floor 1, I have 6

[stray dove]

reduced by 1

[stray dove]

1 squad increases it

1 relic increases it

[sick mason]

I run def/support squad tho

[inner gyro]

Does Cannot store return after getting his tongbao even I defeated him on floor 1?

[stray dove]

no

[inner gyro]

scam

damnit

[stray dove]

thats the point of robbing him

[sick mason]

Godblessed coin really granting me these craps

[stray dove]

you rob him when you no longer need to revisit him

[stray dove]

did you get this?

[sick mason]

Nope

My last D10 run didn't have that

And my conserve voucher limit from floor 1 is 6

[stray dove]

ngl i don't remember how much D11 reduces it. All I know is my D12 Raidian runs

only have 4 default

[sick mason]

With Raidian in the squad ofc

[stray dove]

thats how i adapt in roguelites anyways

"this is the new norm now, I'm gonna acclimate through this sooner or later"

[sick mason]

Now I know why those ursus drones in wonderland can one shot almost anyone in my damn squad

D7 is the primary cause...

"Enemies no longer weakened in wonderland"

So before that, they all have been weakened by how much??

[stray dove]

yeah Turmoils were nerfed early on

doesn't matter. If you're not going to go down in difficulty

you might as well forget those weaklings

[sick mason]

Just like IS5, I casually running IS6 in between D6-D9 now

Since I already maxxed Raidian

[stray dove]

but,......ending clear tiers

[sick mason]

Dude I ain't stepping into D15

[cold fjord]

-50% stats

👍

[stray dove]

only need D12 my boi

for ending clear tiers

[sick mason]

... Crap D12

How much coupons increase?

[stray dove]

this is the only place it records anything higher than D12 that matters.

[stray dove]

by 1

first retoss is 1

next retosses are all 2

[sick mason]

Wtf first toss is no longer free?

[stray dove]

nope

shop refreshes are technically just as is with +1

[sick mason]

First refresh in rogue trader (Cannot) means cost 2 coupons then??

[raw hemlock]

higher difficulties turn into "here's your coins, take 'em or leave 'em" huh

[stray dove]

yeah

depends

if you have Drum

you're gonna retoss once every floor

for best value

[raw hemlock]

oooooo

[sonic sable]

Drum rolll!!!

[raw hemlock]

🥁

[sick mason]

I remember I did this in like 6 tosses only because 7 out of 10 coins I have are risk ones

[stray dove]

Now that I have done everything in IS5 and a lot of IS6.....man, IS4's holy trinity doesn't look too strong now by comparison

[sick mason]

Truly what makes IS4 playable

[raw hemlock]

anyway i made a new is6 run with the same startup (kettle, reserve ops + Raidian, Podenco, Purestream now at e1lvl60, leizi2) and one of the first nodes is WHACKAMOLE :D

[stray dove]

most of IS4 is feeling that you are relicless

with how poor the rarity pools are sometimes

[sick mason]

But ofc IS5's king's relics and IS6's coins shenanigans powercrept everything in IS4

[stray dove]

with Foldartals carrying your ass

king relics weren't even consistent in IS5 until Lamp

[sick mason]

Not to mention the final blow is that 4* are FREE in IS5 and IS6

Completely destroying any purpose of IS3 and IS4

[fiery raft]

You can do whackamole with just radian

[raw hemlock]

heheheheheheheheh

[sick mason]

Especially in IS3 where even 3* costs 1 more hope

Like what the actual f

[raw hemlock]

favorite node favorite node

[stray dove]

the point was

that the difficulty would be enough

that free 4* won't feel as powerful of a norm

[sick mason]

I still feel like IS4 is more tryhard than IS5 and IS6

[woeful anchor]

is4 is a joke

with modern ops

[sick mason]

And IS3 is still hot garbage

[woeful anchor]

😴