is-station

[severe oasis]

u cant have candleguests if u enter f1 bosky

[dark oasis]

prioritizing radian and exualt

[sonic sable]

Just for shop relics or vouchers?

[gentle pagoda]

yeah sound good

[severe oasis]

no point just enter f2

[gaunt bay]

Roseee

[severe oasis]

omg kiwi

[tacit oyster]

I enter F1 bosky for free coin toss and early shop since I can easily regain lives after planning

[gaunt bay]

Mwah!

[sonic sable]

Get a room

[wispy owl]

Get a building

[carmine token]

[gaunt bay]

Sorry housing is too expensive

[split void]

We have 3 candle there. I think we are good to get something, but feel kinda unnecessary

[carmine token]

get a dark place

[wispy owl]

So ur hunting for sugar daddies on discord

[gaunt bay]

?

What

[faint rampart]

[wispy owl]

[gaunt bay]

Ur all stinky

[distant glade]

NEVER MIND

I tried emergency free and got wiped

went in with 25ish life and shields

did not make it out

[nocturne cape]

Oh shit EM greenhill challenger

Rip

[winter belfry]

Lightwork

[nocturne cape]

Yeah the EM has one of the biggest difficulty spike within the F5 stages

[winter belfry]

I think the worst one is

the records one

[nocturne cape]

+50% stats is uncommon for EMs

[winter belfry]

I forgot the name

but the fucking possessed enemies are so tanky

[nocturne cape]

Mangshan town records

Yes

Its a top 3 for sure

[winter belfry]

Ive never been able to beat it

[nocturne cape]

Because on that stage there will be bonethrower on the right side specifically on the EM verison

Honestly none of the f5 EMs are exactly easy

But i do hate Greenhill, Mangshan town and Unlit Sparks the most

[sonic sable]

Unlit sparks is the one with flowers?

[ivory acorn]

man

[nocturne cape]

This one

[ivory acorn]

this is6 is ahh

[winter belfry]

throwers with +75 aspd is so shit

you cant destroy the statues easily either

[nocturne cape]

Fastings get stealth on the EM version

Very disgusting

[boreal birch]

In is5 can i get end 1 3 and 5?

[nocturne cape]

Yes

[boreal birch]

Aye big thanks

[nocturne cape]

Ed1 and 2 are exclusive, 3 and 4 are exclusive

To each other

[sonic sable]

This feels ok

[nocturne cape]

You need a wisadel here

[distant glade]

the cross-shaped aoe was the bigger problem in that attempt. I couldn't get any good dps skills off

[dark oasis]

yeah I'm giving up on difficulty 4 today

[winter belfry]

Oh yeah unlit sparks, everythings a stackstick there

[nocturne cape]

On EM

EM diff is hard to measure based on NM

Unlit sparks is pretty easy on NM

[winter belfry]

Yeah true

I just spawncamp on normal

[faint rampart]

i hope i have an end of times somewhere in there

[winter belfry]

shouldve put leizi one tile down

[vagrant burrow]

isn’t that livable 🥹

maybe you’re giga low rolling idk

[ionic cradle]

Can the passive heal relics affect the Qui lon balls?

[faint rampart]

skill issue unfortunately

[ionic cradle]

Lack of more 3x3 ranged

[compact gorge]

You need specific troops to clear this stage

Luckily that characters can help you in ending 3 as well

[slate hull]

in my experience you put leizi under the red box and ascalon above the red box and that already clears 90% of the stage

[faint rampart]

whats the list? will try recruiting them next time

[faint rampart]

i see, i assume mizuki works too?

[compact gorge]

Yato s3, ascalon any skill (s3 does better), kalsit

[faint rampart]

[compact gorge]

Leizi s2 suffocate there

[arctic panther]

put leizi right above the blue box so she can clear the talisman guys spawncamping the top right tiles

[tribal furnace]

I am SO PISSED

[arctic panther]

leizi s2 suffocates anywhere

[tribal furnace]

I gave up the run

[arctic panther]

you’re almost never getting her full range

[tribal furnace]

Was command level 3 at first boss

Rolled Gift of accord 6 Time in a row

[compact gorge]

[tribal furnace]

+20% HP and ATk for Apparition

Yeah alright game, just fuck off

[faint rampart]

[compact gorge]

[faint rampart]

[slate hull]

the range is calculated by taking steps from where leizi is located, if a tile can be reached in 3 or less steps then it is considered valid, you are getting pretty decent range here imho

[tribal furnace]

Yeah ok

First roll

I'll just go sleep ig

[empty gulch]

wait, do they stack?

[real tulip]

ofc

no reason for them to not

[ionic cradle]

Is the only way to really counter Qui Lon's ending is to also manage to have enemies get -50% max HP....

[empty gulch]

tf ur babblin

[ionic cradle]

Every one of those jeeps are elites...

[ionic cradle]

Suffering from the HP jank man

[empty gulch]

still dont get it

[ionic cradle]

Wha

[empty gulch]

r u talkin about is5 ed4?

[ionic cradle]

Yeah, I mean what other ending would Qui lon be on--- other than ED5...

[empty gulch]

only 1 & 2

[ionic cradle]

wym

[empty gulch]

cuz quilon is on the same floor as patriot, just named differently

u cant simultaneously do ed3 & 4

[ionic cradle]

Wha- I already know that, why are ya saying this?

[empty gulch]

i probably misunderstood ur question

[ionic cradle]

it's a bit of a crashout all due to that fuckin relic that gives every elite and leaders be shit tanky with +50% HP, the -50% exp and ingots ain't much of a problem with either of the two collectible squads or inspire squad (if lucky with hovercrafts)

At the same time those carriers...

[nocturne cape]

well quilon is clearly designed with anasa's karma in mind due to obvious reason

so consider that part of his intended stats

you cant play ed4 without anasa's karma anyway

[dusk creek]

human relics

[ionic cradle]

Which is bbssss

[potent yarrow]

lol idk what is6 collectible made cat to 1 second cd only

[ionic cradle]

Probably a summoner relic

Since Trag's cat is considered a summon

[potent yarrow]

yeah might be, damn idk what collectible even that is, cant click them on the end screen

[cunning abyss]

i have heard angelina is finally getting some play again with is6?
i've been out of the loop for a bit and was wondering why? (am happy to hear though!)

[nocturne cape]

if anything she has always been in the meta

[gaunt bay]

alpha mod

[nocturne cape]

not is5 because of hand related issues

[gaunt bay]

if anything shes worse than is4

[gaunt bay]

nop defsupp ange start

so called 90% wr

(it turned out to be fake)

[nocturne cape]

thats not a meta comp

[halcyon flame]

canon event

[cunning abyss]

ohhh she got an IS module, i missed that somehow
so is4 is where she's best?

[nocturne cape]

shes meta in IS3 and 4

has a niche comp built around her in 5

good pick in 6

[cunning abyss]

I appreciate the info!
I am doing an is6 run and have raidian and tragodiia already e2

and keep getting support vouches, so i was wondering who else was good haha

[remote badger]

after anniversary

u have haruka

[cunning abyss]

anniversary is soon... haruka looks so cute

[remote badger]

fih

[surreal vapor]

topmost rightmost relic is -25% then probably risk coin -65%

[gaunt lichen]

omg haruka mentioned!!

[halcyon flame]

[remote badger]

why this creature is so cute

[final gale]

does is6 have its 1st dlc in ato event?

i only remember they got dlc like a month or two upon release

which is way too early compare to other IS

[gaunt bay]

after

[final gale]

ahhh i see tnx

[rapid pulsar]

She looks more like a hello kitty girl than hello kitty gg

[mint gull]

Is6 is so easy

[sinful sparrow]

now ban Raidian

[remote badger]

now ban exualt trag wis raidian -

[sinful sparrow]

trag thinks he’s in the same squad…

[gaunt bay]

Bro thinks hes on the team

[rapid pulsar]

Non limited peasant

[cunning abyss]

omg thank you for pointing that out, i totally see it now
i love her even more now

[rapid pulsar]

I don’t think that’s healthy…

[stray dove]

an ASPD run with no DPS relics yet in F5....let's see if I can go all the way

btw is this the worst F5 map?

cause there has been no way I've made this map feel smooth or carefree

[slate hull]

this one is pretty awful, you need a very stacked team

if you let left lanes get to the stairs you are pretty much done because you can't stop them in that corridor

right lane has artillery slugs and 2 talisman spawners and you can't even place anyone close to them

[stray dove]

Cangtong helping me stall the enraged army rush

[round trellis]

Those "gain X when entering Sui's consciousness" relics, do you actually have to enter into the actual wonderland to get the bonus, or do you also get the bonus if you just enter the node, get the candles, and leave?

[stray dove]

it's just based on where you are when you tossed it

are you talking about the coins that give something on normal floor or on sui floor?

[obsidian monolith]

oh uh, any info on which stage was the one for this and rewards or prob not worth it to risk it?

[stray dove]

that fight

is either Manmade Carnival

or Out of Control

[round trellis]

depends on # of risk coins tossed

[stray dove]

if you care about that run too much

[heavy pumice]

to think game gave me congestion again and thought i would lose again
haha loser, i win perfectly 😂

[stray dove]

do not

[round trellis]

specifically this

[stray dove]

oh

that just means

+1 candle WHEN YOU ENTER

[round trellis]

it's a bit ambiguous what "enter" in this case means, you can argue either that it means actually going into the bosky map, or going into the bosky node

[slate hull]

I think the seaborn encounter also has special stages for flower coins because I got it once and it gave me a stage with 1 burdenbeast and a bunch of birds I could farm for ingots

[stray dove]

you need to get inside Sui realm

in other words

picking candles

and skipping the floor to conserve it for later visits

won't count

[round trellis]

3 balance coins is random floor 4 battle
1 risk coin is manmade carnival
2 risk coins is ooc
balance + flower coins is joy from burdenbeast

[stray dove]

welcome to ASPD Dream Curio (with last minute Drum)

[round trellis]

I haven’t gotten 3 risk coins tossed on that encounter yet

But I assume it is also ooc

[stray dove]

wouldn't that be the reason Totally OOC exists?

or is the OOC always Totally OOC?

[round trellis]

Always, map looks different

I think the distinction is 2 risk coins is ooc, 3 might be em version

[stray dove]

"looks different" sure....

just a skin change

[rapid matrix]

yoink

[stray dove]

dang

i just took the time to finally check enemy index on what apparition enemies are

it's literally all the enemies in Sui events

and all the unique IS6 enemies and bosses

it's like that sarkaz damage relic in IS5 in terms of value

in other words, even if I have ASPD coin and Chalice

I would still take that if I'm lacking DPS relics

[sinful sparrow]

its not even a good DPS relic

The relic is just for furnitures

And thats it

[ionic cradle]

All of the bosses on IS6 counts as an apparition so far

Pretty peak

[ionic cradle]

Only exception is about the Chongyue event ones, since they're all bout bandits or smth

[static dragon]

they were whole organization

[ionic cradle]

Close nuff

[static dragon]

like... what kind of bandit have mobile tank?

[heavy pumice]

huh? where my ed5?
whatever, just fuck you game

[ionic cradle]

Dunno, some bandits that possibly stole it

[ionic cradle]

Loves to appear on halfway floors

[heavy pumice]

its rng anyway
most of the time i activate ed5 at f6, now rng not on my side
guess have to settle with double ending

[stray dove]

oh yeah of course

the Shanhaizong are all hoomens

there's so many Sui events already I forgot CY's toxic batch

[ionic cradle]

Random dog and machines within

[stray dove]

they aren't bandits anyway

they're an actual organization

hell, they have help from within as well since there's always a supporter/mole/spy in most civil wars.

[keen geode]

Am i cooked (ed3)
If I ain't, how should i fight this boss?

[wary yacht]

S2 raidian

And the rest up to you

Definitely s3 eyja alter too

Also anything but s3 on leizi and go for s3 on yato alter

[wintry void]

Isn’t Leizi s3 the best for the hit count bros?

[shy solar]

no it depends

[wintry void]

But can probably just fully leak left

[shy solar]

s1 could be good too if it directly under her

[muted tundra]

iirc the dogs are actually creations of Ya

[severe oasis]

and ur a creation of cuteness (idk meow)

[wary yacht]

You want to use her s1/s2 for the range and killing things that spawn rather than the hitcount guys

[nocturne cape]

🥶

[potent yarrow]

bruh really?? the boss still spawns on boss stage?

[nocturne cape]

Yes

[potent yarrow]

i mean the ed2 boss thing sorry

[severe oasis]

now ur fighting 2 bosses

[potent yarrow]

bruh

run is over hfosisusbs

[wary yacht]

It only appears once so you’re fine

[muted tundra]

chat is this rizz

you should be able to aim sui steppy on yi for instakill

[severe oasis]

[muted tundra]

[nocturne cape]

Why is CN maint so long

This is when im glad that im playing EN

[muted tundra]

why did they cook so hard with the dozen npc designs

only to make a sargonian the 6*

[heavy pumice]

even with +100% hp it didnt survive from being one shot-ed :icant:

guess white shoes are needed to make a better placement for ts

[severe oasis]

-11 ermmmm what happened there!

oh nvm you lost that is not a phase transition

[heavy pumice]

well... they one shot my setup :ya:

[uneven dew]

wtfffff quitting mid run counts as a forfeit

[severe oasis]

if its in a battle yeah

otherwise no

[pearl moat]

how does one even achieve this many promotions

in is6

[uneven dew]

I was one battle away from beating floor 2...

[severe oasis]

if u didnt quit mid-battle then the run is still there

[pearl moat]

you arent even on the upgraded squad

its the basic supporter medic sniper

[uneven dew]

I started a fight, went to do something for a few hours

logged back in and the run is over

[severe oasis]

slight highroll but also this isnt as insane as it would be in prev IS

hope is like a non-issue on low diff

and way less of an issue than before even on d15

[nocturne cape]

[gaunt bay]

Hai rose ;3

[severe oasis]

KIWIIIII

[gaunt bay]

Meoww

[ivory badge]

BP go brrrr

[sinful sparrow]

Kill this highroller

[nocturne cape]

nope

i quit the run

[sinful sparrow]

is this raidian or no raidian

[nocturne cape]

i failed F2 pathfinder promote battle

xd

[sinful sparrow]

oh

mpreg

[nocturne cape]

i have severe skill issue

[sinful sparrow]

was that a raidianless run

[nocturne cape]

yes

[sinful sparrow]

[nocturne cape]

i know for a fact that there's an exu timing out there

i just suck

[sinful sparrow]

this is why ur a pregnant

[nocturne cape]

hehe

[sinful sparrow]

surely

i just proc s2 and pray

teehee

[nocturne cape]

but yeah

the plan was exu ela

or maybe ill just wait for hoshi

feels like the comp needs a good ground unit

but i played around with it

not terrible

ela solves some damage requirement for ed2

and the duo is ok in bosky too

its just that i need to learn the exu timing for every pathfinder fight on f2

not sure if this is better than mizuki exu tho

[split void]

Why do I have that Leisure there ?

[faint rampart]

raidian

[split void]

Are you answering me there ? I don't get it ?

Oh this thing right ?

Kk

[faint rampart]

yea :ggnod:

[wanton rose]

do you light exu2 here?

do i need e2 vigna here
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QebkzcEcN/

s2m3 and modded as well

[nocturne cape]

yes

well

at least that's what im thinking

and no you dont need e2 vigna

im no expert on the comp tho

played 5 runs yesterday won 2

🫃

i dont know how exu ela is supposed to win hitcount stages

[wanton rose]

damn

[faint rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/754047873523384400.png

shoprob without raidian, thanks for sharing it femn

[wanton rose]

surely ISC have more

[nocturne cape]

every class squad can rob somehow

[faint rampart]

if you just need to kill the statue then e160 does fine for me(assuming cannot doesn't pull funni or something, sometimes also fk up cuz of coins)

[wanton rose]

yea that's fine just highroll

[nocturne cape]

defsupp = raidian
spec cast = exu
guard vanguard = leizi
snipermed = wisadel

can all rob

[wanton rose]

shop rob is early enough you can handle resetting

[faint rampart]

[wanton rose]

cube play new event :realmad:

[lost anchor]

can hoshi2 do it

[faint rampart]

didn't know that, thanks

[wanton rose]

why am i healing ponds Cube

[nocturne cape]

i dont think hoshi2 can rob?

idk

mainly because the defender starting squad sucks

actually

maybe it can

you just need ground units on f1

but yeah, may and click are not good units for shop rob

caper is better but still

[sinful sparrow]

unironically might as well go exu mizukerd

ela is so shit from what i experienced

[faint rampart]

[muted tundra]

i like exu-ela

[sinful sparrow]

[nocturne cape]

yeah

its mainly how much you want to respect the endings

i think ela is better for endings

[muted tundra]

yea

that's why i take her

good for 2+3 i think

[faint rampart]

was just starting to feel better for missing ela, thanks cube

[muted tundra]

[nocturne cape]

oh, you're absolutely fine without her

spec voucher is already competitive anyway

[muted tundra]

she does feel like a luxury from playing speccas only and getting enough spec tickets

[sinful sparrow]

If it makes you feel better, Raidian pretty much destroys any needs for Ela

[muted tundra]

like iunno how else you justify her

and we'll get another good source of fragile One Day

[wanton rose]

curie

[muted tundra]

like gnosis alpha!!!!

hiii

[sinful sparrow]

Bread is cute

[sinful sparrow]

exu mizukerd yato yep

[split void]

The more I play, the more I rely on Radian

[sinful sparrow]

6 spec ticket tax

[split void]

She is just crazy good

[wanton rose]

raidian is is6 brainrot

[split void]

Like Ling in Is 2

[muted tundra]

i gotta start yato tho

[split void]

[muted tundra]

[uneven dew]

any good 5* support/vanguards I should use

[muted tundra]

surfer (or canta) is best vanguard available pretty much

[uneven dew]

never heard of them

[muted tundra]

yea because they're not on kernel

also canta is cantabile mb

[gaunt bay]

omg curie hai

[split void]

Well I still using Texas

[muted tundra]

hiii

[gaunt bay]

[uneven dew]

oh I thought it was cantaloupe

[gaunt bay]

hows ur day

cantaloupe

[muted tundra]

she doesn't have melons, alas

[sinful sparrow]

no yato 🥀

[gaunt bay]

fib alter

[sinful sparrow]

yato is my comfy option for ed2 left if ascalon is slop

and cant do shit

[gaunt bay]

how much damage does asca need to kill sharpedge on her own

[muted tundra]

@uneven dew supporters would be ummm I think some people here like quercus rn..? (for ed3) I don't have her built so idk
other than that idk

I don't think shamare does much in is6

does she?

[gaunt bay]

someone shilled quercus here before haruka dropped i think

[muted tundra]

oh shamare helps ed2 maybe..? haven't tried yet

[uneven dew]

well I don't need the BIS, just someone usable... so I have something to do with the 5 billion support vouchers

[muted tundra]

oh!

apart from quercus and shamare it's slim pickings

[faint rampart]

its the arts fragility i assume(?)

[muted tundra]

roberta is more helpful in is5/6 than most 5*

imo

[uneven dew]

I have shamare but what does quercus do

[muted tundra]

heal+sanctuary

with a unique range

very strong heal too

[uneven dew]

bard?

[muted tundra]

abjurer

bards are a tough sell

heidi had one application in IS history

but yea 5* supporters are generally tepid

[heavy pumice]

perfumer2 is interesting
even tho s2 is... too long to cycle 🚬

[muted tundra]

as opposed to 5* vanguards

[uneven dew]

ok what about 6* supports

[muted tundra]

perfumer2 pretty....

[faint rampart]

:binoculars:

[muted tundra]

not counting raidian... tragodia, haruka (in two weeks), angelina (with IS mod)

all very strong

[uneven dew]

I have raidian E1... no skill levels tho

[muted tundra]

keep playing hehe

[uneven dew]

at that point it's just a waste of hope

[heavy pumice]

gacha ops have 70s cooldown assuming p5 goes down to 60s
60+30s each skill is kinda
even tho the buff provided are quite good

[muted tundra]

hiiii

am I late

[heavy pumice]

oh ok
titi is another new ops with mandatory module :icant:

[muted tundra]

@uneven dew honestly it depends on what you're trying to do (is6?) and what difficulty it's on

you may wanna share your acct if you have specific questions

[uneven dew]

I'm just trying to beat it for the first time

so my raidian isn't useless...

[muted tundra]

[uneven dew]

but I keep getting fked over by bad voucher rolls

[muted tundra]

oki yea understood

[uneven dew]

last time I didn't get a single defender the whole run

[muted tundra]

[uneven dew]

instead I got 4 suppor vouchers

[gaunt bay]

mwah

[muted tundra]

oof that's unlucky

[heavy pumice]

well keep going at it
that how IS work in nutshell

[uneven dew]

thank god I have exu alter at least

[muted tundra]

yippee

[uneven dew]

otherwise all my specialist vouchers are useles too

[heavy pumice]

me when play sniper med got 6 consecutive def voucher be like
that is common thing

[muted tundra]

exu on base difficulty will carry a lot of weight and can DPS the boss mostly

I wouldn't worry too much about what you're picking with supporter vouchers

in general

if you're stuck with four that's unlucky

IS is kinda hostile toward players with small accts :x

[faint rampart]

my module income cant keep up with this

[muted tundra]

@uneven dew are you using a support unit to start with?

[uneven dew]

no

tho all of the starters feel bad to use

[muted tundra]

I gather you don't have tragodia..?

[uneven dew]

I have

[muted tundra]

ah oki oki that makes things easier

[uneven dew]

and he did carry a lot

but he cannot carry no defenders

[heavy pumice]

good thing is, i guessing titi module not as hungry as perfumer2 mod

[muted tundra]

yea if your goal is clearing ending 1 then exu and tragodia will carry a lot of weight

[uneven dew]

I had 1 vanguard and 1 guard as my only blockers

and if one of them dies it's joever

[muted tundra]

if you're using exu as a starter, then I'd recommend roberta

[uneven dew]

I'm not

[gaunt bay]

'berta

[muted tundra]

who's your starter?

[gaunt bay]

you can open both exu and radian on low diff btw

[muted tundra]

their raidian is e1 still hehe

[uneven dew]

idk I choose random cus all the others are terrible 💀

[muted tundra]

and I think maybe not -4 hope

[gaunt bay]

[ivory gull]

which is the better skill to kill yi with using raidian?

[gaunt bay]

cant you do same on d15 anyways

[muted tundra]

1 for defense/stall, 3 for offense

[gaunt bay]

5+3 no?

[muted tundra]

2 is bad

[gaunt bay]

with the er

ground/ranged squad

[faint rampart]

what if its raidian solo

[gaunt bay]

just get hot water

[muted tundra]

[faint rampart]

need kettle

[gaunt bay]

just get bro

just get

[uneven dew]

I also don't have any good 5* defenders

[faint rampart]

dw about 5*

[muted tundra]

do you have gummy built?

[stray dove]

i don't recruit 5* defenders

[muted tundra]

5* are a scam (usually)

[uneven dew]

no...

[muted tundra]

unless you're a birdknights player and need firewhistle

I would recommend building gummy nodnod

[uneven dew]

maybe 4* defenders

[muted tundra]

by building I mean

E1Lv60 SL7

E2 not needed

[stray dove]

maybe just maybe

she's contributed hard ever since 4* became free recruit costs (IS5)

[burnt lantern]

The requirement to get this is to reach at least F2 right, just like written there.. but why there are times i dont get this, when i reset run on F2?

[uneven dew]

do 4*s get upgraded at all

[muted tundra]

IS5/6 is the golden age of third floor reset
we used to have to walk uphill both ways in the snow

👵

[faint rampart]

bosky

(i think)

[stray dove]

i don't feel like F3 buffs are as broken as it was before

IS6 gives a lot of free resources from WiW visits

and coins

[nocturne cape]

Is6’s f3 reset is dead post dlc1

[uneven dew]

gummy is like budget saria right

[nocturne cape]

Cringe

1 more combat column on f1

[stray dove]

what diluted it? It already feels not too strong

[muted tundra]

promoted to E2? in IS6 sometimes it can be worth if you have a reserved voucher you don't need (for a 6*), so you can promote+light a 4* for 0 hope

[stray dove]

ah

[burnt lantern]

Can you elaborate bit more?

[stray dove]

making resets longer

that is....one of the many reasons i need to get rare IS6 floor debuffs before Expansion 1

[muted tundra]

but in general you don't draft 4* to E2 them, no

[stray dove]

F1 and F2 will gain an extra node

[muted tundra]

you draft 4* because they're good at E1

[stray dove]

in Expansion 1

[faint rampart]

uhhh i usually get it when i also enter bosky at f1

[stray dove]

@nocturne cape Still can't get cohesive might

is it really only that specific legend node that ain't even a common proc?

[nocturne cape]

are you trading the top rarity coins?

[stray dove]

I've been spamming plans

[muted tundra]

tl;dr yes, budget Saria S1

[stray dove]

hmmm top rarity coins

ok I think I'll do taht in the future

[nocturne cape]

you cant just random get cohesive might

[stray dove]

what are top rarity?

fellow merchant coins?

[nocturne cape]

12 ingots in value

[stray dove]

name some of them

or all of them

[muted tundra]

but Gummy is secretly stronger with stun relics /j

[nocturne cape]

one sec

[burnt lantern]

Ah. Yea, i also always get it if i do 1 or 2 node on F2. But it feels inconsistent with the written requirement (reach at least F2)

[stray dove]

I'm 1 clear away anyways from complete ending squad clears pre-expansion

so I'll be doing a lot of throwaway runs

for index completion

[uneven dew]

the 99 DP for global stun relic is crazy

😭

[muted tundra]

[muted tundra]

yea!!

:D

[stray dove]

or just have really good DP printing.

[uneven dew]

especially if you have the start with 99 DP coin...

[muted tundra]

i love that coin sm

[faint rampart]

i dunno about that, but just getting to f2(then quit) and entering the suiconsc on f1 usually works

[muted tundra]

ignore the abject panic that comes from trying to triage ed3

with no DP

[uneven dew]

yeah that coin lets you cheese bosses by just deploying everything at once and overwhelming it xd

[stray dove]

i've always been careful about the 99 DP

cause it makes you feel like you no longer need DP printing

but it is awful if you're wiping

and you don't regen DP with any operator

[uneven dew]

I still put down myrtle

[muted tundra]

could you imagine having that with sentinel

[muted tundra]

as in like
take her out back and shoot her?

D:

[uneven dew]

as in throw her down

onto my bed

(then put the blanket on)

[muted tundra]

whew

[nocturne cape]

Duck Coin
Primal Farming
Godblessed
Odd Merchant
LeiFaPunishment
Arduous Trade
Stove Alight
Sand Shield
Cohesive Might
Coccoon Silk
Rogue Token
Mortal Endurance

@stray dove

[muted tundra]

what is this font of cube knowledge

oh is it just a list of rare coins?

[nocturne cape]

yeah

[gaunt bay]

i was not liking where this was going

[nocturne cape]

jusan's farming for cohesive might

if you see any coin that's not on this list appearing from plan

your coin has been downgraded

[muted tundra]

i'm gonna throw you onto my bed

[nocturne cape]

but if you keep those downgrade coins in your coffer

[gaunt bay]

go on

im waiting

[nocturne cape]

your future plan trades have less chance of downgrading

[muted tundra]

wait

that sure is a mechanic I knew about

h-haha

[stray dove]

HAHAHAH
so....noting to make it far easier.
Tianshi Coins THAT ISN'T HEAVY DUTIES
The Flower coins in Merchant Coins (forget Rogue Token, fucking hassle)

wtf is Mortal Endurance?

[nocturne cape]

the redeployment coin

[uneven dew]

@muted tundra they're still waiting

[nocturne cape]

when your ops is killed redeploy them facing random direction

[stray dove]

that's the rarest of the normal coin batch?

damn

makes sense

it says it's a risk coin

but not much cons

even if it makes your ops reorient

[nocturne cape]

12 ingot coins can only downgrade via martial fight, bustling trade, and Sinister Stealth

[stray dove]

it is still a free revive (for aggro)

[nocturne cape]

so if you keep all 3 of those in your coffer your 12 ingots coin cant downgrade anymore

[stray dove]

so i can keep cycling as long as it doesn't hit those 3 coins

rough still

this does mean the 12 coin rarity pool

is plentiful enough

that it's just RNG cycling by this point

[nocturne cape]

if you hit those 3 coins you should keep them

but yeah

[stray dove]

still cant you get Cohesive Might normally?

[nocturne cape]

i dont think so?

[stray dove]

it feels weird that I am only getting it via plan cycling (not even upgrade, just cycling the rarity pool)

[nocturne cape]

that one legend where it gives you exceptional tongbao might give it to you? idk

but i think trading in plan is more consistent

comparing to farming for a random legend and win another die roll within

[stray dove]

i'll always take a peek at F1 WiW if a plan surfaces fast whenever I do my floor debuff hunting

good progress at least in relics

it's hilarious how much rarer alterforms feel now

while manuals are so commonly seen in shops

[agile hill]

does coupon just never ever drop outside of wonderland

from battle

[stray dove]

they're usually turmoil fuel

i know there's a coin

that makes statuegeists drop em

consistently

makes them tankier though

i remember some encounter fights that drop em

wait no

that might just be Duck Lord fights

not exactly normal fight

[faint rampart]

face off too i think?

[errant siren]

Yes.

[stray dove]

one of the potential perks of doing FO I guess

[errant siren]

There's also pot who wants your BaseHP

And it can give 2 Coupons at once

[stray dove]

just treat coupons like they're rarer than Plans (IS5)

[errant siren]

If you fed it enough

And it can be very juicy and repeatable.

[stray dove]

oh that pot

that pot though is an LP recreation

not consistent

although Nian and Shu aren't consistent either but they're the most common

[faint rampart]

also the relic which gives coupons on adding risk coins

[stray dove]

ehhhh

[errant siren]

Yep

That one exists

[onyx gust]

Is Coin Geist a scam

[stray dove]

well

it's not exactly a better whiteflower

it's not this

and thus not fucking worth it

this is the only time a whiteflower is worth the gamble

since it gives DP discount

[muted tundra]

if you somehow have a spare voucher + squad slot for a robot

it's not awful

[stray dove]

i am not risking my openers to be more expensive

it's important that my openers are the same DP or lower (due to relics)

[muted tundra]

yeag, personal preference hehe

it also

neuters FRDs

another reason not to take it

too many requiremenets for coin geists to be good

[stray dove]

as someone who sometimes needs DP printing

i do not want my DP printers getting the most expensive DP costs

[muted tundra]

it's fine for flags

agents absolutely not ofc

[stray dove]

I don't even use Myrtle unless she's E2

even then not as commonly

unless it's really a long fight

or it's Ed3 routing and I need Myrtle to S2 someone I want to keep alive

[muted tundra]

yea

the problem is too

you're often getting coin geists offered on f2

you can't even make an educated choice

it completely locks you out of ever drafting an agent, or stacking high DP ops

it's a scam

[stray dove]

And I thought IS mechanics would've peaked with Foldartals

I really like all the mechanics in IS6

I want them to keep the new WiW

if not, why not make the WiW format be the new way to explore floors in IS7 onwards

Raidian may be so attached to this IS due to how strong she is in it

but i find it more acceptable than IS5's Lamp

[muted tundra]

[dire galleon]

i'm going back to old content to finish the records for Expeditioner's Joklumarkar

even though I absolutely love IS to bits and bits, i remember rage quitting this IS and never finishing it compared to the others, and i was wondering am I the only one that struggles with this theme in particular? or is it genuinely just harder?
was wondering if i was alone in that

[stray dove]

this....this is the only unfinished business I have with old ISs

I still don't have Partial Cecity

[split void]

What is this? Guys

[stray dove]

Ed3

i think it was obvious from the....relic's effect

[split void]

[stray dove]

that it's an ending route

imagine taking a relic that's pure debuff and with instructions

[split void]

Probably another time

[stray dove]

all i can say is

high chance it will hand your ass to you if you do Ed3 blind

[agile hill]

rolled -45% hp and cleared ed 2 like nothing, and can't do shit on ed 3

[stray dove]

i am glad that they're doing different route debuffs this time

and not just the usual stat stick increases (Quilon I fucking see you...)

it already feels challenging them giving ed3 halved starting SP and poison DoT enough to kill ops without any healing aid

[proven dagger]

it's technology time

[agile hill]

guy wtf

[stray dove]

it's been such a fucking long time since I've seen Ji shop sell coin-only

[desert brook]

i saw it once but like most of the coins were shit lmao

[rapid pulsar]

I thought that was common

[stray dove]

the usual shit is the 2 coupons and relics

or 2 vouchers and relics

or maybe 2 coins and relics

[ivory badge]

Reed alter really helps a lot

[stray dove]

Reedic isn't the best opener in IS4 anymore

but she sure helps a lot in Samivilinn boss fight to clear the ice

[ivory badge]

Ah I've just played IS4 to difficulty 10-11 but I didn't find it particularly harder than the other IS?

IS3 was definitely more annoying

[dire galleon]

somehow IS3 was my favourite

[faint rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345312730923663381/1440505885771436135/IMG_2479.gif

[ivory badge]

I'm really liking IS6

Almost maxed out Raidian just need her last module

[dire galleon]

hmmm, i guess ill look up the meta units to start with, i have taxes (texas alt) and can cheese a lot of the harder stages but i tend to struggle a lot in the first two floors, once im on floor 3 im usually smooth sailing
but even then im still struggling with it more compared to other IS themes

[ivory badge]

I've beaten 3 of the IS4 endings and I didn't have many meta units

I've only been playing for just under 1 year now but Reed alter carried me pretty well in IS4

[gaunt bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345247411534041173/1458600726023635004/leak40hei.gif

[ivory badge]

I'm sure if you've got stronger stuff it shouldn't be too bad

[dire galleon]

IS6 is awesome, I love everything about it
the colours and vibes of it are gorgeous too

[sinful sparrow]

shut up kiwi

[gaunt bay]

nop

[sinful sparrow]

Imagine posting -40 instead of -108

🥱

[gaunt bay]

variety is the spice of life

[lost anchor]

is6 is nice. very player friendly

[dire galleon]

oh god this gives me pain

[gaunt bay]

i post enough -108s

its time to mix it up

[lost anchor]

is3 is just the game telling you to fuck yourself

[dire galleon]

thats the mizuki one?

idk why i vibed with that one so much, its my favourite

[faint rampart]

huh how

cuz raidian or something?

wait nvm

i misread

[dire galleon]

feels like most stages in IS6 were built explicitly for raidian to be able to solo

[ivory badge]

I feel like players just have a lot more control I think

Or agency

[agile hill]

wait can you even have 2 of the same coin

[dire galleon]

the shops give so many options for relics and so many refreshes too
it helps a lot

do you think they'll ever bring ceobe's IS back again, i miss it

[ivory badge]

Pathfinder nodes just let you get so many ops lol

[dire galleon]

i kinda want to play IS1 again

[dire galleon]

yessss

[ivory badge]

I love free cost 5 stars

[dire galleon]

i love that you can save the recruitment vouchers too

[ivory badge]

I love the coin that gives auto skill activation to everything

It's so nice with alchemists

[dire galleon]

it should be a flower coin cause nothing about that coin is a risk, just pure based

[sinful sparrow]

IS2 exists, go play it

literally reskinned IS1

same shit

[dire galleon]

talking about the actual theme with ceobe

[ivory badge]

5k attack Tin Man and ThornStar denying half the map

[dire galleon]

and the story about ceobe taking mushrooms

[nocturne cape]

@sinful sparrow you can skip tongbao tossing animation now

[ivory badge]

I think they mean some of the IS1 stages are in IS2 I guess but it would be nice to get a reworked version of IS1 that keeps the theme

[dire galleon]

ahhh yeah, i dont know if there's any mechanical differences between the two, i do know they fixed a few of the issues between IS1's experimental run and the actual launch of the IS mode

but idk, to me i like the aesthetics of things and the story, so i would love to see IS1 brought back

id also love to play IS1 exactly as it was launched back then, just to reminisce about how far its come

was my fave mode from day 1

[sinful sparrow]

yeah i just noticed that

so good

🧎‍♂️

[nocturne cape]

what are you playing rn

🙂

[gaunt bay]

on cn?

[nocturne cape]

ya

[gaunt bay]

5.5 months

5.5 more months of the animation playing

[vagrant burrow]

did they just add skipping tongbao as a hotfix or smth?

or is it some tech

[nocturne cape]

well

they also preloaded some qol before dlc1

so i assume this is common practice from now

[vagrant burrow]

[crimson nest]

Dlc2 on 24th

[cold fjord]

Only took 5000 year

[gaunt bay]

@nocturne cape is the new operator good

[nocturne cape]

i didnt pull

[stray dove]

IS2 exists. But yeah it's not easy to try to re-fight "IS1 ending bosses"

since IS3 WiWs aren't even guaranteed

[gaunt bay]

whats the word on the streets

[nocturne cape]

Dear kiwi

It has been 3 hours

Since launch

[stray dove]

also i think we know by now

that an operator will be broken if it looks broken on paper

[vagrant burrow]

my demons are telling me.... shes...... okay

[stray dove]

anything that's not it will be acceptable but not meta-defining

[nocturne cape]

Idk

SA alter didnt strike me as a broken op initially

I think hes pretty damn good now

[raw hemlock]

decided I'd try and do a little bit of is2 since I have more of an idea of how to do these now, and despite my current squad only being 6 ops (myrtle, orchid, podenco, hibiscus, thorns, and a temp bison) I've gotten to f3's boss

[cold fjord]

actually

@nocturne cape what about bosky combats

[lost anchor]

thorns can clear most of IS2 with reserves

[nocturne cape]

Idk

What about it

Im not playing

[cold fjord]

like

i still feel they are bugged after dlc

[faint rampart]

furrilo i wish you were alive to see this

[nocturne cape]

As in

[cold fjord]

since the fact there is less combats was never explained

[nocturne cape]

Less turmoils still?

[cold fjord]

ya

[nocturne cape]

If anything i feel like its polarized

I either get 3-4 or like 7 of them

But i dont see cn talking about it

[cold fjord]

yeah which is weird

[nocturne cape]

So could just be our small ass sample size

Anyway

Dlc2 is around the corner

[cold fjord]

Surely you wont need to ban 50 ops so that its hard

[muted skiff]

wtfart

[raw hemlock]

whoaaaaaaaaaaa

[tribal furnace]

God loot

Gg for the free win

[stray dove]

how do you even get that much ingots in a fight?

not even the statuegeist hallway provided that much ingots

kazimierz tickets?

[agile hill]

for ed 3, when you are lacking dps to one cycle the wallbreaker, do you know what you should do

also when you charge up the op for dps, they already lost good amount of hp

[faint rampart]

[tribal furnace]

Holy first shop

Chalice and First Word

[agile hill]

get yanese i think

[gaunt bay]

what a bunchof highrollers

[faint rampart]

time to change your name

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-congratulations-congrats-congratulation-gif-7584948739201594065

[tribal furnace]

Can't remember what it does

[tribal furnace]

HIGHROLLER MY ASS, FIRST TOSS WAS THIS SHIT

[errant siren]

Well, congrats with more shittier toss.

[faint rampart]

Ammo something something iirc

[raw hemlock]

Welp, lost on that level with all the charging lance guys. Not too upset about it, I gotta sleep anyways. Better run than previous flops on is2 at least

Even had a few battles during a 1-HP moment that I cleared perfectly, so I'll take that

[vagrant burrow]

does leizi raidian purestream f1 shop rob change at d15? i feel stupid for fucking it up

[sacred niche]

is there any way to get chalice consistently in is6?

smthing like is5?

[stray dove]

dude

Lamp will never happen again and I hope it continues that way

it removes the very reason why we play roguelites

[rapid pulsar]

which is

[stray dove]

randomizing progression

[rapid pulsar]

oh

[tribal furnace]

Lamp managed to make of IS5 one of the most boring and streamlined game mode of the game

[split void]

I just go through the Butterfly node. But I have to also make its HP down by half to unlock the Item right ?

[stray dove]

yes

[muted skiff]

exu : this , i like

[small fable]

[split void]

Although the bosky node was right before the boss , when in there I still have 2 candles left after found the Butterfly

[stray dove]

there's strategies of "losing" Turmoils on purpose

just to keep attacking foot

as long as you have candles to burn

[split void]

What is that for ?

[stray dove]

in case you can't beat the foot below 50% and you're near Prophecy

[split void]

Oh. Right now I am in D8

Not so hard tho

Defeated the foot here

The point is. Idk that I have to do that

[errant siren]

You should do that before Prophecy

It's joever.

🥹

[faint rampart]

what are your placements

[faint rampart]

dont think so
but you might be able to get that flower coin which gives aspd

i think it was like getting all flower coins to force it or something, furrilo mentioned it idk

[split void]

Is this end 3 ?

[stray dove]

yes

might as well do it in D10

just so you don't need to do it twice

[split void]

😭

[carmine token]

What do u think of the new OP in cn

[split void]

Skip

Do we have a way to get rid of this ?

[stray dove]

hahahhaa

no

it's not Epoch or Hallucinations

it's as permanent as Paradigms

and unlike Paradigms, we can't weaken or undo it

you can't ignore furniture/talisman solutions.

you either brute force it out

or solve it

[split void]

Yea Vanguard

[carmine token]

No

[split void]

I wish whoever designed this would step in 💩 every day

[stray dove]

it's more like you can't take the heat

although i do see the issues if you just want to casually play it

but you still want to complete Raidian

still, I'd really like this to be the potential middle ground

that casuals don't need to fear harder difficulties

it just needs them to be less versatile with recruitments and have more map knowledge

[supple mountain]

mf so it was the hour that made me fail yesterday

i thought i picked up a bad collectible

[stray dove]

you guys really don't check floor debuffs huh

[oak crane]

fps drop equallen of my braincell drop after using Exu s2

[stray dove]

some of them really need you to adapt

[split void]

The 1st time I got this was on spec

[supple mountain]

we ball

[split void]

Make my exu2 almost useless

[oak crane]

Amiya exploded

[split void]

Now I have a Vanguard

[stray dove]

....ngl

that's a reason why Surfer/Canta S1 doesn't have this issue, right?

they attack talisman, they print

[split void]

[stray dove]

Talisman don't block passive skills, right?

[split void]

Oh that is cool

[stray dove]

i'm not saying it

i need confirmation

[split void]

Gonna get canta

[stray dove]

You'd rather get Surfer

if you want the more optimal option

[split void]

I don't have her

[stray dove]

ouch

[split void]

Also I only m3 skill 2 canta

[stray dove]

well

[split void]

[stray dove]

Canta/Surfer's better skill is S1

you drop, they attack, they print, you retreat them once skill's off

[oak crane]

if you have atsp relics they're basically better than myrtle

[split void]

Oh I have her but

[stray dove]

is this confirmation that them having immediate talismans don't block passive skills from taking effect?

[split void]

Just realise I don't have any agent that type off passive skill

[oak crane]

idk if instant skill activation when deploy counter that never tried before because the debuff too hedious i just reset my run

[split void]

Best choice right now is canta skill lv7

Ines skill 3......... Also lv7

[oak crane]

Surfer herself can ignore that so shes work fine like wine

same for cantabile

[stray dove]

@nocturne cape can you confirm?

[sinful sparrow]

It doesn’t

It’s why Talisman epoch on Vanguards is just a buff

They will always have a target to generate DP

[stray dove]

i mean

that is specifically only applicable to Canta/Surfer

not everyone has their S1 kits

but technically, yeah, sweatlords would always recommend those 2

over any other VG recruit

[oak crane]

Ines 💔

[sinful sparrow]

although this specifically applies to “passive” on deploy skills

instant activation via sp relics are still locked

i dont remember but you can probably proc before talisman starts silencing you, but timing might be tight

i do not plan to and will not test this theory out

so someone with that epoch should do it for science

[stray dove]

makes sense

initial SP relics + Dream Curios would still count as trying to activate non-passive skills

and makes sense that instant talismans would block that attempt

[split void]

Ines skill 3 can do the same ?

[oak crane]

i have some theory

[stray dove]

Ines S3 indeed can bypass talisman issues if your only preferences on her is her print during the dash

[oak crane]

Skill auto activation debuff VS talisman debuff